[00:19] <Pici> ...
[00:26]  * jrib considers adding that for next time
[00:27] <mneptok> 0 m/s. it hit the ceiling and fell back to ground level.
[00:27]  * mneptok just tried it.
[00:27] <Pici> :D
[00:40] <usuario> my usb wont mount and my /proc/scsi/scsi is blank
[00:40] <usuario>  any advice
[00:42] <Pici> usuario: Again. This is not a support channel.  Please /join #ubuntu
[05:04] <emma> I just wanted to see what your topic looked like these days. I haven't been here in a while. :)
[05:04] <emma> Best wishes to all of you, keep up the good work.
[05:06] <elky> ugh.
[05:33] <Myrtti> MK-BB: hello!
[06:33] <jussi01> o/
[06:52] <nigelb> there is a spammer in #ubuntu-women, can someone kick/ban ?
[07:15] <Bacta> Hi
[07:16] <Bacta> Are appeals only done via the mailing list?
[07:16] <elky> !appeals
[07:17] <Bacta> I figure I'm on step 2 then
[07:17] <Bacta> Do you prefer your logs to be pastebin'd or attached as .txts?
[07:20] <elky> up to you
[07:21] <Bacta> Awesome
[07:21] <Bacta> Thanks for your help
[08:14] <bazhang> wre in -ot   trolling ##windows earlier so be aware
[08:28] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <ikonia> morning
[08:28] <bazhang> dholbach, hi
[08:30] <dholbach> hi bazhang, hi ikonia
[08:31] <ikonia> howdy
[08:48] <bazhang> thought it was iamrandom that did the dcc exploit
[08:49] <ikonia> mega, I need to restart my irssi client and apologies to him
[08:49] <ikonia> bazhang: thank you
[08:50] <bazhang> lanlost just got forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic afaict
[08:51] <ikonia> I've removed the ban and sent him a very apologetic pm. I'll going to restart screen, see if that helps. Back shortly
[08:52] <ikonia> ok - lets see if that makes a differnce, if not I'll have to restart the client
[08:53] <Lanlost> Heh, I'm here again =)
[08:54] <ikonia> hello
[08:55] <Lanlost> hi, I'm going to smoke real quick actually.. unrelated =P
[08:55] <ikonia> the floodbots in #ubuntu put a ban forward on you after the dcc exploit
[08:55] <Lanlost> I'm using xchat btw
[08:55] <ikonia> (picking up from our conversation in pm)
[08:55] <ikonia> if this has happened to you before, I wonder if your client does something when someone does a dcc exploit in the channel
[08:55] <Lanlost> yeah I'm curious
[08:55] <Lanlost> you can't acutally proform this DCC exploit can you?
[08:56] <Lanlost> so I can quit all channels except for one and see what happens specifically
[08:56] <ikonia> not without causing pain to others
[08:56] <Lanlost> ^
[08:56] <ikonia> suppose we could test it in a private channel ?
[08:56] <Lanlost> yeah
[08:56] <Lanlost> but I need to smoke real quick.. 3 min
[08:56] <ikonia> no problem
[08:56] <Lanlost> im a coder so I'm interested in whats going on here
[08:56] <Lanlost> especially if it means that its a problem in xchat and hasn't been fixed then I could patch it
[08:57] <ikonia> Lanlost: shout when you're back and we'll look at this
[09:05] <Lanlost> ok back
[09:05] <Lanlost> lemme close out of the channels I'm in
[09:05] <ikonia> ok, do you want to join ##test ?
[09:06] <ikonia> ??
[09:11] <ikonia> ok so that confirms you are suseptable to dcc exploit
[09:11] <Lanlost> There we go
[09:11] <ikonia> !dcc
[09:12] <Lanlost> Now I suppose I gotta figure out if it's my router or xchat..
[09:12] <ikonia> Lanlost: have a read through that link and see if any of it applys to you
[09:12] <ikonia> I'd put money on your router
[09:12] <Lanlost> I would think plenty of people use xchat though
[09:12] <Lanlost> its a wrt54g
[09:12] <Lanlost> probably could upgrade firmware though: Firmware Version: v1.00.4
[09:13] <Lanlost> not to mention xchat package probably isnt the newest: XChat 2.8.6
[09:13] <bazhang> its the router
[09:14] <bazhang> plustax_ giving total random advice?
[09:14] <bazhang> err totally
[09:14] <Lanlost> I'm pretty sure I'm already on 8001
[09:15] <Lanlost> yeah, I am
[09:16] <mneptok> Lanlost: Linksys firmware?
[09:16] <Lanlost> are you asking what version?
[09:17] <Lanlost> Does this DCC exploit JUST cause people who are susceptible to disconnect?
[09:17] <ikonia> yes
[09:17] <Lanlost> I mean, It's not like I get it and then start sending it out myself or something
[09:17] <ikonia> no
[09:17] <Lanlost> ok, well let me check firmware stuff
[09:22] <Lanlost> was using 1.00.4
[09:22] <Lanlost> will be upgrading to current which is http://downloads.linksysbycisco.com/downloads/WRT54Gv5v6_v1.02.7_FwReleaseNotes.txt
[09:22] <Lanlost> ok brb
[09:28] <Lanlost> Alright
[09:29] <Lanlost> Can we test one more time in ##test?
[09:34] <Lanlost> ?
[09:34] <Lanlost> I don't know if I'm even here, I'm in like 5 channels and I can't see anyone talking
[09:34] <topyli> Lanlost, one two one two
[09:34] <Lanlost> ok, wow, just coinsidence
[09:35] <Lanlost> I saw that
[09:35] <Lanlost> who wants to dcc exploit me?
[09:35] <Lanlost> router has been upgraded, firmware wise
[09:36] <bazhang> Lanlost, you are in #ubuntu-read-topic now?
[09:38] <Lanlost> no..
[09:38] <Lanlost> ok, now I am
[09:38] <bazhang> Lanlost, okay, join that channel
[09:38] <Lanlost> I joined it directly
[09:38] <Lanlost> instead of trying to join #ubuntu
[09:39] <bazhang> please read the topic there and follow the instructions
[09:39] <Lanlost> I've done this before though and passed it
[09:39] <bazhang> there you go
[09:39] <bazhang> try and join #ubuntu now
[09:39] <Lanlost> I can..
[09:39] <bazhang> yep
[09:39] <Lanlost> I'm telling you. I've done this before
[09:40] <tsimpson> Lanlost: I told the bots to "think" you were a victim, so they tested you
[09:40] <tsimpson> you passed
[09:40] <Lanlost> I know this..
[09:40] <Lanlost> I typed test me as well though
[09:40] <Lanlost> This is fine and all, but I've passed before and yet was still susceptible
[09:40] <Lanlost> That's all I'm saying. I just wanted someone to do what ikonia did
[09:41] <Lanlost> Received a malformed DCC request from FloodBot2.
[09:41] <Lanlost> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND 1234567890abcdef
[09:41] <Lanlost> I didn't get that from him.. He just said he was doing it and then I disconnected
[09:41] <Lanlost> which is what always happens, I never see any DCC requests when it happened in the past
[09:41] <tsimpson> the point is that the router didn't crash
[09:41] <Lanlost> First of all
[09:41] <Lanlost> It never crashed
[09:42] <Lanlost> Second of all, that doesn't mean it's fixed
[09:42] <tsimpson> well, it resets the connection
[09:42] <Myrtti> no, it disconnected you from port 6667
[09:42] <Myrtti> or whatever port it was using
[09:42] <Lanlost> I wasn't on port 6667
[09:42] <Myrtti> it didn't crash
[09:42] <Lanlost> i was on 8001..
[09:42] <Myrtti> well that's new
[09:43] <Lanlost> Yeah
[09:43] <Lanlost> I set it to freenode.net port 8001 last time this happened, which was like a week ago.
[09:43] <Lanlost> I've NEVER not passed the test though and then I end up banned from #ubuntu a day or two later
[09:44] <Lanlost> I go into #ubuntu-read-topic.. don't change anything and pass the test
[09:44] <Lanlost> But whatever ikonia did, I never saw a DCC request, malformed or not and got disconnected.
[09:44] <Lanlost> It's fine .. I guess. The firmware update probably fixed it anyway. I was just curious what was going on and thats why I wanted it tested again. I'm not sure how he did it though.
[09:45] <bazhang> Lanlost, in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:45] <ikonia> Lanlost: lets test you
[09:45] <ikonia> jump into ##test
[09:45] <Lanlost> Thank you
[09:49] <Lanlost> Thanks again, every time being here has been a great experience
[09:49] <ikonia> no problem
[09:50] <Lanlost> What a strange exploit. I'll have to figure out what it's exploiting. Can't be good if people are susceptible enough to it that there has to be the -read-topic channel.
[09:51] <Lanlost> Reminds me of the android exploit that was in the original OS version released with the G1.
[09:51] <Lanlost> You could easily root your phone to upgrade it to whatever you wanted because.. .. ... every command was being forwarded to a terminal.
[09:52] <Lanlost> Apparently a guy found out when he sent a text message to his friend telling him to reboot his computer and his phone rebooted.. sigh.
[09:52] <Lanlost> Anyway, I'll stop spamming. Thanks.
[09:53] <Lanlost> er, one more thing. I never saw the exploit when you used it until the last time. I must have been disconnected before it even displayed.
[09:54] <Lanlost> Does this mean that everyone in the channel sees it when someone does it? If that's the case it would be pretty easy to see who is doing it. That's why I was asking about the priv message.
[09:55] <Lanlost> I understand this is probably not appropriate for this channel btw, that's why I was asking in #test. I'll let you go though. Thanks again
[09:57] <topyli> Lanlost, well you can join #ubuntu, and as a bonus you got around to upgrading the router :)
[09:58] <topyli> if all is well, you can part this channel. thanks for working things out!
[10:03] <Lanlost> ack, I didn't realize I didn't part it
[10:03] <Lanlost> I did a /close #ubuntu-ops and it closed one of the channels I was in again. Alright, bye
[10:07] <Myrtti> and now for something completely different: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4364188891/
[10:22] <jussi01> Myrtti: no... just worng  :P
[10:22] <jussi01> wrong even
[10:29] <wre> "#ubuntu Cannot send to channel" help
[10:30] <wre> seems to have been resolved by itself. thanks
[10:35] <bazhang> floodbot2 got klined
[10:36] <tsimpson> yep, so did nalioth
[10:36] <bazhang> odd
[10:36] <tsimpson> the odd thing is, it's happened several times before
[10:36] <bazhang> true
[10:44] <tomaw> someone on the host joined a kline channel
[10:45] <Myrtti> charming
[10:45] <tomaw> I killed it and unklined anyway
[10:46] <gnomefreak> floodbot and nalioth do something bad?
[11:29] <elky> ugh, bacta is PM flooding me
[11:34] <Tm_T> nice
[11:36] <jussi01> elky: have you approached a freenode staffer about it?
[11:38] <elky> jussi01, considering it stopped and he's now just continuing to try convince me that ikonia should be expelled from the team because tsimpson disagreed with him on something (which is what the flood was, logs of that) i don't see it'd do much
[11:38] <elky> he started at me like this because i told him to not troll -women after proclaiming he ought to be called "trollzilla"
[11:39] <elky> i'm so over dealing with this guy.
[11:40] <jussi01> elky: then dont. if theres a problem, refer it to others.
[11:41] <ikonia> jussi01: we need something that is the opposite of appeals
[11:41] <ikonia> people like this are just becoming a long term waste of time and resource
[11:41] <elky> jussi01, the only way it's going to stop is if i put him on ignore, and that's really not something that I consider a wise thing to do for a cross-namespace troll
[12:21] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu spellingbot wre from earlier, causing an issue in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:38] <ikonia> hello SpaceGhostC2C
[12:41] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: hello ??
[12:46] <bazhang> SpaceGhostC2C, please dont idle here should you have no outstanding business, thanks
[12:57] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: hello ? do you need something ?
[13:07] <bazhang> is MK-BB a loco op?
[13:07] <ikonia> don't know
[13:10] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey. Are some people unable or not allowed to use the bot?
[13:10] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, a friendly face. Do you know if some people can be ignored by the bot?
[13:10] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can you read me?
[13:10] <ikonia> yes
[13:10] <ikonia> sometimes the bot lags so it looks like it's ignoring you
[13:10] <ikonia> or if it's been used too much it ignores you
[13:11] <ikonia> eg: do !hi, then !hi, then !hi the 3rd one will get ignored
[13:11] <Pici> The second one should be ignored.
[13:11] <ikonia> ahh second, even better
[13:11] <ikonia> thank you Pici
[13:14] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: Anything else we can help you with today?
[13:30] <elky> um... is anyone suspicious about the newcomer to -ot at all?
[13:31] <Pici> Yes.
[13:31] <MenZa> Whichonesthat?
[13:31] <MenZa> Oh right.
[13:31] <elky> MenZa, the one that rather rhymes with an op name and says "srsbznz" or whatever
[13:32] <MenZa> Aye, aye.
[13:32] <elky> iinet is not a typical trollpit isp in .au, they're on the pricier side of things hence fewer students use them
[13:32] <Pici> Its probably a futile attempt, but I'm grepping for the host
[13:32] <MenZa> Good plan. I'm out, powercut.
[13:32] <Pici> I neeed caffiene first though.
[13:33] <elky> the exception to that rule being the prolificness of the optus which is only due to the mobile broadband network they onsell
[13:34] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I assume you don't need anything or have stepped away from the keyboard again ?
[13:36] <Pici> no grep results
[13:38] <elky> Pici, when optus hostmasks say "dyn" it really does mean dynamic
[13:38] <elky> not "oh we might change it in a month or so"
[13:38] <elky> more like "we'll change it soemtime in the next 48hrs"
[13:39] <elky> mute them?
[13:52] <Myrtti> whatthe...
[13:55] <Pici> we don't know.
[14:16] <Myrtti> i wish i knew atleast the motive behind it. is it purely to annoy me
[14:45] <Tm_T> umm, I will be mostly away some days/weeks
[14:46] <Tm_T> so see you later (: ->
[14:57] <Pici> Tm_T: have fun?
[14:59] <jpds> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Destinations#Channel:%20#ubuntu-signpost
[14:59] <jpds> wut.
[15:00] <Pici> Never heard of it
[15:01] <Pici> I'm going to remove it from that list, also register the channel and forward to #ubuntu just in case.
[15:04] <Myrtti> oh dear
[15:04] <Myrtti> it has ubuntuguide on it
[15:22] <bazhang> MK-BB, is a loco op?
[15:23] <Myrtti> yup
[15:23] <Myrtti> south korea  iirc
[15:23] <bazhang> aha
[15:23] <Myrtti> and he is in -irc too
[15:23] <bazhang> yep
[15:24] <bazhang> just saw him in -ko
[15:24] <Myrtti> talking?
[15:24] <bazhang> nope just present
[15:29] <Myrtti> MK-BB: your issue will be handled in #ubuntu-irc, not here
[15:31] <Myrtti> whatwhere
[15:53] <Pici> @login
[15:54] <Pici> !ping
[15:56] <MenZa> @login
[16:03] <tsimpson> Pici: the Java Chat ban is not a forward it seems
[16:03] <tsimpson> it doesn't mask the IP as far as I can tell, so not sure why it's banned
[16:04] <Pici> tsimpson: Correct.  I was referring to webchat.freenode.net
[16:04] <ikonia> java chat is just banned I thought ?
[16:04] <tsimpson> I'm just thinking, do we need to keep the ban?
[16:04] <Pici> Probably not.
[16:07] <tsimpson> I've removed it
[16:23] <genii> Trying to find out what OS satepc is on is like trying to pull teeth. Probably Arch
[16:23] <bazhang> nice guess
[16:46]  * Pici sighs
[16:49] <bazhang> cmp outburst in 3,2,
[16:50] <ikonia> I want to help the guy, but at some point he has to learn the basics
[16:50] <ikonia> more so if he's charging people for this
[16:57] <Myrtti> there we go then
[16:58] <ikonia> ?
[17:00] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, ufw = Uncomplicated Firewall, not Ubuntu Firewall
[17:00] <ikonia> Pici: thank you
[17:08]  * Myrtti facepalms
[17:08] <Pici> Myrtti: Whats up?
[17:10] <Myrtti> just looking at #ubuntu while clinging to my dinner of two crackers and an indigestion med
[17:11] <ikonia> bazhang: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~jmk/simian/download.htm
[17:12] <bazhang> ikonia, I must have missed the jump from img/theme to custom compile
[17:12] <ikonia> I've untar'd it and the dependencies look pretty old for ubuntu 8.04
[17:12] <Myrtti> the discussion of what cpu he has made me almost sneeze out the tablet
[17:12] <ikonia> ubuntu 6.06 he may have got away with
[17:13] <Pici> I'm sorry to sound rude, but I don't think that hes going to be able to figure out how to use the program if he can't even compile it.
[17:13] <ikonia> he'll have to either install the older dependencies - which means more custom compiles and appliction breakage, or update the dependenceis, which as he can't navigate the file system I don't think capable of doing
[17:13] <ikonia> Pici: I %100 agree, if he'd read the "new ubuntu user guide" so he got the basics we could start moving him forward a bit
[17:13] <Myrtti> Pici: no kidding?
[17:14] <bazhang> and he has no time to read apparently, so it will have to be done step by step via irc
[17:14] <ikonia> for some reason he refuses to read anything that resolves his issues
[17:26] <Pici> MenZa, bazhang: If either of you don't like it, feel free to act on it.
[17:27] <MenZa> What are we talking about?
[17:27]  * MenZa reads up
[17:27] <bazhang> Pici, act on 'pissy' ? no problem, and not an op in that channel
[17:27] <MenZa> Pici: If I were to moderate based on my, er, own limits, I wouldn't ever be telling anyone to watch their language.
[17:28] <Pici> I personally have no problem with that word, but I know other people do.
[17:28]  * MenZa laxes a bit.
[17:28] <bazhang> I always thought it meant grouchy/grumpy
[17:28] <Pici> It does.
[17:28] <MenZa> It does.
[17:29] <Pici> I've seen people take offense at 'pissy' or 'pissed off' before.
[17:29] <MenZa> And I have no problem with it, personally
[17:29] <MenZa> I've seen people take offence to "wtf", which makes no sense to me.
[17:29]  * MenZa shrugs
[17:29] <MenZa> I'll just sit and idle unless it run out of control, in which case I'll step in
[17:29]  * MenZa gets dinner
[17:29] <bazhang> the 'f' part presumably
[17:29] <MenZa> \o
[17:29] <MenZa> Sure.
[17:30] <MenZa> But I find it silly.
[17:30] <MenZa> It just means "currently experiencing a lot of confusion"
[17:30] <MenZa> :)
[17:30] <MenZa> No,ww, dinner.
[17:30] <bazhang> weird 'o' there
[17:31] <ikonia> !install
[17:39] <bazhang> dont click the link from mao
[17:44] <Trek> is ubottu lagging today or something?
[17:44] <ikonia> hello there trek
[17:44] <ikonia> it is lagging a little
[17:44] <bazhang> nhlpa is the chimpout fellow
[17:45] <ikonia> it's been on/off a few times today Trek
[17:45] <Trek> ah, so its a bot-side issue.
[17:45] <Trek> was wondering, thanks ikonia
[17:45] <ikonia> bazhang: are you %100 sure
[17:45] <ikonia> Trek: yeah, I've notied it a bit
[17:45] <Dominian> hrm
[17:45] <Dominian> is it PM spamming on-join again?
[17:46] <bazhang> just waiting for the flood of gnaa etc etc
[17:46] <ikonia> bazhang: I don't want to wait
[17:46] <ikonia> how confident are you ?
[17:46] <ikonia> eg: what's making you think it's him again ?
[17:47] <bazhang> the IP address
[17:47] <ikonia> Hmmm
[17:48] <ikonia> didn't we ban the ip last time he was here ?
[17:48] <ikonia> (obviously not) but I mean why didn't we ?
[17:48] <bazhang> klined after removal
[17:49] <ikonia> ah, so that's why
[17:50] <Dominian> bazhang: the IP for that user was klined at one point?
[17:51] <bazhang> Dominian, fairly close to that one, not sure of the exact address
[17:51] <Dominian> ah ok
[17:51] <bazhang> the mao fellow was much worse imo
[17:52] <bazhang> I clicked the link :/
[17:52] <Dominian> heh
[17:57] <bazhang> nhandler, just got kicked? jussi01
[17:57] <Pici> Yes.
[17:57] <bazhang> yikes
[18:11] <Myrtti> life is hard on its_me
[18:12] <bazhang> got him in PM
[18:12] <Myrtti> figured you would
[18:30] <Myrtti> whee. alabd is  back.
[18:31]  * Myrtti goes to make popcorn
[20:52] <guntbert> I'm here to defend my proposal about !here
[20:53]  * ikonia holds court
[20:53] <ikonia> just kidding
[20:53] <ikonia> what's up ?
[20:53] <bazhang> heh
[20:54] <guntbert> any questions about my proposal?
[20:54] <Myrtti> i can't see the point
[20:55] <guntbert> Myrtti: I see an increasing number of questions (mainly in #ubuntu) like: "please look at my post in <some obscure forum> or <some obscure website> and tell me how to solve"
[20:59] <jussi01> guntbert: so you are asking people to increase channel business so that you dont need to go to a website?
[20:59] <jussi01> guntbert: Im not trying to be annoying, just asking :)
[20:59] <ikonia> I do see his point, some of the tools being used are terrible
[20:59] <ikonia> one was a flash pastebin that I had to ask the guy to repost using pastebin as I couldn't get it to work
[21:00] <Myrtti> jussi01: it's graanted that if they'd give even a synopsis of the problem instead of just "omg look URL"
[21:00] <guntbert> jussi01: no - I'm only asking them to state the problem in the channel - so as not to have to visit another site just to see if I might be able/willing to help
[21:01] <Myrtti> i don't bother to go read such url, waste of time in many cases
[21:01] <ikonia> Myrtti: that's a sad truth
[21:02] <guntbert> ikonia: Myrtti: I don't think its sad - when someone wants help they should make it as easy as possible for the helper
[21:02] <ikonia> guntbert: maybe something a bit more along the lines of if you HAVE to use a pastebin, use pastebin.ubuntu.com, but give an overview in the channel
[21:03] <ikonia> jussi01: would that tie in better, in the hope that it catches on and only has to be used to start things off
[21:03] <jussi01> yeah, Id say thats probably better, sorry for my lack of contribution, Im actually a little distracted
[21:04] <Myrtti> i wouldn't mind forum links, but if there's no synopsis, there's no ay of telling can i help and it's waste of time
[21:04] <ikonia> jussi01: you'll be more distracted on friday when the post man turns up
[21:04] <jussi01> ikonia: yes, of that Im sure :D
[21:04] <Myrtti> as guntbert said
[21:04] <ikonia> Myrtti: forum links are just as bad, you have to go through 10 posts to get the actual problem
[21:04] <ikonia> guntbert: could we rework it, give an overview in the channel and if you have to paste, use pastebin.ubuntu.com ?
[21:05] <ikonia> guntbert: something along those lines, as I don't want 20 line pointless pastes in the channel, but I know where you've coming from
[21:05] <guntbert> ikonia: sounds good - I'm not too proud of my first idea
[21:05] <ikonia> nothing wrong with it, just may be better to guide them a little, more so as it's new people who don't know mostly
[21:08] <guntbert> ikonia: like: Please give at least an overview of your problem *here* (all in one line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to paste, please use pastebin.ubuntu.com .
[21:08] <ikonia> guntbert: that's more like what I was thinking yes
[21:09] <ikonia> guides people a little better
[21:09] <jussi01> maybe use If you have to use more than 3 lines, please ues...
[21:09] <ikonia> ok, that works
[21:09] <ikonia> guntbert: you ok ?
[21:09] <guntbert> ikonia: is ok with me :)
[21:10] <ikonia> ok, jussi01 that seems to be the deal clincer
[21:10] <ikonia> clincher
[21:10] <mneptok> i'm having a problem with IRC. please connect to Freenode and help me!
[21:11] <ikonia> problem *here* (all in one  line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to use more than 3 lines please use pastebin.ubuntu.com ?
[21:11] <ikonia> all happy ?
[21:12] <Myrtti> missing a comma
[21:12] <ikonia> after lines ?
[21:12] <Myrtti> i think so
[21:12] <ikonia> ooh, my cut and paste didn't work properly either
[21:13] <ikonia> it missed of the please give an overview
[21:14] <guntbert> Myrtti: I wouldn't know about a comma - I cannot set the correctly even in my own language (german)
[21:14] <guntbert> *them
[21:15] <ikonia> guntbert: I think Myrtti is right
[21:15] <ikonia> I'll attempt to re-cut and paste
[21:15] <Myrtti> isn't it paste.ubuntu.com too
[21:16] <ikonia> Please give at least an overview of your problem *here* (all in one line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to use more than 3 lines, please use paste.ubuntu.com
[21:16] <ikonia> hows that
[21:16] <mneptok> ikonia: please don't paste to the channel. post your paste in the Ubuntu Forums and then point us to the URL.
[21:16]  * mneptok giggles
[21:16]  * ikonia choses to ignore the troll in the corner
[21:17] <guntbert> Myrtti: both urls resolve to the same site
[21:17] <Myrtti> guntbert: one is shorter
[21:17] <guntbert> Myrtti: ok
[21:18] <ikonia> all happy with that then ?
[21:18] <guntbert> ikonia: ok with me - thx
[21:22] <Myrtti> talking of factoids
[21:23] <Myrtti> how about the pae one?
[21:23] <ikonia> guntbert: let me swap machines as this mac keyboard is driving me nuts and I'll submit it
[21:24] <guntbert> ikonia: take your time - I'm preparing to throw something else at you all right now
[21:50] <wolter> Hi, I would like to know who was responsible for my ban, and which is the reason why I am
[21:51] <guntbert> as ikonia doesn't need me to look over his shoulders, I'm gonna leave - have a nice time
[21:52] <ikonia> wolter: I think that may have been me, I remember your real name - one moment please
[21:53] <wolter> Ok
[21:54] <ikonia> wolter: be with you ASAP our tool is just being slow
[21:54] <ikonia> wolter: which channel are you banned from ?
[21:54] <wolter> #ubuntu
[21:54] <ikonia> wolter: you're in ubuntu now
[21:54] <wolter> Yes, but I cannot speak
[21:55] <wolter> And freenode says its because I'm banned
[21:55] <wolter> #ubuntu :Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
[21:55] <ikonia> ahh you've got around the ban by changing your nick
[21:55] <wolter> What do you mean?
[21:56] <ikonia> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?sess=decc39d30874792f9e2ab679386178c6
[21:56] <ikonia> ughh
[21:56] <ikonia> ignore that
[21:56] <ikonia>  stupid mac
[21:56] <wolter> Ok
[21:57] <wolter> Randolf is the alternative nickname I set in xchat
[21:57] <ikonia> wolter: you joined as rudolf then changed your nick once you where in the hannel
[21:57] <ikonia> randolf, yes
[21:57] <wolter> So, is that why I am banned?
[21:57] <ikonia> wolter: it appears the floodbots banned you
[21:58] <wolter> Oh
[21:58] <ikonia> your machine is open to a dcc exploit
[21:58] <ikonia> you've been banned twice and sent to a safe channel to fix your PC
[21:58] <wolter> Well, I didn't receive the warning this time, I believe I have fixed it
[21:58] <ikonia> each time it's as a result of a DCC
[21:58] <wolter> Oh, so I need to do the 'test me' thing?
[21:58] <ikonia> that's right
[21:59] <ikonia> I remember his real name too though, he did something else recently
[21:59] <ikonia> wolter: did you manage to get checked out ?
[22:00] <ikonia> wolter: hello ?
[22:00] <wolter> Hm, weird, I am being disconnected
[22:00] <wolter> Out of nowhere.. .
[22:00] <wolter> I think its every time I say 'test me' in the #ubuntu-read-topic channel
[22:00] <ikonia> wolter: you're failing the test
[22:01] <ikonia> that's why you're getting disconnected, the test is an exploit and you're failing so getting kicked off
[22:01] <wolter> oh
[22:01] <wolter> Maybe that explains why I cannot access a certain webpage
[22:01] <ikonia> doubtful
[22:01] <wolter> Do I need to factory reset my router?
[22:02] <ikonia> you ned to read the topic in the #ubuntu-read-topic channel
[22:03] <wolter> Ok
[22:03] <wolter> But my firmware is up to date. Ill try port 8001
[22:05] <wolter> I think I am getting fixed now.
[22:05] <wolter> Thanks ikonia
[22:05] <wolter> I am now unbanned.
[22:06] <ikonia> you helped your self, so no problem
[22:14] <ikonia> its_me: hello
[22:14] <its_me> hello, sir
[22:15] <ikonia> are you going to talk about your behaviour or just dodge more bans and brag about it ?
[22:17] <its_me> i dont know what are you talking about it here - and iam not here to tell you that iam sorry . as i dont see that i have said or done or behaved bad. the only thing which is bothering you all here -is that some how you are uncovered by some one simple like me .... some one who might uncover your mask and uncover your face at least in front of your self
[22:17] <its_me> dont ever thing that iam coming her to say please forgive me
[22:18] <its_me> i just wanted to show - how ever and whatever you all will kick me out - then i can come back again
[22:18] <its_me> different place
[22:18] <its_me> different name
[22:18] <its_me> and you wouldnt be able to stop it
[22:18] <its_me> this is networking
[22:18] <ikonia> ok - so your threats to ban dodge have been noted and reported to freenode staff
[22:19] <ikonia> you're welcome to leave the channel and I'll let freenode deal with you from now on
[22:19] <its_me> i dont care
[22:19] <its_me> iam not getting any support there any way
[22:19] <ikonia> ok, please leave the channel and go about your day
[22:19] <its_me> so its not a big deal for me
[22:19] <ikonia> ok, then we have nothing futher to discuss.
[22:20] <its_me> of course yes - but i have only one question as i asked to some one else here before and he couldnt answer
[22:20] <its_me> i wish you can
[22:20] <its_me> what was the OS you have used before linux in your past
[22:20] <its_me> do you have answer /
[22:20] <its_me> ?
[22:20] <ikonia> if someone else is active at this time, I'm sure they can help
[22:21] <its_me> so will you answer this question ?
[22:21] <ikonia> I'm not intrested in discussing anything other than your behaviour in here, so if you do not wish to discuss that - please leave and go about your day
[22:22] <its_me> my behaviour ???? what is your native language ?
[22:22] <its_me> are you indian?
[22:22] <ikonia> English
[22:22] <its_me> and you dont know how to type behaviour ?????
[22:23] <its_me> its behavior  ikonia
[22:23] <ikonia> well, spelling mistake is hardly bad behavior
[22:24] <ikonia> but as I said, I'm not intererested in discussing anything with you other than your "behavior" so unless you wish to resolve that, there is nothing more to talk about
[22:24] <its_me> what about my behavior ..is it the purpose of being here to help?
[22:25] <ikonia> I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying
[22:25] <its_me> is it your goal to help me about my behavior here ?????
[22:25] <ikonia> hopefully
[22:26] <ikonia> just get you able to particpate in the ubuntu channel without breaking the rules
[22:26] <ikonia> and maybe get a little better help than you've been getting due to your lack of basic linux knowledge (which isn't a problem - everyone starts somewhere)
[22:26] <its_me> what rules ..... rules of you all to show off ?
[22:26] <ikonia> no, the rules of helping you to help yourself, and not talking about illegal activites
[22:27] <its_me> rules of pretending that you are the most saints on earth ?
[22:27] <ikonia> ok, I'm done now
[22:27] <ikonia> I have othing more to say to you while you play this game. good bye
[22:27] <its_me> i asked you question
[22:27] <its_me> answer me ?
[22:27] <its_me> what was your OS before linux?
[22:27] <its_me> iam not here to play game with you
[22:28] <its_me> iam not interested in you for games
[22:28] <its_me> just answer me if you have answer
[22:28] <topyli> its_me, apparently you're not interested in very constructive discussions at this time. please leave the channel and return when you feel like resolving the issue
[22:29] <its_me> resolve what ... who are you to think that iam here to ask for forgivness
[22:29] <its_me> you too answer me
[22:30] <its_me> what was your OS in the past
[23:00] <Myrtti>  oh god
[23:13] <ikonia> spaceghost is getting rude again
[23:16] <Thrae> Hi, I have read https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines , http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct , http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic , and http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml and I don't see anything barring the occasional NSFW video (except pornography), especially considering the language in the video is censored except for the word "penis". I'm new to #ubuntu-offtopic, but that's all the channel ...
[23:16] <Thrae> ... topic has as its guidelines. Specifically, Ubuntu's IRC guidelines state there is no "blanket ban on any and all mention of topics." I was instantly banned without warning by MenZa, and he says this is not proper social behavior for the Ubuntu community.
[23:17] <ikonia> Thrae: do you feel posting links about penis's is appropriate to a family channel ?
[23:18] <Thrae> ikonia: I didn't see specifically anything referring to a PG-13 rating in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines. Considering that you need a good amount of knowledge of computers to use Ubuntu, it seems rather draconian to me to disallow any mention of humour that may or may not include genitalia.
[23:18] <ikonia> Thrae: do you see anything saying pg13 is allowed ?
[23:19] <MenZa> Thrae: I direct you to "Language and Subject"
[23:19] <ikonia> Thrae: a 5 your old child could be using the computer - does he need to see that, no
[23:19] <MenZa> "All the #ubuntu channels are visited by people whose ages vary, and whose tolerances of language and subject choice vary equally as much."
[23:19] <ikonia> Thrae: if it's not safe for work - it's not safe for ANY ubuntu channel
[23:20] <MenZa> I do believe my ban was placed early, and I do apologise for not following up in a PM. That's my flaw.
[23:20] <Thrae> I am looking at the #ubuntu-offtopic logs right now and see about 10 examples (not followed by ban and discussed heavily) of something that would offend ##politics on this network and many other networks.
[23:21] <MenZa> Joining with a link to a video, including the word "NSFW" sets off warning bells. I am merely acting upon that.
[23:21] <MenZa> !o4o
[23:21] <ikonia> Thrae: things do get missed, but I can't see anything
[23:21] <MenZa> "The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling baiting, hostility and repitition are not."
[23:21] <Thrae> MenZa: I am well-aware of the policy, I have in front of my screen. I am !appealing.
[23:21] <MenZa> Thrae: Well, you're in the first step of your appeal already. :)
[23:21] <Myrtti> we're not omnipotent and can't be monitored all the time. We're not ##politics either, so the policies are different.
[23:22] <Thrae> If NSFW is blanket-banned then you should say it is blanket-banned.
[23:22] <Myrtti> having said that, I see I'm failing in English and need to go sleep
[23:22] <Thrae> In fact, the IRC guidelines say the exact *opposite*, that there are "...[no] blanket bans on any and all mention of these topics..."
[23:23] <MenZa> I'm trying to resolve the situation. I've admitted my flaw; if you start by admitting what *you* did wrong, then perhaps we can move forward.
[23:23] <MenZa> This is, of course, up to you.
[23:23] <Thrae> One could argue "common sense" to be "family oriented", but since when is IRC itself a "family oriented" community, let alone Freenode?
[23:23] <MenZa> Thrae: #ubuntu* is.
[23:24] <MenZa> So, how about we start resolving this?
[23:24] <Thrae> I did absolutely nothing wrong, except, apparently, I broke some unwritten rule in the very fabric of Ubuntu's social order specifically on Freenode and specifically in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:25] <MenZa> Thrae: Use Common Sense. Be family friendly.
[23:25] <MenZa> Two key parts, both written down, you did miss.
[23:25] <MenZa> Do you agree on this, yes or no?
[23:26] <Thrae> Given that I was raised with computers and the Internet, back in the 1400 baud days, the term "family friendly" didn't even apply. In fact, there isn't even the mention of the word "family" or "[word] friendly" in your own guidelines.
[23:26] <MenZa> "All the #ubuntu channels are visited by people whose ages vary"
[23:26] <MenZa> "... and whose tolerances of language and subject choice vary equally as much."
[23:27] <MenZa> See IRC Guidelines, section "Language and Subject"
[23:27] <MenZa> And I don't care how the internet was when you started using it; I'm living in the present. As is the #ubuntu* namespace.
[23:28] <Thrae> No, I don't think this can be resolved. I will remain outside of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic forever, as your draconian, unwritten, retroactive-backpedaling rules are not for me. I put a "NSFW" tag on it. If a censored video with the word "penis" offends the Ubuntu community so, they don't need me. I thought OSS was about *FREEDOM*, not self-censorship. We should be FREE to TRY and SEE if we offend someone, and then, ...
[23:28] <Thrae> ... when someone takes offense, we deal with it.
[23:29] <MenZa> Thrae: We try to remain family friendly at all times.
[23:29] <highvoltage> Thrae: too bad you're the only one who thinks that
[23:29] <Thrae> If the ops themselves are all 5-year olds who can't handle a little, albiet childish genitalia humour, than I think you may have serious problems.
[23:30] <Thrae> The term "family friendly" is completely relative. If you want to use it so badly, why don't you *define* it in your own *guidelines*?
[23:30] <highvoltage> Thrae: if anything, your reaction in this channel is enough to make it very easy to dismiss you
[23:30] <Thrae> I used to live in Canada where topless women were allowed to walk the streets. That would be illegal here in the US. Is Canada not "family friendly"?
[23:30] <highvoltage> Thrae: if you don't want to be part of an ubuntu irc channel then so be it
[23:32] <MenZa> Thrae: Everything's relative. We'd be writing the complete works of Shakespare before we could define anything accurately.
[23:32] <Thrae> highvoltage: I am following the appeals process of dicussion on channel guideliness and what should and should not be included in them. Specifically, I am pointing out this so-called "family friendly" policy is not explicitly defined. I think I am giving constructive criticism. Or do you think I'm just trying to be a jerk?
[23:33] <Thrae> I have used Ubuntu-based systems for years and I feel betrayed by the very community that I adopted. I thought I could get some discussion here, as per https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines *explicitly* states. If you wish to ban me from even discussing what is and is not appropriate, or re-direct me to a place where it IS appropriate, please do so.
[23:34] <highvoltage> Thrae: giving constructive criticism is great. it will probably work better if you tone down a little.
[23:34] <Thrae> And to a place where criticism on the way guidelines like https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines are written, I would also appreciate that.
[23:34] <highvoltage> Thrae: doing name-calling and calling ops 5-year-old will probably not earn you much empathy
[23:35] <highvoltage> Thrae: write it to the ubuntu-irc mailing list. save it as a draft, read it the next day again and then send.
[23:36] <Thrae> highvoltage: Considering I put myself in the very same catagory admitting it was childish humour, I didn't see it as really an insult, more like a hyperbole in what I consider, really, an insane situation developing.
[23:37] <Thrae> highvoltage: Alright, I understand.
[23:37] <highvoltage> Thrae: I think you deserve the benefit of the doubt there, but toning down a bit can get you a lot further
[23:37] <Thrae> If this is not the proper place for active discussion and criticism on this particular issue, then I will leave you all and use the mailing list to address my greviences.
[23:38] <Thrae> Thank you all for your time.
[23:38] <MenZa> From the beginning, I've said resolving the issue isn't a matter of any effort. The only thing I asked was that you accept the guidelines as they were, and you'd be right back in--okay then.
[23:38]  * MenZa shrugs.
[23:38]  * highvoltage is a master de-troller
[23:38] <MenZa> Aye, I appreciate the diffusion.
[23:39] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[23:39]  * MenZa bows.
[23:59] <ikonia> that guys in about 20 other channels I'm in and never spoke in any
[23:59]  * MenZa shrugs.