| jono | kenvandine, around? | 01:02 |
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| jono | kenvandine, can you ping me when back? | 01:16 |
| kenvandine | jono, ping | 02:17 |
| jono | mind coming over to #ubuntu-app-devel for two mins? | 02:18 |
| kenvandine | sure | 02:19 |
| kenvandine | jono, jcastro g-p-m with app indicator patch uploaded | 02:22 |
| jono | kenvandine, nice! | 02:23 |
| jono | kenvandine, still here? | 02:49 |
| kenvandine | hey jono | 02:57 |
| jono | kenvandine, any idea why my indicator applet is not loading, and when I try to type it into a shell to run it doesnt autocomplete | 02:58 |
| jono | indicator-applet: command not found | 02:58 |
| jono | it is installed | 02:58 |
| kenvandine | it is in /usr/lib | 02:58 |
| jono | I did install indicator-sound and it kept trying restart the i-a so I uninstalled it | 02:58 |
| kenvandine | /usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet | 02:59 |
| jono | when I run that or restart my session it doesnt show | 02:59 |
| kenvandine | you don't have a "reload applet" dialog hidden somewhere? | 03:00 |
| jono | nope | 03:00 |
| jono | it just didnt start it | 03:00 |
| kenvandine | not sure... lets debug tomorrow or harass ted :) | 03:01 |
| * kenvandine wants to land some of these docs :) | 03:01 | |
| kenvandine | sorry | 03:01 |
| jono | no worries, I am away tomorrow, but I will play with it | 03:01 |
| kenvandine | cool | 03:09 |
| Nafai | I found another application I Might want to convert to application indicators...but it's not even in Ubuntu yet: http://kaizer.se/wiki/kupfer/ | 03:46 |
| funkyHat | I'm not sure if this is quite the right place to discuss this, but I had a thought re. the shutdown 60 countdown. It seems to me as though it would make sense to display a list of any applications that are inhibiting shutdown alongside the countdown, rather than waiting until the end. I think this would reduce the likelihood of someone cliking shutdown and coming back some time later to find the computer is still running | 14:34 |
| funkyHat | Sorry if this has been discussed already, I do follow the mailing list and hadn't noticed it come up before | 14:35 |
| vish | funkyHat: m_p_t would be the person to poke regarding this ^ | 14:53 |
| * funkyHat goes ahead and pokes mpt | 14:54 | |
| mpt | ooh | 14:54 |
| mpt | funkyHat, actually I'm just about to re-spec them without the countdown at all | 14:54 |
| funkyHat | Ah, ok | 14:55 |
| funkyHat | Is there still some kind of confirmation? | 14:56 |
| funkyHat | *will there still be | 14:56 |
| mpt | funkyHat, yes | 14:58 |
| funkyHat | mpt: would be nice if that was combined with the inhibiting apps list, I guess you've considered that ⡈) | 14:59 |
| mpt | funkyHat, I think the list of inhibiting apps shouldn't appear until after those applications have been given a chance to sort themselves out | 15:00 |
| mpt | funkyHat, currently I get the alert saying "A program is still running: gedit" *on top of* the Gedit alert saying "Save changes to document 'Untitled 1' before closing?" That's a bit bong. | 15:03 |
| funkyHat | mpt: do we need another inhibit state that says "I'm asking for user input *right now*" so those apps can be kept off the list? | 15:04 |
| mpt | funkyHat, I don't know the mechanics of the API. Probably it needs someone like me or djsiegel to write up a spec for how the interface should work, and then someone like tedg to work out how that maps to what Gnome/XDG already has, and whether it needs anything new. | 15:05 |
| hyperair | aren't you supposed to see the existing interface before proposing a brand new one? | 15:06 |
| mpt | Sorry, by "interface" there I meant the human interface. I just saw it. | 15:06 |
| hyperair | ah i see | 15:06 |
| funkyHat | mpt: sounds good. I think it could be neater if the confirmation and inhibit windows were combined. perhaps we could have a morphing dialog which expanded to include the list of non-responsive apps after some delay/they didn't respond | 15:09 |
| mpt | funkyHat, maybe, but what would it look like during the delay? | 15:13 |
| mpt | it's an intriguing idea | 15:13 |
| funkyHat | mpt: you've got me there... I was thinking it would be the initial confirmation dialog with "shut down" and "cancel" buttons (or similar), morphing into a window listing inhibiting apps, still with "shut down" and "cancel" but perhaps with "cancel" focussed. But I've basically turned it back into a countdown window, just without a visible countdown... | 15:16 |
| funkyHat | Oh wait no I haven't | 15:16 |
| funkyHat | ⢁) | 15:17 |
| * hyperair shivers. that smiley is scary | 15:19 | |
| Nafai | Good morning, a little late start this morning, sorry. | 16:03 |
| seb128 | hey Nafai | 16:03 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 16:03 |
| Nafai | Not bad, just fighting some allergies this morning. Other than that, well. Ready to tackle code today :) | 16:03 |
| Nafai | You? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | good thanks | 16:04 |
| seb128 | Nafai, did you have a chance to look at updating the rhythmbox change to git? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | I'm sorted of blocking on that to update rhythmbox in lucid | 16:04 |
| seb128 | and feature freeze is today for new versions | 16:04 |
| Nafai | I haven't yet, been busy with my other assignments, sorry. :( | 16:04 |
| seb128 | that's ok | 16:04 |
| seb128 | let me talk to jcastro or jono when they will be around to see if that can be bumped on your todolist | 16:05 |
| Nafai | thanks | 16:09 |
| djsiegel | DanRabbit: hey | 16:47 |
| djsiegel | DanRabbit: did you see my suggestion about status icons? | 16:47 |
| djsiegel | DanRabbit: who did those btw? | 16:47 |
| seb128 | hey jcastro | 17:09 |
| jcastro | hi | 17:10 |
| jcastro | bah no wonder I wasn't getting any responses | 17:10 |
| seb128 | weird irc split | 17:10 |
| seb128 | usually you don't see people on the other side of the split | 17:11 |
| seb128 | well we didn't see you there | 17:11 |
| jcastro | I saw you, odd | 17:11 |
| jcastro | anyway, what can I do for you? | 17:11 |
| seb128 | yeah, pitti had the same issues hours ago | 17:11 |
| jcastro | Nafai, anything blocking today I can help with | 17:12 |
| seb128 | jcastro, can you get "updated rhythmbox change to git version" priority bumped for Nafai? | 17:12 |
| seb128 | jcastro, it's blocking me to update rhythmbox in lucid | 17:12 |
| seb128 | I would like to get a new snapshot in before feature freeze | 17:12 |
| seb128 | upstream is going to roll a new tarball this weekend | 17:12 |
| jcastro | he's trying to finish off gnome-bluetooth, brasero, AND vino since then. | 17:13 |
| jcastro | er, before feature freeze | 17:13 |
| seb128 | hum ok | 17:13 |
| seb128 | I'm pondering just dropping the indicator from rhythmbox for now | 17:13 |
| seb128 | jcastro, thanks | 17:13 |
| jcastro | the rb patch was originally cody's but he has no time to update it | 17:14 |
| seb128 | right | 17:14 |
| jcastro | jpetersen has finished main mostly and is moving on to the opportunity targets, perhaps he can update it | 17:14 |
| seb128 | and the patch is not trivial | 17:14 |
| jcastro | davidbarth, I suppose bratche's workload is pretty much filled for this week? | 17:15 |
| jcastro | seb128, I would prefer getting upstream the testing they need over app-indicators and have us revisit it after FF. | 17:16 |
| seb128 | jcastro, well I need to get rhythmbox updated in lucid | 17:16 |
| seb128 | and I don't have a day to spend on updating that change | 17:17 |
| jcastro | I'm pondering just dropping the indicator from rhythmbox for now <-- I agree | 17:17 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 17:17 |
| jcastro | jono is on vacation for the rest of the week, so depending on what Nafai's workload is when he's around I will reprioritize one of them | 17:18 |
| seb128 | yeah, no problem | 17:20 |
| seb128 | thanks jcastro | 17:20 |
| seb128 | feature freeze is a busy time for everybody ;-) | 17:21 |
| jcastro | I just hope we can get the bugs worked out for bluetooth and co. | 17:21 |
| jcastro | tedg, can you make yourself available when Nafai starts so we can unblock his bugs? | 17:22 |
| tedg | jcastro: No, not really. FF effectively today. | 17:22 |
| jcastro | we can't fix bugs after FF? | 17:23 |
| jcastro | :p | 17:23 |
| tedg | jcastro: Heh, no apparently the goal is to ignore bugs before FF as they take away from features you can't develop after. | 17:25 |
| jcastro | don't worry ted, I have faith that you will fix his problems with elegance and good character | 17:26 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, I've just sent you guys a mail | 17:41 |
| vish | djsiegel: that was me [icons] | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | vish: ok | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | vish: I just had some suggestions about shape | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | also, now that you;re using color, there's not need for superimposed shapes | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | the arrow is extremely busy in the empathy buddy lisr | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | list* | 17:44 |
| djsiegel | *away icon arrow | 17:45 |
| vish | djsiegel: the color icons are for use in the app , the memenu need to be fixed to use the monochrome icons.. | 17:45 |
| vish | djsiegel: the fallbacks aernt in place yet.. | 17:45 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, The bug caused by g-p-m seems to be in indicator-application or indicator-applet | 17:46 |
| jcastro | ah | 17:46 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, is there a bug? | 17:46 |
| jcastro | bug filed I mean | 17:46 |
| jpetersen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/523041 | 17:47 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 523041 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "gnome-power-manager crashed with signal 5 in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object() (affects: 26) (dups: 2)" [Critical,Fix released] | 17:47 |
| jcastro | tedg, can you take a look? | 17:47 |
| vish | Nafai: hi.. was the rhythmbox app indicator work done by you? | 17:47 |
| jpetersen | I get the same with gnome-settings-daemon when it is started too early in the session | 17:47 |
| jpetersen | so maybe it is raised when indicator-applet is not running yet or so | 17:49 |
| jcastro | vish, the original patch was by bratsche | 17:49 |
| vish | jcastro: the icons have been switched.. :( the app now starts[not-playing] with a playing icon instead of the not-playing icon | 17:50 |
| tedg | jcastro: jpetersen: That's going to take some investigation. But I'd be suspect of the (GList *)0x1 in the parameters to register_object. But that shouldn't be an application issue. | 17:50 |
| vish | jcastro: but after that the icons work correctly , its only during start , it has changed.. [with notification area , it used to use the not-playing icon] | 17:51 |
| jcastro | vish, seb is going to upload a git snapshot of rb without the app indicator patch until we update it | 17:51 |
| vish | cool | 17:52 |
| jcastro | tedg, can you investigate? We need to get jpetersen unblocked | 17:53 |
| seb128 | vish, did you upgrade today? I fixed that icon issue this morning I think | 17:53 |
| tedg | jcastro: Not really. Sorry. | 17:53 |
| jcastro | tedg, when will you have time? | 17:53 |
| tedg | jcastro: Probably tomorrow afternoon after releases are out. | 17:54 |
| jcastro | ok, I will hold you to that | 17:54 |
| vish | seb128: oh.. seems i have missed that update.. nice there already was a bug for that :) | 17:55 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, so until he can look at that then update the rb patch please. | 17:55 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 17:56 |
| Nafai | I'm back | 17:59 |
| jcastro | Nafai, I've just sent you all a mail | 18:03 |
| Nafai | checking | 18:03 |
| Nafai | jcastro, Ok, sounds good. I'll be able to make progress today without major help (at least as I see it right now) | 18:04 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 18:04 |
| jcastro | ping early and often if you have any problems | 18:04 |
| Nafai | definitely | 18:06 |
| Nafai | So my guess is ted and others are too busy with their own FF stuff to help me with my gnome bluetooth bugs today at least | 18:07 |
| seb128 | yes | 18:07 |
| seb128 | don't expect anybody from distro to have time before friday | 18:07 |
| seb128 | distro or dx | 18:08 |
| * Nafai nods | 18:08 | |
| Nafai | I hope it isn't too much of a problem that I didn't meet FF for some of these | 18:08 |
| jcastro | if people got in trouble for not meeting FF we'd all be homeless. | 18:09 |
| jcastro | Nafai, let's just keep grinding at it, everyone is in the same boat so at least it's shared pain. :D | 18:10 |
| Nafai | :) | 18:10 |
| vish | seb128: awesome , its fixed by the update :) | 18:10 |
| Nafai | yay for comiseration (is that a word?) | 18:10 |
| seb128 | vish, good | 18:11 |
| vish | hehe , i was more worried i'd get bugs in humanity for doing the icon like that ;p | 18:11 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, if you can get me a best-guess estimate of how much work it would take to update the rb patch that would be great. | 18:12 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, here's the bug btw: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/498588 | 18:12 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 498588 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox's "Status Icon" plug-in is broken. (affects: 3)" [Medium,Fix released] | 18:12 |
| Nafai | jcastro: w00 for being appointed to replace lucasr on the Gnome board! :) http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2010/02/17/resigning-from-the-board/ | 18:16 |
| qense | jcastro: !!! Yay! Congratulations on your appointment! I didn't you were selected. | 18:18 |
| Nafai | qense, well, lucasr appointed him :) | 18:18 |
| qense | *I didn't know | 18:19 |
| seb128 | Nafai, not really, he was rather next on the previous election list | 18:20 |
| Nafai | oh | 18:20 |
| Nafai | cool | 18:20 |
| Nafai | either way, it's awesome if he does join | 18:20 |
| jcastro | thanks guys! | 18:22 |
| jcastro | qense, I've left some comments on your banshee patch bug | 18:25 |
| qense | jcastro: I say them, I'm now working on the crash. | 18:26 |
| qense | jcastro: Did your installation also crashes everytime you pressed Play, Next or Previous in the tray menu? | 18:26 |
| jcastro | nope | 18:27 |
| qense | aww | 18:27 |
| jcastro | just the one time actually, I've been using it since then | 18:27 |
| qense | great | 18:27 |
| qense | jcastro: that's really weird | 18:27 |
| qense | jcastro: so no crash notices after the first? | 18:28 |
| jcastro | yeah, if I turn notifications back on | 18:28 |
| qense | ok | 18:28 |
| jcastro | qense, IMO there shouldn't even be a checkbox for notifications there, it should just do it like rhythmbox does | 18:30 |
| qense | jcastro: which is? | 18:30 |
| jcastro | upstream currently has this custom odd popup thing | 18:30 |
| jcastro | qense, it should just fire off a notify-osd thing | 18:31 |
| qense | jcastro: I thought that it was already using Notify OSD on Ubuntu. Or am I wrong? | 18:32 |
| jcastro | yeah but that seems to be currently broken | 18:32 |
| qense | ah | 18:32 |
| Nafai | Question. In Vino, there are several calls like this: screen = gtk_status_icon_get_screen (GTK_STATUS_ICON (indicator)); where screen is a GdkScreen object. Is there something similar and appropriate I can do for app indicators? | 18:43 |
| Nafai | This looks to be an important call | 18:43 |
| qense | jcastro: the "show notifications" toggle does appear to be the toggle for using Notify OSD or showing nothing with the default Banshee from the repositories. | 18:45 |
| C10uD | hi | 18:48 |
| C10uD | [19:45] <C10uD> i wanted to add appindicator support to my app, i've seen the examples and it's real easy, thanks for the flawless job | 18:49 |
| C10uD | [19:45] <C10uD> however i have two issues i currently can't sort out: | 18:49 |
| C10uD | [19:46] <C10uD> i don't know how to/if i can set "my" icons (as gtk pixbufs or paths) | 18:49 |
| C10uD | [19:46] <C10uD> i don't know how to/if i can "hotplug" items in my indicator's gtk menu | 18:49 |
| C10uD | tia | 18:49 |
| Nafai | C10uD: On the icons issue, app indicators load things from the icon path. | 18:49 |
| Nafai | Do you have a standard place your app installs icons? | 18:49 |
| Nafai | If so, the easiest thing to do is to replace your call of app_indicator_new with app_indicator_path | 18:49 |
| Nafai | Here's the prototype: | 18:50 |
| Nafai | AppIndicator *app_indicator_new_with_path (const gchar *id, | 18:50 |
| Nafai | const gchar *icon_name, | 18:50 |
| Nafai | AppIndicatorCategory category, | 18:50 |
| Nafai | const gchar *icon_path); | 18:50 |
| C10uD | is that available in the python bindings? | 18:50 |
| Nafai | So that last parameter is the path where your icons may be | 18:50 |
| Nafai | and then you just refer to the icon name, i.e., the part of the name without the extension | 18:50 |
| Nafai | Let me double check, I've mostly been using the C api | 18:51 |
| C10uD | ok | 18:51 |
| Nafai | hrm, I'm not sure, let me try something | 18:53 |
| Nafai | I don't know, since I haven't used them, and it's not obvious to me looking at the classes in the interpreter | 18:55 |
| C10uD | np | 18:55 |
| Nafai | kenvandine: I think you are familiar with the Python bindings, could you give a little guidance? | 18:55 |
| qense | C10uD: If I'm correct there is no Python equivalent for that function, but let me have a look. | 18:58 |
| C10uD | ok, what about the other "issue"? | 18:58 |
| Nafai | So you may have to manually add your icon directory to the path | 18:58 |
| Nafai | So you want to update your menu after you have set it? | 18:58 |
| C10uD | yep, it's an im, i add some stuff after login, and i allow plugin to plug their own stuff | 18:59 |
| qense | C10uD: nope, no _with_path in Python. | 18:59 |
| C10uD | qense, ok thanks | 18:59 |
| Nafai | I've actually run into a bug with that one in the C API and I know they are going to look at it | 18:59 |
| qense | Nafai: that doesn't work when passing the icon to the indicator. | 18:59 |
| Nafai | qense, Oh, it doesn't? | 18:59 |
| qense | nope | 18:59 |
| qense | The applet looks the icon up using the name you gave it. | 18:59 |
| Nafai | I notice, however, when looking at the docstring for the class in Python, there is this property: | 18:59 |
| Nafai | icon-theme-path -> gchararray: An additional path for custom icons. | 19:00 |
| Nafai | An additional place to look for icon names that may be installed by the application. | 19:00 |
| qense | ah, where did you find that? | 19:00 |
| Nafai | Right, but don't you add the icon directory to your theme path and then pass the name? | 19:00 |
| Nafai | print appindicator.Indicator.__doc__ | 19:00 |
| qense | Nafai: that is what *app_indicator_new_with_path does, yes. | 19:00 |
| qense | C10uD: you could have a look at the "icon-theme-path" property of the appindicator object for the custom directory. | 19:01 |
| C10uD | wow, thanks for the finding, i'll make some tests | 19:01 |
| qense | thank you Nafai! I didn't know that one. ;) | 19:02 |
| Nafai | np :) | 19:02 |
| qense | Nafai: but you can't do things like appindicator.menu.add()? | 19:02 |
| C10uD | is the menu thing a known issue? | 19:02 |
| qense | C10uD: you could assign a new menu to the indicator iirc | 19:02 |
| C10uD | because currently, we're adding stuff to the gtk.menu directly | 19:02 |
| C10uD | you mean, readding the menu each time it gets modified | 19:03 |
| Nafai | C10uD, That is a known issue, I believe, as it is related to the behavior I'm seeing | 19:03 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, i will look at the rhythmbox patch right now | 19:03 |
| jcastro | thanks! | 19:03 |
| jcastro | C10uD, what app are you working on btw? | 19:03 |
| C10uD | emesene, the crappy im for your wlm needs :p | 19:03 |
| Nafai | qense: You wouldn't happen to know about the GdkScreen question I posted above, would you? | 19:05 |
| jcastro | C10uD, oh that's cool dude. | 19:05 |
| qense | Nafai: I guess it's just looking for the screen the systray is on. Aren't there other ways of getting to know that? I don't know one by heart though. | 19:06 |
| Nafai | Yeah, that's what I'm unsure of | 19:06 |
| C10uD | anyway thanks for the quick answers, i'll try your hints asap | 19:07 |
| qense | I can't help you with that unfortunately. | 19:07 |
| Nafai | np C10uD | 19:07 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, and gnome-settings-daemon is done as far as possible with current application-indicator (i added some bugs with required features for further polishing: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application) | 19:11 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, ok we'll have Ted check them out tomorrow as soon as he can | 19:12 |
| jcastro | C10uD, have you also looked at adding message-indicator support to emesene? It's the thing that keeps track of who has IMed you while you're away, etc. | 20:22 |
| Nafai | question | 20:30 |
| Nafai | I need help in figuring out how to test vino | 20:30 |
| Nafai | there is an auto-start option in the desktop file | 20:30 |
| Nafai | which then gets called when the box to turn on remote desktop is checked in the capplet | 20:30 |
| Nafai | is there a way to register this desktop file in my local directory? | 20:30 |
| qense | jcastro: I've stumbled across the bug you've reported. I think it is caused by the patch in GNOME Bugzilla #145278 | 20:30 |
| Nafai | or should I just try building the .deb and installing a deb of my changes? | 20:31 |
| jcastro | qense, yeah but that's a totem bug. Wouldn't it be a gstreamer problem? | 20:34 |
| qense | totem? | 20:34 |
| qense | jcastro: ah! | 20:35 |
| qense | pasted the wrong number | 20:35 |
| qense | meant GNOME Bugzilla #565453 | 20:35 |
| qense | the patch attached to that bug report isn't included in Ubuntu yet iirc | 20:36 |
| jcastro | qense, feel free to join us in #banshee, the guys are usually around | 20:36 |
| jcastro | qense, yeah, and I was pulling from git head | 20:36 |
| seb128 | Nafai, I don't understand your issue | 20:37 |
| Nafai | I figured out a solution | 20:39 |
| seb128 | just running the binary should work | 20:39 |
| seb128 | the server that is | 20:40 |
| Nafai | that didn't enable the icon | 20:42 |
| Nafai | but if I run it first and then go to preferences that works :) | 20:43 |
| seb128 | you need to change the preference to display it alltime | 20:43 |
| C10uD | jcastro, yes, but current codebase is so fucked up i'm not willing to add stuff, we'll see next versions :) i'm just trying to add appindicator in order to have a cleaner desktop, i hope in time for lucid | 20:45 |
| jcastro | heh | 20:45 |
| C10uD | btw guys i tried setting icon-theme-path and it's saying i must pass it to the constructor | 20:45 |
| C10uD | but, seeing the package i installed, it accepts only three args | 20:46 |
| C10uD | id, icon_name, app_type | 20:46 |
| C10uD | :( | 20:46 |
| Nafai | sounds like a problem with the Python bindings | 20:49 |
| Nafai | jcastro, Who's responsible for those? | 20:49 |
| * jcastro goes to see who touched it last | 20:49 | |
| jcastro | Nafai, either ted or ken | 20:52 |
| Nafai | that's what I thought | 20:52 |
| jcastro | Nafai, "whichever two are the busiest today" seems to be the answer to everything today, heh | 20:53 |
| Nafai | heh | 20:53 |
| Nafai | :) | 20:53 |
| C10uD | kenvandine, sorry if i ping you, can you take a look? ^ i'm using your ppa | 20:55 |
| kenvandine | C10uD, weird... has anytone looked at jockey to see if it is working? | 21:54 |
| GogglesGuy | notify-osd 0.9.25 doesn't seem to update the text of a notification when sending a new notification with an existing replace-id... | 23:12 |
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