[00:00] Riddell: what should cwd be when doing that ? [00:01] inside ubuntu/ [00:02] Riddell: ok ... ehm .... I forgot the changelog should I just add a description to the currectly unreleased version ? [00:03] sgh: it the top entry in changelog is UNRELEASED then yes add it to that, running dch will help get the template right [00:06] Riddell: ok .... [00:07] Riddell: " bzr db do" ... that was not what you mens was it ? [00:07] bzr bd do maybe [00:07] Riddell: ok [00:07] bd being builddeb from bzr-buildpackage [00:08] Riddell: it's allmost black magic :) [00:08] that'll download the source and start a new shell with the packaging copied in [00:08] you can do that manually as well of course [00:10] Riddell: So bzr reports "No push location". How do I set it up ? [00:11] bzr push lp:~/kdelibs/ [00:11] Riddell: ok [00:14] Riddell: I guess it worked .... lp:~sgh/kdelibs/khtml_scroll_fix [00:18] neversfelde: looks good, uploading [00:18] Riddell: thanks, it is already in the karmic packages [00:20] sgh: lovely, uploading [00:20] sgh: next step is the karmic backports package if you think it's important to have it there [00:20] Riddell: excellent. Thans for helping me out. [00:21] Riddell: That will be tomorrow. Its 01:20 here. [00:22] fair enough. now you're a kubuntu packaging ninjas, welcome along :) [00:22] sgh: what's your e-mail address? you didn't put that in the changlog [00:23] Riddell: thank you. Oh yeah .... [00:23] Riddell: sorry about that. [00:25] Riddell: talk to later..... [00:25] Mamarok: recently there were some complaints in our forum about video, flickr and wikipedia widgets not working with 2.2.2 and 2.3. Is it a known problem, I cannot reproduce it here with Lucid? [00:26] probably a Karmic only problem [00:26] sgh: uploaded, thanks for your contribution [00:36] mhh, the colibri package does not work for me [00:37] Lex79: how do I enanle it? [00:37] system settings [00:38] Lex79: the kcm module only allows me to select the place where it is shown? [00:38] yes [00:38] you have to disable plasma notification [00:38] read the readme in the package [00:40] strange [00:45] Lex79: thanks, it works now [00:50] did colibri work around the clashing dbus service file? [00:57] did adding widgets to the desktop change in 4.4? [00:57] i right click, hit "add widget" and get a flash of outline like a wide short box is going to appear at the bottom of the screen, then it disappears. used to be a tall narrow box in center of the screen... [00:58] yes it's a new plasma-ified dialogue [00:58] but it shouldn't disappear [00:59] oh now i just do not understand this [00:59] i clicked the cashew and hit "new activity" and it changed my wallpaper and deleted my widgets [01:00] so i tried zoomng out to see if i could get back to my old "activity" [01:00] but i cant find my old desktop anywhere in the list :( [01:00] Riddell: ah well then i know whats happening there. my wm isnt floating the new plasma thingy. can you give me an xprop dump for it? [01:01] (i assume the disappearance is because my mouse isnt on top of where its appearing) [01:01] xprop dump? [01:01] type "xprop" and click on the plasmoid? [01:01] no because if I click away from the window then it disappears [01:02] bah [01:02] oh I could run sleep first [01:02] maco2: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m342e45a7 [01:02] its apparently not Plasma-desktop or Plasma for its wm_class [01:03] oh boo it is! and it still isnt floating :( [01:03] oh hmm or maybe it is floating...and thats why its at the bottom... [01:03] well anyway how do i find my old activity? [01:04] oooh found it [01:05] lots of scrolling. apparnetly i have ~20 activities for some reason *shrug* [01:05] i dont quite understand this desktop, after a year of using it [01:06] nobody understands the activities thing, we were trying to work it out at the release party before you arrived [01:07] that makes me feel a little less stupid [01:08] oh yay found a decent enough workaround for the widgets thing. use the panel's "add widget" as that opens just fine, then just drag what i want to the desktop [01:14] neversfelde: not AFAIK, those work here in Karmic [01:27] is lucid terribly unstable for anyone else? [01:28] i have apps crashing left and right, but it's likely my hardware [01:41] 0. [01:43] question just updated my karmic install today and postfix wants to install along w/ a bunch of other files??? [01:43] like cvs [01:44] wow i think its google chrome doing it [01:44] yum [01:48] Could someone ack bug 524189 please? [01:48] Launchpad bug 524189 in bangarang "Please sync bangarang 1.0.1-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524189 [02:27] i know this is not a support channel has anyone gotten a usb headset mic to work w/ 9.10? [02:28] jjesse: I have a logitech that works. I used it a couple of weeks ago with Riddell and maco for an interview [02:28] i just plug it in, and it works [02:29] hrmm doesn't for me [02:30] i have a logictech headset, can't get the USB or regular plugs to record [02:32] headset fried? [02:32] brand new [02:32] bought it saturday [02:33] i hear sound [02:43] hrmm works in skype [02:43] gotta figure other thngs out [04:14] nixternal: have you had a chance to fix krita-kde4 depend on libdcraw7 (libdcraw8 is in the repo)? === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [05:44] so...somehow my dist-upgrade in lucid is all f'ed up [05:44] wants to uninstall all the kde packages [05:51] so I think someone messed up the dependencies for libplasma3 ... or changes havn't propigated to the archive.ubuntu yet? [05:57] verbalshadow: yes it is fixed, but I haven't uploaded yet...still massaging koffice into shape...not important to upload it so quick [05:58] * nixternal goes to bed [05:58] g'nite [06:26] apachelogger: "37 Followers" [06:26] I will get you :P [06:27] might have to create some fake accounts === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [06:51] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3-beta [06:51] yay [06:51] Riddell: big thanks :) [07:01] markey: oh sorry, thought you knew about that when it was published [07:03] it's fine, just saw it :) [07:03] spreading the good news now [09:25] shtylman: installer is broken in new and interesting ways today [09:25] shtylman: the pages appear out of order, disk partitioning is after the summary page === binarylooks_ is now known as binarylooks [10:55] Riddell: I think this could maybe be a packaging issue: I was missing the package "kleopatra", although Kontact is installed [10:55] so I couldn't use any certificates [10:55] installing it manually fixed this [10:55] Mamarok gave me the tip to install it [10:55] then it worked fine [10:57] I have this installed since ever, I think I even manually installed it with gpg 1.9.x some very long time ago [10:57] but it definitely should be a dependency for kde-pim IMHO [11:00] shtylman: maybe what I'm seeing is bug 523648 [11:00] Launchpad bug 523648 in ubiquity "install.py crashed with AssertionError in __init__() [regression from 2.1.20]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523648 [11:02] markey: I think there's some reason why we can't [11:02] dirmngr or gpgsm can't be put into main [11:02] don't remember why [11:02] ah [11:03] Riddell: problem is, the error message from KMail doesn't really give any clue [11:03] it just says: "Couldn't start certificate manager." [11:03] that's all [11:04] it should "say couldn't start Certificate Manager Kleopatra" which might give a hint [11:04] since knowbody knows what Kleopatra is :) [11:05] I had no clue what that is, tbh [11:05] it's gpg-frontend [11:05] or backend, or both [11:08] Tm_T: ye, I know since ages, but somebody who never used gpg can't know that [11:08] and doesn't know what s/he needs to install to have gpg work in kde-pim [11:08] true [11:09] also, why on earth can't gpgsm not be in main? gpg is pretty much the freest GNU software I know [11:09] -not [11:12] Mamarok: it's security software so people are paranoid about it. I seem to remember upstream had it labelled as beta [11:12] oh my... [11:13] it is beta since 10 years already, why don't they change that once and for all? [11:13] and push gpg to 2.0 and all other tools to final, that is complete nonsense [11:14] it even is 2.0.12, so what is beta about that? [11:14] there really is a complete flaw in that logic [11:15] the probably most stable software on earth not in main... [11:16] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportGnupg2 seems my memory is wrong there [11:16] "will be approved after suid-root is dropped. " [11:19] riight... [11:20] Riddell: I will talk to Werner Koch, that is just completely stupid and paranoid [11:21] I bet nobody ever bothered talking to the gpg devs... [11:21] I remember that we did actually [11:21] maybe it was dirmngr which was the problem rather then gnupg2 [11:22] hm [11:22] it just makes no sense since it is a main hindrance for a flawless kde-pim experience [11:23] * Mamarok goes to move some wheels up-upstream [11:54] shadeslayer: I saw you created choqok packages [11:55] to prevent double work, I create snapshot packages for some time now in my ppa [11:56] neversfelde: yeah i know... i just offer them as well :P [11:57] neversfelde: if you can help me with another package itll be great... its a native package though [11:58] shadeslayer: ok, but why do you use 45 and +lucid? I think it confuses our users, if they cannot upgrade properly to the official packages in the archive. [11:58] neversfelde: um well thats how i was taught to name them... [11:59] i thought it was : 0.9.45+svn(date)-0ubuntu1+(distro_version)~ppaN [12:00] or using ~karmic~ppaN [12:01] neversfelde: well can you tell me what the correct version should be according to you? [12:01] shadeslayer: 0.9.4+git20100218-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for lucid and ~karmic1~ppa1 for karmic [12:02] neversfelde: so the instead of 45 just 4? [12:02] and no +lucid.. [12:04] shadeslayer: I would do so, anyway it is your ppa and you can do what you want :) [12:04] neversfelde: hehe.. well apachelogger told me that was the correct way.. [12:04] ill have a look at the wiki too [12:04] shadeslayer: afaik there was no releases 0.9.45 ? [12:04] -s [12:05] neversfelde: um nope [12:05] oh... so we take the last release and add the +svn or git [12:05] i thought i had to take the current version number... sorry for that :) [12:06] shadeslayer: http://packages.debian.org/sid/choqok [12:07] neversfelde: ok one more thing.. theres a native ubuntu package,how do i find its build depends? [12:09] shadeslayer: I am not sure I understand is this a already existing package? [12:09] neversfelde: nope [12:09] thats why i said its a native package.. [12:09] um wait [12:09] a native "ubuntu" package :) [12:10] shadeslayer: have a look at the readme files and test in pbuilder :) [12:10] neversfelde: a native package is something already in ubuntu? [12:10] neversfelde: well the thing is ive installed kde-devel,so i have almost all the dev files :P [12:10] shadeslayer: use pbuilder [12:11] neversfelde: ok and itll tell me which files i need? [12:11] cool... [12:11] shadeslayer: well, the build will fail, if a dependency isn't there [12:12] apt-cache show pbuilder will tell you more [12:14] neversfelde: i dont have to do anything to set up pbuilder right? [12:14] shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [12:17] nixternal: Morning, how's the feature tour comming? [12:20] any idea who redesigned kubuntu.org? [12:20] yes :) [12:21] who> [12:22] neversfelde: btw should i do : sudo pbuilder create : in a seprate directory? [12:23] shadeslayer: /away [12:23] arg [12:23] sorry [12:23] shadeslayer: I don't think so, depends on your pbuilderrc I think [12:23] now away :) [12:23] ok [12:24] all hugs to ryanakca for the new kubuntu.org! === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: New kubuntu.org, hugs to Ryan | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [12:28] yep, nice website :) [12:33] still missing screenshots but we'll get there [12:35] Riddell: the icons are too big :) [12:35] Get Kubuntu,Find Help,Contribute [12:36] could have been a wee bit smaller [12:36] they're ment to be big [12:37] hmm... well and the background too [12:37] we need something better.... like kde.org has this awesome background [12:38] ofir is working on shiny new artwork [12:38] ryanakca: the footer is looking a bit strange http://imagebin.ca/view/BxddKs.html [12:40] neversfelde: fine in chromium [12:40] firefox here [12:41] neversfelde: http://imagebin.ca/view/7FpioK8A.html [12:47] hmm : http://pastebin.ca/1802579 [12:50] not a very useful error message [12:52] Riddell: hmm well im just asking if theres anything wrong... if i should be concerned... [12:52] something is wrong, I honestly don't know what [12:53] Riddell: i still cant figure out what exactly pbuilder is [12:54] i just know it will build my package [12:56] shadeslayer: it's for building your packages in a clean environment, it's a final step before uploading to ensure all the build-deps are correct [12:58] Riddell: hmm and it requires just the dsc file? [12:58] Riddell: how big is the download after runnint pbuilder create [12:58] dunno [12:58] Riddell: apachelogger: remind me what the issue was with the updates that killed x and you had to reboot. if you remember. (about <1 week ago) [12:59] hmm [12:59] Riddell: not even a approximate idea? [13:00] well i think its pretty big... [13:01] shadeslayer: big [13:01] jussi01: KDM script updated? [13:01] Riddell: lol... :) [13:02] Riddell: do you remember more specific? [13:03] * shadeslayer goes and plays World of Goo [13:05] mhh, where are the move/copy options in amarok 2.3? [13:06] Anybody know if there's a proper pulseaudio mixer in latest Kubuntu alpha, or is pavucontrol still the best option? [13:08] * Mamarok resisted the urge to buy that game... but it is hard :( [13:12] Mamarok: its pretty amazing :) [13:12] and addictive :P [13:12] and the best thing is..... it runs on kubuntu! [13:12] shadeslayer: which is why I didn't buy it, I am now a Palalepi addict, and some other games already [13:13] hehe :) [13:17] did someone package the touchpad kcm for karmic? i thought i remember someone working on that [13:21] btw if some stuff fails to download with pbuilder create,i can download that later right? [13:22] like : W: Couldn't download package libc6 [13:30] seele: there's an old version in https://edge.launchpad.net/~dominik-stadler/+archive/ppa [13:36] Riddell: this is certainly not good [13:37] and it isn't just affecting the kubuntu side? [13:37] seems to be all installers [13:38] ryanakca: does new kubuntu render correctly for you in chromium? [13:38] shtylman: it does here [13:39] btw i think we need a CFI for kubuntu :P [13:39] i mean KCI :P [13:39] Kubuntu Chromium Installer.... lol :D [13:39] hahah [13:40] or something like Choose between : 1)Chromium 2)FF 3)Both [13:40] I've got dual screens. I set it up using System Settings. But KDE never remembers. Have to do it every time after login. Any ideas? [13:41] shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/7FpioK8A.html [13:41] seele: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kcm-touchpad_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [13:41] kjeldahl: support in #kubuntu [13:41] sry [13:41] Riddell: thanks [13:46] shadeslayer: ? [13:48] shtylman: eh? [13:48] shadeslayer: that image you sent... [13:48] shtylman: oh thats a screenshot of kubuntu footer with chromium [13:49] shtylman: ill give you the whole screenshot [13:49] you want ryanakca for that [13:49] shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/view/Rv0oJU.html [13:50] really, you want ryanakca [13:50] wow this touchpad interface is super confusing [13:50] Riddell: is this site short term? wasn't there some other mockup I saw? [13:50] i can't figure out how to get one of the options enabled [13:50] Riddell: he knows...he was just showing me that it rendered on chromium (I think) [13:50] how do i get "Disable touchpad when typing" option enabled so i can click it? or is it broken? [13:51] shtylman: it was ment to be done for karmic release but that never happened [13:51] seele: i use touchfreeze [13:51] for that kind of thing [13:51] shtylman: chap callec ofir is working on a new design [13:52] shadeslayer: well.. i'm trying to review the kcm [13:52] grr.... pbuilder create failed... [13:52] Riddell: cool... will that be for lucid+10 :p [13:52] seele: kcm touchpad seems to just crash here :( [13:53] Riddell: well i guess all but one working option is better than no working options [13:53] hehe... i dont even have kcm touchpad :P [13:53] any svn co or tarballs> [13:54] shadeslayer: [08:41:21] seele: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kcm-touchpad_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [13:55] seele: all the code for that SmartModeEnableCB tickbox is disabled [13:55] so at the least we should hide it from the UI [13:55] Riddell: any comments? otherwise i'll assume it will be hidden [13:55] ok [13:55] can't see any comment [13:56] seele: 64 bit :) [13:56] shadeslayer: ah well.. don't be so difficult! [13:56] ill just download the git repo [13:57] aargh : http://pastebin.ca/1802649 [13:59] hmmm, on the new Kubuntu.org website KDE is still K Desktop Enviroment ... that is not politically correct anymore :) [14:00] good point [14:02] MelisU: updated [14:03] Riddell: You are the best! (Everybody knows that, but it needs to be said every so often ;) [14:04] Riddell: where is the module loacted after installation> [14:04] same place as all the kcontrol modules [14:04] system settings [14:05] cant find it [14:05] finally [14:07] lol....everything greyed out :P [14:07] shtylman: so have the buttons at the bottom been changed around? [14:19] * Riddell removes soprano-backend-sesame from archive [14:21] shtylman: did your libplasma3 issue go away? [14:24] argh... pbuilder failed again [14:24] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1802675 [14:24] do i need another mirror? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:28] shadeslayer: try a plain chroot: debootstrap lucid lucid [14:28] Riddell: just that command? [14:29] yes [14:29] (i have a karmic machine) [14:29] s/lucid/karmic/ if you want to build on karmic [14:29] ok [14:46] how is update working in kpackagekit for lucid users? seems to be giving me silly errors about packages not being upgraded versions [14:47] shtylman: have you thought about the netbook installer slideshow at all? [15:09] agateau: I don't know it you are aware of it but check kde bug 226434 [15:09] KDE bug 226434 in general "Knotes crash on close" [Crash,Resolved: downstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226434 [15:09] agateau: and "hi" :) [15:09] Tonio_: "hi" and fixed :) [15:10] agateau: so I just have to wait then [15:10] agateau: anything to upload to get it fixed ? [15:11] agateau: cause I can still reproduce here :) [15:11] Tonio_: you need libindicate-qt 0.2.2 [15:11] err [15:11] libdbusmenu-qt 0.2.2 [15:12] agateau: okay looks like it's not available in the repos yet :) [15:13] Riddell: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/shadeslayer/pbuilder/karmic dpkg --force-overwrite --force-confold --skip-same-version --install [15:13] wow... i tried 4 times already :P [15:15] apparently some pacakages are missing... :P [15:18] Riddell: ok after that command i use pbuilder as normal? [15:18] or some else needs to be done? [15:19] shadeslayer: then you copy the packaging into the chroot and use sudo chroot to enter the chroot [15:19] then build as normal [15:20] Riddell: hmm.. and for updating the chroot? [15:20] apt-get update or rm -r and build fresh [15:20] Riddell: gah... cant build fresh :P [15:21] Riddell: i have to copy the whole source into the folder right? [15:22] yes [15:24] hmm... and then use pbuilder with the .dsc files.... got it,thanks :) [15:24] no need for pbuilder [15:24] pbuilder is just an automated way of making a chroot like this [15:25] oh.. then how do i build the .deb in the chroot? [15:25] debuild? [15:25] ooh pretty new website [15:26] yeah nice job ryanakca [15:28] jjesse: maco2 we still need good artwork in the background :) [16:01] lol my bosses are complaining about icons splattered all over their screens and wish they were organized into nice "panes" like in win 3.1 [16:02] haha [16:06] agateau: took me a second to work out what KSNI is, you know it's a bad API when you have to make it into an acronym [16:06] Riddell: sorry for that :) [16:07] I usually write it fully once before abbreviating it, did I miss it this time? [16:07] shtylman_: i've been meaning to play around more with plasma on windows to see if maybe it'd suit their needs, but i feel like the integration with windows is not that great [16:08] yea [16:08] yuriy_work: I think you can still start the old 3.1 UI [16:08] that doesn't surprise me [16:08] yuriy_work: it's named progman or something [16:08] agateau: in XP? that'd be a neat trick, i'll have to try [16:08] yuriy_work: yes in XP [16:09] but really it just makes me think wow folderview really wasn't a solution looking for a problem [16:10] or, better even, that it's actually a pattern people want [16:10] indeed [16:10] keep the icon trash in a box! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:48] could a core-dev sponsor the merge in bug 514110 please? (apply the patch to the debian libssh) [16:48] Launchpad bug 514110 in libssh "doesn't support AES CTR modes" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514110 [16:51] * Riddell in release team meeting currently, can do after [16:59] neat, thanks [17:09] Riddell: aptcc copyright file is wrong :P btw was you that pointed out a bug in package descriptions, I have just got it right now... but i can't find the bug page... [17:14] I don't remember that [17:15] JontheEchidna: was you that said bzr description had wrong output in aptcc? [17:17] Riddell: http://nakkel.pp.fi/kubuntu-org1.jpg [17:18] markey: I did not know we were competing :P [17:18] I would have invested more energy :D [17:20] Tm_T: dood, you broke our website [17:20] Riddell: re kpk updated magic ... the apt backend does it, it invokes the regular upgrade checking stuffs and then just upstreams the information to the UI or something [17:20] Riddell: then the UI calls the upgrade script you mentioned to invoke the actual upgrade process [17:20] apachelogger: yes I see it, but 1) never believe upgrade checking until you've seen it with your own eyes 2) I don't know if it takes into account LTS 3) the upgrade script needs fixing for Kubuntu [17:21] Riddell: that's how Konqueror renders it (:) [17:21] dantti: UDS in May in Belgium by the way if you fancy coming [17:21] Tm_T: not here it isn't [17:21] Riddell: with khtml, that is [17:21] mm, I am in webkit [17:21] ye [17:22] seems fine in khtml too [17:22] weird [17:22] rather [17:22] friends Karmic 4.4 (that screenshot) an my trunk build both fails similarly [17:22] anyone able to verify? [17:23] Riddell: I'm a bit far from Belgium ... [17:23] Riddell: I had same rendering problem at home [17:23] Riddell: can you try khtml without cache? [17:23] mine was in chromium [17:24] dantti: there will be sponsorship available [17:24] shtylman_: aye well, if you use obscure browsers... :) [17:24] Tm_T: still fine without cache [17:25] * shadeslayer finds out that rekonq just broke :( [17:25] Riddell: as it looks fine for me _after_ viewing it with webkit (:) [17:26] * Riddell pokes shtylman_ for an answer on the button swapping question [17:26] Riddell: right, how do we get that, oh I now it's harder to go with my 2 kids and wife :P but maybe... [17:27] shtylman_: looks fine in chromium too (version in lucid) [17:27] dantti: wait for the announcement [17:28] which usually comes via jono's blog for some reason [17:28] k, thanks [17:29] Riddell: what question is that? [17:29]