=== maxb_ is now known as maxb [00:11] any uploaders around? [00:36] dobey: What needs uploading? [00:36] Is this the right channel for totem/gstreamer in Ubuntu? [00:37] I'm wondering if anyone working in those areas tests DVD playback [00:39] maxb: I think those who maintain such packages are not around currently. [00:41] dobey: To be more clear, I can upload whatever you need uploading. [00:43] Am I at least in the right channel that suitable people might be around at the right time of day? :-) [00:48] maxb: yup [00:56] /c/c [01:26] bah, i can't upload gnome-user-share any more [01:32] hey rickspencer3 [01:32] hi kenvandine [01:45] woah ff is well and truly broken for me [01:48] FF as in firefox? [01:49] feature notabug? [01:49] ;) [02:19] TheMuso`, yeah [02:20] asac, is just made of awesome [02:20] he's already uploaded what he thinks will fix it [02:22] well. awesomely failed ;) [02:22] so now fixing the dirt ;) [02:30] robert_ancell, you about? [02:30] asac, thanks for the fix! [02:30] I hope you get some sleep now! [02:30] ttyt [02:31] sure about to do that ;) [02:31] can sleep much better that way [02:48] rickspencer3, hey [02:48] how's it going robert_ancell? [02:48] rickspencer3, good [02:48] someone in #ubuntu-app-devel was asking about how to lay out files for a game [02:48] seemed like you would be up, and would have an opinion [02:49] it was gingerheadman [02:49] when? not seeing it in the log [02:49] this is "app-devel", not "devel" [02:49] oh [02:49] didn't know about that one! [02:49] it's new [02:49] if you wouldn't mind, and you have like 3 minutes [02:49] maybe you could help him out [02:49] np [02:50] thanks robert_ancell [02:50] * robert_ancell reading log.. [02:55] TheMuso`: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/trunk/+merge/19552 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+merge/19557 [02:56] dobey: I'll take a look. [02:57] dobey: Do they need uploading in a particular order? [03:03] dobey: also the package gives a Vcs-Bzr pointer to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntuone-client/trunk. Should I be using that branch in any way shape or form? [03:04] robert_ancell, the Gwibber posting UI just rocks! [03:04] oops, I guess I meant that for kenvandine ;) [03:04] kenvandine, jono wants to marry simple scan [03:05] haha [03:06] rickspencer3, what is the process required to make an application "featured"? [03:07] I don't feel comfortable uploading/merging these unless there is a documented procedure for these ubuntuone packages somewhere. Merging from a personal branch seems weird considering the packaging points to the ubuntuone-control-tower branch. [03:07] robert_ancell, I dunno yet [03:07] TheMuso`: ubuntuone-storage-protocol needs to be uploaded first [03:07] you tell me and I tell mvo ;) [03:08] robert_ancell, in all seriousness, how do you suggest we pick those apps? [03:08] TheMuso`: no, i forgot to change the Vcs-Bzr there to point to lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-blah [03:08] dobey: Ok just its just a merge review, and upload [03:08] working merge proposals for package branches is still a new thing to me :) [03:09] rickspencer3, I think we should decide how many to have and then propose new ones at desktop meeting. Once we have the max number you have to nominate one to replace [03:09] robert_ancell, I shall steel that idea [03:09] the other option was for me to pick ;) [03:10] Rick's Picks [03:10] anyway, I need to get some sleep [03:11] dobey: ok am on it. [03:14] dobey, gettting an upload! [03:14] dobey, that whole process is "so documented" [03:14] rickspencer3, inkscape! cheese! blender! frozen-bubble! [03:15] yes [03:15] dobey, best docs i found is "bzr help dh_make" [03:15] robert_ancell, quickly! photobomb! [03:15] j/k [03:15] dobey, not for merge proposals... but for the process of sucking in packages [03:15] rickspencer3, you know a small part of you isn't j/k :) [03:16] riiight [03:16] well, quickly is cool [03:16] but we should probably stick with apps in Main for them to be "featured" [03:17] :) [03:17] rickspencer3, and gui based [03:17] robert_ancell, yeah, and not for programmers :/ [03:18] rickspencer3, it would be kind of nice to have a programmers featured section, i.e. an ide, glade, ... but I guess programmers can easily look on the web [03:20] *sigh* software-center does not close with Ctrl+Q. I think I might try and tackle the Ctrl+Q/Ctrl+W message for Lucid+1 [03:20] s/message/mess [03:28] robert_ancell, I suppose that is a bug [03:28] unless mpt has decided that we should do it differently now [03:28] rickspencer3, it's a very contentious that everyone likes to argue about and not fix [03:28] contentious point [03:29] anyway, for this case, "Q" seems logical, as it is quiting an app, not closing a window [03:30] what I do is, Ctrl+Q for quit application (all applications implement this), Ctrl+W for close document (if appropriate for application). If a single document app use Ctrl+W for quit as well [03:30] I'll see if I can fix it right now [03:30] right [03:30] what does the HIG say? [03:30] in any case "W" seems wrong, as there is no document [03:31] hmm, my ff is broken now. Did that upload come asac? [03:31] ubuntuone-storage-protocol uploaded, waiting for a test build of ubuntuone-client. [03:31] robert_ancell: It was uploaded, but likely not published yet. [03:32] TheMuso`, ah, should have waiting to do my update :) [03:32] waited [03:32] man, I'm on a roll today [03:37] robert_ancell, the quit command is a stock menu item in Glade [03:37] would be more work for him to do a merge than to just do it [03:37] robert_ancell: its built on amd64 but yet to be published, building on i386. [03:39] rickspencer3, change w to q in SoftwareCenter.ui line 60 [03:39] robert_ancell, uh [03:39] I edited the glade file and changed it to quit from close [03:40] if it uses a stock item, best to just use that, right? [03:41] rickspencer3, I don't think the stock buttons carry shortcuts anymore [03:41] really? [03:41] oh snap [03:41] that sux [03:41] that sounds like a bug! [03:41] rickspencer3, I don't know why it was changed but it seems to have happened some time ago [03:41] with the menus changing etc I just assume these things are being done on purpose :) [03:42] seems silly [03:42] this doesn't encourage consistency [03:42] whatever [03:42] which is why we have _no_ consistency :) [03:42] * kenvandine wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose :/ [03:42] but i still think that is silly [03:43] robert_ancell: must be an Ubuntu improvement... stock items haven't changed upstream [03:43] I should be refactoring these quidget.prompts.filedialogs, but the tedium is driving me crazy [03:43] I love Python apps, sudoedit the installed file and it works until next upgrade [03:43] dobey: ubuntuone stuff you requested is now uploaded. [03:44] mclasen, right [03:44] TheMuso`, thx! [03:44] kenvandine: np [03:44] robert_ancell, kenvandine looks like some have 'em and some don [03:44] t [03:45] mclasen, hey, which app did you put the gdm gconf stuff in? [03:45] damn, just missed him! [03:45] no, wrong [03:46] There also doesn't seem to be a Help>Contents menu anymore which should be consistent (and F1 shortcut) [03:50] in glade you have to set an accelerator in addition to choosing the stock item [03:50] seems rather odd [03:51] but happy I figured that out [03:52] * rickspencer3 pushes code and turns out lights [03:52] g'night all [03:52] night [06:11] Well, compiz is using almost no CPU now according to bootchart [06:11] of course I've only got 5 plugins installed and loaded... [06:13] also seems to have cut 1.5 seconds off my boot [06:14] now to figure out which plugins are the problem... [06:39] <^arky^> Question about unclutter: setting START_UNCLUTTER doesn't seems to have effect in lucid? [06:47] Good morning [06:47] didrocks: upgrade> set it to "dropped" and add a comment at the bottom about the details [06:49] <^arky^> pitti: Good morning [06:53] good morning pitti [07:15] didrocks: in KVM it seems that n-l-efl wants to start up, and on the mini I get n-l, so this part works, congrats! too bad that n-l-efl crashes immediately :/ [07:33] * Amaranth is off to make more bootcharts [08:01] Hai all! [08:01] XD [08:20] good morning [08:21] pitti: oh, n-l-efl crash? [08:21] bonjour didrocks [08:21] didrocks: yes, just try to boot today's netbook daily [08:21] didrocks: ^ that built again, BTW \o/ [08:21] didrocks: (boot it on a machine without 3D, such as KVM) [08:22] didrocks: but that probably belongs into asac's domain rather [08:23] hey pitti :) [08:23] pitti: right [08:23] pitti: I'll help asac as well on setting up a dedicated n-l-efl session [08:24] (the work as already began, just need some cleaning) [08:25] I tried as well on Xephyr and on my laptop with and without the nvidia driver [08:25] didrocks: we wanted to bring back OO.o to netbook, right? would you mind updating the WIs on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-une-applications ? [08:25] pitti: ok, we will do the same for Tomboy [08:25] doing it now [08:26] oh, that too? [08:26] didrocks: then netbook is basically ubuntu + extra packages [08:26] IOW, they'll overflow [08:26] pitti: hum, we can do in two steps maybe? first add OOo and then, see the remaining space? [08:27] didrocks: *nod* [08:27] pitti: also, removing gnumeric and abiword [08:27] right [08:27] and redemote them :) [08:28] pitti: do you want me to change the seed and your pull my branch or do you want to do it directly? [08:28] didrocks: as you prefer; you can also tell me what to change [08:28] pitti: I'll try to edit the seed and push the branch somewhere [08:29] didrocks: as a matter of exercise, feel free to patch it yourself and either mail me a bzr bundle or push a branch [08:29] right :) [08:33] (hum, wiki.ubuntu.com isn't reachable) [08:37] Riddell: Kubuntu exclusively uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo/Lucid, right? currently that's only represented on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team.html, mashed with a lot of other specs, which makes it much less useful for both canonical desktop team and Kubuntu; do you want me to set up a separate report for Kubuntu? [08:37] pitti: yes that's right. and yes that would make it much easier to read [08:38] asac: finally got approval for KDE patches to firefox, care to review? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jr/firefox/firefox-3.6.head/+merge/19580 [08:42] pitti: ~didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid [08:43] $ bzr merge lp:~didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid [08:43] Nothing to do. [08:43] did you push? [08:43] hmm, nothing obvious seems to cause compiz cpu usage [08:43] pitti: right, I just pushed, let me check [08:44] when I cut it down to literally the bare essentials the cpu usage went away [08:44] Amaranth: so it's mostly spent on xml parsing, plugin loading, etc? [08:44] pitti: I guess LP hasn't scanned it yet: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid [08:44] but when I cut out animation, regex, scaleaddon, dbus, etc it only puts a dent in the CPU usage, it does not get rid of it [08:45] pitti: because I bet you don't have my last commit :) [08:45] I thought for sure it was going to be animation or regex [08:45] pitti: it may be ccp itself now that I think about it [08:46] none of the other plugins I have loaded seem like they would do all that much [08:46] except perhaps workarounds and session [08:47] I'll have to look more tomorrow [08:48] * Amaranth goes to bed [08:48] Amaranth: good night! [08:49] one fun thing I realized: we have no reason to use the animation plugin anymore [08:49] * Amaranth goes to bed for real [08:54] hehe, guess not [08:54] http://i.imgur.com/tgbPF.png <--no CPU usage! [08:55] well, a little sliver [08:55] (that's my super hacked setup) [08:57] Amaranth: have you seen the profiling patch in debian/patches (in the ubuntu compiz branch?) [08:58] yeah, it didn't seem to point to anything [08:58] keybuk also gave me some tool to use to track function call usage and time but I forgot it [08:59] I think next will be to replace compiz with a shell script that calls compiz for real with that tool so I can profile a boot [09:01] good morning everyone [09:03] hey seb128 [09:03] hey chrisccoulson [09:03] how are you? [09:03] hey chrisccoulson, good morning seb128 [09:03] hey pitti [09:03] hey pitti [09:04] chrisccoulson, I will tell you in a bit ;-) [09:04] pitti - i can't upload gnome-user-share any more :( [09:04] chrisccoulson, blocked nose and no coffee yet, let's see how it is in half an hour ;-) [09:04] hey chrisccoulson and seb128 :) [09:04] chrisccoulson, do you need some sponsoring? [09:04] lut pitti didrocks [09:04] seb128 - you definately need some coffee then ;) [09:04] seb128: welcome to the blocked nose family :-) [09:05] indeed! [09:05] argh, plague is spreading in France? [09:05] didrocks, how do you feel today? got a cold too then? [09:05] seb128: right, and some headaches in the morning, but it's better now [09:05] pitti: heh, it seems that, yeah ;) [09:05] seb128 - i put gnome-user-share in bzr, with some preliminary changes (I've added the autostart delay, and made it not possible to enable the webdav sharing checkbox when apache is not installed) [09:06] there is "freeze" in feature freeze :) [09:06] i also changed a default gconf key to enable notifications when bluetooth push is enabled and you receive a file [09:06] chrisccoulson, sounds a good start, I can upload that so we get the rebuild for langpacks too [09:06] cool, thanks [09:06] didrocks: great job on your WIs! so your only outstanding one is the upgrade, which (as discussed earlier) is sort of dropped, right? [09:07] pitti: exactly, I just changed the status and add a comment [09:07] pitti: and thanks ;) [09:09] pitti, oh, you decided to drop the upgrade one? [09:09] seb128: well, s/decided/didn't find a way to make it work/ [09:09] ideas appreciated [09:10] out of doing something hacking to update-* I've no good idea sorry [09:10] right [09:11] it would be a ton of work for only very little benefit [09:13] do we actually know what the benefit would be? (ie, i assume BG caching still works, but it does not get profiled by ureadahead) [09:17] right [09:18] ureadahead would read the large image in vain, and g-s-d needs to re-read the cache [09:20] didrocks: please only seed writer and calc; the rest pulls in too much java [09:21] didrocks: oh, impress doesn't pull in java as well? [09:21] didrocks: ok, let's try this then [09:21] didrocks: committed [09:24] pitti: impress is still needed and pulls java right. Let's see with that size and I'll have a look tomorrow at the CD size [09:24] pitti: thanks [09:50] tseliot: your two plymouth WIs on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-boot-experience: do they look realistic to land this week still? or should we move them to beta-1? [09:51] pitti, so I guess we need to decide now on gnome-keyring [09:51] who has been testing the ppa update? [09:51] i've not had a chance to try it yet [09:51] have you had any issues with it? [09:52] argh, need to do that still [09:52] just mission control failing on first run [09:52] but there is a patch in bugzilla for that I need to apply [09:52] otherwise seahorse, empathy, ssh, etc works fine [09:56] * pitti upgrades to PPA [09:59] kenvandine, can I have a minute please, gwibber 2.29.90 is showing 2.29.1 in about window. I was told to ping you instead of opening a bug report. [10:01] om26er, he's probably sleeping by now [10:02] seb128, ah. ok thanks [10:08] hello === hypera1r is now known as hyperair [10:21] seb128: just testing g-k, which seems to work with evo, empathy, and ssh [10:21] just now X keeps freezing [10:21] uninstall plymouth? [10:21] I already disabled that [10:21] I would be susprised if it was due to g-k [10:22] right [10:22] see #u-devel [10:22] how did you disable plymouth? [10:22] boot without "splash" [10:22] well, disable the graphic bits [10:22] that helps for me to get X up properly [10:30] pitti: this week? [10:30] tseliot: well, "alpha-3" is basically "this week", yes [10:30] Monday still, too [10:31] pitti: "support for 16 colours" won't make it in time for sure [10:31] tseliot: is that important? [10:31] pitti: only if you want a bootsplash with non-kms drivers [10:31] other than the text plugin [10:31] ah, for that [10:31] yep [10:32] tseliot: "new plymouht boot theme", is that artwork, or code changes? [10:32] pitti: the design team gave me the artwork but I'm changing code as the theme is a program [10:32] tseliot: right, but behaviourally it's still "artwork" [10:33] tseliot: I'm interested in how regression prone it will be [10:33] if it's just different "putPixel()" calls (on a very abstract level), that should be fine for beta-1 [10:33] pitti: it should be much simpler than it used to be [10:33] if it's "change the boot order, introduce a menu", etc., that's intrusive [10:34] pitti: with the scripting language that I'm using I'm operating on a very abstract level, as you said [10:34] i.e. no memory leaks, etc. [10:35] I'm almost done and I'll try to complete it by Monday [10:36] tseliot: ok, thanks [10:36] np [10:36] tseliot: so I'll keep the artwork for a3, and move the 16 colors to beta-1? [10:37] then we can still drop it altogether if it's considered too much work/intrusive [10:37] pitti: yes, that would be wise. But there's no need to drop it completely [10:37] beta-1 should be fine [10:37] thanks, done [10:38] thanks [10:42] re [10:43] got disconnected [10:43] pitti, did you get what I was writting about uninstalling plymouth rather than changing splash option? [10:43] seb128: no, I didn't [10:43] seb128: slangasek just pointed out bug 518352 [10:43] Launchpad bug 518352 in plymouth "[lucid] if booting without 'splash', gdm starts X on wrong vt" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518352 [10:43] pitti, that didn't fix the plymouth crashes for people there [10:43] so "nosplash" apparnetly doesn't work very well [10:43] pitti, you have to apt-get remove plymouth [10:43] don't ask why I don't know [10:43] pitti, I think without splash you still get plymouth used [10:43] but in text mode or something [10:43] right [10:44] seb128, didrocks: curious; I just tried disabling nautilus in UNE (just to see whether it's worth changing some initialization to lazy/deferred), and it seems to have no impact at all [10:45] pitti: you mean, disabling at startup time? [10:45] right [10:46] pitti: btw, from looking at the bg code and adding some debug, I noted that the "draw bg" function was called twice during the initialization [10:46] within g-s-d? or once from g-s-d and once from e. g. launcher or nautilus? [10:46] brb [10:47] pitti: not, within libgnomedesktop. I assume there is one call from g-s-d and one from nautilus, but unsure (there is always a compiz output between the two calls) [10:48] didrocks: already added ooo and tombox? please keep them !armel ;) [10:48] (as they were before) [10:48] tomboy [10:48] thanks [10:50] asac: I added OOo but didn't add it for armel [10:51] great [10:51] asac: we'll see tomorrow CD size to see if we can add tomoby on !armel :) [11:21] rebooting server, brb [11:38] pitti, so what do you think for g-k? [11:44] seb128: (1) seems to work, (2) medium risk, low benefit [11:44] but on the plus side, consistency with the rest of gnome [11:44] consistency + maintained for something which is somewhat a security component [11:44] right [11:45] + uptodate platform [11:45] which is nice on a lts [11:45] I'm leaning towards taking it [11:45] but we need to watch out for regressions [11:45] seb128: what's your feeling? [11:45] - is that upstream will be busy soon apparently, waiting a children [11:45] but current version seems to work fine [11:46] pitti, I still lend toward doing it [11:48] bah, each time I want to generate a clean bootchart, plymouth is acting up [12:20] hum [12:20] could somebody who upgraded today look to the Version in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libpulse-mainloop-glib.pc? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:25] hum, bug #523716 [12:25] Launchpad bug 523716 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio version defined as UNKNOWN" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523716 [12:25] TheMuso`, ^ [12:30] mvo: http://twitpic.com/13xftx if you have installed a repo other than a ppa it doesnt have an icon in the software center [12:31] fagan: thanks, we need nice icons :) [12:32] mvo: True but I meant that the google repo doesnt have an icon [12:33] fagan: right, I wanted to say "sort-of known issues, we do not have a icon yet for "other" repositories" [12:33] Ah ok I just thought it was a small corner case that needed addressing [12:54] fagan: yeah, we need a icon for "other", than we will add it [12:55] mvo: good [13:18] pitti, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store is still in NEW, can you help move it through? [13:18] good morning all :) [13:19] seb128, all: I just filed bug 523788 FYI; do you have the exact same symptoms? Want to confirm it? [13:19] Launchpad bug 523788 in plymouth "Only see X mouse cursor on VT during boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523788 [13:19] hey kenvandine [13:19] kenvandine: can do [13:19] thx [13:20] oh, source new? didn't I accept it yesterday? [13:20] pitti, I think you didn't no [13:20] pitti, bug confirmed [13:21] so it's not just me then? [13:21] the plymouth issue? [13:21] right [13:21] I get it 1/10 cases with standard lucid [13:21] I've not tried this week but that's exactly what I described to slangasek and Keybuk one week ago [13:21] and 100% with not starting cups [13:21] I get it 75% of the time on my d630 [13:22] kenvandine: done [13:22] seb128: same here [13:22] thx! [13:22] brb trying gtk update === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:27] re [13:27] kenvandine, csd in lucid now btw [13:27] or building rather [13:27] woot [13:27] * kenvandine hopes it doesn't explode :) [13:27] good that I tested [13:28] it made gnome-panel not start with french locale [13:28] i saw that [13:28] the same issue I had when I tried some months ago [13:28] you guys lack non english testers ;-) [13:28] bratsche was loving the french last night :) [13:28] seb128, we have you! [13:29] * kenvandine waits for the bug reports :) [13:29] lol [13:29] I've already one [13:29] i think there are still bugs [13:29] there are always bugs [13:29] nautilus icons are grey squares in dnd [13:29] i noticed last night f-spot rendering weirdness [13:53] there is an the option of sending annonymous usage statistics. [13:53] where are these stats available? i want to see em [13:53] tgpraveen12: do you mean http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ ? [13:56] pitti, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store is binary NEW, mind poking it again? [13:56] pitti, sorry to nag... they are trying to get it to a point they can get some people testing it :) [13:57] pitti: what about the information from system->admin->system testing [13:57] seb128, wow cody was up late fixing the fr_FR problem in csd [13:58] kenvandine, yeah, we crossed this morning my time and I overslept [13:58] haha [13:58]