[00:10] <ScottL> troy_s, you said "that's too bad" was that because I was leaving?
[00:10] <troy_s> ScottL: No it was related to you finding something I said interesting.
[00:11] <troy_s> ScottL: I have a hunch that the -rt might be more responsive to tablet work. Just a hunch though. No real way to do a qualitative test.
[00:11] <ScottL> i wonder how many people have and use the wacom tablet thingie
[00:12] <troy_s> ScottL: In Linux? Very few. Why would you?
[00:12] <troy_s> ScottL: Chicken Egg theory.
[00:13] <troy_s> ScottL: The general outlook is pretty crappy, the software is pretty much crippled all to piss. The only real use would be for very expensive software that happens to run on linux.
[00:13] <troy_s> ScottL: Of that, there is very little that would be traditional artist based.
[00:13] <troy_s> ScottL: So I'm thinking it isn't something that is encountered or even thought about.
[00:14] <ScottL> i know very little about the wacom stuff, cory had mentioned it so I thought it might be more pervasive than it apparently is
[00:14] <troy_s> ScottL: Well I guess you could argue that it is as viable as any other input device.
[00:14] <troy_s> ScottL: In practical terms, there aren't enough dogfooders out there that actually stick with the crap we have.
[00:14] <troy_s> ScottL: So much of it evolves at glacial paces.
[00:18] <troy_s> ScottL: Still doesn't make the thought moot however. _if_ there is a place where -rt would impact illustration / painting, I'd think it was important.
[00:29] <ScottL> well, i'm a little selfish, i want -rt, -lowlatency or -preempt for my audio ;P
[00:43] <troy_s> ScottL: I'd be interested in figuring out a way to test things.
[00:43] <troy_s> ScottL: If you can get latency numbers on audio, I'd think there were ways to test latency on input devices.
[00:45] <ScottL> troy_s, I think abogani has been aggregating test numbers on the kernels
[00:46] <ScottL> i would not be available to devote time to test until the end of February
[00:46] <ScottL> February is the RPM Challenge - http://www.rpmchallenge.com/
[00:47] <ScottL> after which I would really interested in testing (and I can document how methodologies)
[00:59] <ScottL> *me wonders how he passed English when he rereads what he types on IRC
[00:59]  * ScottL fails at being l33t IRC user again!
[01:09]  * TheMuso can't stand leet speak anyway.
[07:51] <dholbach> hiya
[08:13] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[08:14] <dholbach> hiya TheMuso
[08:14]  * dholbach 's very happy with xwax and the audio4dj :)
[08:14] <dholbach> although I had to upgrade it to 0.7-beta2 myself
[08:14] <TheMuso> ah ok
[08:15] <dholbach> stochastic_: if we don't want to upgrade to a beta version now (which I totally understand), I suggest we at least fix it not to depend on a non-existing font! :)
[12:37] <ScottL> jonas with the Debian Multimedia team has built hydrogen-0.9.4, i'll try to get a sync request for it today but if anyone wants to do it please go ahead as I will not get to it for hours yet
[17:46] <abogani> persia: Are you round ?
[17:47] <persia> Yes, although I'm rushing madly to be able to go to bed :)  What's up?
[17:48] <abogani> persia: No urgent: go to sleep. (~2.45). :-)
[17:48] <abogani> Good night
[17:50] <persia> abogani: No, what's up?
[17:50]  * persia would rather know the issue now, even if it can't be dealt with now
[17:51] <abogani> persia: Ok :-) I would want ask you to send the email to Kernel team (recall you offer yourself as volunteer?).
[17:52] <persia> Oh right.  Thanks for the reminder.  I'll put that on the list for the morning.
[17:52] <abogani> persia: Please before chatting with me!
[17:53] <abogani> I only request you to change body of that message.
[17:53] <persia> OK.  What do you want?
[17:53] <persia> The main point I was going to make was about 32-bit support.
[17:54] <abogani> persia: Sorry my mistake. That is the point.
[17:54] <abogani> So send it when you can. Thanks
[17:55] <persia> It seemed like there was a good bit of other discussion happening on the other points (although I'll admit to having fallen behind).
[17:56] <abogani> persia: I have exactly the opposite feel.
[17:56] <persia> How do you mean?
[17:57] <abogani> persia: No one report tests results neither on -lowlatency nor -preempt.
[17:57] <abogani> No one can tell if we have a lot i386 users.
[17:58] <persia> Ah, we're talking about different things :)
[17:58] <persia> I think that there was plenty of *theoretical* discussion on the various bits.
[17:58] <persia> I agree that there was no testing.
[18:00] <abogani> Seems to me a lot complicated.
[18:04] <persia> Sorry.  That's how I think :)
[18:05] <persia> Anyway, 29 hours is a plenty long day :)
[18:05] <abogani> Yes :)
[19:51] <ScottL_> fabrice_sp: ping
[19:53] <fabrice_sp> Hey ScottL 
[19:53] <fabrice_sp> pong
[19:54] <ScottL_> fabrice_sp: is it too late to get zynjacku looked at in REVU again before the feature freeze?
[19:54] <ScottL_> i've addressed everything you mentioned except i'm having trouble getting debhelper tiny rules to work
[19:55] <fabrice_sp> if you are able to find 2 sponsors, it would be ok ;-)
[19:55] <fabrice_sp> I'll check now
[19:56] <fabrice_sp> hmm, I don't see any new upload in REVU
[19:57] <ScottL_> i haven't uploaded again, i was trying to get the rules file taken care of but haven't gotten it to work yet
[19:57] <fabrice_sp> np: FF is on the 18th, I think
[19:57] <fabrice_sp> so 2 days more
[19:57] <ScottL_> i have one more idea to try to get it to work, if I can't get it to work do you think it would be okay to use the more verbose, older rules file?
[19:58] <ScottL_> fabrice_sp: ^^^
[19:59] <fabrice_sp> the easier one would be easier to maintain, but I'm sure you'll volunteer to maintain the 'complex' one :-P
[20:00] <ScottL_> yes, i would...i would actually feel compelled since I was the packager
[20:02] <fabrice_sp> keep trying with dh7 (it should definitively work with it)
[20:04] <ScottL_> it should but i think it's something about the ./configure that messes it up (it builds in ppa and installs but can't run, even from terminal), i've been working with persia a bit using override_dh_auto_configure
[20:05] <ScottL_> but again, when I've used dh7 it builds but after installing it will not run
[20:05] <fabrice_sp> strange
[20:05] <fabrice_sp> ok, then: come back to the old style rules, deleting the comments
[20:06] <fabrice_sp> it may be some missing variables
[20:07] <ScottL_> comments were deleted on my local copy...I'll post to REVU when I get home tonight
[20:07] <fabrice_sp> ok
[20:07] <ScottL_> oh, and many, many thanks for working with me on this, you've been a big help and I've learned gads about it
[20:08] <fabrice_sp> yw ;-) it only ahs been 6 month since I am a MOTU, and also learned a lot ;-)
[20:08] <ScottL_> i'd like to work up to being a MOTU eventually, but that's a while from now me thinks :P
[20:09] <fabrice_sp> the key point is not focusing on one thing, but more being a 'generalist' :-)
[20:10] <fabrice_sp> since my first contribution to Ubuntu, it has been one year and a half to become a MOTU, so it's a long path :-)
[20:13] <ScottL_> I think i've been working with the studio developers for a few months and was never involved with building or packaging before, so I feel good with my progress so far
[20:13] <ScottL_> but I also look forward to continuing acquiring knowledge and learning new things and getting lots more packages into studio
[20:14] <ScottL_> so i'm not in a rush to be a motu but I can see practical benefits to me and the studio developers if i did
[20:14] <fabrice_sp> not only new packages: also quality of existing packages is important :-)
[20:15] <ScottL_> you mean the packaging or the intrinsic quality of the app itself?
[20:16] <fabrice_sp> I mean not only package new apps, but also upgrade or fix the existing one
[20:17] <ScottL_> yes, i understand
[20:20] <ScottL_> although i haven't worked on bug triage at this point since I don't have much experience, rather I've tried packaging where I can do it in a void (i.e. no one waiting or depending on me)
[20:20] <ScottL_> but after talking with persia lately I think that I might start also
[20:22] <fabrice_sp> good