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TheMuso`nvm my query above, I misread.00:06
smosercjwatson, thanks. I subscribed you to bug 524020 where I tried to describe the problem.  The big thing is that I don't want to face this again in lucid.00:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524020 in Ubuntu Lucid "karmic uec builds fail to publish due to 2 installed -ec2 kernels" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52402000:34
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jcolejust wanted to say that using yelp to popup help files in html format is extremely useful :)01:02
jcole(aka gnome-help)01:02
crimsunbah, I leave for work and stuff explodes.01:08
crimsunsorry folks, fixing now.01:08
persiaDoes anyone have a less ugly way to accomplish `LIB=$i; [ -h "$LIB" ] && LIB=$(ls -l $i | cut -d\  -f11); [ -z "$LIB" ] && LIB=$(ls -l $i | cut -d\  -f12); dpkg -S "$LIB" | cut -d: -f1` without awk?01:27
* persia is using it to try to determine the right package that provides a shared library given a string containing a path to the .so file01:28
jcolepersia: what could 'i' be01:29
jcolepersia: any .so under lib?01:29
persiajcole: Yep, assuming libfoo-dev is installed.01:30
persiaUnfortunately, cut doesn't seem to have a "show me the last element" function, and I'm not sure of a good way to show symlink info other than ls.01:31
jcolepersia: readlink -f ?01:32
persiaI knew there was something better :)01:32
persiadpkg -S $(readlink -f $i) | cut -d: -f1 works perfectly.  Thanks!01:33
jcolepersia: also if you delimit by directory slashes ('/') you could use basename to extract the "last" column :)01:33
jcolepersia: no problem01:33
ccheneyhmm why does onboard pull in the x headers?01:38
james_wlifeless: I have no clue as to whether debcommit uses --author01:38
ccheneyah i see the bug01:39
ccheney52414801:39
jcolebug 52414801:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524148 in onboard "onboard has overactive dependencies" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52414801:43
persiaccheney: Because it's *hard* to use CDLL sanely :)02:02
lifelessslangasek: do you get nervous on every pam upload?02:43
tlpsebner, persia: is there a bug report for this pulseaudio regression?03:26
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crimsuntlp: which one? The alsa-lib one is already fixed in 1.0.22-0ubuntu403:50
crimsuntlp: the "unable to change volume controls" one is known; I'll be uploading the fix after testing it locally.03:51
tlpcrimsun: I did a dist-upgrade this morning from an earlier set of Lucid packages and my sound broke completely, but the pulseaudio process is running03:56
tlpI checked alsamixer and nothing seems to be muted03:56
tlpby broke I mean there is no output, but otherwise everything seems in order03:56
tlpI need to reboot here, but I'll check out syslog shortly03:58
superm1crimsun, did something happen to libpulse-dev?  i had a build build against it successfully two days ago, and yesterday it appears to have not?04:04
superm1the configure test for pulse seems to have failed the next day04:04
superm1no code changes on my end04:04
superm1seems to have broken from 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu5 to 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu6, but there is now an ubuntu8, so if I queue another rebuild, should things be fine on ubuntu8?04:07
LaserJockgood grief that's a nasty looking version number04:09
superm1yeah i have no idea what that really is04:10
LaserJocklooks like at some point we said "screw it, I'm doing changelog entries in the version string" ;-)04:10
superm1haha04:10
superm1i should click bug links; https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/52371604:11
superm1that would appear to be the cause of problems04:11
ubott2Ubuntu bug 523716 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio version defined as UNKNOWN, which breaks everything with build-dep on libpulse-dev" [High,Fix released]04:11
juliohola buenas04:12
juliodesde argentina, necesito ayuda04:12
julioalguien habla castellano?04:12
tlpglad it's not just me who has trouble parsing that04:12
juliohay alguien aca?04:13
juliopero, pero04:14
crimsunLaserJock: upstream hasn't released from the master branch, and their wishes are for us to use another branch (stable-queue). That version string is slightly modified from git-annotate output; essentially it's "32 changesets have been committed since this last tag (0.9.21), and the hash can be uniquely identified by 8478"04:14
julioun monton de gente conectada y nadie contesta?04:14
LaserJockjulio: #ubuntu-es?04:14
julioestan todos durmiendo04:14
juliook04:14
julio#ubuntu-es04:15
LaserJockcrimsun: this is something about DVCS I've noticed now, it is much harder to version snapshot packages nicely04:15
LaserJockjulio: #ubuntu-ar04:17
LaserJockjulio: http://ubuntu-ar.org/argentina/irc04:17
LaserJockjulio: Lo siento, no hablo español. este es el mejor que puedo hacer04:18
* LaserJock crosses fingers that Google didn't just say something dirty ;-)04:19
tlpFeb 18 21:16:18 maya pulseaudio[16207]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed.04:21
tlpI wonder if that has something to do with it04:21
juliogracias04:25
tlpcrimsun: can you give me any leads as to what might have changed to cause this problem?04:26
StevenKLaserJock: Haha04:27
tlpbah, something did mute ALSA.04:28
tlpI didn't catch it the first time.04:28
tlpdisregard. Someone said earlier what I reported was a known problem, so I assumed there was a regression.04:28
tlpI don't understand the relationship between PulseAudio and ALSA well enough to know why that happens, but it happens constantly.04:29
tlpbut I've gotta go launch alsamixer or something to even notice something is muted04:30
crimsuntlp: ok, I'll repeat. There was a change that broke pulseaudio. alsa-plugins was compiled against this broken pulseaudio. I fixed pulseaudio and alsa-plugins, then realized that alsa-lib was missing a configure variable. That was fixed twice. Now the "can't (un)mute/adjust volume" issue is caused by certain alsa-mixer/paths files not being installed but still being referenced. I'm building and testing the fix to push upstr04:33
tlpPerhaps it was the former. I don't have any trouble with volume controls in "Sound Preferences"04:34
tlpI just know from past experience that silent output, a fair percentage of the time, means something got muted at the ALSA level. So I always check that first.04:35
crimsunalsa itself is fine now; it's the mixer paths that are affecting PA04:36
tlpokay. thanks for the clarification04:44
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persiadeb-substvars has successfully confused me.  debian/substvars contains "cdll:Depends=libx11-6, libxi6", and debian/control contains "Depends: ${cdll:Depends}".  Do I need to do something else to make this just work?  Could anyone recommend an example package that does this right?05:13
StevenKpersia: That should be right05:22
persiaThat's what all the documentation says.  Apparently, CDBS adds a special -T which caught me.05:23
StevenKpersia: An example package I can think of is fbreader, but probably Jaunty05:23
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* persia is hoping this works this time05:23
persiaThanks.  If this doesn't work, I'll look there.  That was lpia-magic?05:24
StevenKYeah, that was lpia magic that changed Depends with substvars magic05:24
StevenKToo much magic ...05:24
persiaIndeed.  Now there is no special smoke, and we can all rejoice :)05:25
* cody-somerville rejoices.05:27
pittiGood morning05:38
pittikees: thanks05:38
crimsunto summarise: sound problems from yesterday all fixed up. Patches pushed upstream where applicable. Sorry for the delay (real life, work, yadda).05:42
persiacrimsun: Surely you're not really using yada!05:49
crimsunoops, slid that additional 'd' in there05:50
superm1pitti, re bug 523649, that code snippet that it crashed on has been there a while.  has the behavior of 'assert' changed in python? from what i gather, it's behavior is changes if __debug__ is True, but that's not manually modifiable.  so perhaps that was caused by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-February/005739.html06:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 523649 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with RuntimeError in progress_loop()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52364906:01
superm1which makes me thing that assertion isn't correct in the first place the way it's written06:02
pittihi superm106:03
pittisuperm1: I don't think assert changed recently06:03
superm1http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#the-assert-statement .  "The current code generator emits no code for an assert statement when optimization is requested at compile time" is what put me on that thought process06:04
superm1and hi pitti :)06:05
pittisuperm1: do you know whether one of the reported crashes is just a followup of the other one?06:09
pittiI never saw two crashes at once so far06:10
superm1pitti, they look like they are caused by one-another to me yes06:10
superm1the important one is the one that crashed in install.py with the assertion error06:12
superm1that runtime error will go away when the assertion error is fixed06:12
pittisuperm1: ok, please feel free to invalidate the other one then06:13
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pittibryceh: oh, CD builds failed because -nouveau is uninstallable (it's still in universe)07:54
* pitti promotes and closes MIR07:57
brycehpitti, danke08:00
pittibryceh: so the lbm metapackage is sorted out now?08:00
brycehpitti, I believe so.08:01
brycehpitti, I haven't verified that yet though08:02
pittilinux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic | 2.6.32.13.14 |         lucid | amd64, i38608:02
pitti\o/08:02
pittiSource: linux-meta08:02
pittiDepends: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-13-generic08:02
* bryceh nods08:02
pittilooks fine08:02
brycehyeah I pulled the source and checked the changelog and so on and it all looked kosher08:02
pittibryceh: want to have the pleasure of closing two work items? :-)08:02
brycehon it08:02
pittiadd nouveau lbm metapackage as dependency to xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: TODO08:03
pittithat sounds easy now08:03
pittigreat, then this should be done08:03
pittiwell done!08:03
* pitti yays for KMS on nvidia08:03
brycehit was a good team effort08:03
brycehthank god for RAOF and Sarvatt08:04
brycehpitti, did you see that we now have apport collecting bugs on X freezes now too?08:07
pittibryceh: yes, I saw the WI and the upload08:07
pitti\o/08:07
pittibryceh: craving for more bug reports? :-)08:07
brycehheh, heck no08:07
pittiseriously, I hope this will be a huge help in tracking those down08:07
pittiright now we can't do much more than just shrugging, I guess08:08
pittis/right/until/08:08
brycehactually I think it will help because before people would file bugs about freezes but it took a lot of effort to walk the user through collecting this info08:08
brycehpitti, hmm it looks like lbm is already listed as a depends for -nouveau?08:10
brycehDepends: ${shlibs:Depends},08:10
bryceh ${misc:Depends},08:10
bryceh ${xserver:Depends},08:10
bryceh linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-generic-pae | linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12-server08:10
brycehdo we need anything beyond that?08:11
pittibryceh: no, only an (obsolete) ABI version, not the metapackage08:11
brycehoh right08:11
brycehso it's enough to just Depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic ?08:13
pittibryceh: I don't see a metapackage for -i386 or -server08:14
pittiso from my POV yes08:14
slangaseklifeless: generally only the ones when upstream is rewriting code :)08:14
pittibryceh: oh, incidentally this is quite urgent; lbm-n is uninstallable08:14
pittibryceh: due to the obsolete abi08:14
pittibryceh: if you could change that now, I can trigger a new CD build later today, so that we finally have buildable CDs again (also for testing)08:15
brycehdoing it now08:15
pittibryceh: cheers08:15
brycehuploaded08:15
dholbachgood morning08:21
brycehpitti, 3 WIs closed08:23
pitti\o/08:23
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html#bryceharrington08:24
pittidown to 1 then, go, Bryce, go!08:24
pittiClose out all -nv bug reports filed before transition as obsolete due to move08:24
pittinow, that sounds like a fun one :)08:24
brycehyep08:24
pitti"Status: invalid\n nv, we do not love you any more, kthxbye"08:24
tjaaltonwe still need it for the really old chips though08:27
pittitjaalton: yes, but we still don't love it, I take it :)08:28
tjaaltonpitti: got that right :)08:28
pittiok, I think the Xsession.d/ scripts are really streamlined now08:29
brycehsweet08:29
pittitjaalton: I hope I didn't screw up any git with my xorg upload?08:29
brycehpitti, I fixed it08:30
pranithis the UNR the choice if we want to install on ARM devices?08:30
pittibryceh: my ubuntu6 followup as well?08:30
tjaaltonpitti: yeah it's ok08:30
pittibryceh: thanks08:30
tjaaltonthat one isn't there yet08:31
pittiI think I'm down to exactly one external program now ("cat"), thanks to dash not having $(< file)08:31
brycehpitti, oh no I just did the first one08:31
pittisorry for the blunder of the first one08:31
tjaaltonbryceh: probably add -nv back to video-all as well?08:31
pittiI uploaded that, went to bed, and thought "oh argh"08:31
brycehtjaalton, yep08:32
brycehtjaalton, pushed08:32
brycehpitti, how are we on disk space?08:32
pittibryceh: I don't know; we didn't have buildable CDs for several days08:33
pittiI chopped some langpacks08:33
pittibut each day there was something else causing uninstallability08:33
smoserjames_w, somehow , in my greatness, i got http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/cloud-init/lucid/annotate/head%3A/.bzr-builddeb/default.conf commited with "native = True"08:33
smoserand that is wreaking havok08:33
pittibryceh: once your -nouveau fix is pushed, I'll trigger a rebuild08:33
smoseri branched from that, and worked by way to  lp:~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/lucid08:34
smoserwhich i believe is in a "fixed" state.08:34
brycehpitti, subject: [ubuntu/lucid] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau08:36
bryceh        1:0.0.15+git20100128+2630a15-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)08:36
pittibryceh: right, it's already built; now just waiting for the next publisher to finish (in 1:20 hours)08:37
apwanyone seen this on the buildds, this is on arm, /usr/bin/dpkg-deb: line 53: 15639 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/pkgmaintainermangler $ORIGINAL_ARGUMENTS08:40
apwthat message implies dpkg-deb is a script, which its not on my local installs ...08:41
didrockslool: on netbook seed, I see the Germinate workaround about webfav and abrower. I would have thought that we have to list firefox before webfav so that it doesn't download abrowser (and furthemore, if I just try to install abrowser, it tries to install last firefox)08:45
pittibryceh: fun that the freeze hook works now -- there's a typo in teh udev rule: "ACTION=="change"08:51
pittibryceh: (first " before ACTION)08:51
brycehoops08:51
brycehhow'd that get there?08:51
admiral0_wrkhi09:03
admiral0_wrki'm posting here because it's more relevant than #ubuntu09:04
admiral0_wrkwhere is the source for efl interface in netbook remix?09:04
pittiI was just going to answer, but if you disappear after 60 seconds..09:08
ograpitti, yours to slow, really09:09
ogra*you're09:09
apwpitti, cjwatson, any suggestions how to debug this:09:14
apw/usr/bin/dpkg-deb: line 53: 15639 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/pkgmaintainermangler $ORIGINAL_ARGUMENTS09:14
apwdh_builddeb: dpkg-deb --build debian/sata-modules-2.6.32-14-versatile-di ../sata-modules-2.6.32-14-versatile-di_2.6.32-14.19_armel.udeb returned exit code 13909:14
apwseems to only occur on buildds09:15
ograapw, buildd hiccup, just give back09:17
apwwhy the heck did it have to do it on the build which takes 6 hours ... ie. arm09:19
* primes2h waves tseliot09:19
ograapw, because it only does that with very long building packages ...09:19
ograapw, aks the kde guys how much fun they have with our armel buildds :)09:20
ogra*ask even09:20
primes2htseliot: Did you read the last comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/49944509:20
ubottuUbuntu bug 499445 in linux "Conflicts between Broadcom 4312 wireless driver and internal Bluetooth on HP Mini 110" [High,Invalid]09:20
primes2htseliot: I think a SRU could be worthwhile09:21
primes2htseliot: That version has just been uploaded in Lucid..09:22
primes2htseliot: as I see some days ago09:22
primes2htseliot: What do you think?09:23
pittiapw: urgh, no immediate idea I'm afraid :/09:26
pittiapw: maintainermangler is just pure shell09:26
apwyay09:26
ograapw, itzs very likely a buildd kernel memory management issue ... and we cant replace the kernels on these machines easily09:27
tseliotprimes2h: yes, I did that upload. We're considering idea of an SRU09:33
primes2htseliot: That's really nice. So can I nominate it for Karmic?09:35
tseliotprimes2h: it's something we'll deal with if we decide to file an SRU09:36
primes2htseliot: Ok, so I'll patiently wait for it ;-)09:37
primes2hThank you.09:37
tseliotnp09:37
davidekholmHi. I'm the founder of Jalbum (http://jalbum.net). We've just adopted our web photo album software for Ubuntu and packaged it as a .deb package10:11
davidekholmCan anyone here give me guidance on how to get Jalbum into "Ubuntu Software Center"10:11
davidekholmWe're true freeware, no crippleware, but Jalbum is only 50% open source - generic code under LGPL but still some core code not opened.10:12
davidekholmAnyone with input on this?10:18
Tm_Tdavidekholm: I think that falls to #ubuntu-motu (:10:19
davidekholmOk. I'll post there and see what repsonse I get.10:20
pittisuperm1: would you happen to know an easy workaround for the installer failure?10:33
pittisuperm1: oops -- it just occured to me that it didn't even ask me for partitioning10:39
sorenIs it intentional that onboard pulls in a whole stack of x development packages?10:41
sorenpersia: You touched it last :) Any idea?10:43
wgrantsoren: He last touched it to remove those dependencies.10:48
sorenOh. Heh :)10:50
* soren kicks his mirror around a bit10:50
Phurlhi all, I have a problem with building a qt app on karmic. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/524354 do I need to upgrade my qt?11:48
ubottuUbuntu bug 524354 in qt4-x11 "problem building qgis from source cannot call constructor ‘QVariant::QVariant’ directly" [Undecided,New]11:48
pittibryceh: yay, I just got an apport reported freeze bug!12:00
jdubpitti: thanks for remotely teaching me about the type builtin today :-)12:01
pittihey jdub, how are you?12:01
jdubpitti: lovely - you?12:01
pittiI'm great, thanks!12:01
pittistill struggling with boot speed, though12:02
jdublucid is rocking along nicely12:02
pittiyeah, it is, if only plymouth would work :)12:02
jdubheh12:02
jdubbeen having issues with that on my netbook, but not my desktop12:02
pittibryceh: except that the GPU dump says "no such file or directory" :(   perhaps it doesn't get along so well with collecting infos after a reboot12:03
chrisccoulsonpitti - how do you get apport to report a freeze?12:09
chrisccoulsonX freezes constantly on my laptop now12:09
pittichrisccoulson: it "just happens"12:09
pittixserver-xorg-video-intel.2010-02-19_12:55:36.379175.crash12:09
chrisccoulsonpitti - it's magic? ;)12:09
pittichrisccoulson: with today's xorg12:10
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brycehpitti: sweet... did you not have intel_reg_dumper installed maybe?12:20
pittiindeed I don't12:21
pittixserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg, isn't it?12:21
pittiah, no, intel-gpu-tools12:22
* pitti -> lunch12:22
nigelbbryceh: thanks for sponsoring a debdiff I posted a few days back :)12:23
brycehnigelb, my pleasure12:23
nigelb:)12:23
jiboumanshi gents, we got a question on the ubuntu-server mailing list about nfs v4 for lucid+1. has anyone here given that any thought before? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-February/003808.html13:05
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ttxHm, looks like console-setup no longer sets up keyboard on recent ISOs13:58
ttxbug 52443914:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524439 in console-setup "20100219 Server ISO fails to set up console keyboard correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52443914:06
pittiapw, tjaalton: do you happen to know about the status of bug 507148?14:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507148 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50714814:26
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pittithis sounds like it could require a painful backport of the .33 ati driver? (AFAIUI, upstream does not recommend us to use .32, but .33, which will be supported longer)14:27
apwpitti, i think that one is the one where KMS doesn't work for that board, and it also crashes a bit14:27
apwif so: then i think we had a few patches for it which might mean nomodeset might work for it14:28
apwbut ... as you say upstream is saying "2.6.32 is crap use .33 we don't care about .32'14:28
apwits not clear how that gives us any more support really as they won't care about .33 in about 2 weeks either14:28
pittiapw: hm, I thought they said "we'll support that longer", perhaps they also release something with it?14:28
apwyeah but htat might just mean, "cause we care about the previous release until the next one" for all i actually know14:29
pittiok14:29
apwpitti, but yes we are getting pressure for ati to be .33 indeed they are actually saying 'drm' at .32 is crap14:30
apwand that we should be backporting .33 drm en-toto for long term use14:30
hyperairhttp://pastebin.com/m58534978 <-- is udev supposed to fork this many times?14:30
pittithat sounds like fun14:30
apwi have an action to see how hard that is, then its up to bryceh to chose i suspect14:30
pittihyperair: erm, no14:30
hyperairpitti: okay. this is weird >_>14:32
* hyperair sighs. such a problematic laptop14:32
hyperairfrom pulseaudio leaking memory to udev forkbombing to undetected usb devices...14:32
hyperairi can't possibly think of any machine that is less ubuntu-friendly than this14:32
tjaaltonapw, pitti: f12 already has the .33 drm on top of .32, so it'll end up in rhel6 as well14:33
tjaaltonand at least bits from .3414:33
pittiwhat a mess :/14:33
tjaaltonwhy?14:33
apwupstream drm seems to have no idea what 'release' means14:33
apwits not meant to mean 'drop the tip ... NOW'14:34
apwtjaalton, how do you expect to be able to support a lash up like that for 5 yeas14:34
tjaalton.32 drm is buggy all over the place14:34
tjaalton3y for the desktop14:35
apwyou'd think they would produce some fixes for it though wouldn't you14:35
tjaaltonjust pull in what rhel6 has14:35
pittiI guess going with .33 is entirely out of question?14:35
apwpitti, the whole of .33?14:35
tjaaltonpitti: no, that's what will likely happen14:35
tjaaltonjust the drm of course14:35
pittiapw: yes14:35
tjaaltondrm is self-contained14:36
pitti(for having the same kernel version as other distros, and thus sharing patches, etc.)14:36
apwit would put us out of sync with long term support release14:36
tjaaltonpretty much completely separate from the rest of the kernel14:36
pittitjaalton: oh, it's relatively independent of the other kernel bits?14:36
tjaaltonpitti: right14:36
apwthe other distros seem to be going .32 + .33 drm14:36
pittiif it's sanely possible to pull the drm .33 bits, this would certainly be better than taking all of .3314:37
tjaaltonwe also need the nouveau abi bump that'll happen for .34 (and was reverted from the libdrm 2.4.18 I just uploaded)14:37
* pitti remembers a recent LKML post about Linus not being happy about so many recent regressions14:37
apwpitti, yeah ... i am lookin at it14:37
pittiapw: May the source be with you!14:37
apwthe nouveau people are even worse14:37
tjaaltonhttp://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kernel/F-12/drm-upgrayedd.patch?view=log14:38
tjaaltonwell, nouveau hasn't even had a release yet14:38
tjaaltonbut it should happen after .33 I think14:39
apwits in .33?14:39
tjaaltonyes14:39
apwso when .33 releases it will be released14:39
tjaaltonthat's why lbm has it no? :)14:39
tjaaltonwell I meant the ddx14:39
tjaaltonthere has been no tagged releases14:39
tjaaltonso far14:39
apwso there will be no userspace support for .33 nouveau ?14:43
tjaaltonapw: we have it now, but we need to backport fixes from >= .34 in the future, so having the new abi in lucid is beneficial14:48
apwwhat a damn mess14:49
tjaaltonit's still better than status quo14:49
apwdpeends if you have to try and maintain the kernel that results from the fusion14:56
sorenI'm confused by the locale names I see in Lucid. So, gdm sets my $LANG to da_DK.utf8. It's been da_DK.UTF-8 since almost forever, but now it's changed. /usr/lib/locale/da_DK.utf8 does exist, but "locale-gen $LANG" no longer works, since locale-gen still expects da_DK.UTF-8.15:06
sorenI'm not sure who or what to blame.15:07
BenCGood morning people of Ubuntu15:09
ionpitti: Yay for a default keyboard shortcut for launching a term.15:12
sorenBenC: Hey dude.15:12
pittiion: :)15:12
dholbachbah, why does rhythmbox try to index my whole harddisk everytime I start it15:17
dholbachok, rather ~, but that's still bad enough15:18
ionDo you have ~ set as the media library path?15:19
davmor2guys une doesn't show the install option in favourites15:23
ionapw: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic is mistyped with ‘noveau’. linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic-pae depends on linux-backports-modules-2.6.32-13-generic-pae instead of linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-13-generic-pae.15:25
dholbachion: I don't have a media library path set15:30
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apwion, ta15:40
sorenI wonder if it'd make sense to have the build-essential seed not include recommends.15:50
sorenIt would free at least a couple of MB on the ISOs.15:51
soren(manpages-dev alone eats 3 MB)15:51
sorenbrb15:53
LaibschHi15:53
Laibschgit-buildpackage in lucid currently does not handle dpkg v3 which I guess is a pretty serious thing.  The version in testing and unstable does.  I think there is a minimal patch available that could be backported to the lucid package but I wonder if it isn't better to still try a merge instead.  Opinions?15:55
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* Laibsch is afraid we may end up backporting just about everything15:55
superm1pitti, i think it's a small fix, the pointer that partitioning wasn't being asked is the real problem16:02
kitallis\//k16:08
persiasoren: We talked about `locale-gen ${foo}.utf8` earlier, and the consensus seemed to be that either vm-builder needed to do something like language-selector to get a complete list of locales (and match against it), or just check for well-formedness, as 1) the complete list of locales is not available locally without extra work, and 2) the set of locales differs by release.16:14
sorenpersia: It does seem rather odd that "locale-gen $LANG" doesn't work.16:16
sorenregardless16:16
persiaWhy should it work?  There's no guarantee that the relevant langpack is installed in the chroot.16:16
sorenNot in my chroot.16:16
sorenOn my own system.16:16
persiaOK.  There's no guarantee that the relevant langpack is installed on your system :)16:17
soren$ locale-gen $LANG || echo this is weird16:17
sorenthis is weird16:17
sorenWell.. it is.16:17
sorenlocale-gen expects the charset to be "UTF-8", not "utf8".16:18
persiasoren: You may want to review http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/18/#ubuntu-devel.txt from 21:25 for more in-depth discussion.16:18
ograwell, there is no guarantee that $LANG is sometinh locale-gen can use16:18
sorenI didn't say I wanted a guarantee.16:18
soreni'm just saying it's odd.16:18
sorenCan't we just all please accept that my life would be easier if everyone else did something differently?16:19
sorenkthxbai16:19
persiaAccepting that is easy.  Now make sure it's everyone's goal :)16:19
pittisoren: I can't make a lot of sense from this either, FWIW; locales have been .UTF-8 forever, and in lucid libc6 seems to have switched to .utf816:20
pittilike "almost, but not quite"16:20
sorenpitti: Exactly.16:20
pittiI haven't investigated it at all, though16:20
ograi know cjwatson has looked at it16:20
pittisoren: however, locale-gen $LANG does work16:20
sorenIt doesn't.16:21
ograit doesnt16:21
pittiit's just that LANG=de_DE.utf8, not .UTF-8 any more16:21
sorenIt silently fails.16:21
sorenCheck the exit code.16:21
pittioh16:21
pittiok, that's a bug16:21
soren...and try it with UTF-8.16:21
sorenSee the difference.16:21
* persia suspects a bug in locale-gen16:21
pitti        GENERATE=`grep -E "^${1}( |[._@][^[:space:]]* )UTF-8" /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED`16:21
pittithat was me, in ancient times16:22
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sorenOh!16:23
pitti/usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED also needs to be updated then, I figure16:24
pittibut I'm still not sure what the "canonical" form is16:24
pittiwe don't do any migration on upgrade right now16:24
pittiand I don't even know whether .utf8 was even intentional16:25
sorenWe can argue all day long that /[uU][tT][fF]-?8/ are all valid ways to write it, but we've always done it one particular way. It would be nice to at least understand why it changed.16:25
pittiack16:25
* pitti will read the IRC link from persia after meeting16:26
soren..and for another week, I'm still getting paid to understand this operating system, and not just accept when it changes underneath me. :)16:27
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mdeslaursoren: you know that by saying that you've effectively deferred the investigation for a week, right? :)16:28
sorenmdeslaur: I do now :(16:28
sorenDarn it.16:28
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mathiazwhat needs to be done to promote a binary package to main? (puppet-common is currently in universe - while puppet is in main)16:40
mathiazpuppet-common is already in the component-mismatch list since puppet and puppetmaster (both in main) depend on it16:41
pittimathiaz: just poke an archive admin16:41
* pitti looks16:41
pittimathiaz: done16:42
mathiazpitti: \o/ - thank you!16:42
qensepitti: there is this comment in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf: "# NOTE this will change Fall '07 when RHT switches to bugzilla 3.x!" Fall '07 has already been a while ago now, is it still valid?16:49
pittiqense: no, I don't think so; Fedora decided to NIH apport16:49
qensepitti: ok, then shouldn't this be removed?16:51
qense(me=afk)16:53
pittiqense: we could, yes, but it would be a rather pointless conffile change16:53
qensepitti: ok16:53
pittiqense: if I'll ever change it for another reason, I'll remove the entire stanza16:53
loolWould someone be so kind to NEW linux on all arches?16:54
pittilool: I'm on it16:58
loolpitti: Thanks a lot!16:58
loolThat will allow to poke the versatile armel udebs over the weekend16:58
lool(and will also allow me to give back user-mode-linux, but that's minor)16:59
pittil;oall done17:03
pittiargh, what was that17:03
pittilool: all done17:03
pittiright in time for the publisher17:03
loolpitti: thanks a lot!17:03
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pittisuperm1: my hero!17:05
superm1:)17:08
geserScottK: does this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pysvn/+bug/523863/comments/5 answer your question?17:16
ubottuUbuntu bug 523863 in pysvn "Merge pysvn 1.7.2-2 from Debian testing" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:16
superm1pitti, after that publishes can you queue up an ubuntu daily-live rebuild?  I'm suspecting it's far more widespread than just your hardware.. the consequences were pushing the partman pages out to "post-install" pages17:21
nigelbDo we still have time to add apport hooks to packages?17:21
pittisuperm1: sure; I was going to fiddle with the seeds anyway to make it not overflown any more17:22
nigelbbeen thinking of creating a rhythmbox hook.  Wondering if its still possible for lucid17:23
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smoserslangasek, the branch linked to bug 524516 has all the needed fixes in it.17:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524516 in cloud-init "[FFE] run cloud-init early and add runcmd support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52451617:49
smoserverified that with that build and a new upstart, it runs early and reliably.17:49
smoserslangasek, how should i proceed there ?17:50
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slangaseksmoser: I'm going to take care of fixing upstart today; do you want to wait for that before changing cloud-init, or maybe just have cloud-init add a versioned dep on upstart?17:54
smoserwell, if you're going to get it fixed today, i'm ok to wait.17:54
smoserif you think i should add a versioned dep, then i'm ok to do that.17:55
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ScottKgeser: It does.17:58
slangaseksmoser: so what was the other cloud-init job with the unsatisfiable 'and' condition (and what was the condition)?18:00
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smoserwell, it seemed that anything that depended on 'cloud-config and local-filesystems' or 'cloud-config and filesystems' would cause issues.18:01
smosererr.. wait.18:02
smoseryeah, thats right.18:02
smosercloud-init emits cloud-config, and anything that had those 'start on' listed above would seemingly block boot.18:03
smoseri changed them to just depend on filesystems, with the implicit assertion that cloud-config would alrady be done at that point.18:04
shtylman_where is the best place to ask about package dependency conerns/problems?18:10
fabrice_spdbus is back in lucid? I thought it would disappear in lucid18:14
smoserslangasek, please let me know if you need anything from me.18:15
persiashtylman_: Depends on the package.  Here works, or a team channel for the developers working on that packages, if it's specific.18:17
shtylman_persia: k18:18
shtylman_well...my problems started with: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/liblua5.1-sql-mysql-218:18
shtylman_which wants 15off version18:18
shtylman_and other system libraries use the 16 version18:18
shtylman_so I get some conflicts and executables with two versions in them18:19
shtylman_and nice warnings like:18:19
shtylman_/usr/bin/ld: warning: libmysqlclient.so.16, needed by18:19
shtylman_/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libmysqlpp.so, may18:19
shtylman_conflict with libmysqlclient.so.1518:19
shtylman_and I don't seem to be able to remove one or the other without causing a massive removal of other packages....18:19
shtylman_I dunno if its an actual issue...but I figured I would ask18:20
shtylman_and get some clarification18:20
fabrice_spshtylman, in Debian, this package is using 16 version, so it seems that the ubuntu version needs to be rebuilt18:22
shtylman_fabrice_sp: do I need to file a bug or something?18:22
shtylman_cause right now it makes things kinda broken :)18:23
fabrice_spshtylman, no bug reported right now, so file one, please :-)18:23
shtylman_against which package? and how should I describe it? to make it clear and such18:24
fabrice_spagains liblua5.1-sql-mysql-218:25
shtylman_fabrice_sp: k18:25
fabrice_spa lot of pacakges still depends on 15off ,so it seems some transition is on going18:25
fabrice_sp(or missing)18:26
shtylman_heh18:26
shtylman_fabrice_sp: should I subscribe anyone to it? or leave as default18:32
fabrice_spsubscribe me (fabricesp): you just uncovered a wide issue, so I'll have a look (a rebuild is not enought)18:33
fabrice_spshtylman, ^18:33
shtylman_fabrice_sp: will do... I loe uncovering wide issues :)18:33
fabrice_sp:-D18:34
slangaseksmoser: ah, right, presumably because cloud-init isn't emitting cloud-config asynchronously :)18:44
slangasekbut yes, an implicit assertion is fine18:44
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smoserslangasek, regarding the FFE bug, please let me knwo if you need anything .21:01
smoseri have to be leaving, but will check in later.21:01
slangaseksmoser: which FFe bug is this?  I don't see anything in my mailbox suggesting ubuntu-release has been subscribed to a bug21:06
smoserhm..21:07
smoserbug 52451621:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524516 in cloud-init "[FFE] run cloud-init early and add runcmd support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52451621:07
slangasekoh, 524516, I see it on the webpage21:07
smoseri was under the impression you'd sponsor that for me? or do i need to get someone else.21:07
smosersorry if that was way off base.21:07
slangasekright - ok, will process that and let you know21:08
slangasekwell, I was saying that I was fixing upstart, which I've just uploaded21:08
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jbebelcjwatson: You'll be interested in fixing 524637. patch supplied.21:31
slangaseksmoser: the branch you've linked from 524516 doesn't correspond to the archive at all21:39
slangaseksmoser: cloud-init is at 0.5.5-0ubuntu2 in the archive; the bzr branch's changelog lists neither of 0.5.5-0ubuntu{1,2}21:40
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lamalexHi, I'm getting confused on what the procedure is to have a package sync'd from debian into universe22:00
lamalexDo I still file a needs-packaging bug?22:00
lifelessrequestsync22:02
lamalex!requestsync22:03
c_korn!syncrequest | lamalex22:04
ubottulamalex: Helpful information for filing a sync request can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess22:04
lifelesslamalex: its a command, in ubuntu-dev-tools22:05
lamalexlifeless: yah, I just saw that22:05
lamalexthanks22:05
lamalexlifeless: does this apply for new packages as well?22:05
lifelessyes, though its a little tricky to get the bug filed22:06
lifelessI normally upload a stub package to my ppa to make the SPR and then I can file the bug:P22:06
lamalexhm actually it's already been sync'd. I don't know how I missed it when I was searching the first time22:07
slangaseklifeless: you don't just file it against Ubuntu, nopackage?22:07
lifelessslangasek: no22:07
lifelessslangasek: the other thing I tend to do is waylay an archive admin22:07
slangasektsk, queuejumper22:08
lifelessslangasek: not at all22:08
lifelessslangasek: I say 'please run the damn queue'22:08
slangasekwe're past DebianImportFreeze22:08
slangasekso that won't get you much :)22:08
lifelessslangasek: so I'll queuejump now ;)22:08
ScottKlamalex: We're past Feature Freeze, so you'd need a feature freeze exception and a good reason.22:10
lamalexScottK: doesn't matter anyway22:10
lamalexit's been sunc(?)22:11
persiasynchronised22:11
lifelesssunk, but its a false friend22:11
lifelesssynced22:11
lamalexI'm gonna stick with sunc, it's got nice phenomes22:12
lamalexvery guttural22:12
slangasekI endorse this participle22:24
slangaseksmoser: "cloud config and local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=eth0" - "local-filesystems" should always be after the other two if this package is installed, no?22:29
evjbebel: committed and uploaded22:46
ev524637, that is22:46
jbebelev, excellent, thanks!22:47
evsure thing.  Thanks for the patch!22:47
lifelessjames_w: did you file a bug about trial <-> testresources and your port listening resource?22:48
james_wno22:48
lifelessI just found the mail you sent me before we spoke22:48
lifelessI would like it if you filed a bug /somewhere/ - there clearly is a problem22:49
james_wI sent it after we spoke, when you asked me to send you a mail about it so that you could file the bug at twistedmatrix22:50
slangaseksmoser: oh, ignore me, that's exactly what you fixed, I was reading the diff backwards22:50
james_wor at least, that's what I understood from our combination22:50
lifelessjames_w: ah! ok. I shall handle22:51
james_wthanks22:51
james_wyou'll to a better job of the discussion with them than I woul22:51
slangaseksmoser: "start on filesystems" - that's not the documented event that mountall emits, that should be 'filesystem'22:53
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YokoZarWhat happened to libxtrap6?  Was it obsolete?23:04
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smoserslangasek, where did i have that ?23:22
smoserslangasek, i'll be back in ~ 1 hour or so.23:23
slangaseksmoser: which?23:27
smoser...23:27
smoseri'll push a fix for that to that branch23:27
smoseryou're right on filesystems23:27
slangaseksmoser: the 'start on filesystems' is in cloud-config-ssh.conf, cloud-disable-ec2-metadata... ok23:27
smoserright.23:27
smoserthank you for noticing that.23:27
smoserok. slangasek that is pushed now to the lucid branch23:29
smoserthe one linked there.23:29
slangaseksmoser: ok, thanks.  can you clarify for me why the previous changelog entries went away when you rebased to 0.5.6 - was that just a casualty of a revert?23:30
smoserit was a causualty of .bzr-builddeb23:30
smoserand being "native"23:30
slangaseksmoser: also, is there an upstream tarball available somewhere for use when uploading this?  Otherwise it just ends up as a native package again.23:30
slangasekno, I think "being native" is a red herring here23:30
smoserthe 0.5.5 merge was never done in that branch23:30
smoserso i backed to 0.5.4 and then jumpbed forward, just ditching the merge-upstream for 0.5.523:31
slangasekah23:31
smosermerge-upstream moaned that it didn't have the tags for the 0.5.6 version23:31
smosererr 0.5.523:31
smoserso it wouldn't let me go to 0.5.623:31
slangasekright23:31
smoseri might have those numbers wrong23:32
smoserbut i just forced it23:32
smosersorry23:32
smoserthe upstream tarball should be creatable by bzr-builddeb23:32
smoserbut it is available for download23:32
smoserhttp://smoser.brickies.net/23:33
smoser(bad, i know). i'll put it somehwere more official23:34
smoseri have to run . i'll check back in in 1 hour.23:34
slangaseksmoser: oh, you have two references to the same bug # in your changelog - can you fix that (I think maybe you wanted to add 524516 as the second one), add a tag for the release, and I'll sponsor?23:34
pyrakHey guys, we just launched this new thing on openhatch.org where we're letting people tell the community how to get involved in specific open source projects23:38
pyrakhere's the page for ubuntu: https://openhatch.org/+projects/Ubuntu23:38
pyrakwe'd love to get some feedback on how this kind of thing could be more useful.  like, are there different questions we should be asking?23:40

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