[13:50] <zul> morning
[13:52] <Daviey> (afternoon)
[13:52] <nijaba> o/
[13:54] <kirkland> o/
[13:57] <ttx> _o
[13:58] <nijaba> ttx: you look a little flat today...
[13:58] <alexm> o/
[13:58] <ogra> nijaba, he was grepping in his coffee, probably he burned his fingers while searching for strings in hot liquid :)
[13:58] <Daviey> \o
[13:59] <kirkland> nijaba: he's making a right turn on a motorcycle
[14:00]  * nijaba shows ttx where the turn signal switch is located on the handle
[14:00] <jjohansen> \o
[14:00] <mathiaz> ~^O^~
[14:00] <zul> ooOOoo
[14:00] <jiboumans> smoser, ping
[14:00] <jiboumans> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is jiboumans.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <smoser> here
[14:00] <jiboumans> good afternoon folks (or morning if you're so inclined)
[14:01] <mathiaz> *morning*
[14:01] <jiboumans> today's scribe will be mathiaz (well volunteered, thanks)
[14:01] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Action points from last meeting
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action points from last meeting
[14:01] <jiboumans> [ACTION] zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF
[14:01] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF
[14:01] <zul> done
[14:01] <zul> opened bugs in debian
[14:02] <jiboumans> zul: so worst case, ctdb doesn't make it into main?
[14:02] <zul> yes thats the worst case
[14:02] <jiboumans> alright. i can live with that
[14:02] <jiboumans> ACTION: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:02] <zul> done
[14:02] <zul> see the blog post on planet ;)
[14:02] <jiboumans> :) any volunteers?
[14:03] <nijaba> zul: url?
[14:03] <zul> http://zulcss.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/apport-for-ubuntu-server/
[14:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://zulcss.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/apport-for-ubuntu-server/
[14:03] <jiboumans> ACTION: kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA
[14:04] <kirkland> jiboumans: done
[14:04] <jiboumans> excellent
[14:04] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Spec status review (ttx)
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spec status review (ttx)
[14:04] <kirkland> jiboumans: fix confirmed in the ppa
[14:04] <kirkland> jiboumans: pushed to -proposed
[14:04] <ttx> OK, featurefreeze coming up... tomorrow
[14:04] <ttx> Specs with FeatureFreeze-affected work items that I wanted to discuss are:
[14:05] <ttx> server-lucid-aws-client-libraries
[14:05] <ttx> smoser: I completed the review, please have a look at them, ping me when ready if it's still in my time
[14:05] <smoser> ok. ill do that.
[14:05] <ttx> ping /someone else/ if too late
[14:05] <ttx> those needs to be uploaded today, are in pretty good shape methinks
[14:06] <ttx> mathiaz: comments ?
[14:06] <mathiaz> those needs to be uploaded today, are in pretty good shape methinkstoo
[14:06] <ttx> mathiaz: copycat !
[14:06] <ttx> server-lucid-contextualization
[14:06] <jiboumans> soren's out sick today unfortunately
[14:06] <ttx> This one needs soren's completion of a feature in VMBuilder... but that may not happen
[14:07] <ttx> server-lucid-asterisk-integration
[14:07] <ttx> Looking at the blueprint, we seem pretty far on that one
[14:08] <ttx> Lots of things would need to go in before FF
[14:08] <jiboumans> Daviey: ^
[14:08] <jiboumans> and jmdault
[14:09] <ttx> server-lucid-cluster-stack is in a slightly better shape, but still requires some pre-FF action
[14:09] <ttx> nobody from ubuntu-ha around
[14:10] <jiboumans> ttx: let's follow up on both of these via email
[14:10] <ttx> ok
[14:10] <ttx> High specs < 80% completion
[14:10] <Daviey> jiboumans: \o
[14:10] <jiboumans> [ACTION] ttx to follow up on server-lucid-cluster-stack and server-lucid-asterisk-integration via email
[14:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ttx to follow up on server-lucid-cluster-stack and server-lucid-asterisk-integration via email
[14:10] <ttx> server-lucid-uec-testing (kirkland)
[14:11] <kirkland> ttx: good; i have one more topo to test today
[14:11] <kirkland> ttx: will be done today
[14:11] <ttx> kirkland: ok, so you'd mark the "A2" tests completed then ?
[14:11] <Daviey> ttx / jiboumans : server-lucid-asterisk-integration is going to be less adventerous than intially planned.. defering to non-lts.
[14:11] <ttx> kirkland: and get ready to test A3 candidates early next week :)
[14:12] <kirkland> ttx: i will
[14:12] <ttx> server-lucid-seeds (zul, mathiaz)
[14:12] <zul> i think its pending on the ha stuff?
[14:12] <jiboumans> Daviey: please update the blueprint to reflect that
[14:12] <mathiaz> ttx: on track. need to check if all relevant packages have been demoted to universe
[14:12] <Daviey> jiboumans: wilco
[14:12] <ttx> the idea would be not to be pending on external specs
[14:12] <mathiaz> ttx: if not more investigation for some package may be required
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz, zul: so we coud move the ha-related stuff to cluster-stack spec
[14:13] <jiboumans> +1 on that
[14:13] <mathiaz> ttx: done
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz: your opinion on that ?
[14:13] <ttx> ok
[14:13] <ttx> that leaves ctdb as a potential target
[14:13] <ttx> and the triplecheck everything was done.
[14:13] <ttx> Medium specs < 60% completion
[14:13] <ttx> server-lucid-daily-vcs (zul)
[14:13] <ttx> zul: anythig blocking, or on track ?
[14:13] <zul> on track
[14:14] <ttx> still planning to complete all of it by A3 ?
[14:14] <zul> i hope to get most of it done by a3
[14:14] <ttx> As a general note, try to reflect the work you're doing with work items completion, even if that means rewriting them as you go
[14:15] <ttx> i.e. if you're 90% done on one item but blocking on the remaining 10%,; makes sense to split it between a DONE and a INPROGRESS item
[14:15] <ttx> gives everyone confidence the thing is moving
[14:16] <ttx> jiboumans: I think I'm done, anything to add ?
[14:16] <jiboumans> nope, let's move on
[14:16] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Boto 1.9 vs Boto 1.8 for euca2ools (smoser/ttx)
[14:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Boto 1.9 vs Boto 1.8 for euca2ools (smoser/ttx)
[14:16]  * nijaba waves at ivoks
[14:16] <ttx> we'll go back to cluster-stack in Open Discussion, time permitting
[14:16]  * ivoks o/
[14:17] <ttx> summary of issue: euca2ools is certified with boto 1.8 and we ship boto 1.9
[14:17] <ttx> three options:
[14:17] <smoser> we have no known issues without fixes.
[14:17] <ttx> 1/ Fix bugs a they come up, as its not black magic
[14:17] <ttx> 2/ Revert to 1.8, and be stuck with an old lib
[14:17] <ttx> 3/ Ship both (if that's possible ?)
[14:17] <jiboumans> -1 on option 2
[14:18] <ttx> Wated to have input on how feasible (3) was
[14:18] <ttx> Wanted, even
[14:18] <ttx> Eucalytpus came up with a list, but it's hardly comprehensive
[14:18] <jiboumans> will upstream take the patches if we do 1/ ?
[14:18] <zul> does ec2-init depend on boto 1.9?
[14:18] <smoser> well i'm sure there are examples of other python libraries with 2 versions in main.
[14:18] <ttx> zul: no
[14:18] <smoser> s/ec2-init/cloud-init/ does not depend on boto 1.9
[14:18] <ttx> zul: but we want to ship with an uptodate boto
[14:19] <ttx> smoser: so you +1 option (1), I gather
[14:19] <zul> gotcha
[14:19] <smoser> i really favor 1
[14:19] <zul> i like 3 but 1 makes more sense
[14:19] <ttx> mathiaz: would (2) or (3) need to be done pre-FF ?
[14:20] <ttx> (if yes, sounds like a sensible case for requestion a FFe)
[14:20] <smoser> we really *should* be fairly confident at this point that our euca2ools are reasonably sufficient, as we use them for our testing of eucalyptus.
[14:20] <kirkland> ttx: i would +1   on option 1, if we can get Eucalyptus on board with us
[14:20] <kirkland> ttx: it's tough going against them on this, though
[14:20] <mathiaz> hm - (3) would be a good candidate for a FFe
[14:20] <jiboumans> smoser: will upstream take the patches if we do 1/ ?
[14:20] <mathiaz> I would be reluctant to grant a FFe for (2)
[14:20] <ttx> kirkland: they have been very much against option (1)
[14:20] <smoser> in each of the 3 cases I'm aware of, It hasn't taken me more than a couple hours to identify the root cause of a bug and come up with a 1.8 or 1.9 compatible fix.
[14:21] <smoser> jiboumans, upstream as Eucalyptus has taken 2 of the 3.  I think they've just not looked at the 3rd yet.
[14:21] <jiboumans> so that makes 1 and 3 viable still
[14:21] <smoser> actually the 3rd (bug 520707) is most easily fixed in boto. much harder to fix it in euca2ools.
[14:22] <smoser> but the "real fix" is in Eucalyptus
[14:22] <ttx> ok, so I think we can go (1) and use (3) as a fallback if hell breaks loose
[14:22] <ttx> *but*
[14:22] <jiboumans> ttx: +1
[14:22] <ttx> we need to do some test coverage ourselves as well, or convince eucalyptus to run it for us
[14:22] <ttx> so that (3) is done asap if we decide it's necessary
[14:23] <ttx> getting "some bugs" is not good enough. We need to get "the bugs"
[14:23] <mathiaz> part of the uec-testing spec was to write more test for the euca commands
[14:23] <mathiaz> it boils down to writing more tests for whatever test framework/scripts we go with
[14:23] <ttx> mathiaz: ack
[14:23] <mathiaz> there are ~30 commands IIRC
[14:23] <ttx> other comments ?
[14:24] <smoser> its terribly easy to replace the boto that euca2ools use and test with one or the other
[14:24] <smoser> export PYTHONPATH=$PWD/boto-1.9b
[14:24] <kirkland> perhaps we should keep a boto-1.8 in a PPA?
[14:25] <ttx> kirkland: yes, makes sense
[14:25] <kirkland> like a 50lb bag of rice in a fallout shelter :-)
[14:25] <ttx> ok, moving on...
[14:25] <jiboumans> skipping this weeks 'Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren, hggdh)' -- neither are available today
[14:25] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:25] <jjohansen> well I don't think I have anything new
[14:26] <jjohansen> smoser how are the new kernels working out?
[14:26] <jiboumans> i was wondering exactly that :)
[14:26]  * smoser claps, as we have -virtual and -ec2 kernels without ramdisks booting
[14:26] <zul> yay!
[14:26] <jiboumans> jjohansen++ smoser++ nice one
[14:26] <mathiaz> smoser: have you looket at the bug I reported about images not working on UEC?
[14:27] <ttx> smoser: pre-A3 cloud images are looking good so far ? Haven't tested them yet
[14:27] <mathiaz> smoser: is this related to the kernel or something else is wrong?
[14:27] <smoser> i think its not related, bug 522292 is to be mentioned there, but I do not think it is related.
[14:27] <smoser> ttx, they boot and run well on ec2.
[14:27] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ - doesn't work on UEC though
[14:27] <smoser> mathiaz, i think its error, somehow the file not getting registered correctly.
[14:27] <ttx> mathiaz: ok, will have a look into that
[14:28] <smoser> maybe tomorrow, as other feature work is done, i'll try to install euca here to have more easily testable.
[14:29] <jiboumans> anything else on the kernel?
[14:29] <ttx> no
[14:29] <jiboumans> thanks jjohansen
[14:29] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Papercuts (ttx)
[14:29] <ttx> OK, I hope everyone had the time to quickly look at this week's candidates :)
[14:30] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[14:30] <ttx> Let's fdo the +1 +0 -1 game again
[14:30] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/56679
[14:30] <ttx> -1 (installer issue)
[14:30] <jiboumans> -1
[14:30] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/79371
[14:30] <ttx> +1...
[14:31] <zul> shouldnt it be converted to upstart?
[14:31] <ttx> zul: that's a way to fix it
[14:31] <zul> +1 then
[14:31] <ttx> zul: thanks for volunteering :P
[14:31] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/165184
[14:31] <ttx> +1, worst case as a doc thing
[14:31] <ivoks> huh?
[14:32] <ttx> since it didn't really reach clear consensus
[14:32] <ttx> ivoks: if use_bayes=0 or something
[14:32] <ivoks> that's a doc thing
[14:32] <jiboumans> +1 # doc fixes are cheap
[14:32] <zul> +1
[14:32] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/182572
[14:32] <mathiaz> +1
[14:32] <ttx> +1
[14:33] <zul> +1
[14:33] <ttx> I kinda like this one :)
[14:33] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/211915
[14:33] <zul> fix is upstream
[14:33] <ttx> this one had me go uh?
[14:33] <ivoks> i'll take a look at it
[14:33] <ttx> +0
[14:33] <zul> -1
[14:34] <ivoks> +/-0
[14:34] <ttx> let's keep it for next week
[14:34] <ivoks> :)
[14:34] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/269251
[14:34] <ttx> +1...
[14:34] <ttx> ivoks: my understanding is that you already have a fix in PPA
[14:34] <zul> not an easy fix imho
[14:35] <ivoks> that was a year ago, i have to look at it
[14:35] <jiboumans> +1
[14:35] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/321091
[14:35] <ttx> same for this one, +1...
[14:35] <jiboumans> let's speed this up a bit
[14:36] <ivoks> ttx: +1 same problem as the previous one
[14:36] <jiboumans> +1
[14:36] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/325109
[14:36] <ttx> +1 (same)
[14:36] <ivoks> unfixable
[14:36] <ttx> ah
[14:36] <ttx> -1 then :)
[14:36] <ivoks> we could recommend sql installation by default
[14:36] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/427701
[14:36] <ttx> +1
[14:37] <zul> +1
[14:37] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/454566
[14:37] <ttx> +0, not sure we should change lousy rootkit detection rules blindly
[14:38] <zul> -1
[14:38] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/494380
[14:38]  * nealmcb looks around, sleepy-eyed
[14:38] <ttx> +1
[14:38] <zul> +1
[14:38] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/495372
[14:38] <ttx> -1 not a papercut
[14:38] <zul> -1 not a papercut
[14:38] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508382
[14:38]  * ivoks hides
[14:38] <zul> +1
[14:38] <ttx> +0
[14:39] <ttx> not so sure about the fix
[14:39] <ttx> OK, I'll update status accordingly
[14:39] <ivoks> build without support for SSL, i guess
[14:39] <ttx> that makes ~20 nominees
[14:40] <ttx> with 5 weeks between A3 and beta2freeze
[14:40]  * ivoks takes bacula and amavisd-new
[14:40] <ttx> I think we should target 5 bugs fixed every week
[14:40] <jiboumans> ivoks++
[14:40] <ttx> ivoks: that's about half of them ! thanks !
[14:40] <ivoks> you all owe me a six pack
[14:40] <ivoks> :)
[14:40]  * kirkland passes ivoks a cold one
[14:40]  * jiboumans starts working out
[14:41] <alexm> ivoks: sorry for bringing you a lot of extra work, let me know if i can help somehow
[14:41] <zul> ivoks: sure the finest american swill coming up ;)
[14:41] <ttx> should we atregt 5/week ? or 6 to have some room for new ones ?
[14:41] <jiboumans> the latter -- more *will* come ;)
[14:41] <Daviey> I think we should have capacity to allow more papercuts this cycle.
[14:41] <ttx> Or I'll just attach all of them to the blueprint and we'll follow completion there
[14:42] <jiboumans> soudns like a plan
[14:42] <jiboumans> moving on
[14:42] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz)
[14:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz)
[14:42] <mathiaz> there aren't any bugs nominated for this week
[14:42] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:42] <mathiaz> ^^ anything SRU worth on this list?
[14:43] <jiboumans> going once...
[14:43] <ttx> no
[14:43] <zul> the php one maybe
[14:44]  * ivoks ignores sru for now
[14:44] <mathiaz> allright - then - that's all for now
[14:44]  * ttx ignores importance:undecided ones :P
[14:44] <mathiaz> for the SRU review
[14:44] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:44] <jiboumans> ttx: you wanted to get back to cluster stack?
[14:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: my good friend!
[14:44] <ttx> Back to the cluster-stack spec, wanted to get some pre-FF status from ivoks
[14:44] <ivoks> eh, beat me
[14:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's up with the cluster stack?
[14:44] <ttx> ivoks: looks like you have a few things to complete by the end of today :P
[14:45] <ivoks> as you know, we usually don't need MIRs completed before FF
[14:45] <jmdault> If anyone has the time, I need some feedback/sponsoring for Asterisk
[14:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: are all the packages ready in your PPA?
[14:45] <ivoks> but the thing is that once cluster stack is in main, we could change couple of main packages
[14:45] <jiboumans> jmdault: definitely -- let's discuss right after the cluster stack
[14:45] <ivoks> mathiaz: yeah, i just need to change versions
[14:45] <jmdault> jiboumans: great
[14:45] <ttx> ivoks: what about "create cluster task for tasksel: TODO" ?
[14:45] <ivoks> mathiaz: they are -ubuntu0ppaX for now
[14:46] <ttx> ivoks: sounds like a real feature to me
[14:46] <ivoks> ttx: that's a really easy one and can be completed in 5 minutes
[14:46] <ivoks> ttx: but it can't happen before everything is in main
[14:46] <ivoks> my plan is to finish mirs asap (like in couple of hours)
[14:47] <ivoks> and then i'll need push if that's ok with everybody (security etc) to get them in main before FF
[14:47] <ttx> ivoks: ok, so you still plan to complete it by tahiti's EOD wednesday ?
[14:47] <ivoks> mirs? yes
[14:47] <ttx> the tasksel thing should get a FFe, I think
[14:48] <ivoks> then just a sync from my ppa would be enough
[14:48] <ivoks> ttx: +1
[14:48] <ivoks> tasksel thing, ocfs2-tools and lvm2
[14:48] <ivoks> that can go in FFe
[14:48] <ivoks> everything else before FFe
[14:48] <ivoks> FF
[14:48] <ivoks> i reserved my time today to finish everything
[14:49] <ttx> ivoks: cool
[14:49] <ttx> nothing else from me
[14:49] <ivoks> there's also mail stack that just needs patches to amavis
[14:49] <nijaba> jmdault: wanted to talk about asterix
[14:49] <jiboumans> jmdault: go ahead
[14:49] <jmdault> great
[14:49] <jmdault> The packages are in my PPA
[14:49]  * jiboumans thinks nijaba read too many comics
[14:50]  * nijaba admit jiboumans is not wrong
[14:50] <jmdault> I need to know what steps to do to get them in the distro
[14:50] <ttx> The asterisk spec seems pretty far away from being feature-complete to me, looking at the blueprints work items status
[14:50] <jmdault> It's stuck at the testing status
[14:50] <jmdault> Packages work individually
[14:50] <jmdault> But we need to test the integration
[14:51] <jiboumans> jmdault: it's missing a tasksel, meta packages, gui according to the spec
[14:51] <jmdault> The gui is there
[14:51] <jiboumans> daviey, jmdault: is htat what you're intending to cut?
[14:51] <ttx> "Create tasksel in server for pbx install: TODO" I don't think this one is wanted, since asterisk would not be in main ?
[14:51] <Daviey> jiboumans: I do not believe the integration can be seemless for lucid.
[14:51] <ttx> the metapackage should take care of the "easy install" part, right
[14:51] <jmdault> yes
[14:52] <jmdault> ttx is right
[14:52] <Daviey> ttx: err, mythtv has some tasksel options and that is universe.
[14:52] <nijaba> Daviey: yep, but not a server task that shows up in the installer
[14:52] <jmdault> anyways, the tasksel should just install the meta package
[14:52] <nijaba> Daviey: taskel -s IIRC
[14:53] <ttx> jmdault: so what do you expect FFe for ?
[14:53] <jmdault> Right now, the packages are in my PPA
[14:54] <ttx> so it's a question of review / upload ?
[14:54] <jmdault> yes
[14:54] <jmdault> I can live without the tasksel
[14:54] <jiboumans> anyone with a few spare cycles to give jmdault a hand?
[14:54] <jmdault> But we need to have at least the dahdi and asterisk packages uploaded ASAP
[14:54] <Daviey> jmdault: can you produce a diff or debdiff please?
[14:54] <ttx> our time is getting limited unfortunately
[14:55]  * Daviey will take this out of band with jmdault 
[14:55] <jmdault> Daviey: great
[14:55] <ttx> Daviey++
[14:55] <jiboumans> daviey++ indeed
[14:55] <jmdault> thankx
[14:55] <jiboumans> jmdault: anythign else on asterisk we should discuss here and now?
[14:55] <ttx> jmdault: maybe stgraber can have a look at your packages as well
[14:55] <jmdault> jiboumans: no
[14:56] <jiboumans> ok, any other topics?
[14:56] <jiboumans> going once..
[14:56] <jiboumans> .. twice..
[14:56] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Next meeting Wednesday, Feb 24th, 1400 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[14:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next meeting Wednesday, Feb 24th, 1400 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[14:56] <jiboumans> thanks all for your time
[14:56] <jiboumans> #endmeeting
[14:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:56.
[14:57] <ivoks> ok, let's work
[14:57] <ttx> long day ahead :)
[14:59] <Daviey> \o/
[15:56] <Keybuk> ev: activity report?
[15:56] <ev> sending now
[15:57] <Keybuk> slangasek: you too ;-)
[16:00] <lool> Hey folks!
[16:01] <tremolux> lool: howdy lool!
[16:02] <lool> cjwatson is on leave
[16:03] <Keybuk> #startmeeting
[16:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is Keybuk.
[16:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <lool> I think doko might be at PyCon or something
[16:03] <Keybuk> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0217
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0217
[16:03] <Keybuk> Hey folks
[16:03] <Keybuk> Agenda at the usual URL
[16:03] <Keybuk> I'm guessing Barry might be at PyCon too?
[16:03] <Keybuk> it seems like his kind of thing
[16:03] <tremolux> Keybuk: he is, yes
[16:04] <lool> Keybuk: :)
[16:04] <lool> james_w, slangasek: around?
[16:04] <james_w> hi
[16:05] <lool> mvo: w00t
[16:05] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:05] <Keybuk> order: me, lool, tremolux, ev, mvo, james_w, slangasek
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:05] <Keybuk> I've been working (shockingly) on boot performance all week
[16:05] <Keybuk> as you may have seen, we're getting very close
[16:05] <Keybuk> 10.83s is the lowest number so far :-)
[16:05] <Keybuk> --
[16:05] <lool> That's to gdm with rotating storage?
[16:05] <Keybuk> lool: no
[16:06] <lool> Focus on fixing various issues with ARM related tools; killed a bunch of FTBFSes
[16:06] <lool> --
[16:07] <mvo> hi
[16:07] <tremolux> Finished up presentation of individual sofware sources feature in Software Center, it's landed.
[16:07] <tremolux> Now working on back/forward navigation feature, making good progress.  Working to get it ready to go for FF.
[16:07] <tremolux> Also working on two bugs for s-c tagged for alpha-3.
[16:07] <tremolux> (done)
[16:08] <tremolux> mvo: heya!
[16:08] <ev> Adding some polish to the installer at the design team's request, unbreaking things after the plugins conversion, working through some finer points of the installer design specification (gtk doesn't make my life easy - need to write a new layout widget), trying to sort out shoving usb-creator inside wubi per a request from Mark, looking for bugs to fix before I head to Pycon tomorrow.
[16:08] <ev> (done)
[16:09] <mvo> working on software-center ratings&reviews, wrote prototype django backend server (now that we know that launchpad will not be used), in discussions how to do authentication, moderation etc
[16:09] <mvo> updating python-apt, apt
[16:09] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <james_w> Yay for feature freeze
[16:09] <james_w> writing features, fixing bugs, merging code, talking to LP developers
[16:10] <james_w> (done)
[16:10] <mvo> ha! I did the same :)
[16:10] <Keybuk> I have a feeling that slangasek is fast asleep
[16:11] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:11] <Keybuk>   * mvo to add Bug:506709 to sprint agenda
[16:11] <Keybuk> seems to be still on the list?
[16:11] <mvo> eh, I think we can remove that now
[16:11] <Keybuk> ok
[16:12] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:12] <Keybuk> I guess today is the day ...
[16:12] <mvo> I will probably need one for ratings&reviews, just as a early warning
[16:13] <Keybuk> anyone else got any bad feelings?
[16:14] <Keybuk> no? :)
[16:14] <james_w> I'll probably realise that were are in dire need of a new bzr-builddeb feature in about 24 hours :-)
[16:14] <ev> I might need some for things design want, but nothing specific yet
[16:14] <Keybuk> I may end up with a couple of small ones for extra tenths of second
[16:14] <slangasek> more instant-shake asleep
[16:15] <james_w> morning slangasek
[16:15] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:15]  * slangasek waves
[16:15] <Keybuk> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21445
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21445
[16:16] <Keybuk> anything alarming on there?
[16:16] <Keybuk> I see a lot of ARM :p
[16:16] <lool> I didn't do it!
[16:16] <james_w> I'm entirely focused on bzr-related stuff at the moment, so don't have hardly any bugs assigned to me at all. Therefore I might be able to help you out if you are drowning for a particular milestone
[16:17] <Keybuk> ok, quiet here too :p
[16:18] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Good News?
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News?
[16:18] <Keybuk> either we're all in a state of shock, or this feature freeze seems a little relaxed
[16:18] <Keybuk> which is it? :p
[16:18] <lool> ev: Is g-i desired for lucid?
[16:18] <lool> Like nice to have or somethiing
[16:19] <ev> g-i?
[16:19] <slangasek> g-i being the gtk d-i frontend
[16:19] <lool> graphical installer
[16:19] <ev> ah
[16:19] <ev> I certainly don't care about it.  I know Colin has a certain affinity for it though.
[16:19] <lool> (I was wondering WRT to feature freeze, since cjwatson followed the discussions there and mentionned a while ago that it might be of interest to ubuntu)
[16:20] <lool> ev: ok thanks
[16:20] <james_w> hamster-applet and gtg are pretty nice
[16:21] <james_w> the former made writing my activity report a breeze this week
[16:21] <Keybuk> who wants to chair next week?
[16:22] <tremolux> how about me?  I haven't yet
[16:22] <Keybuk> tremolux: ok! :)
[16:22] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:23] <james_w> none from me
[16:23] <Keybuk> ok
[16:23] <Keybuk> #endmeeting
[16:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:23.
[16:23] <Keybuk> thanks all
[16:23] <mvo> thanks
[16:23] <tremolux> thanks, see ya
[16:24] <ev> thanks!
[16:24] <lool> wee
[16:58]  * marjo waves
[16:58]  * ara waves
[16:59]  * fader_ waves.
[16:59] <bdmurray> \o/
[17:00] <marjo> #startmeeting QA Team
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is marjo.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <marjo> hi folks!
[17:00] <marjo> Agenda
[17:00] <marjo> # Introduce Carlos De Avillez (Marjo)
[17:00] <marjo> #
[17:00] <marjo> nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing (Update: Reports available) -- ara
[17:01] <marjo> [TOPIC] Introducing Carlos De Avillez
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Introducing Carlos De Avillez
[17:01] <hggdh_> er. Hello folks ;-)
[17:01] <marjo> folks: please help me welcome Carlos (hggdh) to the Ubuntu Platform QA Team as the Server QA Engineer
[17:01] <ara> hggdh_, welcome to the mad house!
[17:02] <fader_> hggdh_: Welcome!
[17:02] <marjo> you will all recognize him through his nick
[17:02] <bdmurray> hggdh_: hey, welcome aboard
[17:02]  * hggdh_ feels welcome, although still a bit lost
[17:03] <marjo> hggdh: would you like to do a short intro?
[17:03] <hggdh_> yes, np
[17:03] <hggdh_> Although most of you already know it, I have some long years in this business, most of it with proprietary software
[17:04] <hggdh_> I have done many different things, from basic software (O.S.) development to support.
[17:05] <hggdh_> which means QA also. But this is the first time I am actually pure QA
[17:05] <hggdh_> so... I am yours to use & abuse, but tenderly, if you don't mind
[17:05] <marjo> hggdh: you shoudn't have said that
[17:06] <marjo> welcome!
[17:06] <hggdh> thank you.
[17:06] <marjo> [TOPIC] nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing (Update: Reports available) -- ara
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing (Update: Reports available) -- ara
[17:06] <ara> Hello
[17:07] <ara> as I told last week, we have started with the weekly proprietary drivers testing
[17:07] <ara> reports are being generated daily
[17:07] <ara> and they are available at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/
[17:07] <ara> [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/
[17:07] <ara> (in case any one is interested in the results)
[17:08] <fader_> ara: I haven't submitted anything yet but still plan to this week... it's not too late is it? :)
[17:08] <ara> fader_, no, you have all week :)
[17:08] <fader_> \o/
[17:08] <hggdh> I am. My ATI is not working since start of Lucid
[17:08] <ara> hggdh, yes, no drivers yet
[17:09]  * hggdh is starting to feel deep love for Intel chips
[17:09] <ara> and that's it. I just wanted to let everyone else know
[17:09] <marjo> ara: thx
[17:10] <marjo> folks: that's all we have on the posted agenda
[17:11] <marjo> are there new topics?
[17:11] <bdmurray> I gave a class on bug triage last week to the Greater Seattle LUG.
[17:11] <bdmurray> http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/bug-triage-101/
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/bug-triage-101/
[17:11] <bdmurray> Not that you all need to watch it but I thought it might be a useful resource to tell others about.
[17:12] <ara> bdmurray, indeed
[17:12] <hggdh> and nigelnb already added it to the BugSquad wiki
[17:13] <marjo> bdmurray: thx for sharing that
[17:14] <marjo> folks: anything else for today?
[17:14] <davmor2> sorry to interrupt ara nvidia still has the enter issue for me  only bigger issue is I can't hit enter in terminal so I can't bug it
[17:15] <bdmurray> At the sprint weren't we talking about adding a FAQ to qa.ubuntu.com?
[17:15] <fader_> davmor2: We've reproduced the same thing in the Montreal lab, though we preseed sshd so we're able to ssh into those machines and gather data
[17:15] <fader_> davmor2: So there's a bug somewhere... I can dig up the number if you're interested
[17:15] <davmor2> fader_: please
[17:16] <fader_> davmor2: One moment
[17:18] <fader_> davmor2: bug 522692
[17:20] <davmor2> ta
[17:22] <ara> have we lost the meeting chair?
[17:22] <marjo> folks: anything else?
[17:22] <hggdh> back to bdmurray: will there be a FAQ for QA?
[17:23] <bdmurray> The context was answering the same questions on the ubuntu-qa mailing list
[17:24] <fader_> bdmurray: I started pulling something together for that but it's been a low priority for me
[17:25] <fader_> And then I saw that it's mostly already on the QA site, though it could possibly be a bit more prominent
[17:25] <bdmurray> okay, fair enough
[17:26] <marjo> bdmurray, fader: any suggestions on next steps?
[17:26] <bdmurray> maybe a bug report to track the progress?
[17:26] <bdmurray> or so we don't forget ;-)
[17:27] <fader_> marjo: Not at the moment; I'll stick it in my calendar to look at this weekend and see what suggestions I come up with
[17:27] <marjo> fader_: ok, thx; will follow up next week
[17:28] <marjo> folks: any other topics?
[17:29] <marjo> ok, if nothing else, i propose we adjourn the meeting
[17:29] <marjo> going once
[17:29] <marjo> twice
[17:29] <marjo> meeting adjourned
[17:29] <marjo> thx folks!
[17:29] <marjo> #endmeeting
[17:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:30.
[19:00] <highvoltage> Good evening!
[19:01] <mgariepy> hi
[19:01] <Lns> good morning ;)
[19:01] <alkisg> Good evening
[19:01] <sbalneav> o/
[19:01] <sbalneav> present
[19:02]  * stgraber waves
[19:02] <alkisg> future
[19:02] <Lns> lol
[19:02] <highvoltage> Agenda is quite simple, it's up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[19:02] <highvoltage> anything else that we should add to the agenda?
[19:03] <stgraber> artwork, website, bugday ?
[19:03] <stgraber> oh, bug day is already there
[19:03] <alkisg> Woohoo, LTSP live :)
[19:03] <highvoltage> bug day is there, I'll add the others
[19:04] <highvoltage> ok let's kick it off with technical.
[19:04] <stgraber> ok, guess I'll start then
[19:04] <stgraber> for the daily DVD, it started to work again yesterday
[19:04]  * sbalneav has something to add to technical
[19:05] <stgraber> we now have daily builds, including over 130 different languages, the LTSP packages on the DVD, the netbook packages on the DVD, the menu editor and updated artwork
[19:05] <highvoltage> thanks for doing so once again stgraber
[19:05] <stgraber> I haven't tried to install it though but everything else seems to work quite nicely
[19:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: this was kde language packs related right?
[19:05] <stgraber> KDE is working (though slightly broken) and the langpacks are fixed
[19:05] <stgraber> nope, it was some KDE game (parley) that was breaking everything
[19:05] <stgraber> I had to make LP rebuild it to fix the DVD + nag ArneGoetje about some langpacks :)
[19:06] <nixternal> hola
[19:06] <Riddell> what was parley breaking?
[19:06] <highvoltage> hola senor nixternal
[19:07] <stgraber> Riddell: it was simply not installing a week or so ago as it was depending on an old version of some library. Clicking rebuild in LP fixed the issue
[19:08] <nixternal> was on the phone
[19:08] <stgraber> I guess it's pretty much it for the DVD, only remaining items are the netbook interface and LTSP live
[19:08]  * mhall119|work is here now
[19:08] <highvoltage> *nod*
[19:09] <highvoltage> ltsp-scripts for live cd isn't such a monster, but we need that ltsp squashfs
[19:09] <nixternal> plasma-netbook ftw! :)
[19:11] <highvoltage> stgraber wrote a nice blog post on the edubuntu menu editor: http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/16/say-hi-edubuntu-menu-editor
[19:11] <sbalneav> Should I interject with my stuff now?
[19:11] <highvoltage> (skipping ahead to that)
[19:12] <highvoltage> sbalneav: fire away
[19:13] <sbalneav> Ok, 2 things:
[19:14] <sbalneav> 1) more work today was done on ltspfs to squash the "everyone sees everyone elses mounts" problem.  I have something committed to the branch, and stgraber's going to cut ltsp 5.2 soon
[19:14] <sbalneav>  
[19:14] <sbalneav> TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST
[19:14] <sbalneav> please
[19:14] <stgraber> yeah ? :)
[19:14] <mhall119|work> lagging?
[19:15] <sbalneav> 2) Bug day next week
[19:15] <sbalneav> so far, only "gimp
[19:15] <sbalneav> 's" been identified
[19:15] <sbalneav> can't type today.
[19:15] <stgraber> I'll release ltsp 5.2, ldm 2.1 and ltspfs 0.6 later tonight. So all versions will be bumped and it'll be easily to track versions of our users. Just so you're all aware.
[19:15] <sbalneav> looking at the bug list, there's a few edu programs with patches.
[19:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I've been meaning to add the new edu packages we've added to your bug day request
[19:16] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I've just been completely horrible at e-mail this week since my attention has been scattered way too much
[19:16] <sbalneav> slap 'em on the packagebug page we have
[19:16] <highvoltage> sbalneav: *nod* will do
[19:16] <sbalneav> kk
[19:16] <sbalneav> that's all from me.
[19:17] <mgariepy> yesterday I added the possibility to show/hide system groups (gid < 1000) in profilemanager.
[19:17] <mgariepy> Comments also started to come in from launchpad, i'll probably have some bug fix to do soon.
[19:18] <alkisg> mgariepy: menueditor is translated directly in launchpad, right?
[19:18] <mgariepy> yes
[19:18] <alkisg> k
[19:18] <mgariepy> there is a few strings to correct thought ;)
[19:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: how are things comming along with the ltsp release today?
[19:19] <Lns> mgariepy: profile manager = sabayon?
[19:19] <mgariepy> Lns, profilemanager is part of edubuntu-menueditor
[19:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: waiting on sbalneav ;) and need to do more testing of everything else.
[19:20] <mgariepy> it does apply menu profiles to groups
[19:20] <sbalneav> stgraber: My patches are done.
[19:20] <Lns> mgariepy: oh ok :)
[19:20] <highvoltage> on the artwork front, I've updated the default wallpaper and the icon theme to Breathe
[19:20] <sbalneav> I tested my changes here, seem to work.
[19:20] <highvoltage> although I did something wrong with specifying the icon theme so it falls back to the Gnome icon theme
[19:20] <highvoltage> I'll have that fixed by friday
[19:20] <sbalneav> the /media/userid directory is now user owned, mode 700
[19:21] <Lns> woot!
[19:21] <mgariepy> sbalneav, nice :D
[19:22] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Did we switch to gartoon-redux?  Sorry, I forgot to post a screenshot somewhere :(
[19:23] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we need to get that packaged first, but the plan is to use that for the young ones
[19:23] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and the breathe-icon-theme for the old timmers
[19:23] <highvoltage> *timers
[19:24] <Lns> highvoltage: how will that be chosen, a simple gnome theme config?
[19:24] <Lns> or during install?
[19:25] <highvoltage> Lns: you'll be able to choose the default by choosing a debian task after installation
[19:25] <highvoltage> Lns: but besides that users can also choose for themselves if they aren't locked down
[19:25] <Lns> cool! :)
[19:25] <Lns> I think that's going to be a very good feature. Helps with sense of ownership
[19:25] <sbalneav> highvoltage: check my ppa.  I packaged it.
[19:26] <sbalneav> I agree.  that will be awesome.
[19:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: do we have to get it into revu or could we just review it and sponsor it?
[19:26] <stgraber> is that a package update or a new package ?
[19:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: it's not currently packaged in ubuntu (at least not the -redux theme)
[19:27] <stgraber> if that's a new package, we need it on revu today and uploaded before FF (and then hope to have it accepted ...)
[19:28] <highvoltage> hmm yes it's a new package
[19:29] <highvoltage> sbalneav: will you have any time for that today?
[19:29] <highvoltage> I know you have a lot of work to do with the LTSP release
[19:29] <sbalneav> Time for what?  putting it on revu?
[19:29] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes
[19:30] <sbalneav> I've never done that before, as I've always just had someone else handle my uploads for me, but after my meeting, I can try it.
[19:31] <highvoltage> sbalneav: thanks
[19:32] <highvoltage> on the website front, I've been way too slack on pesting dhillion-v10 and Hedgemadge. They're usually on IRC but I haven't bumped into them for the last two weeks
[19:32] <highvoltage> I'll send them both an e-mail (adding to to-do list) and ask them for an update
[19:33] <highvoltage> about 2 weeks ago they already had big parts of the work they have planned finished
[19:33] <HedgeMage> I was summoned?
[19:33] <Lns> ;)
[19:33] <highvoltage> HedgeMage!
[19:33]  * HedgeMage 's ears are ringing.
[19:33] <highvoltage> yes :)
[19:34] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: we need a website update :)
[19:35] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: (if you can give us one now)
[19:35] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Vdhillon has been really helpful in getting most of the settings stuff hacked out -- I need to do the theme and a couple of feature set-ups.  I'll be knocking some of that out in the next few days if all goes according to plan.
[19:36] <HedgeMage> (No promises, though, it's my son's birthday weekend and I'm playing catch-up after being ill)
[19:37] <highvoltage> ok, no problem! thanks for the update
[19:37] <highvoltage> anything else for Technical or Community before we move over to EC part?
[19:38] <stgraber> nothing here
[19:38] <mhall119|work> Qimo packages are in revu
[19:38]  * Lns will brb
[19:38] <mhall119|work> I'm not sure what, if anything, was planned for including Qimo stuff in Edubuntu
[19:38] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I didn't have a chance to look at them again today, but I think they should be looking quite good if you addressed all the things nixternal mentioned yesterday
[19:39] <mhall119|work> yes, I make a list of every file in the package according to license
[19:39] <sbalneav> ok, gartoon-redux uploaded to revu
[19:39] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: basically... we need to get those packages uploaded today
[19:39] <nixternal> yeah, haven't had a chance to look, been busy wrestling debian/experimental merges and some other garbage today
[19:39] <mhall119|work> also inlined the GPLv2 and cc-by-sa into debian/copyright
[19:39] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: ah great
[19:39] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: by 'we' you mean someone besides me, right?
[19:40] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: by 'we' I'm including you and whoever advocates and uploads those packages
[19:40] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: sounds like you've done your part, at least :)
[19:41] <mhall119|work> yeah, I don't know what it means to upload, and I doubt I have access to do it
[19:41] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: ok let's talk after meetting
[19:41] <highvoltage> we have 20 minutes left so let's move on to EC section
[19:41] <mhall119|work> should I dput a new version with my bug fixes, or wait until it's approved?
[19:41] <mhall119|work> ok, sure
[19:41] <highvoltage> I think this is our first EC meeting since the new EC?
[19:42] <highvoltage> shall we start with mgariepy's membership application?
[19:43] <stgraber> yep
[19:43]  * Lns is back
[19:44] <highvoltage> mgariepy: still here?
[19:44] <mgariepy> yes ;)
[19:44] <mgariepy> wouldn't miss it !
[19:44] <highvoltage> mgariepy: please tell us about yourself
[19:45] <mgariepy> My real name is Marc Gariépy. I live in Sherbrooke, QC, CA. I work for Révoluiton Linux, as a linux technician, I mostly deploy ltsp-cluster for school districts. I'm quite familiar with desktop management (gnome, kde, freedesktop.org). I am most active on Launchpad, I try to be present on IRC.
[19:45] <mgariepy> I am upstream member of ltsp (https://launchpad.net/ltsp) and ltsp-cluster(https://launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster), so I have submited/corrected a few bugs for those projects. I have contributed edubuntu-menueditor ( https://launchpad.net/menueditor) for Edubuntu, so administrator simply change menus layout on the system for differents group of users.
[19:46] <highvoltage> mgariepy: what do you mean when you say you work 'on launchpad'?
[19:46] <mgariepy> i also was at last ltsp by the sea
[19:47] <mgariepy> bug management
[19:47] <mgariepy> packaging in ppa
[19:47] <mgariepy> stuff like that
[19:48] <sbalneav> mgariepy: What's your favorite beer?
[19:48] <highvoltage> mgariepy: why would you like to be an ubuntu member?
[19:48] <mgariepy> i had a few pacakages sponsored by stgraber
[19:49] <mgariepy> sbalneav,  hmm i would say "black one from ''La mare au diable'' here in sherbrooke"
[19:49] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[19:50] <mgariepy> I want to help making ubunut better for users
[19:51] <sbalneav> stgraber knows him personally, and vouches for him.  His work's been excellent, he hangs out in the channel to answer questions.  I've met him, and he likes beer.
[19:51] <sbalneav> +1 for me.
[19:51] <Lns> +1
[19:51] <alkisg> +1
[19:51] <stgraber> +1
[19:51] <nixternal> +1
[19:51] <highvoltage> I've only known him briefly, but he's always friendly and helpful and the reasons that sbalneav pasted is plenty enough reason. +1 from me as well
[19:52] <highvoltage> mgariepy: that's 6/6, congrats!
[19:52] <mgariepy> thanks guys ;)
[19:52] <nixternal> congrats and welcome mgariepy \o/
[19:52] <Lns> woohoo! welcome mgariepy =)
[19:52] <sbalneav> So was that for ubuntu-members, or edubuntu-members.
[19:52] <mgariepy> highvoltage, i think soon we will know each other quite well
[19:53] <sbalneav> AFAIC, he should also be a member of edubuntu-dev.
[19:53] <mgariepy> \o/ < yahoo!!
[19:53] <highvoltage> mgariepy: *nod* :)
[19:53] <stgraber> sbalneav: edubuntu-members which in turn gives ubuntu-members
[19:53] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes, we'll do that once edubuntu-dev is sorted out
[19:53] <stgraber> sbalneav: we cleared edubuntu-dev, we'll have that team approved next week, then will review who will be in the team
[19:53] <stgraber> sbalneav: we need to do that in step or the team won't be accepted for upload in archive
[19:54] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I added it to the developer-membership-board agenda, but I was an idiot, it was supposed to be on the TB agenda. that's happening next week at least
[19:54] <highvoltage> ok, one more item...
[19:54] <highvoltage> one moment please...
[19:55] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Council
[19:55] <highvoltage> we need to choose a chairman or leader (or find a reason why we won't have one)
[19:56] <highvoltage> since the EC has an evil number of members we also need to decide what happens in the even of a split vote
[19:56] <nixternal> chairman/leader for?
[19:56] <highvoltage> uhm, s/evil/even/
[19:56] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh, whot put that requirement ?
[19:56] <stgraber> ah, ok
[19:56] <highvoltage> nixternal: we were asked this by the CC before... and yesterday...
[19:56] <highvoltage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/378574/
[19:56] <nixternal> ahh yeah
[19:56] <highvoltage> ^^^ seems like they care for the edubuntu-dev group as well
[19:57] <highvoltage> I'm not sure how much a requirement it is, I think we're doing quite well at the moment
[19:57] <sbalneav> In the event of ties, my vote counts for .5 :)
[19:57] <nixternal> lol
[19:58] <highvoltage> I wondered about co-leadership but that wouldn't necessarily help for tie-votes
[19:58] <sbalneav> as for leader, I nominate either hv or stg
[19:58] <sbalneav> off to my meeting.
[19:58] <stgraber> we already have a special case of highvoltage and I, as we are "release managers" for eduubuntu
[19:58] <Lns> bye sbalneav
[19:58] <highvoltage> stgraber: that's different that having a leader or chairman right?
[19:58] <stgraber> yeah
[19:59] <nixternal> I say, every meeting where the EC needs to vote on something, one of us will be the chair for the meeting if needed, and the chair will not vote?
[19:59] <nixternal> I really don't see a tie vote happening anytime soon, but just in case
[19:59] <nixternal> we draw straws or rock-scisors-paper
[19:59] <highvoltage> nixternal: I'm fine with that. or perhaps having the chair being able to swing the vote either way in the case of a tie
[20:00] <Lns> rotating chair sounds good to me =)
[20:00] <highvoltage> nixternal: rock-scissors-paper-spock-lizard
[20:00] <nixternal> well, if all 6 of us show up, 1 chair, 5 voting members would be no tie, but in case 5 of us show up, then there would be no chair
[20:00] <highvoltage> shall we do it alphabetically by irc nickname?
[20:00] <Lns> highvoltage: haha, was just thinking that =p
[20:01] <nixternal> highvoltage: that works
[20:01] <highvoltage> ok, I'll add it so and send it to the edubuntu-devel list before sending it to the CC
[20:01]  * alkisg doesn't think that he qualifies as a chairman, and would gladly pass his turn to the next alphabetical person :)
[20:01] <highvoltage> that should sort us out for everrything we need for our edubuntu-dev rights as well
[20:01] <nixternal> and the chair will only be used in the case where all 6 are present? or do we always keep a chair, and if 6 aren't present, send the vote to the mailing list if there is a split vote
[20:02] <nixternal> I think if there is a quorum, then it wouldn't need to be passed on
[20:02] <highvoltage> alkisg: don't worry, it's not that often we fundamentally disagree on something to the level that it causes a split vote :)
[20:02] <Lns> it's mainly going to be for technicalities anyway, we might as well just say "you're it" each time, i don't see any harm
[20:03] <highvoltage> nixternal: so that's basically a question on quorum right?
[20:03] <nixternal> I guess so
[20:04] <highvoltage> nixternal: our EC charter says that a quorum will be 3 members. so as far as I understand, if there are 3 members present and they all say +1 then it shall be so, however...
[20:05] <highvoltage> nixternal: that was decided for an EC of 5, and we're 6 now. perhaps it should be 6 instead?
[20:05] <highvoltage> I mean, 4
[20:05] <nixternal> so quorum should be 4
[20:05] <nixternal> yes
[20:06] <highvoltage> stgraber, sbalneav, Lns, alkisg: you concur?
[20:06]  * alkisg agrees
[20:06] <stgraber> +1
[20:06] <Lns> me too
[20:06] <highvoltage> I'll send the proposed changes to the list anyway
[20:07] <highvoltage> ok great. that means we can finally finalise our Edubuntu Council page and all our outstanding issues with CC will be dealt with
[20:07] <highvoltage> anything else for this meeting? (we are currently 7 minutes over but at least we're not stepping on anyone yet)
[20:08] <stgraber> nothing here
[20:08] <highvoltage> going once....
[20:08] <highvoltage> going twice....
[20:08] <highvoltage> *BONG*
[20:09] <highvoltage> thanks everyone! edubuntu is growing nicely and thanks for everyone who's making it happen!
[20:09] <highvoltage> we'll continue in #edubuntu...
[20:09] <nixternal> woohoo
[20:09] <stgraber> thanks everyone
[20:09] <Lns> thx all
[20:10] <alkisg> Bye!
[20:10] <mgariepy> thanks all ;)