[02:25] troy_s: heya... been bushy.. pixel-pushing humanity for lucid release :D [02:25] busy* [02:37] * darkmatter pushes pixels up vish... nm ;p [02:40] ;) [02:44] hmm , this looks wrong for so many reasons > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity2.png , can be mistaken for several body parts ;p [03:19] vish: That's the upside of working with workshopping. [03:19] vish: You avoid the 'OMFG THAT'S A PENIS!!!' [03:20] vish: At any rate, have things settled in on the cover a bit? [03:21] troy_s: yup , finally! after whining a lot ... a cover without the animal is acceptable ;) [03:22] vish: That's positive. How's the typeface selection going? [03:22] vish: Better I hope? [03:22] thorwil is a happier guy nowadays and new directions are acceptable too... typeface is goin on too [03:23] vish: So progress is being made. That's positive. [03:23] vish: Hopefully everyone is feeling more on the same page and that the thing is evolving in a positive manner. [03:24] yeah.. :) [09:47] morning everyone [10:06] http://durian.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/final-cartoon-team-durian-colors-all.jpg [15:56] * kwwii heads out to the airport [21:00] good evening [21:01] i want to tupdate my icon set with new trash icon but it does not appreas into nautilus sidepanel [21:01] update* [21:01] (sorry for typos ) [23:09] hey kids [23:09] * kwwii returns from London [23:10] and spams the list [23:27] Hey kwwii [23:41] kwwii: Serious question, wtf is up with icons for mimetypes. _Dead_ serious. [23:41] kwwii: Isn't that sort of dare I say - retro as a Greek column? [23:41] kwwii: Would it not make more sense to simply adopt and polish the already existing thumbnailers available? [23:42] troy_s: erm, not sure exactly what you mean [23:42] kwwii: Icons are a misery of yesterday, and most certainly a dead trend. They aren't exactly illuminating to just about anyone. [23:42] kwwii: Well... it's like suggesting we should have an icon that looks like xxx for a jpg. [23:43] kwwii: When the real question should be "Why the hell in 2010 are we using a singular icon to represent any sort of data?" [23:43] kwwii: Follow me? [23:43] troy_s: to some extent you can't simply change *everything* at once (without a really good plan) [23:43] kwwii: I have to say, even a precursory examination of the possible thumbnailers (Ubuntu Forums) [23:43] kwwii: I don't think that's 'everything' [23:43] kwwii: The counter view is borderline ludditedom [23:43] troy_s: in that sense, I do agree that icons and the current desktop metaphor is fscked [23:43] kwwii: At one point, jpgs were thumbnailed. [23:43] but I think you'll see that change in the future [23:44] kwwii: PDFs are (?) [23:44] troy_s: well, look at how nautilus deals with previews [23:44] it is shit [23:44] kwwii: Raw should be there already (I think it is if you install gnome-raw-thumbnailers) [23:44] kwwii: Point is - all of the crap is already there. [23:44] the previews are these large ugly icons and the icons are much smaller...all in neat rows [23:44] kwwii: Whatever the case, it eliminates the whole icon bruhaha [23:45] kwwii: And more importantly, pushes one step further down the road of meaningful representational data. [23:45] kwwii: As in 'We are already doing it' [23:45] kwwii: It just seems that for some reason, we haven't implemented the bloody OpenOffice thumbnailer that is out there already. [23:45] kwwii: (PDF is already there right?) [23:45] troy_s: to be honest, kde does it much better [23:45] :p [23:46] kwwii: And KDE is not well done either. [23:46] kwwii: So let's be fair to fair. [23:46] kwwii: But that doesn't help Ubuntu _now_ of course. [23:46] kwwii: Which is the point - the work is already done. [23:46] kwwii: (And I just tested, PDF is already thumbnailed on my install) [23:46] no, indeed but in some technical areas it is simply a bit more advanced (in one way or another due to the fact that their toolkit is developed by a company) [23:46] kwwii: (ODT is _not_) [23:47] sure [23:47] kwwii: Moot point if it all ends up looking like asstastic rigid Libretypical. [23:47] kwwii: Short question: Why the hell isn't Ubuntu using the OpenOffice thumbnailer. [23:47] kwwii: How much coverage (legit question) is there in thumbnailers now? Probably what - 60-75%? [23:48] troy_s: to be honest, I have no idea [23:48] kwwii: (Leaves room for improvement of course - I seem to remember someone on the forums having done a thumbnailer for mp3/ogg/flac music tracks that showed an albumcover and a glyph or something.) [23:49] it's almost 1am here, I got back from London a couple of hours ago and I've had two vodka tonic's with lime [23:49] kwwii: Might be a better question than watching 10 people flounder with what a fricking icon should look like (and probably bringing about a bunch of moot points) [23:49] :p [23:49] kwwii: Lol. [23:49] kwwii: Just throwing it out. Seems like a dog chasing it's tail. [23:49] kwwii: And wasting time while doing it. [23:49] troy_s: send me an email..I definitely won't remember this in details tomorrow [23:49] you might have a very good point ;) [23:51] kwwii: Do I dare click this fricking button? DO I? [23:53] troy_s: I think that one could create an design which includes pretty much any symbol for any given thing and as long as the *entire* concept is done correctly from start the user would still figure it out [23:53] kwwii: Bah. You just barfed up classic freetard design ethic. [23:53] when I moved from MS to Mac it was hard [23:53] kwwii: Who is the user :) [23:53] kwwii: Exactly. [23:54] well, not that extreme, but you get the point [23:54] Point is, no matter WHAT the decision, someone somewhere is going to be learning. [23:54] yes, true [23:54] kwwii: All those fools chatting about intuitive are well... uh... they should probably go study something for a while. [23:54] if you didn't have to learn it wouldn't be a different system [23:54] kwwii: Exactly. [23:55] kwwii: It's difference. If it weren't, it'd be the same. [23:55] kwwii: But the issue with the fricking icons that pops up over and over is that it's forest through trees. [23:56] troy_s: true, but I think you'll see that change in the future [23:57] kwwii: Lol. How long have I been hearing that? [23:57] wow, the first time I can say that and really mean it with intent ;) [23:57] kwwii: You are starting to sound like Microsoft over there. [23:58] troy_s: ask me in 6 months that same question and we'll have an honest talk [23:58] kwwii: Ugh. If I remember. [23:58] troy_s: honestly, the design team is just now jelling, so to speak [23:58] kwwii: It's ethic. [23:58] kwwii: Where there is none. [23:58] I think lucid +1 is going to be pretty cool [23:58] kwwii: With the memenu leading the way? [23:59] we've already started long term planning [23:59] lol [23:59] hehe, well [23:59] kwwii: _exactly_ [23:59] that is lucid [23:59] kwwii: *ahem*. [23:59] give us a chance to get up to speed [23:59] kwwii: How much more chance before someone somewhere calls the tripe? It's been tripe all along?