[00:01] <Takyoji> I should get a timer for my desktop startup performance..
[00:02] <tonyyarusso> apt-get install bootchart
[00:02] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: oooh, you understand nfsv4 w/kerberos?  You should teach me later...
[00:04] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, to say that I understand it might be a stretch, but I've managed to get it configured on a few systems now
[00:04] <mr_steve> There's a lot of strange little gotchas that aren't properly documented
[00:09] <Takyoji> Gah; what are the commands for adjusting network settings via CLI?
[00:13] <Takyoji> otherwise my ethernet stopped working after attempting hibernation in Lucid
[00:28] <mr_steve> I'm scared to try hibernation again. I forgot my netbook was on lucid and hibernated it before a class break, it didn't resume
[00:29] <mr_steve> And naturally I had forgotten to save my open files
[00:29] <_diablo> mr_steve: it doesn't work for me either in lucid
[00:29] <_diablo> also, you're away...
[00:29] <_diablo> lol
[00:29] <mr_steve> ah dangit
[00:30] <mr_steve> ZNC has a 300-second auto-away by default, and it doesn't seem to disable itself when I start sending messages
[00:32] <mr_steve> Irssi doesn't seem to recognize when ZNC marks me as away, but Xchat did. Weird
[00:32] <_diablo> mr_steve: do you have that cnetworkmanager ppa?
[00:33] <mr_steve> Let me see which packages I've got in there right now
[00:34] <mr_steve> looks like I've got packages of the current version, for both karmic and lucid
[00:34] <mr_steve> https://launchpad.net/~smcgrath23/+archive/smcgrath
[00:35] <mr_steve> They're a couple revisions behind the package I have on REVU, but the only differences are in some debian packaging administrativa
[00:35] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: you can work on the documentation for the Jam then :P
[00:35] <Takyoji> Hibernation works fine for me in 9.10
[00:36] <mr_steve> Oooh documentation. My favorite...
[00:36] <tonyyarusso> of course!
[00:36] <mr_steve> In all seriousness I probably will submit some changes, if I can ever figure out exactly what the "right way" to setup kerberos is
[00:37] <mr_steve> Apparently NFS4 still requires des-cbc-crc keys, although the documenation says that's no longer the case
[00:37] <mr_steve> Takyoji, works great for me on 9.10 too, it's just screwed on 10.04
[00:42] <Takyoji> Anyone else disagree with tabs being on the bottom on Nautilus? :P
[00:42] <Takyoji> in 10.04
[00:43] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I hadn't noticed that yet... but indeed I do. I wonder where they got that idea
[00:43] <mr_steve> It's not exactly conventional
[00:43] <Takyoji> yea; it's a bit awkward
[00:44] <Takyoji> It's pretty much the only thing I disagree with
[00:46] <mr_steve> Hm, nautilus is also ugly as sin without a gtk theme applied. I gotta figure out why gnome-settings-daemon keeps dropping the ball here
[00:46] <mr_steve> Probably because I'm not actually running gnome, and I should just quit being lazy and write a .gtkrc
[00:52] <Takyoji> :P
[00:58] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: screenshot plz
[01:00] <Takyoji> Well, if networking worked on my system right now; it would be fairly straightforward to upload it. :P
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> quit breaking things you incompetent buffoon!
[01:01] <Takyoji> Wait a minute as I go through the horrendous burden of saving it to a flash drive, and open it on this system, and THEN uploading.
[01:01] <Takyoji> But I was testing the Nouveau driver. :P
[01:04] <Takyoji> Is there a "pastebin" of image hosting websites, that doesn't require registration, and you can tell how long the image lives for?
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> I don't know - I've never used any of those things since I bought a VPS.
[01:07] <Takyoji> tonyyarusso: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1883/nautilusr.png
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: EWWW
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> It would make more sense to have the breadcrumb on bottom and tabs on top, IMO.  But both on top is still better.
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Is it at least configurable?
[01:09] <Takyoji> I haven't found anything capable of configuring it
[01:10] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, nothing in GConf for it, that I can find
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> GROSSSS
[01:22] <Takyoji> :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation#Report Your Results
[01:23] <Takyoji> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation#Report%20Your%20Results
[01:23] <Takyoji> Look who actually served a purpose in life for once! :D
[01:24] <Alpha_Cluster> you proud?
[01:24] <Takyoji> otherwise I said this on #ubuntu+1 but haven't gotten a response (prompted twice; over the span of about an hour): <Takyoji> So for my case of Ethernet no longer working anymore after attempting hibernation; should I report that, or what could I try to make it operational again? "Networking Disabled" is what the connection manager applet implies
[01:25] <Alpha_Cluster> have you tried disabling it and enabling it again in the applet?
[01:25]  * Takyoji headdesks
[01:26] <Alpha_Cluster> what?
[01:26] <Takyoji> I didn't notice that at first. xP
[01:26] <Takyoji> I didn't try actually right clicking, to notice the checkbox
[01:26] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh
[01:26] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i have seen something like htat happen before
[01:31] <Takyoji> The new Disk Utility is quite spiffy. Has capabilities of connecting to remote systems as well
[01:31] <Alpha_Cluster> does it allow you to make random encrypted partitions?
[01:32] <Alpha_Cluster> that are actually flat files i mean
[01:32] <Takyoji> New scanning application
[01:33] <Takyoji> I'm not aware
[01:34] <Alpha_Cluster> i thought the linux disc stuff was powerful then i tryed out the disc utility on OSX
[01:34] <Alpha_Cluster> its crazy powerful
[01:34] <Alpha_Cluster> mind you the only good thing added to Windows 7 ws partition resizing which when did linux get that? years ago?
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> In 9.10 I didn't see see the advantage of the DIsk Utility over GParted.
[01:36] <Alpha_Cluster> wasn't it just a new frontend on GParted?
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> Doesn't look like it.
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> frontend to libparted perhaps, sure
[01:36] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah that is what i meant
[01:36] <Alpha_Cluster> i couldnt remember the name of the library
[01:39] <Takyoji> otherwise Plymouth appears to be problematic in Lucid
[01:39] <Takyoji> (or at least, at this stage in development)
[01:39] <Alpha_Cluster> i thought htey droped plymouth?
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> plymouth does part of the splash, but not the whole thing it's designed to.
[01:41] <Takyoji> Pretty much anyone that has problems at GDM, such as freezing or graphical errors, has to remove plymouth.
[01:41] <Alpha_Cluster> i know what it does but i thought they had droped it since load times were guna get so fast?
[01:42] <Takyoji> Source being?
[01:42] <Takyoji> But yea, boot speed is pretty decent
[01:42] <Alpha_Cluster> they talked about in on Phoronix like awhile back maybe it was just not going into 9.10
[01:42] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:43] <Takyoji> It's only like less than 5 seconds that it would be shown for.
[01:44] <Alpha_Cluster> exactly that is why they had droped it they had decided it wasnt worth adding when it probably took longer to start then it would show for.
[01:45] <Takyoji> Awkward, I can't find anything called "bootchart" in /var/log
[01:45] <Takyoji> even though I had it installed
[01:47] <Takyoji> Whoops; must have installed it in the wrong partition
[01:53] <Takyoji> Bootchart implies it loaded in about 17 seconds
[01:54] <Takyoji> From GRUB to desktop
[02:03] <Takyoji> I get a laugh at some of the attempted entries for the "We're Linux" competition
[02:04] <Alpha_Cluster> some are really bad >.>
[02:04] <Takyoji> Actually I guess it might not be an entry
[02:04] <Takyoji> One second
[02:05] <Takyoji> Quite an elitist approach. xP http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1669
[02:07] <Takyoji> Man, I'm quite sure nobody would ever get offended by it. :P
[02:09] <Alpha_Cluster> tahat video makes no sesne
[02:09] <Takyoji> Exactly
[02:09] <Takyoji> HAY GUYS I CAN DO BLENDERS
[02:10] <Takyoji> Computer Engineer Barbie
[02:10] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah she has a smartphone!
[02:10] <Alpha_Cluster> she must be a computer engineer
[02:11] <Takyoji> http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/286108-does-computer-engineer-barbie-use-linux
[02:11] <Takyoji> heheheh
[02:12] <Takyoji> but still; that's a bit of a scare. Supposedly only 2% of the open source community is of women.
[02:12] <Alpha_Cluster> so? in industry they are like 5% maybe
[02:12] <Alpha_Cluster> http://www.twit.tv/floss104 has a pretty good summeray of why we shouldnt worry i think
[02:12] <Alpha_Cluster> its about half way in i think she talks about women in Open Source
[02:28] <Takyoji> As usual, quite glad that the IRC channel is considerably active.
[02:28] <Takyoji> in comparison to like a year ago
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> In related news, apparently the binary on Barbie's laptop is the ASCII for BARBIE BARBIE BARBIE.
[03:48] <Takyoji> heh
[04:21] <Takyoji> Anyone alive; of whom is somewhat active with bug reporting/triaging/etc?
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> !ask
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> :P
[04:24] <ubot3> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> oh, that's not what I wanted.
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> !anyone | rather
[04:25] <ubot3> rather: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:27] <kermit> can anyone answer a question about xfs tuning?
[04:42] <Takyoji> actually I have some answering my questions in another channel
[04:45] <Takyoji> about reporting a bug in regards of my SD card issue
[04:46]  * tonyyarusso is deeply saddened by the inability to watch Olympics online
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> Silverlight + NBC restrictions + Comcast pricing = FAIL
[04:47] <Takyoji> Horrendous
[04:59] <kermit> why you cant get tv over multicast yet i dont know
[04:59] <kermit> maybe the networks wouldnt want a cheap distribution method someone could use to compete
[05:10] <Obsidian1723> Why not just setup a HTPC?
[05:11] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I do some triage; did you still need help with something?
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: what was that related to?
[05:14] <Takyoji> You can read a little from the beginning of this discussion: http://pastebin.com/d3ea086e3
[05:15] <Takyoji> which was in #ubuntu-testing
[05:15] <Obsidian1723> the tv over multicast
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: how would that do anything about it?
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> anything you set up is already in your house.
[05:16] <Obsidian1723>  True. You're talking about before it hits the house.
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> exactly
[05:16] <Obsidian1723> Probably cost prohibitive.
[05:16] <Obsidian1723> Who knows.
[05:17] <mr_steve> Takyoji, that's interesting. Do the cards/readers work properly on the same machines with a LiveCD/different OS?
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> Not at all - they'd SAVE money for a while, but wouldn't be able to justify charging as much and shutting others out, and would lose their monopolies.
[05:17] <Obsidian1723> Personally, the USA needs to get faster bandwidth and make IPv6 the standard. 40% of US homes don't even have broadband, and we are behind Japan, Korea, and several other countries in terms of speed for home users.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> yeah, our "broadband" is only a smidge above dialup.
[05:18] <Obsidian1723> Well, telcos and cables fall under the PUC.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> What's the definition, like 60kpbs or some garbage?
[05:18] <Obsidian1723> what do you have?
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> 6Mbps (Qwest DSL)
[05:18] <Obsidian1723> I have 1 up, 5 down.
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> 768 up
[05:19] <Takyoji> mr_steve: I believe on one system it originally worked on 9.04
[05:20] <Obsidian1723> How is Qwest? Stable and fast?
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> It's close to as fast as it claims to be, which is slower than Comcast claims for similar price points, but much more reliable both in speed and uptime.
[05:21] <Takyoji> I mean; on 8.10
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> (In delicious irony, our old Comcast connection was down for the three days preceeding and including our Qwest hookup appointment that had been made before that.)
[05:21] <Takyoji> Because the other system current runs 9.04
[05:22] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I'll have a look at the bug report you mentioned previously, and see if I have any ideas
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> We had connectivity problems all the time with Comcast, but almost never with Qwest.
[05:22] <Obsidian1723> What part of town ya in?
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> Shoreview
[05:23] <Obsidian1723> k
[05:26] <Takyoji> You know, one thing I haven't seen is any configuration for the notification system that was initially released in 9.10
[05:26] <Takyoji> surprising there's nothing in Lucid for it
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> you thought they'd make it configurable?
[05:27] <Takyoji> Then again, there's probably a way to adjust it in gconf
[05:27] <mr_steve> This is Gnome on Ubuntu we're talking about here; *nothing* is configurable.
[05:28] <Obsidian1723> eh?
[05:29] <mr_steve> More and more configurable settings disappear with every Gnome release
[05:29] <Takyoji> heh, true I suppose
[05:29] <Obsidian1723> I'm not looking forward to GDM3
[05:30] <Takyoji> with the excuse of "to make it simpler"
[05:30] <Obsidian1723> What are they? Microsoft?
[05:30] <Takyoji> Seems like it. :P
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> more like Apple
[05:31] <Takyoji> But hey, you can supposedly change the background image of GDM3 through a somewhat obscure method! :D
[05:31] <mr_steve> indeed
[05:31] <Obsidian1723> grub2 is another cluster.
[05:32] <mr_steve> Don't get me wrong, I think Gnome is pretty elegant, and just makes sense *most* of the time.
[05:32] <mr_steve> But when something about it disagrees with my own habits or workflow, it gets ugly in a hurry
[05:33] <Takyoji> I haven't had anything against GRUB2 at all
[05:35] <Obsidian1723> aye. I prefer GDM over KDE.
[05:35] <Takyoji> KDM you mean?
[05:35] <Takyoji> erm
[05:36] <Takyoji> Yea, KDM would be the other
[05:38] <Takyoji> and just looking back now at an outdated wiki article about GDM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager
[05:39] <Takyoji> or at least somewhat dated
[05:41] <Takyoji> It makes me cringe when people write bug report titles all in lowercase...
[06:11] <mr_steve> I'm starting to work on my googlevoice app again
[06:11] <mr_steve> There's a line of code I don't really remember the purpose of, with a comment saying "This was probably a poor design decision..." It made my day.
[06:13] <Takyoji> heheheheh; nice
[06:14] <Takyoji> I wrote something in PHP that extracts the <head> and <body> contents in the most performance efficient matter that I could, and the code is very obscure.
[06:16] <mr_steve> Odd, this code doesn't run anymore. I swear it ran when I commited it 3 months ago..
[06:21] <kermit> "i sware this code worked fine at 3am last night.."
[06:21] <mr_steve> haha yeah, that's about it
[06:22] <mr_steve> I'm probably going to have to re-write, I can't even figure out what this chunk of code was supposed to do
[06:25] <kermit> "it made sense at 3am last night.."
[06:29] <mr_steve> I should probably stop coding so late at night; I can't even remember the right incantation to get Vim to stop screwing up my indents at the moment
[06:35] <mr_steve> yeah screw it, the UI needed a redesign anyway. I think I better just call it a night
[16:46] <mr_steve> it is very very cold in here.. getting windows replaced in the middle of winter sucks
[17:19] <_diablo> Does anyone know any way to remove evolution from the indicator applet?
[17:25] <mr_steve> _diablo: try removing /usr/share/indicators/applications/messages/evolution
[17:27] <_diablo> mr_steve: perfect, thanks :)
[17:28] <mr_steve> np
[23:14] <Takyoji> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/on2-stockholders-approve-merger-with-google-84633777.html
[23:15] <Obsidian1723> hmmm someone sold their soul.
[23:15] <Obsidian1723> Google is worse than MS
[23:15] <Obsidian1723> At least MS limits theiur crapola to an OS, but Google is a virus on the Internet.
[23:16] <kermit> at least google makes things designed to work
[23:17] <kermit> its funny google is so successful, like noone ever tried that 'approach' before
[23:21] <Takyoji> Ooo fun, a friend just showed me this: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/02/17/you-maniacs/
[23:23] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, but then there are those peksy class action lawsites.
[23:23] <Obsidian1723> lawsuits
[23:39] <Takyoji> Woo, filed my first bug report.
[23:49] <mr_steve> I just got windows installed...
[23:49] <Takyoji> Oh noes
[23:50] <mr_steve> Heheh no, I just had some guys here installing new windows in my living & dining rooms :)
[23:50] <Takyoji> Oh heh
[23:50] <Takyoji> Intentionally misleading? :P
[23:51] <mr_steve> of course!