[00:21] <neversfelde> hmm
[00:21] <neversfelde> ScottK: ost the ne quassel package working witha 0.5 karmic core?
[00:22] <neversfelde> s/ost/is
[00:27] <persia> Anyone currently reviewing kfritz on REVU?
[00:28]  * persia takes silence as apathy and pulls the source
[00:28] <neversfelde> persia: no one afaik
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I won't be able to revu it for probably another hour. go for it
[00:28] <persia> neversfelde: Well, I am now :)
[00:28] <neversfelde> cool
[00:30] <ScottK> neversfelde: I don't think so.
[00:31] <neversfelde> ScottK: is there a backport somewhere for karmic?
[00:31] <ScottK> neversfelde: Not yet
[00:31] <neversfelde> ScottK: k, I will not upgrade then :). Thanks.
[01:36] <Lex79> Riddell: pkg-kde-tools? :)
[01:36] <Lex79> seems not uploaded yet
[01:41] <persia> neversfelde: So, I can't test this (no HW).  Also, there's a precompiled binary in the source, some files without licensing headers, manpage parse issues, no watch file.  Do you promise to get all that fixed if I upload?
[01:42]  * persia isn't 100% sure the archive-admins will approve it, but they might, since one seemed to think it was OK already
[02:02] <persia> neversfelde: Rejecting for now (for those reasons).  ping me if you can commit to a short-term fix.
[02:06] <ScottK> precompiled binary is OK for Multiverse as long as it's distributable.
[02:12] <persia> The precompiled binary isn't used, and if built, comes from the unlicensed source.
[02:12] <persia> This is clearly a candidate for universe, and belongs there, but without someone promising to fix the issues, I'm not going to upload it.
[02:12] <persia> Anyone else could if they liked :)
[03:00] <KDesk> hi, can you remove the python2.5 dependency of python-kde4? I think it is not necesary and it installs python2.5.
[03:02] <KDesk> in the KDE 4.4 packages from the backports PPA
[03:25] <shtylman> what is going on with this mysql client package nonsense
[03:50] <_Groo_> hi/2 all, anyone awake?
[03:50] <_Groo_> im having a strange behaviour with latest round of kde updates in lucid
[03:51] <_Groo_> for ex in kopete, when you open a chat window, all icons appear as the ? missing icon, but if you over the icon the icon shows up while the mouse is over it.. anyone else is having this behaviour?
[03:58] <Lex79> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.2.2.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1511128
[04:01] <ScottK> Lex79: Probably won't work until mysql gets fixed.
[04:01] <Lex79> ok
[05:08] <ScottK> al: Looks like the po files (and pot) made it to the import queue: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/quassel/+imports
[05:57] <verbalshadow> has any one fixed the krita-kde4 depend on libkdcraw7 since libkdcraw8 is in the repo?
[06:13] <Riddell> verbalshadow: nixternal will
[06:34]  * Riddell wonders why he suddently has a screensaver in lucid
[07:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: silly recommends maybe?
[07:26] <Riddell> maybe
[07:38] <apachelogger> persia: what is the binary blob in kfritz?
[07:39]  * apachelogger notes that he does not have his deb-sourcecheck script around :S
[07:53] <apachelogger> neversfelde: the problem with md5.c/h is not that KDE got its own implementation, the problem is that there are like 500 public md5.h and I dont quite understand why libfritz++ cant link against any of the associated libs
[07:56] <ghostcube> guys i have a question... wth why is sun java taken out of lucid ?
[07:56] <ghostcube> you want the users to change to other distros ?
[08:13] <apachelogger> it is?
[08:13] <apachelogger> well
[08:13] <apachelogger> for one it is crap
[08:13] <ghostcube> apachelogger: :| but the most java apps need it
[08:14] <apachelogger> for another openjdk implements java just as well and does not require the user to agree to some weirdo agreement
[08:14] <ghostcube> so you need to install manually ... can anyone sponsor an ppa build ?
[08:14] <apachelogger> ghostcube: no, most java apps need a jvm
[08:14] <apachelogger> and openjdk implements such a jvm
[08:14] <ghostcube> not working with all ptogz so far
[08:14] <apachelogger> sun-java is no more than an implementation of the java language
[08:14] <ghostcube> *r
[08:14] <ghostcube> hmm ok then i need to package my own java up
[08:14] <ghostcube> :|
[08:15] <ghostcube> bad decission thats all i have to say to this
[08:16] <Riddell> you can't put sun java in a PPA, PPAs are for free software only
[08:17] <ghostcube> nah Riddell on my machine i not so good to release my packages
[08:17] <ghostcube> :)
[08:17] <ghostcube> omg would kill thousands of machines
[08:18] <ghostcube> but in ubuntu-de-offtopic are many claiming about open java not working with the apps they use
[08:19] <coz_> I wonder if sun java will be available on other distributions?
[08:19] <coz_> red hat is going open I believe
[08:20] <ghostcube> opensuse i think will have it
[08:20] <coz_> ghostcube,  oh boy   I have been with ubuntu since day one practically  and only because of sun java  I would hate to switch to suse
[08:20] <ghostcube> :D
[08:20] <coz_> :)
[08:27] <apachelogger> ghostcube: maybe they should report that as bugs then?
[08:27] <apachelogger> I dont think talking in some offtopic channel will prevent sun-java from getting the boot
[08:28] <ghostcube> apachelogger: right so i ask why its taken out instead of discussing with them there
[08:28] <ghostcube> :)
[08:28] <apachelogger> because it is unfree software and to the knowledge of the people who care openjdk is working just as well as sun-java
[08:28] <ghostcube> :| but this isnt true so far
[08:28] <apachelogger> so go report bugs
[08:29] <ghostcube> ok :)
[08:29] <coz_> apachelogger,  openjdk is about in the same position as neaveau driver for nvidia
[08:29] <coz_> it doesnt work
[08:29]  * apachelogger does not give a butterfly about java and finds it offtopic in here
[08:29] <coz_> ah sorry thought i was in offtopic
[08:30] <apachelogger> from my point of view jvm can go into a corner and die a very painful death
[08:30] <apachelogger> how that language ever became popular is a miracle to me
[08:30] <ghostcube> apachelogger: heh i never sayed i love java :) but som eapps need this damn thingy
[08:41] <Riddell> "Reason: unmaintained, superseded by OpenJDK in main" is the delete message
[08:53] <al> ScottK: alright, thanks
[08:57] <Riddell> debfx: yo
[08:57] <Riddell> debfx: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jr/firefox/firefox-3.6.head/+merge/19580
[08:58] <debfx> Riddell: have the patches been approved?
[08:58] <Riddell> debfx: yep :)
[08:58] <debfx> nice :)
[08:59] <Riddell> debfx: on condition that we help get them upstream, but there's a new firefox guy being hired by canonical next month so he should be able to help with that
[09:03] <debfx> okay
[09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess kfi mustn't install firefox-gnome-support anymore?
[09:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: was listening in on the kubuntu-devel ML a few weeks earlier about the kdm login theme,and was wondering if they changed it upstream or is it a kubuntu specific change?
[09:50] <jussi01> hrm, my kmail freezes :(
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: will need to install kmozillahelper instead once its in
[09:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: okdokii, just poke me or change it yourself once we are there :)
[09:53] <jussi01> err, kmail in kontact that is, havent yet tested kmail
[09:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one more thing... how do i tarball a svn checkout? :P
[09:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu specific AFAIK, it did not make it into upstream before artwork freeze
[09:53] <shadeslayer> okies...
[09:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: svn export URL target, tar target, gzip -9 target, done
[09:54] <apachelogger> something like that
[09:54] <Riddell> the KDM theme is in trunk I believe
[09:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah thanks :D
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I doubt it will stay the same until 4.5 though :)
[09:55] <shadeslayer> yeah... :P
[09:57] <jussi01> Ok, looks like nepomuk is having issues, here is the report for any interested? http://paste.ubuntu.com/378950/
[09:58] <apachelogger> jussi01: looks more like a problem in the dep chain of akonadi
[09:58] <apachelogger> jussi01: is this lucid?
[09:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: right, so thoughts on fixes?  no, its karmic with 4.4
[09:59] <apachelogger> interesting
[09:59] <apachelogger> maybe a migration issue
[09:59] <Riddell> 'Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb
[09:59] <Riddell> '
[09:59] <Riddell> that doesn't look good
[10:00] <jussi01> mind, I did at one point test the virtuoso packages Riddell had going
[10:00] <jussi01> is there a way I can delete the db and start again or so?
[10:00]  * jussi01 doesnt really understand akonadi
[10:00] <debfx> Riddell: I updated the kmozillahelper package on revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kmozillahelper
[10:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: um : http://pastebin.ca/1801357
[10:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think were missing a few options..
[10:03] <Riddell> debfx: thanks
[10:04] <jussi01> shadeslayer: you can look at the tar man page for the options: man tar
[10:04] <jussi01> its a real good man page :)
[10:05] <shadeslayer> jussi01: its also a huge man page...
[10:05] <shadeslayer> :p
[10:06] <jussi01> shadeslayer: yup, nothing like a good read in the morning :D
[10:06] <shadeslayer> jussi01: lol... well sure why not.. man pages + Google...
[10:06] <shadeslayer> better than a cup of coffee :D
[10:06] <Riddell> jussi01: you could wipe out /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/ if you were sure akonadi wasn't running, but that's not very elegant and I'm not sure it would solve mysql being unable to read innodb
[10:07] <jussi01> Riddell: Ill have a look...
[10:08] <shadeslayer> tar -cvzf worked for now :P
[10:09] <jussi01> Riddell: it seems that worked
[10:10] <Riddell> jussi01: hmm
[10:14] <shadeslayer> hehe... its my lucky day... my isp just turned off the throttling... wooh
[10:17] <jussi01> Riddell: on the first time I started it, I still got errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/378960/ I closed, restarted and seems to work fine now.
[10:19] <Riddell> wibble
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I said gizp -9, tar cvzf does not use maximum compression AFAIK :P
[10:22] <jussi01> Riddell: wibble?
[10:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. how much if a difference would it make
[10:23] <apachelogger> a lot
[10:23] <apachelogger> depending on the content of the tar
[10:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well its in KB's///
[10:26] <apachelogger> so?
[10:26] <shadeslayer> oh well...
[10:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so tar target.tar target_folder/ >
[10:26] <shadeslayer> right?
[10:27] <apachelogger> tar -cf target.tar target_folder && gzip -9 target.tar
[10:28] <shadeslayer> ohk
[10:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1801375 << make error at line 18,should i be worried?
[10:41] <apachelogger> no
[10:43] <shadeslayer> ok..
[10:44] <shadeslayer> login.ubuntu is just being stupid :P
[10:56] <shadeslayer> W: choqok source: unknown-field-in-dsc original-maintainer
[10:56] <shadeslayer> i know i should be concerened about that :P
[11:12] <ScottK> dpm: I finally got a version of quassel uploaded that uses .po/.pot files.  I'd appreciate it if you could make it a priority for getting the templates imported: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/quassel/+imports
[11:33] <dpm> ScottK, yeah, I saw it this morning, I've just approved it and given it a priority value to be shown amongst the other KDE templates -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+lang/ca/+index?start=150&batch=50
[11:33] <dpm> ScottK, however
[11:34] <dpm> IIRC the quassel guys are not using gettext and only produce the template in gettext format for the benefit of translators
[11:34] <dpm> so having it it Launchpad will only offer the benefit of having a translation UI
[11:35] <dpm> as if I'm not mistaken those translations will not be used at runtime because they are using qt for translations instead of gettext
[11:36] <dpm> so the way the quassel people can benefit from that at the moment
[11:36] <dpm> is by getting the translations done in Launchpad converted to qt format with the scripts they've got
[11:36] <dpm> and committing them in the code
[11:38] <neversfelde> persia: Upstream released three new kfritz versions in 2 days to make kfritz distributable for us, so I am pretty sure, that all these issues will be fixed soon.
[11:39] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will tell upstream about it, unfortunately this has to wait till tomorrow, because I am busy today with rela life :(
[11:40] <Sput> dpm: please talk to al about that - in theory the .po are converted at build time (so yes, generating new language packs would mean someone has to rebuild them or run the appropriate scripts), in practice there might still be some issues in the conversion process
[11:41] <Sput> al is going to look into that, to make it all work hopefully :)
[11:42] <dpm> hey Sput, is al in #quassel? I'll join the channel
[11:43] <Sput> dpm: yes he is (but he is also in here ;-))
[11:43] <Sput> not sure if he's afk now
[11:43] <dpm> ok, thanks Sput, I'll have a chat with him
[11:44] <Sput> in any case he's the guy taking care of the translation stuff in quassel, and would really love to make it work properly (you've already been a big help, I think we've incorporated your patches)
[11:45] <dpm> Sput, yeah, the patches were committed IIRC, thanks :)
[12:12] <Riddell> hmm, how does kpackagekit do it's dist upgrade notification again?
[12:12] <Riddell> dantti?
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: apachelogger would know
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw can you login to the kubuntu wiki?
[12:18] <Riddell> /usr/share/PackageKit/pk-upgrade-distro.sh
[12:18] <Riddell> hmm
[12:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[12:20] <JontheEchidna> I think there was a patch for desktop environment detection that needed to go upstream
[12:25] <markey> Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103699
[12:25] <markey> I'm having the same issues here with KMail
[12:25] <markey> "Kmail GPG problem needs to be solved ... what did i do wrong?"
[12:26] <markey> missing all sorts of deps
[12:26] <markey> for doing PGP
[12:26] <markey> now it wants some "chiasmus"
[12:32] <Riddell> markey: did it work with KDE 4.3?
[12:36] <markey> Riddell: figured it out, but it was rather complicated
[12:37] <markey> Riddell: it's really KMail to blame
[12:37] <markey> this was far easier with Thunderbird 3 :)
[12:37] <markey> Mamarok was fighting with it for 10 minutes
[12:37] <markey> very weird GUI
[12:37] <markey> but not Kubuntu's fault :)
[12:38] <markey> other than that, I find KMail really nice now
[12:38] <markey> very fast
[12:39] <Riddell> markey: you figured it out with 4.4?
[12:39] <Mamarok> markey: no, I was not fighting with it, you were
[12:40] <Mamarok> and the gpg usability in general is not really userfriendly, regardless of the email client you use
[12:42] <markey> Riddell: 4.4, yes
[12:42] <markey> Mamarok: with Thundebird it worked pretty quickly for me
[12:42] <markey> far easier
[12:42] <Riddell> markey: what needed doing?
[12:43] <markey> Riddell: first, going to this "Crypo" page, and importing the key there, or something
[12:43] <markey> Riddell: then, you also had to go to your account settings, and enable GPG there
[12:43] <markey> but it only worked in this order
[12:43] <Mamarok> markey: well, you said otherwise, I remember you having had problems for about half a day with the various Thuderbird versions and you didn't make it woithout help
[12:43] <markey> Crypto*
[12:44] <Mamarok> also, using a key with an email address which is *not* in the key is a serious security breach in Thunderbird
[12:44] <markey> the error messages were basically cypto too ;)
[12:44] <markey> hard to understand
[12:44] <Mamarok> Riddell: he apparently didn't add that mail address to the key, but was able to use the key to sign the mail, now that is a serious security problem (talking about Thunderbird)
[12:45] <Mamarok> markey: you should talk to the Thunderbird guys, that is very serious
[12:45] <markey> Mamarok: I don't use TB any more, it's dog slow
[12:45] <markey> eats all of my CPU
[12:46] <markey> it started well, but then it got slower and slower
[12:46] <markey> threading issues, or so
[12:46] <Mamarok> still, what they did there is a disaster security wise, since that means you can sign any of your mails with a key without the mail address being in the key
[12:46] <Mamarok> and that is definitely *not* OK
[12:46] <markey> Jeremy was fighting with KMail too ;)
[12:46] <markey> it's a bit complicated
[12:47] <Riddell> hi dantti
[12:47] <dantti> Riddell: hey :D IRC and IM programs don't like advanced routing :P
[12:48]  * dantti has to find a way to fix this..
[12:48] <Riddell> dantti: I want to test the distro upgrade feature in kpackagekit, how can I make it get called?
[12:49] <dantti> Riddell: well when you open the update view in system settings it asks the backend if there are distro upgrades
[12:49] <dantti> if there are it will show a click here that executes an script
[12:50] <Riddell> dantti: so it shows in the kcontrol module?  does it also have an icon popup?
[12:52] <Riddell> yes, I see the check in both SmartIcon/KpkDistroUpgrade.cpp: and Updater/KpkUpdate.cpp:
[12:58] <dantti> Riddell: did you said something else? adv routing is excellent for web browsing but it sucks for other things :P
[12:59] <Riddell> dantti: no that'll do for now, I need to setup a web server to pretend there's a distro upgrade available and test on that
[13:01] <dantti> Riddell: i thinks it's easy to patch apt backend to emit a distro upgrade available?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> hey anyone around?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/U5V3RmWu.html << Problem signing up for a kubuntu wiki name :)
[15:39] <Riddell> debfx: able to join us in #ubuntu-desktop ?
[15:40] <debfx> Riddell: sure
[15:41] <Riddell> debfx: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m4ccdb375
[15:44] <shtylman_> ScottK: is there a fix for this libmysqlclient16 package issue?
[15:49] <Riddell> bug 522225
[15:49] <Riddell> fix released is a good sign
[15:50] <shtylman_> yea
[15:50] <shtylman_> I saw that
[15:50] <shtylman_> hasn't taken hold yet I guess
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: got a minute?
[16:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yo
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok,i try to register for a kubuntu wiki account and i end up here with my timezone : http://imagebin.ca/view/U5V3RmWu.html : if i change the timezone @ launchpad to New york,everything runs smoothly
[16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know I'm afraid, it's a job for canonical sysadmin, you can complain on #canonical-sysadmin or file a bug on their rt tracker rt@admin.canonical.com
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: this happens with both wiki.ubuntu and wiki.kubuntu
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok thats what i was looking for :)
[16:11] <Riddell> make that rt@ubuntu.com
[16:11]  * jussi01 sighs... how does one know which /dev a usb device is?
[16:11] <jussi01> dmesg says:
[16:11] <jussi01> [ 4722.773152] usb 2-4: USB disconnect, address 3
[16:11] <jussi01> [ 4724.812546] usb 2-4: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
[16:11] <jussi01> [ 4725.048792] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[16:12] <shadeslayer> jussi01: um sudo fdisk -l ?
[16:12] <jussi01> shadeslayer: its not a disk...
[16:12] <Riddell> jussi01: it doesn't say anything else?
[16:13] <jussi01> Riddell: no :(
[16:13] <shadeslayer> jussi01: oh.. you meant its just a usb device
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any required info i should provide or just the general problem>
[16:13] <Riddell> it may not have a /dev node, it probably appears somewhere in /sys though
[16:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that screenshot and your description above would suffice
[16:14] <jussi01> hrm.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok.. thanks :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently its a known bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/402994
[16:40] <nixternal> oi oi
[16:55] <nixternal> hrmm...installing lucid is impossible right now isn't it? alpha2 live cd doesn't even work, the latest live cds don't work, the alternates don't work...this is a bit ridiculous I would say...for 4+ days now none of the images work
[16:55] <jussi01> have we got thes libs in karmic still? checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[17:15] <markey> apachelogger: "28 Followers"
[17:15] <markey> I'll get you :p
[17:16] <markey> this Jorge Castro dude has 150
[17:16] <markey> but: some of the names look very made up
[17:16] <markey> I think he created some fake accounts
[17:16] <markey> foul play ;)
[17:17] <markey> that said, anyone here using Buzz who I'm not following yet? :)
[17:17] <markey> I can follow you, then you follow me back
[17:18] <markey> (have to beat apachelogger)
[17:18] <jjesse> you following me?
[17:18] <markey> not sure
[17:18] <markey> let me check
[17:18] <jjesse> jjesse @ GMAIL dot Com
[17:18] <markey> ok
[17:18] <markey> "Practice Principle -- DLP at ITS Partners"
[17:18] <markey> this one? :)
[17:19] <markey> there are many Jonathan Jesse
[17:19] <jjesse> yes thats me
[17:19] <markey> aah ok
[17:20] <markey> uhm
[17:20] <markey> jjesse:
[17:20] <markey> Caddell Condemns Union Thugs, White House - Blogs For Victory
[17:20] <markey> More trouble in Democrat-land: Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell on Wednesday blasted the Obama White House for creating “a world in which there is no dissent,” following his banishment from...
[17:21] <markey> is that from you?
[17:21] <jjesse> shared from my google reader probablly?
[17:21] <markey> I guess
[17:21] <markey> just checking if I got the right person ;)
[17:22] <markey> away he goes
[17:24] <markey> Riddell:
[17:24] <markey> Jonathan Riddell
[17:24] <markey> San Francisco, Ca
[17:24] <markey> is that you?
[17:47] <nixternal> wth, klining ubottu
[18:07] <jussi01> nixternal: its being sorted :)
[18:08] <nixternal> i just somehow installed lucid with the broken iso
[18:09] <nixternal> don't ask me how, because it crashed at the end of installation, but i booted into lucid
[18:09] <shtylman_> magic
[18:10] <nixternal> that it was
[18:10] <nixternal> issue with amarok packaging known I take it?
[18:10] <nixternal> doing a dist-upgrade and it is removing amarok, holding back mysql
[18:12] <nixternal> jeesh, people still crashing planes into buildings
[18:12] <nixternal> in one of my favorite cities too
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[18:14] <nixternal> wooo, windows machines getting attacked by a new botnet
[18:15] <nixternal> "Massive Hack Attack Shows Major Flaws in Today's Cybersecurity"  <- if only they were using Linux, BSD, or even a Mac :)
[18:15] <Tonio_> ouch......
[18:15] <Tonio_> I noticed smoething *very* weird.... about kwin compositing performances...
[18:16] <nixternal> Kneber botnet is taking out your windows users left and right today
[18:16] <Tonio_> I noticed lots of my effects were nice, but not very smooth, about 10fps max...
[18:16] <Tonio_> I changed from oxygen windeco to qtcurve, and everything is 3 times smoother and faster than before...
[18:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: which effects?
[18:16] <nixternal> the default effects are fairly decent performing for me
[18:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: resizing for example
[18:16] <nixternal> Tonio_: you aren't the only one to say qtcurve seems smoother than oxygen
[18:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: aaah, might be oxygen to blame, it is bit weird
[18:17] <Tonio_> nixternal: it's like I changed my GPU :)
[18:17]  * Tm_T sticks with good old B2
[18:17] <Tonio_> hum...... considering the discussion we had the other day, I truelly understand why we have KDE
[18:17] <Tonio_> but I trully know we should, imho, switch to qtcurve ;)
[18:18] <neversfelde> persia: I am not sure, if I know the difference between a minus-sign and a hyphen?
[18:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I just don't understand how can a windeco slow down the all compositing......
[18:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: qtcurve windeco or widget style?
[18:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I changed the windeco
[18:18] <Tm_T> roger
[18:18] <nixternal> lets go old school, back to plastik
[18:18] <Tonio_> and use the style for a long time
[18:18] <Tm_T> nixternal: that's not very old (:
[18:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it is the windeco which made an incredible difference
[18:19] <Tonio_> like switching from an intel chip to an nvidia..... amazing
[18:19] <nixternal> Tm_T: at least 10 years old
[18:19] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yeah, oxygen does some funkyness to kwin
[18:19] <nixternal> Tonio_: I have intel, and it totally rocks for me :)  old school intel at that
[18:19] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hum.......... beeing stuck with oxygen sucks imho..... although I understand we want to be a pure kde distro and we are in good mood with upstream because of that
[18:19] <nixternal> 950 I think
[18:19] <Tonio_> nixternal: with ? oxygen windeco ?
[18:20] <nixternal> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[18:20] <persia> neversfelde: Heh.  They are different unicode code points.  The "hyphen", which for *roff is "\(hy" is typically used to link works, like sales-force.  The "minus-sign" is typically used in equations (2-1=1) or, due to the way ASCII and unicode work, as argument lists (e.g. `myprog --help`), and represented in *roff with "\-".
[18:20] <nixternal> with oxygen
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, no difference here between oxygen and qtcurve for me and my intel chip
[18:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: well I'd say the problem is that I tested on several coputers and with oxygen it can be very smooth,but a lot of people do complain
[18:21] <Tonio_> it looks to me than qtcurve is smooth in any case...
[18:21] <Tonio_> I should blog about that :)
[18:21] <nixternal> I will have to try qtcurve
[18:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: it looks to me that qtcurve is never worse than oxygen
[18:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: the opposite seems to me not true... just my two cents...
[18:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: it would be nice to get several people to test this
[18:22] <Tm_T> nixternal: ouch, there's still "Copyright (C) 1999" lines in kwin clients (themes), means there's plenty of styles in KDE that has been just made to run in KDE4, no rewrite or anything
[18:23] <nixternal> or they have been updated without having the copyright bumped, which I doubt though
[18:24] <Tonio_> I just re-tested on 3 computers, I can confirm again
[18:25] <Tonio_> there's really a problem of performances with oxygen, globally speaking, and mostly with the windeco afaics
[18:25] <Tonio_> moving everything to  qtcurve give a HUDGE improvement in kwin performances....
[18:25] <Tonio_> I will report a bug about that
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I tested on an intel and an nvidia and saw no difference
[18:25] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: because performances are good in your case I suspect
[18:25] <neversfelde> persia: thanksy, I'll try to change this
[18:25] <neversfelde> -y
[18:26] <Tonio_> good driver
[18:26] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and that's fine
[18:26] <Tonio_> I see no differences on computers which are very smooth also with oxygen
[18:26] <nixternal> I am with JontheEchidna on this one, I just tried it and no difference...I minimized/maximized and they were both quick
[18:26] <Tonio_> but there are chips with performances problems
[18:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: as I said, it may depend on the driver also
[18:27] <nixternal> I would figure intel to have a performance issue, but it has been good to me thus far
[18:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: I would like to get people who experience problems with some chips a feedback
[18:27] <nixternal> and it isn't like I am using a high powered machine...this laptop is a centrino duo 64bit install, 2gb ram, and gma965 chipset
[18:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: my driver is know to be poor performances when it comes to compoziting
[18:28] <Tonio_> nixternal: and it's a 4500HD
[18:28] <nixternal> that's ati right?
[18:28] <Tonio_> nope, intel
[18:28] <nixternal> oh
[18:28] <nixternal> shows you how much I know about graphics these days
[18:28] <Tonio_> theorically very good, but the driver is known for bad linux performances
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> Oxygen utilizes compositing for rounded edges, iirc
[18:28] <Tonio_> a gma965 will perform better
[18:29] <nixternal> talk about bad performance, my interview today was a bad performance by me...I knew the answers and everything, but I think I was a bit to over confident, and it bit me in the ass...simple python questions and I couldn't get the words out correctly
[18:29] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah there might be a few things in oxygen that don't impact people with good chips, but that may cause problems of your chipset sucks at some point with compositing
[18:29] <nixternal> it was a train wreck from the start
[18:29] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that might be why...
[18:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: therefore could be considered as a driver issue
[18:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: anyway since this chipset is pretty much the new intel standard on modern laptops, it would be nice to blog about the qtcurve workarround to get decent compoziting performances...
[18:58] <nixternal> http://5z8.info/bombbuilding_s6s0_trojan <- interesting
[19:02] <persia> A URL like that just screams "Don't click here!".  Consider adjusting to http://tinyu.rl/fuzzy-bunnies or similar to get more hits.
[19:06] <nixternal> persia: did you click it though? shady url shortening service :)
[19:06] <nixternal> it goes to kubuntu.org
[19:07]  * persia sets up a jail to view that content
[19:08] <persia> nixternal: Hrm.  That's boring.  A URL like that should at least be acting as a transparent proxy with keylogging or the like.
[19:12] <nixternal> hehe
[19:15] <jussi01> nixternal: rock on with the fedora?
[19:16] <jussi01> :D
[19:17]  * daskreech gets dressed up in Fedora
[19:24] <jjesse> hrmm plasam-desktop and xorg are taking up 30% of my processor right now, anything to look at?
[20:17] <daskreech> Is there a rekonq 0.4 beta ppa anywhere ?
[20:26] <MelisU> daskreech: I only found one for lui#ci###
[20:26] <daskreech> MelisU: I think I saw that as well. Not Sure if I'm jumping to lucid
[20:27] <daskreech> well actually be using Fedora throughout the whole Lynx cycle :(
[20:27] <MelisU> the .deb works in karmic .. but for updating it has to be removed
[20:28] <daskreech> Ah
[20:28] <daskreech> hmm
[20:28] <daskreech> ok
[20:29] <daskreech> I'll try that
[20:30] <MelisU> eh, it works in karmic with 4.4 installed
[20:31] <daskreech> Yeah that would describe me :)
[20:33] <MelisU> daskreech: it needs a dpkp --force-depends though
[20:34] <daskreech> https://launchpad.net/~yoann-laissus/+archive/rekonq-ppa
[20:34] <daskreech> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra Cool :)
[20:37] <MelisU> daskreech: cool, those are new. thx
[20:39] <ScottK> shtylman: Not that I know of yet.
[20:57] <ScottK> al: I got this error on the import of the German PO file: http://paste.debian.net/60423/ - Would you please look into it?
[20:58] <al> ScottK: only the german one?
[20:58] <ScottK> al: Yes.  Only the German one.
[21:00] <al> interesting
[21:15] <ScottK> al: I've now gone through the rest of my inbox.  I also don't have confirmation the others were accepted.
[21:16] <al> yea, i can confirm it's the only file with duplicate msgids
[21:28] <claydoh>  /msg NickServ identify 98windstar
[21:28] <seele> ouch
[21:28] <claydoh> wtf
[21:28] <claydoh> oh well
[21:28] <claydoh> never use a strange irc client ar werk again
[21:29] <jjesse> i've done that several times
[21:35] <Riddell> ssh claydoh@cpe-67-251-50-177.maine.res.rr.com
[21:36] <jjesse> haha
[21:36] <claydoh> lol
[21:36] <claydoh> sorry no pr0n there
[22:15] <nixternal> looks like claydoh drives and old mini van
[23:28] <kwwii> Riddell: just so everyone knows, here is your photo ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/4369048452/sizes/o/in/photostream/
[23:29] <shtylman_> haha
[23:29] <kwwii> I just noticed that you're actually wearing shoes now...getting soft, eh? :P
[23:30] <kwwii> shtylman_: killer work on kdm, btw
[23:30] <kwwii> you did do that, right?
[23:31] <Riddell> my sandles fell apart, I'm too stingy to buy a new pair
[23:31] <neversfelde> I still have a basic ksplash on both screens, but that may be related to my upgrade from ninjas
[23:31] <kwwii> Riddell: yes!, that is what I expected to hear ;)
[23:31] <neversfelde> shtylman_: I saw you mentioned the problem here before, is it already fixed?
[23:31] <Riddell> I think this is the magazine that photo was for, but the contents doesn't list me http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2010/4
[23:31] <kwwii> Riddell: honestly, that's a decent pic of you
[23:32] <shtylman_> kwwii: yea... thanks :) mostly just combined artwork that was out there
[23:32] <shtylman_> neversfelde: ?
[23:32] <Riddell> kwwii: of course it is, are there any bad pics of me?
[23:33] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, let's not go there
[23:33] <neversfelde> shtylman_: kdm is on the left side and a blank rectangle is on the other screen
[23:33] <Riddell> kwwii: if you see ubuntu user in a newsagent do flick through and let me know if I'm in it, I want to know if I'll be famous and have all the girls after me or not
[23:33] <kwwii> Riddell: I'm getting a copy from Iain..he noticed another pic I took in the latest issue
[23:34] <neversfelde> shtylman_: afair you said something abou background=true that is wrong
[23:34] <kwwii> Riddell: is it in the Ubuntu User sold in the UK?
[23:34] <Riddell> kwwii: dunno, don't think I've ever seen it
[23:35] <kwwii> I just got home late last night...going back on Monday
[23:35] <Riddell> the showbiz lifestyle of an artist
[23:36] <shtylman_> neversfelde: yep... that was fixed
[23:36] <neversfelde> shtylman_: k, so it was not updated here
[23:36] <shtylman_> at least from what I know
[23:38] <neversfelde> persia: I uploaded a new version of kfritz. Upstream fixed most of the issues (without even waiting for my complaints^^). I know feature freeze is in effect, but it would be great, if you could review again, I will try to get an exception, once the package is ok.
[23:38] <persia> neversfelde: OK.
[23:38] <neversfelde> thanks
[23:39] <persia> You replaced *all* '-' in the manpage with "\(hy" ?
[23:40] <neversfelde> persia: mhh, no, I replaced some - with a longer -
[23:40] <persia> Does searching for arguments in a terminal with man & less work?
[23:41] <persia> (this being the entire reason for my comment, which was apparently insufficiently clear)
[23:43] <neversfelde> persia: I will have another look at it, but I am a bit confused about this problem, because I created the manpage with kdemangen like I did a few times before. Seems that I did not understand where the problem is.
[23:44] <persia> I think the bug is in kdemangen.
[23:44] <neversfelde> yes
[23:44] <persia> So, the issue is that by default, the processors will pick the unicode character for hyphen rather than the unicode character for minus-sign.
[23:44] <persia> But when we search with text tools (most importantly less when running man in a terminal) we end up searching for minus sign.
[23:45] <persia> Since this doesn't match, the user can't type "/--help\n" in less and expect to find the help argument.
[23:45] <neversfelde> so 8-utf should be 8\(hyutf ?
[23:46] <persia> If one uses \-, it gets a real minus sign.  For completeness, in case the processor changes, using \(hy gets a real hyphen.
[23:46] <persia> Well, utf\(hy8
[23:46] <persia> And \-\-help
[23:46] <Riddell> hi sgh
[23:46] <sgh> Riddell: hi
[23:47] <Riddell> sgh: so to add a patch to our packaging you need to checkout our packaging from bzr, add the patch, add it to the series file so it gets applied and add a changelog, then put your bzr branch somewhere so we can commit
[23:47] <Riddell> sgh: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[23:48] <neversfelde> persia: puh, I am still confused, will have a look at it tomorrow again
[23:48] <sgh> Riddell: meaning that you will merge the branch I'm creating ?
[23:48] <Riddell> yes
[23:49] <persia> neversfelde: I haven't reviewed it yet: you might have gotten it right :)  Anyway, catch me when you have some time, and I'm happy to talk about it in detail.  Maybe we can get kdemangen fixed :)
[23:49] <sgh> Riddell: What do I need to put my branch "somewhere" ?
[23:49] <neversfelde> persia: yes, would be a nice side effect :)
[23:50] <Riddell> sgh: you'll need to have an ssh key registered in launchpad
[23:50] <sgh> Riddell: ok
[23:51] <Riddell> then  bzr push lp:~<launchpad-username>/kdelibs/<branchname>
[23:51] <sgh> Riddell: ubuntu/debian/patches right ?
[23:51] <Riddell> sgh: yes put the patch in there following the nameing scheme, kubuntu_<number>_<description>.diff
[23:51] <sgh> Riddell: ok
[23:53] <Riddell> sgh: bzr add  the patch file
[23:53] <Riddell> add it to the debian/patches/series file
[23:54] <Riddell> in debian/ run dch -i  and add a changelog with the patch name and description and upstream bug URL
[23:54] <Riddell> bzr diff   to check   bzr commit  to commit locally   bzr push  as above to send to launchpad
[23:55] <sgh> Riddell: ok ... and how do I tell you guys what I have done ?
[23:56] <Riddell> sgh: you can file a merge request in launchpad on the branch you want to merge to.  or you can just tell us on irc
[23:56] <neversfelde> Riddell: talking about patches reminded me about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu
[23:56] <neversfelde> I think this patched version still is not uploaded, but upstream suggested to add this patch
[23:56] <sgh> Riddell: I have trouble registering a ssh-key. Actually doing anything else than modifying name and email. Where do I do that ?
[23:57] <Riddell> sgh: https://launchpad.net/~<lp-username>/+editsshkeys
[23:57] <sgh> Riddell: thanks
[23:58] <sgh> Riddell: how do I test I the patch applies correctly ?
[23:58] <sgh> Riddell: test if the patch applies
[23:59] <Riddell> you need to download the source package, put the packaging into it and run debuild to start the compilation
[23:59] <Riddell> you can do that with installing bzr-buildpackage  and running bzr db do
[23:59] <Riddell> then run debuild  and control-c to kill it once the patches have been applied