[03:03] <Takyoji> So what other feasible methods of testing Lucid would there be? I've already tested the Nouveau driver on my system, used checkbox, and reported any application crashes with apport so far.
[03:04] <Takyoji> Anything else that's fairly straightforward to do, or?
[03:21] <duanedesign> Takyoji: there is some stuff about testing on the Ubuntu QA site. http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[03:22] <duanedesign> Takyoji: some testcases you can do manually. http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/
[03:23] <Takyoji> Otherwise Mago; is that of writing scripts to automate the process of doing test cases
[03:23] <duanedesign> Takyoji: yes
[03:33] <Takyoji> So if something doesn't work as intended, where would the issue be reported to?
[03:34] <Takyoji> For example, I can't do anything to SD cards; they only mount as read-only on two of my systems (while on my other laptop, I'm able to read and write)
[03:36] <duanedesign> you would report it to launchpad
[03:40] <duanedesign> Takyoji: there is soome usefull info here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[03:41] <duanedesign> Takyoji: here is some info specific to Removable Media: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[03:42] <Takyoji> Thank you
[03:48] <Takyoji> 9.10 and above doesn't use HAL anymore, right?
[03:48] <Takyoji> or am I think of something completely different?
[03:50] <Takyoji> thinking*
[03:53] <duanedesign> Takyoji: you are thinking of the right thing
[03:53] <duanedesign> Takyoji: I am not sure how fully its been removed.
[03:55] <Takyoji> because I noticed the documentation was referring to it
[03:59] <duanedesign> Takyoji: looks like hald is still in use in 9.10. Cant say about Lucid
[04:00] <duanedesign> you can check with:   ps uaxxc | grep hal
[04:01] <Takyoji> There's about 10 processes running starting with "hald"
[04:03] <Takyoji> Should I add my generated files to this bug, or file a new one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/228941
[04:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 228941 in linux (Ubuntu) "sd card detected as read only" [Undecided,New]
[04:05] <Takyoji> Filed about 1.8 years ago
[04:21] <duanedesign> Takyoji: if you wanted to attach it to that bug you would need to determine if you share the same problem. Which could take a little investigating. In order to add to that bug you would need to be certain you bothe suffered from the same 'root cause'
[04:21] <duanedesign> not symptoms. Many problems can cause the same symptom, but might not be the same bug
[04:22] <Takyoji> So then file it as a new bug, and if it is deemed to be the same thing, it'd be marked as a duplicate?
[04:22] <duanedesign> if you are unsure file a seperate bug
[04:22] <Takyoji> alright
[04:23] <Takyoji> And just mark it to only affect the "linux" package?
[04:24] <Takyoji> or would there be any other packages that I should tag it to as well?
[04:27] <duanedesign> Takyoji: that is tought o say. There a couple of different things that could prevent the SD Card reader from working correctly
[04:27] <duanedesign> certain bugs it is not always so obvious what the right package is
[04:27] <duanedesign> you might look through your 'dmesg' and see if there is any clue
[04:28] <Takyoji> There's nothing that implies an error of when the SD card was mounted
[04:29] <Takyoji> the only thing directly relevant is that it implies "Write Protect is on"
[04:29] <Takyoji> although the card is not locked
[04:29] <Takyoji> and I've tried vacuuming and canned air to clear the SD card port.
[04:32] <duanedesign> Takyoji: you can try running: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:33] <duanedesign> while monitoring the Terminal insert the card and see if anything comes u;p
[04:34] <Takyoji> just the same information as dmesg
[04:34] <duanedesign> Takyoji: what format is the card?
[04:34] <Takyoji> also, I noticed a broken link
[04:34] <Takyoji> FAT32
[04:35] <Takyoji> I can't even change the partition type (and yes, after unmounting the device first)
[04:36] <Takyoji> In other words, I can't reformat it as EXT3, EXT4, FAT16, anything.
[04:37] <Takyoji> the error message provided is "Error creating file system: helper exited with exit code 1: cannot open /dev/sdb1: Read-only file system"
[04:40] <Takyoji> As I was implying; I noticed a broken link. On Launchpad, when you're reporting a bug related to the linux package, there's a section titled "linux (Ubuntu) guidelines:" that refers to a page of instructions on the Ubuntu Wiki, a page which doesn't exist.
[04:41] <duanedesign> Takyoji: you can check the disk for errors
[04:41] <duanedesign> sudo dosfsck -a -v /dev/sdb1
[04:43] <Takyoji> It implies the version of it at first; then it implies "open: Read-only file system" and returns back to bash
[04:44] <Takyoji> "dosfsck 3.0.7 (24 Dec 2009)
[04:44] <Takyoji> dosfsck 3.0.7, 24 Dec 2009, FAT32, LFN
[04:44] <Takyoji> open: Read-only file system"
[04:48] <duanedesign>  what does : ls -l /dev/sd*
[04:48] <duanedesign> say for sdb1
[04:49] <duanedesign> Takyoji:  also:  cat /etc/fstab
[04:50] <duanedesign> should have an entry like this: /dev/sdc1  /media/usb  vfat defaults 0 0
[04:50] <Takyoji> http://paste.ubuntu.com/378136/
[04:54] <duanedesign> ok
[04:55] <duanedesign> /dev/sdb1  /media/usb  vfat defaults 0 0
[04:56] <duanedesign> add that to your fstab.
[04:56] <duanedesign> gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[04:58] <Takyoji> alright
[04:59] <Takyoji> Then restart thereafter, or?
[04:59] <Takyoji> Otherwise it's actually an SD card, and wouldn't I have to create the directory /media/usb?
[04:59] <Takyoji> Or is that only if I was going to manually mount it?
[05:01] <duanedesign> Takyoji: yes you would if it does not exist
[05:01] <duanedesign> create the directory that is
[05:02] <duanedesign> sudo mkdir /media/usb
[05:02] <Takyoji> Now restart the system?
[05:02] <duanedesign> yes
[05:04] <Takyoji> Still read-only
[05:04] <duanedesign> :(
[05:07] <Takyoji> I've actually added it to fstab previously, and tried forcing read/write capability to no avail and so forth
[05:08] <duanedesign> Takyoji: ahhh
[05:08] <Takyoji> So would it be conclusive to file the bug then?
[05:09] <Takyoji> I have various SD cards by the way; not just one. All of varying sizes and speeds. None of them seem to ever mount as read and write
[05:09] <duanedesign> Takyoji: i am out of ideas :)
[05:09] <Takyoji> As implied; it's the case for two of my desktops, except for one laptop
[05:09] <Takyoji> And the two desktops are completely different in hardware
[05:11] <Takyoji> otherwise thank you for your assistance and time
[05:20] <duanedesign> your welcome i hope you get it working
[05:20] <Takyoji> hopefully
[06:06] <sbeattie> Takyoji: did the desktops have different SD card readers, or were you sharing one between them?
[06:06] <Takyoji> Completely different card readers
[06:06] <Takyoji> They're both internal ones
[06:09] <Takyoji> otherwise I'll be leaving in a couple minutes or so
[06:10] <sbeattie> Takyoji: are they usb internally or something else? Do they show up in lsusb or lspci?
[06:10] <Takyoji> They might be USB; I'm not entirely certain. I'd have to check
[06:11] <sbeattie> It'd be interesting to search for those specific reader devices and see if they're mentioned in other launchpad reports or elsewhere.
[06:11] <Takyoji> tomorrow I'll check when I get the chance and hopefully remember to report back
[06:13] <sbeattie> Given that multiple cards are having the problem, I'd be looking at the kernel's interactions with the readers as to be the likely source of the issues; I've had no difficulty mounting sd cards, but I don't have a wide variety of readers to work with.
[06:14] <Takyoji> They can read the cards fine; it's just they're never mounted as read and write; even when forced or manually implied
[06:15] <Takyoji> So I can't ever change anything on the SD cards
[06:16] <sbeattie> Right, what I mean is that the kernel and the SD readers are having a difference of opinion as to whether the RO bit is set on the card.
[06:17] <Takyoji> Yea, dmesg implies that it has write protection enabled when it's mounting it
[06:17] <sbeattie> which is why it can't be mounted RW.
[06:17] <Takyoji> "Write Protect is on"
[06:18] <Takyoji> Yet I don't even know if I could "override" that somehow
[06:20] <Takyoji> Anyway, I'll try to return tomorrow. 20 minutes past midnight here.
[06:28] <ara> good morning all!
[07:56] <ara> mvo, morning
[07:56] <ara> mvo, can you paste again the branch with your kvm autotests for upgrade testing? I am interested in having a look
[07:56] <ara> mvo, thanks
[08:02] <mvo> ara: good morning
[08:03] <mvo> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/autotest/gui-upgrades
[08:03] <mvo> that is the branch
[08:03] <ara> mvo, thanks!
[08:03] <mvo> it contains a step file for karmic->lucid and hardy->lucid
[08:03] <ara> mvo, awesome, thank you
[08:03] <mvo> problem is that hardy-lucid will not work because of bugs during the upgrade (unexcpeted config file, networkmanager starting to fail etc)
[08:03] <mvo> but I guess that is a good thing :)
[08:04] <ara> mvo, :)
[08:04] <mvo> I got a machine to run the kvm tests on, I'm currently investigating if it could be used for autotest too
[08:06] <mvo> but its having a really old kvm (kvm-62) that I'm not 100% trust
[08:06] <mvo> but in general ... stepmaker == love
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:16] <ara> morning davmor2
[12:41]  * ara -> lunch
[13:31] <davmor2> fader_: morning Muppet Boy.  How's tricks?
[13:31] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude, what's shakin'?
[13:32] <davmor2> fader_: The tree branches outside in the wind
[13:32] <fader_> Heh
[13:34] <davmor2> or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28TR06gLsiw
[13:43] <davmor2> fader_: did you forget my awesome ability for bad taste ^
[13:43] <fader_> davmor2: never ;)
[13:45] <moustafa> davmor2, fader_, ara, marjo : G'morning
[13:45] <fader_> moustafa: Hey dude
[13:45] <ara> hey moustafa
[13:46] <moustafa> How are you fine folk doing?
[13:54] <davmor2> moustafa: how's things dude?
[14:33] <moustafa> davmor2:  It's a work in progress
[14:33] <davmor2> :)
[14:39] <moustafa> cr3: Baguette!
[14:45] <moustafa> cr3: No baguette?
[14:46] <cr3> moustafa: sorry, in the middle of a conference right now, not much time for soupe du jour
[14:47] <moustafa> cr3: gotcha
[15:40] <MagicFab> alexmoldovan, hey - > come to #ubuntu-qc
[15:41] <moustafa> hey MagicFab!
[15:44] <MagicFab> moustafa, o/
[17:17] <fader_> alexmoldovan: Do you remember the bug number for the nvidia freeze bug?
[17:17] <fader_> davmor2: I thought I had the bug tagged but it looks like I didn't :/
[17:17] <davmor2> :(
[17:18] <alexmoldovan> let me see
[17:18] <davmor2> according to keybuk it sounds like it's known :)
[17:19] <fader_> alexmoldovan: nm, found it -- bug 522692
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522692 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> key causes X to freeze (affects: 15)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522692
[17:19] <fader_> And yeah, it's a known issue
[17:19] <alexmoldovan> that's the one
[17:19] <fader_> Seems to be a plymouth thing
[17:19] <alexmoldovan> yes
[17:20] <fader_> I tagged it this time :)
[20:09] <davmor2> bye
[20:31] <ppine> Hello, is there a possibility to get sun java 6 installed on Lucid lynx?
[20:46] <fader_> ppine: You might have better luck asking on #ubuntu+1
[20:47] <fader_> This channel is mostly for coordinating ongoing tests and is rather quiet at the moment
[20:50] <ppine> fader_: thanks, i'll try that.