[12:47] <elky> bot invasion complete.
[12:49] <Tm_T> nooooooooooo
[12:49]  * Tm_T hides
[12:49] <AlanBell> yay
[12:52] <AlanBell> where are the logs?
[12:52] <Tm_T> !logs
[12:52] <ubot2> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[12:52] <Tm_T> first link (:
[12:53] <AlanBell> yeah, so why isn't it there :-)
[12:53] <rww> AlanBell: it will be in 10 minutes
[12:53] <rww> irclogs.ubuntu.com updates hourly, a couple of minutes past the hour
[12:53] <AlanBell> ok
[12:59] <Tm_T> but but, AlanBell wants it now! (;)
[13:00]  * Tm_T huggles AlanBell
[13:00] <elky> AlanBell, has scrollback for now :P
[13:02] <czajkowski> AlanBell: prodcutive meeting ?
[13:03] <AlanBell> not in the least
[13:04] <czajkowski> kind of like today really :)
[14:00] <AlanBell> logs are there now
[14:00]  * Tm_T is famous now! (:)
[14:22] <czajkowski> Tm_T: not really all the other channels we;re in are logged, not a biggie
[14:25] <Pendulum> yay! logs!
[14:39] <czajkowski> Pendulum: ;)
[15:04] <Tm_T> czajkowski: I was just kidding, being in ~70 channels now this channel doesn't make me fame (:
[15:04] <czajkowski> Tm_T: your tone doesn't always come across as kidding on irc ;)
[15:05] <Tm_T> I though that smiley did, oh well
[15:05] <Tm_T> I suck at that, no matter what form of communication is used
[15:06]  * MichelleQ looks around at new room.  
[15:07] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: aloha
[15:09] <MichelleQ> hey there!
[15:10] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: fancy seeing you here :p
[15:11] <MichelleQ> I'm liking the new digs.  :D
[15:11] <MichelleQ> Glad this portion of the debate has been more or less settled.
[15:12] <czajkowski> 3.5 months later.
[15:13] <czajkowski> half way through a cycle, but yes. finally
[15:13] <czajkowski> sorry 3
[15:13] <MichelleQ> that's OK, at least it's done.
[15:13] <MichelleQ> time to move forward
[15:15] <AlanBell> yay to moving forward
[15:15] <AlanBell> now, about specific targets for membership. . .
[15:16] <AlanBell> any thoughts?
[15:17] <MichelleQ> ... women?
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: any women in ubuntu that are not members, I'm trying to encourage them to join
[15:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not many in ireland YET tbh. so looking elsewhere
[15:18] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: ...yes
[15:18] <MichelleQ> I've been working with my loco to increase spouse involvement.
[15:18] <AlanBell> czajkowski: you are doing great
[15:18] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: that seems to be very USA based, it's nice idea.
[15:19] <MichelleQ> oh, it's essentially just Florida targeted- my local area
[15:19] <czajkowski> but I want to focus on getting more women i technology areas help and offer assistance and if they have questions help
[15:19] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: seen a good few usa teams encourage their partners to join. nice idea.
[15:19] <MichelleQ> we
[15:19] <MichelleQ> ve added 8-10 women who regularly participate.  It's been good
[15:20] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: are they end users of Ubuntu ?
[15:20] <MichelleQ> about 75% yes
[15:20] <MichelleQ> at least to some degree
[15:24] <MichelleQ> have we considered having an actual booth at conferences like SCaLE?
[15:25] <czajkowski> an Ubuntu women specific ?
[15:26] <MichelleQ> yeah... It might be a good way to just meet people, make our presence known, you know?
[15:27] <czajkowski> aye, it'd be nice. if we had women in those areas. I can see it working well in USA. ye have more conferences than in EU and more women who come along and help
[15:27] <Pendulum> yeah, I think it's a good long-term thing
[15:27] <czajkowski> at FOSDEM there was an Ubuntu booth. I popped in where I could. but there was no way you could have had an ubuntu woman booth tbh
[15:29] <MichelleQ> might be something to consider in the future.  I know I'd be happy to man a UW booth when I'm at a conference.
[15:29] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: aye as I said, it'd work out well in USA tbh.
[15:30] <MichelleQ> was just a thought.
[15:31] <czajkowski> aye good idea.
[15:31] <czajkowski> there are more families and women in usa. at my loco event., there are 2 women, me and 1 other.
[15:32] <MichelleQ> our loco was like that, here in Florida.  When I joined, I was the only active woman.
[15:33] <MichelleQ> that was most of the reason I set out to make our loco family friendly - to make moms, wives, kids welcome
[15:33] <MichelleQ> I'm not sure what sort of strengths we might find in the EU that we can use to our advantage.
[15:34] <czajkowski> yeah we tried that. but some of the women were just not interested and didnt want to be involved. We don't want them to be there just fo rthe sake of it either. a lot of the time we want to talk about Ubuntu, uses, and they're not interested. so having them along means we try and have to have conversations we're not pushed with
[15:34] <czajkowski> could be just my loco .
[15:35] <czajkowski> we got them along to a geeknick. but I felt I had to go over and talk about kids and and stuff, and leave the techie talk conversations to go and be polite tbh. Not really what I'd want from a meet up.
[15:36] <MichelleQ> czajkowski: see, that's my role in our loco, and one I'm comfortable in.
[15:36] <czajkowski> aye
[15:36] <czajkowski> that's nice.
[15:36] <MichelleQ> it works well for me, but I can understand where it wouldn't for everyone
[15:37] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: aye that's true.
[15:37] <MichelleQ> what sort of areas do you think we should look at in the EU, czajkowski?
[15:38] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: I'd love to have more women along I would really. But I want to discuss other it stuff with them same as I would with anyone else who comes along
[15:38] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: what do you mean?
[15:39] <MichelleQ> here, we have the advantage in size, and things like conferences.
[15:39] <MichelleQ> Is there a plethora of IT clubs, or unions, etc?
[15:39] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: an example would be I went to fosdem and went to the talks., I went to the womaz meet up. only about 20 women turned up which was just under half of what was there. Somtimes women don't want to be involved in areas other than tech
[15:40] <MichelleQ> Can we start, for instance, advertising at some of the colleges?
[15:41] <MichelleQ> Just a simple flyer on a bulletin board at the womens dorms?  or in the tech wings?
[15:41] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: yup I do try
[15:41] <czajkowski> I when I can mention at talks and will do when I give them to 2 colleges here. most will join the -ie loco few if any will join -women.
[15:42] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: let me ask a different question
[15:42] <Pendulum> czajkowski: what about the girls' high schools?
[15:42] <MichelleQ> sure
[15:42] <Pendulum> do any of them have any sort of IT/CS/tech courses that might be worth talking to?
[15:43] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: what would you like to see from more women joining from your area/usa/world into ubuntu women project?
[15:43] <czajkowski> is it to meet one another, engage in projects?  or mentor ?
[15:43] <hypa7ia> if they aren't feeling the need to join -women, but are joining their loco, that's seems like a good thing to me :)
[15:43] <MichelleQ> czajkowski: a little of all of the above?
[15:43] <czajkowski> hypa7ia: aye and IU'm happy with that tbh
[15:44] <czajkowski> hypa7ia: I dont want to force it down their necks either but I do offer it there as an alternative.
[15:44] <Pendulum> czajkowski: makes sense to me :)
[15:44] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I know once in a brief moment I get a bit of clarity :)
[15:44] <MichelleQ> :D
[15:44] <hypa7ia> czajkowski: it's more that as long as they know it exists and don't feel the need to join it means we're making progress :)
[15:44] <czajkowski> hypa7ia: just the person! where in toronto would one pick up a decent A) desktop B) 2nd hand desktop
[15:45] <czajkowski> hypa7ia: exactly.
[15:45] <czajkowski> I'm in pm at m with a guy who's still wondering why it exists. I've sent him back to the wiki to properly read
[15:45] <MichelleQ> why U-W exists?
[15:45] <hypa7ia> czajkowski: http://www.rebootcanada.ca/ for 2nd hand; new - filtech or Canada Computers or Staples (staples often has great deals on clearance)
[15:46] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:46] <hypa7ia> filtech is my fave small computer dealer
[15:46] <czajkowski> need to get one for mate in Gualph
[15:46] <hypa7ia> ahh
[15:46] <hypa7ia> canadacomputers.com has cheap shipping :)
[15:47] <hypa7ia> actually they may have a guelph location now
[15:48] <issyl0> Hello!
[15:48] <MichelleQ> hi issyl0!
[15:48]  * issyl0 hasn't been paying that much attention to recent discussions and didn't attend the last meeting, so didn't know about this channel until this morning :)
[15:48] <issyl0> Hi MichelleQ
[15:49] <MichelleQ> oh, Qimo just got big news.
[15:49] <MichelleQ> just as an aside
[15:49] <MichelleQ> our local university is hosting a cd iso now, so we don't have to worry about dropping our mirrors because of bandwidth issues
[15:50] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: deadly
[15:50] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: that's wonderful!
[15:50] <czajkowski> hypa7ia: cheers, tc (mate in gualph) needs a desktop, but just bought a house.
[15:51] <MichelleQ> apparently 30gb down EVERY DAY was hurting them.
[15:51] <MichelleQ> so, the university volunteered
[15:51] <issyl0> Ha
[15:51] <issyl0> :)
[15:52] <MichelleQ> and alpha2 is final, too... I think Mike's putting it up sometime today
[15:56] <czajkowski> nice
[15:56] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: well donde
[15:56] <czajkowski> *done
[15:57]  * popey sighs at his local LUG channel
[15:57] <MichelleQ> very excited.
[15:57]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[15:57] <popey> I'm seriously done with LUGs
[15:58] <MichelleQ> aaw, popey, I'm sorry
[15:58] <czajkowski> our lug is a national one. but mostly a mailing list and an irc where they are experts on EVERYTHING
[15:59]  * hypa7ia offers popey her sparkly pink emp cannon
[15:59]  * pleia2 misses the philly lug already
[16:00] <czajkowski> pleia2: you're arrived!
[16:00] <pleia2> czajkowski: yep :) most of my stuff won't arrive until next week, but today I can start setting up my desk!
[16:01] <czajkowski> pleia2: yay!!!!
[16:01] <czajkowski> pleia2: starting work today?
[16:01] <pleia2> czajkowski: nah, I took the whole week off so I won't start until monday
[16:03] <czajkowski> nice
[16:05] <Pendulum> pleia2: that's because the philly lug is awesome. and they're going to miss you horribly
[16:05] <Pendulum> (since you were part of what made the awesome)
[16:11] <MichelleQ> pleia2: glad you made it safely!
[16:30] <pleia2> Pendulum: aw! yeah, they're all giving me a hard time for leaving
[16:30] <pleia2> MichelleQ: thanks :)
[16:32] <czajkowski> wintellect: aloha :)
[16:32] <wintellect> :D
[16:33] <Pendulum> pleia2: I'm sure. Has anyone actually stepped up to fill your shoes  yet? (if they can?)
[16:33] <Pendulum> hi wintellect
[16:33] <wintellect> hello Pendulum
[16:33]  * wintellect is eating "humble pie"
[16:33] <MichelleQ> morning, wintellect
[16:34] <wintellect> hey MichelleQ
[16:35] <czajkowski> pleia2: you're still working for the same place?
[16:35] <czajkowski> just remotely ?
[16:37] <pleia2> czajkowski: yep, I was working from home anyway, so the major change will be I won't be available for the 3-4 times per year I'd do on site work, and I start work a bit later
[16:42] <wintellect> coffee...
[16:42] <czajkowski> pleia2: ah not so bad, will you need to fly on site at times?
[16:43] <pleia2> czajkowski: luckily not, but we may schedule bi-yearly staff meetings and some maintenance when I'm in town visiting (mjoseph still has family there, so the goes back 1-2 times a year)
[16:44] <pleia2> s/the/he
[16:44] <czajkowski> happy days ;)
[16:44] <czajkowski> that worked out well
[16:44] <pleia2> yeah, I'm happy :)
[16:44] <czajkowski> pleia2: *hugs* GREAT STUFF!
[16:44] <pleia2> czajkowski: *hugs*
[20:29] <wintellect> \o
[20:30] <AlanBell> wintellect: o/
[20:30] <wintellect> :)
[20:46] <Tm_T> pleia2: btw if you think you need more ops around, feel free to add me in
[20:49]  * Pendulum watches as slowly everyone in UW gets op status ;)
[20:50] <hypa7ia> Pendulum: with the amount of trolling lately that's not a bad thing :/
[20:50] <hypa7ia> so everyone knows, we're getting targeted by gnaa right now
[20:51] <Pendulum> hypa7ia: I didn't think it was a bad thing
[20:53] <jussi01> I cant look at the access lists right now, but I assume the ircc nick has been added.
[20:53] <Pici> jussi01: looks like it
[21:36] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:36] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[21:36] <MichelleQ> hey czajkowski
[21:39] <czajkowski> how's folks?
[21:39] <MichelleQ> finishing the last of my pre-scale to do list.  You?
[21:40] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: when do you leave?
[21:40] <MichelleQ> we have to leave our house at about 3:30 tomorrow morning
[21:40] <czajkowski> munching on a battered saussage and garlic chips
[21:41] <czajkowski> and trying not to choke on it
[21:41] <MichelleQ> yum!
[21:41] <czajkowski> I mean chips as in frys
[21:41] <MichelleQ> garlic fries?  interesting!
[21:42] <jussi01> czajkowski: drool
[21:42] <czajkowski> jussi01: soooo tasty and not from supermacs either
[21:42] <rww> MichelleQ: I'm supposed to leave in an hour and a half, and haven't started my list yet ;P
[21:42]  * jussi01 want chips and garlic sauce...nom!
[21:42] <MichelleQ> rww: not good
[21:42] <rww> MichelleQ: The later I am, the less I-405 traffic I have to deal with, so... :D
[21:43] <MichelleQ> hey, totally understand
[21:43] <czajkowski> http://http.cdnlayer.com/smoola/00/00/3c/ba52aa825dc29f53_m.jpg
[21:43] <MichelleQ> nom
[21:45] <MichelleQ> praise the lord and pass the potatoes, I found the cd stomper
[21:45] <maco2> oooh garlic fries. nom
[21:49]  * jussi01 whimpers a little...
[21:50] <maco2> jussi01: whats wrong?
[21:50] <jussi01> maco2: severe cravings for good solid irish chips and garlic sauce...
[21:50] <jussi01> from the donnybrook chipper
[21:50] <maco2> hahaa
[21:51] <MichelleQ> I've never had garlic sauce on fries...  Must try this
[21:51] <maco2> i never had garlic *sauce*
[21:51] <maco2> just plain diced garlic
[21:51] <jussi01> maco2: its somewhat like garlic dressing
[22:02] <czajkowski> heheh
[22:02] <czajkowski> ye guys don't know what you;re missing
[22:03] <czajkowski> jussi01: I'm not a fan of a garlic cheese chip mind
[22:03] <czajkowski> and my mates love taco fries
[22:03] <MichelleQ> taco fries?
[22:03] <MichelleQ> why am I just now hearing about taco fries?!
[22:03] <MichelleQ> :D
[22:06] <czajkowski> taco fries are fries
[22:06] <czajkowski> with mince meat on top and garlic sace
[22:07] <czajkowski> and grated cheese
[22:07] <czajkowski> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2324916390_f3e2465afc.jpg
[22:07] <czajkowski> that
[22:09] <MichelleQ> oh my gracious
[22:09] <czajkowski> heheh
[22:09] <MichelleQ> that's enough to make one keel over
[22:11] <czajkowski> well usually one has it at 3am after you've keeled over
[22:11] <czajkowski> to sober you up to go home
[22:11] <MichelleQ> aah, that seems like a good hangover sort of food
[22:12] <czajkowski> in theory to prevent one
[22:12] <czajkowski> :)
[22:13] <MichelleQ> I'm gonna have to try to replicate that one
[22:16] <czajkowski> hehe
[22:16]  * czajkowski notes how -women-project has gone all quiet after being shown pictures of food 
[22:19] <valorie> that wasn't food
[22:19] <valorie> that was a "produce a fat body" substance
[22:19] <valorie> lol
[22:20]  * AlanBell thinks that looks like food
[22:20] <valorie> http://www.waterfootprint.org/images/gallery/original/apple.jpg <----- food
[22:21] <maco2> haha
[22:22] <czajkowski> G'night folks
[22:22]  * AlanBell looks up the local delicacies of Liverpool
[22:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: beer!
[22:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: cannot wait for oggcamp
[22:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: don't forget we have april and spanish point/lahinch for gruo
[22:26] <AlanBell> yes, if that works out
[22:27] <czajkowski> lahinch and O'Looneys pub @D
[22:27] <czajkowski> :D
[22:30] <MichelleQ> what to feed children for dinner...
[22:32] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/t/flowers_and_sparkles.jpg
[22:32] <pleia2> yay! :D
[22:32] <pleia2> barbie would be proud
[22:33] <pleia2> and honestly, this is one of the best cases I've ever worked with
[22:33] <czajkowski> pleia2: you're such a cute geek
[22:33] <czajkowski> :)
[22:33] <pleia2> hehe
[22:33] <maco2> pleia2: pretty!
[22:33] <czajkowski> pleia2: buy the case? or how did it end up girlie?
[22:34] <pleia2> czajkowski: bought the case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108064
[22:34] <pleia2> I wanted a pink one, but stopped looking when I fell in love with this one
[22:34] <pleia2> I've never done the pretty case thing, all my cases have been very practical and boring
[22:35] <pleia2> and I was always kinda put off by the OMG LEET GAM3R cases with the windows and all the lights and tubes
[22:38] <MichelleQ> pleia2: my girl would spaz - pink, flowers, and sparkles?
[22:39] <MichelleQ> she'd squeal like a stuck pig
[22:39] <pleia2> MichelleQ: I feel kinda ridiculous for buying it, this silly case was over $100 and didn't even come with a power supply :)
[22:39] <MichelleQ> ooch
[22:43] <maco2> pleia2: fairly typical isnt it?
[22:43] <maco2> ooh if we make it so girls'll think its pretty, we can charge more and short-change them on the features!
[22:44] <MichelleQ> features?  we don't need no stinking features.  It's got sparkles!  :D
[22:44] <maco2> girls dont care about features anyway, right?
[22:45] <maco2> its not like computers are meant to be *functional* or anything
[22:50] <wintellect> If a battery time is an "estimate" and the charge is a fact provided by the hardware - can anyone guess as to why gnome-power-manager uses the estimated time rather than the actual "charge" to decide when to action the "critical" state?
[22:52] <maco2> wintellect: because estimated time takes into account the load and how quickly the remaining charge will be used up at the current load
[22:52] <maco2> 5% could last 10 minutes or 2 minutes, depending on load
[22:52] <wintellect> maco2, Ahhhhhhh, k
[22:53] <wintellect> though popey says 5% lasts him 1.5 hours :P
[22:53] <wintellect> rather, the last 5%
[22:53] <maco2> O_o
[22:53] <wintellect> indeed
[22:54] <popey> it has done
[22:54] <popey> not all the time
[22:54] <popey> depends on the circumstances
[22:55] <wintellect> popey, like load perhaps?  :P
[22:56] <popey> no
[22:56] <popey> in my circumstance I used the laptop for 1.5 hours, suspended it, woke it up 12 hours later and it said 5% left
[22:57] <popey> i told gpm not to suspend, it continued to say 5 mins left (not 5%) for 1.5 hours
[22:57] <popey> anyway, this isn't really the right channel for this
[22:58]  * Tm_T huggles popey
[23:00] <maco2> popey: i wonder if it counted the suspend time, very very slowly, in its estimate??
[23:00]  * popey shrugs
[23:09] <maco2> hrm. my computer says its plugged in and charging and 98% full. its been unplugged for nearly 2 hours...