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mtaylorhey lovely people...00:09
mtaylorhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/drizzle/build/+bug/44026400:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 440264 in drizzle "drizzled crashes on startup if dead dfe file exists in /tmp/" [Critical,Fix released]00:09
mtaylorhow do I remove it from being targetted to the build series?00:10
pooliehello00:10
pooliei think you cannot :-(00:10
poolieyou need to just mark it invalid00:10
mtaylorthat makes bunnies cry00:10
poolieand me too00:11
pooliethere is a bug for his00:11
pooliemtaylor: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/25360000:13
ubottuUbuntu bug 253600 in malone "No way to reject a nomination after it has been approved" [Low,Triaged]00:13
poolieput sad bunny ascii art on it :)00:13
mtaylorpoolie: done00:13
poolieheh00:15
poolieyou can also vote for it :)00:15
mtayloralso ... it would be great if there were a way to make a series an invalid target like you can for milestones00:19
poolieto mark the series as no longer active?00:20
pooliethere is a series status00:20
poolieit seems like if the series is eg obsolete you should not be able to target bugs to it00:20
mtaylorpoolie: it would seem that, wouldn't it?00:21
mtaylorpoolie: alas, that doesn't have that effect00:21
pooliehttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/43729700:22
ubottuUbuntu bug 437297 in malone "target to release gives a page of all series, without indication of 'active'" [High,Triaged]00:22
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lifelessleonardr: hi01:06
lifelessleonardr: are you up?01:06
leonardrlifeless: yeah, but not working anymore01:08
leonardrwhat's up?01:08
lifelessjust catching up on some bzr bugmail01:09
leonardrok01:09
lifelessjam has tested importing lplib at 500ms or so01:09
poolieheh, that's nothing :)01:09
lifelesswhich is more than bzr takes to start and complete status on many trees :)01:09
pooliehttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/522957 1250ms overhead to start sending a single request01:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 522957 in launchpadlib "please hold https connection open" [Undecided,New]01:10
lifelessI'm wondering if you will consider this a bug {it makes it really hard to consider using lplib for bzr}01:10
poolielifeless: it means we should be careful about when it's loaded but we probably want to do that anyhow01:10
lifelesspoolie: I am not convinced its safe to use at all at this point01:11
pooliecause of load time, or something else?01:11
lifelesspoolie: it can easily swamp our actual pull performance01:11
lifelesspoolie: load + https + round trips + needs a cache to work at all01:11
lifelessin contrast with e.g. AWS's apis which can be done with a single round trip safely over http (assuming you don't consider the submitted or returned data confidential)01:12
lifelesswe may be much better off extending the existing http XMLRPC server lp has for us01:13
wgrant+100000001:13
poolieah01:13
pooliei think using it for lp: urls would be very poor01:13
leonardrlifeless: take a look at bug 52192701:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 521927 in launchpadlib "launchpadlib doesn't cache wadl; reads 1MB at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52192701:14
lifelessotoh if leonardr considers these issues bugs we can work on it01:14
pooliei think using it for commands that are specific to launchpad, like lp-propose are fine01:14
pooliei commented on the lp: bug that any rpc separate to starting the ssh connection is really a kind of waste01:14
lifelesspoolie: I'll buy appropriate, I'm not convinced about fine. I've so far seen nothing perform well with lp apis.01:14
poolielifeless: aiui amazon's approach is to send application-level signed/encrypted messages over plain http01:15
pooliewhich is quite interesting01:15
pooliewell01:15
poolieit's not ideal01:15
* lifeless is in a 'performance matters' mindset today ;)01:15
pooliei think it's better than not having the feature at all, or implementing a separate mechanism01:15
poolielaunchpad should have an api mechanism that is fast01:15
leonardrlifeless: performance is going to be my next project after i get multi-version working01:16
leonardri was going to work on server-side performance but it seems like client-side is hurting people more01:16
poolielifeless: did you try hydrazine?01:16
poolieit's interesting01:16
poolieit is actually useful01:16
lifelesspoolie: I haven't tried it yet.01:16
pooliebut also it shows you the stripped-down rpc performance01:16
lifelesspoolie: I've used lplib interactive quite a bit01:16
poolie./bugclient --debug -c 'bug 123456' -c 'triage high confirmed +foo'01:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345601:17
poolieright, it's like that with a bit less typing01:17
lifelessleonardr: when you start thinking and working on performance, I'd be *delighted* to talk with you about concerns, constraints and ideas.01:17
leonardrlifeless: sure01:18
lifelessleonardr: as would other folk in bzr team I'm sure; we've all got various amounts of skin in the performance game ;)01:18
poolieor other organs01:18
leonardri don't want a bunch of bugs saying "it's too slow" but separate bugs for ideas like "keep the http connection open" and "don't round-trip for the wadl every time" are good01:18
lifelessleonardr: jam was measuring just import time, not time to grab the wadl, FWIW.01:18
poolieleonardr: +1001:19
pooliesame for us01:19
leonardrlifeless: i'd consider that a third bug01:19
pooliespecific bugs that can be individually fixed01:19
pooliei'll file that01:19
lifelessleonardr: is there one for 'ship the wadl', and 'have it precompiled' ?01:19
lifelesspoolie: I suggested on the bug that jam file that; you might like to put the number in that bug for reference.01:19
leonardrlifeless: there is not. i'm against both those ideas but i'm open to some modified form of 'have it precompiled' (ie. 'compile it lazily')01:20
lifelessleonardr: I suspect theres a systemic problem in that lp's interfaces are very non-batchy / job-submission style, but good web performance needs batchy/job-submission style.01:21
pooliei think if it's actually cached properly it need not be bad01:21
poolie1MB the first time you use it is not awful01:21
pooliebug 52296301:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522963 in launchpadlib "launchpadlib is too slow to import" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52296301:21
lifelessleonardr: well I'll file them01:21
lifeless(unless you want to convince me now that they are bad things to do [I don't suggest doing that, its late for you])01:22
leonardrlifeless: that comes from our decision to save time by publishing the internal interfaces01:22
leonardrnow that we have the basic stuff published, we can take a step back and design something better01:22
poolielifeless: maybe that's just subsidiary to bug 521927 or a suggested fix for it01:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 521927 in launchpadlib "launchpadlib doesn't cache wadl; reads 1MB at startup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52192701:23
poolies/that/shipping or trimming it01:23
poolieoh and that reminds me of another malone bug01:24
lifelesspoolie: interesting ssh trivia, thanks.01:24
poolieyes, isn't it01:24
poolieit's a bit hard to actually know for sure01:25
* leonardr sneaks off while lifeless and poolie are talking01:26
poolieheh, good night01:27
poolieand thanks, though apis are slow they're useful01:27
lifelessright, two bugs filed01:30
lifelesspoolie: I think there is a significant difference between 'ship the wadl' and 'does not cache the latest version'01:30
lifelessmainly around the use cases of 'give me the latest model' and 'I know that I work with model XYZ'01:30
pooliethe first would invalidate the second01:30
pooliemm01:30
pooliefixing either would help01:31
lifelessso the first doesn't invalidate the second :)01:31
lifelessthough they are similar01:31
pooliedoes compiling wadl take a long time?01:38
lifelessI'm not entirely sure01:39
poolieas much as $10?01:43
poolie:)01:43
lifelesspoolie: more if roaming.01:43
lifelesspoolie: I didn't want to exaggerate ;>01:43
poolieeven more if you want to use a satelite phone01:43
lifelessyup01:43
poolieeven more if you're in 198201:44
lifelessstuck back in the wild west with a delorean01:44
lifelessI need some war of the worlds I think01:44
mrooneyhello! anyone know if anything is wonky with staging.lp.net? I'm getting a 401 Unauthorized via the LP API but can change the service to edge and it works fine.07:59
mrooneydoes mars happen to have any ideas? :)08:01
thumpermrooney: it is possible that staging is being updates08:01
thumperupdated08:01
mrooneythumper: well I gave it a peek and it looks fine and is functional, I thought when it is being updated you can't view it as a webapp either?08:05
thumpermrooney: yeah, that is normally the case08:05
mrooneyit is a mystery then08:05
thumpermrooney: do you have an authorized token for staging?08:05
thumpermrooney: that is more likely the issue08:05
mrooneythat could be! doesn't it ask you to create one if you don't have one?08:06
mrooneyI did at one point as this used to work, maybe it expired but the edge one didn't?08:06
mrooneylooks like I just had to delete my ~/.launchpadlib and it re-prompted me and all is well08:12
mrooneythanks!08:25
om26erhow can I make a package backported to karmic ? when I am actually using lucid08:49
om26er*while uploading to pap08:49
om26erppa08:49
noodles775om26er: can you use pbuilder locally to check the source, and then just upload to your PPA?08:51
noodles775s/check the source/check the source in karmic08:51
om26ernoodles775, ok08:51
edakiriI filed Bug  #463144 .  The same issue affects LaunchPad.  Should I file a separate bug for LaunchPad or should it be listed in the same bug?09:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 463144 in ubuntu-start-page "absolute font sizing and size smaller than default creates accessibility and usability difficulties" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46314409:55
adeuringnoodles775: could you pelase ui-review this MPhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-283941-show-patch-numbers-on-upstream-report/+merge/19405 ? A screenshot: http://people.canonical.com/~adeuring/upstreamreport.png . the branch adds the right-most column10:02
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sebnerI can't access several sites (e.g https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ufl) when I'm logged in. Not allowed here12:26
sebnerSorry, you don't have permission to access this page.  ... With another browser (not logged in) it works. Anyone an idea?12:26
wgrantBug 51482412:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 514824 in soyuz "No permissions to view ubuntu/+source/hypre because of disabled ppa in page" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51482412:28
wgrantsebner: ^^12:28
sebnerwgrant: ohhhhhhh, thanks :)12:30
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ccmhey, do you know who is the contact for the @ubuntu.com mail server?14:18
ccmi am getting terribly spammed14:18
marsccm, might be better to ask in #ubuntu-signpost14:22
ccmmars: okay, thank you14:24
marsccm, they should be able to direct you to a channel with sys admins (might be #ubuntu-dev)14:24
ccmthat sounds great. hopping there14:24
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lfaraonemars: he should have gone to #canonical-sysadmin14:42
marslfaraone, is that in the ubuntu docs?14:46
lfaraonemars: probably not, but they're responsible for the mailserver.14:48
marslfaraone, it was a question about *.ubuntu.com, so I assume that the ubuntu docs are the place to go14:48
marshmm14:48
jpdsmars: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail14:50
marsjpds, ok, thanks14:53
marsso the question is: did the #ubuntu-signpost people manage to direct him to the right wiki page and/or channel?14:54
jpdsThere is no #ubuntu-signpost channel...14:54
mars?14:55
edakiriUh! mars is a troll!  (just kidding)14:56
marslooking back through the browser history.... could have sworn I read "....#ubuntu-signpost is staffed by volunteers..."14:56
marsedakiri, :)14:56
marsedakiri, I have been helping people to engender feelings of goodwill.  I was going to begin DCCing you all momentarily, but it appears I will have to build yet more goodwill first.14:57
marsha!14:58
marsjpds, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Destinations#irc-ubuntu-signpost14:58
jpdsmars: Interesting.14:59
marsand I know #ubuntu+1 is real, so why no #ubuntu-signpost? :)14:59
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micahgare the amd64 lucid chroots broke?15:46
micahgactually, the PPA gets from archive, so I'll go ask in -idevel15:47
bigjoolsmicahg: yes but someone is on it15:47
micahgah, k15:47
micahgthanks15:47
bigjoolsthe udev issue?15:48
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micahgbigjools: yeah, I think so16:01
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bdmurrayunsubcribing a team from a bug is raising an error message for me "Server error" but seems to work.  is this known?17:24
Ursinhabdmurray: don't think so, is it consistent?17:38
bdmurrayUrsinha: is 2 out of 2 times consistent?17:39
Ursinhabdmurray: hmm, yes17:39
Ursinhabdmurray: you tried two times in a short period?17:40
bdmurrayUrsinha: well in the past hour with 2 separate bug reports17:40
Ursinhabdmurray: hmm, right, I'll take a look17:41
Ursinhathanks17:41
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adiroibanhi. Any ideas how can I access entries from Launchpad API using launchpadlib?19:14
adiroibanI'm trying to get a language https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/index.html#language19:14
tsimpsonadiroiban: what issue are you having?19:17
adiroibanI'm kind of dumb, and I don't know how to query a language from launchpadlib19:18
adiroibanI can query persons... but I got stuck at quering a language19:19
tsimpsonyou usually get a language from a person, or you can use the .load method of your Launchpad instance19:19
tsimpsonas you can see though, a language object doesn't really contain any data, so there's not much point in loading it19:20
adiroibantsimpson: thanks. lp.load did the trick19:22
adiroibanI guess there is no API query languages in a similar way as persons or projects19:23
tsimpsonit's really just an object representing a string, which happens to represent a language code19:24
adiroibantsimpson: true. I was looking after something similar to the LP page for a language https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/ar19:27
tsimpsonnot much (any) of the translations stuff has been exported to the API as far as I can see19:28
tsimpsonit's mostly just people/teams, projects and bugs so far19:30
adiroibanyep. np. I will read about writing LP APIs and try to submit a patch19:31
adiroibanis this part of registry?19:31
rhpot1991I think something might be wrong with the 32bit chroot: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39317246/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.mythbuntu-common_0.43-0ubuntu2~ppa1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz19:31
adiroibanthe code for languages is in lp/services/worlddata19:31
tsimpsonadeuring: I'm not sure where it is, you'll have to do some digging :)19:33
tsimpsonhttps://dev.launchpad.net/Hacking has some help on finding stuff19:37
adiroibanthanks19:40
blueyedagain, I cannot (finish) report(ing) a bug: OOPS-1509B189419:46
ubottuhttps://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1509B189419:46
marsblueyed, just looking at the OOPS - that is quite surprising.  Ursinha, ^ known issue?19:49
blueyedand for another package: OOPS-1509K205219:49
ubottuhttps://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1509K205219:49
blueyeddoes this happen because of empty description?19:50
marsblueyed, are you trying to file the bugs with empty description fields?19:50
lifeless  Module lp.bugs.browser.bugtarget, line 702, in showFileBugForm19:51
lifeless    raise NotImplementedError19:51
marslifeless, that is the surprising part :)19:51
marsthat he found a path to that code19:51
lifelessyou know what would be nice19:52
blueyedmars: not surprising for me: LP oopsed far too often when reporting bugs for me.19:53
blueyedthe last time it was related to the package name or whatever.19:53
lifelessto include a link to bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/prod|edge?/<revno>/lib/...19:53
blueyedyes19:53
blueyed(simple testcase ^^)19:53
marsblueyed, well, I am looking through the list of known issues.  There are ones in malone for filing descriptions with a single whitespace char19:54
Lord-Readmanwhen launchpad tar-balls something for you in .tar.gz is it possible to request that it does .tar.xz to save bandwidth and space ?19:54
blueyedhere's another one: OOPS-1509C1814 - empty desc?19:54
ubottuhttps://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1509C181419:54
blueyedit's the empty desc..!19:54
lifelessLord-Readman: when does launchpad tar things for you ?19:54
Lord-Readmanlifeless, when you request a trunk translation download19:55
deryckblueyed, mars -- yeah, this is missing form validation.  It's fixed on edge.19:55
blueyedmars: can you please also add a testcase for adding a bug with an empty desc.. this should not happen in an app that is years old already.19:55
marsblueyed, want to become an edge beta tester? :)19:55
lifelessLord-Readman: not at the moment; you might check bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta to see if there is a wishlist bug for that19:55
lifelessblueyed: 'should' \o/19:56
marsblueyed, deryck is the man to handle this19:56
blueyedderyck: ^^19:56
marsI defer to him19:56
lifelessor blueyed - you could file a patch :>19:56
blueyedmars: I've left when there was too much annoyance in there at some point. also, I could not beg you to release this fix - I would not have noticed on edge19:56
blueyedlifeless: tests!19:56
lifelessblueyed: and code!19:57
Ursinhamars: let me see here19:57
deryckmars, blueyed this is fixed already.  and it is tested, but javascript changed the behavior in a way the original test didn't catch.19:57
deryckmars, blueyed -- we're preparing to cherry-pick the change to the main site now.19:58
blueyedlifeless: I know. But it's a beast to setup.. and the first fix would be to have a "any" checkbox/toggle in the advanced search form bug status page.19:58
blueyedanyways.. please add a test.19:58
marsUrsinha, nevermind, sorry to trouble you (see deryck's last answer)19:58
Ursinhamars: no problem :)19:58
blueyedderyck: it is tested, but got through to production with the test failing?19:58
blueyedderyck: thanks.19:58
goundyhi guys19:59
marsderyck, thank you for the info19:59
goundystill no wiki support workarround in the air ? :)19:59
deryckblueyed, the test never failed.  the test was for the static pages and the failure was introduced by converting the behavior to use JavaScript.  The new path was tested in windmill for js interaction, but the failure case was not known and therefore not tested.19:59
deryckthat's complicated to explain on IRC :)20:00
marshi goundy.  Sorry, no, still no wiki that I know of.20:00
goundymars, hehe thanks ;)20:00
blueyedderyck: I understand completely.. there was no test.. ;P20:01
deryckblueyed, if it makes you happy, yes, there was no test. ;)20:02
deryckblueyed, but have you ever tried getting JavaScript-heavy pages properly tested? ;)20:02
lifelessmars: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/oops-tools/+bug/52339820:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 523398 in oops-tools "hotlink code to codebrowse" [Undecided,New]20:04
marslifeless, ?20:05
blueyedno, but I know that there are frameworks.. and you appear to be using windmill.. the issue is just that there a tests for testing web pages currently in place, which are not consistent between JS and non-JS.20:05
lifelessmars: filed a bug with my suggestion for lptools; checking with you that it makes sense to someone else20:05
marsah20:05
lifelessleonardr: so, did the bugs we filed make sense ? (getting to mail now)20:06
marslifeless, that makes sense to me, and that would be a nice feature, too20:07
blueyedyeah, I've hit code from 2006! ;)20:07
blueyedThanks for your work. Keep up the QA! :)20:07
leonardrlifeless: yes. a lot of your problems could be mitigated by changing your behavior (no longer starting a lot of new processes from a cronjob), but we can talk about the best way to address the problems later20:08
lifelessleonardr: I think you're assuming some stuff based on your reaction20:09
lifelessleonardr: [I don't start a lot of new processes, and don't use cron :)] but thats ok, we can tease it apart later20:09
leonardrlifeless: i showed gary your bugs and he said something about people using cron, i assumed it was you20:10
leonardryes, i'll talk with you after multi-version is done20:10
lifelessnope, not me; I'm proxying for users of bzr and the performance and network situations they report.20:10
lifeless[and when I'm phone-tethered, me]20:11
lifelessso what is 'multiversion'?20:13
Lord-Readmanlifeless I created https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/export-all-translations-as-tarball-select-compression-method20:13
Lord-Readmanis that ok you think?20:13
lifelessLord-Readman: I would have created a bug myself; did you check that there wasn't a bug available already?20:14
Lord-ReadmanI searched, no mention, also I didnt see how a missing feature would have been a bug and not an idea/blueprint20:15
lifelessLord-Readman: because launchpad development is primarily driven by bugs and bugs can be 'wishlist'20:15
Lord-ReadmanSo should I request removal of the blueprint and raise it as a bug?20:16
lifelessThats why I suggested a bug to you :). What you do know is up to you, I'm not on the rosetta team, I don't know what will get the best reaction from them.20:16
willkgi'm having trouble editing the miro project on launchpad (https://launchpad.net/democracyplayer/).  i don't have access and don't know who can give me access.  oppy (owner of pculture) is no longer around.20:18
willkghow can i go about reclaiming the project?20:18
lifelessfile a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad, or talk to mars: the current help contact20:19
c_kornhello, are the build deamons currently broken ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39318250/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.scilab_5.2.0-7~ppa1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz20:20
lifelessno, but the chroots they use are broken and being fixed.20:20
lifelesssee #ubuntu-devel20:20
willkglifeless: thanks!  will do.20:20
Ursinhawillkg: have you tried contacting the owner?20:21
willkgUrsinha: like i said "oppy" is no longer around.20:21
c_kornlifeless: k, thanks20:22
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adiroibannow that Launchpad allows anonymous access to API, why we can not just grab an url like this https://api.launchpad.net/beta/+languages/ar directly in the browser?20:54
adiroibanis a bug20:54
adiroibanor a feature?20:54
lifelessneither20:55
lifelessits because anonymous isn't 'unauthenticated' its 'authenticated as anonymous'20:55
wgrantadiroiban: Try https://launchpad.net/api/beta/+languages/ar21:00
wgrantThat will authenticate you with your cookie.21:00
adiroibanwgrant: thanks! it is working21:01
wgrantadiroiban: Alternatively append ?oauth_token=&oauth_consumer_key=something to the URL.21:03
adiroibanwgrant: great. By doing this it is realy easy to do quick tests:)21:08
wgrantadiroiban: Exactly.21:08
wgrantSo much quicker than firing up launchpadlib.21:08
rdbI can't find an option anywhere to retract an offer for mentorship on the blueprint page. Am I missing something?21:16
rdbI mean, blueprint pages don't seem to list anything about the available mentoring for it.21:17
wgrantrdb: The mentoring feature has been withdrawn, I believe.21:19
rdbBeh! Why?21:21
rdbThe icon still shows up for the existing blueprints.21:21
rdbBut why was it removed? It's one of the main reasons why I'm still using launchpad for blueprint tracking.21:21
rdbis there an equivalent?21:23
sinzuirdb: mars: mentoring was removed from launchpad 9 months ago21:29
sinzuirdb: mars: there is not action that can be taked21:30
sinzuitaken21:30
sinzuiI do see mentoring icons show up, I think that is a bug in the badge code21:30
sinzuirdb: mentoring was removed because it was being used by about 20 users out of a million launchpad users. It did not work as users want it to work, and the code was costly to maintain: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/removing-mentoring21:36
rdbbeh, ok21:37
ftawhat happened to all the builders?22:00
micahgfta: they be broke :)22:00
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pooliehere's a nice use of Launchpad: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2010q1/066924.html23:32
lifelessany losa in the house?23:53

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