[02:25] <vish> troy_s: heya... been bushy.. pixel-pushing humanity for lucid release :D
[02:25] <vish> busy*
[02:37]  * darkmatter pushes pixels up vish... nm ;p
[02:40] <vish> ;)
[02:44] <vish> hmm , this looks wrong for so many reasons >  http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity2.png , can be mistaken for several body parts ;p
[03:19] <troy_s> vish: That's the upside of working with workshopping.
[03:19] <troy_s> vish: You avoid the 'OMFG THAT'S A PENIS!!!'
[03:20] <troy_s> vish: At any rate, have things settled in on the cover a bit?
[03:21] <vish> troy_s: yup , finally! after whining a lot ... a cover without the animal is acceptable ;)
[03:22] <troy_s> vish: That's positive. How's the typeface selection going?
[03:22] <troy_s> vish: Better I hope?
[03:22] <vish> thorwil is a happier guy nowadays and new directions are acceptable too... typeface is goin on too
[03:23] <troy_s> vish: So progress is being made. That's positive.
[03:23] <troy_s> vish: Hopefully everyone is feeling more on the same page and that the thing is evolving in a positive manner.
[03:24] <vish>  yeah.. :)
[09:47] <kwwii> morning everyone
[10:06] <thorwil> http://durian.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/final-cartoon-team-durian-colors-all.jpg
[15:56]  * kwwii heads out to the airport
[21:00] <zniavre> good evening
[21:01] <zniavre> i want to tupdate my icon set with new trash icon but it does not appreas into nautilus sidepanel
[21:01] <zniavre> update*
[21:01] <zniavre> (sorry for typos )
[23:09] <kwwii> hey kids
[23:09]  * kwwii returns from London
[23:10] <kwwii> and spams the list
[23:27] <dashua> Hey kwwii
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Serious question, wtf is up with icons for mimetypes. _Dead_ serious.
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Isn't that sort of dare I say - retro as a Greek column?
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Would it not make more sense to simply adopt and polish the already existing thumbnailers available?
[23:42] <kwwii> troy_s: erm, not sure exactly what you mean
[23:42] <troy_s> kwwii: Icons are a misery of yesterday, and most certainly a dead trend. They aren't exactly illuminating to just about anyone.
[23:42] <troy_s> kwwii: Well... it's like suggesting we should have an icon that looks like xxx for a jpg.
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: When the real question should be "Why the hell in 2010 are we using a singular icon to represent any sort of data?"
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: Follow me?
[23:43] <kwwii> troy_s: to some extent you can't simply change *everything* at once (without a really good plan)
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: I have to say, even a precursory examination of the possible thumbnailers (Ubuntu Forums)
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't think that's 'everything'
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: The counter view is borderline ludditedom
[23:43] <kwwii> troy_s: in that sense, I do agree that icons and the current desktop metaphor is fscked
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: At one point, jpgs were thumbnailed.
[23:43] <kwwii> but I think you'll see that change in the future
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: PDFs are (?)
[23:44] <kwwii> troy_s: well, look at how nautilus deals with previews
[23:44] <kwwii> it is shit
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Raw should be there already (I think it is if you install gnome-raw-thumbnailers)
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Point is - all of the crap is already there.
[23:44] <kwwii> the previews are these large ugly icons and the icons are much smaller...all in neat rows
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Whatever the case, it eliminates the whole icon bruhaha
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: And more importantly, pushes one step further down the road of meaningful representational data.
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: As in 'We are already doing it'
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: It just seems that for some reason, we haven't implemented the bloody OpenOffice thumbnailer that is out there already.
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: (PDF is already there right?)
[23:45] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, kde does it much better
[23:45] <kwwii> :p
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: And KDE is not well done either.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: So let's be fair to fair.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: But that doesn't help Ubuntu _now_ of course.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: Which is the point - the work is already done.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: (And I just tested, PDF is already thumbnailed on my install)
[23:46] <kwwii> no, indeed but in some technical areas it is simply a bit more advanced (in one way or another due to the fact that their toolkit is developed by a company)
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: (ODT is _not_)
[23:47] <kwwii> sure
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Moot point if it all ends up looking like asstastic rigid Libretypical.
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Short question: Why the hell isn't Ubuntu using the OpenOffice thumbnailer.
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: How much coverage (legit question) is there in thumbnailers now? Probably what - 60-75%?
[23:48] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, I have no idea
[23:48] <troy_s> kwwii: (Leaves room for improvement of course - I seem to remember someone on the forums having done a thumbnailer for mp3/ogg/flac music tracks that showed an albumcover and a glyph or something.)
[23:49] <kwwii> it's almost 1am here, I got back from London a couple of hours ago and I've had two vodka tonic's with lime
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Might be a better question than watching 10 people flounder with what a fricking icon should look like (and probably bringing about a bunch of moot points)
[23:49] <kwwii> :p
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol.
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Just throwing it out. Seems like a dog chasing it's tail.
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: And wasting time while doing it.
[23:49] <kwwii> troy_s: send me an email..I definitely won't remember this in details tomorrow
[23:49] <kwwii> you might have a very good point ;)
[23:51] <troy_s> kwwii: Do I dare click this fricking button? DO I?
[23:53] <kwwii> troy_s: I think that one could create an design which includes pretty much any symbol for any given thing and as long as the *entire* concept is done correctly from start the user would still figure it out
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Bah. You just barfed up classic freetard design ethic.
[23:53] <kwwii> when I moved from MS to Mac it was hard
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Who is the user :)
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Exactly.
[23:54] <kwwii> well, not that extreme, but you get the point
[23:54] <troy_s> Point is, no matter WHAT the decision, someone somewhere is going to be learning.
[23:54] <kwwii> yes, true
[23:54] <troy_s> kwwii: All those fools chatting about intuitive are well... uh... they should probably go study something for a while.
[23:54] <kwwii> if you didn't have to learn it wouldn't be a different system
[23:54] <troy_s> kwwii: Exactly.
[23:55] <troy_s> kwwii: It's difference. If it weren't, it'd be the same.
[23:55] <troy_s> kwwii: But the issue with the fricking icons that pops up over and over is that it's forest through trees.
[23:56] <kwwii> troy_s: true, but I think you'll see that change in the future
[23:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol. How long have I been hearing that?
[23:57] <kwwii> wow, the first time I can say that and really mean it with intent ;)
[23:57] <troy_s> kwwii: You are starting to sound like Microsoft over there.
[23:58] <kwwii> troy_s: ask me in 6 months that same question and we'll have an honest talk
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Ugh. If I remember.
[23:58] <kwwii> troy_s: honestly, the design team is just now jelling, so to speak
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: It's ethic.
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Where there is none.
[23:58] <kwwii> I think lucid +1 is going to be pretty cool
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: With the memenu leading the way?
[23:59] <kwwii> we've already started long term planning
[23:59] <troy_s> lol
[23:59] <kwwii> hehe, well
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: _exactly_
[23:59] <kwwii> that is lucid
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: *ahem*.
[23:59] <kwwii> give us a chance to get up to speed
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: How much more chance before someone somewhere calls the tripe? It's been tripe all along?