[11:51] <iJonny> Hello...
[12:08] <persia> Hey.
[12:20] <iJonny> Anyone on here using ubuntu mobile yet :?
[17:04] <didrocks> Hey,
[17:05] <didrocks> can I upload netbook-launcher-efl removing the C/R which is uneeded? (I want to make netbook-launcher recommends netbook-launcher-efl as this one can now launch it if there is no 3D acceleration detected)
[17:28] <persia> didrocks: Go ahead, if they no longer C/R
[17:28] <persia> didrocks: It's probably work leaving the C/R, and just versioning it though.
[17:29] <didrocks> persia: ok, I'll do that way, thanks
[17:30] <persia> didrocks: Just as a guideline, we don't tend to be very proprietary about packages we use, and lots of stuff ends up being experiments to see how it works: if you have an improvement for anything, please just do it (although if you want to consult with others, we're happy to do that too)
[17:32] <didrocks> persia: ok, I was really thinking netbook-launcher-efl was a mobile thing first. I'll just need sponsoring as I'm still just a MOTU with GNOME package set right. But I'll find someone :)
[17:32] <persia> It is kinda a mobile thing, because lots of handhelds don't have enough GPU (or we don't have drivers) to handle full netbook-launcher
[17:33] <persia> But, like I said, we don't tend to be proprietary about packages: we're more focused on improving the general experience on smaller systems, rather than on specicific software.
[17:34] <persia> For this cycle, lots of focus has been on ARM processors, because there's only a very few Intel-based handhelds available right now.
[17:35] <persia> So don't be surprised if you see a patch fixing a FTBFS or providing optimisation in a Desktop package (as we also tend to assume other people aren't proprietary about packages)
[17:36] <persia> didrocks: Thinking about it, do you know a good reason why netbook-launcher-2D isn't in the ubuntu-desktop set?  I thought there was a shared ubuntu-netbook seed for all architectures.
[17:36]  * persia double-checks
[17:38] <didrocks> persia: oh, I'm not sure at all, I guess it should be. I didn't checked to be honest
[17:40] <persia> didrocks: There might also be a bit of confusion regarding seeds and sets.
[17:40] <persia> didrocks: If you're looking at dual-installability, you may want to drop the [armel] tag in the seed anyway :)
[17:41] <persia> But it's probably worth a mail to the TB.  If there isn't a separate dev team for the netbook seed, there ought be, and you ought be in it :)
[17:41] <persia> (or at least an upload permission, and DMB can add people)
[17:45] <didrocks> persia: agreed. Let's first try to fix the C/R issue and then, we will see for the paperwork past FF :)
[17:45] <persia> heh, yeah :)
[17:46] <persia> didrocks: I'd recommend trying to upload, and seeking sponsorship if it fails.
[17:46] <persia> (unless you know a better way to test for sure)
[17:46] <didrocks> persia: right, asac anwsered too on #ubuntu-dekstop: do you want to do it or I try to upload?
[17:47] <persia> didrocks: I've less upload permissions than you: I have no package-sets beyond MOTU.
[17:47] <persia> (modulo a paperwork issue)
[17:48] <didrocks> ok :)
[20:45] <iJonny_> hello...
[20:46] <iJonny_> wonder if anyone could help me with a ubuntu-mobile & pda question :?
[20:48] <iJonny_> im tryin to flash a pda someone gave me so that i cam put ubuntu-mobile on it...  The pda comes up as a pda n not a drive or drive letter...  Anyone know how i can install the .img file onto the pda over windows mobile ;?
[20:56] <persia> Well, which model?
[20:56] <persia> What processor?
[20:59] <iJonny_> its a MEDION
[20:59] <iJonny_> running windows mobile 4.20 atm...
[21:16] <persia> Sorry, I can't find specs from a quick search .
[21:17] <persia> But anyway, the best place to find out how to replace the OS is usually a hardware hacking site dedicated to the specific hardware.
[21:17] <persia> Once you can figure out how to run Linux at all, running Ubuntu is just a matter of starting with an Ubuntu filesystem.
[21:17] <persia> If it's an ARM based device, rootstock is a good tool for this.
[21:18] <persia> If it's an x86-based device, ubuntu-virtual-builder is probably closest (I should do some more research here).
[21:22] <iJonny_> ok thanks for your help...
[21:22] <iJonny_> ill keep looking :))
[22:54] <persia> rbelem: Last chance on -default-settings (as we'll need an exception to the freeze otherwise)
[22:56] <rbelem> persia, i think it's better put -default-settings in the ppa
[22:56] <persia> rbelem: That works for me.  Just wanted to make sure.
[22:56] <rbelem> :-)
[22:56] <persia> rbelem: In that case, we'll target everything for the PPA for lucid.  Works for you?
[22:57] <rbelem> persia, yep! agreed 
[22:57] <persia> ian_brasil: Just FYI ^^
[22:58] <persia> rbelem: So, when you have some stuff ready, poke me, and I'll take a look re: packaging style, etc.
[22:58] <persia> Also, feel free to ask me if you have any questions, etc.
[22:58] <rbelem> cool!
[22:58] <rbelem> thanks persia :-)
[22:58] <persia> No problem.  The ideas I heard at UDS were great.  I'm looking forward to runinng this :)
[23:00] <rbelem> :-)
[23:00] <rbelem> we want ubuntu running on a mobile phone
[23:00] <rbelem> \o/
[23:03] <rbelem> ian_brasil, ^
[23:07] <persia> well, I don't want it on a phone, but I have minority views when it comes to what devices are useful :)
[23:07] <persia> (but my idea of an ideal handheld is in the same size range as other people would accept in phones : I just want my phone to be the size of a USB stick, or smaller)
[23:07] <persia> Putting the entire phone in a watch would be nice.