[00:00] <TheMuso`> persia: no not versioned, libgraphviz-dev depends on ocaml-base-3.11.2 which is provided by ocaml-base-nox. So libgraphviz-dev needs to depend on ocaml-base-nox but as a versioned depend, and not a package name
[00:01] <persia> Provides: should handle that :/
[00:01] <TheMuso`> yeah but thats whats broken
[00:02] <TheMuso`> LP is not filling in something properly somewhere for it to work properly
[00:02] <persia> Which bit?  The builders?
[00:02] <TheMuso`> Ok here is one way to see what I mean. Go into a sid chroot, run: apt-cache depends libgraphviz-dev and do the same command in a lucid chroot.
[00:02] <TheMuso`> you will notice a slight difference with the depends on ocaml-base-nox
[00:03] <persia> 3.11.1 vs. 3.11.2
[00:03] <persia> (lucid vs. sid)
[00:04]  * persia checks
[00:04] <TheMuso`> but there is something more:
[00:05] <TheMuso`> dah graphviz does just need a rebuild.
[00:05]  * TheMuso` checks that again
[00:06] <TheMuso`> to be sure
[00:07]  * TheMuso` uploads to PPA to provide an archive point to test instlal from.
[00:07] <TheMuso`> install even
[00:08] <persia> Ah, right.  Since the new ocaml-base-nox no longer provides 3.11.1, it can't work.
[00:08] <persia> The PPA game should work just fine.  We probably need to improve the NBS tools to catch these better.
[00:08] <TheMuso`> right
[00:08] <persia> But I think LP is doing the right thing: I think it's the state of lucid that's broken.
[00:08] <TheMuso`> graphviz is part of the ocaml transition anyway
[00:09] <TheMuso`> so the task is assigned to me but I just need to test.
[00:34] <persia> TheMuso`: Is there an accessibility IRC channel?
[00:43] <TheMuso`> persia: FOr Ubuntu specifically, or in general?
[00:44] <persia> For ubuntu specifically, and specifically about development.  In other words, is there somewhere better than #ubuntu-devel to ask you about changes to accessibility packages?
[00:44] <TheMuso`> #ubuntu-accessibility is the best bet.
[00:44] <persia> Thanks :~)
[00:44] <TheMuso`> np
[00:54] <ScottL> earlier TheMuso` mentioned getting something for lucid+1, what does this mean exactly and does it only apply to LTS versions?
[00:55] <persia> Often we can't accomplish a goal within a release cycle.
[00:55] <persia> So we defer to release+1
[00:55] <persia> It's just shorthand because sabdfl hasn't announced the new name yet.
[00:55] <persia> (unless I missed something)
[00:56] <ScottL> gotcha and of course sabdfl is mark
[00:56] <persia> RIght.
[00:57] <persia> Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[00:58] <ScottL> i was disappointed (but understanding) that more lv2 apps didn't get into lucid, but i also wonder if we have more than other dedicated audio distros
[00:58] <persia> Hard to say, unless one goes and runs a comparison.
[00:59] <persia> Personally, I don't think of it as a competition: everyone has as many as they can support.
[01:00] <ScottL> i don't want competition, rather I would like ubuntu studio to be a amongst the premier or to have distinction (and not just because of ubuntu)
[01:04] <persia> Heh.  That makes sense.
[01:05] <persia> I think we ought just add as many as we can.
[01:05] <persia> I think we ought share everything we add with Debian.
[01:05] <persia> Lots of other distros end up with it, but we did our part.
[01:05] <persia> I'd rather have a reputation for generally being a leader in the area of getting new stuff packaged than worry about competition from other distributions.
[01:06] <persia> That makes the other distributions more likely to share with us.
[01:27] <ScottL> i defintely agree with sharing where we can (like debian)
[01:29] <persia> Something to consider is that it's always possible to construct a distribution that has more audio applications than Ubuntu Studio.
[01:29] <persia> One simply mirrors Ubuntu, and adds an application.
[01:29] <persia> So we'll do better to build a reputation for having enough, and having them integrated well, etc.
[01:31] <ScottL> using remastersys i made a ubuntu respin with msifits them, usplash, custome installed apps and practically every misfits song ever recorded
[01:31] <ScottL> s/them/theme
[01:31] <persia> Right.  It's not hard :)
[01:32] <persia> So, since we can never win on having the *most*, it's not worth trying, as long as we have enough.
[01:32] <persia> (although more is better, if we can support it: this is a function of how many developers can package how many applications each cycle)
[01:33] <ScottL> making the usplash with progress bar took a while though but it looks cool because the progress bar was the word "misfits"
[01:33] <ScottL> i don't want to have the most, just wanted to be a leader in lv2 movement
[01:35] <persia> Oh, I think we're in good shape there.
[01:36] <persia> We've definitely made good progress: enough that lv2 is usable on Ubuntu.
[01:39] <TheMuso`> Great, graphviz rebuild is all thats needed. Now I can upload that, and get onto actually uploading a jack-enabled xine. :)
[01:43] <ScottL> yay
[01:44] <ScottL> persia, you reminded me that I needed to send a 'thank you' email to jonas for building hydrogen
[01:45] <persia> Everyone likes "Thank you" :)
[01:48] <ScottL> well, he also rather agreeably pointed out some of my email etiquette deficiencies when he could have been haughty and nasty, that also deserves a thank you
[01:49] <ScottL> and thirdly, showing our sincere appreciation would serve to strengthen the relationship between us and debian multimedia
[14:10] <ScottL_> persia (and anyone else) - i mentioned recorded some music, here is my latest (and I'm not going to keep spamming my music)
[14:10] <ScottL_> http://fossmusicproject.org/public/song3.mp3
[14:11] <ScottL_> if can get a couple of hours left alone i can get this type of thing done, but I get very few stituations where I'm afforded contiguous time
[14:12] <ScottL_> but it's a single pass of bass and another single pass of guitar, obviously first takes then and no fixes, so yes, there are some bad notes but I'm pushng for quantitative rather qualitative music at this point ;P
[14:13] <ScottL_> and hydrogen drums should be noted as well, although it's a charmingly off meter pattern
[14:21] <abogani> Cool
[14:23] <ScottL> thanks abogani
[15:23] <ScottL> abogani, stochastic sent out an email about testing lucid (which I will be doing) and remembered you asking for kernel testing
[15:24] <ScottL> is there a good place that documents ways to test the kernel - on i386 and probably -generic vs what we have in our ppa
[15:29] <abogani> ScottL: Unfortunately no. People should do the same things already do with -rt and see if kernel  -preempt/-lowlatency is enough for they needs.
[15:30] <abogani> Obviously the best case it that -preempt were enough and UKT release it also on -i386.
[15:30] <ScottL> abogani, i saw one of your emails which had some tables with testing data, is that something I could do also?  is there a testing package or suite?
[15:32] <abogani> ScottL: Package: rt-tests, Program: cyclictest, Command line (that I use): "sudo cyclictest -n -t5 -p99 -q" so I generate a lot of load and after some minutes return to shell and press CTRL-C (cyclictest stop and print results where less is better)
[15:34] <ScottL> abogani, i will do that, thanks!
[23:08]  * stochastic is very pleased with the improvements this cycle (provided we're not crippled somehow) and now wants to bear down on theme & website plans
[23:09] <persia> We just passed feature-freeze, so the chances of crippling are decidedly low.
[23:09] <persia> And now is the time for polish, which makes theme and website ideal targets :)
[23:09] <persia> (well, and making sure we actually build an image)
[23:09]  * persia checks
[23:12] <persia> Hrm.  Seems some trimming could be done.  We're putting a livecd installer on our DVD for some reason.