[00:51] <happytiger> amarok: Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.2.2-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:51] <happytiger> Is amarok tottally screwed ATM?
[00:54] <kuadrosx> BUGabundo: all works fine now, thanks for the help and hopes :)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> np
[00:54] <kuadrosx> and sorry for my English :)
[02:45] <billybigrigger> hey all
[02:45] <billybigrigger> anyone here have any luck jailbreaking an ipod touch in lucid yet?\
[03:28] <Takyoji> Anyone having an issue with the address bar in Firefox just recently?
[03:37] <kebomix> does Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Daily Build includes to kde 4.4 ?
[03:49] <[Adam|Miner]> When trying to go to Lucid, I get the popup "Unable to get exclusive lock" in Ubuntu, how do I get it to upgrade?
[03:50] <billybigrigger> you not running as sudo
[03:50] <[Adam|Miner]> And how do I?
[03:50] <billybigrigger> :) i guess i could have told you that in #ubuntu but lucid support is here
[03:51] <billybigrigger> type sudo before your command
[03:51] <billybigrigger> and enter your password
[03:51] <[Adam|Miner]> Okay thanks, I'm still a windows guy who's fed up at this point
[03:52] <[Adam|Miner]> sudo update-manager -d right?
[03:52] <jage> adam, I've been where you are a few weeks ago, including the "GOTO #ubuntu+1!!!"  I've pretty much stopped posting in the forums.  *shrug* it's still better
[03:53] <jage> *than windoze
[03:53] <[Adam|Miner]> I used to like windows untill the good ol "Bad battery" bug in windows 7 that would shut down my laptop while it's plugged in
[03:53] <billybigrigger> [Adam|Miner], yes, that's the right command
[03:54] <billybigrigger> you should read the release notes before upgrading though
[03:54] <billybigrigger> might save you some hassle of asking repeated questions in here
[03:54] <wolter> hi, how fast is lucid booting?
[03:54] <jage> adam, I did a fresh install going to Lucid, of course I was formatting from windows anyway
[03:55] <wolter> I get about 75s in karmic
[03:55] <dug> I have tried #ubuntu for hours,  I know this is lucid support but perhaps someone where could let me know why I am getting runlevel unknown on karmic,  I have tried everything I can thing of
[03:56] <[Adam|Miner]> Think I'll go with a fresh CD for now :/ not having the best of luck
[03:56] <[Adam|Miner]> My current disc is 8.04 XD
[03:57] <jage> what broadcom do you have?
[03:57] <[Adam|Miner]> I know it is a Compaq C727US, not sure exactly what chip they put in it
[03:58] <jage> my driver comes up as "Broadcom B43" ... hope it works for you
[03:58] <jage> you know about turning the driver on?
[04:00] <DanaG> !b43
[04:00] <DanaG> where
[04:00] <DanaG> where's 'ze' bot?
[04:00] <DanaG> oh, it PMs.
[04:00] <DanaG> !info b43-fwcutter
[04:01] <jage> !ubotto
[04:03] <jage> so anyone in here recommend a GUI file find that would result in being able to drop a replacement file in the folder?
[04:04] <pasjr> My FireFox is broke.  Did any one else lose the ability to use FireFox
[04:05] <crimsun> FYI, JACK has been approved to be promoted back into main, so pulseaudio will be shipping the jack source and sink in Lucid.
[04:05] <crimsun> This is likely to ripple over to xine-lib and alsa-plugins, too.
[04:06] <pasjr> ?????????????????
[04:06] <pasjr> hello
[04:07] <pasjr> any one here???
[04:08] <jage> !ask | pasjr
[04:10] <pasjr> What Happened to FireFox?  It broke
[04:13] <alex_mayorga> pasjr, let me see if mine breaks, I just got the latests updates BTW broke=???
[04:14] <pasjr> I can not enter http: add and go to it, can only go to what is bookmarked, and I have no search funtion
[04:14] <pasjr> no start page either
[04:21] <jage> movie player is saying it needs a plugin, requested plugin in "DVD subpicture decoder" and it's "No packages with the requested plug-in found"  What are these plugins and where can I search/install them?  DVD was created w/ Windows movie maker
[04:25]  * DanaG wonders if that pasjr just had to restart firefox.
[04:45] <andersk> My Firefox has the same problem.  Restarting doesn’t help.
[04:50] <andersk> This is possibly bug 523569?  It still seems weird that I can’t visit a URL in the address bar.
[04:56] <kklimonda> andersk: it's going to be fixed in ubuntu4 release
[05:15] <andersk> Yeah, 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 fixes it.
[05:15]  * alex_mayorga guesses he shouldn't have restarted Firefox
[05:17] <alex_mayorga> andersk, when's that coming out?
[05:17] <jage> how does one get the firefox fix?
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> so it's aptitude install chromium time?
[05:21] <jage> in my firefox I can use the homepage button.  Went to Edit > Prefs and changed the homepage to google.com, and I can use google just fine.  Clicking on links from here seems to work as well (e.g. the launchpad bug link)
[05:24] <kklimonda> grr.. why can't evolution support sieve..
[05:50] <wolter> Are there any major bugs in Lucid which would make it a non-recommendable system?
[05:50] <wolter> As of now, I'm having some problems with karmic, such as 70s boot times, and app-armor failures most probably due to that i installed the 2.6.32 kernel
[05:51] <kklimonda> wolter: lucid alpha quality - you don't know when it's going to break
[05:52] <kklimonda> wolter: you may not even be able to boot it or login
[05:52] <wolter> oh
[05:52] <wolter> thanks for the feedback :P
[05:52] <kklimonda> wolter: it's not recommended for the main system
[05:53] <wolter> ok, then its not for me, thanks again
[05:55] <andersk> alex_mayorga: I got it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox .  It’s already built for amd64, i386, and powerpc, but not uploaded yet.
[05:57] <jage> is there a way to set a backup point so that if an update fubars things Lucid can be reinstalled at the previous point (as opposed to format, install and reconfigure)?
[05:58] <kklimonda> jage: no
[06:02] <DanaG> well, full-partition backup might count.
[06:03] <arand> jage: partimage/fsarchiver/dd
[06:07] <genii> I wonder if a metric piano has 100 keys instead of 88
[06:07] <lenios> using a virtual machine could help restoring a previous point
[06:24] <kklimonda> heh, I'd use yahoo search if it didn't look so cramped compared to google
[06:25] <kklimonda> even bing looks better
[06:25] <iflema> ya rekon itll change?
[06:26] <kklimonda> probably not
[06:28] <iflema> kklimonda try out another metacrawler.... one that searches goole yahoo and whatever else..... all in one
[06:44] <cef> Trying to upgrade from Karmic to Lucid (Server install) using 'do-release-upgrade -d' and I get "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libplymouth2 for mountall, probably a dependency cycle." (Bug #514012 against mountall). Any suggestions to hard-force my way through this issue?
[07:13] <coz_> guys..any news on sun-java in the rpositories?
[07:17] <crimsun> what do you mean?
[07:17] <crimsun> sun-java was removed completely
[07:17] <hifi> :o
[07:18] <hifi> thats baaad
[07:18] <coz_> crimsun,  I see that but  many sites do not work with icedtea
[07:18] <coz_> and I have no interest in open java
[07:18] <coz_> will sun java be available though?
[07:19] <hifi> one finnish bank uses java for ebanking, it does not accept icedtea
[07:19] <crimsun> not in the Ubuntu repository, no.
[07:20] <hifi> I can already hear the screams
[07:20] <coz_> crimsun,  oo that  may stop my use of lucid ...the only reason I switched to ubuntu when it came out from BeOs is sun java :(
[07:20]  * DanaG read that as: ubuntu came out from BeOS.
[07:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, crimsun: I've been having lots of trouble getting "memblock.c: pool full" messages on that BeagleBoard.
[07:21] <coz_> manual install i guess :)
[07:21] <DanaG> Will it be in partner?
[07:22] <crimsun> DanaG: test 0ubuntu7 when it's built & available, please.
[07:22] <DanaG> okay, shall do.
[07:22] <DanaG> I've been streaming over cdc-ether from host to beagle, to onboard.
[07:23] <DanaG> I also randomly suddenly started having to enable the "headset" sliders to get any audio.  Boy, having that many sliders can be confusing.
[07:26] <DanaG> oh yeah, and I forgot to enable ubuntu-audio-dev repo on the thing.
[07:31] <virtuald_> is it just my firefox that is broken? i can't go to urls
[07:31] <virtuald_> if i type them in manually
[07:31] <virtuald_> search box doesn't work either
[07:32] <virtuald_> never mind there's a newer package
[07:32] <coz_> virtuald_, I noticed  ctrl+ enter doesn work let me check another
[07:32] <coz_> virtuald_,  no cant go to site when typing manually here either
[07:32] <DanaG> oh yeah, I do have the thing running in System mode on the beagleboard.
[07:35] <RAOF> crimsun: Is “ubuntu-bug audio” going to collect enough information to debug “the volume control on my USB speakers has approximately the full volume range compressed into the last 10% of the slider”?
[07:35] <virtuald_> o.O
[07:38] <virtuald_> coz_: now it works again when i got the newest packages
[07:38] <coz_> virtuald_,  mm I will have to update let me try
[07:38] <RAOF> I'd guess ALSA's lying about its ability to convert dB values, so I'm getting an exponential volume control rather than a linear one.
[07:40] <DanaG> eh, I had a thought.... my cm106 card: who could I donate one to to get the weird PA behavior fixed?
[07:40] <crimsun> DanaG: what does "weird" entail?
[07:40] <DanaG> This one:
[07:40] <crimsun> RAOF: not really, but it's already being discussed on alsa-devel@.
[07:41] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[07:41] <crimsun> pretty much all usb devices have this symptom
[07:41] <crimsun> all usb audio devices*
[07:41] <coz_> virtuald_,  yep works here as well
[07:41] <DanaG> ALso advertises bogus dpi... even confuses win7 out-of-the-box driver.
[07:41] <DanaG> er
[07:41] <DanaG> bogus dB.
[07:41] <DanaG> dBa.
[07:41] <DanaG> whatever.
[07:41] <DanaG> Sorry, I must have "DPI rant" leftovers littering my brain.
[07:43] <DanaG> =þ
[07:44] <RAOF> crimsun: Oh, so no point in filing a bug?
[07:44] <RAOF> Or just file one for tracking.
[07:45] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[07:46] <DanaG> yo yo MA
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> Quiet in here
[07:58] <DanaG> argh, this atom cpu sucks so much... scrolling on the host system makes the pulseaudio network audio drop out.
[07:58] <DanaG> The ARM is fine, though.
[07:59] <voidmage> oh, for whoever was about the SC2 beta earlier
[07:59] <voidmage> i found a download link on fileplanet, going to see how far i can get with the install and launch up until login at least
[07:59] <voidmage> (no key so i can't actually get in very far)
[08:00] <voidmage> in wine, that is
[08:03] <DanaG> GUAWd, this atom is slow.
[08:04] <DanaG> I'll have to stick firefox on the arm thingy to compare. =þ
[08:11] <ghostcube> why is sun java not included to lucid anymore ?
[08:12] <ghostcube> mtoolkit bug exists since years
[08:20] <chris|> ghostcube, it was replaced by opensdk
[08:20] <ghostcube> not working with many apps
[08:20] <ghostcube> no solution
[08:23] <chris|> then you should file bugs against those apps
[08:23] <DanaG> er, openjdk?
[08:23] <DanaG> that's s -> j
[08:24] <chris|> yeah, what I meant :)
[08:25] <ghostcube> i dont file bugs against 50% of the java apps
[08:25] <ghostcube> is ubuntu in relation with apple nowadyas or why is this ?
[08:25] <chris|> what does openjdk have to do with apple?
[08:26] <ghostcube> cause they blame sun java
[08:26] <ghostcube> thats all i ask
[08:26] <ghostcube> hmm ok nm i will install manually
[08:26] <chris|> Sun open sourced Java some years ago and since then, it's the openjdk
[08:26] <voidmage> oh whoops
[08:26] <coz_> yeah openjdk is not adequate enough for my use
[08:26] <voidmage> that whole SC2 thing i put in the wrong channel sorry about that
[08:26] <voidmage> :|
[08:26] <ghostcube> yep
[08:27] <chris|> you won't find anything else on Suns Webpage either
[08:28] <chris|> there IS NO Sun JDK any more, it's that simple
[08:29] <coz_> unfortunately that means I may have to move away from ubuntu
[08:29] <coz_> darn
[08:30]  * kklimonda shrugs
[08:30] <coz_> 6 years not wasted but now useless
[08:30] <chris|> to what end? using MS Java? yeah, that's propably much better
[08:31] <DanaG> hmm, some official news about this thing?
[08:31] <ghostcube> chris|: the apps dont work with open java but ok we file bugs now
[08:31] <ghostcube> we'll see
[08:31] <DanaG> the discontinuation, that id?
[08:32] <coz_> openjkd is useless  so I need  sun java  regardless of the distribution
[08:32] <kklimonda> coz_: if you think it's easier to switch to another distribution than to download sun java directly from their site than just switch.
[08:32] <ghostcube> kklimonda: thats not the point
[08:32] <chris|> ghostcube, you don't get it, do you? it's not an ubuntu thing, it's not a linux either, there IS NO Sun sdk any more
[08:32] <DanaG> Is this just a Lucid thing... or has Sun themselves discontinued the self-built Java?
[08:32] <DanaG> I need a news article link of some sort.
[08:33] <coz_> DanaG,  same here
[08:33] <ghostcube> chris|: i get it but i think you dont get it ... the apps dont run with open java
[08:33] <coz_> not clear on the reasoning  or rational
[08:33] <chris|> Solaris: OpenJDK, Windows: OpenJDK, Mac: OpenJDK, java.sun.com: OpenJDK
[08:33] <coz_> e
[08:33] <ghostcube> doenst matter what you tell me
[08:36] <DanaG> argh, for some reason, alllllllllllll my audio sliders are all muted!
[08:40] <kklimonda> I'm pretty sure that they are going to move sun java to partners repo before lucid is released
[08:41] <DanaG> I still see no news of official discontinuation of Java.
[08:42] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:42] <DanaG> DOesn't look discontinued to me.
[08:42] <DanaG> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
[08:42] <chris|> and why would you?
[08:44] <DanaG> so IS it just an Ubuntu decision?
[08:45] <chris|> no
[08:45] <kklimonda> DanaG: we are moving it to the partners repo so what's the problem?
[08:45] <DanaG> I was just reading one person saying that "even on Windows, only OpenJDK is left".
[08:45] <chris|> the bins from java.sun.com are build using the OpenJDK source
[08:45] <DanaG> So that's not correct.
[08:45] <DanaG> oh wait
[08:45] <DanaG> now I am half-confused. =þ
[08:46] <DanaG> where's some official source for that bit of info?
[08:47] <kklimonda> DanaG: openjdk is simply a java from sun that has been opensourced
[08:48] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK
[08:48] <DanaG> ah, so it's more like the two systems have converged.
[08:48] <kklimonda> and icedtea6 is a fully compatible java implementation
[08:48] <kklimonda> if any application doesn't work with it and works with java 6 from sun that it's a bug in the application
[08:49] <kklimonda> but the plan is to still have java 6 from sun in -partner repository
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: and what about a browser plugin?
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> I need to pay my taxes
[08:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: there is a plugin
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> and you know how public entities love to use java at 800x600
[08:53] <kklimonda> not really - in Poland I've managed not to use Java for anything ;)
[08:53] <kklimonda> on the other hand we still can't pay taxes though the internet
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> we can pay pretty much any official thing via internet
[08:59] <DanaG> bank site fail: http://branchline.pacificservice.org
[08:59] <DanaG> should redir to https.
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> even prepring marriage or new IDs
[08:59] <DanaG> but nope.
[09:03] <dAnjou> hey, ghostcube
[09:03] <ghostcube> hi dAnjou :)
[09:03] <kklimonda> heh, the more time passes since alpha2 release the longer my system boots :/
[09:03] <kklimonda> over 20 seconds after latest updates
[09:06] <kklimonda> so it looks like u1 music store sells mp3s.. and that's the only info I've managed to find :/
[09:12] <chris|> kklimonda, as far as I know, u1 is just a middle man. they just provide an interface for some partners content
[09:12] <kklimonda> chris|: indeed
[09:12] <kklimonda> but I was hoping to get a confirmation which partner it is
[09:12] <chris|> haven't found anything on that topic either
[09:13] <kklimonda> heh, loading jamendo catalog in rhythmbox makes rhythmbox use over 160MB of ram
[09:14] <chris|> but I wouldn't be surprised if you could find that in some unwanted id3 comment or something
[09:14] <kklimonda> there are quite a few clues that it is going to be 7digital
[09:17] <chris|> never heard of them
[09:17] <chris|> but "High Quality MP3 Downloads" is quite a contradiction ;)
[09:19] <kklimonda> well, for me MP3 files compressed with V0 lame settings are indistinguishable from flac files anyway ;)
[09:19] <arand> Is U1MS going to actually sell mp3s or ogg?
[09:20] <kklimonda> arand: All I've found out is that rhythmbox plugins installs mp3 decoder
[09:20] <kklimonda> plugin*
[09:21]  * DanaG wishes places would sell flac.
[09:21] <DanaG> Cowon S9 plays flac natively.  woot.
[09:21] <arand> So are you buying the decoder or are they simply ignoring the legalities?
[09:22] <kklimonda> no idea - it downloads fluendo version of the decoder so either Canonical has made a deal with them or it's free and legal now
[09:23] <kklimonda> looks like it's free
[09:24] <chris|> kklimonda, that might be even true, but I won't pay money for something that has been chopped down into a 20 year old format for the sake of stupidity
[09:25] <kklimonda> chris|: sure - you are entitled to your opinion. My friend says the same
[09:27] <chris|> also, buying CDs of ebay is often cheaper that downloads ;)
[09:28] <kklimonda> but then you get CD which you have to keep somewhere safe
[09:29] <kklimonda> I like buying digital content as long as I get the right to redownload it when I want exactly because I hate having physical mediums..
[09:30] <Sysi> i'm with xubuntu lucid on eee 701, how can i set up password for default keyring?
[09:32] <Sysi> or is that even possible yet
[09:32] <DanaG> CDs are good to just stash somewhere after you rip to, say, FLAC.
[09:34] <kklimonda> DanaG: sure - but the point is you have to stash them somewhere :)
[09:35] <DanaG> yeah, but you can put a whole bunch in the same place.  Like, the back of a closet.  Or something.
[09:36] <chris|> I would prefer digital as well, but so far, I have only found magnatunes to be a store that i like
[09:39] <kklimonda> hmm.. magnatune
[09:39] <kklimonda> I have to contact them and ask for access to my purchases..
[09:39] <kklimonda> I've removed @gmail.com account and it was a pretty dumb move to make ;)
[09:47] <om26er> any one using gwibber 2.29.90 ? its showing 2.29.1 in about window
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: correct
[09:51] <BUGabundo_remote> so?
[09:51] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, I'll report it
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> why?
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> its always changing
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> I bet it was put on a hurry to meet FF
[09:54] <BUGabundo_remote> ping kenvandine instead
[09:57] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, ok
[10:02] <zniavre> hello
[10:03] <zniavre> rhythmbox crash randomly, is it known as bug ?
[10:04] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: depends on the crash
[10:04] <BUGabundo_remote> :p
[10:04] <BUGabundo_remote> do you have a trace?
[10:04] <zniavre> not really there is no apport window (i started it with launcher not via terminal)
[10:05] <BUGabundo_remote> so it aint all that usefull
[10:05] <zniavre> yes i know
[10:06] <zniavre> but it's ramdomly sometime i can stay 1 hour , other time it crash after 5mn
[10:08] <kklimonda> zniavre: it still doesn't help - do you have /var/crash/_usr_bin_rhythmbox... file?
[10:08] <zniavre> kklimonda,  a yes it's opening apport window
[10:09] <zniavre> nice   thank you
[10:09] <zniavre> i m sending it right now
[10:17] <zniavre> #523721
[10:17] <kklimonda> bug 523721
[10:18] <zniavre> private ?
[10:18] <kklimonda> all crashes are made private by default as they may contain private data like logins, passwords etc.
[10:19] <zniavre> ho
[10:19] <zniavre> it still usefull like that ?
[10:19] <kklimonda> later, when apport-retrace tool checks it ubuntu-bugcontrol is going to be subscribed to it and we'll check attached files for any private data and make it public
[10:19] <zniavre> ok thank you
[10:19] <zniavre> let 's wait and see
[10:26] <om26er> just updated and after reboot no sound
[10:26] <om26er> ALSA lib conf.c:3272:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[10:26] <om26er> ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default
[10:26] <om26er> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[10:27] <om26er> this message came when started alsamixer from terminal
[10:28] <kklimonda> crimsun: ^
[10:28] <kklimonda> om26er: have you modified your audio stack or configuration somehow?
[10:28] <om26er> kklimonda, no, just updated
[10:34] <robin0800> what caused alpha3 to be slipped a week to the 25th?
[10:37] <ciplogic> Where I report the package unavailability? The biggest miss is gnome-shell but I found other one non updated with a daily update
[10:37] <om26er> ciplogic, gnome-shell is available in lucid
[10:38] <ciplogic> gnome-shell: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[10:38] <ciplogic> I use x64 version
[10:38] <ciplogic> (may matter)
[10:39] <ciplogic> Sorry: full error message is:  Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[10:39] <om26er> ciplogic, wanna try the daily ppa?
[10:39] <ciplogic> Which is the repo string?
[10:40] <ciplogic> Of course
[10:40] <om26er> ppa:ricotz/testing
[10:42] <ciplogic> so I should add this in synaptic, isn't so? " deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid ppa:ricotz/testing "
[10:42] <om26er> ciplogic, no
[10:43] <om26er> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/testing ;sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[10:43] <ciplogic> Thank you, you're right, I don't have errors on installing gjs right now
[10:44] <kklimonda> robin0800: why do you think it slipped?
[10:45] <robin0800> kklimonda: bugs I expect but that hasn't stopped them before
[10:46] <kklimonda> robin0800: 25th has been alpha3 release date since the beginning
[10:46] <kklimonda> well, since the moment we decided to synchronize with debian freeze
[10:50] <jve> I'm trying to install the daily build of lucid server from a usb stick onto a computer without a harddisk but with a sd-card. But when i come to the partitioning part in the install the sd-card does not show up. Haven't the server install got support for sd-cards?
[10:51] <kklimonda> no idea
[10:53] <om26er> jve, I guess yes as alternate install did not detect my sd card either
[11:06] <LSD|Ninja> Does Lucid compile epiphany with the webkit backend?
[11:10] <rww> LSD|Ninja: yes
[11:11] <LSD|Ninja> Awesome, so I can completely remove firefox, xulrunner, et al?
[11:12] <rww> I think yelp depends on xulrunner
[11:12] <RAOF> No, I'm pretty sure yelp has been ported to webkit.
[11:13] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: you can try - it is probably going to remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[11:13] <rww> looks like RAOF's right. Shiny :)
[11:13] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: I'll give it a go. It's sitting in a VM atm so if I take a snapshot first I can always roll it back >:D
[11:14] <JoshuaL> it would be awesome if we could choose what software to install when installing (maybe under a advanced option)
[11:14] <LSD|Ninja> Also, have they fixed aliases in the latest versions of Empathy, anyone know?
[11:15] <LSD|Ninja> The one in karmic is completely useless because I can't set my outgoing aliases in anything
[11:17] <kklimonda> what do you mean by aliases?
[11:18] <kklimonda> JoshuaL: not going to happen
[11:18] <JoshuaL> to bad
[11:18] <LSD|Ninja> Display names, whatever they're called in other clients. Basically what other people see in their contact lists instead of 94674033 or johndoe36845@hotmail.com
[11:19] <LSD|Ninja> The version of Epiphany in karmic looks as though it lets you change them, but close the window, open it again and it's back to what it was before
[11:19] <LSD|Ninja> not Epiphany, Empathy
[11:21] <kklimonda> works fine for me with Jabber but support for it may depend on protocol and if it's implemented in the llibrary
[11:22] <LSD|Ninja> There's like a dozen open bugs on this in their bugzilla. It doesn't surprise me the Jabber module works though, that's been around for absolutely ages (assuming that Empathy/Telepathy in GNOME is related to Empathy/Telepathy in Maemo)
[11:22] <robin0800> sound broken on today's update pulse audio has stopped working
[11:31] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone, I got the following problem (started with 9.10): One of my wireless networks (NOT the wireless network "button" itself) is greyed out so I can't connect to this network. I can, however, connect to another network but this connection is rather unstable. I am using b44 driver using ndiswrapper - how can I find out what the problem is and fix it?
[11:49] <marienz> heh, glad I have a second browser on standby, this firefox thing is a little annoying
[11:52] <kklimonda> what firefox thing?
[11:53] <kklimonda> ubuntu4 version still isn't uploaded?
[11:53] <crimsun> ubuntu4 is already available
[11:53] <crimsun> om26er: alsa-plugins is currently broken; I know about it
[11:53] <crimsun> I may not have time to fix it before I go to work in the next hour
[11:54] <om26er> ah. ok
[12:00] <jve> I hve installed desktop lucid now but plymuth crashes. How do i get into the bootloader and change to boot without plymuth?
[12:01] <kklimonda> keep shift pressed before grub loads
[12:01] <kklimonda> left shift
[12:01] <jve> ok thx
[12:06] <jve> it doesn't work
[12:07] <jve> I have tried right shift, left shift, holding it, spamming it
[12:07] <jve> but i still end up with a blinking cursor and nothing happens
[12:08] <kklimonda> jve: you sure you kept it hold before system starts booting?
[12:08] <jve> yes
[12:08] <jve> Could it be that grub failed when i installed?
[12:08] <marienz> hmm, I see references to this in my lastlog but no solution yet. My firefox stopped responding to the "enter" key in the url bar.
[12:08] <kklimonda> why do you think it's a plymouth issue then?
[12:08] <marienz> I can still navigate through clicking links, but I can't enter urls directly.
[12:09] <gnomefreak> marienz: run it in safe mode it should help it
[12:09] <marienz> urgh
[12:09] <marienz> extensions issue then, I'll find the guilty one
[12:10] <gnomefreak> marienz: more than likely it is if not than its likely a profile issue
[12:10] <marienz> yeah, I can debug firefox, don't worry. Just figured this'd probably be known.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> marienz: not as far as i heard yet
[12:11] <ghostcube> marienz: do you have more than one java konsole as plugin ?
[12:11] <ghostcube> remove all except the last one
[12:11] <marienz> my /lastlog has... 6 or so people complaining
[12:11] <marienz> I don't java
[12:12] <marienz> it's not ubufox. Disabling everything...
[12:12] <gnomefreak> there is an extension that is known for that and i cant recall the name
[12:13] <marienz> nope, still dead in safe mode. Trying a fresh profile...
[12:13] <gnomefreak> marienz: safe mode or just disabling extensions?
[12:13] <marienz> still dead in safe mode, which disables all extensions
[12:13] <crimsun> marienz: dpkg -l firefox
[12:13] <marienz> I just wanted to know if this was known. If it's not I'll debug, I can do that
[12:13] <gnomefreak> marienz: it disables more than just extensions
[12:13] <marienz> I know!
[12:14] <crimsun> marienz: i.e., which version is installed?
[12:14] <marienz> really, seriously, I can do basic debugging on firefox. You do not have to walk me through this. I just wanted to know if this specific problem (no working enter in the url bar after an upgrade earlier this morning) is known.
[12:14] <marienz> 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[12:14] <kklimonda> marienz: there have been a problem with ubuntu3 release but it didn't affect my url bar
[12:15] <crimsun> 0ubuntu3 is broken; please update.
[12:15] <marienz> ok, thanks
[12:15] <marienz> weird, my timing must've sucked
[12:16] <marienz> (and either my bug search sucked or it affecting the enter key in the url bar is an uncommon failure mode)
[12:19] <om26er> to report a bug against the icon of evolution should I choose humanity or report it against evolution
[12:20] <gnomefreak> om26er: does it only happen with that theme?
[12:20] <om26er> yes
[12:20] <gnomefreak> om26er: the theme than
[12:21] <vish> gnomefreak: is thunderbird3 not upgraded by default?
[12:21]  * vish doesnt see it being offered
[12:21] <gnomefreak> vish: it hasnt landed in Lucid yet. and yes it should be
[12:22] <vish> gnomefreak: oh , it hasnt..   heh, then whats asac tweeting all about ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> there are a few things that needed to be done last i heard but dont recall what is holding it up
[12:22] <om26er> vish, would you look into this? in window picker applet evolution's icon is not obvious whether its active or not
[12:22] <gnomefreak> vish: dont know havent gotten there yet :)
[12:22] <vish> om26er: screenshot ?
[12:23] <marienz> thanks, -ubuntu4 firefox fixed the failing enter key problem.
[12:23] <om26er> working on it
[12:31] <vish> om26er: use imagebin
[12:33] <om26er> vish, http://imagebin.org/85334
[12:33] <om26er> http://imagebin.org/85335
[12:34] <vish> om26er: what am i looking for?
[12:35] <om26er> evolution active or not no big difference
[12:36] <vish> om26er: with gnome?
[12:36] <om26er> yes
[12:36] <vish> om26er: hmm? screenshot with gnome ?
[12:36] <om26er> its window picker applet in netbook edition
[12:37] <LSD|Ninja> Any idea what's up with vboxmouse detection? It's rendering the pointer invisible when I have 3D on, and isn't letting me use anything but mouse capture with it on or off
[12:38] <vish> om26er: i'm not sure what the problem here is.. i dont use netbook.. how does it look with gnome-icon-theme
[12:39] <om26er> vish, just tried, actually in its case its not really obvious as both use white icon
[12:39] <vish> om26er: exactly! ;)
[12:40] <om26er> both themes have the issue
[12:40] <om26er> or not ;)
[12:40] <vish> om26er: the window picker just desaturates the inactive icon... but there is nothing to desaturate from a white icon ;p
[12:41] <om26er> vish, exactly
[12:43] <arpu> hello
[12:43] <arpu> have empathy and icq problems?
[12:43] <arpu> i get network error
[12:43] <vish> !ask | arpu
[12:44] <om26er> arpu, always network error?
[12:44] <arpu> yes
[12:44] <arpu> but in pidgin too
[12:44] <om26er> arpu, which type of internet are you using?
[12:44] <arpu> cable over router and wlan
[12:45] <arpu> works since 5 years :>
[12:52] <arpu> om26er, you have the same problem ?
[12:52] <om26er> arpu, no, I read many bug reports like that
[12:52] <Homere> I'm testing lucid lynx on Xen PV and I don't get upstart messages on the console (starting OpenSSH Server [OK]), only kernel log and upstart errors.
[12:52] <Homere> hello
[12:53] <om26er> arpu, but in every case pidgin worked fine so your case is a bit unique
[12:54] <om26er> arpu, try this open gconf-editor
[12:54] <om26er> arpu, click on apps>empathy and untick use_con
[12:55] <om26er> that *might* help
[12:56] <arpu> same problem
[12:59] <om26er> arpu, report a bug
[12:59] <om26er> arpu, can you please try to use wired internet and see if that helps?
[12:59] <arpu> this makes no different i think
[13:00] <arpu> i make same debug infos and make an bug report
[13:00] <arpu> thx
[13:18] <cow_> Hemm, What should I do when I got a broken packacge that fixing it requires to remove ubuntu-desktop?:O
[13:18] <cow_> (This is what "sudo apt-get -f install" tells)
[13:24] <JoshuaL> report a bug :p
[13:25] <jpds> cow_: That's fine.
[13:26] <jpds> cow_: Just be sure to read the description of 'apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop'
[13:26] <cow_> Whats fine.. If be losing alot of the ubuntu stuff
[13:26] <jpds> cow_: No.
[13:26] <jpds> cow_: It's just a package that depends on all the other packages.
[13:27] <rye> btw, i figured out why my /tmp is not cleaned (I was running in circles, screaming and shouting about /tmp not being tmpfs in this channel). I have /usr on a separate partition. /usr/bin/find was not present on when /tmp mounted event arrived. Filed a bug. :)
[13:27] <cow_> Well. Still how can I avoid to remove this?
[13:28] <cow_> Isn't way clear this list without actualy do what its asking?
[13:29] <kklimonda> cow_: what package is that?
[13:30] <cow_> unbutu-desktop":|
[13:30] <kklimonda> cow_: but what package is broken?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu-desktop
[13:30] <cow_> Hem.. GR I dont realy remember, thats not broken at my computer..
[13:31] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:32] <cow_> Ok hope that it wont remove any other stuff too:X
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> (01:50:39 PM) asac: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1/+build/1514870
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> TB3.x is now in the archive
[13:52] <johe|work> hi, i just downloaded lucid (server amd64) iso and tried to install, but grub cant be installed, i tried on an ESX system, any idea?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh one ESC to many
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> no idea johe|work
[13:52] <johe|work> so, its also no 'normal' known bug?
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> never touched ESX so I can't say
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> take a peak at LP
[13:54] <rye> johe|work, you should use daily build
[13:54] <rye> johe|work, the one that happened to be in lucid alpha2 has broken grub installation
[13:55] <johe|work> well, rye where to find the daily?
[13:55] <johe|work> just found the other
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> shouldnt be much on that keyword
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> !daily | johe|work
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> bah
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> I assumed he was using dailies :(
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> my bad
[13:55] <rye> johe|work, ubuntu server is @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[13:55]  * BUGabundo_remote will start demanding md5 hash of isos
[13:56] <johe|work> thx rye
[13:56] <johe|work> BUGabundo_remote, hehe, i assumed too ;-)
[13:57] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, i got hit by this bug as well. And I was one click away before submitting the bug report, then the daily image finished downloading and I started installation from that. It installed grub w/o any problem.
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> well if it was fixed in daily
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> no need to bug on alpha
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but ppl still download that
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> for some *****d reason
[13:58] <jve> I have installed lucid desktop daily onto a sd-card but when i boot get an error taht says it can't find my root device and i am dropped to a initramfs shell. If i look into the /dev i there's no mmcblk devices. Can you help me?
[13:58] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, right, need alpha2 SP1
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> jve: file a bug
[13:58] <ppine> Hello, other people experience a broken pulseaudio / alsa after today's upgrade?
[13:58] <kklimonda> ppine: see topic
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> ppine: /Topic
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> damn it kklimonda beat me to it
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> :( im soooo lagged
[13:59] <ppine> err? fix uploaded?
[13:59] <ppine> it just broke....
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> no build yet
[14:00] <ppine> its a automated proces?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> if it doesn't fail to build
[14:01] <kklimonda> heh, 2 seconds to the 10s boot target
[14:01] <ppine> ok, should be a matter of hours then right?
[14:03] <BUGabundo_remote> ppine: track the buildes
[14:03] <BUGabundo_remote> https://launchpad.net/builders/
[14:05] <ppine> Thanks, i can see its building on a sparc machine
[14:06] <ppine> this will give i386 ?
[14:07] <jemark> no more sound after the latest pulseaudio update :(
[14:07] <ppine> jemark: known issue, its being resolved atm
[14:07] <jemark> cool, thanks ppine
[14:07] <ppine> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+build/1516095
[14:08] <jemark> ppine, is that a ppa for karmic or lucid?
[14:08] <ppine> lucid
[14:08] <ppine> Binary packages awaiting publication:
[14:08] <ppine> what does that mean in general?
[14:08]  * BUGabundo_remote hands a dicitionarie to ppine
[14:09] <ppine> merci
[14:09] <ppine> you knew what i meant it :P
[14:09] <ppine> _timespan...
[14:09]  * BUGabundo_remote hands a dictionary english to french to ppine
[14:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh time
[14:09] <jemark> just waiting for this evening update then?
[14:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ask crimsun
[14:09] <jemark> ;)
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: evening *where* in the world?
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> its 14h here
[14:10] <tgpraveen12> http://www.mail-archive.com/lucid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05961.html
[14:10] <tgpraveen12> ubuntu one music store in
[14:10] <jemark> it's 15:10 here
[14:11]  * BUGabundo_remote updates
[14:11] <rye> tgpraveen12, http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/
[14:12] <tgpraveen12> rye: heh interesting. who created that site?
[14:12] <rye> tgpraveen12, aquarius, ubuntuone dev
[14:13] <tgpraveen12> nice but then what does http://www.mail-archive.com/lucid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05961.html mean?
[14:13] <tgpraveen12> it is ready right?
[14:13] <jemark> i hope that the sound issue will be solved soon since I like to listen to the news this evening ;)
[14:13] <rye> tgpraveen12, it is not ready for production yet, the plugin is created, the server side is being worked on
[14:14] <knittl> hi. after recent upgrades my sound broke
[14:14] <knittl> Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[14:14] <jemark> me too, knittl. knows issue according to ppine
[14:15] <knittl> ok, then it's alright :)
[14:15] <knittl> volume control is also missing in panel, and rhythmbox is not shown in notification area
[14:15] <jemark> known issue according to ppine... and it will be solved soon but I have no idea how soon ;)
[14:15] <knittl> it's ok, i listen to the radio in the meantime :D
[14:16] <vaibhav> My webcam is not working , Dell 1525 inspiron, integrated webcam, it worked fine in karmic
[14:16] <jemark> knittl, I don't have that problem... i remember that I had no more speaker applet but I added this manually. no issue with Rhythmbox, just no sound
[14:16] <knittl> jemark: what's the name of the applet? i can't find sound nor speaker
[14:16] <BUGabundo_remote> $ aptitudeupgrade
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> humm my terminal buffer just got clean, after libpam upgrade
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> not a good sign
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> knittl: /topic
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> vaibhav: file a bug against kernel (aka linux)
[14:18] <vaibhav> k
[14:18] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: volume is now and indicator, not applet :\
[14:18] <knittl> BUGabundo_remote: jemark already told me. just wanted to mention my panelapplets are also gone
[14:18] <knittl> oh, volume is in indicator now? good :)
[14:18] <knittl> btw … i miss hover for rhythmbox indicator icon
[14:18] <BUGabundo_remote> Fetched 4,817kB in 5s (878kB/s)
[14:19] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh we are back
[14:19] <jemark> knittl, gnome-volume-control-applet
[14:19] <jemark> knittl, try to run that
[14:19] <knittl> yup, that helped :)
[14:19] <knittl> but i don't have sound anyway ;)
[14:20] <jemark> knittl, me too, like I said, a known issue...
[14:20] <knittl> s igl ludl jgt TT
[14:20] <knittl> wops * i got that now ^^
[14:21] <knittl> (wrong keyboard layout xD)
[14:21] <jemark> knittl, I added the gnome-volume-control-applet in the startup items... then it will appear as normal again after the reboot
[14:21] <knittl> but still no sound :P
[14:22] <jemark> ppine, do you have the LP number of this issue so I can track it when the update will be released?
[14:23] <ppine> jemark: i am new to this tracking thing as well, i suppose : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu8/+build/1516046
[14:23] <ppine> its found there and the build is finished i downloaded some deps manually but i cant install depency errors.
[14:24] <jemark> ppine, that's a ppa for karmic, I'm afraid
[14:24] <ppine> Series: Lucid
[14:24] <jemark> ppine, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable
[14:24] <ppine> yeah thats something else :)
[14:25] <ppine> checkout the last link i posted
[14:25] <ppine> its the primary archive of ubuntu :> lucid
[14:25] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: DON'T Had it
[14:25] <metricpiano> what's the latest on the ff fix for no search/no url entry? (bug 523569)
[14:25] <BUGabundo_remote> it was replace!!
[14:25] <jemark> only karmic...
[14:25] <BUGabundo_remote> its now a new indicator
[14:26] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: don't link to that builder
[14:26] <BUGabundo_remote> just look at the package queue
[14:26] <BUGabundo_remote> metricpiano: ask on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[14:26] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, i see.
[14:29] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, do you have an idea when we can expect the fix for the sound issue?
[14:29] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[14:32] <jemark> i regret i updated today
[14:32] <ppine> jemark: so do i :)
[14:32] <jemark> ppine, also no sound for you, right?
[14:32] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: downgrade
[14:32] <ppine> nope...
[14:32] <BUGabundo_remote> don't you have the old one in cache?
[14:32] <BUGabundo_remote> no X is worse, believe mne
[14:33] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, tell me how to do that please?
[14:33] <ppine> BUGabundo_remote: well i can chat browse and listen to music from a tty :)
[14:33] <knittl> i still have my mp3 player with rockbox on it, so everything is fine
[14:33] <knittl> i will survive a day without youtube :D
[14:33] <BUGabundo_remote> ppine: LOL
[14:33] <knittl> mocp \*/
[14:33] <BUGabundo_remote> mocp FTW
[14:33] <knittl> :)
[14:33] <jemark> knittl, I have an internet radio next to me... ;)
[14:34] <aquarius> hm, sound is broken since upgrading about an hour ago...sound preferences thinks that sound is playing OK. I also don't have a sound menu. How do I start debugging this?
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> crimsun: will downgrade help this needy guys, or the build will be soon out ?
[14:34] <ppine> aquarius: dont its a known issue
[14:34] <knittl> jemark: i have radio on my mp3 device ;)
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> aquarius: /topic
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> damn... don't ppl read topic anymore?
[14:34] <jemark> aquarius, welcome to the club. ppine and I have the same issue
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> go look into your apt cache
[14:34]  * knittl too
[14:35] <aquarius> BUGabundo_remote, the topic says that fixed PA is uploaded. :)
[14:35] <knittl> but i don't care *g*
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote> in /var/cache/apt/archive
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote> see if you have the older packages
[14:35] <jemark> BUG, it should be still there... I will check it now
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote> tehn$ sudo dpkg -i THOSE files
[14:35] <om26er> is there a way so that humanity dont use monochrome
[14:36] <BUGabundo_remote> aquarius: uploaded != build != released
[14:36] <aquarius> BUGabundo_remote, pulseaudio* and alsa* in the older versions?
[14:37] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, where do I look for an how to install the older version from the cache?
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> aquarius: -1 then the on you have?
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: 3 lines above you asked
[14:38] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, I see but which files caused the issue exactly?
[14:39] <aquarius> BUGabundo_remote, yeah, just checking which packages need re-doing. If new ones are in the queue, I'll wait.
[14:39] <stdisease> I currently can't install xorg-driver-fglrx - am I doing something wrong
[14:39] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, i will try the pulse*
[14:40] <stdisease> gives me a complain about a xserver-xorg-core dependency
[14:40] <ppine> Forget it, the version is the same
[14:40] <ppine> it wont be in the cache...
[14:41] <jemark> ppine, i see
[14:41] <ppine> at least here it is. : Package: pulseaudio
[14:41] <ppine> Versions:
[14:41] <ppine> 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu6
[14:41] <ppine> oops
[14:42] <jemark> ppine, makes more sense since the cache are the files just downloaded
[14:42] <ppine> maybe u have them try this command: sudo apt-cache showpkg pulseaudio
[14:42] <jemark> ppine, this one is in my cache pulseaudio_1%3a0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[14:43] <ppine> same here
[14:43] <jemark> ppine, we are in the same boat
[14:43] <ppine> sucks to watch porn without the sound does it not. :P
[14:43] <jemark> ppine, just waiting is the best i guess
[14:43] <jemark> ppine, hahaha
[14:44] <jemark> ppine, watching dvb-t tv without sound is not so nice
[14:45] <knittl> ppine: haha, just told that to a friend over jabber xD
[14:45] <knittl> without reading your message first
[14:45] <jemark> knittl, haha
[14:46] <ppine> :D tell him jemark is trying to cover himself telling us he doesnt like watching dvb-t tv without sound
[14:46] <ppine> like there aint no pron channels on dvb-t :P
[14:46] <knittl> xD
[14:46] <jemark> knittl, using skype without sound is not so nice too
[14:47] <knittl> i don't use/have skype
[14:47] <ppine> ahwell, what can we expect running a distribution in development.
[14:47] <jemark> knittl, i can't hear the one calling.. im going to sleep ;)\
[14:48] <jemark> sound is pretty basic...
[14:48] <knittl> but you can always use sign language on skype ;)
[14:48] <ppine> true, but anything is prone to failure.
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> stdisease: as yet to update their driver to match Xorg
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> just use open driver instead
[14:48] <jemark> you mean calling to a landline with skype?
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> am I all alone in here today???
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda, bjsnider, yofel_, charlie-tca, HELP
[14:49] <kklimonda> what?
[14:49] <kklimonda> :P
[14:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: what do you need help with?
[14:49] <jemark> knittl, but you like the solution for the applet, right? ;)
[14:49]  * kklimonda is reading backlog
[14:49] <stdisease> BUGabundo_remote, ah all-right then
[14:49] <knittl> jemark: no, still no sound :P
[14:50] <jemark> knittl, at least it's a known issue and you have the speaker back...
[14:50] <jemark> :P
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: I'm becoming a bot, *again*
[14:50] <knittl> so i get reminded of the issue all the time? xD
[14:51] <jemark> what's wrong with firefox (broken in the topic?)
[14:51] <kklimonda> jemark: 0ubuntu4 is fixed
[14:51] <jemark> i have changed the search to google again, that's all..
[14:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: I'm having an information overload - too many channels, not nearly enough time :)
[14:52] <BUGabundo_remote> I know
[14:52] <BUGabundo_remote> ME TOO
[14:52]  * BUGabundo_remote is mentally tired today
[14:52] <kklimonda> heh, I've been waking up at 5am for the last few days..
[14:52] <BUGabundo_remote> not enouth sleep and strange dream for the 1st time in ages
[14:52] <kklimonda> right now I'm a zombie
[14:52] <BUGabundo_remote> try not sleeping for 5 days
[14:52] <BUGabundo_remote> then you will know what a zoombie is
[14:53] <kklimonda> heh - working on some awesome thing or just insomnia? :)
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> no no not now
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> a few years ago
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> when I used to do Lan Parties
[14:53] <stdisease> Lan Parties??
[14:55] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote: sorry, I missed it
[14:55] <charlie-tca> What am I helping with?
[14:56] <kklimonda> apparently we've got quite a few nasty bugs and a lot of people are asking about them :)
[14:58] <charlie-tca> I just confirmed the abiword bug. It won't start in lucid.
[14:58]  * BUGabundo_remote puts /topic on quick trigger
[14:59] <knittl> /t
[15:00] <jemark> im updating with the latest pulseaudio updates now
[15:00] <knittl> me2
[15:01] <knittl> \*/
[15:01] <jemark> knittl, a reboot and then I will be back, you too?
[15:01] <ppine> jemark:
[15:01] <knittl> do i have to reboot?
[15:01] <ppine> what mirror are u using ?
[15:01] <jemark> ppine, the main one
[15:01] <ppine> im using the dutch mirror its not here yet.
[15:01] <jemark> ppine, for development, I use the main repo...
[15:02] <ppine> jemark: ok i will wait to see if you got it working again
[15:02] <ppine> curious
[15:02] <jemark> knittl, i guess, you can also kill pulseaudo and start pulseaudio again ofcourse
[15:03] <jemark> ppine, ok, see ya in a while crocodile
[15:03] <BUGabundo_remote> I use a local mirro, plus main
[15:03] <BUGabundo_remote> that way files in the mirror save bw from main
[15:03] <knittl> pulseaudio -k will not work xD
[15:03] <BUGabundo_remote> reboot
[15:03] <knittl> later
[15:07] <ppine> alsamixer gives the same error :(
[15:07] <jemark> ppine, still same
[15:08] <ppine> bummer :(
[15:08] <jemark> yes me too: ALSA lib conf.c:3272:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[15:08] <jemark> ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default
[15:08] <jemark> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[15:08] <jemark> :(
[15:09] <stdisease> hmm I get the same error
[15:09] <jemark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/523722
[15:11] <ppine> jemark: and if you try : sudo alsa force-reload
[15:12] <jemark> ppine, what happened with urs?
[15:12] <ppine> still not working, but i didnt reboot yet
[15:13] <knittl> ppine: that crashed my firefox :>
[15:13] <jemark> http://pastebin.com/m4effe32b
[15:15] <jemark> ppine, see u soon. you can check my output here http://pastebin.com/m4effe32b
[15:16] <jemark> ppine, still no sound
[15:17] <ppine> same messega here
[15:17] <ppine> rebootign now
[15:20] <ppine> nope, no luck
[15:20] <jemark> ok
[15:20] <ppine> + gtk looks ugly
[15:20] <jemark> we are in the same boat
[15:21] <jemark> which theme?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> guys stop beatching
[15:21] <jemark> here as ugly as before ;)
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> you are worse then danag on stroids :D
[15:21] <ppine> human lucid
[15:21] <BUGabundo_remote> mine is simply beautiful
[15:21] <alex_mayorga> :)
[15:22] <BUGabundo_remote> I just can't show COMPIZ cause I'm over Free NX
[15:22] <alex_mayorga> what's the "uglyness"?
[15:22] <ppine> and audacious is showing gtk decoration even though its set not to
[15:23] <jemark> weird, no change in human theme here, only nicer icons
[15:24] <ppine> alex_mayorga: http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2228/screenshotuqm.png
[15:25] <knittl> adacious supposed to be a winamp clone? :D
[15:25] <jemark> ppine, just ur font is ugly..
[15:27] <ppine> jemark: no the font is nice :P
[15:27] <ppine> that supposed to be like that
[15:27] <jemark> ppine, i see, I like a bigger font, but I don't see what's really ugly
[15:28] <xxploit> anyone else not have sound after upgrading packages?
[15:28] <knittl> /topic
[15:28] <jemark> xxploit, welcome to the club and please check the topic. here are a bunch of ppl having sound issues after the latest upgrade
[15:29] <xxploit> i looked at the topic, topic seems to say that fixes were available? least thats what i thought it said
[15:29] <jemark> ppine, i don't have human-lucid . where did you get this theme?
[15:29] <xxploit> fixed pulseaudio & alsa-plugins uploaded
[15:30] <jemark> xxploit, yes but my latest upgrade didnt solve the issue
[15:30] <barf> I did a dist-upgrade to 10.4
[15:30] <knittl> xxploit: uploaded does not mean it's built and released
[15:30] <barf> and the config for dovecot-postfix is all different
[15:30] <ppine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Human-Lucid
[15:30] <barf> I chose to keep my current configs
[15:30] <jemark> xxploit, knittl gave the answer ;)
[15:30] <barf> How can I reconfigure?
[15:31] <xxploit> knittl, o i think it meant the packages were now available, been like 2 days since i upgrade and read that and assume the fixes had been applied
[15:31] <xxploit> thought*
[15:31] <jemark> ppine, do you have a deb file? ;)
[15:31] <kklimonda> barf: try reinstalling package
[15:31] <kklimonda> barf: or purging it and installing again
[15:31] <barf> remove install?
[15:31] <ppine> jemark: nope just download the tar, open your appearance propperties and drag it in
[15:32] <kklimonda> apt-get --purge remove to delete your configuration (make sure to backup it)
[15:32] <barf> I tried dpkg -configure dovecot-postfix, but it told me that it was already configured
[15:32] <jemark> ppine, i will do that and see if it is "ugly"
[15:32] <kklimonda> barf: it would be dpkg-reconfigure
[15:33] <kklimonda> (a command, not option)
[15:33] <barf> ahh
[15:33] <barf> So that might still work for me?
[15:34] <kklimonda> it won't hurt to try
[15:35] <knittl> LOOOOOL, what's wrong with eagles…? xD
[15:35] <barf> Eagles?
[15:35] <jemark> ppine, ok here it seems...
[15:35] <barf> Or Tom Bombadil?
[15:36] <barf> Now you see me, now you don’t sort of...
[15:36] <knittl> barf: user joining all the time, just to get kicked 2 seconds later for flooding
[15:36] <jemark> http://img192.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img192/5499/screenshotpp.png
[15:36] <jemark> ppine, this is the screenshot: http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5499/screenshotpp.png
[15:36] <ppine> here is a close up of the problem : http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7177/gtkerror.png
[15:37] <jemark> ppine, can u check mine?
[15:37] <ppine> aber das ist ganz gut ja
[15:38] <ppine> u dont seem to have the problem
[15:38] <knittl> ppine: hihi, falscher chan? ;)
[15:38] <jemark> ppine, ben ook een Nederlander
[15:38] <jemark> ppine, also Dutch like you
[15:38] <barf> Is there a way to make linux and MacOS X co exist on the same node?
[15:38] <ppine> wrom moet je weten dan hoeveel graden het in dusseldorp is :P
[15:39] <barf> Ideally I would say 5GB MOSX, 5GB Ubuntu, 200GB storage
[15:39] <ppine> ah u live in germanencountry
[15:39] <barf> but which format to choose for storage?
[15:39] <BUGabundo_remote> why do ppl do dist upgrades !?!?!? specially when changing distro versions?? this is NOT debian... please use update-manager -d next time barf
[15:39] <jemark> ppine, yes, but will move shortly
[15:40] <jemark> ppine, for off-topic we can go to ubuntu-nl-offtopic ;)
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> barf: we recommend mailbox
[15:41] <ppine> u see the gtk glitches ? in the last link
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> ohh no longer on mail subject
[15:41] <ppine> maybe its because of my dpi
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> FS is ext4
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> 5G is very small
[15:41] <ppine> BUGabundo_remote: besure to set noatime,nobarrier
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> make that at least 10GB plus swap
[15:42] <jemark> ppine, maybe a reboot will help (again) or it's the video driver?
[15:42] <barf> What is mailbox?
[15:42] <BUGabundo_remote> since everyone is so verbose today (and I can't work like this), anyone having X and dbus link dying to the point no new windows open up ??
[15:42] <jemark> ppine, i see some glitches now, too
[15:42] <BUGabundo_remote> err
[15:43] <BUGabundo_remote> you scared me Pici
[15:43] <jemark> ppine, just a development version i guess..i will delete it and go back to the normal human theme...
[15:43] <BUGabundo_remote> barf: you don't know what maildir is and you manage a mail server?!
[15:43] <barf> maildir I like
[15:44] <ppine> jemark: have the problem here even with clearlooks
[15:44] <barf> mbox becomes corrupt
[15:44] <barf> I have mbox on my current mail setup
[15:44] <jemark> ppine, really? i will check mine
[15:45] <jemark> ppine, yes me too
[15:45] <jemark> ppine, at least the sound is worse than this
[15:45] <jemark> ppine, i wouldn't have noticed it
[15:46] <jemark> ppine, normal human seems ok here
[15:47] <ppine> strange things happening
[15:48] <jemark> ppine, yes but the sound need to be fixed soon ;)
[15:48] <ppine> how did they manage lucid to boot so fast actually
[15:48] <jemark> ppine, not bad isnt it.
[15:49] <ppine> really nice
[15:50] <kklimonda> so my sound doesn't work...
[15:50] <kklimonda> great ;)
[15:52] <ppine> kklimonda: type : modprobe pcspkr
[15:52] <jemark> kklimonda, great?
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: won't bother him
[15:53] <ppine> he's being synical
[15:53] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, i does bother me :(
[15:53] <jemark> ppine, ok
[15:54] <ppine> new updates available ....( cups and consorts
[15:55] <jemark> ppine, i see
[15:55] <jemark> i can't see the "no sound" issue here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[15:56] <ppine> ah its not ubuntu specific
[15:56] <ppine> check google its popping up all over now
[15:56] <ppine> also suse 11.2 rc2 suffering from the same problem
[15:56] <jemark> ppine, i see
[15:57] <jemark> ppine, then should be fixed soon (hopefully)
[15:57] <ppine> err well that was a post from november last year now i see :S
[15:57] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation
[15:57] <jemark> ppine, updated cups...
[15:57] <kklimonda> have you added your results?
[16:01] <ppine> shame there is no jsf driver for w32 then i could listen my music in windows
[16:02] <kklimonda> heh, still no sound and I have updated both pulse and alsa plugins..
[16:02] <kklimonda> stupid jack migration
[16:04] <kklimonda> Pulseaudio plugin:  no from alsa-plugins build log..
[16:05] <jemark> kklimonda, me too
[16:05] <jemark> kklimonda, probably there will be a new update soon...
[16:07] <jemark> ppine, any solution yet?
[16:12] <jemark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/523874
[16:14] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[16:14] <BUGabundo_remote> great name for a bug
[16:15] <BUGabundo_remote> almost as good as "ubuntu doesn't work" :p
[16:18] <genii> BUGabundo_remote: Or "broken"
[16:19] <Hellmark[S10e]> anyone having issues with KDE 4.4 freezing up?
[16:20] <Hellmark[S10e]> about 5-10 minutes after logging in, KDE stops responding to keyboard and mouse input
[16:20] <Hellmark[S10e]> using a Intel GMA950 for graphics
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> my audio is too faint today, is that a known problem?
[16:28] <ppine> on the sound thing, i can get the mixer to work by placing libasound_module_conf_pulse.so in /usr/lib/ rather then /usr/lib/alsa-lib
[16:28] <ppine> still no sound though...
[16:28] <kklimonda> ach, this silence is deafening..
[16:29] <jemark> ppine, sound is back?
[16:29] <jemark> i see
[16:31] <jemark> im waiting for an update ;)
[16:31] <jemark> the firefox update wiped my bookmarks...
[16:32] <alex_mayorga> jemark: check del.icio.us ;)
[16:32] <alex_mayorga> there are pulse updates, let me pull those
[16:33] <jemark> alex_mayorga, thanks, i will pull those as well
[16:34] <jemark> i had an backup in ubuntu one...
[16:34] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to reset the sound levels?
[16:36] <ppine> jemark: u have new updates to for pulse ?
[16:37] <jemark> ppine, no, not yet
[16:37] <kklimonda> they don't seem to fix anything
[16:38] <jemark> yep
[16:38] <kklimonda> I have both new pulse and alsa-plugins
[16:38] <jemark> i will just relax and listen to the radio
[16:38] <jemark> kklimonda, no solution?
[16:38] <kklimonda> jemark: not yet
[16:39] <jemark> kklimonda, ppine,  i will come back after a few hours
[16:40] <ppine> http://tinyurl.com/3cjvp2
[16:40] <ppine> allrighty
[16:40] <kklimonda> ppine: please - don't tell me you have just pasted a link to porno site on purpose..
[16:41] <jemark> oh no, i thought it was a fix
[16:41] <ppine> kklimonda: no i was thinking it was i site about keez dogś :P
[16:42] <jemark> at least no sound...
[16:42] <ppine> :D
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> ppine: no sound there either :(
[16:42] <jemark> it would be strange that there will be sound and not in rhytmbox...
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> actually there's sound, but super faint
[16:43] <jemark> really?
[16:43] <jemark> let's check :D
[16:43] <alex_mayorga> so I'm sticking to my messed up levels theory
[16:44] <jemark> really? but can't even startup alsamixer
[16:45] <alex_mayorga> there's sound if I plug headphones
[16:45] <jemark> really?
[16:45] <alex_mayorga> yup
[16:45] <jemark> ok, i will check
[16:45] <ppine> alex_mayorga: try this, like this you are able to use the alsamixer from the terminal again
[16:46] <ppine> sudo cp /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so /usr/lib
[16:46] <BUGabundo_remote> GUYS listen to me for a sec
[16:46] <BUGabundo_remote> install PAMAN
[16:46] <BUGabundo_remote> open it up and check the percentage of the pipes
[16:46] <jemark> ok
[16:46] <alex_mayorga> ppine: sorry the DP video got me distracted :P
[16:47] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: what's the package name
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> my output tab on sound preferences has "analog-output-desktop-speaker" and "Analog Output" does that matter?
[16:48] <jemark> alex_mayorga, but i have no sound from the headphone...
[16:49] <ppine> did one of you try this ? sudo cp /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so /usr/lib
[16:49] <ppine> it will give you back access to "alsamixer"
[16:49] <BUGabundo_remote> alex_mayorga: err paman?
[16:49] <BUGabundo_remote> !info paman
[16:50]  * alex_mayorga kicks the bot
[16:51] <ppine> thats excluding the deps
[16:51] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: installed, how do I check the levels?
[16:53] <jemark> ppine, yep, installed it
[16:53] <BUGabundo_remote> nothing like a good kike to make stuff work
[16:53] <BUGabundo_remote> alex_mayorga: open it up, 2nd or 3rd tab
[16:53]  * charlie-tca is impressed. That was a good kick
[16:53] <BUGabundo_remote> check the pipes props
[16:54] <knittl> libasound2-plugins in update
[16:54] <knittl> \*/
[16:55] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: it's all 100%
[16:55] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, where is the pipes?
[16:55] <alex_mayorga> do I need to restart something?
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> if it is LOW increase it
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> on karmic I used to get ass low as 10%
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> or as high as 400%
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> it was weird
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> its way better (until) now
[16:56] <knittl> alsamixer is working again
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> I can't test
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I can't open new windows until reboot
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm amazed as I'm the only one with that
[16:57] <kklimonda> :)
[16:57] <knittl> ok, sudo also force-reload after upgrading helps
[16:58] <ppine> knittl: u got sound ?
[16:58] <knittl> but speakers in alsamixer are now muted again -.-
[16:58] <jemark> ok, i will do that
[16:58] <knittl> ppine: hell yeah :D
[16:58] <ppine> Good me next :P
[16:58] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: that's pulse audio volume control, right?
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> correct
[16:59] <alex_mayorga> how do I make it 400%
[16:59] <ppine> knittl: how did u get sound again?
[17:00] <knittl> hm yap, seems like a regression that was already fixed once
[17:00] <knittl> ppine: apt-get upgrade (libasound2-plugins)
[17:00] <knittl> then alsa force-reload
[17:00] <knittl> alsamixer and crank up the speaker volume
[17:00] <knittl> volume of speakers is reset when pulseaudio restarts
[17:01] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: I don't think I have pulse as the volume meter doesn't move :S
[17:01] <jemark> fixed here too!
[17:01] <jemark> yaah
[17:01] <alex_mayorga> knittl, jemark: mind a step by step?
[17:02] <jemark> alex_mayorga,  ok, here you go.
[17:02] <knittl> but i don't like this muting issue …
[17:02] <jemark> alex_mayorga, do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade (for the few new updates)
[17:02] <jemark> knittl, my sounds works again
[17:03] <ppine> not working for me
[17:03] <knittl> mine too
[17:03] <ppine> no new updates neither
[17:03] <knittl> but when restarting pulseaudio speaker volume is set to 0
[17:03] <alex_mayorga> jemark: on it
[17:03] <jemark> alex_mayorga, did you get some updates?
[17:03] <ppine> did you all install that paman thing ?
[17:03] <alex_mayorga> jemark: bear with me, slow interwebs :(
[17:03] <ppine> gtg
[17:04] <jemark> ppine, yes, i did and then after the update forced the alsa thing then reset the sound level in paman
[17:04] <jemark> works ok now
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> jemark: use aptitude safe-upgrade instead
[17:05]  * BUGabundo_remote goes for another round of updates
[17:05] <jemark> BUGabundo_remote, i don't use aptitude and apt-get together ;)
[17:05] <kklimonda> yeah, I got sound too - but now rhythmbox is using 33% of my cpu
[17:05] <kklimonda> and makes X use other 33%
[17:05] <jemark> kklimonda, yes, me too! :(
[17:06] <jemark> sound but heavy cpu load :(
[17:07] <kklimonda> it may be somehow related to the new gtk+ update
[17:07] <jemark> kklimonda, i don't like the high cpu load now
[17:09] <jemark> this this: sof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/mark/.gvfs
[17:09] <jemark>       Output information may be incomplete.
[17:09] <jemark> Terminating processes: 4535lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/mark/.gvfs
[17:09] <jemark>       Output information may be incomplete.
[17:09] <jemark> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/mark/.gvfs
[17:09] <jemark>       Output information may be incomplete.
[17:09] <jemark> .
[17:09] <jemark> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/mark/.gvfs
[17:09] <alex_mayorga> jemark: updates pulled
[17:09] <jemark>       Output information may be incomplete.
[17:09] <kklimonda> yeah, related to gtk+
[17:09] <alex_mayorga> for the record I never lost sound entirely
[17:09] <jemark> alex_mayorga, ok, do sudo alsa force-reload
[17:10] <alex_mayorga> just to faint on the speakers
[17:10] <knittl> why does my cpu not scale when load is higher than 1 or 2?
[17:10] <knittl> that seems to be the issue, normally it scales perfectly, but if load goes to high it stays where it is :-/
[17:10] <knittl> and that makes things even slower and the load higher
[17:11] <jemark> oh no
[17:11] <alex_mayorga> jemark: done, that took firefox with it, is that normal and crashed indicator-sound :(
[17:11] <jemark> i will reboot to make sure
[17:11] <knittl> alex_mayorga: yep, that happened here too
[17:11] <jemark> alex_mayorga, does the sound work now?
[17:11] <h00k> The new GDM is beautiful.
[17:12] <knittl> now start alsamixer and set your volume
[17:12] <jemark> yep
[17:12] <knittl> h00k: new gdm? how new?
[17:12] <h00k> knittl: new as in the userlist is now movable
[17:12] <alex_mayorga> jemark: let me log-off/on just in case
[17:12] <h00k> and it looks a little different
[17:12] <knittl> hm, haven't seen it then, yet
[17:13] <h00k> knittl: I just restarted, it's pretty slick.
[17:13] <knittl> ok, i'll do that tomorrow :D
[17:17] <alex_mayorga> still no/faint sound from the laptop speakers
[17:17] <knittl> alex_mayorga: have you started alsamixer?
[17:17] <alex_mayorga> knittl: I restarted, FWIW
[17:18] <knittl> alex_mayorga: ok, then it's a sign pulse is resetting speaker volume again
[17:18] <knittl> start alsamixer
[17:18] <knittl> you will see speaker volume set to 0
[17:18] <alex_mayorga> knittl: on a terminal
[17:18] <alex_mayorga> I see Maste is 0
[17:19] <knittl> ok master is the volume controlled by volume keys
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> If I move it up, I can hear sound from the speakers
[17:20] <jemark> knittl, still high cpu load after reboot and rhythmbox
[17:20] <knittl> jemark: i don't have much higher cpu usage than usual
[17:20] <knittl> and my usage comes from virtualbox i guess
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> knittl: do I crank Mater all the way to 100?
[17:20] <jemark> knittl, but you had a high cpu usage right after it?
[17:21] <knittl> master is the normal volume
[17:21] <knittl> jemark: no, basically the same
[17:21] <jemark> strange
[17:22] <knittl> it's ~10 %
[17:22] <jemark> 30 here
[17:22] <knittl> but that's for days now
[17:22] <jemark> i see
[17:23] <jemark> i will open de dvb-t (me-tv)
[17:23] <alex_mayorga> knittl: so I'll need to up Master on alsamixer on every reboot
[17:24] <knittl> alex_mayorga: maybe
[17:24] <alex_mayorga> knittl: thanks, at least there's sound now
[17:24] <alex_mayorga> does anyone know the bug for this?
[17:24] <jemark> i disabled some plugin and now the cpu is 4
[17:26] <jemark> and xorg is 1%
[17:26] <jemark> knittl, so solved ;)
[17:26] <kklimonda> jemark: what plugin?
[17:27] <jemark> kklimonda, all
[17:27] <knittl> hm ok
[17:27] <knittl> i don't have any plugins
[17:27] <knittl> wait … that's strange
[17:27] <knittl> there should be
[17:27] <jemark> yes
[17:27] <knittl> oh
[17:27] <knittl> crap
[17:27] <knittl> no scrobbles since yesterday
[17:27] <kklimonda> jemark: rhythmbox plugins?
[17:28] <knittl> what happened to my plugins? oO
[17:28] <jemark> i suppose virtualisation?
[17:28] <jemark> im happy the sound is back
[17:28] <kklimonda> jemark: didn't help here
[17:28] <knittl> virtualisation? wth?
[17:29] <kklimonda> it's probably a gtk+ issue - devs are working on it already
[17:30] <knittl> ok
[17:30] <knittl> just wondering :)
[17:32] <jemark> kklimonda, well my cpu is only 4% now with rhytmbox ;)
[17:33] <jemark> oh no! it's again 33%
[17:34] <alex_mayorga> talking about rhytmbox, are other last.fm like streaming services that work
[17:34] <jemark> sorry guys
[17:35] <kklimonda> jemark: it drops to normal value if you close window to the tray
[17:35] <jemark> kklimonda, i will check that now
[17:36] <knittl> i don't have rhythmbox in tray since yesterday
[17:36] <jemark> kklimonda, yes!
[17:36] <jemark> kklimonda, thanks
[17:36] <knittl> related to missing plugins?
[17:36] <jemark> 5% now
[17:36] <jemark> no
[17:37] <jemark> kklimonda, not related to plugins after all
[17:37] <kklimonda> knittl: Status Icon plugin is responsible for displaying it
[17:37] <kklimonda> knittl: but it has been ported over to the indicator-application some time ago
[17:37] <knittl> kklimonda: ok, where do i get it if it's missing?
[17:37] <knittl> i don't have any plugins in my list
[17:37] <kklimonda> so make sure you have it added to your applet
[17:37] <kklimonda> knittl: hmm..
[17:37] <knittl> "scrobbling" for nothing …
[17:38] <jemark> still wondering why the cpu is so high when I open rhythmbox (not playing in the tray)
[17:38] <kklimonda> knittl: you have rhythmbox-plugins installed?
[17:39] <om26er> bye ubottu
[17:39] <knittl> kklimonda: dunno, but i should have
[17:39] <knittl> i did not uninstall them
[17:39] <knittl> didn't know there was a package for that …
[17:40] <zniavre> something went wrong with window decorations no ?
[17:40] <knittl> State: not installed
[17:40] <knittl> k, there's the problem
[17:42] <kklimonda> zniavre: maybe - we got a new gtk+ with client-side-decorations patches
[17:42] <knittl> strange, why were my plugins missing?
[17:43] <zniavre> the gdm logon window get decoration and you can move this login window
[17:43] <zniavre> i guess it's not "normal" behaviour
[17:44] <zniavre> and my xorg eating 75% cpu
[17:44] <knittl> ok, now rhythmbox eats cpu too
[17:44] <zniavre> mmm we updated too early ...
[17:51] <razertek> i just upgraded to alpha 3 from karmic 64...didnt stop to think when i was installing new raedon drivers from ati =/ now i can not load x how do i remove and refressh my xorg.xonf or whatever...revert back?
[17:54] <ZykoticK9> I thought Alpha 3 was suppose to be released in 7 days?
[17:58] <kklimonda> it is
[18:02] <Zer> Howdy. I've noticed since upgrading to 10.04 that there's a little textbox that just arbitrarily pops up here and there and takes text in, but seems to do nothing. There's no real pattern to it. Is it some accessibility feature I am accidentally triggering or what?
[18:02] <BUGabundo_remote> why do ppl come here report probs with very little detail, and leave after 2 min ?
[18:02] <BUGabundo_remote> Zer: never seen it
[18:02] <BUGabundo_remote> what DE ?
[18:03] <Zer> DE?
[18:03] <Zer> If you mean environment, Gnome
[18:04] <Zer> It's just a tiny textbox, about an inch wide. And it pops up and gets in the way of my normal typing and screws up focus, but otherwise has no function I can see
[18:04] <BUGabundo_remote> ok
[18:04] <Ian_Corne> Zer: that's a very primitive keylogger :p
[18:05] <Zer> hehehe
[18:05] <Zer> Really. Ubuntu 10.04 with built in keylogging eh ? :)
[18:05] <Ian_Corne> yeah!
[18:05] <Ian_Corne> extra flavors
[18:05] <Zer> Finally getting ahead of the commercial environments
[18:05] <Ian_Corne> :p
[18:05] <Zer> They won't be doing that for three or four years now :)
[18:06] <razertek> i wasnt thinking and downloaded the drivers from ati...when i know they are prerelease in alpha3 and broke my x...how do i revert back
[18:06] <JoshuaL> uninstall them?
[18:06] <razertek> yes
[18:07] <razertek> i do not want to have to reinstall karmic then upgrade to lucid alpha 3 again
[18:07] <JoshuaL> uninstall the ati drivers and reconfigure x?
[18:08] <razertek> what is the reconfigure syntax for lucid?
[18:10] <razertek> !google reconfigure x syntax for lucid
[18:10] <JoshuaL> dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[18:10] <JoshuaL> iirc
[18:11] <razertek> in this case the package name would be? xorg-driver-fglrx or xserver-xorg-core?
[18:11] <razertek> or just X?
[18:12] <JoshuaL> you can try the xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:12] <razertek> joshuaL,thanks...will give it a shot
[18:13] <g0rilla> anyone able to assist?
[18:14] <g0rilla> lucid alpha2 suffering no sound? no resolution so far?
[18:14] <g0rilla> purged alsa & pulseaudio & reinstalled
[18:14] <g0rilla> pkill no help
[18:15] <g0rilla> all levels AOK just no output from speakers
[18:15] <knittl> g0rilla: wait for updates
[18:15] <ZykoticK9> g0rilla, has the sound ever worked?  or did this just start happening?
[18:15] <knittl> or have a look in alsamixer
[18:15] <g0rilla> worked fine, happened since update
[18:16] <g0rilla> alamixer no go, checked all outputs ok
[18:16] <g0rilla> its mythed me so far
[18:16] <knittl> g0rilla: /topic
[18:16] <knittl> wait for updates
[18:16] <ZykoticK9> g0rilla, lol - i reinstalled cause i lost sound and couldn't fix it :(...   My luck with Lucid finally ran out.
[18:16] <knittl> it's already fixed
[18:17] <g0rilla> knittl, u sure??
[18:17] <g0rilla> patience will be a virtue on this one then
[18:18]  * rye updates to the latest packages, pulseaudio is among them.... will see whether I can hear after the updates.
[18:18] <knittl> yep i'm sure, i installed the updates, and sound is working again (apart from a few alsamixer glitches)
[18:31] <Andre_Gondim> my last update crash my search engine on  firefox
[18:33] <alex_mayorga> Andre_Gondim: read the topic, and update again
[18:33] <Andre_Gondim> alex_mayorga, many thanks
[18:45] <ripps> I don't understand, if backporting linux 2.6.33 drm to 2.6.32 is so difficult, why doesn't ubuntu pull 2.6.33 entirely? It must be much easier than the headache of picking and choosing patches.
[18:46] <alex_mayorga> ripps: I agree
[18:46] <Oli``> 2.6.33 would be so much better. Especially for SSD users (.33 has finally ATA TRIM support)
[18:46] <ali1234> i wonder if they will backport the HDA fixes too... my sound is unusable without them
[18:48] <rye> alsamixer
[18:48] <rye> ALSA lib conf.c:3272:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[18:48] <rye> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so: No such file or directory
[18:48] <rye> hm... :)
[18:48] <Hellmark[S10e]> is there any way to downgrade from lucid to karmic?
[18:50] <rye> I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[18:50] <rye> I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM hw:0
[18:51] <arand> !downgrade | Hellmark[S10e]
[18:51] <rye> it looks like someone stole module so that's why sound is broken
[18:51] <arand> Hellmark[S10e]: Even more so from lucid :/
[18:51] <kklimonda> rye: wait for an update - it's a known issue
[18:51] <rye> kklimonda, do you have the bugreport #?
[18:51]  * rye forgot that he can search launchpad...
[18:52] <DanaG> aargh, is it a FEATURE that nm-applet sends notifications of "Wired Network" disconnected.. instead of saying WHAT network?
[18:52] <rye> YAHOO SEARCH? o_O
[18:52] <kklimonda> rye: the main report that this bug is related to is bug 523716
[18:52] <DanaG> On connect notification, it says "Auto eth0" connected, or "auto usb0"
[18:53] <DanaG> disconnect: just
[18:53] <Hellmark[S10e]> arand, damn
[18:53] <DanaG> "Wired Network"
[18:53] <Hellmark[S10e]> because lucid broke my system.
[18:53] <DanaG> argh!
[18:53] <rye> Hellmark[S10e], how did it break?
[18:54] <Hellmark[S10e]> rye, fire up KDE, and after a few minutes, 10 at the most, it stops accepting all input from keyboard and mouse.
[18:54]  * Blues-Man hi all
[18:54] <Andre_Gondim> my gwibber don't display any update from twitter and identi.ca either
[18:55] <Hellmark[S10e]> apps are still running, network connections appear to be maintained
[18:55] <arand> rye: making the browser search worse will make ubuntu better ;D
[18:55] <rye> Andre_Gondim, it does not display the notifications or there is nothing in the main window?
[18:55] <Andre_Gondim> rye, no display nothing in the main windows
[18:55] <rye> Hellmark[S10e], grr... need to persuade my wife to upgrade to Lucid to test. She's devoted KDE user...
[18:56] <tenpenny> hi
[18:56] <tenpenny> 9.10 vs 10.04 any performance improvement ?
[18:56] <rye> Andre_Gondim, you might want to run PPA version, that's where fixes are being appied
[18:57] <Andre_Gondim> rye, do you know the gwibber ppa to tell me?
[18:57] <rye> Andre_Gondim, https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa
[18:57] <Andre_Gondim> many thanks rye
[18:57] <arand> tenpenny: boot should be seeing considerable improvements at least..
[18:58] <tenpenny> arand: nice
[18:58] <tenpenny> arand: and base architecture ?
[18:58] <Hellmark[S10e]> rye, I take it that you don't want a happy household?
[18:58] <arand> tenpenny: I do not know.
[18:58] <tenpenny> arand: ok
[19:00] <g0rilla> i love ubuuuuuuuuuuuntu!
[19:00] <Hellmark[S10e]> g0rilla, that's good for you
[19:01] <g0rilla> problem arises and suddenly people from all over the world come together to fix it
[19:02] <g0rilla> if only everything worked like that!
[19:02] <knittl> i love u…buntu
[19:06] <tenpenny> i have tried to change priority for an app, and it seems like it is taking forever to implement
[19:06] <rye> tenpenny,underlying architecture for boot process now resembles architecture and not the set of scripts simply tied together with a duct tape, so yes, there are changes...
[19:07] <tenpenny> infact gdm is unresponsive
[19:08] <rye> tenpenny, you mean that it does not react to mouse and keyboard?
[19:08] <tenpenny> rye: all windows are colorless
[19:08] <rye> tenpenny, does it allow you to switch to VT ?
[19:09] <rye> * other vt
[19:09] <tenpenny> rye: what m i suppose to kill now ? system-monitor ?
[19:10] <Andre_Gondim> my empathy don't connect with msn, just gtalk, does any one knows about it?
[19:10] <rye> tenpenny, i don't think I follow you - the window are colorless on boot? What exactly colorless mean in this context?
[19:11] <tenpenny> rye: tried to change priority for an app by clicking and selecting the app from system-montor
[19:12] <tenpenny> rye: system-monitor window and other application windows are all white
[19:12] <tenpenny> rye: means i cann't see n e thing but can see the container "rectangeles"
[19:13] <rye> tenpenny, that basically means that the apps hanged and do not repaint their windows
[19:13] <tenpenny> rye: yes
[19:13] <rye> just updated the priority via system monitor, looks like it worked
[19:13] <rye> tenpenny, what app you were trying to 'nice' ?
[19:13] <tenpenny> rye: vbox
[19:14] <rye> tenpenny, are you sure it happened right when you updated the nice value of vbox?
[19:14] <tenpenny> rye: what need to be done to repaint all windows ?
[19:14] <tenpenny> rye: yes
[19:16] <rye> tenpenny, xrefresh is the app, but I don't think it would help. Are you able to start processes via gnome run, i.e. Alt+F2, etc?
[19:18] <tenpenny> rye: i can alt+f7 and see white rectangle
[19:18] <rye> tenpenny, ah, you are running compiz, right ?
[19:19] <tenpenny> rye: compiz yes
[19:19] <tenpenny> rye: shall i kill compiz ?
[19:19] <rye> tenpenny, i believe you can do alt+f2 and blindly type gnome-terminal and another white rectangle will pop-up, could you please try this ?
[19:20] <tenpenny> rye: mouse icon is changed to processing state and everything is unselectable
[19:21] <rye> tenpenny, you may try killing compiz, but in my case metacity did not overtake the window management
[19:22] <tenpenny> rye: lemme try
[19:23] <rye> heh, the bug 523716 is still goes on
[19:23] <rye> i.e. it is still not fixed
[19:25] <rye> hm, my xchat became slow after restart
[19:25] <jemark> sound works here
[19:26] <rye> xchat - stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2057, ...}) = 0 - keeps statting the file
[19:26] <rye> jemark, yep, until you upgrade :)
[19:26] <jemark> i did
[19:26] <g0rilla> still no sound with new updates
[19:26] <tenpenny> rye: thanks got it
[19:27] <jemark> i've updated
[19:27] <tenpenny> rye: gnome-system-monitor was stuck. killing it solved problem
[19:27] <rye> jemark, are you using the official archive or the mirror?
[19:27] <jemark> to the latest updates, then it works again after alsamixes and put everything 100%
[19:27] <jemark> main
[19:28] <rye> tenpenny, ah, ok then.
[19:28] <jemark> official main repo
[19:28] <rye> jemark, hm, ok, let me switch...
[19:28] <jemark> pl
[19:28] <jemark> ok
[19:28] <tenpenny> ok thx, bye
[19:28] <jemark> bye
[19:29] <rye> jemark, thanks
[19:29] <jemark> it works now?
[19:30] <jemark> yw
[19:30] <rye> jemark, switching...
[19:30] <jemark> ok, let me know
[19:30] <jemark> i had the same issue a few hours ago
[19:30] <rye> i wonder what broke xchat now, it is furiously stat()ing /etc/localtime...
[19:30] <jemark> strange
[19:30] <g0rilla> running main repo, all alsamixer levels at 100%, why-oh why is my sound no working
[19:31] <robin0800> what's wrong with sound today?
[19:31] <jemark> i use xchat-gnome
[19:32] <jemark> g0rilla, do sudo alsa force-reload
[19:33] <g0rilla> all kindsa warnings
[19:33] <g0rilla> wait a min sound indicator suddenly muted
[19:35] <rye> g0rilla, alsamixer -c0
[19:36] <g0rilla> levels are fine but indicator still showing muted
[19:36] <rye> g0rilla, are you sure that the underlying alsa device is not muted?
[19:37] <jemark> rye, sound is working again?
[19:38] <rye> jemark, yes, it does but indicator applet for sound shows 3 different main sound levels
[19:38] <g0rilla> i swear on my lil pinkie
[19:39] <jemark> rye, what do u mean? 3 level in one applet?
[19:39] <g0rilla> this is wierd ,indicator shows muted, but preferences showing not muted volume 100%
[19:39] <rye> jemark, yes, and every has its own 'Sound Preferences'
[19:39] <ZykoticK9> songbird-daily PPA doesn't seem to provide songbird?  Software Sources lists the PPA, but "apt-cache search songbird" is only showing pidgin-musictracker.  I have run "sudo apt-get update" after adding PPA.  Installing Skyzim's DEB suggested in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird seems to work fine.  Anyone successfully using the songbird-daily under Lucid?
[19:40] <jemark> try to run paman
[19:40] <robin0800> rye can't un mute sound from laptop button although software says it works hence no sound
[19:40] <g0rilla> paman
[19:40] <rye> i guess applet needs to be restarted
[19:41] <jemark> reboot to make sure ;)
[19:42] <rye> jemark, heeey, no reboots until it is completely broken  :)
[19:42] <rye> jemark, ok, removal and re-add of indicator applet service fixed duplicating volume meters
[19:42] <jemark> :)
[19:43] <jemark> how did u add it actually? ;)
[19:43] <rye> jemark, volume control is now indicator, so I had to remove and re-add indicator-applet
[19:43] <rye> to the panel
[19:44] <jemark> gnome-volume-control-applet
[19:44] <rye> jemark, nope, it is no longer an applet
[19:44] <jemark> indicator applet...
[19:45] <g0rilla> no success after reboot, alsa force-reload gives "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/g0rilla/.gvfs
[19:45] <g0rilla> "
[19:45] <jemark> which command is it? i've added it with gnome-volume-control-applet
[19:47] <rye> jemark, you just need to have indicator applet on your panel, the same that shows the message count for evolution, xchat IRC messages (w/ xchat-indicator), etc
[19:47] <jemark> indicator-sound??
[19:47] <jemark> but doesn't show the sound
[19:48] <rye> jemark, ok, do you have the envelope icon in your panel?
[19:48] <jemark> yep
[19:48] <robin0800> rye still cant get my mute button off it comes on somtime during boot
[19:48] <rye> jemark, then you will have the indicator applet for the sound
[19:49] <jemark> yep
[19:49] <g0rilla> i'm all alone, there's noone listening to me!!! lol
[19:49] <jemark> rye, i have this one :gnome-volume-control-applet
[19:50] <robin0800> g0rilla: I have the same problem as you its something that got changed today
[19:50] <rye> robin0800, i believe for the sound issue we will need to wait a day or two, however I am not really sure I am following you
[19:50] <rye> robin0800, not all mirrors are updated at the same time
[19:51] <robin0800> rye: there's been changes twice today at least
[19:56] <DanaG> hmm
[19:57] <g0rilla> so to get this straight in my head
[19:57] <g0rilla> for some people sound is now working
[19:57] <g0rilla> but for my setup is not
[19:57] <g0rilla> best approach is give up and try again in few days
[19:57] <g0rilla> yay or nay?
[19:59] <jemark> try paman
[20:00] <DanaG> I think I may have figured out why my readahead was aborting:
[20:00] <DanaG> My Pictures dir is a symlink to my ntfs partition.... and my wallpaper comes from that place.
[20:00] <DanaG> It seems ureadahead doesn't like symlinks, perhaps?
[20:01] <jemark> g0rilla, i will be back soon, sound should be ok for you later
[20:11] <razertek> hi
[20:12] <rye> ok, I guess I need to restart xchat - it just eats all my cpu
[20:12] <razertek> anyone know how to revert back after downloading and installing the new ati drivers...i wasnt thinking when i put them on here that the new alpha 3 would have a prerelease
[20:14] <DanaG> razertek: depends how you installed the official ones.
[20:14] <rye> no, xchat is definitely broken
[20:14] <DanaG> oh, and IS there a new prerelease catalyst?
[20:14] <razertek> DanaG: i downloaded the run file and ran it after a chmod using ./
[20:15] <DanaG> Ah, note for future reference: do ati-driver-installer.sh --buildpkg Ubuntu/karmic, or such.
[20:16] <DanaG> It'll build packages.
[20:16] <DanaG> Anyway, for now, I believe the uninstaller may be in /etc/ati.
[20:16] <stdisease> When updating the apt database do I always have to fetch the whole thing?
[20:16] <stdisease> DanaG, if it uninstalls cleanly it's worth a shot
[20:17] <stdisease> Next on my todo
[20:17] <razertek> DanaG: where is the installer.sh at?
[20:20] <DanaG> er, the installer is the thing you downloaded and ran; that's for future reference.
[20:20] <DanaG> the UNinstaller.. is likely in /etc/ati or /etc/amd
[20:24] <razertek> DanaG: no luck =/
[20:24] <DanaG> hmm, maybe /usr/share/ati ?
[20:25] <stdisease> look maybe under /opt or /usr/local or or
[20:25] <razertek> DanaG: they do make an installer?
[20:25] <razertek> i mean uninstaller?
[20:25] <DanaG> Yeah, I just don't remember where it is.
[20:25] <DanaG> I normally do my installs themselves, via the buildpkg thingy.
[20:26] <stdisease> It's been a while since I last used the ATI driver but I believe they do ship an uninstaller utility as well. NVIDIA surely do.
[20:26] <razertek> well i was reading on the release wiki ... about running the cmd... apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx ...did this break a lot  on my system?
[20:26] <arand> razertek: If it is called "uninstallsomething": " find / 2>/dev/null | grep uninstall "
[20:26] <DanaG> nvidia's installer is their uninstaller.
[20:27] <razertek> arand: k ty
[20:28] <rabbi1> can't wait for lucid, shld i try the beta version ?
[20:29] <ZykoticK9> rabbi1, if you're comfortable with breakages (check Topic right now for some examples) and/or want to report Bugs to help out.
[20:30] <rabbi1> ZykoticK9: thx. but already if i am caught in LAMP and other stuffs, figuring all this out ;)
[20:31] <rabbi1> ZykoticK9: i have AMD64 nVidia in built, i took lot of time solving my resolution issue itself, and finally it was a simple conf job to do.
[20:38] <bjsnider> rabbi1, you're caught in a lamp? that sounds painful
[20:39] <rabbi1> bjsnider: ;) i don mind, learning a lot as new user
[20:40] <rabbi1> actually this is 7th time i am installing AMP
[20:50] <Crashbit> crashbit@m1330:~$ grep \(EE\) /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[20:50] <Crashbit> (EE) [drm] failed to open device
[20:50] <Crashbit> (EE) No devices detected.
[20:50] <Crashbit> mm
[20:51] <Crashbit> crashbit@m1330:~$ cat /proc/fb
[20:51] <Crashbit> 0 nouveaufb
[20:51] <Crashbit> ups, sorry
[20:52] <dupondje> hmm, I don't have volume button anymore in taskbar .. any idea how to get that back ? :)
[20:52] <Crashbit> mm install indicator-applet
[20:53] <Crashbit> and add the applet to a gnome-panel
[20:54] <dupondje> its installed
[20:54] <dupondje> ii  indicator-sound                            0.1.1-0ubuntu2                                 A system sound indicator.
[20:54] <dupondje> is also installed
[20:54] <dupondje> but there is nothing when I add .. :s
[20:55] <Crashbit> dupondje: indicator-applet
[20:55] <dupondje> ii  indicator-applet                           0.3.2-0ubuntu3                                 GNOME panel indicator applet
[20:55] <dupondje> is also installed ... :)
[20:56] <Crashbit> ok, add indicator-applet to gnome-panel
[20:57] <dupondje> hmz ok :p
[20:57] <dupondje> found it now
[20:57] <dupondje> thx Crashbit
[20:58] <DanaG> mm: command not found
[20:58] <DanaG> =þ
[20:58] <DanaG> Joking, of course.
[21:02] <Crashbit> DanaG: :)
[21:05] <g0rilla> quick question?
[21:05] <g0rilla> i'm having sound issues, topic mentions new pulseaudio & alsa plugins
[21:05] <dupondje> so ?:)
[21:06] <g0rilla> is it strange that i don't have alsa-plugins
[21:06] <dupondje> no, don't have it neither :D
[21:06] <JoshuaL> g0rilla, wait for updates?
[21:06] <g0rilla> yes josh, soz, just impatient
[21:08] <dupondje> why do we use alpha versions :) yep because we are impatient for new versions :D
[21:29] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:29] <BUGabundo> so no sound yet?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> :p
[21:31] <stdisease> Alsamixer is working for me again, after latest updates
[21:33] <Crashbit> mm nouveau not working for me
[21:34] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: wfm
[21:34] <BUGabundo> just kills GDM
[21:39] <RAOF> That's not a ringing endorsement!
[21:41] <BUGabundo> RAOF: for that last two days I've been like this
[21:41] <BUGabundo> boots ok, but once on GDM, I get horizontal green bars
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I stop GDM, and some how it just autologins
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I _think_ there are *two* GDMs starting or something
[21:45] <stdisease> Im having strange behaviors with gdm as well
[21:46] <BUGabundo> not the kind it freezes on Enter, righrt?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> cause that one is well known
[21:47] <stdisease> nope on startups and service manipulations
[21:56] <ni1s> hey all
[21:56] <stdisease> ni1s, although in my case I pressed the 'Update installer' button at the beginning of the install
[21:58] <ni1s> stdisease, oooooohh, I though it meant "... to use this language"
[21:58] <ni1s> silly me
[21:59] <stdisease> aah
[22:02] <ni1s> Is there a way to start the "alternative" installer on the Live iso?
[22:10] <Machtin> resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf must be a symlink <- i deleted that link.. could anyone tell me where it's supposed to point or how to create it?
[22:14] <Machtin> oh, i think i know - except it's not /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[22:16] <cjohnston> Anyone else have sound die with todays upgrade?
[22:43] <dupondje> is there a way to make a list of files on a system that arent provided by any package ?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> nice page https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/powerpc/hardware-supported.html
[22:55] <rr72> hey guys, i need some help, when I upgrade i get an error aobut sbin/ldconfig.real: File /usr/lib/libgweather.so.1 is empty
[22:56] <rr72> i have no where to start looking for what it means, google doesn't come up with much
[22:56] <BUGabundo> rr72: prob corrupt install
[22:57] <BUGabundo> debsum should help you out
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and then reinstall the offending package
[22:57] <rr72> how do i know what the offending pacakge is? that's my question
[22:58] <rr72> how do i reinstall a package w/o having to uninstall all the deps?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> rr72: debsum will complain
[22:59] <alkisg> I have 2 keyboard layouts (us/gr). When I login with an English interface, I can see a language indicator in the panel. When I login with Greek UI, I can see an empty space in that place. Which package is that, so that I can seach why the icon is missing with the Greek UI?
[23:00] <rr72> /sbin/ldconfig.real: File /usr/lib/libgweather.so.1 is empty, not checked.
[23:01] <rr72> BUGabundo~ what is debsum?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> !info debsum
[23:05] <cef> anyone got a suggestion for getting past Bug #514012 when upgrading from karmic to lucid (server, no X)?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> !info debsums
[23:10] <BUGabundo> do I need to kick the bot again?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> blu
[23:10] <BUGabundo> rr72: ^^^^
[23:22] <alkisg> Ah, got it, "gnome-settings-daemon".
[23:22] <alkisg> Apparently it isn't utf-8 aware for the layout names
[23:37] <ripps> Is there a program to find out which packages are taking up the most disk space?
[23:45] <arand> ripps: pick and choose: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3842/list-your-largest-installed-packages-on-debianubuntu
[23:48] <ppine> Still no sound after the updates :(
[23:49] <ripps> arand: awesome, thanks
[23:51] <robin0800> ppine: nor me join the club
[23:53] <ppine> robin0800: some people did get it working.
[23:53] <ppine> What, now Evolution also isnt working anymore :(
[23:53] <ppine> ** (evolution:1919): DEBUG: Number of email accounts: 1
[23:53] <ppine> ** (evolution:1919): DEBUG: EI: SHELL STARTUP
[23:53] <ppine> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:53] <RAOF> Yeah, everything that adds an indicator to indicator applet will crash at the moment.
[23:53] <robin0800> ppine: how?
[23:55] <ppine> dont now, i just rebooted and now evolution is not working anymore.
[23:57] <ppine> major let downs, i understand its a development release and all but ey.
[23:57] <cef> Any ideas on how to get past Bug #514012 when upgrading from karmic to lucid (server, no X)? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
[23:58] <o_portista17> does anyone with lucid and ati, has problems with the screen/xorg ?
[23:59] <robin0800> any one know how to get sound working today?
[23:59] <hemant> Hi, I upgraded today to lucid lynx on my macbook pro
[23:59] <hemant> since the upgrade I am not able to use my keyboard on the login screen.
[23:59] <hemant> I am also not able to use my extended monitor.