[00:01] Another problem is I get error on apt-get upgrade,. the error is for package yaws [00:01] The error is yaws: Depends: erlang-nox (>= 1:13.b.1-dfsg) but it is not installed [00:02] apt-get -f install errors with dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/yaws_1.84-2_i386.deb (--unpack) [00:03] hemant: boot into safemode, netroot for dhcp, dpkg-reconfigure -a to get keyb back ,then exit back to recoveryconsole , dpkg.. to fix your apt [00:03] hemant: tried installing erlang-nox? that might tell you more [00:04] cef: erlang-nox error : E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [00:04] :( also empathy isnt working anymore. [00:04] Again, anything which adds an indicator to the indicator menu will not work. [00:04] Ah, so that's why everything is crashing. [00:04] That means at least evolution, empathy, and gwibber. [00:05] Right. [00:05] That probably belongs in the topic. [00:05] DasEi: can i run it when I am logged in (I managed to login by enabling the virtual keyboard) [00:05] Probably, yes. [00:06] hemant: no, but can go there by sudo init 1 (hopefully), gimme a second, I'll try before [00:06] DasEi: I am trying it anyways :) [00:08] DasEi: it did a few things and at the end I got this error Error! Cannot locate /usr/src/applesmc-0.14.4.dkms.tar.gz. [00:09] hemant: the dpkg ? [00:09] init 1 works, by the way [00:17] was teh sound really fixed? [00:18] It works for me. [00:19] anyone here running server? suggestions on how to get around a cyclic dependency when upgrading from karmic between mountall and libplymouth2 (yes, using do-release-upgrade -d) ?? [00:20] * cef listens to the chirping of birds and insects that is the response to his question. [00:21] Give it a while. Not everyone's frantically scanning IRC waiting for a new message to devour. [00:25] hmm, is there any utility that'll lock / suspend a computer at a specified time of day / night? [00:25] RAOF: well, the bug has been open now since the 29th of Jan.. so ...... [00:28] RAOF: but yeah, been used to irc for about 17 yrs.. ;) [00:31] i really have no sound since this afternoon ... [00:32] hmm, check if your alsamixer sliders are muted. [00:32] For some reason, mine were. [00:33] Dr [00:34] DanaG: no sound here all day [00:35] the program upoward exited abnormally? [00:35] DanaG: Mine were strange too. [00:36] Hi, [00:36] Since upgrade to lucid, vimperator on firefox errors for commands like open and tabopen [00:38] weird... login window has a "minimize" button. [00:39] telepathy-butterfly lose messages [00:39] have anyone noticed? === virtuald_ is now known as virtuald [00:40] virtuald: I've tried to move to Empathy many times in the past year ,and had to give up every time after butterfly just dropped messages in various circumstances. [00:40] Most recently yesterday. [00:40] :/ [00:40] I should try to reproduce it today now I have time. [00:41] I just sit there with Pidgin on one account and Empathy on another, and send messages until it breaks after about 30 seconds. [00:41] Yay, libindicate is unbroken. [00:41] great, can i be of any help? [00:42] anyone running skype? [00:43] argh, intel netbook... now compiz won't run. [00:43] Exact output from console: [00:43] Launching fallback window manager [00:43] ... that's it. Just that one line. [00:44] there's a fallback window manager? [00:44] metacity. [00:44] DanaG: I struggle slightly to get compiz to work on macbook pro [00:44] oh, I see: could not stat() file: /usr/lib/compiz/libcore.so [00:44] No such file or directory. [00:44] oh right [00:44] virtuald: In what situation did it lose messages for you? [00:45] DanaG: what does 'ls /usr/lib/compiz/libcore.so*' say? [00:45] not that I would call metacity a window manager [00:45] File isn't there. [00:46] DanaG: sounds like a dependency issue then [00:48] weird. [00:48] !find libcore.so [00:48] wgrant: i was chatting on msn.. maybe something crashed, it sometimes do [00:49] File libcore.so found in ircd-ratbox, ircd-ratbox-dbg, ugene [00:51] where do i set font sizes that are not in the appearance applet? === crimsun changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support and discussion channel | firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 is broken; update to 0ubuntu4 | ALSA-lib borked; hang tight for fixes | Nvidia users should avoid suspend/hibernate | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Milestones: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule | Alpha 2 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 [01:15] is it possible to make alsa the default for the latest skype? [01:15] it seems to prefer pulse... [01:16] (or where do i download the previous working beta) [01:16] pulse should work fine; if it doesn't, please file a bug [01:16] please note that alsa-lib is currently borked; I uploaded a fix a few minutes ago, and it's building now [01:16] bjorkintosh: loook at the topic alsa is broken. if alsa works pulse wil wokr too [01:16] oh yeah, if I wanted to get my CM106 card's bug fixed... who would I send such a card to? [01:16] crimsun: thanks :) [01:16] alsa's working just fine. i can hear everything else. [01:17] but, in skype, it completely ignores or garbles the microphone's input, even though the mic works. [01:17] Anyone here running server? Any suggestions on how to get around a cyclic dependency when upgrading from karmic between mountall and libplymouth2 (yes, using do-release-upgrade -d) ?? [01:17] bjorkintosh: current lucid? [01:17] crimsun, yes. [01:17] i did an update less than an hour ago. [01:18] bjorkintosh: can you get a verbose pa debug log for me to look at? [01:18] wiki/PulseAudio/Log [01:18] how do i get the output for you? [01:18] bjorkintosh: pastebin would be fine [01:18] bjorkintosh: the shortened url for you to read is pasted above [01:19] well, how do i generate the output from skype? [01:19] ... or while running skype. [01:19] bjorkintosh: any way you normally would [01:20] bjorkintosh: if it's garbling because of pulse, then I need pulse diagnostics, which is what the verbose debug log provides [01:20] anyhow, I'm busy ATM fixing ALSA breakage, but I'll poke my head back in in a half-hour. [01:20] alright. [01:20] DanaG: anyone who is willing to fix it ;) [01:21] i'll figure out some way to get it to spit out some output. [01:22] bjorkintosh: you know about the echo call service on skype? [01:22] virtuald: So, I can see butterfly losing messages once the switchboard closes the conversation. [01:23] virtuald: (the server times things out after a couple of minutes, then the connection has to be reestablished) [01:23] If I send a message from another client, it reaches butterfly but not Empathy. [01:23] Is Lynx going to have any major improvements? [01:23] no [01:24] not a one [01:24] No need for that. [01:24] mainly stability improvements. [01:24] cef, yeah, i've been testing it. [01:24] and it's completely skipping the mic's output it seems. [01:25] I was wondering why someone would be asking about improvements in a CLI browser... [01:25] Weird, similar thing happened to me: my input volume is nearly zero. [01:25] Used to be fine. [01:25] I'm not sure when it changed. [01:25] wgrant: :P [01:26] o.o [01:26] damn upgrade bugs.. I'd be testing out lucid if I could only upgrade. *sigh* - ok enough whinging from me === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:47] crimsun: how is fixing the ALSA package goin? [01:52] weird... login window has a minimize button. [01:52] DanaG: yeah tahts what i thought too [01:52] gdm is becoming kinda wierd [01:52] becoming? [01:55] argh, stupid bluetooth thingy... lets me disable BT, but doesn't let me re-enable it. [01:55] Or rather, doesn't do so reliably. [01:56] syn-ack: well they removed all the skin-possibilities and added window manager stuff taht nobody needs [01:56] Thats what I'm talking about... Becoming? [01:56] well teh minimize stuff was added recently.. i think last night? [01:57] who knows waht will be there next [01:57] This is one one app that I wish Canonical would have left alone on the move from Jaunty to Karmic [01:57] Thats just my two cents though [01:58] I'm in the process of moving up right now, 139 total that need to be upgraded [01:58] thats one app i wish canoncial would finally replace with a homebrew app. [01:58] instead of a stupid software center etc.. [01:58] Well, they can theoretically make money off the Software Center [01:59] syn-ack: j to k, or k to l? [01:59] cef: well both, I suppose [01:59] software kiosks seem to be in vouge [02:00] I kinda wish we could have retained the version that was already three versions old at the time jaunty came out [02:00] ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4 [02:00] syn-ack: ahh.. I've done j to k on a server in the last week, but can't do k to l because of a bug in the upgrade process for server. :( [02:00] hah, nice [02:01] syn-ack: there is a gdm-2.20 package [02:01] maybe try taht? [02:01] well personally I'm waiting to redeploy me servers until this goes final... this is just my test machine [02:01] rather dev [02:01] syn-ack: so is this.. , but server install, not desktop. [02:02] Oooooh I'm going to get locked out of my machine? [02:02] libpam upgrade here we come! [02:02] only if you have libpam customisations afaik [02:03] Alright, so I'm assuming with such a large release of updates we're now in the Alpha three stage? [02:03] if not a3, it's very soon. wiki still says a2 afaik [02:03] ah [02:04] I havent looked in a bit, I was merely assuming because like I said, of the size of the update [02:04] stupid ureadahead. [02:04] ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4 [02:05] hey, does anyone know if plymouth was upgraded with the rest of the packages so I can go ahead and reinstall it [02:05] I uninstalled it due to it crashing gdm upon boot [02:07] http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts [02:07] syn-ack: my dependency issue for server is between mountall and libplymouth2 - *sigh* [02:07] All my bootcharts are really really big. [02:08] cef: yeah, I noticed that here too, which is why I just removed the executable and not the lib as well [02:08] it would have uninstalled my whole desktop [02:08] ureadahead doesn't work for me. [02:08] DOesn't even show up in bootchart. [02:08] still broken. :( [02:08] (just tried to upgrade again) [02:08] thats stupid, DanaG [02:09] ok, brb, gotta reboot into my environment [02:09] brb, again [02:14] nice. had a broken upgrade which made me have to re run do-dist-upgrade, apparently [02:14] but this seems to have had an x display to it so I'm not entirely sure what it was... never have seen it before [02:14] do-dist-upgrade? [02:15] it was a "partial upgrade" [02:16] ahh ok.. just never seen do-dist-upgrade at all, nor can I find it on karmic [02:16] its proper name is "do-release-upgrade" [02:16] ahh, ;) [02:16] that I am familiar with. ;) [02:16] see, I'm used to doing it via the console and not with a gui [02:17] yeah, same [02:17] They seem to have some really nice post-inst scripting with this upgrade though [02:18] I'd love to see it (stupid bug, mumble mumble) [02:18] seemed to have done a much more thorough job on the update this time around [02:20] Man, I'm really starting to buy all the "This is going to be a killer release" hype [02:20] hrm, there is a later version of update-manager-core in lucid.. wonder if that would fix my cyclic issue.. hrm [02:20] cef: what version are you running? [02:20] Installed: 1:0.132 [02:20] Candidate: 1:0.132 [02:20] karmic's atm, 1:0.126.9 [02:21] That's what I'm running here. [02:21] yeah, that is what is in lucid [02:21] but still on karmic but trying to upgrade. :/ [02:21] cef: did you follow these directions? [02:21] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 [02:21] might have a look at the changelog [02:22] Read what that tell you, it's specific to server [02:23] syn-ack: yeah.. usign the server/cli method.. get a cyclic dependency with mountall and libplymouth2 [02:24] syn-ack: logged a 'me too' on an existing bug #514012 [02:24] Launchpad bug 514012 in mountall "cyclic dependency between mountall and libplymouth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514012 [02:24] ah [02:26] but cos my sources are now all lucid, I can see lucid packages.. least if I do up update-manager-core, it doesn't want to install a new libc6 as well [02:27] cef: Having looked at that, I can't see where the circular dependency is. libplymouth2 certainly doesn't have any dependency on mountall. [02:29] RAOF: yeah.. :/ [02:30] I havent seen something stupid like that since Red Hat [02:31] ahh ok.. I think mountall has a dependency on libc6 < 2.11, but 2.11.1 is in lucid [02:32] libplymouth2 I think is just getting caught in the cross-fire\ [02:33] cef: time for some pinning magic from what it sounds [02:34] ahh.. old karmic mountall vs lucid mountall and libplymouth2 (mountall depends on this version of libplymouth2, which can't be installed till libc6 and mountall are installed, which causes a loop [02:35] aptitude don't like it either.. fun fun fun [02:36] pin it [02:36] easy fix [02:36] pin and then run 'do-release-upgrade -d' - will that even work? [02:37] hrm [02:37] I was thinking of installing them while it's karmic then upgrade [02:38] actually i'll check for libplymouth2 in karmic.. time to fix my sources [02:38] though, in all reality you still shouldnt have to do that when firing off the upgrade script [02:39] yup. [02:40] but hey, if I can add a work-around to the bug, it might allow them to fix it [02:41] hrm, no libplymouth* in karmic.. ho hum [02:42] Not surprising [02:42] yeah, thought it was a long shot [02:43] which is why I suggested pinning your libc, upgrading it then doing the rest from there [02:43] yeah.. I'll look at that.. for the moment, work calls. :/ [02:46] weird... pulseaudio isn't using my hardware volume slider anymore. [02:47] DanaG: Shame. Maybe that's it's way of telling you that it doesnt want to be on your system anymore and that you should remove it and go with pure alsa. ;) [02:47] Pure alsa sucks at dealing with multiple audio devices. [02:48] And PulseAudio is awesome as long as it's working... and the percent of time that is true, is gradually increasing. [02:48] It's awesome being able to have web audio go to onboard speakers and music go to externals, at the same time... and then I can mute the internal on-the-fly. [02:54] Anyone have woes playing DVDs on lucid? [02:54] haven't tried in a few days [02:55] until about a week ago no problem, then apt-get upgrade removed kde [02:55] had some trouble putting it back as it thought it was uninstallable [02:56] Always double-check what apt wants to do... I would've just not let it remove stuff like that. [02:56] Hmm.... my woes centre on gstreamer, so I guess KDE wouldn't have been affected [02:56] it scrolled off my screen [02:56] aptitude for the win [02:57] The [removed] header was lost as the removed list was longer than the screen, I thought update all these [02:57] ah. [02:57] aptitude summarizes at the end: [02:57] "50 to be removed", or whatever. [02:57] it did I just didn't figure out that the 100 to be removed was kde as there were also 200 to update === Saint_laptop is now known as Sa[i]nT === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:04] anyway, try the aptitude ncurses UI. [03:04] It's rather nifty. [03:05] Hi, I am not sure if ubunbtu has control over this but I have not had sound for over 2 years and I have NVidia HDA card that requires a Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) codec. [03:06] I have filed a bug and am wondering if there is somewhere else I can go with it [03:14] So I'm guessing the last batch of updates buggered up sound...as in my laptop now shows a constant mute light and no audio after the last batch of updates. ? [03:15] Viper1432: there appear to be a lot of issues with sound, yes. can't help you fix them myself, but i have seen it mentioned a lot [03:17] Oh not sweating it cef , was just double checking. Up until this last go-round, Lucid hasn't had any sound issues at all. I thought I saw crimsun mentioning something to do with alsalib earlier, but its scrolled outta the buffer over here. [03:18] clarifying my last to mean: no issues on my x1000 laptop or x2 dualcore box. :D [04:02] anyone else lost sound in firefox? [04:04] I have no sound [04:06] CPrgmSwR2, no sound in firefox or just no sound in general? === dabossbv1 is now known as dabossbv [04:19] So, Me Menu -> Broadcast Accounts doesn't work yet, correct? Or is this a bug I'm having? [04:25] I have the same issue [04:26] Most likely still under development or something of that nature [04:27] argh, volume thingy in indicator-applet-complete doesn't respond to mouse wheel.... and it REMOVES the normal volume thingy! [04:27] "Broadcast Accounts..." [04:28] "..." implies it should bring up a dialog of some sort. [04:28] But, it does nothing. [04:28] they're probably working on the dialog yet === kermiac is now known as kermiac_ [04:58] is anyone fixing the alsa-lib bug or is it now fixed bug#523716 [05:00] it's already fixed [05:00] it's just awaiting mirroring [05:00] i.e., should be available in the next couple hours [05:01] crimsun: many thanks [05:02] it's available from LP if you're really anxious [05:02] crimsun: how do I get it ? === foxbuntu` is now known as foxbuntu === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [05:23] crimsun: got it think it installed allright but the laptop mute light is still on hence no sound still. [05:23] hmm , why doesnt gnome-panel restart when you kill it? [05:25] yeah. something's weird with interactions with alsamixer. [05:26] Check alsamixer -- mine was all muted. [05:26] vish, bug 522047 "Fix Committed" [05:26] Launchpad bug 522047 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel does not auto re-spawn after being killed" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522047 [05:26] ZykoticK9: ah , thanks [05:27] DanaG: mine seems to be OK [05:41] robin0800: I just uploaded the pulseaudio fix for that. [05:41] you need to be patient; it takes a bit to build and publish to mirrors [05:45] I'm in the same boat regarding that audio control. The mouse wheel up/down is sorely missed....and didn't the horizontal slide get tried a few releases back only to go back to vertical? [05:47] I also wish there were a ctrl+volumeup to control volume on secondary sound cards. === crimsun changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support and discussion channel | firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 is broken; update to 0ubuntu4 | alsa-lib and pulseaudio fixes uploaded; please be patient | Nvidia users should avoid suspend/hibernate | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Milestones: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule | Alpha 2 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lu [05:48] might wanna' take out the http:// [05:48] I wish I could use the volume keys on my usb sound card to control the volume OF the usb sound card. [05:49] crimsun, problem with the link at the end of Topic there [05:49] Woot! My crazy compressed USB speaker volume has been fixed. [05:50] hence the "might wanna' take out the http:// " bit. === crimsun changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support/discussion | firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 is the fixed one | alsa-lib and pulseaudio fixes uploaded,building | Nvidia users: avoid suspend/hibernate | IRC Guidelines: wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Milestones: wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule | Alpha 2 released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha2 [05:56] yay, now the first few bits all fit within my topic bar in pidgin. [05:56] Cool. [05:56] crimsun: I've been trying to update to lucid (from a server install of karmic using 'do-release-upgrade -d' ) and I keep getting a circular dependency with mountall and libplymouth2 - any clues? [05:57] (anyone can answer that if they know the answer of course) [05:59] cef: I had to update libc6 and libc-bin by hand [06:00] HeMan: that makes sense [06:00] cef: i did "cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i libc6* libc-bin*" [06:01] HeMan: did you then do 'do-release-upgrade -d' after that? [06:01] speaking of plymouth: it irks me that there's not even so much as a throbber animation. [06:01] There's no way to tell the system isn't "dead" during boot. [06:02] cef: I first did a do-release-upgrade -d, got the dependency-problem, then installed libc6 and libc-bin followed by an aptitude [06:03] ahh ok. I'll try using do-release-upgrade again after using dpkg. see if that works. [06:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/plymouth/+bug/496774 [06:04] Ubuntu bug 496774 in plymouth "no indication that a fsck is in progress" [High,Invalid] [06:04] " Since plymouth is not installed by default, you wouldn't expect to have it. " [06:04] Seems wrong to me. [06:05] At least I have a heartbeat LED. =þ [06:05] So if my kernel ever dies... I can tell it's dead. [06:06] HeMan: looks like it's working. :D [06:06] cef: cool! [06:07] I try to install drbd8-source and it tries to compile via dkms but it fails to build [06:13] HeMan: ta for that. added an update to #514012 (which is the bug for that error btw), so mebbe a dev can make something of it. ;) Now i can get back to futzing with kvm and libvirt. ;) [06:39] HeMan: thats what I told him to do too. :/ [06:41] DanaG1: check my response on that plymouth bug [06:43] syn-ack: in a slightly different way.. but yeah.. had time finally and bit the bullet. you're both to thank [06:44] damn work keeps getting in the way of me getting things done. :( [06:44] cef: no prob. I know that it's a nasty hack but for the time being it gets the job done [06:44] :D [06:45] Again, I think something is up with either the script, which there shouldnt be or the tarball with the info in it that update manager downloads [06:45] yeah .. I think the bug should definitely be against update-manager-core rather than mountall [06:46] That depends [06:46] it could very well be something with the package too [06:46] cef: as in the template info was entered wrong for the reqs and the prereqs [06:46] which is very very likely as well [06:46] syn-ack: possibly.. [06:47] good morning :) [06:48] Now that I've potentially started a holy war with questioning someone on a bug entry, I'm quite curious as to how this is going to turn out [06:48] hiyas kklimonda [06:50] syn-ack: which bug? [06:50] 496774 [06:50] I'm curious as to why he would say that it's not installed by default when it clearly is [06:51] I mean, I've had to go and remove it since it was so buggy [06:51] bug 496774 [06:51] Launchpad bug 496774 in plymouth "no indication that a fsck is in progress" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496774 [06:52] yeah well I see nothing at boot till I Ctrl-Alt-F1 after things have started [06:53] And, iirc there is or at least was an fsck progressbar in plymouth [06:54] keep hitting Ctrl-Alt-F1 at boot and occasionally you'll see a progress bar.. but nothing else [06:55] so, am I the only one to which his response made absolutely no sense? [06:56] I get the high-cpu-ness of big animations... but something like a line that goes like this, might work: [06:56] . .. ... .... [06:56] that is, marching ellipsis. [06:56] syn-ack: nup. unless of course it's marked from removal as a default but that hasn't been acted on [06:56] Wouldn't need to be big and fancy. [06:58] cef: why would it be marked for removal if they've spent all this time on it so far trying to get it to work? I mean, if they didnt think they could get it to work, they certainly wouldnt have included it on an LTS [07:01] syn-ack: not my call.. but yeah. oh well. [07:01] syn-ack: well, there's my 2 cents (since it affects me too) [07:02] Man, I kinda hope they just remove the damn thing and go back to usplash, imo [07:03] ok.... home time for me. later [07:04] is sites like meebo.com opening for everyone especially on chromium beta ppa? [07:04] some sites especially those depenedent on flash seem to not work from past 1-2 days [07:16] please could seomeone try to open meebo.com and check [07:16] vish: ^^ [07:17] meebo works here [07:18] on chromium [07:18] ? [07:20] tgpraveen12: I'm having problems with the flash player plugin too :C [07:20] kuadrosx: since last 1-2 dyas? [07:20] kuadrosx: any site specifically? [07:21] since yesterday [07:21] hmm be back after a restart [07:22] What is the most important between an Ubuntu Beta and an Ubuntu Alpha release? [07:23] What is the most important difference between an Ubuntu Beta and an Ubuntu Alpha release? [07:23] :O now flash player works fine, weired [07:24] kuadrosx, after reboot? [07:24] nop [07:24] syn-ack: It is installed by default, and his reply doesn't make sense to me either :\ [07:25] bullgard: beta is more likely to work? [07:25] any issues with the latest updates? [07:26] rww: that was my point. :/ [07:26] So is there a way to make apt db updates retrieve just diffs instead of whole files?? Are there even diffs to begin with? [07:26] stdisease: The Ubuntu archive does not generate diffs. [07:27] RAOF, hmm dang :( [07:27] Given the frequency of the publisher, it would be less useful than in Debian. [07:27] zsync only [07:27] When this comes up, testing indicates that unless people update really frequently, the overhead of downloading the many many diffs overwhelms the benefits. [07:28] * RAOF is too slow :) [07:28] good morning RAOF, wgrant && anyone I forgot to mention [07:28] Evening syn-ack. [07:35] Interesting - well I updated 2 or 3 times yesterday probably not considered frequent. [07:37] Oh, is the fglrx driver likely to be fixed within the next few days? (based on past trends..) [07:37] probably not [07:38] I assume it's broken in the same way that it has been in the past: lucid has a new version of xorg that requires an fglrx recompile so we're waiting on ATI? [07:38] rww, i use the free driver and works fine [07:38] jemark: so do I. [07:39] fglrx and I have a troubled past, I steer clear of it these days. [07:40] I have a vm, lucid alpha2 + updates. I have nagios installed, if I enable a snmp plugin, the server jumps to the year 2594 at random (1-2 days) intervals. The machine is basically unusable after that as you can't login. [07:40] how might I debug such a situation? [07:40] rww: explain to me why ATi makes such good hardware and such a lousy driver? ;) [07:40] Oh dear a time machine [07:40] That sounds fun. :/ [07:41] syn-ack: xserver-xorg-video-radeon works fine for me :) [07:41] It was fun enough to get to discover it was snmp. Waiting a day each time to see if we have timetravelled. [07:41] rww: I use Intel cards anymoe [07:41] more, too [07:42] I've tried valgrind, but I'm not sure if I know the settings to ensure it picks out of bounds writes properly. Plus I'll need to run that in a loop. So I probably need to know the output to look for. That's if that's the correct tool. [07:42] mr-russ, no idea but you could perhaps start by looking at the application's bug tracker see if any issue or fixes have been reported [07:43] I did look at snmp, and nagios. no dice so far. [07:44] xserver-xorg-video-radeon is working without problems for me too, but I'm not doing much with the hardware either. [07:45] hmm new fglrx release 2 days ago [07:47] Ooh, anyone having problem with the entire system/kernel freezing when you shutdown/restart ? [07:47] I can't see if it actually panics or whatever because of the debian splash screen but that's next [07:48] *ubuntu splash [07:49] huh it's a know bug [07:50] which one? The Plymouth bug? [07:50] which bug are you talking about? Which number? [07:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/506418 - but in my case not just on the live CD [07:52] Ubuntu bug 506418 in casper "[lucid] live cd does not shutdown" [High,Confirmed] [07:53] Ah, yeah [07:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/523949 [07:53] Ubuntu bug 523949 in gtk+2.0 "after upgrade to 2.19.5-1ubuntu3 rhythmbox hogs the cpu while playing" [High,Confirmed] [07:53] I'd have thought they'd have had that fixed by now [07:53] in the installed system itself, everytime without failure [07:53] without failure to fail, that its [08:01] ATI seem to be producing decent hardware these days, it's a shame their drivers are junk [08:01]