| vish | troy_s: heya... been bushy.. pixel-pushing humanity for lucid release :D | 02:25 |
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| vish | busy* | 02:25 |
| * darkmatter pushes pixels up vish... nm ;p | 02:37 | |
| vish | ;) | 02:40 |
| vish | hmm , this looks wrong for so many reasons > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity2.png , can be mistaken for several body parts ;p | 02:44 |
| troy_s | vish: That's the upside of working with workshopping. | 03:19 |
| troy_s | vish: You avoid the 'OMFG THAT'S A PENIS!!!' | 03:19 |
| troy_s | vish: At any rate, have things settled in on the cover a bit? | 03:20 |
| vish | troy_s: yup , finally! after whining a lot ... a cover without the animal is acceptable ;) | 03:21 |
| troy_s | vish: That's positive. How's the typeface selection going? | 03:22 |
| troy_s | vish: Better I hope? | 03:22 |
| vish | thorwil is a happier guy nowadays and new directions are acceptable too... typeface is goin on too | 03:22 |
| troy_s | vish: So progress is being made. That's positive. | 03:23 |
| troy_s | vish: Hopefully everyone is feeling more on the same page and that the thing is evolving in a positive manner. | 03:23 |
| vish | yeah.. :) | 03:24 |
| kwwii | morning everyone | 09:47 |
| thorwil | http://durian.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/final-cartoon-team-durian-colors-all.jpg | 10:06 |
| * kwwii heads out to the airport | 15:56 | |
| zniavre | good evening | 21:00 |
| zniavre | i want to tupdate my icon set with new trash icon but it does not appreas into nautilus sidepanel | 21:01 |
| zniavre | update* | 21:01 |
| zniavre | (sorry for typos ) | 21:01 |
| kwwii | hey kids | 23:09 |
| * kwwii returns from London | 23:09 | |
| kwwii | and spams the list | 23:10 |
| dashua | Hey kwwii | 23:27 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Serious question, wtf is up with icons for mimetypes. _Dead_ serious. | 23:41 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Isn't that sort of dare I say - retro as a Greek column? | 23:41 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Would it not make more sense to simply adopt and polish the already existing thumbnailers available? | 23:41 |
| kwwii | troy_s: erm, not sure exactly what you mean | 23:42 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Icons are a misery of yesterday, and most certainly a dead trend. They aren't exactly illuminating to just about anyone. | 23:42 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Well... it's like suggesting we should have an icon that looks like xxx for a jpg. | 23:42 |
| troy_s | kwwii: When the real question should be "Why the hell in 2010 are we using a singular icon to represent any sort of data?" | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Follow me? | 23:43 |
| kwwii | troy_s: to some extent you can't simply change *everything* at once (without a really good plan) | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: I have to say, even a precursory examination of the possible thumbnailers (Ubuntu Forums) | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: I don't think that's 'everything' | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: The counter view is borderline ludditedom | 23:43 |
| kwwii | troy_s: in that sense, I do agree that icons and the current desktop metaphor is fscked | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: At one point, jpgs were thumbnailed. | 23:43 |
| kwwii | but I think you'll see that change in the future | 23:43 |
| troy_s | kwwii: PDFs are (?) | 23:44 |
| kwwii | troy_s: well, look at how nautilus deals with previews | 23:44 |
| kwwii | it is shit | 23:44 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Raw should be there already (I think it is if you install gnome-raw-thumbnailers) | 23:44 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Point is - all of the crap is already there. | 23:44 |
| kwwii | the previews are these large ugly icons and the icons are much smaller...all in neat rows | 23:44 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Whatever the case, it eliminates the whole icon bruhaha | 23:44 |
| troy_s | kwwii: And more importantly, pushes one step further down the road of meaningful representational data. | 23:45 |
| troy_s | kwwii: As in 'We are already doing it' | 23:45 |
| troy_s | kwwii: It just seems that for some reason, we haven't implemented the bloody OpenOffice thumbnailer that is out there already. | 23:45 |
| troy_s | kwwii: (PDF is already there right?) | 23:45 |
| kwwii | troy_s: to be honest, kde does it much better | 23:45 |
| kwwii | :p | 23:45 |
| troy_s | kwwii: And KDE is not well done either. | 23:46 |
| troy_s | kwwii: So let's be fair to fair. | 23:46 |
| troy_s | kwwii: But that doesn't help Ubuntu _now_ of course. | 23:46 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Which is the point - the work is already done. | 23:46 |
| troy_s | kwwii: (And I just tested, PDF is already thumbnailed on my install) | 23:46 |
| kwwii | no, indeed but in some technical areas it is simply a bit more advanced (in one way or another due to the fact that their toolkit is developed by a company) | 23:46 |
| troy_s | kwwii: (ODT is _not_) | 23:46 |
| kwwii | sure | 23:47 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Moot point if it all ends up looking like asstastic rigid Libretypical. | 23:47 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Short question: Why the hell isn't Ubuntu using the OpenOffice thumbnailer. | 23:47 |
| troy_s | kwwii: How much coverage (legit question) is there in thumbnailers now? Probably what - 60-75%? | 23:47 |
| kwwii | troy_s: to be honest, I have no idea | 23:48 |
| troy_s | kwwii: (Leaves room for improvement of course - I seem to remember someone on the forums having done a thumbnailer for mp3/ogg/flac music tracks that showed an albumcover and a glyph or something.) | 23:48 |
| kwwii | it's almost 1am here, I got back from London a couple of hours ago and I've had two vodka tonic's with lime | 23:49 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Might be a better question than watching 10 people flounder with what a fricking icon should look like (and probably bringing about a bunch of moot points) | 23:49 |
| kwwii | :p | 23:49 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Lol. | 23:49 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Just throwing it out. Seems like a dog chasing it's tail. | 23:49 |
| troy_s | kwwii: And wasting time while doing it. | 23:49 |
| kwwii | troy_s: send me an email..I definitely won't remember this in details tomorrow | 23:49 |
| kwwii | you might have a very good point ;) | 23:49 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Do I dare click this fricking button? DO I? | 23:51 |
| kwwii | troy_s: I think that one could create an design which includes pretty much any symbol for any given thing and as long as the *entire* concept is done correctly from start the user would still figure it out | 23:53 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Bah. You just barfed up classic freetard design ethic. | 23:53 |
| kwwii | when I moved from MS to Mac it was hard | 23:53 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Who is the user :) | 23:53 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Exactly. | 23:53 |
| kwwii | well, not that extreme, but you get the point | 23:54 |
| troy_s | Point is, no matter WHAT the decision, someone somewhere is going to be learning. | 23:54 |
| kwwii | yes, true | 23:54 |
| troy_s | kwwii: All those fools chatting about intuitive are well... uh... they should probably go study something for a while. | 23:54 |
| kwwii | if you didn't have to learn it wouldn't be a different system | 23:54 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Exactly. | 23:54 |
| troy_s | kwwii: It's difference. If it weren't, it'd be the same. | 23:55 |
| troy_s | kwwii: But the issue with the fricking icons that pops up over and over is that it's forest through trees. | 23:55 |
| kwwii | troy_s: true, but I think you'll see that change in the future | 23:56 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Lol. How long have I been hearing that? | 23:57 |
| kwwii | wow, the first time I can say that and really mean it with intent ;) | 23:57 |
| troy_s | kwwii: You are starting to sound like Microsoft over there. | 23:57 |
| kwwii | troy_s: ask me in 6 months that same question and we'll have an honest talk | 23:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Ugh. If I remember. | 23:58 |
| kwwii | troy_s: honestly, the design team is just now jelling, so to speak | 23:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii: It's ethic. | 23:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Where there is none. | 23:58 |
| kwwii | I think lucid +1 is going to be pretty cool | 23:58 |
| troy_s | kwwii: With the memenu leading the way? | 23:58 |
| kwwii | we've already started long term planning | 23:59 |
| troy_s | lol | 23:59 |
| kwwii | hehe, well | 23:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii: _exactly_ | 23:59 |
| kwwii | that is lucid | 23:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii: *ahem*. | 23:59 |
| kwwii | give us a chance to get up to speed | 23:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii: How much more chance before someone somewhere calls the tripe? It's been tripe all along? | 23:59 |
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