[02:43] <cjohnston> dutchie: does that mean its confirmed?
[08:50] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil.  Want to continue some design work?
[09:08] <godbyk> Hey, komsas.  Did you get the manual to compile okay under TL2009?
[09:13] <komsas> hi godbyk, yes, but some lithuanian letters are squares.
[09:13] <godbyk> We just settled on a new typeface.  Let me upload the latest code and see if those letters appear in this font.
[09:13] <godbyk> (If not, we'll find a font that supports all the Lithuanian glyphs.)
[09:14] <komsas> ok, I will pull
[09:14] <godbyk> give me a sec to push it first
[09:16] <godbyk> komsas: Okay, I've pushed it.
[09:17]  * komsas pulling
[09:19] <komsas> godbyk: "! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}." ?
[09:19] <godbyk> Are you running 'make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf"?
[09:19] <komsas> yes
[09:20] <godbyk> Run 'make clean' and 'rm ubuntu-manual-lt.*' and then try it again.
[09:21] <komsas> it didn't help
[09:21] <komsas> same error
[09:22] <godbyk> Run 'make ubuntu-manual-lt.tex'
[09:22] <godbyk> then open the ubuntu-manual-lt.tex file.
[09:22] <godbyk> does it have a \begin{document} line in it?
[09:23] <godbyk> (should be around line 5)
[09:23] <komsas> it have, strange.
[09:25] <godbyk> can you send me your ubuntu-manual-lt.log file?  (pastbin or email to godbyk@gmail.com)
[09:25] <komsas> ok
[09:25] <godbyk> Do you have local edits to the po/lt.po file, or is it the same that's in the bzr repository?
[09:26] <komsas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/379621/
[09:27] <godbyk> In the meantime, here's my compiled copy: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf
[09:27] <godbyk> See if there are letters missing still.
[09:27] <komsas> same like in bzr repo
[09:28] <komsas> godbyk: now all letters showing. :)
[09:28] <godbyk> did the paste get cut off?
[09:28] <godbyk> awesome. :)
[09:31] <komsas> no, it is all text
[09:31] <godbyk> looks like it's been cut off at the bottom.
[09:31] <godbyk> \sl@tab@pred isn't a full line
[09:31] <thorwil> hi godbyk
[09:32] <godbyk> should be \si@tab@predim=\dimen###
[09:32] <komsas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/379624/
[09:32] <godbyk> hey, thorwil .
[09:32] <godbyk> I pushed our font changes.
[09:32] <godbyk> Haven't got back to the headings yet.
[09:32] <godbyk> trying to sort on the running heads.. the small caps are failing in the translations for some odd reason.
[09:32] <godbyk> komsas: better
[09:33] <godbyk> looks like some of your stuff got merged
[09:33] <godbyk> or didn't, as the case may be.
[09:33] <godbyk> there are <<<< TREE lines that are mucking things up.
[09:33] <godbyk> komsas: run 'bzr status' and see what it says
[09:35] <thorwil> godbyk: well, any open design issues on your side? it seems like you are busy enough :)
[09:36] <godbyk> thorwil: heh.. I have a pile of TODOs.
[09:36] <komsas> some conflicts with ubuntu-manual.cls, I did some changes, commented some unnecessary fonts.
[09:36] <godbyk> I may have to put most of them off until I get done putting together slides and whatnot for this Lernid session I'm signed up for.
[09:36] <godbyk> komsas: aha.  Just run 'bzr revert ubuntu-manual.cls' and try it all again.
[09:37] <godbyk> I restructured the code a bit, so you shouldn't need all the fonts now -- just the ones required to compile the translation you're interested in.
[09:38] <thorwil> heh, the 48hour thing will at least succeed in causing stress
[09:39] <godbyk> thorwil: yeah, namely because I'm not quite sure what I'm to cover.
[09:39] <godbyk> At this stage, I think most of the writing is done and now we're left with editing and translating, right?
[09:40] <thorwil> i have no clue on the state of writing. i try to not care about that :)
[09:40] <godbyk> I haven't been paying attention either.
[09:40] <godbyk> I've been trying to get the document design down and working on getting all the translations to compile.
[09:40] <godbyk> Btw, do you know what the status is of all that icon talk?
[09:41] <godbyk> komsas: Did the bzr revert let you compile okay or are you still having problems?
[09:42] <komsas> I pulled new branch, now I'm getting error "po4a::tex: Can't read from file without having a filename"
[09:43] <godbyk> what is the po4a-translate command line look like?
[09:43] <komsas> "at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 227"
[09:44] <komsas> godbyk: "po4a-translate --master-charset=utf8 -f latex -m main.tex -p po/lt.po -l ubuntu-manual-lt.tex -k 0"
[09:44] <godbyk> that looks right.
[09:44] <godbyk> does 'make ubuntu-manual-lt.tex' work?
[09:45] <komsas> nop, same error
[09:46] <godbyk> Does the size of ubuntu-manual.cls equal 24438 bytes?
[09:46] <godbyk> (also, does 'make' work by itself?)
[09:46] <ubuntujenkins> no make doen't work I just pulled a new branch
[09:47] <komsas> yes, same size.
[09:47] <godbyk> what's it say when you run 'make' (with no arguments)?
[09:47] <komsas> make works godbyk
[09:48] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/379632/
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> I have to go to a lecture be back in a bit
[09:51] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: you may have to install TeX Live 2009.
[09:52] <godbyk> thorwil: does the latest revision compile for you?  (or am I the only one?)
[09:53] <komsas> godbyk: now I did get that error, after I did make. I have new "! Font \zf@basefont="Linux Libertine O" at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) fi
[09:53] <komsas> le or installed font not found.
[09:53] <komsas> "
[09:53] <komsas> didn't *
[09:54] <godbyk> Ah, komsas, make sure you have done a 'sudo apt-get install ttf-linux-libertine'.
[09:56] <komsas> godbyk: thank u ! all works perfect. :)
[09:57] <godbyk> komsas: Awesome!
[09:57] <godbyk> Both the regular 'make' and the 'make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf' work?
[09:57] <komsas> yes
[09:57] <thorwil> godbyk: the status regarding icons is that i have to do it and havn't really started
[09:57] <godbyk> thorwil: Gotcha.  Just curious.
[09:58] <komsas> but make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf began work only after I did make.
[09:58] <godbyk> Do you know what you're going to do for icons and just have to draw them?  Or you haven't started thinking about it yet?
[09:58] <godbyk> (More specifically, I'm curious as to what I'll need to do to help out.)
[09:58] <thorwil> godbyk: first i will deal with those for the title page
[09:59] <thorwil> godbyk: i'm not even sure about their number there
[10:01] <godbyk> Are we doing icons per chapter?
[10:01] <thorwil> maybe
[10:02] <thorwil> Ben wants them, but i will not do it if i don't see sane options for each chapter
[10:03] <godbyk> Right, I agree.
[10:04] <thorwil> ! LaTeX Error: File `siunitx.sty' not found.
[10:07] <godbyk> thorwil: Are you running TeX Live 2009?
[10:07] <thorwil> install-pkgs.sh doesn't help
[10:07] <godbyk> Yeah, I think it doesn't exist in 2007.
[10:07] <godbyk> Time for everyone to upgrade anyway. :)
[10:08] <thorwil> godbyk: so should i uninstall the package and get it from the projects site?
[10:09] <godbyk> thorwil: Yeah, uninstall all the texlive-* packages, then you can follow the install instructions in that email I posted eons ago.
[10:10] <thorwil> found it
[10:10] <thorwil> wow: After this operation, 527MB disk space will be freed.
[10:12] <godbyk> thorwil: To be replaced by a nice 2.5 GB download (if you have install absolutely everything).
[10:12] <thorwil> good that you say that. i don't have that space
[10:14] <godbyk> You can install less than everything, but I don't know what kind of space it requires.
[10:14] <godbyk> At a minimu
[10:14] <godbyk> Blah
[10:14] <godbyk> You could do a minimal install, and then just install each individual package that we require.
[10:14] <godbyk> Make sure you install xelatex.
[10:14] <godbyk> you don't need any docs
[10:15] <godbyk> and you'll want the language packs for any translations you want to compile.
[10:52] <thorwil> still installing
[10:54] <godbyk> thorwil: how much space will it take?
[10:54] <thorwil> godbyk: i think it said something around 1500 MB
[10:55] <thorwil> no docs, only english and german
[10:55] <godbyk> nice
[10:55] <godbyk> there are a TON of packages for latex.
[10:56] <thorwil> makes me wonder what current MS Word takes
[10:57] <godbyk> I'm not sure.  But it doesn't seem to do a lot of things that LaTeX does.
[10:57]  * godbyk loves TeX
[11:00]  * thorwil misses baseline grid support
[11:02] <godbyk> If you try hard, you can get it to work in LaTeX.  I think that ConTeXt has grid support.
[11:02] <godbyk> LaTeX3 is supposed to have grid support, if they ever finish writing it.
[11:03] <godbyk> TeX was written specifically to typeset mathematics really well.
[11:03] <godbyk> And math doesn't like to be set on a grid. :-/
[11:04] <godbyk> So by default, the document styles in LaTeX use stretchable spaces.
[11:04] <godbyk> For instance, the space above a section heading might be 14pt +2 or -3.
[11:04] <godbyk> So it'll nominally be 14 pt.
[11:05] <godbyk> But if LaTeX needs to adjust it to fill the page better, it can stretch it up to 16 pt and shrink it to 11 pt.
[11:05] <godbyk> You can remove the stretchy bits and say, 'I want this to be 14 pt, no more, no less.'
[11:05] <godbyk> And LaTeX will do that.
[11:06] <godbyk> But there are a lot of bits of glue sprinkled through, so you have to track them all down.
[11:06] <godbyk> (There was a package written a while ago that found most of 'em.  I've been meaning to try it out, but haven't taken the time yet.)
[11:07] <godbyk> I'm willing to give it a go, if you'd like to help. :)
[11:10] <thorwil> i have to stay focused
[11:11] <godbyk> On what?
[11:12] <thorwil> the title page
[11:12] <godbyk> Ah, fair enough.
[11:13] <godbyk> If we know what text is to be on there, we should get it to the translators so they can have at it.  Then once the design is done, we can get the translations wrapped up and put the whole title page thing behind us.
[11:13] <thorwil> i might sound like a broken record, but no good will come out of me taking on additional pieces of the cake
[11:14] <godbyk> No worries, I understand completely.
[11:14] <godbyk> I'm juggling a bunch of things right now and my brain is fried.
[11:15] <godbyk> I'm trying to get this document design finalized, get all the translations to compile, handle design differences for some of the languages, and I still need to toss together a presentation for this 48-hours thing.
[11:15] <thorwil> :)
[11:16] <thorwil> seen wolter lately?
[11:16] <godbyk> I haven't seen him for a while.
[11:17] <godbyk> With that, I think I'll go read a bit before going to sleep.
[11:17] <godbyk> As always, if anyone needs anything, ping me and I'll take a look when I'm awake again. :)
[11:17] <thorwil> ok, cya
[13:00] <dutchie> cjohnston: confirmed as in?
[15:00] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone running lucid able to compile the manual?
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> Lucid has texlive 2009
[15:02] <dutchie> haven't tried recently
[15:03] <dutchie> wfm
[15:03] <dutchie> can't do localised versions though
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> I can't do the main version localised is hard to do
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> I have a new branch as well
[15:05] <ubuntujenkins> I think I will download texlive from the internet. where is the best place to install it>
[15:40] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: /usr/locl
[15:40] <dutchie> +a
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> cheers
[15:58]  * dutchie gets it to build in german
[16:12]  * dutchie pokes godbyk with a glossary shaped stick
[18:56]  * ubuntujenkins still can't compile the manual in any form. Considers clean installing ubuntu
[18:57] <dutchie> what errors are you getting?
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/379913/
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> I have done three completly removes in synaptic and reinstalled the packages, I have installed as per god bk e-mail.
[19:03] <dutchie> do you have fonts installed?
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> in every possible language I have the whole of texlive-full
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> I like looking at the stuff as I write it to see if the formating is write, I also like to check if I have caused any compiling errors in my work
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> *right
[19:06] <dutchie> fonts live in ttf-*, not texlive-full
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> I am installing as many as I can find
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> well with every possible ttf-* installed I get the exact same error
[19:40] <dutchie> hmm
[19:40] <dutchie> have to ask godbyk when he's around
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> will do
[19:41] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[20:02] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: fwiw, http://pastebin.com/f3cddede5 is the ttf-* packages I have installed
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie I shall have a compare
[20:53]  * ubuntujenkins has no luck
[21:17] <godbyk> I'm back.
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie can you do a pull and check that the manual still compiles ok?
[21:18] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: It's using your TeX Live 2007 install.  Have you upgraded to 2009 yet?
[21:18] <godbyk> dutchie: The glossary stuff may wait until just after the 48-hours thing.
[21:19] <godbyk> It'll involve everyone upgrading to 2009 (which they should be doing at this point anyway).
[21:19] <godbyk> I have to whip up some slides and whatever for my session.  (Haven't started yet.)
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk I did an install as per your e-mail. Also I am using lucid which has the 2009 packages but no such luck
[21:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Are you using the Lucid packages or the instructions from my email?
[21:20] <godbyk> If you followed the instructions from my email, you should uninstall all the texlive-* packages using synaptic.
[21:20] <godbyk> And make sure you do *not* run the install-pkgs.sh script.
[21:21] <ubuntujenkins> I will try again from the start
[21:21] <dutchie> it's stopped compiling now :)
[21:21] <dutchie> ! Misplaced alignment tab character &.
[21:21] <godbyk> dutchie: put a backslash in front of the ampersand.
[21:22] <godbyk> & has special meaning, so use \& to get a printed ampersand.
[21:22]  * dutchie curses whoever changed it and didn't test the build
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> my bad dutchie I think that might be my fault as you know I can't test it
[21:27] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no worries then
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> I do normaly test
[21:27] <dutchie> \textfeild is an easy mistake to make
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> I try and think about lots of things at once so thats why I usualy check it
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> and make mistakes
[21:30] <godbyk> brb, I'm going to reheat some leftovers.
[21:30]  * ubuntujenkins starts compiling textlive again
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for checking dutchie
[21:31] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I hope you're just installing it, not compiling it. :)
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> I ment installing :)
[21:37] <godbyk> back now.
[21:57] <godbyk> Hey, komsas, did we get you up and running last time or were there still problems? (I can't recall where we left off.)
[22:00] <komsas> godbyk: hehe, we are good !
[22:00] <godbyk> cool.  just checking!
[22:03] <komsas> we celabrate my birthday :)))
[22:07] <komsas> http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20100220000601.jpg
[22:09]  * humphreybc is back
[22:09]  * humphreybc has 62 emails
[22:09] <dutchie> \o/
[22:10]  * dutchie has broken his computer
[22:10] <humphreybc> lol
[22:11] <humphreybc> i managed to get some work done
[22:11] <humphreybc> i did some heavy editing on the prologue, chapters 1, 2, 5, 7 and 8
[22:11] <humphreybc> hopefully it's not going to destroy the branch if I merge them...
[22:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: Oh, figures.  I edited some of your stuff while you were out.
[22:15] <godbyk> But my edits were global find/replace stuff, so feel free to just overwrite them completely for now.
[22:15] <humphreybc> godbyk: yeah i just got a conflict with prologue and installation
[22:15] <humphreybc> okay cool
[22:15] <humphreybc> i'm not sure what happens with the conflicts
[22:16] <humphreybc> i'm going to push anyway :|
[22:16] <godbyk> make sure it compiles first
[22:16] <humphreybc> kk
[22:16] <godbyk> and check for "<<<<<" in the source files.. if they exist, then the merge wasn't so good.
[22:17] <dutchie> or run "bzr conflicts"
[22:17] <humphreybc> compiles okay, i've run bzr conflict resolve <file> on the two files
[22:17] <godbyk> ok
[22:17] <humphreybc> I do have a lot of "<<<<<<< TREE" in the source files
[22:18] <dutchie> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.0.92/en/user-guide/conflicts.html
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> huphreybc is back yey TommyBrunn and I have had some fun with quickshot
[22:18] <humphreybc> should I just remove that stuff?
[22:18] <godbyk> ah, yeah, you'll want to fix those. :)
[22:18] <humphreybc> i kept a backup of my changes, i'll just overwrite the files
[22:18] <godbyk> yeah, just overwrite the files with your changes.
[22:19] <humphreybc> godbyk: what's prologue.aux?
[22:19] <godbyk> if it's problematic, you can pull a completely fresh branch, then put in your changes and push.
[22:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: it's a temp file created by latex.
[22:19] <godbyk> it can safely be ignored.
[22:19] <godbyk> it gets regenerated each time you compile.
[22:19] <humphreybc> oh true
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk it has finished installing an it says Most importantly, add /usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/x86_64-linux silly question but add it to where? and how?
[22:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I think they mean to add that to your PATH environment variable.
[22:20] <dutchie> in your ~/.bashrc, add "export PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/x86_64-linux:$PATH"
[22:20] <humphreybc> okay seems to be all good now, i've made a lot of changes to the big chapters
[22:20] <humphreybc> so everyone pull pull pull!
[22:20] <godbyk> if you had the install program create symlinks, then you won't have to add it to your PATH
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> I did make it do symlinks I thought e looked important
[22:21] <humphreybc> how's the prep going for 48 hours?
[22:21] <godbyk> humphreybc: eh, haven't really started yet.  it's on my TODO list. :-)
[22:21] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: cool, then you should be okay.
[22:22] <humphreybc> righto, as a team how are we going? times and stuff?
[22:22] <godbyk> humphreybc: no clue, I've had my head in the sand most of this week.
[22:22] <humphreybc> righto
[22:22] <dutchie> humphreybc: see ML
[22:22] <humphreybc> the NOTICE email dutchie?
[22:23] <dutchie> cjohnston is also here to perform some sort of co-ordination with the classroom team
[22:23] <dutchie> humphreybc: I forget
[22:23] <humphreybc> okay.. so jamin and ryan can't do their sessions?
[22:23] <cjohnston> ?
[22:23] <dutchie> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00713.html
[22:23] <dutchie> cjohnston: just a passing mention, now our project lead is back
[22:23] <cjohnston> gotcha
[22:24] <humphreybc> okay cool dutchie that was the email i read
[22:24] <dutchie> great
[22:24] <dutchie> we could do with someone to fill in jamin's sessions
[22:24] <dutchie> the wiki should be up to date
[22:25]  * ubuntujenkins can see a manual again
[22:30]  * humphreybc pulls the quickshot branch and prepares to be amazed
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> I also have a quickshot branch bzr branch lp:~ubuntujenkins/quickshot/luke-quickshot
[22:30] <humphreybc> is that for merges?
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> no its for experiments a I can't do python quite right yet mine does have some detection of if you are in the quickshot user but I can't skip the next button on the first screen.
[22:31] <humphreybc> okay
[22:31] <humphreybc> has Tommy not pushed his new stuff?
[22:31] <humphreybc> oh he just hasn't set up bzr properly :)
[22:32] <humphreybc> TommyBrunn: run bzr whoami
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> Tommy and I worked together on stuff he coreccted / made better the suff i did and taught me some stuff
[22:33] <humphreybc> bzr whoami "Joe Bloggs <bloggs@example.com>"
[22:33] <humphreybc> TommyBrunn: that way you get karma when you push to the branch
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> When you click the ok button in the password window it is slow as we had to use that button to do some temporary  trickery untill we have a proper program
[22:35] <humphreybc> yup i noticed that
[22:35] <humphreybc> so what's it actually doing?
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> Well quickshot now launches when you login to the quickshot user but to do that we had to put a copy of the quickshot branch in the quickshot user so that "quickly run" would work
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> normaly it would be lauched by linking to the quicjshot file in /usr/bin or where ever
[22:40] <humphreybc> LOVE the new fonts
[22:41] <humphreybc> I think we need a different colour for subsections
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> thoughts on quickshot? I know tommy has been looking into how to take the screen shots.
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> its not much but some functinality is there
[22:45] <humphreybc> godbyk: how do i increase some line spacing? using \medskip doesn't seem to work best
[22:45] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: quickshot is looking good, i'll have a proper look later on
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> sorry I am just a little excited that was such a fun day working it out and learning
[22:46] <godbyk> humphreybc: Where?
[22:46] <humphreybc> "special thanks" at the end of the credits
[22:47]  * dutchie thinks the credits needs redoing
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> whats with the fireffox guide do not know the peoples proper names?
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> bit of the credits
[22:49] <humphreybc> yeah the credits need a re work
[22:50] <godbyk> I agree that the credits need to be redone.
[22:50] <godbyk> Are they even up to date?
[22:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: You can try \bigskip if you want, but I think we should just revamp the credits stuff anyway.
[22:51] <humphreybc> sure
[22:52] <humphreybc> i just added some skips in and pushed anyway, but yeah, revamping the credits at some point is a good idea. no rush now though
[22:52] <godbyk> right
[23:05]  * humphreybc cannot believe the UMP facebook page has 169 fans.... 
[23:06] <humphreybc> does anyone know how nice android phones play with ubuntu?
[23:06] <humphreybc> i want to get an android touchscreen on a data contract so i can check my emails everywhere.... :O
[23:07] <ubuntujenkins> I think you can sync music an videos but e-mails have to be done via google or similar, At least thats what I have heard. I dodn't own one
[23:07] <humphreybc> i don't even know if you can get them in NZ
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> I would like them but they are expensive
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> *one
[23:08] <dutchie> humphreybc: very nice
[23:09]  * dutchie has one
[23:09] <dutchie> they just appear as a mass storage, and sync with Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts
[23:09]  * godbyk has a Nexus One
[23:10] <godbyk> Heh.. thorwil's gonna hate me now. :)
[23:10] <humphreybc> godbyk: why?
[23:10] <godbyk> He keeps bugging me that he doesn't like the square bullets.  I just changed it to the Ubuntu logo (playing around).
[23:10] <godbyk> Don't get too attached!
[23:12] <humphreybc> lol
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu logos :)
[23:14] <humphreybc> do iphones work with ubuntu?
[23:14] <humphreybc> (silly question i know but they have a good deal on them at the moment)
[23:14] <dutchie> no
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> they don't
[23:15] <humphreybc> why does NZ charge so much for phones
[23:15] <dutchie> you need a better country
[23:15] <humphreybc> haha
[23:16] <godbyk> Also, you can't turn to the dark side and buy an iphone.. c'mon!
[23:16] <dutchie> you do definitely need linux on your phone :)
[23:17]  * dutchie wonders what's going to happen to the n900 now moblin/maemo have merged
[23:17] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc, are you editing your prologue or installation chapters at the moment?  If not, I'm gonna go fiddle with 'em for a sec.
[23:17] <humphreybc> nope
[23:17] <humphreybc> go for it
[23:17] <godbyk> I saw that.  Choosing between an n900 and a nexus one was tough.
[23:17] <humphreybc> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Mobile-phones/2degrees/auction-272572117.htm
[23:17] <godbyk> went with the nexus one 'cause it looked like a better *phone*.
[23:18] <dutchie> I went for an android because I ♥ google
[23:18] <dutchie> it's not even deliberate
[23:20] <humphreybc> haha
[23:20] <humphreybc> what do you think of that thing? it's unbranded but it does have android
[23:20]  * dutchie is quite happy with his pulse
[23:21] <humphreybc> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Mobile-phones/2degrees/auction-272596277.htm
[23:21] <dutchie> isn't the magic the winmo one?
[23:21] <humphreybc> i don't think so
[23:21] <humphreybc> not sure
[23:21] <humphreybc> none of the actual service providers stock them
[23:22] <humphreybc> (android phones)
[23:22] <humphreybc> so i couldn't get an account and get the phone for free
[23:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'd buy an unlocked Nexus One. :-)
[23:23] <humphreybc> yeah but they're too pricey
[23:24] <humphreybc> i think i'll just hold out till a carrier launches one with some good pricing
[23:25]  * dutchie got a pulse on pay as you go for £140
[23:25] <humphreybc> nice
[23:26] <humphreybc> right i'm going to go out for some lunch
[23:26] <humphreybc> catch ya'll later
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> cya
[23:26] <dutchie> time for bed I think
[23:26] <dutchie> night
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> night
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> I am off too
[23:27] <dutchie> lots of work done there :)
[23:31] <godbyk> Fine, just leave. All of you!  :-)
[23:32] <ubuntujenkins> still here just thought I would tinkier with changing the language from the command line
[23:33]  * ubuntujenkins firefox in german :)
[23:33] <godbyk> cool