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TheMuso` | nvm my query above, I misread. | 00:06 |
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smoser | cjwatson, thanks. I subscribed you to bug 524020 where I tried to describe the problem. The big thing is that I don't want to face this again in lucid. | 00:34 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 524020 in Ubuntu Lucid "karmic uec builds fail to publish due to 2 installed -ec2 kernels" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524020 | 00:34 |
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jcole | just wanted to say that using yelp to popup help files in html format is extremely useful :) | 01:02 |
jcole | (aka gnome-help) | 01:02 |
crimsun | bah, I leave for work and stuff explodes. | 01:08 |
crimsun | sorry folks, fixing now. | 01:08 |
persia | Does anyone have a less ugly way to accomplish `LIB=$i; [ -h "$LIB" ] && LIB=$(ls -l $i | cut -d\ -f11); [ -z "$LIB" ] && LIB=$(ls -l $i | cut -d\ -f12); dpkg -S "$LIB" | cut -d: -f1` without awk? | 01:27 |
* persia is using it to try to determine the right package that provides a shared library given a string containing a path to the .so file | 01:28 | |
jcole | persia: what could 'i' be | 01:29 |
jcole | persia: any .so under lib? | 01:29 |
persia | jcole: Yep, assuming libfoo-dev is installed. | 01:30 |
persia | Unfortunately, cut doesn't seem to have a "show me the last element" function, and I'm not sure of a good way to show symlink info other than ls. | 01:31 |
jcole | persia: readlink -f ? | 01:32 |
persia | I knew there was something better :) | 01:32 |
persia | dpkg -S $(readlink -f $i) | cut -d: -f1 works perfectly. Thanks! | 01:33 |
jcole | persia: also if you delimit by directory slashes ('/') you could use basename to extract the "last" column :) | 01:33 |
jcole | persia: no problem | 01:33 |
ccheney | hmm why does onboard pull in the x headers? | 01:38 |
james_w | lifeless: I have no clue as to whether debcommit uses --author | 01:38 |
ccheney | ah i see the bug | 01:39 |
ccheney | 524148 | 01:39 |
jcole | bug 524148 | 01:42 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 524148 in onboard "onboard has overactive dependencies" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524148 | 01:43 |
persia | ccheney: Because it's *hard* to use CDLL sanely :) | 02:02 |
lifeless | slangasek: do you get nervous on every pam upload? | 02:43 |
tlp | sebner, persia: is there a bug report for this pulseaudio regression? | 03:26 |
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crimsun | tlp: which one? The alsa-lib one is already fixed in 1.0.22-0ubuntu4 | 03:50 |
crimsun | tlp: the "unable to change volume controls" one is known; I'll be uploading the fix after testing it locally. | 03:51 |
tlp | crimsun: I did a dist-upgrade this morning from an earlier set of Lucid packages and my sound broke completely, but the pulseaudio process is running | 03:56 |
tlp | I checked alsamixer and nothing seems to be muted | 03:56 |
tlp | by broke I mean there is no output, but otherwise everything seems in order | 03:56 |
tlp | I need to reboot here, but I'll check out syslog shortly | 03:58 |
superm1 | crimsun, did something happen to libpulse-dev? i had a build build against it successfully two days ago, and yesterday it appears to have not? | 04:04 |
superm1 | the configure test for pulse seems to have failed the next day | 04:04 |
superm1 | no code changes on my end | 04:04 |
superm1 | seems to have broken from 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu5 to 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu6, but there is now an ubuntu8, so if I queue another rebuild, should things be fine on ubuntu8? | 04:07 |
LaserJock | good grief that's a nasty looking version number | 04:09 |
superm1 | yeah i have no idea what that really is | 04:10 |
LaserJock | looks like at some point we said "screw it, I'm doing changelog entries in the version string" ;-) | 04:10 |
superm1 | haha | 04:10 |
superm1 | i should click bug links; https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/523716 | 04:11 |
superm1 | that would appear to be the cause of problems | 04:11 |
ubott2 | Ubuntu bug 523716 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio version defined as UNKNOWN, which breaks everything with build-dep on libpulse-dev" [High,Fix released] | 04:11 |
julio | hola buenas | 04:12 |
julio | desde argentina, necesito ayuda | 04:12 |
julio | alguien habla castellano? | 04:12 |
tlp | glad it's not just me who has trouble parsing that | 04:12 |
julio | hay alguien aca? | 04:13 |
julio | pero, pero | 04:14 |
crimsun | LaserJock: upstream hasn't released from the master branch, and their wishes are for us to use another branch (stable-queue). That version string is slightly modified from git-annotate output; essentially it's "32 changesets have been committed since this last tag (0.9.21), and the hash can be uniquely identified by 8478" | 04:14 |
julio | un monton de gente conectada y nadie contesta? | 04:14 |
LaserJock | julio: #ubuntu-es? | 04:14 |
julio | estan todos durmiendo | 04:14 |
julio | ok | 04:14 |
julio | #ubuntu-es | 04:15 |
LaserJock | crimsun: this is something about DVCS I've noticed now, it is much harder to version snapshot packages nicely | 04:15 |
LaserJock | julio: #ubuntu-ar | 04:17 |
LaserJock | julio: http://ubuntu-ar.org/argentina/irc | 04:17 |
LaserJock | julio: Lo siento, no hablo español. este es el mejor que puedo hacer | 04:18 |
* LaserJock crosses fingers that Google didn't just say something dirty ;-) | 04:19 | |
tlp | Feb 18 21:16:18 maya pulseaudio[16207]: module.c: Failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed. | 04:21 |
tlp | I wonder if that has something to do with it | 04:21 |
julio | gracias | 04:25 |
tlp | crimsun: can you give me any leads as to what might have changed to cause this problem? | 04:26 |
StevenK | LaserJock: Haha | 04:27 |
tlp | bah, something did mute ALSA. | 04:28 |
tlp | I didn't catch it the first time. | 04:28 |
tlp | disregard. Someone said earlier what I reported was a known problem, so I assumed there was a regression. | 04:28 |
tlp | I don't understand the relationship between PulseAudio and ALSA well enough to know why that happens, but it happens constantly. | 04:29 |
tlp | but I've gotta go launch alsamixer or something to even notice something is muted | 04:30 |
crimsun | tlp: ok, I'll repeat. There was a change that broke pulseaudio. alsa-plugins was compiled against this broken pulseaudio. I fixed pulseaudio and alsa-plugins, then realized that alsa-lib was missing a configure variable. That was fixed twice. Now the "can't (un)mute/adjust volume" issue is caused by certain alsa-mixer/paths files not being installed but still being referenced. I'm building and testing the fix to push upstr | 04:33 |
tlp | Perhaps it was the former. I don't have any trouble with volume controls in "Sound Preferences" | 04:34 |
tlp | I just know from past experience that silent output, a fair percentage of the time, means something got muted at the ALSA level. So I always check that first. | 04:35 |
crimsun | alsa itself is fine now; it's the mixer paths that are affecting PA | 04:36 |
tlp | okay. thanks for the clarification | 04:44 |
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persia | deb-substvars has successfully confused me. debian/substvars contains "cdll:Depends=libx11-6, libxi6", and debian/control contains "Depends: ${cdll:Depends}". Do I need to do something else to make this just work? Could anyone recommend an example package that does this right? | 05:13 |
StevenK | persia: That should be right | 05:22 |
persia | That's what all the documentation says. Apparently, CDBS adds a special -T which caught me. | 05:23 |
StevenK | persia: An example package I can think of is fbreader, but probably Jaunty | 05:23 |
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* persia is hoping this works this time | 05:23 | |
persia | Thanks. If this doesn't work, I'll look there. That was lpia-magic? | 05:24 |
StevenK | Yeah, that was lpia magic that changed Depends with substvars magic | 05:24 |
StevenK | Too much magic ... | 05:24 |
persia | Indeed. Now there is no special smoke, and we can all rejoice :) | 05:25 |
* cody-somerville rejoices. | 05:27 | |
pitti | Good morning | 05:38 |
pitti | kees: thanks | 05:38 |
crimsun | to summarise: sound problems from yesterday all fixed up. Patches pushed upstream where applicable. Sorry for the delay (real life, work, yadda). | 05:42 |
persia | crimsun: Surely you're not really using yada! | 05:49 |
crimsun | oops, slid that additional 'd' in there | 05:50 |
superm1 | pitti, re bug 523649, that code snippet that it crashed on has been there a while. has the behavior of 'assert' changed in python? from what i gather, it's behavior is changes if __debug__ is True, but that's not manually modifiable. so perhaps that was caused by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-February/005739.html | 06:01 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 523649 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with RuntimeError in progress_loop()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523649 | 06:01 |
superm1 | which makes me thing that assertion isn't correct in the first place the way it's written | 06:02 |
pitti | hi superm1 | 06:03 |
pitti | superm1: I don't think assert changed recently | 06:03 |
superm1 | http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#the-assert-statement . "The current code generator emits no code for an assert statement when optimization is requested at compile time" is what put me on that thought process | 06:04 |
superm1 | and hi pitti :) | 06:05 |
pitti | superm1: do you know whether one of the reported crashes is just a followup of the other one? | 06:09 |
pitti | I never saw two crashes at once so far | 06:10 |
superm1 | pitti, they look like they are caused by one-another to me yes | 06:10 |
superm1 | the important one is the one that crashed in install.py with the assertion error | 06:12 |
superm1 | that runtime error will go away when the assertion error is fixed | 06:12 |
pitti | superm1: ok, please feel free to invalidate the other one then | 06:13 |
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pitti | bryceh: oh, CD builds failed because -nouveau is uninstallable (it's still in universe) | 07:54 |
* pitti promotes and closes MIR | 07:57 | |
bryceh | pitti, danke | 08:00 |
pitti | bryceh: so the lbm metapackage is sorted out now? | 08:00 |
bryceh | pitti, I believe so. | 08:01 |
bryceh | pitti, I haven't verified that yet though | 08:02 |
pitti | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic | 2.6.32.13.14 | lucid | amd64, i386 | 08:02 |
pitti | \o/ | 08:02 |
pitti | Source: linux-meta | 08:02 |
pitti | Depends: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-13-generic | 08:02 |
* bryceh nods | 08:02 | |
pitti | looks fine | 08:02 |
bryceh | yeah I pulled the source and checked the changelog and so on and it all looked kosher | 08:02 |
pitti | bryceh: want to have the pleasure of closing two work items? :-) | 08:02 |
bryceh | on it | 08:02 |
pitti | add nouveau lbm metapackage as dependency to xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: TODO | 08:03 |
pitti | that sounds easy now | 08:03 |
pitti | great, then this should be done | 08:03 |
pitti | well done! | 08:03 |
* pitti yays for KMS on nvidia | 08:03 | |
bryceh | it was a good team effort | 08:03 |
bryceh | thank god for RAOF and Sarvatt | 08:04 |
bryceh | pitti, did you see that we now have apport collecting bugs on X freezes now too? | 08:07 |
pitti | bryceh: yes, I saw the WI and the upload | 08:07 |
pitti | \o/ | 08:07 |
pitti | bryceh: craving for more bug reports? :-) | 08:07 |
bryceh | heh, heck no | 08:07 |
pitti | seriously, I hope this will be a huge help in tracking those down | 08:07 |
pitti | right now we can't do much more than just shrugging, I guess | 08:08 |
pitti | s/right/until/ | 08:08 |
bryceh | actually I think it will help because before people would file bugs about freezes but it took a lot of effort to walk the user through collecting this info | 08:08 |
bryceh | pitti, hmm it looks like lbm is already listed as a depends for -nouveau? | 08:10 |
bryceh | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, | 08:10 |
bryceh | ${misc:Depends}, | 08:10 |
bryceh | ${xserver:Depends}, | 08:10 |
bryceh | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic-pae | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-server | 08:10 |
bryceh | do we need anything beyond that? | 08:11 |
pitti | bryceh: no, only an (obsolete) ABI version, not the metapackage | 08:11 |
bryceh | oh right | 08:11 |
bryceh | so it's enough to just Depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic ? | 08:13 |
pitti | bryceh: I don't see a metapackage for -i386 or -server | 08:14 |
pitti | so from my POV yes | 08:14 |
slangasek | lifeless: generally only the ones when upstream is rewriting code :) | 08:14 |
pitti | bryceh: oh, incidentally this is quite urgent; lbm-n is uninstallable | 08:14 |
pitti | bryceh: due to the obsolete abi | 08:14 |
pitti | bryceh: if you could change that now, I can trigger a new CD build later today, so that we finally have buildable CDs again (also for testing) | 08:15 |
bryceh | doing it now | 08:15 |
pitti | bryceh: cheers | 08:15 |
bryceh | uploaded | 08:15 |
dholbach | good morning | 08:21 |
bryceh | pitti, 3 WIs closed | 08:23 |
pitti | \o/ | 08:23 |
pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html#bryceharrington | 08:24 |
pitti | down to 1 then, go, Bryce, go! | 08:24 |
pitti | Close out all -nv bug reports filed before transition as obsolete due to move | 08:24 |
pitti | now, that sounds like a fun one :) | 08:24 |
bryceh | yep | 08:24 |
pitti | "Status: invalid\n nv, we do not love you any more, kthxbye" | 08:24 |
tjaalton | we still need it for the really old chips though | 08:27 |
pitti | tjaalton: yes, but we still don't love it, I take it :) | 08:28 |
tjaalton | pitti: got that right :) | 08:28 |
pitti | ok, I think the Xsession.d/ scripts are really streamlined now | 08:29 |
bryceh | sweet | 08:29 |
pitti | tjaalton: I hope I didn't screw up any git with my xorg upload? | 08:29 |
bryceh | pitti, I fixed it | 08:30 |
pranith | is the UNR the choice if we want to install on ARM devices? | 08:30 |
pitti | bryceh: my ubuntu6 followup as well? | 08:30 |
tjaalton | pitti: yeah it's ok | 08:30 |
pitti | bryceh: thanks | 08:30 |
tjaalton | that one isn't there yet | 08:31 |
pitti | I think I'm down to exactly one external program now ("cat"), thanks to dash not having $(< file) | 08:31 |
bryceh | pitti, oh no I just did the first one | 08:31 |
pitti | sorry for the blunder of the first one | 08:31 |
tjaalton | bryceh: probably add -nv back to video-all as well? | 08:31 |
pitti | I uploaded that, went to bed, and thought "oh argh" | 08:31 |
bryceh | tjaalton, yep | 08:32 |
bryceh | tjaalton, pushed | 08:32 |
bryceh | pitti, how are we on disk space? | 08:32 |
pitti | bryceh: I don't know; we didn't have buildable CDs for several days | 08:33 |
pitti | I chopped some langpacks | 08:33 |
pitti | but each day there was something else causing uninstallability | 08:33 |
smoser | james_w, somehow , in my greatness, i got http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/cloud-init/lucid/annotate/head%3A/.bzr-builddeb/default.conf commited with "native = True" | 08:33 |
smoser | and that is wreaking havok | 08:33 |
pitti | bryceh: once your -nouveau fix is pushed, I'll trigger a rebuild | 08:33 |
smoser | i branched from that, and worked by way to lp:~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/lucid | 08:34 |
smoser | which i believe is in a "fixed" state. | 08:34 |
bryceh | pitti, subject: [ubuntu/lucid] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 08:36 |
bryceh | 1:0.0.15+git20100128+2630a15-0ubuntu2 (Accepted) | 08:36 |
pitti | bryceh: right, it's already built; now just waiting for the next publisher to finish (in 1:20 hours) | 08:37 |
apw | anyone seen this on the buildds, this is on arm, /usr/bin/dpkg-deb: line 53: 15639 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/pkgmaintainermangler $ORIGINAL_ARGUMENTS | 08:40 |
apw | that message implies dpkg-deb is a script, which its not on my local installs ... | 08:41 |
didrocks | lool: on netbook seed, I see the Germinate workaround about webfav and abrower. I would have thought that we have to list firefox before webfav so that it doesn't download abrowser (and furthemore, if I just try to install abrowser, it tries to install last firefox) | 08:45 |
pitti | bryceh: fun that the freeze hook works now -- there's a typo in teh udev rule: "ACTION=="change" | 08:51 |
pitti | bryceh: (first " before ACTION) | 08:51 |
bryceh | oops | 08:51 |
bryceh | how'd that get there? | 08:51 |
admiral0_wrk | hi | 09:03 |
admiral0_wrk | i'm posting here because it's more relevant than #ubuntu | 09:04 |
admiral0_wrk | where is the source for efl interface in netbook remix? | 09:04 |
pitti | I was just going to answer, but if you disappear after 60 seconds.. | 09:08 |
ogra | pitti, yours to slow, really | 09:09 |
ogra | *you're | 09:09 |
apw | pitti, cjwatson, any suggestions how to debug this: | 09:14 |
apw | /usr/bin/dpkg-deb: line 53: 15639 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/pkgmaintainermangler $ORIGINAL_ARGUMENTS | 09:14 |
apw | dh_builddeb: dpkg-deb --build debian/sata-modules-2.6.32-14-versatile-di ../sata-modules-2.6.32-14-versatile-di_2.6.32-14.19_armel.udeb returned exit code 139 | 09:14 |
apw | seems to only occur on buildds | 09:15 |
ogra | apw, buildd hiccup, just give back | 09:17 |
apw | why the heck did it have to do it on the build which takes 6 hours ... ie. arm | 09:19 |
* primes2h waves tseliot | 09:19 | |
ogra | apw, because it only does that with very long building packages ... | 09:19 |
ogra | apw, aks the kde guys how much fun they have with our armel buildds :) | 09:20 |
ogra | *ask even | 09:20 |
primes2h | tseliot: Did you read the last comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/499445 | 09:20 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 499445 in linux "Conflicts between Broadcom 4312 wireless driver and internal Bluetooth on HP Mini 110" [High,Invalid] | 09:20 |
primes2h | tseliot: I think a SRU could be worthwhile | 09:21 |
primes2h | tseliot: That version has just been uploaded in Lucid.. | 09:22 |
primes2h | tseliot: as I see some days ago | 09:22 |
primes2h | tseliot: What do you think? | 09:23 |
pitti | apw: urgh, no immediate idea I'm afraid :/ | 09:26 |
pitti | apw: maintainermangler is just pure shell | 09:26 |
apw | yay | 09:26 |
ogra | apw, itzs very likely a buildd kernel memory management issue ... and we cant replace the kernels on these machines easily | 09:27 |
tseliot | primes2h: yes, I did that upload. We're considering idea of an SRU | 09:33 |
primes2h | tseliot: That's really nice. So can I nominate it for Karmic? | 09:35 |
tseliot | primes2h: it's something we'll deal with if we decide to file an SRU | 09:36 |
primes2h | tseliot: Ok, so I'll patiently wait for it ;-) | 09:37 |
primes2h | Thank you. | 09:37 |
tseliot | np | 09:37 |
davidekholm | Hi. I'm the founder of Jalbum (http://jalbum.net). We've just adopted our web photo album software for Ubuntu and packaged it as a .deb package | 10:11 |
davidekholm | Can anyone here give me guidance on how to get Jalbum into "Ubuntu Software Center" | 10:11 |
davidekholm | We're true freeware, no crippleware, but Jalbum is only 50% open source - generic code under LGPL but still some core code not opened. | 10:12 |
davidekholm | Anyone with input on this? | 10:18 |
Tm_T | davidekholm: I think that falls to #ubuntu-motu (: | 10:19 |
davidekholm | Ok. I'll post there and see what repsonse I get. | 10:20 |
pitti | superm1: would you happen to know an easy workaround for the installer failure? | 10:33 |
pitti | superm1: oops -- it just occured to me that it didn't even ask me for partitioning | 10:39 |
soren | Is it intentional that onboard pulls in a whole stack of x development packages? | 10:41 |
soren | persia: You touched it last :) Any idea? | 10:43 |
wgrant | soren: He last touched it to remove those dependencies. | 10:48 |
soren | Oh. Heh :) | 10:50 |
* soren kicks his mirror around a bit | 10:50 | |
Phurl | hi all, I have a problem with building a qt app on karmic. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/524354 do I need to upgrade my qt? | 11:48 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 524354 in qt4-x11 "problem building qgis from source cannot call constructor ‘QVariant::QVariant’ directly" [Undecided,New] | 11:48 |
pitti | bryceh: yay, I just got an apport reported freeze bug! | 12:00 |
jdub | pitti: thanks for remotely teaching me about the type builtin today :-) | 12:01 |
pitti | hey jdub, how are you? | 12:01 |
jdub | pitti: lovely - you? | 12:01 |
pitti | I'm great, thanks! | 12:01 |
pitti | still struggling with boot speed, though | 12:02 |
jdub | lucid is rocking along nicely | 12:02 |
pitti | yeah, it is, if only plymouth would work :) | 12:02 |
jdub | heh | 12:02 |
jdub | been having issues with that on my netbook, but not my desktop | 12:02 |
pitti | bryceh: except that the GPU dump says "no such file or directory" :( perhaps it doesn't get along so well with collecting infos after a reboot | 12:03 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - how do you get apport to report a freeze? | 12:09 |
chrisccoulson | X freezes constantly on my laptop now | 12:09 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: it "just happens" | 12:09 |
pitti | xserver-xorg-video-intel.2010-02-19_12:55:36.379175.crash | 12:09 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - it's magic? ;) | 12:09 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: with today's xorg | 12:10 |
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bryceh | pitti: sweet... did you not have intel_reg_dumper installed maybe? | 12:20 |
pitti | indeed I don't | 12:21 |
pitti | xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg, isn't it? | 12:21 |
pitti | ah, no, intel-gpu-tools | 12:22 |
* pitti -> lunch | 12:22 | |
nigelb | bryceh: thanks for sponsoring a debdiff I posted a few days back :) | 12:23 |
bryceh | nigelb, my pleasure | 12:23 |
nigelb | :) | 12:23 |
jiboumans | hi gents, we got a question on the ubuntu-server mailing list about nfs v4 for lucid+1. has anyone here given that any thought before? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-February/003808.html | 13:05 |
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ttx | Hm, looks like console-setup no longer sets up keyboard on recent ISOs | 13:58 |
ttx | bug 524439 | 14:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 524439 in console-setup "20100219 Server ISO fails to set up console keyboard correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524439 | 14:06 |
pitti | apw, tjaalton: do you happen to know about the status of bug 507148? | 14:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 507148 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507148 | 14:26 |
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pitti | this sounds like it could require a painful backport of the .33 ati driver? (AFAIUI, upstream does not recommend us to use .32, but .33, which will be supported longer) | 14:27 |
apw | pitti, i think that one is the one where KMS doesn't work for that board, and it also crashes a bit | 14:27 |
apw | if so: then i think we had a few patches for it which might mean nomodeset might work for it | 14:28 |
apw | but ... as you say upstream is saying "2.6.32 is crap use .33 we don't care about .32' | 14:28 |
apw | its not clear how that gives us any more support really as they won't care about .33 in about 2 weeks either | 14:28 |
pitti | apw: hm, I thought they said "we'll support that longer", perhaps they also release something with it? | 14:28 |
apw | yeah but htat might just mean, "cause we care about the previous release until the next one" for all i actually know | 14:29 |
pitti | ok | 14:29 |
apw | pitti, but yes we are getting pressure for ati to be .33 indeed they are actually saying 'drm' at .32 is crap | 14:30 |
apw | and that we should be backporting .33 drm en-toto for long term use | 14:30 |
hyperair | http://pastebin.com/m58534978 <-- is udev supposed to fork this many times? | 14:30 |
pitti | that sounds like fun | 14:30 |
apw | i have an action to see how hard that is, then its up to bryceh to chose i suspect | 14:30 |
pitti | hyperair: erm, no | 14:30 |
hyperair | pitti: okay. this is weird >_> | 14:32 |
* hyperair sighs. such a problematic laptop | 14:32 | |
hyperair | from pulseaudio leaking memory to udev forkbombing to undetected usb devices... | 14:32 |
hyperair | i can't possibly think of any machine that is less ubuntu-friendly than this | 14:32 |
tjaalton | apw, pitti: f12 already has the .33 drm on top of .32, so it'll end up in rhel6 as well | 14:33 |
tjaalton | and at least bits from .34 | 14:33 |
pitti | what a mess :/ | 14:33 |
tjaalton | why? | 14:33 |
apw | upstream drm seems to have no idea what 'release' means | 14:33 |
apw | its not meant to mean 'drop the tip ... NOW' | 14:34 |
apw | tjaalton, how do you expect to be able to support a lash up like that for 5 yeas | 14:34 |
tjaalton | .32 drm is buggy all over the place | 14:34 |
tjaalton | 3y for the desktop | 14:35 |
apw | you'd think they would produce some fixes for it though wouldn't you | 14:35 |
tjaalton | just pull in what rhel6 has | 14:35 |
pitti | I guess going with .33 is entirely out of question? | 14:35 |
apw | pitti, the whole of .33? | 14:35 |
tjaalton | pitti: no, that's what will likely happen | 14:35 |
tjaalton | just the drm of course | 14:35 |
pitti | apw: yes | 14:35 |
tjaalton | drm is self-contained | 14:36 |
pitti | (for having the same kernel version as other distros, and thus sharing patches, etc.) | 14:36 |
apw | it would put us out of sync with long term support release | 14:36 |
tjaalton | pretty much completely separate from the rest of the kernel | 14:36 |
pitti | tjaalton: oh, it's relatively independent of the other kernel bits? | 14:36 |
tjaalton | pitti: right | 14:36 |
apw | the other distros seem to be going .32 + .33 drm | 14:36 |
pitti | if it's sanely possible to pull the drm .33 bits, this would certainly be better than taking all of .33 | 14:37 |
tjaalton | we also need the nouveau abi bump that'll happen for .34 (and was reverted from the libdrm 2.4.18 I just uploaded) | 14:37 |
* pitti remembers a recent LKML post about Linus not being happy about so many recent regressions | 14:37 | |
apw | pitti, yeah ... i am lookin at it | 14:37 |
pitti | apw: May the source be with you! | 14:37 |
apw | the nouveau people are even worse | 14:37 |
tjaalton | http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kernel/F-12/drm-upgrayedd.patch?view=log | 14:38 |
tjaalton | well, nouveau hasn't even had a release yet | 14:38 |
tjaalton | but it should happen after .33 I think | 14:39 |
apw | its in .33? | 14:39 |
tjaalton | yes | 14:39 |
apw | so when .33 releases it will be released | 14:39 |
tjaalton | that's why lbm has it no? :) | 14:39 |
tjaalton | well I meant the ddx | 14:39 |
tjaalton | there has been no tagged releases | 14:39 |
tjaalton | so far | 14:39 |
apw | so there will be no userspace support for .33 nouveau ? | 14:43 |
tjaalton | apw: we have it now, but we need to backport fixes from >= .34 in the future, so having the new abi in lucid is beneficial | 14:48 |
apw | what a damn mess | 14:49 |
tjaalton | it's still better than status quo | 14:49 |
apw | dpeends if you have to try and maintain the kernel that results from the fusion | 14:56 |
soren | I'm confused by the locale names I see in Lucid. So, gdm sets my $LANG to da_DK.utf8. It's been da_DK.UTF-8 since almost forever, but now it's changed. /usr/lib/locale/da_DK.utf8 does exist, but "locale-gen $LANG" no longer works, since locale-gen still expects da_DK.UTF-8. | 15:06 |
soren | I'm not sure who or what to blame. | 15:07 |
BenC | Good morning people of Ubuntu | 15:09 |
ion | pitti: Yay for a default keyboard shortcut for launching a term. | 15:12 |
soren | BenC: Hey dude. | 15:12 |
pitti | ion: :) | 15:12 |
dholbach | bah, why does rhythmbox try to index my whole harddisk everytime I start it | 15:17 |
dholbach | ok, rather ~, but that's still bad enough | 15:18 |
ion | Do you have ~ set as the media library path? | 15:19 |
davmor2 | guys une doesn't show the install option in favourites | 15:23 |
ion | apw: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic is mistyped with ‘noveau’. linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic-pae depends on linux-backports-modules-2.6.32-13-generic-pae instead of linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-13-generic-pae. | 15:25 |
dholbach | ion: I don't have a media library path set | 15:30 |
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apw | ion, ta | 15:40 |
soren | I wonder if it'd make sense to have the build-essential seed not include recommends. | 15:50 |
soren | It would free at least a couple of MB on the ISOs. | 15:51 |
soren | (manpages-dev alone eats 3 MB) | 15:51 |
soren | brb | 15:53 |
Laibsch | Hi | 15:53 |
Laibsch | git-buildpackage in lucid currently does not handle dpkg v3 which I guess is a pretty serious thing. The version in testing and unstable does. I think there is a minimal patch available that could be backported to the lucid package but I wonder if it isn't better to still try a merge instead. Opinions? | 15:55 |
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* Laibsch is afraid we may end up backporting just about everything | 15:55 | |
superm1 | pitti, i think it's a small fix, the pointer that partitioning wasn't being asked is the real problem | 16:02 |
kitallis | \//k | 16:08 |
persia | soren: We talked about `locale-gen ${foo}.utf8` earlier, and the consensus seemed to be that either vm-builder needed to do something like language-selector to get a complete list of locales (and match against it), or just check for well-formedness, as 1) the complete list of locales is not available locally without extra work, and 2) the set of locales differs by release. | 16:14 |
soren | persia: It does seem rather odd that "locale-gen $LANG" doesn't work. | 16:16 |
soren | regardless | 16:16 |
persia | Why should it work? There's no guarantee that the relevant langpack is installed in the chroot. | 16:16 |
soren | Not in my chroot. | 16:16 |
soren | On my own system. | 16:16 |
persia | OK. There's no guarantee that the relevant langpack is installed on your system :) | 16:17 |
soren | $ locale-gen $LANG || echo this is weird | 16:17 |
soren | this is weird | 16:17 |
soren | Well.. it is. | 16:17 |
soren | locale-gen expects the charset to be "UTF-8", not "utf8". | 16:18 |
persia | soren: You may want to review http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/18/#ubuntu-devel.txt from 21:25 for more in-depth discussion. | 16:18 |
ogra | well, there is no guarantee that $LANG is sometinh locale-gen can use | 16:18 |
soren | I didn't say I wanted a guarantee. | 16:18 |
soren | i'm just saying it's odd. | 16:18 |
soren | Can't we just all please accept that my life would be easier if everyone else did something differently? | 16:19 |
soren | kthxbai | 16:19 |
persia | Accepting that is easy. Now make sure it's everyone's goal :) | 16:19 |
pitti | soren: I can't make a lot of sense from this either, FWIW; locales have been .UTF-8 forever, and in lucid libc6 seems to have switched to .utf8 | 16:20 |
pitti | like "almost, but not quite" | 16:20 |
soren | pitti: Exactly. | 16:20 |
pitti | I haven't investigated it at all, though | 16:20 |
ogra | i know cjwatson has looked at it | 16:20 |
pitti | soren: however, locale-gen $LANG does work | 16:20 |
soren | It doesn't. | 16:21 |
ogra | it doesnt | 16:21 |
pitti | it's just that LANG=de_DE.utf8, not .UTF-8 any more | 16:21 |
soren | It silently fails. | 16:21 |
soren | Check the exit code. | 16:21 |
pitti | oh | 16:21 |
pitti | ok, that's a bug | 16:21 |
soren | ...and try it with UTF-8. | 16:21 |
soren | See the difference. | 16:21 |
* persia suspects a bug in locale-gen | 16:21 | |
pitti | GENERATE=`grep -E "^${1}( |[._@][^[:space:]]* )UTF-8" /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED` | 16:21 |
pitti | that was me, in ancient times | 16:22 |
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soren | Oh! | 16:23 |
pitti | /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED also needs to be updated then, I figure | 16:24 |
pitti | but I'm still not sure what the "canonical" form is | 16:24 |
pitti | we don't do any migration on upgrade right now | 16:24 |
pitti | and I don't even know whether .utf8 was even intentional | 16:25 |
soren | We can argue all day long that /[uU][tT][fF]-?8/ are all valid ways to write it, but we've always done it one particular way. It would be nice to at least understand why it changed. | 16:25 |
pitti | ack | 16:25 |
* pitti will read the IRC link from persia after meeting | 16:26 | |
soren | ..and for another week, I'm still getting paid to understand this operating system, and not just accept when it changes underneath me. :) | 16:27 |
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mdeslaur | soren: you know that by saying that you've effectively deferred the investigation for a week, right? :) | 16:28 |
soren | mdeslaur: I do now :( | 16:28 |
soren | Darn it. | 16:28 |
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mathiaz | what needs to be done to promote a binary package to main? (puppet-common is currently in universe - while puppet is in main) | 16:40 |
mathiaz | puppet-common is already in the component-mismatch list since puppet and puppetmaster (both in main) depend on it | 16:41 |
pitti | mathiaz: just poke an archive admin | 16:41 |
* pitti looks | 16:41 | |
pitti | mathiaz: done | 16:42 |
mathiaz | pitti: \o/ - thank you! | 16:42 |
qense | pitti: there is this comment in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf: "# NOTE this will change Fall '07 when RHT switches to bugzilla 3.x!" Fall '07 has already been a while ago now, is it still valid? | 16:49 |
pitti | qense: no, I don't think so; Fedora decided to NIH apport | 16:49 |
qense | pitti: ok, then shouldn't this be removed? | 16:51 |
qense | (me=afk) | 16:53 |
pitti | qense: we could, yes, but it would be a rather pointless conffile change | 16:53 |
qense | pitti: ok | 16:53 |
pitti | qense: if I'll ever change it for another reason, I'll remove the entire stanza | 16:53 |
lool | Would someone be so kind to NEW linux on all arches? | 16:54 |
pitti | lool: I'm on it | 16:58 |
lool | pitti: Thanks a lot! | 16:58 |
lool | That will allow to poke the versatile armel udebs over the weekend | 16:58 |
lool | (and will also allow me to give back user-mode-linux, but that's minor) | 16:59 |
pitti | l;oall done | 17:03 |
pitti | argh, what was that | 17:03 |
pitti | lool: all done | 17:03 |
pitti | right in time for the publisher | 17:03 |
lool | pitti: thanks a lot! | 17:03 |
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pitti | superm1: my hero! | 17:05 |
superm1 | :) | 17:08 |
geser | ScottK: does this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pysvn/+bug/523863/comments/5 answer your question? | 17:16 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 523863 in pysvn "Merge pysvn 1.7.2-2 from Debian testing" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:16 |
superm1 | pitti, after that publishes can you queue up an ubuntu daily-live rebuild? I'm suspecting it's far more widespread than just your hardware.. the consequences were pushing the partman pages out to "post-install" pages | 17:21 |
nigelb | Do we still have time to add apport hooks to packages? | 17:21 |
pitti | superm1: sure; I was going to fiddle with the seeds anyway to make it not overflown any more | 17:22 |
nigelb | been thinking of creating a rhythmbox hook. Wondering if its still possible for lucid | 17:23 |
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smoser | slangasek, the branch linked to bug 524516 has all the needed fixes in it. | 17:49 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 524516 in cloud-init "[FFE] run cloud-init early and add runcmd support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524516 | 17:49 |
smoser | verified that with that build and a new upstart, it runs early and reliably. | 17:49 |
smoser | slangasek, how should i proceed there ? | 17:50 |
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slangasek | smoser: I'm going to take care of fixing upstart today; do you want to wait for that before changing cloud-init, or maybe just have cloud-init add a versioned dep on upstart? | 17:54 |
smoser | well, if you're going to get it fixed today, i'm ok to wait. | 17:54 |
smoser | if you think i should add a versioned dep, then i'm ok to do that. | 17:55 |
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ScottK | geser: It does. | 17:58 |
slangasek | smoser: so what was the other cloud-init job with the unsatisfiable 'and' condition (and what was the condition)? | 18:00 |
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smoser | well, it seemed that anything that depended on 'cloud-config and local-filesystems' or 'cloud-config and filesystems' would cause issues. | 18:01 |
smoser | err.. wait. | 18:02 |
smoser | yeah, thats right. | 18:02 |
smoser | cloud-init emits cloud-config, and anything that had those 'start on' listed above would seemingly block boot. | 18:03 |
smoser | i changed them to just depend on filesystems, with the implicit assertion that cloud-config would alrady be done at that point. | 18:04 |
shtylman_ | where is the best place to ask about package dependency conerns/problems? | 18:10 |
fabrice_sp | dbus is back in lucid? I thought it would disappear in lucid | 18:14 |
smoser | slangasek, please let me know if you need anything from me. | 18:15 |
persia | shtylman_: Depends on the package. Here works, or a team channel for the developers working on that packages, if it's specific. | 18:17 |
shtylman_ | persia: k | 18:18 |
shtylman_ | well...my problems started with: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/liblua5.1-sql-mysql-2 | 18:18 |
shtylman_ | which wants 15off version | 18:18 |
shtylman_ | and other system libraries use the 16 version | 18:18 |
shtylman_ | so I get some conflicts and executables with two versions in them | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | and nice warnings like: | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libmysqlclient.so.16, needed by | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libmysqlpp.so, may | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | conflict with libmysqlclient.so.15 | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | and I don't seem to be able to remove one or the other without causing a massive removal of other packages.... | 18:19 |
shtylman_ | I dunno if its an actual issue...but I figured I would ask | 18:20 |
shtylman_ | and get some clarification | 18:20 |
fabrice_sp | shtylman, in Debian, this package is using 16 version, so it seems that the ubuntu version needs to be rebuilt | 18:22 |
shtylman_ | fabrice_sp: do I need to file a bug or something? | 18:22 |
shtylman_ | cause right now it makes things kinda broken :) | 18:23 |
fabrice_sp | shtylman, no bug reported right now, so file one, please :-) | 18:23 |
shtylman_ | against which package? and how should I describe it? to make it clear and such | 18:24 |
fabrice_sp | agains liblua5.1-sql-mysql-2 | 18:25 |
shtylman_ | fabrice_sp: k | 18:25 |
fabrice_sp | a lot of pacakges still depends on 15off ,so it seems some transition is on going | 18:25 |
fabrice_sp | (or missing) | 18:26 |
shtylman_ | heh | 18:26 |
shtylman_ | fabrice_sp: should I subscribe anyone to it? or leave as default | 18:32 |
fabrice_sp | subscribe me (fabricesp): you just uncovered a wide issue, so I'll have a look (a rebuild is not enought) | 18:33 |
fabrice_sp | shtylman, ^ | 18:33 |
shtylman_ | fabrice_sp: will do... I loe uncovering wide issues :) | 18:33 |
fabrice_sp | :-D | 18:34 |
slangasek | smoser: ah, right, presumably because cloud-init isn't emitting cloud-config asynchronously :) | 18:44 |
slangasek | but yes, an implicit assertion is fine | 18:44 |
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smoser | slangasek, regarding the FFE bug, please let me knwo if you need anything . | 21:01 |
smoser | i have to be leaving, but will check in later. | 21:01 |
slangasek | smoser: which FFe bug is this? I don't see anything in my mailbox suggesting ubuntu-release has been subscribed to a bug | 21:06 |
smoser | hm.. | 21:07 |
smoser | bug 524516 | 21:07 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 524516 in cloud-init "[FFE] run cloud-init early and add runcmd support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524516 | 21:07 |
slangasek | oh, 524516, I see it on the webpage | 21:07 |
smoser | i was under the impression you'd sponsor that for me? or do i need to get someone else. | 21:07 |
smoser | sorry if that was way off base. | 21:07 |
slangasek | right - ok, will process that and let you know | 21:08 |
slangasek | well, I was saying that I was fixing upstart, which I've just uploaded | 21:08 |
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jbebel | cjwatson: You'll be interested in fixing 524637. patch supplied. | 21:31 |
slangasek | smoser: the branch you've linked from 524516 doesn't correspond to the archive at all | 21:39 |
slangasek | smoser: cloud-init is at 0.5.5-0ubuntu2 in the archive; the bzr branch's changelog lists neither of 0.5.5-0ubuntu{1,2} | 21:40 |
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lamalex | Hi, I'm getting confused on what the procedure is to have a package sync'd from debian into universe | 22:00 |
lamalex | Do I still file a needs-packaging bug? | 22:00 |
lifeless | requestsync | 22:02 |
lamalex | !requestsync | 22:03 |
c_korn | !syncrequest | lamalex | 22:04 |
ubottu | lamalex: Helpful information for filing a sync request can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 22:04 |
lifeless | lamalex: its a command, in ubuntu-dev-tools | 22:05 |
lamalex | lifeless: yah, I just saw that | 22:05 |
lamalex | thanks | 22:05 |
lamalex | lifeless: does this apply for new packages as well? | 22:05 |
lifeless | yes, though its a little tricky to get the bug filed | 22:06 |
lifeless | I normally upload a stub package to my ppa to make the SPR and then I can file the bug:P | 22:06 |
lamalex | hm actually it's already been sync'd. I don't know how I missed it when I was searching the first time | 22:07 |
slangasek | lifeless: you don't just file it against Ubuntu, nopackage? | 22:07 |
lifeless | slangasek: no | 22:07 |
lifeless | slangasek: the other thing I tend to do is waylay an archive admin | 22:07 |
slangasek | tsk, queuejumper | 22:08 |
lifeless | slangasek: not at all | 22:08 |
lifeless | slangasek: I say 'please run the damn queue' | 22:08 |
slangasek | we're past DebianImportFreeze | 22:08 |
slangasek | so that won't get you much :) | 22:08 |
lifeless | slangasek: so I'll queuejump now ;) | 22:08 |
ScottK | lamalex: We're past Feature Freeze, so you'd need a feature freeze exception and a good reason. | 22:10 |
lamalex | ScottK: doesn't matter anyway | 22:10 |
lamalex | it's been sunc(?) | 22:11 |
persia | synchronised | 22:11 |
lifeless | sunk, but its a false friend | 22:11 |
lifeless | synced | 22:11 |
lamalex | I'm gonna stick with sunc, it's got nice phenomes | 22:12 |
lamalex | very guttural | 22:12 |
slangasek | I endorse this participle | 22:24 |
slangasek | smoser: "cloud config and local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=eth0" - "local-filesystems" should always be after the other two if this package is installed, no? | 22:29 |
ev | jbebel: committed and uploaded | 22:46 |
ev | 524637, that is | 22:46 |
jbebel | ev, excellent, thanks! | 22:47 |
ev | sure thing. Thanks for the patch! | 22:47 |
lifeless | james_w: did you file a bug about trial <-> testresources and your port listening resource? | 22:48 |
james_w | no | 22:48 |
lifeless | I just found the mail you sent me before we spoke | 22:48 |
lifeless | I would like it if you filed a bug /somewhere/ - there clearly is a problem | 22:49 |
james_w | I sent it after we spoke, when you asked me to send you a mail about it so that you could file the bug at twistedmatrix | 22:50 |
slangasek | smoser: oh, ignore me, that's exactly what you fixed, I was reading the diff backwards | 22:50 |
james_w | or at least, that's what I understood from our combination | 22:50 |
lifeless | james_w: ah! ok. I shall handle | 22:51 |
james_w | thanks | 22:51 |
james_w | you'll to a better job of the discussion with them than I woul | 22:51 |
slangasek | smoser: "start on filesystems" - that's not the documented event that mountall emits, that should be 'filesystem' | 22:53 |
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YokoZar | What happened to libxtrap6? Was it obsolete? | 23:04 |
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smoser | slangasek, where did i have that ? | 23:22 |
smoser | slangasek, i'll be back in ~ 1 hour or so. | 23:23 |
slangasek | smoser: which? | 23:27 |
smoser | ... | 23:27 |
smoser | i'll push a fix for that to that branch | 23:27 |
smoser | you're right on filesystems | 23:27 |
slangasek | smoser: the 'start on filesystems' is in cloud-config-ssh.conf, cloud-disable-ec2-metadata... ok | 23:27 |
smoser | right. | 23:27 |
smoser | thank you for noticing that. | 23:27 |
smoser | ok. slangasek that is pushed now to the lucid branch | 23:29 |
smoser | the one linked there. | 23:29 |
slangasek | smoser: ok, thanks. can you clarify for me why the previous changelog entries went away when you rebased to 0.5.6 - was that just a casualty of a revert? | 23:30 |
smoser | it was a causualty of .bzr-builddeb | 23:30 |
smoser | and being "native" | 23:30 |
slangasek | smoser: also, is there an upstream tarball available somewhere for use when uploading this? Otherwise it just ends up as a native package again. | 23:30 |
slangasek | no, I think "being native" is a red herring here | 23:30 |
smoser | the 0.5.5 merge was never done in that branch | 23:30 |
smoser | so i backed to 0.5.4 and then jumpbed forward, just ditching the merge-upstream for 0.5.5 | 23:31 |
slangasek | ah | 23:31 |
smoser | merge-upstream moaned that it didn't have the tags for the 0.5.6 version | 23:31 |
smoser | err 0.5.5 | 23:31 |
smoser | so it wouldn't let me go to 0.5.6 | 23:31 |
slangasek | right | 23:31 |
smoser | i might have those numbers wrong | 23:32 |
smoser | but i just forced it | 23:32 |
smoser | sorry | 23:32 |
smoser | the upstream tarball should be creatable by bzr-builddeb | 23:32 |
smoser | but it is available for download | 23:32 |
smoser | http://smoser.brickies.net/ | 23:33 |
smoser | (bad, i know). i'll put it somehwere more official | 23:34 |
smoser | i have to run . i'll check back in in 1 hour. | 23:34 |
slangasek | smoser: oh, you have two references to the same bug # in your changelog - can you fix that (I think maybe you wanted to add 524516 as the second one), add a tag for the release, and I'll sponsor? | 23:34 |
pyrak | Hey guys, we just launched this new thing on openhatch.org where we're letting people tell the community how to get involved in specific open source projects | 23:38 |
pyrak | here's the page for ubuntu: https://openhatch.org/+projects/Ubuntu | 23:38 |
pyrak | we'd love to get some feedback on how this kind of thing could be more useful. like, are there different questions we should be asking? | 23:40 |
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