[00:01] <hemant> Another problem is I get error on apt-get upgrade,. the error is for package yaws
[00:01] <hemant> The error is yaws: Depends: erlang-nox (>= 1:13.b.1-dfsg) but it is not installed
[00:02] <hemant> apt-get -f install errors with dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/yaws_1.84-2_i386.deb (--unpack)
[00:03] <DasEi> hemant: boot into safemode, netroot for dhcp, dpkg-reconfigure -a to get keyb back ,then exit back to recoveryconsole , dpkg.. to fix your apt
[00:03] <cef> hemant: tried installing erlang-nox? that might tell you more
[00:04] <hemant> cef: erlang-nox error : E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[00:04] <ppine> :( also empathy isnt working anymore.
[00:04] <RAOF> Again, anything which adds an indicator to the indicator menu will not work.
[00:04] <wgrant> Ah, so that's why everything is crashing.
[00:04] <RAOF> That means at least evolution, empathy, and gwibber.
[00:05] <RAOF> Right.
[00:05] <wgrant> That probably belongs in the topic.
[00:05] <hemant> DasEi: can i run it when I am logged in (I managed to login by enabling the virtual keyboard)
[00:05] <RAOF> Probably, yes.
[00:06] <DasEi> hemant: no, but can go there by sudo init 1 (hopefully), gimme a second, I'll try before
[00:06] <hemant> DasEi: I am trying it anyways :)
[00:08] <hemant> DasEi: it did a few things and at the end I got this error Error! Cannot locate /usr/src/applesmc-0.14.4.dkms.tar.gz.
[00:09] <DasEi> hemant: the dpkg ?
[00:09] <DasEi> init 1 works, by the way
[00:17] <DrHalan> was teh sound really fixed?
[00:18] <wgrant> It works for me.
[00:19] <cef> anyone here running server? suggestions on how to get around a cyclic dependency when upgrading from karmic between mountall and libplymouth2 (yes, using do-release-upgrade -d) ??
[00:20]  * cef listens to the chirping of birds and insects that is the response to his question.
[00:21] <RAOF> Give it a while.  Not everyone's frantically scanning IRC waiting for a new message to devour.
[00:25] <DanaG> hmm, is there any utility that'll lock / suspend a computer at a specified time of day / night?
[00:25] <cef> RAOF: well, the bug has been open now since the 29th of Jan.. so ......
[00:28] <cef> RAOF: but yeah, been used to irc for about 17 yrs.. ;)
[00:31] <DrHalan> i really have no sound since this afternoon ...
[00:32] <DanaG> hmm, check if your alsamixer sliders are muted.
[00:32] <DanaG> For some reason, mine were.
[00:33] <robin0800> Dr
[00:34] <robin0800> DanaG: no sound here all day
[00:35] <hemant> the program upoward exited abnormally?
[00:35] <wgrant> DanaG: Mine were strange too.
[00:36] <hemant> Hi,
[00:36] <hemant> Since upgrade to lucid, vimperator on firefox errors for commands like open and tabopen
[00:38] <DanaG> weird... login window has a "minimize" button.
[00:39] <virtuald_> telepathy-butterfly lose messages
[00:39] <virtuald_> have anyone noticed?
[00:40] <wgrant> virtuald: I've tried to move to Empathy many times in the past year ,and had to give up every time after butterfly just dropped messages in various circumstances.
[00:40] <wgrant> Most recently yesterday.
[00:40] <virtuald> :/
[00:40] <wgrant> I should try to reproduce it today now I have time.
[00:41] <wgrant> I just sit there with Pidgin on one account and Empathy on another, and send messages until it breaks after about 30 seconds.
[00:41] <wgrant> Yay, libindicate is unbroken.
[00:41] <virtuald> great, can i be of any help?
[00:42] <bjorkintosh> anyone running skype?
[00:43] <DanaG> argh, intel netbook... now compiz won't run.
[00:43] <DanaG> Exact output from console:
[00:43] <DanaG> Launching fallback window manager
[00:43] <DanaG> ... that's it.  Just that one line.
[00:44] <ni1s> there's a fallback window manager?
[00:44] <DanaG> metacity.
[00:44] <hemant> DanaG: I struggle slightly to get compiz to work on macbook pro
[00:44] <DanaG> oh, I see: could not stat() file: /usr/lib/compiz/libcore.so
[00:44] <DanaG> No such file or directory.
[00:44] <ni1s> oh right
[00:44] <wgrant> virtuald: In what situation did it lose messages for you?
[00:45] <cef> DanaG: what does 'ls /usr/lib/compiz/libcore.so*' say?
[00:45] <ni1s> not that I would call metacity a window manager
[00:45] <DanaG> File isn't there.
[00:46] <cef> DanaG: sounds like a dependency issue then
[00:48] <DanaG> weird.
[00:48] <DanaG> !find libcore.so
[00:48] <virtuald> wgrant: i was chatting on msn..  maybe something crashed, it sometimes do
[00:51] <virtuald> where do i set font sizes that are not in the appearance applet?
[01:15] <bjorkintosh> is it possible to make alsa the default for the latest skype?
[01:15] <bjorkintosh> it seems to prefer pulse...
[01:16] <bjorkintosh> (or where do i download the previous working beta)
[01:16] <crimsun> pulse should work fine; if it doesn't, please file a bug
[01:16] <crimsun> please note that alsa-lib is currently borked; I uploaded a fix a few minutes ago, and it's building now
[01:16] <DrHalan> bjorkintosh: loook at the topic alsa is broken. if alsa works pulse wil wokr too
[01:16] <DanaG> oh yeah, if I wanted to get my CM106 card's bug fixed... who would I send such a card to?
[01:16] <DrHalan> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:16] <bjorkintosh> alsa's working just fine. i can hear everything else.
[01:17] <bjorkintosh> but, in skype, it completely ignores or garbles the microphone's input, even though the mic works.
[01:17] <cef> Anyone here running server? Any suggestions on how to get around a cyclic dependency when upgrading from karmic between mountall and libplymouth2 (yes, using do-release-upgrade -d) ??
[01:17] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: current lucid?
[01:17] <bjorkintosh> crimsun, yes.
[01:17] <bjorkintosh> i did an update less than an hour ago.
[01:18] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: can you get a verbose pa debug log for me to look at?
[01:18] <crimsun> wiki/PulseAudio/Log
[01:18] <bjorkintosh> how do i get the output for you?
[01:18] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: pastebin would be fine
[01:18] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: the shortened url for you to read is pasted above
[01:19] <bjorkintosh> well, how do i generate the output from skype?
[01:19] <bjorkintosh> ... or while running skype.
[01:19] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: any way you normally would
[01:20] <crimsun> bjorkintosh: if it's garbling because of pulse, then I need pulse diagnostics, which is what the verbose debug log provides
[01:20] <crimsun> anyhow, I'm busy ATM fixing ALSA breakage, but I'll poke my head back in in a half-hour.
[01:20] <bjorkintosh> alright.
[01:20] <crimsun> DanaG: anyone who is willing to fix it ;)
[01:21] <bjorkintosh> i'll figure out some way to get it to spit out some output.
[01:22] <cef> bjorkintosh: you know about the echo call service on skype?
[01:22] <wgrant> virtuald: So, I can see butterfly losing messages once the switchboard closes the conversation.
[01:23] <wgrant> virtuald: (the server times things out after a couple of minutes, then the connection has to be reestablished)
[01:23] <wgrant> If I send a message from another client, it reaches butterfly but not Empathy.
[01:23] <Saint_laptop> Is Lynx going to have any major improvements?
[01:23] <bjsnider> no
[01:24] <bjsnider> not a one
[01:24] <Saint_laptop> No need for that.
[01:24] <cef> mainly stability improvements.
[01:24] <bjorkintosh> cef, yeah, i've been testing it.
[01:24] <bjorkintosh> and it's completely skipping the mic's output it seems.
[01:25] <wgrant> I was wondering why someone would be asking about improvements in a CLI browser...
[01:25] <DanaG> Weird, similar thing happened to me: my input volume is nearly zero.
[01:25] <DanaG> Used to be fine.
[01:25] <DanaG> I'm not sure when it changed.
[01:25] <cef> wgrant: :P
[01:26] <virtuald> o.o
[01:26] <cef> damn upgrade bugs.. I'd be testing out lucid if I could only upgrade. *sigh* - ok enough whinging from me
[01:47] <DrHalan> crimsun: how is fixing the ALSA package goin?
[01:52] <DanaG> weird... login window has a minimize button.
[01:52] <DrHalan> DanaG: yeah tahts what i thought too
[01:52] <DrHalan> gdm is becoming kinda wierd
[01:52] <syn-ack> becoming?
[01:55] <DanaG> argh, stupid bluetooth thingy... lets me disable BT, but doesn't let me re-enable it.
[01:55] <DanaG> Or rather, doesn't do so reliably.
[01:56] <DrHalan> syn-ack: well they removed all the skin-possibilities and added window manager stuff taht nobody needs
[01:56] <syn-ack> Thats what I'm talking about... Becoming?
[01:56] <DrHalan> well teh minimize stuff was added recently.. i think last night?
[01:57] <DrHalan> who knows waht will be there next
[01:57] <syn-ack> This is one one app that I wish Canonical would have left alone on the move from Jaunty to Karmic
[01:57] <syn-ack> Thats just my two cents though
[01:58] <syn-ack> I'm in the process of moving up right now, 139 total that need to be upgraded
[01:58] <DrHalan> thats one app i wish canoncial would finally replace with a homebrew app.
[01:58] <DrHalan> instead of a stupid software center etc..
[01:58] <syn-ack> Well, they can theoretically make money off the Software Center
[01:59] <cef> syn-ack: j to k, or k to l?
[01:59] <syn-ack> cef: well both, I suppose
[01:59] <ni1s> software kiosks seem to be in vouge
[02:00] <syn-ack> I kinda wish we could have retained the version that was already three versions old at the time jaunty came out
[02:00] <DanaG> ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
[02:00] <cef> syn-ack: ahh.. I've done j to k on a server in the last week, but can't do k to l because of a bug in the upgrade process for server. :(
[02:00] <syn-ack> hah, nice
[02:01] <DrHalan> syn-ack: there is a gdm-2.20 package
[02:01] <DrHalan> maybe try taht?
[02:01] <syn-ack> well personally I'm waiting to redeploy me servers until this goes final... this is just my test machine
[02:01] <syn-ack> rather dev
[02:01] <cef> syn-ack: so is this.. , but server install, not desktop.
[02:02] <syn-ack> Oooooh I'm going to get locked out of my machine?
[02:02] <syn-ack> libpam upgrade here we come!
[02:02] <cef> only if you have libpam customisations afaik
[02:03] <syn-ack> Alright, so I'm assuming with such a large release of updates we're now in the Alpha three stage?
[02:03] <cef> if not a3, it's very soon. wiki still says a2 afaik
[02:03] <syn-ack> ah
[02:04] <syn-ack> I havent looked in a bit, I was merely assuming because like I said, of the size of the update
[02:04] <DanaG> stupid ureadahead.
[02:04] <DanaG> ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4
[02:05] <syn-ack> hey, does anyone know if plymouth was upgraded with the rest of the packages so I can go ahead and reinstall it
[02:05] <syn-ack> I uninstalled it due to it crashing gdm upon boot
[02:07] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts
[02:07] <cef> syn-ack: my dependency issue for server is between mountall and libplymouth2 - *sigh*
[02:07] <DanaG> All my bootcharts are really really big.
[02:08] <syn-ack> cef: yeah, I noticed that here too, which is why I just removed the executable and not the lib as well
[02:08] <syn-ack> it would have uninstalled my whole desktop
[02:08] <DanaG> ureadahead doesn't work for me.
[02:08] <DanaG> DOesn't even show up in bootchart.
[02:08] <cef> still broken. :(
[02:08] <cef> (just tried to upgrade again)
[02:08] <syn-ack> thats stupid, DanaG
[02:09] <syn-ack> ok, brb, gotta reboot into my environment
[02:09] <syn-ack> brb, again
[02:14] <syn-ack> nice. had a broken upgrade which made me have to re run do-dist-upgrade, apparently
[02:14] <syn-ack> but this seems to have had an x display to it so I'm not entirely sure what it was... never have seen it before
[02:14] <cef> do-dist-upgrade?
[02:15] <syn-ack> it was a "partial upgrade"
[02:16] <cef> ahh ok.. just never seen do-dist-upgrade at all, nor can I find it on karmic
[02:16] <syn-ack> its proper name is "do-release-upgrade"
[02:16] <cef> ahh, ;)
[02:16] <cef> that I am familiar with. ;)
[02:16] <syn-ack> see, I'm used to doing it via the console and not with a gui
[02:17] <cef> yeah, same
[02:17] <syn-ack> They seem to have some really nice post-inst scripting with this upgrade though
[02:18] <cef> I'd love to see it (stupid bug, mumble mumble)
[02:18] <syn-ack> seemed to have done a much more thorough job on the update this time around
[02:20] <syn-ack> Man, I'm really starting to buy all the "This is going to be a killer release" hype
[02:20] <cef> hrm, there is a later version of update-manager-core in lucid.. wonder if that would fix my cyclic issue.. hrm
[02:20] <syn-ack> cef: what version are you running?
[02:20] <syn-ack> Installed: 1:0.132
[02:20] <syn-ack>   Candidate: 1:0.132
[02:20] <cef> karmic's atm, 1:0.126.9
[02:21] <syn-ack> That's what I'm running here.
[02:21] <cef> yeah, that is what is in lucid
[02:21] <cef> but still on karmic but trying to upgrade. :/
[02:21] <syn-ack> cef: did you follow these directions?
[02:21] <syn-ack> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[02:21] <cef> might have a look at the changelog
[02:22] <syn-ack> Read what that tell you, it's specific to server
[02:23] <cef> syn-ack: yeah.. usign the server/cli method.. get a cyclic dependency with mountall and libplymouth2
[02:24] <cef> syn-ack: logged a 'me too' on an existing bug #514012
[02:24] <syn-ack> ah
[02:26] <cef> but cos my sources are now all lucid, I can see lucid packages.. least if I do up update-manager-core, it doesn't want to install a new libc6 as well
[02:27] <RAOF> cef: Having looked at that, I can't see where the circular dependency is.  libplymouth2 certainly doesn't have any dependency on mountall.
[02:29] <cef> RAOF: yeah.. :/
[02:30] <syn-ack> I havent seen something stupid like that since Red Hat
[02:31] <cef> ahh ok.. I think mountall has a dependency on libc6 < 2.11, but 2.11.1 is in lucid
[02:32] <cef> libplymouth2 I think is just getting caught in the cross-fire\
[02:33] <syn-ack> cef: time for some pinning magic from what it sounds
[02:34] <cef> ahh.. old karmic mountall vs lucid mountall and libplymouth2 (mountall depends on this version of libplymouth2, which can't be installed till libc6 and mountall are installed, which causes a loop
[02:35] <cef> aptitude don't like it either.. fun fun fun
[02:36] <syn-ack> pin it
[02:36] <syn-ack> easy fix
[02:36] <cef> pin and then run 'do-release-upgrade -d' - will that even work?
[02:37] <syn-ack> hrm
[02:37] <syn-ack> I was thinking of installing them while it's karmic then upgrade
[02:38] <cef> actually i'll check for libplymouth2 in karmic.. time to fix my sources
[02:38] <syn-ack> though, in all reality you still shouldnt have to do that when firing off the upgrade script
[02:39] <cef> yup.
[02:40] <cef> but hey, if I can add a work-around to the bug, it might allow them to fix it
[02:41] <cef> hrm, no libplymouth* in karmic.. ho hum
[02:42] <syn-ack> Not surprising
[02:42] <cef> yeah, thought it was a long shot
[02:43] <syn-ack> which is why I suggested pinning your libc, upgrading it then doing the rest from there
[02:43] <cef> yeah.. I'll look at that.. for the moment, work calls. :/
[02:46] <DanaG> weird... pulseaudio isn't using my hardware volume slider anymore.
[02:47] <syn-ack> DanaG: Shame. Maybe that's it's way of telling you that it doesnt want to be on your system anymore and that you should remove it and go with pure alsa. ;)
[02:47] <DanaG> Pure alsa sucks at dealing with multiple audio devices.
[02:48] <DanaG> And PulseAudio is awesome as long as it's working... and the percent of time that is true, is gradually increasing.
[02:48] <DanaG> It's awesome being able to have web audio go to onboard speakers and music go to externals, at the same time... and then I can mute the internal on-the-fly.
[02:54] <maxb> Anyone have woes playing DVDs on lucid?
[02:54] <un214> haven't tried in a few days
[02:55] <un214> until about a week ago no problem, then apt-get upgrade removed kde
[02:55] <un214> had some trouble putting it back as it thought it was uninstallable
[02:56] <DanaG> Always double-check what apt wants to do... I would've just not let it remove stuff like that.
[02:56] <maxb> Hmm.... my woes centre on gstreamer, so I guess KDE wouldn't have been affected
[02:56] <un214> it scrolled off my screen
[02:56] <maxb> aptitude for the win
[02:57] <un214> The [removed] header was lost as the removed list was longer than the screen, I thought update all these
[02:57] <DanaG> ah.
[02:57] <DanaG> aptitude summarizes at the end:
[02:57] <DanaG> "50 to be removed", or whatever.
[02:57] <un214> it did I just didn't figure out that the 100 to be removed was kde as there were also 200 to update
[03:04] <DanaG> anyway, try the aptitude ncurses UI.
[03:04] <DanaG> It's rather nifty.
[03:05] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, I am not sure if ubunbtu has control over this but I have not had sound for over 2 years and I have NVidia HDA card that requires a Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) codec.
[03:06] <CPrgmSwR2> I have filed a bug and am wondering if there is somewhere else I can go with it
[03:14] <Viper1432> So I'm guessing the last batch of updates buggered up sound...as in my laptop now shows a constant mute light and no audio after  the last batch of updates. ?
[03:15] <cef> Viper1432: there appear to be a lot of issues with sound, yes. can't help you fix them myself, but i have seen it mentioned a lot
[03:17] <Viper1432> Oh not sweating it cef , was just double checking.  Up until this last go-round,  Lucid hasn't had any sound issues at all.  I thought I saw crimsun  mentioning something to do with alsalib earlier, but its scrolled outta the buffer over here.
[03:18] <Viper1432> clarifying my last to mean:  no issues on my x1000 laptop or x2 dualcore box.  :D
[04:02] <LADmaticCA> anyone else lost sound in firefox?
[04:04] <CPrgmSwR2> I have no sound
[04:06] <LADmaticCA> CPrgmSwR2, no sound in firefox or just no sound in general?
[04:19] <h00k> So, Me Menu -> Broadcast Accounts doesn't work yet, correct? Or is this a bug I'm having?
[04:25] <Takyoji> I have the same issue
[04:26] <Takyoji> Most likely still under development or something of that nature
[04:27] <DanaG> argh, volume thingy in indicator-applet-complete doesn't respond to mouse wheel.... and it REMOVES the normal volume thingy!
[04:27] <DanaG> "Broadcast Accounts..."
[04:28] <DanaG> "..." implies it should bring up a dialog of some sort.
[04:28] <DanaG> But, it does nothing.
[04:28] <Takyoji> they're probably working on the dialog yet
[04:58] <robin0800> is anyone fixing the alsa-lib bug or is it now fixed bug#523716
[05:00] <crimsun> it's already fixed
[05:00] <crimsun> it's just awaiting mirroring
[05:00] <crimsun> i.e., should be available in the next couple hours
[05:01] <robin0800> crimsun: many thanks
[05:02] <crimsun> it's available from LP if you're really anxious
[05:02] <robin0800> crimsun: how do I get it ?
[05:23] <robin0800> crimsun: got it think it installed allright but the laptop mute light is still on hence no sound still.
[05:23] <vish> hmm , why doesnt gnome-panel restart when you kill it?
[05:25] <DanaG> yeah. something's weird with interactions with alsamixer.
[05:26] <DanaG> Check alsamixer -- mine was all muted.
[05:26] <ZykoticK9> vish, bug 522047 "Fix Committed"
[05:26] <vish> ZykoticK9: ah , thanks
[05:27] <robin0800> DanaG: mine seems to be OK
[05:41] <crimsun> robin0800: I just uploaded the pulseaudio fix for that.
[05:41] <crimsun> you need to be patient; it takes a bit to build and publish to mirrors
[05:45] <Viper1432> I'm in the same boat regarding that audio control.  The mouse wheel up/down is sorely missed....and didn't the horizontal slide get tried a few releases back only to go back to vertical?
[05:47] <DanaG> I also wish there were a ctrl+volumeup to control volume on secondary sound cards.
[05:48] <DanaG> might wanna' take out the http://
[05:48] <DanaG> I wish I could use the volume keys on my usb sound card to control the volume OF the usb sound card.
[05:49] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, problem with the link at the end of Topic there
[05:49] <RAOF> Woot!  My crazy compressed USB speaker volume has been fixed.
[05:50] <DanaG> hence the "might wanna' take out the http:// " bit.
[05:56] <DanaG> yay, now the first few bits all fit within my topic bar in pidgin.
[05:56] <DanaG> Cool.
[05:56] <cef> crimsun: I've been trying to update to lucid (from a server install of karmic using 'do-release-upgrade -d' ) and I keep getting a circular dependency with mountall and libplymouth2 - any clues?
[05:57] <cef> (anyone can answer that if they know the answer of course)
[05:59] <HeMan> cef: I had to update libc6 and libc-bin by hand
[06:00] <cef> HeMan: that makes sense
[06:00] <HeMan> cef: i did "cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i libc6* libc-bin*"
[06:01] <cef> HeMan: did you then do 'do-release-upgrade -d' after that?
[06:01] <DanaG> speaking of plymouth: it irks me that there's not even so much as a throbber animation.
[06:01] <DanaG> There's no way to tell the system isn't "dead" during boot.
[06:02] <HeMan> cef: I first did a do-release-upgrade -d, got the dependency-problem, then installed libc6 and libc-bin followed by an aptitude
[06:03] <cef> ahh ok. I'll try using do-release-upgrade again after using dpkg. see if that works.
[06:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/plymouth/+bug/496774
[06:04] <DanaG> "                 Since plymouth is not installed by  default, you wouldn't expect to have it.        "
[06:04] <DanaG> Seems wrong to me.
[06:05] <DanaG> At least I have a heartbeat LED. =þ
[06:05] <DanaG> So if my kernel ever dies... I can tell it's dead.
[06:06] <cef> HeMan: looks like it's working. :D
[06:06] <HeMan> cef: cool!
[06:07] <HeMan> I try to install drbd8-source and it tries to compile via dkms but it fails to build
[06:13] <cef> HeMan: ta for that. added an update to #514012 (which is the bug for that error btw), so mebbe a dev can make something of it. ;) Now i can get back to futzing with kvm and libvirt. ;)
[06:39] <syn-ack> HeMan: thats what I told him to do too. :/
[06:41] <syn-ack> DanaG1: check my response on that plymouth bug
[06:43] <cef> syn-ack: in a slightly different way.. but yeah.. had time finally and bit the bullet. you're both to thank
[06:44] <cef> damn work keeps getting in the way of me getting things done. :(
[06:44] <syn-ack> cef: no prob. I know that it's a nasty hack but for the time being it gets the job done
[06:44] <cef> :D
[06:45] <syn-ack> Again, I think something is up with either the script, which there shouldnt be or the tarball with the info in it that update manager downloads
[06:45] <cef> yeah .. I think the bug should definitely be against update-manager-core rather than mountall
[06:46] <syn-ack> That depends
[06:46] <syn-ack> it could very well be something with the package too
[06:46] <syn-ack> cef: as in the template info was entered wrong for the reqs and the prereqs
[06:46] <syn-ack> which is very very likely as well
[06:46] <cef> syn-ack: possibly..
[06:47] <kklimonda> good morning :)
[06:48] <syn-ack> Now that I've potentially started a holy war with questioning someone on a bug entry, I'm quite curious as to how this is going to turn out
[06:48] <syn-ack> hiyas kklimonda
[06:50] <cef> syn-ack: which bug?
[06:50] <syn-ack> 496774
[06:50] <syn-ack> I'm curious as to why he would say that it's not installed by default when it clearly is
[06:51] <syn-ack> I mean, I've had to go and remove it since it was so buggy
[06:51] <kklimonda> bug 496774
[06:52] <cef> yeah well I see nothing at boot till I Ctrl-Alt-F1 after things have started
[06:53] <syn-ack> And, iirc there is or at least was an fsck progressbar in plymouth
[06:54] <cef> keep hitting Ctrl-Alt-F1 at boot and occasionally you'll see a progress bar.. but nothing else
[06:55] <syn-ack> so, am I the only one to which his response made absolutely no sense?
[06:56] <DanaG1> I get the high-cpu-ness of big animations... but something like a line that goes like this, might work:
[06:56] <DanaG1> .       ..              ...     ....
[06:56] <DanaG1> that is, marching ellipsis.
[06:56] <cef> syn-ack: nup. unless of course it's marked from removal as a default but that hasn't been acted on
[06:56] <DanaG1> Wouldn't need to be big and fancy.
[06:58] <syn-ack> cef: why would it be marked for removal if they've spent all this time on it so far trying to get it to work? I mean, if they didnt think they could get it to work, they certainly wouldnt have included it on an LTS
[07:01] <cef> syn-ack: not my call.. but yeah. oh well.
[07:01] <cef> syn-ack: well, there's my 2 cents (since it affects me too)
[07:02] <syn-ack> Man, I kinda hope they just remove the damn thing and go back to usplash, imo
[07:03] <cef> ok.... home time for me. later
[07:04] <tgpraveen12> is sites like meebo.com opening for everyone especially on chromium beta ppa?
[07:04] <tgpraveen12> some sites especially those depenedent on flash seem to not work from past 1-2 days
[07:16] <tgpraveen12> please could seomeone try to open meebo.com and check
[07:16] <tgpraveen12> vish: ^^
[07:17] <syn-ack> meebo works here
[07:18] <tgpraveen12> on chromium
[07:18] <tgpraveen12> ?
[07:20] <kuadrosx> tgpraveen12: I'm having problems with the flash player plugin too :C
[07:20] <tgpraveen12> kuadrosx: since last 1-2 dyas?
[07:20] <tgpraveen12> kuadrosx: any site specifically?
[07:21] <kuadrosx> since yesterday
[07:21] <tgpraveen12> hmm be back after a restart
[07:22] <bullgard> What is the most important between an Ubuntu Beta and an Ubuntu Alpha release?
[07:23] <bullgard> What is the most important difference between an Ubuntu Beta and an Ubuntu Alpha release?
[07:23] <kuadrosx> :O now flash player works fine, weired
[07:24] <jemark> kuadrosx, after reboot?
[07:24] <kuadrosx> nop
[07:24] <rww> syn-ack: It is installed by default, and his reply doesn't make sense to me either :\
[07:25] <crdlb> bullgard: beta is more likely to work?
[07:25] <jemark> any issues with the latest updates?
[07:26] <syn-ack> rww: that was my point. :/
[07:26] <stdisease> So is there a way to make apt db updates retrieve just diffs  instead of whole files?? Are there even diffs to begin with?
[07:26] <RAOF> stdisease: The Ubuntu archive does not generate diffs.
[07:27] <stdisease> RAOF, hmm dang :(
[07:27] <wgrant> Given the frequency of the publisher, it would be less useful than in Debian.
[07:27] <jemark> zsync only
[07:27] <RAOF> When this comes up, testing indicates that unless people update really frequently, the overhead of downloading the many many diffs overwhelms the benefits.
[07:28]  * RAOF is too slow :)
[07:28] <syn-ack> good morning RAOF, wgrant && anyone I forgot to mention
[07:28] <wgrant> Evening syn-ack.
[07:35] <stdisease> Interesting - well I updated 2 or 3 times yesterday probably not considered frequent.
[07:37] <stdisease> Oh, is the fglrx driver likely to be fixed within the next few days? (based on past trends..)
[07:37] <rww> probably not
[07:38] <rww> I assume it's broken in the same way that it has been in the past: lucid has a new version of xorg that requires an fglrx recompile so we're waiting on ATI?
[07:38] <jemark> rww, i use the free driver and works fine
[07:38] <rww> jemark: so do I.
[07:39] <rww> fglrx and I have a troubled past, I steer clear of it these days.
[07:40] <mr-russ> I have a vm, lucid alpha2 + updates.  I have nagios installed, if I enable a snmp plugin, the server jumps to the year 2594 at random (1-2 days) intervals.  The machine is basically unusable after that as you can't login.
[07:40] <mr-russ> how might I debug such a situation?
[07:40] <syn-ack> rww: explain to me why ATi makes such good hardware and such a lousy driver? ;)
[07:40] <stdisease> Oh dear a time machine
[07:40] <syn-ack> That sounds fun. :/
[07:41] <rww> syn-ack: xserver-xorg-video-radeon works fine for me :)
[07:41] <mr-russ> It was fun enough to get to discover it was snmp.  Waiting a day each time to see if we have timetravelled.
[07:41] <syn-ack> rww: I use Intel cards anymoe
[07:41] <syn-ack> more, too
[07:42] <mr-russ> I've tried valgrind, but I'm not sure if I know the settings to ensure it picks out of bounds writes properly.  Plus I'll need to run that in a loop.  So I probably need to know the output to look for.  That's if that's the correct tool.
[07:42] <stdisease> mr-russ, no idea but you could perhaps start by looking at the application's bug tracker see if any issue or fixes have been reported
[07:43] <mr-russ> I did look at snmp, and nagios. no dice so far.
[07:44] <stdisease> xserver-xorg-video-radeon is working without problems for me too, but I'm not doing much with the hardware either.
[07:45] <stdisease> hmm new fglrx release 2 days ago
[07:47] <stdisease> Ooh, anyone having problem with the entire system/kernel freezing when you shutdown/restart ?
[07:47] <stdisease> I can't see if it actually panics or whatever because of the debian splash screen but that's next
[07:48] <stdisease> *ubuntu splash
[07:49] <stdisease> huh it's a know bug
[07:50] <syn-ack> which one? The Plymouth bug?
[07:50] <syn-ack> which bug are you talking about? Which number?
[07:52] <stdisease> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/506418 - but in my case not just on the live CD
[07:53] <syn-ack> Ah, yeah
[07:53] <jemark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/523949
[07:53] <syn-ack> I'd have thought they'd have had that fixed by now
[07:53] <stdisease> in the installed system itself, everytime without failure
[07:53] <stdisease> without failure to fail, that its
[08:01] <stdisease> ATI seem to be producing decent hardware these days, it's a shame their drivers are junk
[08:01] <syn-ack> stdisease: been that way for years, man.
[08:02] <stdisease> NV are way ahead in that dept, recently supporting FreeBSD amd64 that's a move I can appreciate
[08:03] <stdisease> syn-ack, add insult to injury, they drop support for older hardware in new catalyst, and their older drivers aren't compatible with new kernels..
[08:04] <syn-ack> nVidias done the same thing.
[08:04] <stdisease> don't they release updated legacy drivers once in awhile?
[08:05] <syn-ack> they don't support current versions of x
[08:06] <stdisease> hmm
[08:07] <syn-ack> Anyone know of a page which merely lists all of the available PPAs for Ubuntu
[08:08] <syn-ack> ?
[08:08] <syn-ack> nm
[08:09] <stdisease> even the release notes for the new catalyst 10.2 is inaccessible!
[08:09] <stdisease> Amateurs I say!
[08:12] <nzmm> syn-ack:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[08:12] <syn-ack> nzmm: I saw that. which is why I said, "nm"
[08:13] <syn-ack> I was kinda hoping that it would display literally all the ppas at one time though
[08:21] <ppine> Yay we got sound
[08:21]  * ppine = ashamed after finding out the amplificator was set on another channel ... no wonder there wouldnt be any sound :D
[08:22] <Ian_Corne> :)
[08:23] <nzmm> sound is good
[08:27] <Ian_Corne> well syn-ack I'm running a 6200 nvidia card and it still works
[08:27] <Ian_Corne> i know a friend with an ati that's not as old and his support is gone :p
[08:28] <syn-ack> Throw a Riva in there and try using the drivers
[08:35] <stdisease> Ian_Corne, same thing
[08:36] <stdisease> the module just fails to compile because of kernel API incompatibilities - didn't even get to the part where you have to override stuff for Xorg
[08:37] <stdisease> Luckily the open source radeon is much more production grade than nv/nouveau
[08:43] <BUGabundo_remote> hey o/
[08:46] <syn-ack> stdisease: I still prefer Intel anymore
[08:46] <syn-ack> 100 % production grade out of the box
[08:47] <bullgard> crdlb: Certainly. I'd like to know this a litte bit more precisely.
[08:48] <stdisease> syn-ack, yep, I also discarded the old ati and reverted to integrated intel
[08:49] <crdlb> bullgard: can you be more specific about what you want to know?
[08:51] <crdlb> traditionally, a beta is largely feature complete and ready for end user testing
[09:13] <bullgard> crdlb: I would like to get a feeling what programs are likely not to break and function and what progrograms not when I use a Beta release compared with an Alpha release.
[09:23] <crdlb> bullgard: how can anyone possibly predict that?
[09:26] <stdisease>  bullgard : I don't think there's any direct correlation between the release stage and the level of usability
[09:27] <bullgard> stdisease: Ah! Thank you for commenting.
[09:28] <stdisease> You know, I had to.
[09:28] <Viper1432> Anyone else notice the notification status change in the indicator applet causes pidgin to disco accounts thinking that the user is signed in elsewhere?
[09:33] <Viper1432> oh and two thumbs up for the audio updates a bit ago.  laptop is now "back in bowl"!  so ta speak. :D
[09:39] <schmidtm> hi, after the latest updates my laptop freezes as soon as pressing a key on the keyboard
[09:43] <kklimonda> schmidtm: sounds like yet another plymouth related bug
[09:47] <Viper1432> wow. xchat soaking up the cpu.  just filed a bug on it.  like typing in molasses here.  :O
[09:54] <tgpraveen12> Viper1432: same thing happening with me with empathy
[09:54] <tgpraveen12> maybe the problem si somewhere else
[09:54] <tgpraveen12> it started happening with today's update
[09:54] <kklimonda> I wonder if can we do something to discourage people from removing pulse from desktop installations.. maybe make some core library depend on it or something..
[09:57] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: why u want to discourage that
[09:57] <tgpraveen12> many ppl want to remove it who know what they r doing and hate pulse
[09:57] <tgpraveen12> not me though
[09:57] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: I took plymouth off
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm aware of it, but its buggy and wouldn't allow me to use my desktop
[09:58] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: because they hate pulse for the fact that alsa has been buggy two years ago and not because it doesn't work at the moment..
[09:58] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: pulse, not plymouth :)
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: I still hadn't sound last night
[09:58] <Viper1432> personally I like pulse.  simplifies things for me.  this 100% cpu with xchat though.....grrrr.  lol
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> but I'm fine with pulse
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> when it works, it simply works fine
[09:58] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: and even if they have some problems we can't fix them if they just remove pulse
[09:59] <Viper1432> sound was fixed with the last batch of updates...but I did have to use alsamixer to unmute stuff.
[09:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: I got my sound back yesterday but some people at -devel still had problems
[09:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: there were some updates since then so you should check it out :)
[10:00] <jemark> any progress with the gtk 2 issues? high cpu usages...
[10:00] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: and they tell other people to remove pulse to fix their problems even if pulse isn't really at fault in those cases..
[10:00] <tgpraveen12> but i have heard many ppl stories where they removed pulse and things started working again
[10:00] <tgpraveen12> for eg many wine apps
[10:00] <Viper1432> tgpraveen12,  I don't use empathy (never liked it or its interface) but was surprised at the notify status issue.
[10:00] <kklimonda> btw - can you guys check and see if when you drag selected in Firefox with composition/compiz enabled you see text or a gray rectangle?
[10:00] <vish> tgpraveen12: liars ;p
[10:01] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: and I and many other people have been using pulse with wine and other weird applications without any problems.
[10:01] <vish> anyone else noticing Bug 524301 ?
[10:01] <Viper1432> kklimonda,  drag what? with firefox?
[10:01] <vish> oh already invalid :/
[10:01] <jemark> kklimonda, yes i have that
[10:01] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: i get gray recttangle when draging files in nautilius
[10:01] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: and they by removing pulse make it impossible for us to even try fixing it
[10:02] <kklimonda> Viper1432: select text in firefox window (at some page) and then move it
[10:02] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: right
[10:02] <Viper1432> yeah kklimonda  it shows as a grey box.
[10:02] <Viper1432> using full effects compiz here.
[10:03] <kklimonda> same when you rearrange tabs
[10:04] <Viper1432> yes kklimonda  only with the tabs the grey box is much larger.
[10:05] <kklimonda> and LP is timeouting once again
[10:06] <tgpraveen12> ppl using chromium from beta ppa can u open sites like meebo.com
[10:07] <BUGabundo_remote> tgpraveen12: I use daily, and right now, I can't even open it self fine
[10:07] <BUGabundo_remote> but that's another prob
[10:08] <BUGabundo_remote> the new flash 64bits from labs.adobe is a mess too
[10:08] <tgpraveen12> hmm chromium is using 100% cpu for me too  sometimes
[10:08] <BUGabundo_remote> both FF and Chromium get totally killed
[10:08] <tgpraveen12> i am on 32 bit so my prob might be different
[10:08] <jemark> bad flash...
[10:08] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: flash is just a mess
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> the worth part so far I got on my Lucid system: dead GDM on boot
[10:09] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: what is gtk-csd
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> and after a few hours I can't open new Windows
[10:09] <tgpraveen12> come one lets kill flash
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> I hit the limit of open windows some how
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> the only _special_ thing I got that other ppl don't , is FreeNX
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone got a VM where they willing install FreeNX, then open several nautilus and firefox and chromium for 2 hours?
[10:18] <vish> kklimonda: are you using -edgers ppa?  i noticed you reported bug 523949  , there is another bug with high cpu usage i wanted ot confirm
[10:18] <vish> to*
[10:18] <kklimonda> vish: what bug? :)
[10:18] <tgpraveen12> i am not using edgers iand i am getting high cpu usage with empathy,chromium
[10:18] <tgpraveen12> nautilius
[10:18] <kklimonda> vish: and which -edgers? xorg-edgers? :)
[10:19] <vish> kklimonda: Bug 524304 ;)
[10:19] <jemark> is it all related to the gtk 2?
[10:21] <vish> kklimonda: i'm now not sure if it is an -edgers bug ... just wanted to check if you are facing the bug with progressbars.. without xorg-edgers ppa
[10:21] <jemark> is there also a bug for high cpu usage with flash? ;)
[10:21] <kklimonda> hmm, looks like I have edgers ppa disabled for now - only nouveau edgers for some reason.
[10:21] <vish> jemark: when has there not been one ;)
[10:21] <Viper1432> bug 524310
[10:22] <Viper1432> that's mine.  i386 and no ppa's.  this high cpu thing is probably gtk related.
[10:22] <vish> oh an dup ;P
[10:22] <vish> a*
[10:22] <kklimonda> Viper1432: I don't see it..
[10:23] <vish> Viper1432: ATI?
[10:23] <Viper1432> don't see what?
[10:23] <kklimonda> Viper1432: raised cpu usage in xchat after latest gtk+ update
[10:23] <kklimonda> Viper1432: but it may be connected
[10:23] <vish> kklimonda: Viper1432: do you have the graph displayed?
[10:23] <jemark> i use xchat-gnome ;)
[10:23] <kklimonda> no
[10:23] <vish> kklimonda: it happens only with the graph
[10:23] <Viper1432> yep vish
[10:24] <kklimonda> vish: it may be the problem - how to enable it? :)
[10:24] <vish> kklimonda: view  , network meters > graph
[10:24] <kklimonda> that's interesting
[10:24] <vish> Viper1432: change the graph to text and see if it solves the problem
[10:24] <kklimonda> I have it enabled but it doesn't show..
[10:24] <Viper1432> yeah it does vish.  cpu drops instantly.
[10:25] <vish> \o/
[10:25] <kklimonda> oh right, it's hidden :D
[10:25] <Viper1432> lol kklimonda
[10:25] <kklimonda> I always hide user list
[10:25] <Viper1432> aren't they always hidden when first sumitted?
[10:25] <kklimonda> vish: confirmed here too
[10:25] <vish> ah , then it must be all dups of kklimonda's bug
[10:26] <jemark> how to solve the rythmbox issue then?  :)
[10:26] <Viper1432> i thought it was probably something besides xchat itself....it hasn't been updated in a few days afaik
[10:26] <kklimonda> vish: add gtk-csd tag to your bug then
[10:26] <Viper1432> use vlc jemark .  -grins.
[10:26] <vish> kklimonda: do dups need tags? does it really matter :)
[10:27] <kklimonda> jemark: there is no solution other than downgrading gtk
[10:27] <jemark> Viper1432, thanks!
[10:27] <Viper1432> ahh ty kklimonda saw you added the tags to mine.
[10:27] <kklimonda> vish: I'm not sure how are they going to fix it
[10:27] <Viper1432> np jemark . lol
[10:27] <vish>  ah , k..
[10:27] <jemark> kklimonda, i saw that but i have no idea how to downgrade it without breaking stuff
[10:28] <kklimonda> jemark: then don't - you have to go to the /var/cache/apt/archives/ and see if you have older version of gtk still in cache
[10:28] <Viper1432> chances are its temporary anyway jemark.  this stuff was working before the last set of patches...if we wave arms hard enough, they're bound to see it...if they aren't experiencing the issue themselves already. (those who committed the updates.)
[10:29] <kklimonda> jemark: ls -l *2.19.5-1ubuntu2* will show you if you have the older, working version
[10:29] <kklimonda> jemark: then you can downgrade by hand using dpkg
[10:29] <kklimonda> jemark: but you would have to pin all gtk+ packages in apt configuration so they don't get upgraded
[10:29] <jemark> kklimonda, i will check :)
[10:29] <kklimonda> jemark: so if you don't know how than either you'll have to read some (google for apt pinning) or leave it
[10:30] <Viper1432> and why do all of that stuff for an alpha when its gonna get patch hammered within hours again anyway. :D
[10:30] <jemark> Viper1432, yes, ur right. i will just play rhythmbox in the try then
[10:30] <jemark> tray
[10:31] <Viper1432> I prefer banshee myself, but for testing I stick with what's 'built-in' for the most part.  Of course banshee's working just fine over here. -shrugs. :)
[10:32] <jemark> Viper1432, ummm... i say no more ;)
[10:32] <kklimonda> I have switched over to rhythmbox in 10.04 from banshee and I like it now
[10:33] <kklimonda> banshee is getting bloated
[10:33] <Viper1432> notice I said  prefer..."myself".  ;)  banshe has an eq.  iirc rythmbox still does not.
[10:33] <kklimonda> I'd rather see eq. implemented in the PA than in every application
[10:34] <Viper1432> of course I like vlc better than all of the rest of them for streaming audio, as shoutcast is mia on both rthymbox and banshee.
[10:34] <vish> kklimonda: Viper1432: can you confirm the progressbar bug? Bug #524304
[10:34] <Viper1432> will do vish.
[10:34] <vish> ty..
[10:36] <kklimonda> vish: done
[10:37] <Viper1432> and done. vish
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> wonder wonder, ubuntu's firefox comes with yahoo now, with it changing to bing powered, will the deal continue?
[10:37] <vish> hehe , double confirmation neat ;)
[10:37] <tgpraveen12> anyone knws what the gtk-csd thing actually brinmgs new?
[10:38] <Viper1432> lol vish.  actually I "me too'd" as it had just gotten confirmed.  heh heh.
[10:38] <Viper1432> Ian_Corne,  lol. it was yahoo powered for me as well for a grand total of about 2 seconds until I switched it back to google.  snicker.
[10:39] <Viper1432> not knocking canonical makin' some bucks off of mickey-hoo, but I hate yahoo's search engine.  ;)
[10:39] <Viper1432> which means I'm not fond o' bing. :D
[10:40] <vish> Ian_Corne: it was even at the time the deal was formed ;)
[10:40] <vish> Ian_Corne: thats why several said , "Yahoo==bing==M$==evil .. Now i'm leaving" ;p
[10:40] <kklimonda> Ian_Corne: it's not really bing powered
[10:41] <kklimonda> Ian_Corne: it's powered by the same engine that is powering bing
[10:41] <Ian_Corne> Viper1432: i'm willing to give it a go
[10:41] <Viper1432> I ust like the fact that canonical is getting paid by yahell...er...mickeyhoo,, er........for the deal.  That, in my book, is called: "IRONY".  heh heh
[10:42] <kklimonda> Ian_Corne: but to answer your question - the deal will continue for as long as it's profitable for canonical (and probably yahoo)
[10:43] <vish> but the real question is "will it be profitable?"   .... almost everyone would switch back to google so how will it increase the revenue now?
[10:43] <kklimonda> vish: now we should mark your report a dup of 523949 as it has been renamed by seb to a more generic "meta" bug :)
[10:44] <vish> kklimonda: he'd do it eventually i guess ;)
[10:44] <Viper1432> lol. so that makes mine a dup of a dup.  I kinda' like that. :D
[10:44] <vish> kklimonda: but i think he'd track the varied bugs it causes
[10:44] <kklimonda> vish: probably - your call :)
[10:45] <kklimonda> vish: making all other bugs a dup of 523949 is going to ease maintenance though
[10:45] <vish> yeah...
[10:45]  * vish asks seb
[10:51] <kklimonda> btw, for the LTS we get quite a few completely new and untested features :/
[10:52] <Viper1432> lol...noticed that didya kklimonda ?  :D  I was thinking the same thing the other day.
[10:53] <JoshuaL> would be better if they used the latest 9.10 with it current fixes as a LTS
[10:53] <Viper1432> I'm not complaining though.  this release allowed me to put it back on my trusty long-in-the-tooth compaq x1000 lappie.  Its smokin' fast.
[10:54] <Viper1432> was using arch on it, but arch's network drivers were flaky as hell with the wifi on this thing.
[10:54] <JoshuaL> is there a place where I can share my idea about the release cycle?
[10:54] <kklimonda> JoshuaL: ubuntuforums.org is as goog as any place for that
[10:54] <Viper1432> probably the brainstorm website JoshuaL
[10:55] <kklimonda> I'm pretty sure no one but reporters read brainstorms ;)
[10:56] <kklimonda> I enter brainstorm and the first idea I see (I assume it's the most popular one) is "Configure Ubuntu Programs During Installation"
[10:57] <kklimonda> it just shows that people who are adding their ideas there have little knowledge about Ubuntu or its goals..
[10:57] <Viper1432> lol kklimonda.  possible.
[10:57] <kklimonda> or "Ubuntu needs to gain some Money in order to finance its best projects" - I mean, O RLY?
[10:57] <Viper1432> (as to who reads it.)  but its there for a reason, and as the old saying goes about "wheat/n/chaff".....
[10:58] <JoshuaL> so the brainstorm page is not the best place to suggest a new release cycle?
[10:58] <Viper1432> there or the forums JoshuaL , but the release cycle argument is an old one, and SAABDFL pretty much put his foot down about that quite awhile ago.
[10:58] <kklimonda> JoshuaL: the rule of thumb is - if you want to make a suggestion have something to show ready and be prepared to make it happen. They you should probably subscribe yourself to the devel-discuss mailing list
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: I thouogh that was the idea behind the sift for yahooo
[10:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: I'm pretty sure this idea wasn't what made Canonical make this decision - I may be wrong obviously ;)
[10:59] <JoshuaL> thanks for the tips. ill try to write down my idea and work it out a little before suggesting it :)
[11:00] <kklimonda> JoshuaL: don't try to suggest changing length of the development cycle
[11:00] <JoshuaL> i wont lol
[11:01] <vish> kklimonda: a few folks from the design team read the brainstorm ideas...
[11:01] <Viper1432> well you could JoshuaL , but put on your flame retardant undies first, eh?  :D
[11:01] <JoshuaL> lol
[11:02] <Viper1432> that little discussion gens more flames than the ebil mono debates.  lol
[11:02] <kklimonda> vish: oh? poor bastards ;}
[11:02] <vish> ;)
[11:03] <Viper1432> kklimonda,  its all in your mindset.  go at brainstorm with an eye for comedy....and its all good. ;)
[11:03] <JoshuaL> implement a brow screen instead of a blue screen :D
[11:03] <JoshuaL> brown*
[11:03]  * vish would like a "brow" screen ;p
[11:04] <kklimonda> I've actually seen a nice idea just now but it has already been discussed so meh..
[11:04] <Viper1432> look I just want the interface to look like the monitors in the control tower in Avatar.  I about fainted from geek envy when I saw those curved screens.
[11:04] <kklimonda> :D
[11:05] <Viper1432> compiz 150 years from now.  heh heh
[11:07] <kklimonda> compiz must die
[11:07] <kklimonda> it has made more for the linux promotion than any other program but it's just an ugly hack
[11:08] <Viper1432> maybe so, but its an ugly hack i use daily and enjoy.  :)
[11:08] <JoshuaL> i cant live without it
[11:08] <JoshuaL> wobbly windows <3
[11:09] <Viper1432> don't use wobbly unless friends are over.  i love the cylinder, expo scale and a few others.
[11:10] <Viper1432> oh and I prefer emerald to metacity.  now THERE'S a hack, but hey...tis easy on my eyes.
[11:15] <kklimonda> am I the only person who hates tomboy? Why can't we have just a normal sticky notes? :/
[11:16] <kklimonda> I mean - we already have sticky notes applet so why do we have tomboy..
[11:16] <kklimonda> (even if sticky notes is ugly like hell
[11:18] <Viper1432> I don't use either one tbh.
[12:34] <om26er> after today's update every application that uses indicator applet is having high cpu usage
[12:35] <om26er> when I remove indicator applet from panel everything is fine. this is the case with rhythmbox and xchat both using indicator applet
[12:36] <robin0800> om26er: its alright here with Songbird and Quassel
[12:36] <kklimonda> om26er: there is an issue with many gtk+ applications using too much cpu right now but it shouldn't be related to the indicator applet
[12:37] <kklimonda> i.e. you are the first to report it going down after you remove indicator applet and I can't confirm that
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> should broken dependencies be reported?
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> in this case: gnome-shell
[13:07] <Ian_Corne>   gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> I think lucid is using a newer version
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> reinout: ik ookConflicts: gjs (<< 0.4-3)
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> oops
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> Conflicts: gjs (<< 0.4-3)
[13:15] <kklimonda> Ian_Corne: you can report them
[13:16] <kklimonda> make sure it hasn't been reported yet though
[13:16] <jf> Can I expect my nvidia ion have hardware acceleration with the latest updates?
[13:17] <tgpraveen12> how do i change between nouveau and nvida propreitary in lucid?
[13:18] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: you can probably use system->administration->hardware drivers for that
[13:18] <kklimonda> i know that enabling nvidia driver blacklists nouveau one so it doesn't load
[13:18] <kklimonda> it should work the othe way too
[13:19] <kklimonda> but there are some problems with nouveau recently
[13:19] <kklimonda> with packaging I mean
[13:20] <tgpraveen12> so disabling the proprietary will autmatically enable nouveasu
[13:20] <kklimonda> in theory
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/+bug/524418
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> I managed to mess aptitude again
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: remember it ?
[13:30] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: private :/
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> is it?
[13:30] <kklimonda> which is weird because ubottu was able to read it..
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> This report is public
[13:31] <kklimonda> right
[13:31] <kklimonda> the bug you have pasted was broken
[13:33] <stdisease> Weird, my xchat lists of servers just cleared to the last item, I had to add freenode manually
[13:33] <stdisease> I don't remember deleting them...
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: ???
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> no, I pasted the right one
[13:34] <kklimonda> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/+bug/524418 - is 404 for me
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> works fine here
[13:36] <charlie-tca> lost for me too
[13:37] <stdisease> I get 404 here, BUGabundo_remote
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> oh come on!
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> at least two other ppl open it fine in #u-bugs
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> the bot can pick it up fine
[13:38] <charlie-tca> Got to change it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/524418
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/aptitude/+bug/524418
[13:38] <nigelb> here, this should work, bug 524418
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> short url version https://bugs.launchpad.net/+bug/524418
[13:39] <nigelb> BUGabundo_remote: your link did not work for me either.  I asked the bot to open the link correctly in #ubuntu-bugs
[13:39] <stdisease> the bot parses the number at the end
[13:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: short version is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/524418
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> bad pidgin
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> its leaving invisble stuff in the end of URLs
[13:40] <nigelb> if there is a link already, the bot does not show the link again
[13:40] <stdisease> heh
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> no one else notice it yet?
[13:40] <Ian_Corne> yes BUGabundo_remote :p
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> we now have TWO pastes in pidgin
[13:40]  * charlie-tca thinks gonna be a long   day
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> one for clear text, and one "regular" paste
[13:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: we have all moved towards empathy already ;)
[13:41]  * BUGabundo_remote pats charlie-tca in the back
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: poor you all :p
[13:41] <kklimonda> hey, so far nothing major has broken
[13:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: it works awesome here
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> paste aint major :D
[13:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: and my irc usage is way too advanced for pidgin ;)
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> so its also for emp
[13:42] <kklimonda> sure - but empathy is a better jabber client ;)
[13:42] <kklimonda> I love its UI and new icons
[13:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: btw -does pidgin integrate with me menu and messanging menu?
[13:42] <stdisease> For IRC exclusively XChat
[13:44] <stdisease> chair's arm broke.. ;perfect
[13:46] <charlie-tca> ooops?
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> stdisease: hahaa its your fault for saying bad things about my IM client :D
[13:47] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: what does it do, that pidgin doesn't?
[13:47] <stdisease> BUGabundo_remote, wuttt?? I praised my client doesnt mean I trashed yours!!
[13:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: well - you haven't seen me menu yet?
[13:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: you can control empathy's status from there
[13:48] <kklimonda> well, you could if it didn't broke lately
[13:48] <stdisease> It's taken alot of beating anyway, about time it broke
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: don't want to mess with current state. its in a delicated state! 12 accounts in diff status :D
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> stdisease: :p
[13:53] <jemark> just updated again, same xorg packages
[13:53] <jemark> some
[13:58] <popey> does lucid still suffer the "locks up when you press enter" issue?
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> popey: no idea... lots of diverse reports
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> last time I saw mail, someone cghanged the state to confirmed
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> I did remove plymouth and never had troubl again
[13:59] <popey> just upgraded a machine and it had the issue
[13:59] <charlie-tca> yes, popey
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> popey: this is a bad week to upgrade :\
[14:02] <stdisease> no issue with Enter
[14:04] <BUGabundo_remote> hye gnomefreak BluesKaj
[14:04] <tgpraveen12> maybe it depens on hardware coz many have it and many dont
[14:04] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo_remote
[14:04] <tgpraveen12> it is definetely plymouth related though
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_remote
[14:11] <JoshuaL> what is the default twitter client in lucid?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> JoshuaL, you must be kidding :)
[14:12] <JoshuaL> hmm i thought there was going to be one :)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> twitter client ?..isn't that what abrowser is for ?
[14:13] <screen-x> gwibber
[14:14] <JoshuaL> ty screen-x
[14:15] <gnomefreak> gwibber is not default
[14:15] <screen-x> :(
[14:15] <JoshuaL> ohw :(
[14:15]  * screen-x hoped it would be
[14:15] <kklimonda> well, it's supposed to be installed by default in 10.04
[14:16] <kklimonda> they are still working on getting it into main though
[14:41] <vish> gnomefreak: it is by default for lucid ;)
[14:42] <vish> well , atleast thats the plan and the MeMenu work is with gwibber in mind
[14:58] <gnomefreak> vish: its still in universe here
[15:02] <TeTeT> does anyone else see X starting on tty1 instead of 7?
[15:03] <gnomefreak> TeTeT: no
[15:06] <rww> TeTeT: It's happened once or twice to me, back when I still had plymouth installed and was having random problems every time I booted up.
[15:09] <TeTeT> rww: removing plymouth cured it?
[15:10] <rww> TeTeT: I only got it a couple of times over the last two weeks, and removed plymouth yesterday, so it's too early to tell.
[15:11] <vish> gnomefreak: it should move to main pretty soon  , or someone has forgotten about moving it o.0
[15:11] <TeTeT> rww: ok, thanks
[15:11] <kklimonda> gnomefreak, vish: it's still being worked on
[15:11] <kklimonda> there is a huge python dependency that have to be trimmed down so it can fit on CD
[15:12] <vish> yeah , i think kenvandine is trimming it down
[15:37] <zniavre> good evening i can't find the gtk2-engines-pixmap package they deleted it ?
[15:54] <kklimonda> zniavre: no - it's still here
[15:54] <kklimonda> zniavre: but it's called gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[15:55] <kklimonda> unless there have been a -pixmap engine
[16:02] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: happen to know an alternative to plymouth that will not remove gdm? :)
[16:02] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: removing plymouth shouldn't remove gdm.. it didn't just few days ago :)
[16:04] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: installing uplash does
[16:04]  * gnomefreak thinks to get an graphics you need one or other
[16:04] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: well.. usplash was apparently a big mistake on Keybuk's part.. I can still remember him writing how awesome it is and why won't we use plymouth..
[16:04] <gnomefreak> oh
[16:08]  * Dr_Willis finds the whole splash fetish/obsession to be annoying.. :)
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> remindes me of too many games i got with 3+ differnt logo/ad/splash/bs screens befor the game actually loads
[16:08] <kklimonda> I like when my computer shows my a nice image instead of wall of text
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> phhhh..
[16:09] <kklimonda> actually I don't see any splash right now as my 10.04 boots too fast ;)
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> id rather see the text telling me if theres a issue.. not just a image that stays on for ever
[16:09] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: I know there is an issue if my system isn't up after minute
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> Just got 9.10 on the netbook.. Kubuntu netbook edition.. had some... odd issues
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if they will ever manage to have a 'kde netbook' and 'gnome' and 'gnome netbook'  and 'kde' sessions in the login screen.. its a bit of a bother switching from netbook interface to/from thenormal interface
[16:12]  * gnomefreak can live without it but it would be nice to have
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> The whole netbook interace has potential.. but so far.. its a bit of a hassle.
[16:18] <marienz> does someone know why the login keyring would not be getting unlocked when I log in? Starting evolution tends to throw me a fresh password dialog for it.
[16:52] <BUGabundo_remote> I have no luck today
[16:52] <BUGabundo_remote> http://paste.ubuntu.com/379849/
[16:56] <charlie-tca> :-(
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone wabnts to confirm and file a bug _manually_ on python?
[17:33] <uffo> how to enable empathy file send button, is that bug on 10.04?
[18:15] <Kano> hi, why does the current installer not even ask where it should be installed?
[18:18] <mikeconcepts> I would like to know it anyone is using lucid on a Toshiba NB305 netbook, is it a good fit? I currently have mint 8 on it and would like a faster boot
[18:26]  * kklimonda wonder if the fact that ubuntu music store sells mp3 means that we are going to get a mp3 decoder in main archive
[18:28] <nigelb> kklimonda: not mp3s, definitely not
[18:29] <kklimonda> nigelb: mp3s, definitely
[18:29] <nigelb> kklimonda: said anywhere in specs?
[18:29] <kklimonda> nigelb: the partner is 7digital
[18:29] <nigelb> so?
[18:29] <nigelb> how tough is mp3 > ogg encoding?
[18:29] <kklimonda> nigelb: and rhythmbox plugin installs gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[18:30] <nigelb> oooooh
[18:30] <Tscheesy> iik
[18:30] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, mp3toogg is straight forward - but you'll loose some quality
[18:30] <kklimonda> nigelb: well - I'm willing to buy an mp3 but I'm not going to buy an ogg transcoded from mp3 - that would be too much even for me :/
[18:30] <kklimonda> not that I'm going to buy anything but meh
[18:30]  * kklimonda lives behind the iron curtain ;)
[18:31] <razertek> i cannot boot into ubuntu desktop
[18:31] <David-T> bah, stupid rsyslog change
[18:32] <razertek> anyone know how i can revert back to my original alpha3 x?
[18:32] <kklimonda> razertek: there were no alpha3 release
[18:33] <razertek> oh..i thought they released it on the 17th
[18:33] <kklimonda> no, it's going to be released at 25th
[18:33] <kklimonda> razertek: and even then you should expect breakage - it's still not ready for masses
[18:33] <razertek> well i still cannot get into the desktop
[18:34] <kklimonda> razertek: and what's happening?
[18:35] <razertek> kklimonda: well with a normal boot i get the ubuntu white logo then some flashing error messages and a blinking cursor in the upper left and it freezes
[18:35] <kklimonda> razertek: either disable plymouth (by removing splash from kernel command line in grub) or uninstall it completely
[18:36] <razertek> kklimonda: how do i edit grub?
[18:36] <kklimonda> keep left ship pressed when you start your computer until you see grub menu and then follow instructions
[18:37] <razertek> kklimonda: will give a try ty
[18:37] <razertek> brb
[18:56] <YaManicKill> hmmmm all network traffic seems to be really slow to start with, but then it downloads at >1Mb. its like its trying to find the traffic for like ~5-10 seconds (apt-get, firefox, wget all have this problem)
[19:03] <YaManicKill> tis ok, found a bug for it :)
[19:20] <DanaG> weird... nouveau isn't working on this geforce6200 system over here.
[19:20] <DanaG> oh, and typing on my atom netbook is being horribly, horribly laggy.
[19:21] <DanaG> the only thing nouveau AAAAAAAGH STUPID LAG
[19:22] <DanaG> I can't type with that lag.
[19:22] <DanaG> anyway, all lbm-nouveau gives me is this: [lbm-drm] Initialized lbm-drm 1.1.0 20060810
[19:25] <DanaG> argh, it's still laggy.
[19:30] <abhifx>  hi there, can someone tell me whether wubi is included in daily build of lucid?
[19:32] <DanaG> oh, no wonder nouveau won't work: that damn vga16fb is blocking it!
[19:32] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, according to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 release notes it Alpha2 DOES NOT include Wubi, and will be included in Alpha3 (i'm not sure if it's already in the dailys mind you)
[19:33] <DanaG> er, wait, nvidia binary is still loading!
[19:33] <abhifx> ZykoticK9, thx, but thats wht i know too. i will be glad if someone can tell me its included in daily builds yet
[19:35] <BluesKaj-Laptop> abhifx, wubi doesn't include alpha or beta OSs , only stable official releases
[19:35] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, actually the daily i downloaded from 4 days ago does have wubi.exe on it?
[19:36] <abhifx> ZykoticK9, r u sure? i have a super slow net... plz be sure
[19:36] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, i popped the cd into drive and looked at it -- how more sure can i be?
[19:36] <abhifx> BluesKaj-Laptop, its already planned for alpha 3 to include wubi
[19:37] <abhifx> ZykoticK9, u r my man. thx buddy. thx a lot
[19:37] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, if it works is an entirely different matter
[19:37] <abhifx> ZykoticK9, i kno.. thats the risk i can take... thx again
[19:37] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, glad to help
[19:38] <BluesKaj-Laptop> abhifx, running a dev OS on wubi , but why ?
[19:39] <abhifx> BluesKaj-Laptop, i have a delicate situation with my hard drive and hence i dont want to partition it. plus i wanted to test some new stuff. wubi is the way for me
[19:40] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ok, delicate situation usually means several partitions :)
[19:41] <abhifx> BluesKaj-Laptop, he he, no... my hard has crashed once... now thats delicate
[19:57] <stdisease> meh, quassel is clumsy with laptop interface
[19:58] <allyourrejects> is anyone else having an issue in Lucid that no matter what you do Network Applet (in both gnome and kde) says "network disabled".  I have no configuration listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:00] <stdisease> I have a static interface in /etc/network/interfaces but the applets work fine though
[20:00] <allyourrejects> i've both wireless and ethernet,  I'm in user group netdev, and network-manager is running..
[20:00] <ZykoticK9> allyourrejects, if you had something in /etc/network/interface you would expect to see "Not Managed" or similar, not "Network Disabled" -- you have right clicked on the network applet "Enable Networking" does have a checkmark right?
[20:01] <allyourrejects> I cna't figure out why the applet can't communicate with the daemon
[20:01] <stdisease> Just installed kde, gfx effects a bit too strong for my hardware/radeon driver
[20:01] <allyourrejects> ZykoticK9: i get nothing when I click on the applet, Just  "Network Disabled"
[20:01] <ZykoticK9> allyourrejects, right click?
[20:02] <allyourrejects> I have, just got done reinstalling after a --purge, right clicking again to be sure
[20:02] <allyourrejects> It is infact Checked "Enable Networking"
[20:03] <allyourrejects> Mouse Hover says "Networking disabled",  right menu has "Enable Networking" checked
[20:03] <ZykoticK9> allyourrejects, well your problem is certainly beyond me -- hopefully one of the wiser (which there are MANY in this channel) users can help you out.  Good luck.
[20:03] <allyourrejects> oh dang
[20:03] <allyourrejects> looks like the purge fixed it
[20:03] <allyourrejects> unchecked enable and rechecked it, all working now
[20:04] <allyourrejects> thanks
[20:04] <ZykoticK9> that doesn't seem like a "dang" thing :)
[20:04] <allyourrejects> it does when you've been compiling, debugging, watching d-bus channels etc trying to locate the problem for a week
[20:05] <stdisease> Ohh a whole week? I hope you're getting paid for that.
[20:05] <allyourrejects> well, not 24/7
[20:06] <allyourrejects> really wanted to figure out what the issue was
[20:06] <allyourrejects> oh well, at least its working now :)
[20:07] <stdisease> What's the average RAM usage on a freshly installed kde/kubuntu desktop with default configuration on amd64?
[20:31] <DanaG> argh, pastebinit is broken.  ImportError: No module named configobj
[20:37] <pgoetz> I just tried moving /var to a different partition and was surprised to learn that the machine wouldn't boot anymore (ulookahead couldn't find /var/run)
[20:37] <pgoetz> Anyone know anything about this?
[20:37] <David-T> wtf? pressing Alt+T now brings up a termina
[20:38] <ikonia> David-T: please try not to use phrases like wtf - we know what they mean and don't need to see it
[20:38] <ikonia> pgoetz: mount the partition manually, check /var/run exists and the permissions are correct, check the id in /etc/fstab to make sure it's right
[20:39] <DanaG> argh, noveau doesn't work.
[20:39] <pgoetz> OK, but what I did was install the machine using a single 50GB partition and empty /data partition
[20:40] <ikonia> pgoetz: so did you update /etc/fstab to point to the new partition ?
[20:40] <SwedeMike> so, I just made sure I had all the updates and rebooted, and now in all modes (toggling rescue mode, quiet, splash etc), I get noveau starting and then my monitor turns off with "no signal" and I can't do anything more (not even toggling caps-lock on my keyboard)
[20:40] <pgoetz> then rebooted using Karmic live, mount disks, mv /var to /data/var, ln -s /data/var .
[20:40] <SwedeMike> is this a known problem. 8400GS graphics
[20:40] <ikonia> pgoetz: you can't use a symlink like that
[20:40] <pgoetz> the new partition was already mounted by default
[20:40] <pgoetz> why not?
[20:40] <ikonia> pgoetz: var needs to be available at boot, /data may not get mounted until the mountall
[20:41] <David-T> uhuh.
[20:41] <pgoetz> Sure, but doesn't this mean /var can't be its own partition, then?
[20:41] <ikonia> it can, it depends on the mount order
[20:42] <ikonia> putting /var on a symlink doesn't seem like a good call to me, but it's technically possible
[20:42] <pgoetz> I don't like it either, but /var/www and /var/Maildir can get kind of big
[20:42] <pgoetz> I tried just using a single huge / partition and grub2 failed -- I logged a bug on this
[20:42] <ikonia> that's all about sizing correctly
[20:43] <ikonia> a single huge / partition will work, but that's not a good design
[20:43] <David-T> I find it ironic that wtf is a command, then.
[20:44] <ikonia> David-T: I'm not aware of that command
[20:44] <David-T> provided by bsdgames...
[20:44] <pgoetz> Large / doesn't work currently -- see bug #523543
[20:44] <ikonia> oh
[20:44] <David-T> but anyway, apologies for not swearing...
[20:44] <ikonia> pgoetz: how big, I'm using a big partition on a dev box
[20:44] <ikonia> David-T: it's not a massive deal
[20:44] <pgoetz> 3TB
[20:45] <ikonia> ok, that's much bigger than I was using
[20:45] <pgoetz> 2TB worked previously, but using Karmic
[20:45] <ikonia> pgoetz: is that a single disk or a raid
[20:45] <pgoetz> It's a RAID
[20:45] <ikonia> ( I suspect raid)
[20:45] <ikonia> software/hardware/fake raid ?
[20:45] <ikonia> (bets fake)
[20:45] <DanaG> 1TB drive?
[20:46] <pgoetz> Hardware RAID (E200) on HP server box
[20:46] <DanaG> Yeah, MBR can't handle single partitions that large, I believe.
[20:46] <pgoetz> 6 x 750GB drives
[20:46] <ikonia> wow, didn't see real raid coming - thought it would be a fakeraid bug
[20:46] <pgoetz> I guess I should be using LVM to deal with this...
[20:47] <DanaG> You may need a separate, small /boot
[20:47] <ikonia> carving it up would be a good job
[20:47] <DanaG> 2TB starts needing GPT partitioning.
[20:47] <DanaG> And thus, UEFI firmware and grub-efi.
[20:48] <SwedeMike> or stop using partitions totally
[20:48] <SwedeMike> md or lvm is your friend.
[20:48] <DanaG> Okay, but with no /boot, how do you use lvm?
[20:48] <DanaG> You still need somewhere to put grub config files.
[20:48] <pgoetz> So, new strategy was 50GB / and throw /home and /var on a big /data partition using soft links.  /home is ok but /var runs into mount timing problems due to uahead (or something like this)
[20:49] <ikonia> that's how it looks to me
[20:49] <DanaG> yeah, /var separate is asking for trouble, I've read.
[20:49] <ikonia> not seperate
[20:49] <SwedeMike> DanaG: I have separate drives for booting from, I don't put my system om my storage drives.
[20:49] <ikonia> seperate is %101 good
[20:50] <DanaG> Aah.
[20:50] <SwedeMike> 40-80 gig system SSD drive, then raid5/6 for storage.
[20:51] <pgoetz> I like the idea of using SSD for / and swap, but  apache/dovecot/postfix/mysql stuff goes in /var by default.
[20:52] <DanaG> swap on ssd is asking for ssd death.
[20:53] <pgoetz> swap probably doesn't get used much on modern systems with ++RAM, or no?
[20:53] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/d1fedea88
[20:53] <DanaG> that's my xorg log with nouveau.
[20:56] <SwedeMike> I don't even have swap on several of my systems
[21:05] <borschty> hey, have gtk menus become a lot slower for anyone else since the clientside decoration merge?
[21:06] <borschty> (gnome-panel is not affected)
[21:09] <DanaG> not sure what the last thing you saw me say, was.
[21:10] <rr72> are wireless keys not being stored by the gnome-password-daemon anymore?
[21:10] <DanaG> xorg log: http://pastebin.com/d7f22c765
[21:11] <DanaG> It really doesn't say why it failed.
[21:11] <DanaG> I mean, it opens the device and gets code 10, and reports that that's okay... then aborts saying it can't open the device.
[21:12] <borschty> rr72, if you made the connection available to all users it is not stored in keyring
[21:13] <rr72> it was working yesterday though borschty
[21:14] <rr72> was this a recent change?
[21:14] <borschty> i assume this bug report also covers the slow menu issue, as cycling through the menus causes high cpu usage too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/523949
[21:14] <borschty> rr72, what is not working?
[21:14] <rr72> when i login it asks me fore my wireless password, it used to not do that
[21:15] <rr72> it used to be stored somewhere
[21:15] <borschty> does it ask you for your wireless password or for your keyring password?
[21:15] <rr72> wireless
[21:16] <borschty> the 2.29 version of keyring has hit the repos today, so that might still be broken
[21:16] <borschty> the code was pretty much rewritten
[21:17] <borschty> but there were no changes to nm that would disable the keyring usage, afaik
[21:17] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rr72, using network manager ?
[21:17] <rr72> BluesKaj-Laptop~ yes, on xubuntu
[21:17] <borschty> ah, xubuntu
[21:18] <rr72> that in issue?
[21:19] <borschty> i'm not sure how xubuntu sessions look like, but i guess they have a dbus-session started by default too
[21:19] <BluesKaj-Laptop> well, my opinion of network manager isn't too favorable, that's why i switched to wicd ...nm is flaky , inconsistent
[21:20] <borschty> this is not a nm problem
[21:21] <BluesKaj-Laptop> nm worked perfectly for 24 hrs after installing kubuntu karmic , then nm wouldn't connect no matter what.
[21:22] <rr72> it has been working for me nicely, this is the first hiccup, and i think it has to do with where the passwords are stored, not in the manager
[21:23] <BluesKaj-Laptop> the manager should store your pw
[21:23] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wicd does
[21:25] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rr72, your router encryted pw , right ?
[21:25] <rr72> par say yes
[21:25] <rr72> my network key
[21:25] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wpa?
[21:25] <rr72> 2
[21:26] <BluesKaj-Laptop> nm has a problem with wpa-wpa2 , it works ok with wep
[21:26] <rr72> it has always worked
[21:26] <rr72> though
[21:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> in some cases nm won't even offer the wpa optrion
[21:27] <rr72> that has nothappened
[21:27] <rr72> to me it sounds like you just need to vent about NM crapping out on you
[21:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rr72, but you're able to connect after issuing the pw ?
[21:27] <rr72> yes
[21:28] <rr72> but it's a pain to type it in,
[21:29] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rr72, not really , wicd is working well for this setup and it remains consistent so far
[21:29] <borschty> sorry, intel-driver crashed
[21:29] <rr72> borschty~ thank's your help :-D
[21:29] <rr72> you gave me some good information
[21:29] <borschty> rr72, was dbus the problem?
[21:29] <rr72> borschty~ i have no idea, it's still not fixed
[21:29] <borschty> ah
[21:30] <rr72> i am saying thankyou for being serious about my problem
[21:30] <borschty> what is the session binary of xfce called? xfce-session? xfsession4? (their naming was quite inconsistent when i used it the last time)
[21:31] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rr72, having to type a pw in isn't a big problem as long as it connects ..i have a USB wiifi adpter that won't work no matter what i try
[21:31] <borschty> the good thing about the crash is that now i'm using keyring 2.29 too, as i had not restarted it after upgrading ;)
[21:32] <charlie-tca> borschty: I think it is xfce4-session ?
[21:32] <borschty> strings /proc/$(pidof xfce4-session)/environ | grep DBUS
[21:38] <rr72> borschty~ are you having ths same issue or not w/ the new keyring?
[21:40] <borschty> i can't test it with nm right now, as i don't have wlan here
[21:40] <borschty> but i can still see the keys using seahorse
[21:40] <borschty> so i assume it should be working
[21:41] <borschty> evolution works too
[21:41] <borschty> did you try running the command i posted?
[21:41] <rr72> ** (seahorse:6875): WARNING **: couldn't get default keyring name: Error communicating with gnome-keyring-daemon
[21:41] <rr72> could that be bad?
[21:42] <borschty> that sounds more and more like a dbus-related problem
[21:42] <borschty> but it would be weird if xfce didn't start a dbus-session
[21:42] <rr72> charlie-tca~ hey do you use wireless on your lucid install?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> No, I have static ip wired connections
[21:43] <charlie-tca> I don't seem to have a wireless card installed anywhere right now
[21:44] <borschty> rr72, strings /proc/$(pidof xfce4-session)/environ | grep DBUS
[21:44] <borschty> what's the output?
[21:46] <borschty> also did you restart your session since the keyring-update?
[21:47] <borschty> if you didn't and you are still running the old daemon while the new version of the library is trying to connect to the new daemon, that won't work
[21:48] <rr72> it's not working
[21:48] <borschty> what's not working?
[21:48] <rr72> put the PID in () or no?
[21:48] <rr72> w/o them it gets rid of the leading number
[21:49] <borschty> ok, try running: ps ux | grep session
[21:50] <borschty> is there anything like "xfce-session" "xfce4-session" "xfsession4"?
[21:50] <rr72> i found pid
[21:50] <rr72> yes
[21:50] <rr72> but if i put that number in the after $ it craps out
[21:50] <borschty> aaah
[21:50] <borschty> you weren't supposed to put it in the command, pidof does that for you ;)
[21:51] <rr72> abstract=/tmp/dbus-EZXannScer
[21:51] <rr72> something like that
[21:52] <borschty> "abstract" is "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS"?
[21:52] <rr72> no "=unix"
[21:53] <borschty> ah, i see what i confused here
[21:53] <borschty> but that all is part of the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable
[21:54] <borschty> i.e. it is the first word in that line ;)
[21:55] <rr72> so dbus is running fine?
[21:55] <borschty> so there is a dbus-session and thats not the source of the problem
[21:55] <rr72> ok i think i should mention that the ecryptfs thing came up twice
[21:56] <rr72> yesterday iirc
[21:56] <borschty> dpkg -s gnome-keyring | grep Version
[21:57] <rr72> the thing when you first login and you have an encrypted /home telling you what command to show the passphrase
[21:57] <borschty> i don't use ecryptfs
[21:59] <rr72> 2.29.90git20100218-0ubuntu1
[22:01] <borschty> dpkg -s libgnome-keyring0 | grep Version
[22:01] <rr72> 2.29.4git20100216-0ubuntu1
[22:02] <borschty> did you restart your session after the problem occured?
[22:03] <rr72> not sure lol i can if you want me to
[22:03] <rr72> that's when i noticed it
[22:03] <rr72> i turned on my laptop and it requested my password
[22:03] <rr72> and it doesn't do that
[22:04] <rr72> it just connects to the network, i did do an upgrade before that
[22:04] <borschty> that would at least rule a few things out, so could you try it?
[22:06] <rr72> borschty~ problem persists after restart
[22:11] <borschty> rr72, ps ux | grep gnome-keyring
[22:11] <rr72> its running
[22:12] <rr72> /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login
[22:17] <borschty> rr72, is there any file with "keyring" or "gnome" in its name in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[22:18] <rr72> nope
[22:18] <rr72> gnome-session-gnomerc
[22:18] <rr72> wait that's the only one
[22:20] <BUGabundo> MEW
[22:20] <borschty> i think xubuntu might be starting gnome-keyring before dbus and thus it can't register correctly
[22:20] <BUGabundo> nouvaeu totaly broken on my side
[22:20] <BUGabundo> compalains of no firmware
[22:20] <BUGabundo> HALP
[22:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: is your system fine?
[22:21] <borschty> rr72, could you try killing gnome-keyring-daemon?
[22:22] <rr72> killed
[22:23] <borschty> now start it again
[22:23] <borschty> and then try seahorse
[22:23] <rr72> should i mention xubuntu doesn't come with seahorse? I installed it seperatly cause i wanted gpg administration
[22:24] <rr72> borschty~ i see something now
[22:25] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: the good news is the hardware drivers are working in lucid
[22:25] <charlie-tca> (at least for nvidia)
[22:25] <rr72> borschty~ it works now!!
[22:25] <BUGabundo> which ones? the blob ?
[22:25] <borschty> ok, xubuntu starts gnome-keyring too early
[22:25] <BUGabundo> time to run that tool to purge the PPA
[22:25] <BUGabundo> and install the blob then
[22:26] <borschty> but i don't know how its startup works, so i can't help that much with it
[22:26] <charlie-tca> It will say it did not activate, but they work, BUGabundo
[22:26] <rr72> borschty~ should i file a bug?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> rr72: bug report, subscribe charlie-tca
[22:27] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: do u remember the tool sarvan did? that purges PPAs and downgrades ?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: keeps talking about it
[22:27] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: no,
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ppa-purge - Disables a PPA and reverts to official packages
[22:28] <borschty> rr72, i guess so
[22:29] <charlie-tca> borschty: I am going to copy the relevant logs from here to attach to the bug report after rr72 files it
[22:29] <borschty> thanks
[22:29] <rr72> so title it gnome-keyring starst too early?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:   libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-utils xserver-xorg-input-evdev   xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-sis 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 15 downgraded, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 49.1MB of archives.
[22:30] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Umm, rr72 : yup
[22:30] <borschty> gnome-keyring-daemon gets started before dbus-session
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Get:9 http://neacm.fe.up.pt lucid/restricted nvidia-current 195.36.03-0ubuntu1 [40.8MB]
[22:31] <rr72> what package if any?
[22:31] <rr72> xubuntu?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> yes, xubuntu-meta for now
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Errors were encountered while processing:  nvidia-current  nvidia-glx-185 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:33] <BUGabundo> no such luck charlie-tca
[22:33] <borschty> ah, now i remember how it gets started - through pam
[22:33] <borschty> otherwise unlocking wouldn't work
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Warning:  Something went wrong, packages may not have been reverted
[22:34] <rr72> borschty~ so still file the report?
[22:35] <borschty> maybe it is not about starting too early but how it gets started
[22:36] <borschty> xubuntu uses gdm 2.20, doesn't it?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: rebooting and trying my luck, even in vesa
[22:37] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:37] <charlie-tca> borschty: even 9.10 had 2.28
[22:38] <borschty> charlie-tca, according to packages.ubuntu.com it seems to use 2.20
[22:38] <borschty> or maybe i'm just reading this wrong
[22:38] <markl_> what kernel release is Lucid using?
[22:38] <charlie-tca> We use the current gdm, lucid should be 2.29.6
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Booting it up now, again
[22:39] <charlie-tca> too may machines, too many versions here
[22:40] <borschty> ok, then the "provided by" entry on packages.ubuntu.com was a bit misleading
[22:40] <charlie-tca> oh-oh, kernel panic!
[22:40] <borschty> would have been a good explanation though ;)
[22:40] <borschty> different pam configurations etc.
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I ran apt-cache policy in karmic, 2.28 there
[22:41] <charlie-tca> agreed
[22:43] <rr72> thankyou for your assistance borschty
[22:44] <borschty> you're welcome
[22:45] <borschty> it might also be a gnome-specific hack in g-k-d to support being started by pam and yet still belong to the correct dbus-session
[22:46] <charlie-tca> borschty: lucid gdm = 2.29.6-0ubuntu3
[22:47] <charlie-tca> called up in Xubuntu lucid
[22:50] <YaManicKill> ubuntu crashes when i press the enter key
[22:54] <YaManicKill> ahhh found the bug :P
[22:55] <Spirits-Sight> Hello I get this error when I try to install gnome-shell through the term "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages what can I do? is gnome-shell able to be tested yet?
[22:57] <YaManicKill> Spirits-Sight: looks like a dependency error. have a look on launchpad.net to see if a bug has been reported about it
[22:57] <YaManicKill> its likely they know about it, but go have a look anyway
[22:57] <Spirits-Sight> is there a cmd I can run to see if its my system before seeing if its a bug?
[22:58] <Etu> Hello!
[22:59] <Etu> I got a problem with PSI
[22:59] <YaManicKill> Spirits-Sight: it sounds like a dependcy error. have you added any ppas?
[22:59] <Etu> [0] etu@Slartibartfast ~ $ psi
[22:59] <Etu> psi: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: file too short
[22:59] <Spirits-Sight> nope
[22:59] <Spirits-Sight> YaManicKill: nope
[22:59] <Etu> /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 is empty
[22:59] <YaManicKill> Spirits-Sight: then i would very much doubt it is your system
[23:00] <YaManicKill> unless you have added a weird version of some library, then it wont be your fault
[23:00] <Etu> libqt4-dbus is the latest versio.
[23:00] <Spirits-Sight> YaManicKill: ok I check launchpad do a search for the libgjs0 to find righ?
[23:00] <YaManicKill> Spirits-Sight: yeah thats probably best
[23:00] <Spirits-Sight> YaManicKill: OK thanks
[23:00] <YaManicKill> off to get some toast, be back in a few mins
[23:16] <BUGabundo> its times like this that remind me why ppl dont help more test devel :(
[23:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:17] <BUGabundo> no X
[23:17] <BUGabundo> booted into vesa
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I kernel panic ed while you rebooted
[23:17] <BUGabundo> tried to use jokey , screen went black
[23:17] <charlie-tca> dead again?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> nothing i do, seems to work
[23:17] <BUGabundo> not even recovery
[23:17] <BUGabundo> of any of my 3 kernel
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Have you thought it might be time to re-install soon?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> no
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its a pretty clean system
[23:18] <Crashbit> oh! gnome-do doesn't work today!
[23:18] <BUGabundo> i installed around A1
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: WFM
[23:18] <BUGabundo> wel.. it would, if i had X
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Oh, I had to reinstall twice since alpha1
[23:18] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: LOLOL
[23:18] <simba_> I had to <ctrl><alt><F1>,<ctrl><alt><F7> to get login screen.
[23:19] <BUGabundo> that was my 1st reinstall in years
[23:19] <BUGabundo> and only because of dead disk
[23:19] <BUGabundo> simba_: i get that alot
[23:19] <charlie-tca> simba_: might be able to use Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+k instead
[23:19] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: that doenst do anything on mine
[23:19] <BUGabundo> never did
[23:20] <BUGabundo> but work ok at office with debian unstable
[23:20] <Crashbit> BUGabundo: I'm using gnome-do as a dock, for a while I see that I do not load, but gives no error in the console
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it seems to be picky about what systems it will work on
[23:20] <charlie-tca> Notice - I did say "might"
[23:20] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: GDO crash a lot. really a lot
[23:20] <simba_> also UbuntuOne is buggy for you to theese days?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> it is usual for to eat all my cores
[23:21] <Crashbit> BUGabundo: the latest version worked better
[23:21] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: kill it, start it again, and PRAY
[23:22] <Crashbit> BUGabundo: I've tried, I even restarted the computer and still not working
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Crashbit: kill it, start from console with debug
[23:24] <Crashbit> BUGabundo: http://www.pastebin.com/d5635d3dc
[23:25] <Crashbit> shit pastebin fails too :-)
[23:25] <Crashbit> *pastebinit, sry
[23:28] <charlie-tca> What are they doing now with nouveau and plymouth? It looks like it is going into 1440x900 mode right after grub?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yes, full resolution
[23:29] <BUGabundo> if stable, shoud be default for lucid
[23:29] <charlie-tca> maximum for the system?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:29] <BUGabundo> poor us blid
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I don't think I like it
[23:31] <mdlueck> I just pulled down today's x86 ISO... where did the partitioning step get lost in the installer?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> shouldn't have got lost... I haven't run today's images. Is that the desktop CD?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> If it is, it defaults to side-by-side install now
[23:35] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: side by side ?
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Yup, wants to install by splitting the first partition, if I remember right.
[23:37] <charlie-tca> I haven't been able to get it to even suggest the entire 40gb partition on my sdb drive, it defaults to sda1 to be split
[23:37] <mdlueck> I am used to setting custom partitions.... VERY used to that. Any way to bring that step back? A "I know what I am doing" option while booting?
[23:38] <charlie-tca> should be a manual partition about half-way down the screen
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, try the alternate cd
[23:38] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: "Ubuntu" for better or worse default policy is to have a SINGLE partition
[23:38] <mdlueck> On which step number? I will fire my VM back up
[23:38] <BUGabundo> plus swap
[23:38] <BUGabundo> since 8.04 the installer can REPAIR the system by reinstalling without formating
[23:38] <charlie-tca> 4 of 8, I think
[23:39] <mdlueck> OK, I will watch step 4 with CARE
[23:39] <mdlueck> Thanks!
[23:39] <BUGabundo> [23:38] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: xorg-edgers is broken for nouveau right now until I can get the linux-backports-modules-nouveau built with the api changes
[23:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: bjsnider: ^^^^
[23:39] <charlie-tca> I am firing up to make sure
[23:41] <Crashbit> but libgl1-mesa-dri (official repos) doesn't support Direct Rendering for nouveau
[23:43] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: it is gone as of yesterday's images
[23:43] <mdlueck> gggggrrrrrrrr!!!!!
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I just tried it. No way to specify anything about partitions on the desktop cd
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I hope it is splitting things up, and not taking the entire drive
[23:44] <mdlueck> How do I vote for it to get put back
[23:44] <charlie-tca> Oh, not to fear. It crashes and won't continue
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Well, there is the alternate image
[23:46] <mdlueck> Just not as a daily ISO?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> !daily
[23:47] <charlie-tca> use the /daily/current image. It should have the partitioner
[23:47] <raindog_mini> Using the alternate install.  Half way through the install it stops with an error installing grub.  Anyone have any good info for me to get around/fix this?
[23:47] <mdlueck> I am there, do not see an alt... there meaning daily-live
[23:47] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:48] <mdlueck> aaahh. thanks
[23:48] <simba_> raindog_mini: just tel it not to install grub and it installs it
[23:48] <charlie-tca> np, but see raindog_mini 's message
[23:48] <mdlueck> So is that the official direction, to get custom partitions you MUST use the alt CD?
[23:48] <charlie-tca> What is the error, raindog_mini ?
[23:48] <raindog_mini> simba_: Thanks,  I'll try that.
[23:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know, mdlueck
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Might be a mistake in the build today
[23:49] <simba_> raindog_mini: worked for me just an hour ago
[23:49] <mdlueck> OK, charlie-tca. Anyplace that votes are being tracked?
[23:49] <charlie-tca> They made some changes today to add nouveau for nvidia, by backporting part of the next kernel
[23:50] <charlie-tca> That might have screwed things up for them
[23:50] <charlie-tca> No place I know of to track votes
[23:51] <raindog_mini> charlie-tca: It says "You chose not to install GRUB to and deviced.  If you continue, the booat loader may not be properly installed..."  The only option it lets me to is conitnue without installing grub.
[23:51] <crimsun> "votes"?
[23:51] <mdlueck> crimsun: "votes" aka feedback on daily alpha's.
[23:51] <charlie-tca> raindog_mini: it asked you where to install it, you have to give it a place or it complains like that.
[23:52] <blueyed> I have no sound in Miro (which is a GTK app), using KDE. How to approach debugging this? the conf menu makes sound (when clicking checkboxes)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> u gt devel-discuss and launchpad
[23:52] <charlie-tca> I did that once already, and I think I had to then install grub manually after it got done
[23:52] <mdlueck> So open a bug in launchpad against the installer in the Alpha?
[23:52] <raindog_mini> charlie-tca: It doesn't ask me where to install grub.  I think I may have to install it manually after the install.
[23:53] <charlie-tca> might be.
[23:53] <crimsun> blueyed: I presume you've configured Phonon to prefer the desired audio backend (PA if you use it; ALSA otherwise)?
[23:54] <crimsun> blueyed: the obvious culprits are "app is using the wrong backend" and "app is using the wrong device"
[23:54] <crimsun> blueyed: moreover, while running Miro, pastebin the output from "sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*"
[23:55] <genii> Bah. Latest dist-upgrade totally borked X
[23:55] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: I normally give it one day to see if it got caught. then file the bug if it didn't get fixed.
[23:55] <BUGabundo> genii: i know
[23:55] <BUGabundo> i'm discussing that with sarvat on #ubuntu-x
[23:57] <blueyed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/d63922325
[23:57] <MenZa> genii: That's re-assuring, seeing as I'm updating my Karmicbox to A2 right now :p
[23:58] <BUGabundo> MenZa: ati is brokwn
[23:58] <blueyed> crimsun: Miro writes to stderr: "** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, framed=(boolean)true, codec_data=(buffer)1190, rate=(int)48000, channels=(int)2" ?!
[23:58] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob should be ok
[23:58] <BUGabundo> nouveau aint
[23:58] <MenZa> BUGabundo: Oh, that's fine. I'm on Intel graphics.
[23:58]  * MenZa points fingers at genii 
[23:59] <genii> MenZa: I do a dist-upgrade every night. I currently can't even start X I get "kcmserver can't start" or so, then boot back to kdm. I'm currently on my older 9.04 partition
[23:59] <DanaG1> irritating thing: failsafe-x BREAKS EVERYTHING if you're using kms.
[23:59]  * genii bites MenZa's pointy finger
[23:59] <MenZa> genii: Ah.
[23:59] <DanaG1> Vesa tramples all over the consoles, and renders all of them blank.