[00:00] <sgh> Riddell: what should cwd be when doing that ?
[00:01] <Riddell> inside ubuntu/
[00:02] <sgh> Riddell: ok ... ehm .... I forgot the changelog should I just add a description to the currectly unreleased version ?
[00:03] <Riddell> sgh: it the top entry in changelog is UNRELEASED then yes add it to that, running dch will help get the template right
[00:06] <sgh> Riddell: ok ....
[00:07] <sgh> Riddell: " bzr db do" ... that was not what you mens was it ?
[00:07] <Riddell> bzr bd do  maybe
[00:07] <sgh> Riddell: ok
[00:07] <Riddell> bd being builddeb from bzr-buildpackage
[00:08] <sgh> Riddell: it's allmost black magic :)
[00:08] <Riddell> that'll download the source and start a new shell with the packaging copied in
[00:08] <Riddell> you can do that manually as well of course
[00:10] <sgh> Riddell: So bzr reports "No push location". How do I set it up ?
[00:11] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~<launchpad-username>/kdelibs/<branchname>
[00:11] <sgh> Riddell:  ok
[00:14] <sgh> Riddell: I guess it worked .... lp:~sgh/kdelibs/khtml_scroll_fix
[00:18] <Riddell> neversfelde: looks good, uploading
[00:18] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks, it is already in the karmic packages
[00:20] <Riddell> sgh: lovely, uploading
[00:20] <Riddell> sgh: next step is the karmic backports package if you think it's important to have it there
[00:20] <sgh> Riddell: excellent. Thans for helping me out.
[00:21] <sgh> Riddell: That will be tomorrow. Its 01:20 here.
[00:22] <Riddell> fair enough. now you're a kubuntu packaging ninjas, welcome along :)
[00:22] <Riddell> sgh: what's your e-mail address?  you didn't put that in the changlog
[00:23] <sgh> Riddell: thank you. Oh yeah .... <sgh@sgh.dk>
[00:23] <sgh> Riddell: sorry about that.
[00:25] <sgh> Riddell: talk to later.....
[00:25] <neversfelde> Mamarok: recently there were some complaints in our forum about video, flickr and wikipedia widgets not working with 2.2.2 and 2.3. Is it a known problem, I cannot reproduce it here with Lucid?
[00:26] <neversfelde> probably a Karmic only problem
[00:26] <Riddell> sgh: uploaded, thanks for your contribution
[00:36] <neversfelde> mhh, the colibri package does not work for me
[00:37] <neversfelde> Lex79: how do I enanle it?
[00:37] <Lex79> system settings
[00:38] <neversfelde> Lex79: the kcm module only allows me to select the place where it is shown?
[00:38] <Lex79> yes
[00:38] <Lex79> you have to disable plasma notification
[00:38] <Lex79> read the readme in the package
[00:40] <neversfelde> strange
[00:45] <neversfelde> Lex79: thanks, it works now
[00:50] <Riddell> did colibri work around the clashing dbus service file?
[00:57] <maco2> did adding widgets to the desktop change in 4.4?
[00:57] <maco2> i right click, hit "add widget" and get a flash of outline like a wide short box is going to appear at the bottom of the screen, then it disappears. used to be a tall narrow box in center of the screen...
[00:58] <Riddell> yes it's a new plasma-ified dialogue
[00:58] <Riddell> but it shouldn't disappear
[00:59] <maco2> oh now i just do not understand this
[00:59] <maco2> i clicked the cashew and hit "new activity" and it changed my wallpaper and deleted my widgets
[01:00] <maco2> so i tried zoomng out to see if i could get back to my old "activity"
[01:00] <maco2> but i cant find my old desktop anywhere in the list :(
[01:00] <maco2> Riddell: ah well then i know whats happening there. my wm isnt floating the new plasma thingy. can you give me an xprop dump for it?
[01:01] <maco2> (i assume the disappearance is because my mouse isnt on top of where its appearing)
[01:01] <Riddell> xprop dump?
[01:01] <maco2> type "xprop" and click on the plasmoid?
[01:01] <Riddell> no because if I click away from the window then it disappears
[01:02] <maco2> bah
[01:02] <Riddell> oh I could run sleep first
[01:02] <Riddell> maco2: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m342e45a7
[01:02] <maco2> its apparently not Plasma-desktop or Plasma for its wm_class
[01:03] <maco2> oh boo it is! and it still isnt floating :(
[01:03] <maco2> oh hmm or maybe it is floating...and thats why its at the bottom...
[01:03] <maco2> well anyway how do i find my old activity?
[01:04] <maco2> oooh found it
[01:05] <maco2> lots of scrolling. apparnetly i have ~20 activities for some reason *shrug*
[01:05] <maco2> i dont quite understand this desktop, after a year of using it
[01:06] <Riddell> nobody understands the activities thing, we were trying to work it out at the release party before you arrived
[01:07] <maco2> that makes me feel a little less stupid
[01:08] <maco2> oh yay found a decent enough workaround for the widgets thing. use the panel's "add widget" as that opens just fine, then just drag what i want to the desktop
[01:14] <Mamarok> neversfelde: not AFAIK, those work here in Karmic
[01:27] <yuriy> is lucid terribly unstable for anyone else?
[01:28] <yuriy> i have apps crashing left and right, but it's likely my hardware
[01:41] <vorian> 0.
[01:43] <jjesse> question just updated my karmic install today and postfix wants to install along w/ a bunch of other files???
[01:43] <jjesse> like cvs
[01:44] <jjesse> wow i think its google chrome doing it
[01:44] <jjesse> yum
[01:48] <ryanakca> Could someone ack bug 524189 please?
[02:27] <jjesse> i know this is not a support channel has anyone gotten a usb headset mic to work w/ 9.10?
[02:28] <nixternal> jjesse: I have a logitech that works. I used it a couple of weeks ago with Riddell and maco for an interview
[02:28] <nixternal> i just plug it in, and it works
[02:29] <jjesse> hrmm doesn't for me
[02:30] <jjesse> i have a logictech headset, can't get the USB or regular plugs to record
[02:32] <ryanakca> headset fried?
[02:32] <jjesse> brand new
[02:32] <jjesse> bought it saturday
[02:33] <jjesse> i hear sound
[02:43] <jjesse> hrmm works in skype
[02:43] <jjesse> gotta figure other thngs out
[04:14] <verbalshadow> nixternal: have you had a chance to fix krita-kde4 depend on libdcraw7 (libdcraw8 is in the repo)?
[05:44] <shtylman> so...somehow my dist-upgrade in lucid is all f'ed up
[05:44] <shtylman> wants to uninstall all the kde packages
[05:51] <shtylman> so I think someone messed up the dependencies for libplasma3 ... or changes havn't propigated to the archive.ubuntu yet?
[05:57] <nixternal> verbalshadow: yes it is fixed, but I haven't uploaded yet...still massaging koffice into shape...not important to upload it so quick
[05:58]  * nixternal goes to bed
[05:58] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:26] <markey> apachelogger: "37 Followers"
[06:26] <markey> I will get you :P
[06:27] <markey> might have to create some fake accounts
[06:51] <markey> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3-beta
[06:51] <markey> yay
[06:51] <markey> Riddell: big thanks :)
[07:01] <Riddell> markey: oh sorry, thought you knew about that when it was published
[07:03] <markey> it's fine, just saw it :)
[07:03] <markey> spreading the good news now
[09:25] <Riddell> shtylman: installer is broken in new and interesting ways today
[09:25] <Riddell> shtylman: the pages appear out of order, disk partitioning is after the summary page
[10:55] <markey> Riddell: I think this could maybe be a packaging issue: I was missing the package "kleopatra", although Kontact is installed
[10:55] <markey> so I couldn't use any certificates
[10:55] <markey> installing it manually fixed this
[10:55] <markey> Mamarok gave me the tip to install it
[10:55] <markey> then it worked fine
[10:57] <Mamarok> I have this installed since ever, I think I even manually installed it with gpg 1.9.x some very long time ago
[10:57] <Mamarok> but it definitely should be a dependency for kde-pim IMHO
[11:00] <Riddell> shtylman: maybe what I'm seeing is bug 523648
[11:02] <Riddell> markey: I think there's some reason why we can't
[11:02] <Riddell> dirmngr or gpgsm can't be put into main
[11:02] <Riddell> don't remember why
[11:02] <markey> ah
[11:03] <markey> Riddell: problem is, the error message from KMail doesn't really give any clue
[11:03] <markey> it just says: "Couldn't start certificate manager."
[11:03] <markey> that's all
[11:04] <Mamarok> it should "say couldn't start Certificate Manager Kleopatra" which might give a hint
[11:04] <Mamarok> since knowbody knows what Kleopatra is :)
[11:05] <markey> I had no clue what that is, tbh
[11:05] <Tm_T> it's gpg-frontend
[11:05] <Tm_T> or backend, or both
[11:08] <Mamarok> Tm_T: ye, I know since ages, but somebody who never used gpg can't know that
[11:08] <Mamarok> and doesn't know what s/he needs to install to have gpg work in kde-pim
[11:08] <Tm_T> true
[11:09] <Mamarok> also, why on earth can't gpgsm not be in main? gpg is pretty much the freest GNU software I know
[11:09] <Mamarok> -not
[11:12] <Riddell> Mamarok: it's security software so people are paranoid about it.  I seem to remember upstream had it labelled as beta
[11:12] <Mamarok> oh my...
[11:13] <Mamarok> it is beta since 10 years already, why don't they change that once and for all?
[11:13] <Mamarok> and push gpg to 2.0 and all other tools to final, that is complete nonsense
[11:14] <Mamarok> it even is 2.0.12, so what is beta about that?
[11:14] <Mamarok> there really is a complete flaw in that logic
[11:15] <Mamarok> the probably most stable software on earth not in main...
[11:16] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportGnupg2  seems my memory is wrong there
[11:16] <Riddell> "will be approved after suid-root is dropped. "
[11:19] <Mamarok> riight...
[11:20] <Mamarok> Riddell: I will talk to Werner Koch, that is just completely stupid and paranoid
[11:21] <Mamarok> I bet nobody ever bothered talking to the gpg devs...
[11:21] <Riddell> I remember that we did actually
[11:21] <Riddell> maybe it was dirmngr which was the problem rather then gnupg2
[11:22] <Mamarok> hm
[11:22] <Mamarok> it just makes no sense since it is a main hindrance for a flawless kde-pim experience
[11:23]  * Mamarok goes to move some wheels up-upstream
[11:54] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I saw you created choqok packages
[11:55] <neversfelde> to prevent double work, I create snapshot packages for some time now in my ppa
[11:56] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: yeah i know... i just offer them as well :P
[11:57] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: if you can help me with another package itll be great... its a native package though
[11:58] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ok, but why do you use 45 and +lucid? I think it confuses our users, if they cannot upgrade properly to the official packages in the archive.
[11:58] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: um well thats how i was taught to name them...
[11:59] <shadeslayer> i thought it was : 0.9.45+svn(date)-0ubuntu1+(distro_version)~ppaN
[12:00] <shadeslayer> or using ~karmic~ppaN
[12:01] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: well can you tell me what the correct version should be according to you?
[12:01] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: 0.9.4+git20100218-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for lucid and ~karmic1~ppa1 for karmic
[12:02] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: so the instead of 45 just 4?
[12:02] <shadeslayer> and no +lucid..
[12:04] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I would do so, anyway it is your ppa and you can do what you want :)
[12:04] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: hehe.. well apachelogger told me that was the correct way..
[12:04] <shadeslayer> ill have a look at the wiki too
[12:04] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: afaik there was no releases 0.9.45 ?
[12:04] <neversfelde> -s
[12:05] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: um nope
[12:05] <shadeslayer> oh... so we take the last release and add the +svn or git
[12:05] <shadeslayer> i thought i had to take the current version number... sorry for that :)
[12:06] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: http://packages.debian.org/sid/choqok
[12:07] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ok one more thing.. theres a native ubuntu package,how do i find its build depends?
[12:09] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I am not sure I understand is this a already existing package?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: nope
[12:09] <shadeslayer> thats why i said its a native package..
[12:09] <shadeslayer> um wait
[12:09] <neversfelde> a native "ubuntu" package :)
[12:10] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: have a look at the readme files and test in pbuilder :)
[12:10] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: a native package is something already in ubuntu?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: well the thing is ive installed kde-devel,so i have almost all the dev files :P
[12:10] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: use pbuilder
[12:11] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ok and itll tell me which files i need?
[12:11] <shadeslayer> cool...
[12:11] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: well, the build will fail, if a dependency isn't there
[12:12] <neversfelde> apt-cache show pbuilder will tell you more
[12:14] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: i dont have to do anything to set up pbuilder right?
[12:14] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: Morning, how's the feature tour comming?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> any idea who redesigned kubuntu.org?
[12:20] <neversfelde> yes :)
[12:21] <shadeslayer> who>
[12:22] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: btw should i do : sudo pbuilder create : in a seprate directory?
[12:23] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: /away
[12:23] <neversfelde> arg
[12:23] <neversfelde> sorry
[12:23] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I don't think so, depends on your pbuilderrc I think
[12:23] <neversfelde> now away :)
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:24] <Riddell> all hugs to ryanakca for the new kubuntu.org!
[12:28] <Mamarok> yep, nice website :)
[12:33] <Riddell> still missing screenshots but we'll get there
[12:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the icons are too big :)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> Get Kubuntu,Find Help,Contribute
[12:36] <shadeslayer> could have been a wee bit smaller
[12:36] <Riddell> they're ment to be big
[12:37] <shadeslayer> hmm... well and the background too
[12:37] <shadeslayer> we need something better.... like kde.org has this awesome background
[12:38] <Riddell> ofir is working on shiny new artwork
[12:38] <neversfelde> ryanakca: the footer is looking a bit strange http://imagebin.ca/view/BxddKs.html
[12:40] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: fine in chromium
[12:40] <neversfelde> firefox here
[12:41] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: http://imagebin.ca/view/7FpioK8A.html
[12:47] <shadeslayer> hmm : http://pastebin.ca/1802579
[12:50] <Riddell> not a very useful error message
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm well im just asking if theres anything wrong... if i should be concerned...
[12:52] <Riddell> something is wrong, I honestly don't know what
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i still cant figure out what exactly pbuilder is
[12:54] <shadeslayer> i just know it will build my package
[12:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's for building your packages in a clean environment, it's a final step before uploading to ensure all the build-deps are correct
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm and it requires just the dsc file?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how big is the download after runnint pbuilder create
[12:58] <Riddell> dunno
[12:58] <jussi01> Riddell: apachelogger: remind me what the issue was with the updates that killed x and you had to reboot. if you remember. (about <1 week ago)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not even a approximate idea?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> well i think its pretty big...
[13:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: big
[13:01] <Riddell> jussi01: KDM script updated?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lol... :)
[13:02] <jussi01> Riddell: do you remember more specific?
[13:03]  * shadeslayer goes and plays World of Goo
[13:05] <neversfelde> mhh, where are the move/copy options in amarok 2.3?
[13:06] <kjeldahl> Anybody know if there's a proper pulseaudio mixer in latest Kubuntu alpha, or is pavucontrol still the best option?
[13:08]  * Mamarok resisted the urge to buy that game... but it is hard :(
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its pretty amazing :)
[13:12] <shadeslayer> and addictive :P
[13:12] <shadeslayer> and the best thing is..... it runs on kubuntu!
[13:12] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: which is why I didn't buy it, I am now a Palalepi addict, and some other games already
[13:13] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:17] <seele> did someone package the touchpad kcm for karmic? i thought i remember someone working on that
[13:21] <shadeslayer> btw if some stuff fails to download with pbuilder create,i can download that later right?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> like : W: Couldn't download package libc6
[13:30] <Riddell> seele: there's an old version in https://edge.launchpad.net/~dominik-stadler/+archive/ppa
[13:36] <shtylman> Riddell: this is certainly not good
[13:37] <shtylman> and it isn't just affecting the kubuntu side?
[13:37] <shtylman> seems to be all installers
[13:38] <shtylman> ryanakca: does new kubuntu render correctly for you in chromium?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> shtylman: it does here
[13:39] <shadeslayer> btw i think we need a CFI for kubuntu :P
[13:39] <shadeslayer> i mean KCI :P
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu Chromium Installer.... lol :D
[13:39] <shtylman> hahah
[13:40] <shadeslayer> or something like Choose between : 1)Chromium 2)FF 3)Both
[13:40] <kjeldahl> I've got dual screens. I set it up using System Settings. But KDE never remembers. Have to do it every time after login. Any ideas?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/7FpioK8A.html
[13:41] <Riddell> seele: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kcm-touchpad_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[13:41] <shadeslayer> kjeldahl: support in #kubuntu
[13:41] <kjeldahl> sry
[13:41] <seele> Riddell: thanks
[13:46] <shtylman> shadeslayer: ?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> shtylman: eh?
[13:48] <shtylman> shadeslayer: that image you sent...
[13:48] <shadeslayer> shtylman: oh thats a screenshot of kubuntu footer with chromium
[13:49] <shadeslayer> shtylman: ill give you the whole screenshot
[13:49] <Riddell> you want ryanakca for that
[13:49] <shadeslayer> shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/Rv0oJU.html
[13:50] <Riddell> really, you want ryanakca
[13:50] <seele> wow this touchpad interface is super confusing
[13:50] <shtylman> Riddell: is this site short term? wasn't there some other mockup I saw?
[13:50] <seele> i can't figure out how to get one of the options enabled
[13:50] <shtylman> Riddell: he knows...he was just showing me that it rendered on chromium (I think)
[13:50] <seele> how do i get "Disable touchpad when typing" option enabled so i can click it? or is it broken?
[13:51] <Riddell> shtylman: it was ment to be done for karmic release but that never happened
[13:51] <shadeslayer> seele: i use touchfreeze
[13:51] <shadeslayer> for that kind of thing
[13:51] <Riddell> shtylman: chap callec ofir is working on a new design
[13:52] <seele> shadeslayer: well.. i'm trying to review the kcm
[13:52] <shadeslayer> grr.... pbuilder create failed...
[13:52] <shtylman> Riddell: cool... will that be for lucid+10 :p
[13:52] <Riddell> seele: kcm touchpad seems to just crash here :(
[13:53] <seele> Riddell: well i guess all but one working option is better than no working options
[13:53] <shadeslayer> hehe... i dont even have kcm touchpad :P
[13:53] <shadeslayer> any svn co or tarballs>
[13:54] <seele> shadeslayer: [08:41:21] <Riddell> seele: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kcm-touchpad_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[13:55] <Riddell> seele: all the code for that SmartModeEnableCB tickbox is disabled
[13:55] <Riddell> so at the least we should hide it from the UI
[13:55] <seele> Riddell: any comments? otherwise i'll assume it will be hidden
[13:55] <seele> ok
[13:55] <Riddell> can't see any comment
[13:56] <shadeslayer> seele: 64 bit :)
[13:56] <seele> shadeslayer: ah well.. don't be so difficult!
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ill just download the git repo
[13:57] <shadeslayer> aargh : http://pastebin.ca/1802649
[13:59] <MelisU> hmmm, on the new Kubuntu.org website KDE is still K Desktop Enviroment ... that is not politically correct anymore :)
[14:00] <Riddell> good point
[14:02] <Riddell> MelisU: updated
[14:03] <MelisU> Riddell: You are the best! (Everybody knows that, but it needs to be said every so often ;)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where is the module loacted after installation>
[14:04] <Riddell> same place as all the kcontrol modules
[14:04] <shadeslayer> system settings
[14:05] <shadeslayer> cant find it
[14:05] <shadeslayer> finally
[14:07] <shadeslayer> lol....everything greyed out :P
[14:07] <Riddell> shtylman: so have the buttons at the bottom been changed around?
[14:19]  * Riddell removes soprano-backend-sesame from archive
[14:21] <Riddell> shtylman: did your libplasma3 issue go away?
[14:24] <shadeslayer> argh... pbuilder failed again
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1802675
[14:24] <shadeslayer> do i need another mirror?
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try a plain chroot:  debootstrap lucid lucid
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: just that command?
[14:29] <Riddell> yes
[14:29] <shadeslayer> (i have a karmic machine)
[14:29] <Riddell> s/lucid/karmic/ if you want to build on karmic
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:46] <Riddell> how is update working in kpackagekit for lucid users?  seems to be giving me silly errors about packages not being upgraded versions
[14:47] <Riddell> shtylman: have you thought about the netbook installer slideshow at all?
[15:09] <Tonio_> agateau: I don't know it you are aware of it but check kde bug 226434
[15:09] <Tonio_> agateau: and "hi" :)
[15:09] <agateau> Tonio_: "hi" and fixed :)
[15:10] <Tonio_> agateau: so I just have to wait then
[15:10] <Tonio_> agateau: anything to upload to get it fixed ?
[15:11] <Tonio_> agateau: cause I can still reproduce here :)
[15:11] <agateau> Tonio_: you need libindicate-qt 0.2.2
[15:11] <agateau> err
[15:11] <agateau> libdbusmenu-qt 0.2.2
[15:12] <Tonio_> agateau: okay looks like it's not available in the repos yet :)
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/shadeslayer/pbuilder/karmic dpkg --force-overwrite --force-confold --skip-same-version --install
[15:13] <shadeslayer> wow... i tried 4 times already :P
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apparently some pacakages are missing... :P
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok after that command i use pbuilder as normal?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> or some else needs to be done?
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: then you copy the packaging into the chroot and use   sudo chroot <chroot-directory>  to enter the chroot
[15:19] <Riddell> then build as normal
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm.. and for updating the chroot?
[15:20] <Riddell> apt-get update  or rm -r and build fresh
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gah... cant build fresh :P
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i have to copy the whole source into the folder right?
[15:22] <Riddell> yes
[15:24] <shadeslayer> hmm... and then use pbuilder with the .dsc files.... got it,thanks :)
[15:24] <Riddell> no need for pbuilder
[15:24] <Riddell> pbuilder is just an automated way of making a chroot like this
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh.. then how do i build the .deb in the chroot?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> debuild?
[15:25] <maco2> ooh pretty new website
[15:26] <jjesse> yeah nice job ryanakca
[15:28] <shadeslayer> jjesse: maco2 we still need good artwork in the background :)
[16:01] <yuriy_work> lol my bosses are complaining about icons splattered all over their screens and wish they were organized into nice "panes" like in win 3.1
[16:02] <shtylman_> haha
[16:06] <Riddell> agateau: took me a second to work out what KSNI is, you know it's a bad API when you have to make it into an acronym
[16:06] <agateau> Riddell: sorry for that :)
[16:07] <agateau> I usually write it fully once before abbreviating it, did I miss it this time?
[16:07] <yuriy_work> shtylman_: i've been meaning to play around more with plasma on windows to see if maybe it'd suit their needs, but i feel like the integration with windows is not that great
[16:08] <shtylman_> yea
[16:08] <agateau> yuriy_work: I think you can still start the old 3.1 UI
[16:08] <shtylman_> that doesn't surprise me
[16:08] <agateau> yuriy_work: it's named progman or something
[16:08] <yuriy_work> agateau: in XP? that'd be a neat trick, i'll have to try
[16:08] <agateau> yuriy_work: yes in XP
[16:09] <yuriy_work> but really it just makes me think wow folderview really wasn't a solution looking for a problem
[16:10] <yuriy_work> or, better even, that it's actually a pattern people want
[16:10] <agateau> indeed
[16:10] <agateau> keep the icon trash in a box!
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> could a core-dev sponsor the merge in bug 514110 please? (apply the patch to the debian libssh)
[16:51]  * Riddell in release team meeting currently, can do after
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> neat, thanks
[17:09] <dantti> Riddell: aptcc copyright file is wrong :P btw was you that pointed out a bug in package descriptions, I have just got it right now... but i can't find the bug page...
[17:14] <Riddell> I don't remember that
[17:15] <dantti> JontheEchidna: was you that said bzr description had wrong output in aptcc?
[17:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://nakkel.pp.fi/kubuntu-org1.jpg
[17:18] <apachelogger> markey: I did not know we were competing :P
[17:18] <apachelogger> I would have invested more energy :D
[17:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: dood, you broke our website
[17:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: re kpk updated magic ... the apt backend does it, it invokes the regular upgrade checking stuffs and then just upstreams the information to the UI or something
[17:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: then the UI calls the upgrade script you mentioned to invoke the actual upgrade process
[17:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I see it, but 1) never believe upgrade checking until you've seen it with your own eyes  2) I don't know if it takes into account LTS  3) the upgrade script needs fixing for Kubuntu
[17:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's how Konqueror renders it (:)
[17:21] <Riddell> dantti: UDS in May in Belgium by the way if you fancy coming
[17:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: not here it isn't
[17:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: with khtml, that is
[17:21] <Riddell> mm, I am in webkit
[17:21] <Tm_T> ye
[17:22] <Riddell> seems fine in khtml too
[17:22] <Tm_T> weird
[17:22] <Riddell> rather
[17:22] <Tm_T> friends Karmic 4.4 (that screenshot) an my trunk build both fails similarly
[17:22] <Riddell> anyone able to verify?
[17:23] <dantti> Riddell: I'm a bit far from Belgium ...
[17:23] <shtylman_> Riddell: I had same rendering problem at home
[17:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: can you try khtml without cache?
[17:23] <shtylman_> mine was in chromium
[17:24] <Riddell> dantti: there will be sponsorship available
[17:24] <Riddell> shtylman_: aye well, if you use obscure browsers... :)
[17:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: still fine without cache
[17:25]  * shadeslayer finds out that rekonq just broke :(
[17:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: as it looks fine for me _after_ viewing it with webkit (:)
[17:26]  * Riddell pokes shtylman_ for an answer on the button swapping question
[17:26] <dantti> Riddell: right, how do we get that, oh I now it's harder to go with my 2 kids and wife :P but maybe...
[17:27] <Riddell> shtylman_: looks fine in chromium too (version in lucid)
[17:27] <Riddell> dantti: wait for the announcement
[17:28] <Riddell> which usually comes via jono's blog for some reason
[17:28] <dantti> k, thanks
[17:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: what question is that?
[17:29] <Riddell> shtylman_: have the Quit and back/forward buttons swapped around, or it is my imagination?
[17:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: in the installer?
[17:29] <Riddell> yes
[17:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: ...seems that refreshing hard enough fixes it, maybe I just blame Konqueror/khtml funky caching
[17:29] <shtylman_> hmm.. I didn't do it
[17:29] <shtylman_> but will check it out
[17:30] <Riddell> quit is to the left now, I'm sure it used to be to the right
[17:30] <Riddell> shtylman_: I'm also unconvinced about the placing of the download updated installer button, its confusing next to the release notes link
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did not say that 0.9.45+svn(date)-0ubuntu1+(distro_version)~ppaN is the correct way, I said it was the only way to work around the issue you introduced by uploading a wrong version earlier :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> oh..
[17:36] <neversfelde> :)
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i should use what neversfelde said?
[17:36] <apachelogger> jussi01: dh_installinit would add automagic stuff to stop and restart a daemon upon upgrade, this needed complete deactivation for kdm (additionally that stuff is handled by custom made code in the maintainer scripts already)
[17:36] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: apachelogger my bad :)
[17:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok, thanks! :D
[17:37] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I forwarded what you said and kfritz upstream will try to solve this md5 issue in one of the next versions
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: 1) manipulate your update config in /etc/default (I think that is the location), just upload some fake release file somewhere and change the paths to point there 2) if not then glatzor is to be poked ;) 3) I sent a patch to dantti who said that he would push it to upstream packagekit
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: on 3) I'd also like to note that we should decide if we want to remove the ugrade function from kpk in karmic or from kubuntu-update-notifier
[17:39] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm let me see if i cherry pick that update pk patch..
[17:39] <apachelogger> removing it from latter would mean backporting some changes to kpk and packagekit
[17:39] <alabd> hello while booting kubuntu 8.10 amd64 cd in the page that we should select "install kubuntu" enter does not work , how to solev it ?
[17:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: for consistency reasons I would go for kpk as upgrade tool in karmic, this way we can also cripple the update notifier to the point where it does not do any dist upgrade lookups and those is lighter on the CPU ;)
[17:41] <apachelogger> neversfelde: okies, gotta rerevu soonish
[17:41]  * apachelogger is currently trying to rescue some data
[17:42] <dantti> apachelogger: oki done, Pk 0.5.7 will have it :P
[17:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thanks, no need to hurry :)
[17:43]  * dantti has to do some tedius porting to pk-qt 0.6 :(
[17:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: see, 0.5.7 will have it ;)
[17:44] <apachelogger> dantti: thanks :)
[17:44] <dantti> np
[17:46] <Riddell> where is this update pk patch?
[17:46] <shtylman_> Riddell: it has been on the left for a while
[17:46] <shtylman_> Riddell: that is by choice
[17:46] <Riddell> shtylman_: I must be imagining it then
[17:46] <shtylman_> Riddell: the user wants to naturally go forward
[17:46] <shtylman_> Riddell: where would you put the update button?
[17:47] <Riddell> shtylman_: dunno, KDE had standards for these things, seele would know
[17:48] <yuriy_work> shtylman_: yeah i wanted to mention too, the update installer button looks out of place on the language place
[17:48] <yuriy_work> though it is a very nice feature
[17:48] <yuriy_work> *language page
[17:49] <shtylman_> yuriy_work: it may look out of place...but it has to come first
[17:49] <shtylman_> thats why it is there
[17:49] <shtylman_> cause once you start installing it doesn't make sense
[17:49] <shtylman_> I personally dunno if anyone uses it
[17:50] <Riddell> we can throw a screenshot at seele and see what she advises
[17:51] <Riddell> but it's inconsistent with the release notes text and link
[17:51] <shtylman_> k
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> dantti: yeah, that was me
[18:12] <dantti> JontheEchidna: k, i found the fdo bug, and it's fixed now :)
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> neat :)
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> I wonder how feasible making it the default backend would be... (politically, not just technically)
[18:14] <shtylman_> ScottK: ping ... I have packaging questions ... is there an irc channel for that?
[18:14] <ScottK> shtylman_: Here or #ubuntu-motu
[18:14] <shtylman_> ScottK: ping ... I have packaging questions ... is there an irc channel for that?
[18:14] <shtylman_> err
[18:14] <shtylman_> Thanks :)
[18:22] <dantti> JontheEchidna: technically they have the same features some are better implemented in apt others in aptcc, politically then I don't know...
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> dantti: one thing I saw, is that aptcc lacks the install-from-file feature, at least in 0.5.6
[18:23] <dantti> ah yes, i think to do that :P
[18:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: mvo and glatzor had reservations about it at the last UDS, although I can't remember what they were
[18:23] <Riddell> it doesn't do distro upgrade as far as I know
[18:23] <dantti> the problem is that apt doesn't handle that, so i have to create some kind of resolver for that and use dpkg directly
[18:25] <dantti> Riddell: yup, it does not check for Ubuntu distribution upgrades, but it does apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:25] <dantti> I'll add those as soon as pk-qt 0.6 is more stable..
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> can it do upgrades that require package removal?
[18:25] <dantti> JontheEchidna: on 0.5 yes
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> currently the apt backend cannot do this, which I find a little bit sad
[18:26] <dantti> I added to PK simulate(remove|install|update) that are able to emit packages to remove
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> not to discount all the work has been put into the apt backend, of course
[18:28] <dantti> It was  fun to make aptcc, the reason to not do it in cpp was it wouldn't be able to do lot's of things like mediaChanging, canceling the transaction which in the end I wrote the Pk functions and added first in aptcc
[18:28] <jussi01> hrm... lucid:
[18:28] <jussi01> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:28] <jussi01>   amarok: Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.2.2-0ubuntu1) but 2:2.2.2.90-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[18:28] <jussi01> E: Broken packages
[18:28] <dantti> now I'm planning to create a method to be able to append disc repositories (ie apt-cdrom add)
[18:29] <dantti> I think apt got a bit abandoned after glatzor tought (or decided) to make that gnome-app-install thing
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> software-center?
[18:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna:
[18:30] <dantti> i think that's the name..
[18:30] <Riddell> jussi01: amd64?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> dantti: the one that uses that aptdaemon thing?
[18:30] <jussi01> Riddell: yup
[18:31] <Riddell> jussi01: compiling
[18:31] <dantti> JontheEchidna: yup
[18:31] <jussi01> Riddell: ahh, ok, Ill wait then :D
[18:32] <dantti> JontheEchidna: actually that was written because glator seemed to gave up on adding debconf to Pk, and in the end he implemented a way that could be easily added to PK :P
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> dantti, Riddell: aptcc viability might be a good spec to take a look at for  lucid+1
[18:33] <Riddell> well that's why dantti should come to UDS :)
[18:33] <Riddell> it's mostly an issue I'd defer to mvo on though, he knows more about it than I
[18:34] <dantti> mvo once suggested to merge the two saing that the installation part could be done in python but I disagreed so we still have both :P
[18:51] <shtylman_> Riddell: is the installer still borked?
[18:51] <shtylman_> or was that bug closed?
[18:52] <Riddell> shtylman_: bug 523648 says fix released
[18:52] <Riddell> so if that's the bug I was seeing then that's all good
[18:52] <shtylman_> cool
[18:54] <Riddell>  not in the archives yet though so can't test
[18:54] <shtylman_> right
[20:25] <ryanakca> shtylman: Did you get kubuntu.org's masthead to render properly?
[20:28] <apachelogger> oh
[20:28] <apachelogger> new kubuntu.org
[20:28] <apachelogger> sweet
[20:29] <apachelogger> although, the ktorrent icon is a bit ludicrous
[20:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ping
[20:35] <Tscheesy> apachelogger: the news are hidden on kubuntu.org now
[20:35] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:35] <apachelogger> good thing
[20:36] <apachelogger> a) they are crappy looking b) they are of little use to non-advanced users
[20:36] <apachelogger> our QA for PPA upgrades is not exactly perfect yet :(
[20:36] <Tscheesy> news generate Traffic
[20:36] <daskreech> apachelogger: goes back to my question for a Doktor page :)
[20:37] <daskreech> And microblog posts
[20:37] <apachelogger> huh?
[20:37] <apachelogger> doktor page?
[20:37] <daskreech> Yeah a listing of tasks for a doktor to attack
[20:37] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: we do not make money with selling ads :P\
[20:38] <Tscheesy> apachelogger: yes - but were longing for world domination ;)
[20:38] <apachelogger> traffic != world domintation :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> daskreech: I am not sure what you mean, get a wiki page started :P
[20:39] <daskreech> apachelogger: Alright
[20:39] <daskreech> I'll try sometime this weekend
[20:39] <daskreech> Quality+Exposure = World domination
[20:42] <Tscheesy> right daskreech - and slightly convincing stubborn useres
[20:43] <daskreech> Tscheesy: If you would like to convince stubborn users please go ahead :)
[20:43] <Tscheesy> ^^
[20:43] <Tscheesy> my sisters gona change - by herself
[20:43] <daskreech> developers get involved in FOSS, Linux and KDE because it's something they enjoy doing. as far as I'm concerned Users should be doing the same
[20:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: is it a bug that the message indicator applet is always visible in tray?
[20:55] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Get me one that isn't so ludicrous :)
[20:56] <apachelogger> ryanakca: kget or something
[20:56] <apachelogger> anything is better than ktorrent at this size
[20:56] <apachelogger> that said
[20:56] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[20:56] <apachelogger> could use the nu icon
[20:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: you could use the icon used at kde.org
[21:01] <apachelogger> how I do hate it when apport comes up with something out of the blue -.-
[23:24] <neversfelde> oh, new choqok release on the way. I read something about a changed process for feature freeze exceptions on the announce list, what's new there?
[23:43] <robinp> are there any guides as to setting up a kde development environment using kubuntu?
[23:44] <neversfelde> have a look at http://techbase.kde.org
[23:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: pong