[00:00] <twb> Th0th: did you run a memtest86+ overnight?
[00:10] <sport> Does anyone have a cron script that monitors software RAID 1 they can share?
[00:16] <lifeless> doesn't mdadm do that automatically now?
[00:17] <twb> lifeless: FSVO mdadm = the kernel, yes.
[00:18] <twb> Whether it propagates to the sysadmin as an email, I don't know...
[00:18] <Th0th> twb: ya logs have the messages about hanging processes, dmesg shows nothing strange on startup, and no on memtest, its my main server in my closet, just ordered two blades from geeks.com but right now I'm caught with my pants down (removed one ram chip to see if that helps, if not swap)
[00:21] <Th0th> right now I'm migrating my full network setup to a shiva plug, lol
[00:21] <Th0th> dns, email, www, funny thing is I stress tested it for this like 2 months ago, and the shiva plug pulls its weight
[00:23] <twb> Well, it IS a full GHz unit
[00:23] <Th0th> ya and 512 of ram
[00:23] <twb> You don't need anything more than a Pentium III for a typical SOHO "do everything" host
[00:24] <Th0th> my first server was dell optiplex gx1 266mhz with 128mb ram
[00:25] <Th0th> I am running around 20 domains, but only about 80kbs consistent traffic
[00:26] <Th0th> so anyone see processes just start to hang like that?
[00:37] <MTecknology> If I deleted one drive that is part of an LVM, what are the chances I can get data back on the remaining piece of the volume?
[00:40] <twb> MTecknology: "deleted" as in you pulled it out of the case and jumped up and down on the drive?
[00:41] <MTecknology> twb: pretty much
[00:42] <twb> You've lost everything that was on that drive.
[00:43] <twb> Whether that's half the filesystem, or stripes of the filesystem, or none of the filesystem, depends on the layout of extents.
[00:43] <mdeslaur> zul: fyi, I'm merging samba from unstable, as it takes away the setuid bit from mount.cifs
[00:43] <MTecknology> twb: hm?
[00:44] <lifeless> MTecknology: it depends on the lvm configuration in essense
[00:45] <twb> There's an lvdisplay invocation that tells you where each LV lives on disk
[00:45] <lifeless> MTecknology: if it was a raid member, then the pv being gone shouldn't matter much; if the fs was just extended onto a lv extent on the pv on the drive, then imagine you took a regular disk and use a knife on 1/2 the sectors onthe drive
[00:46] <twb> Ah, lvdisplay --maps
[00:46] <MTecknology> alrighty - so it's dead and gone
[00:46]  * MTecknology fights to get into backup server which now hates me
[00:59] <zul> mdeslaur: cool beans
[01:18] <twb> Anyone have an opinion on using CF cards instead of SATA disks for a rackmount router running 10.04?
[01:20] <MTecknology> twb: my only opinion is that I generally use BSD for routers :P
[01:20] <twb> Probably using md RAID1 between two of them to avoid a SPOF on one disk
[01:22] <smoser> kirkland, around?
[01:22] <kirkland> smoser: only a little
[01:22] <smoser> take a read of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-boto/+bug/520707
[01:22] <smoser> i dont know whwere you got the patch that you applied in the linked revision, or if it will remain, but thats where the regression came from.
[01:23] <smoser> no hurry, but wondering what your thoughts on fixing this are.
[01:49] <cef> oh fun. if the ethernet interface is not 'up' when a kvm guest that uses bridging comes up, the guest seems to crash when the enternet interface does come up. :(
[01:49]  * cef goes to snoop around more to see if this really is the culprit
[01:51] <lifeless> cef: perhaps it is stuck doing dhcp?
[01:51] <cef> lifeless: static assignment.. but it is plugged into a cheap-arse router.. it's ethernet link it seems
[01:52] <cef> just turned up libvirt's log, and about to reboot. ONLY seems to happen on reboot.
[01:52] <cef> (of the server, not the guest
[01:59] <MTecknology> Any ideas why I'm not able to use a shared key to log into one of my servers? It works perfect everywhere else except on this one system
[02:12] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Most likely permissions, read /var/log/auth on that server for ideas, also try ssh -v -v user@thatmachine.com and see what it says.
[02:14] <Roxyhart0> hi how i can force (samba) that thje users in the folder will be %u ?
[02:15] <MTecknology> jmarsden: this is the only thing that stands out - Feb 16 20:14:19 pessum sshd[14253]: Error attempting to add filename encryption key to user session keyring; rc = [1]
[02:16] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  That's one I've not seen before... have you tried googling for it?
[02:18] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Looks like there are some Ubuntu big reports related to that... are you using encryptfs ?
[02:18] <jmarsden> s/big/bug/
[02:19] <MTecknology> jmarsden: ya
[02:21] <jmarsden> OK... so check Ubuntu bugs 358906 361984 495143 and 433024   and see if they help you out.
[02:21] <jmarsden> Make that 358096
[02:26] <MTecknology> jmarsden: nothing useful for me there :(
[02:27] <jmarsden> MTecknology: can you turn off the encrypted home directory thing for your account and retry, or test with an account that does not have the encryoted home dir stuff enabled?
[02:27] <MTecknology> jmarsden: how can I just get rid of ecruptfs?
[02:28] <jmarsden> I don't know, it's not something I have used.  Why did you enable it if you did not need/want/understand it?
[02:28] <MTecknology> I didn't mean to pick encrypted home dir actually
[02:29] <jmarsden> MTecknology: If it is only that one user which has the encrypted home dir, you can probably copy all their files somewhere else, delete the user, create the user again, put their files back... there is likely to be a better way, but that ought to work :)
[02:29] <MTecknology> alrighty, thanks
[02:29] <jmarsden> If you need to you can note the current user's uid and insist the new user uses the same uid ...
[02:30] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Now I need to go eat... :)
[02:32] <cef> ok... how do I tell libvirt to start later than it does? The first guest fails to start, which hangs things for about 30 secs, then the rest of the guests start fine.*sigh*
[02:36] <kirkland> smoser: poke me tomorrow about it
[02:46] <cef> libvirt-bin - does it have the correct dependencies in the init script? I've had to add a 'sleep 5' to the start of the script to get all vm's to reliability start at boot (marked autostart).
[03:28] <Roxyhart0> ah also i have this problem  * BUG 6673: Fix 'smbpasswd' with "unix password sync = yes". that is not too relevant at the moment
[03:32] <cef> ahh the wonders of fast machines. *sigh*
[03:50]  * cef pokes at #495394 with a pointed stick
[04:25] <twb> I know there are a few libvirt weenies in here.  I have a scratch Sid host I want to play with to learn about libvirt.  Which introductory text should I be reading?
[04:25] <twb> My plan is to start with the current ubuntu server admin guide
[04:31] <twb> Grr, and the tinyurl in /topic is still broken
[05:42] <linshine> using karmic -- i don't get updates available printed upon ssh login on 1 PC, but i do on another. same exact setup. anyone help?
[05:47] <twb> linshine: that's just some hokey thing writing to /etc/issue
[05:47] <jmarsden> lansdcape-sysinfo
[05:47] <jmarsden> landscape-sysinfo
[05:48] <twb> Bah.  Flipping landscape
[05:48] <twb> jmarsden: does it also annoy users who don't have sudo?
[05:49] <jmarsden> linshine: Check that the contents of /etc/apt/ are the same on both servers.  If they are, try  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   on each one and if they both update, you are fine.
[05:49] <jmarsden> twb: I've not tried it without having sudo... I don't think I have an account on a Ubuntu machine where I don't have sudo :)
[05:49] <twb> jmarsden: I meant if I log in as a peon instead of the sysadmin
[05:50] <twb> i.e. sudo -l returns "you can't do shit, yo"
[05:50] <jmarsden> Right... I'll have to create myself a 'peon' account to test with :)
[05:50] <twb> jmarsden: just suborn one of your real peon's accounts :P
[05:52] <linshine> jmarsden: /etc/apt are identical. i know updates are fine, but still i like that motd displays when they are available. yet, on one, it never displays this message.
[05:53] <twb> linshine: diff <(ssh good-host dpkg --get-selections | sort) <(ssh bad-host dpkg --get-selections | sort)
[05:54] <twb> linshine: is the state of landscape-sysinfo different on the two hosts?
[05:56] <linshine> twb: i'm looking for packages differences. i don't think i have landscape installed, though
[05:56] <twb> linshine: that diff I just showed you will list package differences
[06:01] <micahg> any samba experts around?
[06:04] <KurtKraut> micahg, I belive asking such a question will make some people insecure to step in and say 'me' :P
[06:05] <micahg> KurtKraut: sorry, we have a user in #ubuntu-bugs with an issue and I don't know enough to figure out if the issue was solved upstream or not
[06:05] <micahg> I need someone to look at a bug and an upstream changelog to tell me if any of the bugs match
[06:06] <KurtKraut> micahg, I suggest you to pastebin the conversation log and offer here the URL. So, some people that are experienced but do not consider themselves as experts may read and give you a hand.
[06:07] <micahg> bug 522482
[06:07] <micahg> user mentioned this forum post: http://www.mail-archive.com/samba@lists.samba.org/msg102804.html
[06:07] <micahg> and here's the samba 3.4.1 changelog: http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.1.html
[06:14] <linshine> twb: sorry, took awhile, only differences were multimedia packages
[06:15] <linshine> also checked sshd_conf on both and they're identical
[06:16] <linshine> motd on one shows 0 packages can be updated 0 updates are security updates.
[06:16] <linshine> on the other PC i don't get this message
[06:17] <linshine> what controls when the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ are run?
[06:18] <linshine> if i manually run 90-updates-available, i see the printout of 0 updates 0 security, but this doesn't get written to motd?
[06:19] <linshine> is there a way to force it to write to motd?
[07:10] <Roxyhart08> hi guy i got a PDC congifured...what i need to do for windows cleitn can detect this PDC as Domain Controler...i am tryng to join the windows client from the client and i got the error: DNS name doesnt exist
[07:25] <Callum__> Roxyhart08: Set the IP address of the PDC as the primary DNS server
[07:26] <Roxyhart08> but i dont have installed DNS in this server, is anoter one
[07:27] <Roxyhart08> sorry, what do you mean...not sure if i understood
[07:33] <Callum__> Roxyhart08: Set the IP address of the PDC as the primary DNS server on the TCP/IP settings of the client computer
[07:34] <Sakara> Just attempted to install ubuntu server powerpc ps3 onto a ps3 console. After selecting install from the bootloaders menu a blackscreen appears and nothing happens.
[07:34] <Sakara> No beeps just a black screen.
[07:34] <Roxyhart08> so, my PDC must to be DNS?
[08:20] <Roxyhart08> hi somebody is working with tinydns?
[08:39] <Roxyhart08> im tryin to install djbdns and i got this error :initctl: Unknown job: svscanstarter
[08:39] <Roxyhart08> any idea
[08:46] <acalvo> Roxyhart08: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/samba-dc.html
[08:48] <Roxyhart08> samba?
[08:48] <acalvo> how would you do a PDC without samba for a opensource linux server?
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> i did
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> my problem now is install a dns
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> tinydns
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> do you know how?
[08:54] <acalvo> install bind
[08:54] <acalvo> is easy and there are a lot of howtos
[08:54] <acalvo> (my own opinion tough)
[08:55]  * nijaba shares acalvo's opinion.  It is always better when you can pick a solution that is maintained by the security team. Bind9 is in main...
[08:56] <hyperlinx> hi guys
[08:56] <hyperlinx> hi guys
[09:03] <fahadsadah> Is anyone here familiar with the internal workings of libpam-ldap?
[09:07] <hyperlinx> need some help about lamp installation without WAN connections
[09:16] <progre55> hi people! any step-by-step guides on how to create an image to use for a could system (e.g. Canonical's Landscape)?
[09:20] <jiboumans> morning folks
[09:20] <jiboumans> progre55: you mean 'cloud system'?
[09:22] <progre55> oh, yeah :)
[09:22] <progre55> jiboumans: sorry, a typo there :) yeah, cloud systems
[09:23] <jiboumans> progre55: so we already publish several cloud images, so i assume you're looking to customize one?
[09:24] <progre55> jiboumans: yep, a tutorial on how to create customized images would be perfect
[09:24] <progre55> jiboumans: oh and the publised images you mentioned.. where can I find them? =)
[09:26] <jiboumans> progre55: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/
[09:26] <progre55> jiboumans: thanks
[09:27] <jiboumans> progre55: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC # contains links to buildign & bundling images
[09:27] <progre55> jiboumans: awesome! appreciate, man!
[09:28] <jiboumans> progre55: no worries -- there's also the ubuntu-cloud list you can sign up to and ask questions #  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-cloud
[09:28] <progre55> nice
[09:29] <progre55> jiboumans: thanks man
[09:44] <Roxyhart08> hi guys i got samba 3.4.0 for my ubuntu 9.10, i was recomended uodate to lucis samba version. how i can do it from ubuntu 9.10?
[10:11] <Roxyhart08> sombody know how i can install samba 3.4.5 in my ubuntu 9.10?
[10:32] <Roxyhart08> hi i got a package samba.tar how i do to install it?
[10:47] <ghostlines> hi all
[10:47] <ghostlines> anyone a little experience with bacual?
[10:50] <hyperlinx> how can I test whether the server is apache2 server installed on my ubuntu?
[10:50] <hyperlinx> do i need a browser ?
[10:54] <ghostlines> hmm I'm not sure but i think you can enter an invalid url and you will see which apache version is running
[10:55] <ghostlines> or just type apache in the terminal and hit tab to autocomplete and see if you get apache or apache2
[10:55] <ghostlines> most probably you have apache2 i think
[11:12] <acalvo> hyperlinx: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache
[12:30] <sherr> hyperlinx: dpkg -l "*apache2*"
[12:30] <sherr> hyperlinx: netstat -lnpt
[13:20] <mdeslaur> kirkland: do we need to merge libvirt 0.7.6, or are we staying with 0.7.5? My name is beside it on merges.ubuntu.com, but I wasn't intending to merge it...
[13:29] <zul> morning
[13:37] <zul> mdeslaur: how did the samba merge go?
[13:38] <mdeslaur> zul: okay I guess....I'm still trying to figure out a sane workflow with source format 3.0 packages...
[13:44] <Daviey> zul: I started looking at doing an apport hook.  So far it's looking somewhat thin with just a reference to attach_conffiles().. not quite sure what else to add!
[13:45] <zul> Daviey: it depends on the package and how far you want to go with it, if you want to look at a more complicated example then have a look at samba
[13:49] <Daviey> zul: I was looking at spamassassin, considering we don't ship it in daemon mode - it made sense to just attach changed defaults confs.
[13:50] <zul> Daviey: sounds cool to me
[13:51] <Daviey> zul: I spotted a recent dh_apport addition.  Still working out if i should use that or install
[13:52] <zul> Daviey: yeah that was added recently i would recommend you use that
[13:55] <kirkland> mdeslaur: if it's a stable release, i would probably say we should, though i'll defer to jdstrand
[14:01]  * jdstrand guesses we are talking about libvirt
[14:02] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, kirkland: do you guys need me to do something?
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: do you have an opinion on merging 0.7.6 libvirt for lucid?
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: or stick with 0.7.5
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: i don't have the time or inclination to do 0.7.6 right now
[14:03] <kirkland> jdstrand: mdeslaur was asking me about it
[14:03] <mdeslaur> jdstrand, kirkland: I don't mind doing it, I just wasn't sure if you guys wanted to stick to 0.7.5 for some reason
[14:04] <jdstrand> kirkland: my gut reaction is that there have been a lot of changes lately that I'm a little leery of, but those might have been after 0.7.6 was released
[14:04] <jdstrand> kirkland, mdeslaur: I don't have time to do it at the moment
[14:04] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: what kind of changes?
[14:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: see http://libvirt.org/news.html
[14:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: some of the security driver reworking I've not tested
[14:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: if you want to give it a shot, the qrt test script for libvirt exercises the apparmor functionality quite well-- and the build tests test the rest of it
[14:07] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: okay, let me build it and try the scripts
[14:10] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: so, I need to run the qrt test script _inside_ a lucid vm?
[14:10] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: yeah
[14:11] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: well, you don't have to, but it is certainly safest
[14:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: in fact, I wouldn't try to run it outside of a vm
[14:13] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ok, cool
[14:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: see the top of the script-- it tells you what you need to do
[14:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: feel free to update the directions as necessary
[14:15] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: thanks
[14:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: no, thank you! :)
[14:27] <hshong> hi where is keyboard layout configuration file?
[14:29] <smoser> mathiaz, at this point i have to believe that bug 522292 is user error
[14:30] <smoser> where 'user' is quite possibly my script
[14:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: ubuntu-ha PPA has all the stuff we need
[14:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - which one do you need sponsoring for?
[14:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: ie which are not in universe for now?
[14:53] <ivoks> mathiaz: corosync, openais, redhat-cluster, ocfs2-tools, lvm
[14:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: and drbd
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: lvm: I think cjwatson was working on a merge from Debian
[14:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: wasn't it kees?
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: someone else from the fondation team - did you sync up with them>
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: oh right - it was kees
[14:55] <ivoks> yes, i've told him what are the plans
[14:55] <ivoks> we can demote to universe after FF, right?
[14:55] <ivoks> that would be needed for cman
[14:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes
[14:55] <ivoks> great
[15:13] <ttx> smoser: I can fix and upload the cloudfusion one if you ack my branch
[15:13] <ttx> smoser: no need for you to do another round on it
[15:14] <smoser> i merged your branch
[15:14] <smoser> and fixed the other 3
[15:14] <ttx> ah :)
[15:14] <smoser> commented tha tin the bug i think
[15:14] <smoser> but maybe i forgot
[15:14] <ttx> i'm out of date
[15:14] <smoser> anyway, if not, its there.
[15:14] <ttx> ok, will upload
[15:14] <smoser> i also sent an email to the upstream guy
[15:14] <smoser> asking which tarball to use
[15:14] <ttx> unless marthiaz wants to have a look into them before
[15:14] <ttx> or mathiaz
[15:14] <ttx> smoser: he answered
[15:15] <ttx> smoser: pointing to (yet another) tarball
[15:15] <ttx> smoser: just update the watch file :)
[15:15] <smoser> ah
[15:15] <smoser> :)
[15:16] <ttx> mathiaz: are you ok with the right_aws and the txaws ones ?
[15:16] <ttx> i did a quick review of them
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: right_aws seemed ok
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: I don't remember exactly about txaws
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: nothing scary though
[15:17] <mathiaz> ttx: if you've reviewed them and you're ok with them, go ahead
[15:17] <ttx> mathiaz: upload at will
[15:17] <mathiaz> ttx: great - so you'll upload right_aws, txaws and cloudfusion?
[15:17] <ttx> I'll upload cloudfusion
[15:18] <ttx> mathiaz: you do right_aws
[15:18] <ttx> and we race for txaws ?
[15:19] <smoser> ttx, watch file updated and pushed
[15:19]  * ttx pauses for a bit to give mathiaz a head start
[15:23] <smoser> ttx, mathiaz thank you.
[15:39] <smoser> mathiaz, at some point... (later), can you help me sort out https://code.launchpad.net/cloud-init with https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init
[15:39] <smoser> ideally (at least i think) i want to have all history in the packaging branches
[15:39] <smoser> but at minimal i want some common ancestry so i can merge :)
[15:40] <smoser> oh, but wait, maybe i'm not suppoed to merge... anyway, some point i'd like some of your time.
[15:44] <ttx> smoser: hmm, that tarball Ryan pointed us to is quite empty
[15:45] <ttx> I question their release process.
[15:45] <ttx> i'll fire up an email to him
[15:45] <smoser> gah.
[15:46] <smoser> ttx, thank you.
[15:49] <ivoks_doing_mirs> please act on bug 521373 :)
[15:50] <ivoks_doing_mirs> and i promise, after LTS i'll sing up for core dev :)
[15:50] <ivoks_doing_mirs> sign even :D
[15:54] <ivoks_doing_mirs> kirkland: ping
[15:54] <kirkland> ivoks_doing_mirs: yo
[15:54] <ivoks> kirkland: you are in ubuntu-archive, right?
[15:54] <kirkland> ivoks: yup
[15:54] <ttx> kirkland: don't answer, sounds like a trick
[15:54] <ttx> too late
[15:54] <ivoks> kirkland: could you help me on pushing new packages to universe?
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: possibly
[15:55] <ivoks> or is there a procedure that i have to figure out and work on it and then get frustrated? :)
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: how many are we talking about?
[15:55] <ivoks> kirkland: 2
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: are they clean?
[15:55] <ttx> ivoks: on bug 521373... you mean "sync" ?
[15:55] <ivoks> ttx: for sync, mir for one package is needed first
[15:55] <ttx> (or it's missing a patch ?)
[15:55] <ivoks> kirkland: clean?
[15:56] <kirkland> ivoks: easy, small, straightforward?
[15:56] <ivoks> ttx: there's a package in main (libtest-script-perl) that depends on package in universe
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: not that small, but most of the files in those are already in universe
[15:57] <ttx> ivoks: I'm not sure I get what you are asking help with ?
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: heartbeat was split into: heartbeat, cluster-glue and cluster-agents
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: to get new heartbeat, i need cluster-glue and cluster-agents (which depends on cluster-glue)
[15:58] <ttx> ivoks: want someone to actually work on the merge ?
[15:58] <ttx> (there is nothing to upload in that bug)
[15:58] <ivoks> ok, so here is the thing
[15:59] <ivoks> one package in universe build-depends on newer version of libtest-script-perl
[15:59] <ivoks> new version of libtest-script-perl it build-depends on package from universe too
[15:59] <ivoks> but libtest-script-perl is in main
[16:00] <ivoks> so to get libtest-script-perl in shape, we need to sync newer version from debian + move to main one package from universe
[16:00] <ttx> ok, so the bug is a sync bug, not a merge like the title implies, and it's blocked
[16:00] <ivoks> right, a sync
[16:00] <ivoks> sorry about the merge stuff
[16:00] <ttx> ivoks: ok, makes sense now
[16:01] <ttx> will fix it
[16:01] <ivoks> thanks
[16:01] <smoser> kirkland, if you (or anyone else) is/are sitting around doing nothing, and want to sponsor a python-boto upload
[16:01] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/boto/+bug/520707
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, there's no MIR for libtest-simple-perl right? Since it is Build-Depends-Indep for libtest-warn-perl.
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> and libtest-simple-perl is in universe
[16:05] <ivoks> eh, let me check
[16:05] <ttx> ivoks: about bug 521373 again... 1.07-1 is already in lucid
[16:05] <ivoks> ttx: oh
[16:05] <ivoks> ttx: but it can't be built :)
[16:06] <ttx> ivoks: right :)
[16:06] <ttx> I can close that bug, I suppose
[16:06] <ivoks> ok
[16:07] <kirkland> smoser: tied up at the moment
[16:07] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: checking...
[16:07] <smoser> yeah, i thought so. is not a feature, so it goes for "later"
[16:07] <smoser> but i would like to ask that it be addressed by alpha3
[16:08] <ttx> smoser: targeted to alpha3, so it won't be lost
[16:08] <smoser> i just did the same.
[16:09] <smoser> if you can follow my comments in the bug, its quite straightforward and patch taken upstream
[16:09] <smoser> so it shoudl be very simple
[16:09] <ttx> smoser: you need to target to release: Lucid when you do that
[16:09] <smoser> ah
[16:09] <ttx> and ask someone (me) to ack the nomination*
[16:09] <smoser> hm... wonder where else i've not done that
[16:09] <ttx> that's a UI glitch
[16:09] <smoser> that seems silly that you have to do that
[16:09] <smoser> yeah
[16:09] <smoser> and that it allows you to if its not right
[16:10] <ttx> for some readon it fails to appear in release team buglists if you don't
[16:10] <ttx> you aren't the first one to fall in that hole
[16:12] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: hm...
[16:12] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: perl-modules provides that
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: package builds and installs, but i have no libtest-simple-perl installed
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: yeah, perl-modules provides it
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: no mir for that
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, even though it is listed as Build-Depends-Indep and in Depends?
[16:14] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: that's right, cause perl-modules package provides it
[16:15] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: if you install perl-modules, you'll have libtest-simple-perl
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so I'll just put in the MIR description that the dependency is provided by perl-modules
[16:15] <ivoks> or all deps in main
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, or something like: 6. Dependencies: Some in main, some in universe. Related MIRs:
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> libtree-dagnode-perl: bug 523257
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> libtest-simple-perl: Even thought it is in universe, it is provided by perl-modules.
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: perl-modules contain perl modules that are also contained in libtest-simple-perl
[16:18] <ttx> mathiaz: i'm on txaws
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: having those both is pointless
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: that's why perl-modules 'meta provides' that package
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok
[16:19] <ivoks> it's like firefox and chromium
[16:19] <ivoks> both provide browser package
[16:19] <ivoks> or lighttpd and apache
[16:19] <ivoks> or postfix and exim
[16:19] <ivoks> etc
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> ok
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, In kvm, if I for example setup several subnetworks for the vm's using a single bridged interface (eth0), would this VM's be able to ping between themselves (in the same network) and able to do NAT, to VM's that use the same bridge?
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> even thought if there's no cable connected to eth0
[16:25] <ivoks> let's all say kirkland at the same time :)
[16:27] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: internal network, yes, they should
[16:28] <ttx> smoser, mathiaz, kirkland: txaws uploaded, waiting in NEW
[16:28] <mathiaz> ttx: great thanks!
[16:28] <smoser> thank you
[16:28] <mathiaz> ttx: I'm reviewing right_aws
[16:28] <ttx> cloudfusion blocked on upstream pointing us to a sensible source tarball
[16:28]  * smoser hurridly writes a query tool and accompaning motd hook.
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok ;)
[16:29] <ttx> mathiaz, smoser: work items updated
[16:29] <kirkland> ttx: zul: could one of you sponsor smoser's boto fix?
[16:30] <zul> kirkland: sure
[16:30] <zul> where is it?
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, do you have HW to test the loadbalancing part, since my VM loadbalancers don't loadbalance and I do not know if it's becausem Im using VM's or if it's because of ipvsadm or packet forwarding problem
[16:30]  * ttx will stop now and be back later to upload cloudfusion in case we get an answer from upstream
[16:30] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: no at the moment, but it should work in VMs
[16:31] <ttx> smoser: what would you suggest as a fallback mechanism ? The zip file seems the most complete release media...
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so I'll guess we can work that up later. And that's what I think, it should work in the VM's. I get keepalived to do failover, and track the real servers, but ipvsadm keeps rejecting connections in the VIP... i just need to figure out if its keepalived nat implementation, or ipvsadm itself... or even packet forwarding is not working
[16:33] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: we can get keepalived sorted later
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah... anyways.. I gotta run... there are some MIRs left :)
[16:33] <zul> smoser: url for boto fix?
[16:34] <mdeslaur> kirkland: fyi, new libvirt has broken apparmor support, so it won't get merged for FF
[16:34] <smoser> is there not a linked branch?
[16:34] <kirkland> mdeslaur: okay
[16:34] <kirkland> mdeslaur: thanks for trying
[16:34] <mdeslaur> np
[16:34]  * ttx afk &
[16:34] <smoser> zul, bug 520707 . linked branch there.
[16:35] <smoser> ttx, i guess the zip makes the most sense. as otherwise we wont have those libraries around.
[16:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok
[16:35] <greybrimstone> Hi guys, I am trying to configure apache2 with mod_proxy and modsecurity2, and it needs to connect to a bacend IBM WebSphere java server... where is mod ajp?
[16:35] <smoser> also, it would seem to me that "getcloudfusion.com" would be a sensible release location.
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: heh
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok then. Im off. later :)
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: needs repackaging and doesn't have the README.textile, so I need to remove that from the build, but that's about it
[16:35] <greybrimstone> Anyone here know what the hell happened to AJP?
[16:36] <greybrimstone> Don't I need it for this reverse proxy configuration
[16:36] <ttx> smoser: will do that if we don't have a better candidate in 3 hours
[16:39] <greybrimstone> So this an't be possible, nobody here had any idea how to setup a reverse proxy in ubuntu with mod_proxy, mod_security and mod_ajp (which no longer seems to exist).
[16:43] <ivoks> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39307692/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.corosync_1.2.0-0ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[16:43] <ivoks> awesome
[16:46] <mathiaz> smoser: right_aws uploaded to the archive
[16:46] <smoser> i see. thanks.
[16:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: right_aws should be in the NEW queue
[16:47] <mathiaz> smoser: also the two packages I've sponsored aren't attributed to you because I changed the changelog entry
[16:47] <mathiaz> smoser: the reason for doing is because I made some changes to your proposal
[16:48] <mathiaz> smoser: I'd only sign a package if there aren't any changes made to the proposal
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: and then the upload would be attributed to the sponsored rather than the sponsor
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: the goal here is to first get the packages in the archive
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: and second to get you to learn packaging and suggestions along the way
[16:50] <smoser> oh, no, mathiaz, i see through you, you're a glory hungry coder, trying to take credit for all my work
[16:50] <smoser> :)
[16:50] <smoser> but once i look past that, i'm ok with it
[16:50] <mathiaz> smoser: great! ;)
[16:54] <mathiaz> smoser: allright - let's tackle the cloud-init upload
[16:54] <smoser> that is done.
[16:54] <smoser> zul did it.
[16:55] <mathiaz> smoser: oh - I see now.
[16:56] <freopen> Can iptables lose packets on a weak machine? Why it happens?
[16:56] <mathiaz> smoser: we can look into stiching all the bzr branches later then
[16:56] <smoser> yes. later.
[16:56] <smoser> now i race on cloud-utils query tool
[16:57] <freopen> I ping server and all ok. I ping internet from server and all ok. But i ping internet from my machine and i see lost packets
[16:57] <freopen> On my server iptables does MASQUERADE on packets from wlan0 to ppp0
[16:58] <freopen> and check mac address
[17:00] <SockPants> hi all
[17:01] <SockPants> i'm trying to configure apache to block all subdirectories of /var/www/todo apart from images/ and . itself, but it's not working so far. i have this: http://pastebin.com/m17fe8848
[17:01] <zul> smoser/kirkland: done
[17:01] <kirkland> zul: thanks, you da man
[17:01] <SockPants> as you can see i'm missing the regex on line 11, i don't know what to put
[17:04] <greybrimstone> Where did mod_ajp go for apache2?
[17:05] <greybrimstone> sbeattie: what do I use to proxy to an IBM WebSphere server in ubuntu with mod proxy http
[17:05] <greybrimstone> I wanted mod ajp
[17:16] <Pici> greybrimstone: libapache2-mod-jk2 looks like it might be able to do what you want, but thats just from the package description.  I don't know anything about websphere or ajp.
[17:16]  * zul lunches
[17:20] <greybrimstone> Pici awesome, so that will enable me to connect to a back-end java server basically?
[17:20] <greybrimstone> wow did I ever spell that wrong
[17:20] <greybrimstone> Pici, by the way, thank you for the help man... I do really appreciate it.
[17:27] <Kaushal> hi
[17:27] <Kaushal> I have Dell Poweredge 1950 server with SAS 6iR intergrated RAID controller.
[17:28] <Kaushal> does anyone know of any drivers that will
[17:28] <Kaushal> work with Ubuntu Linux 8.04 Server (Hardy) ?
[17:28] <Kaushal> Please suggest
[17:31] <ivoks> it doesn't work out of the box?
[17:31] <sherr> Kaushal: what does /var/log/syslog see + lspci
[17:32] <Kaushal> sherr, I am trying to load 8.04 LTS on this Dell Server
[17:32] <sherr> Kaushal: Poweredge forums : http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/
[17:32] <Kaushal> it doesnot allow me to load
[17:33] <ivoks> it doesn't load? at what stage?
[17:33] <ivoks> disk partitioning?
[17:34] <ivoks> are you using 8.04 or 8.04.4?
[17:34] <Kaushal> ivoks, disk partitioning yes
[17:34] <Kaushal> it says root device not found
[17:34] <Kaushal> I am using 8.04 and not 8.04.4
[17:36] <ichat> where to mount my diskspace if i want to build a print/file server with ebox
[17:36] <ivoks> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200804-264/
[17:36] <ivoks> Kaushal: ^^
[17:37] <greybrimstone> ls
[17:37] <greybrimstone> er
[17:37] <greybrimstone> lol
[17:37] <Kaushal> ivoks, so it wont work for Hardy 8.04.4 either ?
[17:38] <SockPants> anyone want to help me figure out an apache config problem?
[17:38] <ivoks> Kaushal: it should work with 8.04
[17:38] <ivoks> Kaushal: are you using network install or cd install?
[17:39] <Kaushal> both
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: net install won't work
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: for net install you need latest environment
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: so, update your net install to 8.04.4
[17:40] <ivoks> Kaushal: installer can't find modules on net cause kernel that it uses is obsolete
[17:40] <ivoks> i'm quite sure dell raid controlers work with 8.04
[17:40] <ivoks> i have couple of those
[17:41] <Kaushal> so i have to use CD install ?
[17:41] <ivoks> i had simillar issue with 3ware controler
[17:41] <ivoks> Kaushal: use latest 8.04.4 cd install or latest 8.04.4 net install
[17:41] <Kaushal> which has 8.04.4 image
[17:41] <Kaushal> cool will try it out
[17:41] <Kaushal> so it wont work with 8.04 ?
[17:42] <Kaushal> am i understanding you corectly ?
[17:42] <ivoks> no if you are using net install
[17:42] <ivoks> but it should with cd install
[17:42] <Kaushal> ivoks, it did not worked with CD install having image 8.04
[17:43] <ivoks> Kaushal: try with 8.04.4
[17:44] <ivoks> and let me know where exactly does it fail
[17:44] <Kaushal> ivoks, sure and Thanks
[17:44] <ivoks> not finding root means that it did partitioning already
[17:44] <ivoks> but you haven't selected /
[17:44] <Kaushal> any specific reason why it would not work on 8.04
[17:44] <Kaushal> is it due to old kernel ?
[17:47] <Kaushal> ivoks, got it  installer can't find modules on net cause kernel that it uses is obsolete
[17:47] <Kaushal> right ?
[17:47] <ivoks> Kaushal: right
[17:47] <ivoks> Kaushal: grab latest 8.04 (8.04.4) and try with that
[17:47] <Kaushal> sure
[17:48] <ivoks> update net install to use 8.04.4
[17:48] <Kaushal> ivoks, so net install is also pxe server too ?
[17:48] <Kaushal> right
[17:48] <Kaushal> I mean other name for net install
[17:48] <ivoks> yes
[17:49] <ivoks> i guess you used pxe boot doc from net
[17:49] <ivoks> https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[17:49] <ivoks> this one
[17:49] <ivoks> this one works
[17:49] <ivoks> cause it uses 'current' in link
[17:54] <Kaushal> ivoks, Thanks
[17:55] <mathiaz> zul: hi - do you still need to write up a wiki page for the MIR process?
[17:56] <zul> mathiaz: nope
[17:56] <ivoks> argh
[17:56] <mathiaz> kees: jdstrand: mdeslaur: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe-all.html doesn't exist anymore
[17:57] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: are you looking for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html
[17:57] <mathiaz> kees: I'm looking at the security section of  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements wiki page
[17:57] <jdstrand> mathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html
[17:57]  * mathiaz updates the wiki page
[17:58] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: and for the secunia site, it seems that http://secunia.com/advisories/search/ is the correct url
[17:59] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: cool, thanks for updating that
[17:59] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: there are two links to search ui
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: which one should be used?
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: # CVE Search on NVD or # Search Master Copy of CVE ?
[18:01] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: I'd use the NVD
[18:10] <mathiaz> kees: I'm writting up a MIR for libpam-ccreds - there's a suid binary in there
[18:10] <mathiaz> kees: IIUC that would require a more thorough security review
[18:25] <kees> mathiaz: ok, noted.
[18:25] <ivoks> kick me
[18:25] <ivoks> i was a fool
[18:26] <ivoks> kirkland: if you haven't already, decline cluster-glue and cluster-agents
[18:26] <kirkland> ivoks: doh
[18:26] <kirkland> ivoks: okay, why?
[18:26] <ivoks> kirkland: hard coded deps on bunch of unneeeded stuff
[18:27] <kirkland> k
[18:28] <kirkland> ivoks: done
[18:28] <ivoks> kirkland: thanks
[18:39] <smoser> ttx, the 4th cloudfusion 2.5.0 was delivered to your inbox
[18:40] <smoser> going simply from the file list it looks like what we'd want.
[18:59] <ttx> smoser: hmmm, right. However that's hardly what I would call an official source tarball
[18:59] <smoser> yeah
[18:59] <ttx> I'll go for te one in getcloudfusion
[19:00] <smoser> i think requesting him to place that somewhere "official like" would be good.
[19:00] <ttx> they should sort that out
[19:00] <smoser> i dont think its any less official than the one he sent earlier
[19:00] <ttx> heh
[19:00] <ivoks> kirkland: cluster-glue that i just uploaded is ok
[19:00] <smoser> ttx, thank you for doing this.
[19:01] <ttx> smoser: I don't have time for a new roundtrip with him
[19:02] <smoser> yeah. i agree.
[19:02]  * ttx grumbles
[19:03] <ttx> smoser: we can fix that afterwards
[19:03] <ttx> i'll just use the getcloudfusion zipfile
[19:07] <ttx> hrrrm
[19:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thanks for the virt-manager merge-- the scaling it can do is pretty cool
[19:15] <jdstrand> (yes, I am just now playing with it :)
[19:16] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, it's cool
[19:20] <AdamDV> Whats the benifit of private cloud computing?
[19:20] <AdamDV> Is it like server clustering?
[19:21] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, the benefit of a private cloud is: being private. you own all the hardware it runs on.
[19:22] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, the other options would be hiring a company to run your virtual servers for you on their equipament, on their datacenter.
[19:22] <AdamDV> Okay, whats the benifit of cloud computing in general?
[19:23] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: Is it like, distributed processing, something like a server cluster?
[19:23] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, not at all.
[19:23] <AdamDV> Whats the purpose then? High Availability? or?
[19:24] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, High Availability would reside in the cluster concept too. And I don't see 'cloud computing' as a cluster.
[19:24] <AdamDV> Whats the purpose then? Google has been unnhelpful.
[19:24] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, it is just several virtual servers running on real physical servers.
[19:25] <AdamDV> So, that would be something like a VPS?
[19:25] <_ruben> cloud computing isnt much more then 2009/2010's buzz word in my book
[19:25] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, exactly.
[19:25] <AdamDV> I see
[19:25] <_ruben> virtualization + a bit of easy provisioning
[19:25] <AdamDV> Yea, I understand now.
[19:25] <ivoks> cloud + HA = awesome
[19:26] <ivoks> where your images are on high availability storage and your nodes do the hard work
[19:27] <_ruben> ivoks: still doesnt sound cloudy to me really ;)
[19:28] <AdamDV> ivoks: ?
[19:28] <AdamDV> Heh
[19:28] <AdamDV> I never got the high availability setup, I should look into that.
[19:28] <ttx> smoser: cloudfusion uploaded, based on the latest ZIP
[19:28] <ivoks> _ruben: it's to cloudy :D
[19:28] <smoser> thank you again, ttx
[19:28] <_ruben> ivoks: probably ;)
[19:29] <ttx> smoser: they should really get a clue on what "releasing" means
[19:29] <ivoks> i was at the conference
[19:29] <ivoks> wher one guy was giving a talk about cloud computing
[19:29] <ivoks> and all he really said is 'look, we have a web service, you can access it from anywhere, therefor it's a cloud'
[19:30] <_ruben> haha
[19:30] <ivoks> of course, it doesn't scale
[19:30] <ivoks> and i don't thing they even have fail over if server dies
[19:30] <ivoks> but, you can sell anything with 'cloud' today
[19:30] <ivoks> s/thing/think/
[19:31] <_ruben> basicly all that cloud computing offers over "classic" virtualization is a nice abstraction layer for easy provisioning and not really having to deal with individual host systems
[19:32] <_ruben> which, depending on the environment, are features possibly already being offered by other systems
[19:41] <AdamDV> _ruben: Define abstraction layer.
[19:43] <ivoks> _ruben: what's cool with clouding is that resources scale on demand
[19:43] <ivoks> _ruben: at least, they should
[19:46] <ivoks> awesome time for PPAs to die
[19:51] <DrNick_> 'elastisity' is the buzzword.
[19:52] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, cant upload?
[19:52] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: chroot dies
[19:52] <tbc> AdamDV: have you looked at Ubuntu's cloud page on the Web?
[19:53] <AdamDV> No?
[19:53] <AdamDV> Link?
[19:53] <tbc> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[19:53] <tbc> I think Simon's definition works.
[19:54] <tbc> AdamDV: here's more http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/why-ubuntu
[19:54] <AdamDV> Thanks
[19:54] <AdamDV> Reading now
[20:01] <AdamDV> Hmmm
[20:01] <AdamDV> So if I understand it.
[20:01] <AdamDV> Cloud computing is like "Okay, we need another server for the next 2 days"
[20:01] <AdamDV> *runs command, boots vps through xen*
[20:01] <AdamDV> "Done"
[20:01] <AdamDV> Whereas virtualization is just having VPS's in the first place.
[20:02] <AdamDV> And cloud computing is like copy pasting a virtual harddrive, something like that?
[20:02] <AdamDV> Its scalable virtual computing?
[20:06] <AdamDV> tbc: Something like that?
[20:07] <tbc> AdamDV: Sorry. my IRC connection got reset. I say "something like that" just now, but missed anything else you may have written in past 10 minutes.
[20:07] <tbc> s/I say/I saw/
[20:08] <AdamDV> tbc: http://pastebin.com/m49885da3
[20:09]  * tbc reads and thinks...
[20:12] <tbc> AdamDV: i think you're on the right track. Some things I would tweak...
[20:12] <AdamDV> such as?
[20:13] <tbc> One key element of the concept of cloud is that you won't care about the underlying infrastructure anymore.
[20:13] <tbc> Whether private or public, you're abstracting away from the idea of individual servers and separate storage.
[20:13] <tbc> When you talk about a cloud, that is.
[20:14] <AdamDV> so, instead of being like "I have 3 Quad Core Xeon Dedi's"
[20:14] <AdamDV> its "I have the power I need"
[20:14] <tbc> That's how I see it.
[20:14] <AdamDV> And, your site scales up and down automatically.
[20:14] <AdamDV> ?
[20:14] <tbc> Yes.
[20:14] <AdamDV> I see
[20:15] <AdamDV> Useful.
[20:15] <tbc> You'll get different answers from different people.
[20:15] <AdamDV> Yea
[20:15] <AdamDV> But, now, how does this all work?
[20:15] <tbc> The concept is still too new to pin down. But I think Ubuntu is on the right track. Eucalyptus is a key technology to watch.
[20:16] <tbc> Amazon created an API. That's a good place to start.
[20:16] <AdamDV> I guess Eucalyptus detects things like apache is slowing down, and automatically provisions a new vps and boots it, or...?
[20:16] <AdamDV> Ah
[20:16] <tbc> Excellent question. I don't know the features well enough to say.
[20:16] <tbc> But I think it should.
[20:16] <tbc> A cloud should be proactive.
[20:16] <AdamDV> I see
[20:16] <AdamDV> cool
[20:17] <AdamDV> Well, I don't think I'm going to adopt just yet
[20:17] <AdamDV> I prefer my own homebrew solution with a couple linodes.
[20:17] <tbc> In a cloud, the system should alert you that it might be a good idea to migrate some guests and power down some physical servers that aren't being used, for example. People might eventually configure stuff like that to happen automatically. I think some already do.
[20:18] <tbc> AdamDV: if all you need is a couple linodes, then cloud is definitely overkill.
[20:19] <tbc> A private cloud might make sense for a big chunk of an enterprise, and public clouds promise to scale to the Internet. Thus Amazon's involvement.
[20:19] <AdamDV> By "couple of linodes"
[20:19] <tbc> Economies of scale start to kick in.
[20:19] <AdamDV> I mean around 20 360's.
[20:19] <AdamDV> And a couple dedis from the planet.
[20:19] <AdamDV> ;)
[20:20] <tbc> *nod*
[20:20] <AdamDV> Working on starting something of a web hosting company, using a bunch of home brew software which will be sold.
[20:20] <tbc> Ah.
[20:20] <AdamDV> Pondering the great Red Hat vs Debian vs Ubuntu
[20:21] <tbc> understood
[20:21]  * tbc finds http://www.linode.com/ after googling just now
[20:21] <AdamDV> Yea
[20:21] <tbc> Looks like a competitor. ;)
[20:21] <AdamDV> They will be ;)
[20:21] <AdamDV> But, I'm mainly shared hosting.
[20:22] <AdamDV> VPS is no fun to start with.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Haha
[20:22] <tbc> I know the folks at http://tummy.com/ FWIW.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Working with a team of people to develop something like cPanel, something like MyBB, a collaboration suite, social network, and something of an operating system.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Heh
[20:23]  * AdamDV clicks
[20:23] <AdamDV> Hmmm
[20:23] <AdamDV> NIce :D
[20:23] <AdamDV> Seems proftiable
[20:23] <AdamDV> *profitable
[20:24] <tbc> I assume so. They've been at it since 1993.
[20:25] <AdamDV> wow
[20:25] <AdamDV> that was before I was born. haha.
[20:26] <tbc> *chuckle*
[20:27]  * AdamDV adds #ubuntu-server to autojoin
[20:29]  * tbc visits http://www.theplanet.com/ to see what AdamDV was talking about
[20:30] <AdamDV> tbc: Datacenter in Dallas
[20:30] <AdamDV> Cheap and Reliable dedicated servers.
[20:32] <tbc> *nod*
[20:32] <AdamDV> ubuntu.com needs a softer favicons
[20:32] <AdamDV> *favicon
[20:32]  * AdamDV cant type today, it seems
[20:33] <KurtKraut> If you live outside U.S., ThePlanet isn't reliable.
[20:33] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: Why not?
[20:33] <AdamDV> I'm in Canada.
[20:33] <AdamDV> Havent had a problem.
[20:33] <jpds> AdamDV: softer?
[20:33] <AdamDV> Been with them for 3 years.
[20:33] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, they abuse on foreign clients because we can't sue them.
[20:33] <AdamDV> jpds: http://ubuntuforums.org/favicon.ico
[20:34] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: I haven't had a problem so far.
[20:34] <AdamDV> But, I was considering SoftLayer
[20:34] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, I've met dozens of companies in Brazil that were just kicked on from ThePlanet because they 'complained to much'. And they didn't returned the money paid nor the files hosted.
[20:35] <AdamDV> Well that seems unjust.
[20:35] <AdamDV> But, they're cheap.
[20:35] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, another thing is: they lie. They don't offer truly dedicated servers. Some of them are virtualized.
[20:36] <AdamDV> That, I am aware of.
[20:36] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, a very big client of them in Brazil is a friend of mine. He went to US to visit ThePlanet and other datacenters. He said: 'I want to see all servers I purchased from you.' They showed only the Windows Servers and refused without explanations to show the Linux servers.
[20:37] <AdamDV> Heh
[20:43] <AdamDV> Anyone know of an alternative Cheap, Reliable dedicated server hosting company?
[20:44] <ivoks> mine :D
[20:44] <ivoks> that was a joke :D
[20:48] <AdamDV> ivoks: Link me :P
[20:49] <tbc> AdamDV: have a look at tummy.com for hosting.
[20:49]  * AdamDV studies site more
[20:52] <blistov> Anyone know why open-vm-tools under 9.04 or 9.10 server, don't actually work under esx(i)3.5 or later?
[20:53] <blistov> (Vmware says the VMwaretools state is "unmanaged".
[20:53] <blistov> Been wondering this for months.
[20:53] <blistov> Its about time I finally track down an answer.
[21:35] <Karamon> Hello, how do I change the way a program starts?  I would like to add the -4 tag to BIND when it starts, but don't know where to look.
[21:42] <tbc> Karamon: have a look at contents of /etc/init.d directory and related docs.
[21:46] <thafreak> does anyone know if there are any tutorials or howtos on setting up CLVM?
[21:49] <smoser> mathiaz, did you upload for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521006
[21:50] <smoser> its already in
[21:53] <ttx> smoser: how is it going ?
[21:53] <smoser> getting there.
[21:54] <smoser> you want to sponsor one of my uploads ?
[21:54] <smoser> ttx,
[21:54] <smoser> i can get one together quick (the cloud-tuils)
[21:54] <ttx> smoser: I'd prefer not to :)
[21:54] <smoser> ok
[21:54] <smoser> then go to sleep
[21:54] <ttx> on my way to bed right now
[21:54] <smoser> i'll bother someone else.
[21:54] <ttx> smoser: send me an email if there is anything I should do early tomorrow morning
[21:55] <smoser> ok.
[21:55]  * ttx disappears again
[22:21] <ivoks> kirkland: sorry for interuption...
[22:22] <ivoks> kirkland: just let me know when cluster-glue|-agents are approved/declined
[22:24] <kirkland> ivoks: okay; fighting another fire at the moment
[22:25] <ivoks> kirkland: yeah, i understand
[22:31] <Zombie-Gaz> I've tried doing various forumn / web searches for this - all the "answers" don't work for me. How can I get my system to NOT load the splash screen / Gnome. I want to boot up to the console and have the option to start X if I need to.
[22:34] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: that's really an #ubuntu question
[22:34] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: look at /etc/init/gdm.conf
[22:37] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Sorry mate. Didn't have anyone help me in there and I thought it may qualify as a "server" question.
[22:37] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try that route.
[22:38] <ivoks> that's for gdm
[22:38] <ivoks> splash screen is grub option
[22:38] <ivoks> for that look at /etc/default/grub
[22:39] <ivoks> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[22:41] <Zombie-Gaz> Hm. I have no /etc/default/grub
[22:41] <ivoks> which ubuntu is that?
[22:41] <ivoks> what version
[22:42] <Zombie-Gaz> 9.10
[22:42] <ivoks> then it must be there
[22:42] <ivoks> or you downgraded to grub1
[22:42] <ivoks> or did an upgrade from previous version
[22:43] <ivoks> in which case you have /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:43] <Zombie-Gaz> The latter. :)
[22:43] <Zombie-Gaz> I just found it as you said that.
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: are you waiting around for this?  I'll get to it, but it might be later this evening
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: it's 5pm and i haven't had lunch today :-P
[22:45] <ivoks> kirkland: it's 11pm here
[22:45] <ivoks> kirkland: and i too haven't had a lunch :D
[22:45] <ivoks> or dinner :)
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: ;-)
[22:46] <kirkland> ivoks: okay, i'm grabbing a bite to eat, then i'll take a look at it
[22:46] <Zombie-Gaz> 9.10?
[22:46] <ivoks> kirkland: please, cause i'm waiting with other uploads on this
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: search for # defoptions=quiet splash
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: and just delete splash
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: do not uncomment it
[22:47] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: save and run update-grub
[22:47] <Zombie-Gaz> Do NOT uncomment it?
[22:47] <ivoks> correct
[22:47] <ivoks> just remove word 'splash'
[22:47] <ivoks> so it looks like this
[22:47] <ivoks> # defoptions=quiet
[22:47] <Zombie-Gaz> Got it.
[22:48] <ivoks> kirkland: thanks
[22:49] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Thanks mate.
[22:49] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: np
[22:55] <ivoks> kirkland: i'll be back in an hour :/
[23:43] <AdamDV> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBUgEx_91BU I love that video.
[23:43] <AdamDV> Err
[23:43] <AdamDV> Whoops, wrong channel.