[00:00] <charlie-tca> mdeslaur: <superm1> charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1
[00:00] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: <superm1> charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1
[00:00] <charlie-tca> mdlueck: it should be fixed already in the latest Ubuntu daily-live image
[00:00] <BUGabundo> [23:59] <Sarvatt> nevermind about that, the libdrm patch is there after all
[00:01] <DanaG1> I always disable failsafe-x, because it tends to cause problems, rather than fixing anything.
[00:01] <BUGabundo> some ppl should make their minds
[00:01] <crimsun> blueyed: lines 9-10 of your pastebin are pretty revealing.
[00:02] <crimsun> blueyed: Phonon appears to be misconfigured; amarok appears to use the ALSA 'plughw' device directly instead of using 'default' as it should. Have you ensured that you prioritized PulseAudio topmost/primary in KDE System Settings > Multimedia? Also, you should stop timidity.
[00:04] <blueyed> crimsun: no, PA is not the first device, since that did not work in the past. Changed that. Also purged timidity (dunno where this comes from)
[00:05] <crimsun> it doesn't help at all timidity's DM has this: "I'm happy to accept patches improving compatibility with pulseaudio.
[00:05] <crimsun> However personally I consider pulseaudio a horrible hack, and do not intend to
[00:05] <crimsun> spend much time on it."
[00:06] <DanaG1> oh yeah, whatever did happen to that pulseaudio device-manager integration code with kde?
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> All the PA patches for phonon are in, but I don't think the KMix patches ever got in due to the massive string changes and such
[00:07] <blueyed> DM? Debian Maintainer? - however, it still does not work.. prolly due to the "don't know how to handle audio/mpeg ..." thingy. Am I missing something from gstreamer?
[00:08] <DanaG> Hmm, but looking at the kcm phonon thingy, it still looks the same as it always did.
[00:08] <blueyed> crimsun: now we have http://pastebin.com/d29aeef78
[00:08] <DanaG> I see these options:
[00:09] <DanaG> HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog); Playback/recording throuth the PulseAudio sound server; USB Audio (USB Audio); PulseAudio
[00:09] <DanaG> er, "through"
[00:09] <crimsun> blueyed: quite probable, although you can continue troubleshooting Miro instead of worrying whether your backend is configured correctly.
[00:09] <blueyed> yes.. chose PA there.
[00:09] <DanaG> even weirder is that PA is there twice.
[00:10] <blueyed> crimsun: backend is ok / better now.. but gstreamer appears to be broken.
[00:10] <blueyed> DanaG: server is grayed out for me.. you can run PA as a user or server.
[00:11] <crimsun> DanaG: it isn't weird
[00:11] <DanaG> "weird" is subjective.
[00:11] <crimsun> it appears twice because that's what alsa-lib enumerates. It probably will make more sense after you read /usr/share/alsa/pulse--alsa.conf
[00:12] <crimsun> pulse-alsa.conf *
[00:12] <DanaG> 		description "Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server"
[00:13] <DanaG> The other one says it's a Xine thing.
[00:13] <BUGabundo> 2.6.32-14.19 0         500 http://neacm.fe.up.pt lucid/main Packages         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages
[00:13] <BUGabundo> ATTENTION EVERYONE TO NEW KERNEL
[00:16] <crimsun> you're a bit late:
[00:16] <crimsun>      linux | 2.6.32-14.20 |         lucid | source
[00:16] <crimsun> :-)
[00:16] <BUGabundo> darn
[00:17] <jpds> BUGabundo: FYI, pt.archive.ubuntu.com is pointing at a .pt mirror now. ;)
[00:20] <bjorkintosh> what's .pt?
[00:20] <genii> portugal
[00:21] <BUGabundo> genii: yes
[00:21] <bjorkintosh> ah. we aren't bombing it, so i don't really know much about it.
[00:21] <bjorkintosh> not sure i know where it is either.
[00:21] <bjorkintosh> something to do with brazil, i think.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> jpds: *FINALLY*
[00:22] <BUGabundo> long long long time ago it used to point to Coimbra, but some how changed,
[00:22] <genii> bjorkintosh: portugal is on a different continent than brazil
[00:22] <bjorkintosh> ?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> smartass
[00:22] <bjorkintosh> okay then.
[00:22]  * BUGabundo adds +1 to /ignore
[00:23] <jpds> BUGabundo: I've been getting a lot of people to be $CC.(archive|releases) mirrors. It's fun
[00:24] <mdlueck> @charlie-tca: I opened a bug report about partitioning being missing from the standard CD installer, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/524733
[00:24] <crimsun> mdlueck: that's already fixed
[00:25] <mdlueck> crimsun: Hua? charlie-tca seemed to confirm that the custom partition step was eliminated, thus I took the time to open a bug report.
[00:26] <crimsun> mdlueck: and I'm saying it was already fixed
[00:26] <crimsun> 19:01 < charlie-tca> <superm1> charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1
[00:26] <crimsun> i.e., http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100219.1/
[00:26] <mdlueck> crimsun, in an ISO newer than todays?
[00:27] <crimsun> which of today's are you using? :-)
[00:27] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: tomorrows prob
[00:27] <mdlueck> standard x86 install, not alternate
[00:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: well, tomorrow's will have it as well, and it's also in the first respin of today's
[00:28] <crimsun> i.e., zsync the desired 20100219.1 iso
[00:28] <mdlueck> rrrr??? from where?
[00:29] <crimsun> ...I just provided the URL!
[00:29] <mdlueck> aaahh, just saw it as you responded! ;-)
[00:31] <BUGabundo> crimsun: should _current_ be a better option ?
[00:33] <blueyed> crimsun: according to #gstreamer I need the gstreamer faad plugin, but cannot find it in Ubuntu.. hints?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> !search faad
[00:34] <BUGabundo> thanks bot
[00:35] <blueyed> does "gst-inspect-0.10 faad" work for anyone?
[00:35] <mdlueck> I have not used zsync yet. Looks to be a combination of wget+rsync, correct?
[00:35] <crimsun> blueyed: does gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad not work?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: something like that
[00:36] <crimsun> BUGabundo: purportedly, yes, but I wanted to point to specific date. Hence that instead of 'current'.
[00:36] <crimsun> hmph, omitting articles tonight.
[00:37] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:39] <Mike_lifeguard> How can I check what version of a package will be in lucid?
[00:39] <blueyed> crimsun: oh my.. thought I had this installed, but somehow must have removed it. works now.. *facepalm* Thanks!
[00:40] <crimsun> blueyed: yw
[00:40] <BUGabundo> Mike_lifeguard: apt-cache policy PACAKGE
[00:40] <crimsun> Mike_lifeguard: we aren't at the point where package versions are set in stone
[00:41] <Mike_lifeguard> are there suggestions? :D
[00:41] <crimsun> for...?
[00:41] <Mike_lifeguard> git-core
[00:41] <crimsun> ii  git-core               1:1.7.0-1              fast, scalable, distributed revision control system
[00:41] <crimsun> need something newer?
[00:41] <Mike_lifeguard> poifect, thanks :)
[00:44] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[00:44] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[01:00] <BUGabundo> back
[01:00] <BUGabundo> blob and compiz
[01:00] <BUGabundo> just no sound
[01:00] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ideas?
[01:00] <crimsun> sigh
[01:00] <crimsun> seriously, please provide more detail
[01:01] <crimsun> preferably, run alsa-info.sh
[01:03] <crimsun> Xorg seems to be burning an inordinate amount of cpu - 30% ?  And I'm just reading text.
[01:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aa55bb6ec120ac1c5b07ab4e54497ab1b353d9e6
[01:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: been like that for a week
[01:04] <BUGabundo> some ppl say it's a gtk bug
[01:04] <BUGabundo>  1003   0.04s   0.32s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - R  18% Xorg
[01:05] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ah, ok.
[01:05] <crimsun> BUGabundo: hmm, mixer elements are muted: Master, Headphone, Front, Surround, Center, LFE, Side. And IEC958 is unmuted.
[01:06] <crimsun> BUGabundo: which version of PA is installed?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> crimsun: can't unmute from the new audio indicator
[01:06] <BUGabundo> its greyed out
[01:06] <BUGabundo> crimsun:   Installed: 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu9
[01:07] <BUGabundo> humm I just heard something
[01:07] <BUGabundo> but the indicator still doesn't update
[01:07] <BUGabundo> so it's a bug in the indicator and not PA
[01:10] <simba_> what would be the lucid equivalent to "/etc/hal/fdi/policy/mouse-wheel.fdi"?
[01:13] <BUGabundo> simba_: udev ?
[01:13] <simba_> yes,
[01:14] <simba_> never edited udev, same syntax?
[01:15] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:52] <omac> hello everyone.  I did an update from 9.04 to 9.10.  The fan control disappeared because it says "pwmconfig: No sensors found!".  Any suggestions.  I found a web page which discusses mkdev.sh and that file already exists.  It detects the driver it87 as it was working before, but pwmconfig doesn't seem to see the device as being loaded.
[01:52] <BUGabundo> no idea omac, sorry
[01:54] <omac> In dmesg it says:  it87: Found IT8705F chip at 0x290, revision 3
[01:54] <omac> [  557.065124] ACPI: I/O resource it87 [0x295-0x296] conflicts with ACPI region IP__ [0x295-0x296]
[01:54] <omac> [  557.065130] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver.
[01:54] <BUGabundo> omac: please file a bug against kernel , so it doesn't get lost
[01:59] <razertek> anyone know who to get my desktop to bootup
[01:59] <razertek> i installed the new ati drivers released on the 17th and that is when things went wrong
[02:02] <mdlueck> Back at the 'puter finally. So to update the ISO I downloaded today, "zsync -i /path/to/iso.iso http://url.to.iso.zsync" correct?
[02:03] <BUGabundo> razertek: where did you get those drivers?
[02:03] <razertek> from ati
[02:03] <BUGabundo> from ATI sit? such thing is not oficialy supported
[02:03] <BUGabundo> you should use the repo version or the PPA X team
[02:03] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: something like that
[02:04] <razertek> BUGabundo: HOW WOULD I INSTASLL THIS
[02:04] <BUGabundo> you don't need the all iso path, if the filename I the same
[02:04] <mdlueck> BUGabundo: Thanks, I will try that sort of syntax.
[02:04] <BUGabundo> razertek: you start by not using capslock
[02:04] <razertek> BUGabundo: srry
[02:04] <razertek> accident
[02:04] <BUGabundo> then look at launchpad and see that ATI card are broken due to X abi bump
[02:05] <BUGabundo> until they release new drivers for current X version, there isn't much we can do
[02:05] <razertek> BUGabundo: well it broke some packages...will i have to reinstall the os all together?
[02:05] <BUGabundo> no idea
[02:05] <BUGabundo> haven't tracked ATI in a long time
[02:06] <BUGabundo> you should  NEVER go outside the repos for drivers
[02:06] <BUGabundo> its just messy and not supported
[02:06] <razertek> BUGabundo: is their a driver package i should use that i may apt-get?
[02:06] <BUGabundo> haven't tracked ATI in a long time
[02:08] <razertek> well i guess i will reinstall lucid...what i actually did was install karmic 64 then updated via update-manger -d to lucid
[02:10] <BUGabundo> won't help you much
[02:10] <BUGabundo> since its broken
[02:11] <mister_roboto> can anyone tell me if the sun jdk is available for lucid but i'm just too retarded to see it?
[02:11] <razertek> BUGabundo: how so?
[02:11] <mdlueck> Wow... really impressed with zsync!!! crc's passed, I will try the updated ISO next!
[02:11] <BUGabundo> mister_roboto: droppend
[02:11] <BUGabundo> mister_roboto: dropped
[02:11] <mister_roboto> BUGabundo: dropped??!!   why?
[02:12] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: I got an HUGE file
[02:12] <BUGabundo> to zsync most images
[02:12] <BUGabundo> I just run that when ever I got time
[02:12] <razertek> BUGabundo: is lucid broken right now for everyone...i was reading something like that in the forums...
[02:12] <BUGabundo> mister_roboto: we are going with base project: openjdk
[02:13] <BUGabundo> razertek: /topic
[02:13] <razertek> o
[02:13] <mister_roboto> BUGabundo: wow, that's a big mistake, imo :)    openjdk is good but not 100% compatible. and jee developers need 100%
[02:13] <BUGabundo> file a bug :P
[02:13] <mister_roboto> BUGabundo: what about a firefox java plugin for openjdk. i'm not seeing one of those
[02:14] <BUGabundo> yeah I think its not uploaded yet
[02:15] <razertek> BUGabundo: do you think if i do a fresh install i will be able to boot and shutdown though?
[02:15] <BUGabundo> no idea
[02:16] <razertek> well ty for your comments
[02:16] <BUGabundo> that's why we have livecd
[02:16] <seion> okay so updated version 10.04 from fresh install, Wired internet was working fine before update, now its not..... shows them under connection listen but it doesnt have a option to connect? how do i get it to work
[02:16] <BUGabundo> and daily images
[02:17] <razertek> bbl
[02:20] <mdlueck> OK, testing out the updated install CD, I still do not see partitioning questions. Am I missing something?
[02:21] <seion> doesnt ask you where to install ubuntu anywhere?
[02:22] <mdlueck> seion: What screen # should I be looking at specifically? I am double checking... I see no diff having applied 20100219.1 update to my ISO
[02:24] <seion> your trying to do a fresh install, right? i just ran the 10.04 64 amd install cd and it asked me 3/4 in where i wanted to install ubuntu, if you want to edit the partitions manualy then select the bottom option, that says manualy set up partions
[02:25] <mdlueck> seion: what day CD are you running? I am running the main CD from earlier today, x86. Then I applied the .1 patch.
[02:26] <seion> hmm i think i downloaded it from the site about 3 days ago
[02:26] <seion> no patch
[02:26] <seion> then updated after install
[02:26] <mdlueck> Aaahhh, it was said that partitioning had JUST been yanked, I believe.
[02:27] <seion> why did they yank it ...
[02:27] <mdlueck> "Ma ei tea..."
[02:27] <BUGabundo> bug
[02:27] <BUGabundo> it is supposed to be fixzed
[02:28] <mdlueck> "Ma ei tea..." is "I do not know..." in Eesti
[02:28] <seion> i still can not get wired network working on 10.04 wtf pissing me off, sees the damn port and everything
[02:28] <mdlueck> I am bewildered at them even thinking of yanking it...
[02:29] <seion> my wireless card works but not my hardwire....
[02:29] <mdlueck> I am going to reboot the VM and try today's alternate CD
[02:32] <mdlueck> seion: hee hee... what chip does your NIC have anyway?
[02:33] <omac> BUGabundo:   I reported it, but it seems someone else reported something about fancontrol in 2008:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors/+bug/218315   I just finished adding bug comments and it should be part of the 9.10 bugs, but it's not.
[02:34] <seion> realtech rtl8111/8168B pci express gigabyte ethernet
[02:35] <mdlueck> all: Alternate CD is the traditional Debian text based still, so I got to the partitioning q's now, and am familiar with that interface.
[02:36] <mdlueck> seion: sounds like a pretty kicked up NIC board.
[02:36] <seion> fucking ass and sound is not working after update either
[02:37] <seion> i need to go smoke ...
[02:37] <mdlueck> OK! :-)
[02:37] <DanaG> WATCH ZE LANGUAGE
[02:37] <mdlueck> Back to my Alt install testing!
[02:37] <DanaG> I don't gripe at small bits of swearing... but that's a bit much in one sentence.
[02:39] <BUGabundo> !language | seion
[02:39] <DanaG> (I also don't mind the three-letter-acronyms, but I find it best to avoid using them anyway.)
[02:39] <DanaG> Better to just say "argh" or "grr" or such.
[02:39] <seion> are you done whining about it lol ill watch it from now on.
[02:45] <DanaG> hmm, I think I figured out part of why ureadahead kept dying on me.
[02:45] <DanaG> My latest boot chart shows it actually working, for the first time in a long while.
[02:45] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20100218-1.png  -- warning: big image.
[02:47] <DanaG> what I used to get: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20100216-3.png -- warning: firefox-chokingly huge image.
[02:47] <DanaG> now... guess what I changed between those two images.
[02:48] <BUGabundo> what?
[02:48] <BUGabundo> too lazy to open them
[02:48] <DanaG> I changed my wallpaper.  I think that's about it.
[02:49] <DanaG> I'll change it back to verify that.
[02:50] <DanaG> My pictures dir is a symlink to my Win7 user's Pictures dir.
[02:50] <DanaG> And my wallpaper comes from under there.
[02:50] <mdlueck> Alt CD install, it was copying files, then came to a RED screen, "Select and install software - Installation step failed"
[02:53] <mdlueck> Any suggestions to that situation? Is it the same as the standard CD, that the install is busted currently?
[02:55] <BUGabundo> DanaG: aaaahhhhhhhhhh
[02:56] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: checked md5?
[02:56] <mdlueck> #################### 100.0% 492.8 kBps DONE
[02:56] <mdlueck> verifying download...checksum matches OK
[02:56] <mdlueck> used 645677056 local, fetched 78994187
[03:05] <mdlueck> I told it to continue around the error. It looked like it was getting out around 75% to 85% installing software, then would bring the red screen up. So I went onward to setting up grub.... and now it is rebooting. (shrug)
[03:09] <mdlueck> hhhmmm... Alt CD really installs minimal. "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" here I come...
[03:17] <mdlueck> Suggestions how to send Ctrl-Alt-F# to a VirtualBox VM session?
[03:17] <DanaG> HOST KEY + F#
[03:17] <DanaG> right-ctrl by default.
[03:17] <Andre_Gondim> my gwibber don't display nothing in main windows, in debug mode I recive this http://paste.ubuntu.com/380103/ any idea?
[03:18] <mdlueck> aaahhh, and since I have a KB with Fkeys on the left side, I use the left ctrl-alt .-)
[03:18] <Andre_Gondim> I'm using gwibber daily ppa
[03:20] <mdlueck> @DanaG, right-ctrl just releases the KB from focusing on the VM session. I want to send Ctrl-Alt-F# to the VM session, however.
[03:20] <DanaG> I mean, you hold host key, and then press f#.
[03:21] <mdlueck> I did that, it just released the KB back to the host OS, and the green icon turned gray on the VM session indicating that KB control was back to the host OS.
[03:22] <mdlueck> Either way, host OS gets the Ctrl-Alt-F1 I am pushing
[03:22] <DanaG> What is your host key?  It should be just one key.
[03:22] <mdlueck> Says "right ctrl" at the lower right of the VM session, so I would assume that is it
[03:23] <DanaG> yeah, then try right-ctrl + f1
[03:23] <DanaG> no alt.
[03:24] <mdlueck> No no, I am trying to get to a second text mode term window... thus Ctrl-Alt-F1
[03:24] <mdlueck> That key combo I want to go to the VM, not the host OS
[03:24] <DanaG> Host Key + F1 will SEND ctrl-alt-f1 to the VM.
[03:24] <mdlueck> Host OS keeps nabbing it
[03:24] <DanaG> same for f2 and such.
[03:24] <mdlueck> aaahhhh
[03:24] <mdlueck> I think I understand now, will try...
[03:25] <mdlueck> Thanks DanaG, that does work!
[03:44] <magn3ts> I have an encrypted home folder and I want to move /home to a different partition... how would I do that. If I move it while I'm logged in its going to be awkward since the unencrypted files are currently mounted
[03:47] <rick_cli4lif> anyone know what's new in lucid that would cause my .Xmodmap to break like so: http://dpaste.com/161933/
[03:47] <DanaG> Argh.. volume control wasn't working, and I just figured out why:
[03:48] <DanaG> Something changed my default device in pulseaudio!
[03:48] <rick_cli4lif> it's the "control add" line that causes it, checked the key codes via xev and they're all still the same
[04:10] <teethdood> flash in firefox does not work. Anyone has a workaround?
[04:40] <Andre_Gondim> teethdood, try remove flashplugin-installer and enter in site that needs flash, except youtube and try reinstall
[04:53] <LSD|Ninja> Speaking of flashplugin-installer, does that install the "proper" 64-bit flash on amd64 or the 32 bit in what I presume is some kind of 64 bit wrapper?
[05:12] <teethdood> I got this: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-installer_10.0.42.34ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:12] <teethdood>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.40 80]
[05:14] <arand> LSD|Ninja: Think the wrapper is still used, until adobe releases it proper I think that will remain.
[05:15] <arand> teethdood: use another server?
[05:16] <teethdood> arand: yeah I just switched to main :)
[05:24] <Hew> I'm trying to work out why Thunderbird 3.0 isn't in the repositories yet. It looks like the binaries are in a "New" queue rather than "Accepted", does anyone know what this means?
[05:34] <nigelb> Hew: where do you see this?  I see the thunderbird packages uploaded and accepted into lucid
[05:36] <Hew> rmadison
[05:36] <Hew> thunderbird | 2.0.0.23+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | amd64, i386
[05:36] <Hew> thunderbird | 3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | source
[05:36] <Hew> also on launchpad
[05:37] <Hew> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[05:37] <nigelb> yes the third one is build on lucid
[05:37] <Hew> nigelb, see how it's only source and not binary?
[05:38] <Hew> binaries are stuck in some sort of queue, waiting for approval from someone I assume
[05:38] <Hew> just wondering who that might be and why there is a queue, I haven't seen it before and other packages are being instantly accepted just fine
[05:38] <nigelb> I suppose it would be built soon enough
[05:38] <Hew> nigelb, it's built already. The problem is it's in a queue
[05:39] <Hew> I can DL the binaries manually from launchpad if I wanted, but it was just a question about what this queue is
[05:39] <nigelb> give it a few days
[05:39] <nigelb> probably would be resolved by then
[05:39] <Hew> I have given it a few days, but this still doesn't answer the question
[05:40] <Hew> thanks for your help tho
[05:40] <nigelb> I'll talk to someone from the mozilla team when I get a chance
[05:40] <Hew> thanks
[06:24] <alex_mayorga> anyone else with nuked empathy accounts?
[06:26] <alex_mayorga> ICQ and Yahoo! no longer show as possible selections to add an account
[06:26] <crimsun> this gtk+ bug (pegging the cpu) is completely eating my battery
[06:28] <alex_mayorga> and all my accounts but IRC have disappeared
[06:38] <alex_mayorga> is this page http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com still used/maintained?
[06:40] <rww> alex_mayorga: yes
[06:47] <alex_mayorga> rww: thanks, I'll keep it on my list of useful "time wasters" :)
[07:02] <SwedeMike> Yesterday I made sure I had all the updates and rebooted, and now in all modes (toggling rescue mode, quiet, splash etc), I get noveau starting and then my monitor turns off with "no signal" and I can't do anything more (not even toggling caps-lock on my keyboard). Any ideas? known problem?
[07:19] <qwer> hey guys, ubuntu 10.04 just detected a raid system automatically that I couldn't get to work in other distros automatically - do you guys have any idea what it is doing in order to setup dmraid?
[07:19] <qwer>  or is it using the linux kernel reaid at first?
[07:19] <bhundven> trying to get xorg-dev, but x11proto-evie-dev and x11proto-fontcache-dev are unavailable. are these going to be phased out of newer xorg-dev packages or are they missing for other reasons?
[07:27] <RAOF> SwedeMike: That seems to happen when vga16fb gets loaded (and claims the first framebuffer) before nouveau.
[07:28] <RAOF> SwedeMike: I *think* that's fixed with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu1
[07:28] <DanaG> damn vga16fb.
[07:29] <DanaG> yeah, load "if unclaimed"?
[07:29] <DanaG> Fail.
[07:29] <DanaG> Apparently vga16fb is greedy.  =þ
[07:29] <DanaG> MINE MINE MINE, ALL MINE!
[07:33] <SwedeMike> any hint how I can make the machine workable again?
[07:34] <RAOF> SwedeMike: If you've got a livecd, or another machine to SSH in, you should be able to upgrate to the newer nouveau; I *think* that works.
[07:34] <RAOF> SwedeMike: Alternatively, you can boot a previous kernel, if you've got one available.
[07:34] <SwedeMike> ah, yes, I do have three generations of kernel, so if this is a kernel issue then I can absolutely do that.
[07:35] <SwedeMike> I just thought it was something that wasn't in the kernel since it gets quite far in the boot process before failing
[07:35] <RAOF> No; it's vga16fb and nouveau fighting over the hardware.
[07:35] <SwedeMike> another option I was contemplating was to put a non-nvidia gfx card in there
[07:35] <SwedeMike> but booting earlier kernel is definitely the easiest way
[07:37] <SwedeMike> there seems to be quite a lot of new tech in 10.04, is that common for an LTS release, I thought there would be less new stuff to try to achieve stability, but instead my general feeling is that 10.04 has been going thru more changes than any other ubuntu alpha/beta I've been trying out
[07:37] <bhundven> if vga16fb is a module, you could just put the nouveau and any drivers it depends on in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[07:38] <SwedeMike> going to try booting older kernel now
[07:42] <SwedeMike> yes, that seems to have done the trick
[07:43] <SwedeMike> even the crypto passphrase seems to have been improved
[07:43] <SwedeMike> hm, no still lockup, but the screen didn't turn off
[07:43] <SwedeMike> I'll rephrase: I still get lockup when I guess noveau is going to start, but this time the screen didn't turn off
[07:44] <ZykoticK9> Has aRTS sound server been completely removed?  If I have a game giving me error about libartsc.so.0, should I just forget about it?  The game is UT2004-64bit-demo (I have UT2004 32bit working fine)
[07:46] <RAOF> SwedeMike: At what point in the boot would you expect nouveau to start?  If you're using the -11 kernel, nouveau won't be starting at all (because there *isn't* a nouveau module)
[07:48] <SwedeMike> oki, I tried -12, I'll try -10, I think I have that one as well
[07:50] <RAOF> You might have had linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12 installed.
[07:52] <SwedeMike> not intentionally, but yeah, I seem to remember that name being installed at some point
[07:55] <SwedeMike> booted 2.6.31-something that I had lying around from my upgrade, but now I'm running into the crypt-passphrase entry problem instead.
[07:59] <SwedeMike> 2.6.28-something from 9.04 locks up after mounting /
[08:00] <SwedeMike> oh well, I think I'll continue running on my 9.04 boot drive (I took an image before I went 9.10->10.04) and upgrade that in a week or so when this has settled.
[08:01] <SwedeMike> I kind of long for the days when I could boot with init=/bin/sh and actually fix things easily :P
[08:02] <SwedeMike> I'd like a mode where it'd bring you thru the initrd, load all the modules etc, then drop you to root shell before mounting / rw, just like init=/bin/sh used to do
[08:05] <RAOF> SwedeMike: Such a mode does indeed exist: throw “break=mount” on the end of your grub line, and the initramfs will drop you to a shell just before trying to mount root.
[08:06] <SwedeMike> RAOF: thanks, I'll try that!
[08:07] <RAOF> Oh!  If you didn't know that then the crypt-passphrase would indeed be a dealbreaker for you.
[08:22] <jerkface> hi, i upgraded today, and now mythtv wont record or let me watch tv because it says all available inputs are busy but there are no active recordings. anyone else run in to this?
[08:26] <syn-ack> jerkface: and this is on Lucid?
[08:27] <jerkface> yes
[08:28] <syn-ack> hrm... was about to mention that you probably needed to go to the other channel, but you're in the right place. Sadly though I dont know anything about MythTV.
[08:34] <vish> is anyone having problems with the new gnome-keyring?
[08:35] <vish> after the update it is being a huge cpu hog and is not allowing me to re-enter from the lock screen
[08:37] <jerkface> thanks syn-ack, i think i figured it out. since i updated the kernel, i need to recompile the cx18 driver and reinstall the firmware.
[08:38] <syn-ack> hah, well at least that was simple enough
[09:13] <zniavre> hello
[09:14] <zniavre> im experincing bad xorg cpu eating with nvidia 173.xx there is a workaround ?
[09:17] <MJEvans> bug 524811  Workaround ideas?
[09:18] <zniavre> do i need to install them ?
[09:21] <MJEvans> zniavre: Q from before I popped in?  And as far as I can tell that's part of the default selection on the current daily CDs
[09:22] <RAOF> MJEvans: Wait until linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic is available?
[09:22] <zniavre> but 2.6.32-14 is not available yet no ?
[09:23] <RAOF> MJEvans: That's everyone not quite being in sync on nouveau reqirements.
[09:23] <cwillu_at_work> yay, I fixed my update-manager!
[09:24] <cwillu_at_work> and I only had to blow away python, python2.6, python2.6-minimal, python-central and python-pkg-resources!
[09:24] <zniavre> http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9120/capturevj.png   >it's the first time i can see that
[09:32] <cwillu_at_work> what's with yahoo being set to the default search engine?
[09:33] <SwedeMike> cwillu_at_work: that was annouced a month ago or so
[09:33] <cwillu_at_work> missed that
[09:33] <cwillu_at_work> got a link?
[09:33] <SwedeMike> yes. I googled it.
[09:33] <SwedeMike> you google for ubuntu yahoo search
[09:34] <SwedeMike> voila
[09:36] <cwillu_at_work> smells like canonical accepted a bribe
[09:36] <cwillu_at_work> effectively
[09:36] <MJEvans> I think I'll set it back to google... I haven't used yahoo search in forever; at least it's not Bing though.
[09:36] <MJEvans> cwillu_at_work: well, it's not as if Firefox didn't also receive funding from google (and has kept their default search as google); I just happen to /like/ that default.
[09:37] <cwillu_at_work> MJEvans, and they also happened to use that as the default before
[09:37] <cwillu_at_work> because it's, you know, a sane default :p
[09:37] <MJEvans> Indeed... Bing results still... well I guess if you're searching for some of the stuff that they're good at
[09:37] <MJEvans> Whatever that is
[09:39] <MJEvans> Here's a pointlessly hopeless question to ask; why aren't the package dependencies auto-checked on these daily builds and if they fail reject the build until it's fixed (trying again every hour or two)
[09:40] <cwillu_at_work> because it's the package that's broken that needs to be fixed
[09:40] <SwedeMike> canonical received money from google before, now yahoo offered more money. I don't see the problem.
[09:41] <cwillu_at_work> SwedeMike, the previous search default was simple the right choice, that money changed hands doesn't change that.  Now it's no longer the right choice, and the only reason for that would seem to be the money
[09:41] <cwillu_at_work> or did you think that the choice of google in the first place was due to payment?
[09:42] <SwedeMike> cwillu_at_work: I'd imagine it's been money all the way. If money wasn't important then they wouldn't have had any default search, it'd just be a blank page
[09:42] <cwillu_at_work> SwedeMike, you really believe that?
[09:42] <cwillu_at_work> seriously?
[09:44] <cwillu_at_work> I could see a "please choose a homepage now" window on first launch, which still wouldn't be a bad alternative
[09:44] <SwedeMike> I don't see the problem you seem to be seeing with this. I've experienced much worse.
[09:44]  * cwillu_at_work pokes SwedeMike with a pin
[09:44] <cwillu_at_work> I don't see the problem with poking you with a pin.  You've experienced much worse
[09:45] <SwedeMike> troll.
[09:45] <cwillu_at_work> eh?
[09:45] <cwillu_at_work> how is that not an exact analogy?
[09:45] <SwedeMike> sorry, I don't feed trolls.
[09:45] <cwillu_at_work> it's one more thing I have to do on every new installation
[09:46] <cwillu_at_work> hell, I'm offering better alternatives
[09:47] <SwedeMike> we were discussing default search or not, and now you all of a sudden jumped on "blank page" and offered an alternative to that. Yes, it's very likely that they'd offer a list, but that was not what we were discussing. You're a troll.
[09:47]  * cwillu_at_work is nearly speechless
[09:48] <cwillu_at_work> You said it's probably money all along
[09:48] <SwedeMike> when you said "you do really believe that", I took for granted that you meant the part we were discussing, not a subpart.
[09:48] <SwedeMike> yes, I still believe that.
[09:48] <SwedeMike> the reason there is not a blank page or an equal choice is due to money.
[09:49] <cwillu_at_work> and I disagree with that;  browser's had defaults long before there was any money to be made on them
[09:50] <cwillu_at_work> I guess this just seems like the beginning of a decline into the distro being used as a vehicle to direct eyeballs, and I have some issues with that
[09:50] <SwedeMike> I started using the Internet in 1992-93, my first we browser was Netscape 0.9b, I disagree with you. I guess we can agree to disagree.
[09:52] <SwedeMike> either it's been netscape or microsoft or someone else offering default homepage or search to direct eyeballs, or it's been mozilla/firefox or alike. They all want to make money by offering defaults to people who pay.
[09:52] <SwedeMike> it's been like this since the invention of the browser.
[09:53] <SwedeMike> so either ubuntu was offering firefox defaults and the money went to firefox, or they offer their own defaults and the money goes to ubuntu
[09:53] <cwillu_at_work> canonical paid firefox?
[09:54] <SwedeMike> I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from my text. Please enlighten me.
[09:54] <cwillu_at_work> "so either ubuntu was offering firefox defaults and the money went to firefox"
[09:54] <cwillu_at_work> presumably I misread that
[09:54] <SwedeMike> the money from advertising/eyeballs
[09:54] <SwedeMike> so if firefox says they'll put google as default, google pays firefox.
[09:55] <cwillu_at_work> the firefox/google deal, was that based per-download or as a flat'ish fee for setting that default?
[09:56] <SwedeMike> let me google that for you and give you a link that points to one example: http://www.clickz.com/3624399
[09:56] <SwedeMike> The open-source Mozilla Foundation raked in a whopping $53 million in revenues in 2005, the bulk of it coming from a landmark deal to deliver traffic to Google’s search engine.
[09:56] <cwillu_at_work> SwedeMike, could you lay off the attitude?
[09:56] <cwillu_at_work> knowing the terms is often 90% of the battle
[09:56] <SwedeMike> I googled for <firefox google deal>
[09:57] <SwedeMike> no sorry, <firefox google search deal>
[09:57] <cwillu_at_work> and the quote you gave didn't answer the question of it was based per-download or flat rate
[09:58] <SwedeMike> cwillu_at_work: I have no idea, and I'm not going to spend time finding it out for you, sorry.
[09:58] <cwillu_at_work> that's alright, but you could have just said "I don't know", and left the attitude out
[09:58] <cwillu_at_work> as it happens, the information is a little trickier to find than reading it off the first 3 google hits, which is why I asked
[09:59] <SwedeMike> I just took for granted that you didn't google it again (like the first time), I guess I was mistaken, sorry.
[10:00] <SwedeMike> and regarding my attitude, would you rather have me answering some of your questions with an attitude, or no answer at all?
[10:18] <SwedeMike> RAOF: thanks for the hint regarding break=mount before, that way I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions which was very useful.
[10:34] <stdisease> So I tried with the fglrx 10.2 - failure as expected : symbol UpdateSpriteForScreen missing
[10:37] <BUGabundo> MORNINGGGGGGG     cocoroco
[10:37]  * cwillu_at_work huggles BUGabundo 
[10:38] <BUGabundo> oh buddy
[10:38] <BUGabundo> been missing you
[10:38] <BUGabundo> what's up ?
[10:38] <cwillu_at_work> apparently I'm a troll :)
[10:38] <cwillu_at_work> behind on my changelogs, missed the google -> yahoo switch
[10:38] <BUGabundo> we all knew that already
[10:38] <BUGabundo> but the good kind
[10:38] <cwillu_at_work> heh
[10:38] <BUGabundo> anyone seeing this in lucid? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+question/101673Q
[10:38] <BUGabundo> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+question/1016731
[10:39] <BUGabundo> stupid pidgin and failed pastes
[10:39] <stdisease> I switched back to google, yahoo refused to work through Tor
[10:39] <stdisease> display error '999'
[10:39] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, filed a bug?
[10:39] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, still not getting it
[10:39] <stdisease> cwillu_at_work, it's from the yahoo server
[10:39] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, no, against the switch :p
[10:39] <stdisease> cwillu_at_work, they block people accessing from Tor, at least google gives you a captcha to prove you're human
[10:40] <stdisease> cwillu_at_work, nope Im too lazy to get a ccount
[10:40] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, yes, just saying that it's a bug against the switch;  it'd be fair enough for them to close it as won't fix, but it should be documented
[10:40] <BUGabundo> stdisease: using devel and not having an account on LP, means BAN
[10:41] <stdisease> BUGabundo, I've no idea what LP is
[10:41] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, sorry, misread your last line.  You _really_ should get a launchpad.net account
[10:41] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, it's ubuntu's bugtracker, among other things
[10:41] <cwillu_at_work> "ubuntu-bug ubufox" in a terminal should walk you through getting an account and then filing the bug
[10:41] <BUGabundo> among *many* other things
[10:41] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/
[10:42] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/
[10:42] <BUGabundo> bahahahahsfgph+ohjfahypbº tywhernyeç5b4tneçyrorw45t-r4 wby
[10:42] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, neither of those links work for me
[10:42] <BUGabundo> I KNOW! STUPID PIDGIN
[10:42] <BUGabundo> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+question/101673
[10:42] <BUGabundo> try now
[10:42] <cwillu_at_work> good
[10:43] <cwillu_at_work> weird, I don't see the difference in the urls
[10:43] <cwillu_at_work> oh, missing 1
[10:43] <cwillu_at_work> or extra one
[10:44] <cwillu_at_work> any changes in ca-certificates lately?
[10:44] <stdisease> well both links work for me, but they're being opened with Konqueror
[10:44] <cwillu_at_work> or is twitter using an invalid cert
[10:44] <cwillu_at_work> stdisease, first two links had extra characters in them
[10:45] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, nothing there
[10:45] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, can you paste the whole gwibber log?
[10:45] <stdisease> kde/konqueror maybe filters them out
[10:45] <cwillu_at_work> not sure why it would do that, they could have been perfectly valid
[10:45] <cwillu_at_work> anyways, it's irrelevant :p
[10:46] <BUGabundo> cwillu I don't have that ! on the certs. so its fine. it JUST DOESN'T WORK :(
[10:46] <cwillu_at_work> ?
[10:46] <cwillu_at_work> oh, okay
[10:46] <BUGabundo> cwillu its *not* twitter
[10:46] <cwillu_at_work> can you give me your gwibber log anyway?
[10:46] <BUGabundo> its brainbird
[10:46] <stdisease> twitter, tweeting, ephemeral, fleeting
[10:47] <BUGabundo> $ gwibber-service -d -o
[10:47] <BUGabundo> error: (60, 'server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none')
[10:47] <cwillu_at_work> that's all it gives?
[10:47] <cwillu_at_work> (I'm installing right now)
[10:47] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/380280/
[10:47] <BUGabundo> full log
[10:47] <cwillu_at_work> thanks
[10:48] <cwillu_at_work> that should be easy to trace, one sec
[10:48] <cwillu_at_work> er, one more sec
[10:48] <cwillu_at_work> clean up on another bug is blocking the install :p
[10:48] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:49] <BUGabundo> great daily bot killed it
[10:49] <BUGabundo> pulling trunk and checking
[10:51] <BUGabundo> ok, trunk is ok
[10:51] <BUGabundo> ill ask fta to respin the bot
[10:52] <BUGabundo> cwillu FYI statusnet server is : brainbird.net
[10:55] <BUGabundo> great
[10:55] <BUGabundo> chromium just exploded
[10:55] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[10:55] <BUGabundo> great reproducble
[11:00] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=36332
[11:04] <Skiessi> Why is my Ubuntu trying to use these 2 USB MIDI-only devices I have as soundcards? Not only that, it also puts them primary and secondary devices so I don't have any sound output, unless I set every program to use hw:2,0
[11:05] <BUGabundo> Skiessi: morning, please file a bug, and ping crim_sun on it
[11:06] <cwillu_at_work> Skiessi, it's a similar usb class I think, such bugs are more possible than you might think
[11:06] <cwillu_at_work> I've got a very expensive sound card that shows only up as a midi device
[11:06] <cwillu_at_work> some day I'm gonna write a driver for it :p
[11:06] <tenpenny> hi
[11:08] <Skiessi> hi
[11:08] <tenpenny> is it ok to upgrade unverified packages
[11:09] <tenpenny> i don't remember the exxact warning but it was somewhat in context to unverified/authenticated ... etc
[11:10] <stdisease> tenpenny, usually that error clears after you run apt-get update
[11:10] <tenpenny> stdisease: ok
[11:11] <BUGabundo> tenpenny: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[11:12] <BUGabundo> if you get key errors after that, then either you have a repository which key you didn't accept
[11:12] <stdisease> tenpenny, if it doesn't it means the packages weren't signed correctly from their source, it'll clear after some time. If you haven't added any third party software sources you don't trust you can probably ignore that warning
[11:12] <BUGabundo> OR a security breatch
[11:12]  * BUGabundo hears an echo
[11:12] <marienz> hmm, now rhythmbox has started not stopping the old track if I skip to another track. Somewhat odd.
[11:12] <stdisease> ^ breach* ;p
[11:13] <stdisease> marienz, it plays them simultaneously??
[11:14] <marienz> yes
[11:14] <marienz> turning off the crossfading backend seems to have helped
[11:14] <marienz> I've had that do this before, but not quite this regular
[11:14] <tenpenny> stdisease: BUGabundo : i am not using any third party apt-sources.
[11:15] <BUGabundo> tenpenny: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <BUGabundo> tenpenny: $ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | pastebinit
[11:15] <tenpenny> ok
[11:16] <BUGabundo> or pastebin the error you get on aptitude update
[11:16] <vish> anyone using cheese to confirm Bug #524854  ?
[11:18] <tenpenny> http://pastebin.com/d4232a2d4
[11:21] <vish> is anyone having a problem returning from lock screen?
[11:21] <marienz> argh, and now shuffle won't turn off. Bad rhythmbox!
[11:22] <BUGabundo> tenpenny: you are using Karmic!!!!!
[11:23] <tenpenny> yes
[11:23] <cwillu_at_work> tenpenny, karmic support is in #ubuntu;  #ubuntu+1 is always about the next unreleased ubuntu
[11:24] <tenpenny> ok
[11:25] <vish> BUGabundo: are you able to lock screen and unlock it to return to session?
[11:25]  * vish gets stuck at the locked screen :(
[11:25] <cwillu_at_work> vish, I was able to unlock
[11:25] <cwillu_at_work> got ssh?
[11:26] <vish> yeah
[11:27] <vish> cwillu_at_work: have you filed a bug already?
[11:27] <cwillu_at_work> eh?  you're the one with a bug :p
[11:27] <vish> hehe ... ;)
[11:27] <cwillu_at_work> what are the symptoms
[11:27]  * vish about to file so was double checking ;)
[11:27] <vish> cwillu_at_work: it just stays at "Checking...."
[11:28] <cwillu_at_work> if you ssh in, is there an /var/log/auth.log entry for the attempt?
[11:28] <vish> i get bored and use SySRq+ALT+ K   :(
[11:28] <cwillu_at_work> see, that doesn't help get the bug fixed :p
[11:28] <cwillu_at_work> does it do it every time?
[11:28] <vish> yeah
[11:29] <BUGabundo> vish: got several locks on that. both lucid and debian unstable
[11:30] <om26er> after 'lock screen' entering password in gdm hangs and I have to press alt+sysrq+k to relogin
[11:30] <BUGabundo> cwillu ssh won't help. I know !
[11:30] <BUGabundo> I tried it
[11:30] <vish> om26er: same here
[11:30] <BUGabundo> even sisreq k in debian only supwon a new session
[11:30] <BUGabundo> and couldn't get old one
[11:30] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, does ssh lock up too?
[11:30] <BUGabundo> tried to kill gnome-screensaver , it's the same
[11:30] <cwillu_at_work> heh,
[11:30] <vish> BUGabundo: its a bug in gnome-keyring right?  [there was a recent update to the git version]
[11:31] <cwillu_at_work> it's secure against killing gnome-screensaver
[11:31] <cwillu_at_work> that's the point :p
[11:31] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhh
[11:31] <BUGabundo> bad security
[11:31] <BUGabundo> when I can't login!
[11:31] <cwillu_at_work> you could
[11:31] <kklimonda> om26er: do you use exryptfs?
[11:31] <cwillu_at_work> just gotta kill the right program though :p
[11:31] <kklimonda> or does the whole X just dies?
[11:31] <BUGabundo> hey look, kklimonda is up
[11:32]  * kklimonda hides
[11:32] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: don't reboot
[11:32] <om26er> kklimonda, no
[11:32] <BUGabundo> nouveua BROKEN
[11:33] <vish> kklimonda: I'm having the same , probably due to gnome-keyring (2.28.2-0ubuntu1) to 2.29.90git20100218-0ubuntu1  ???
[11:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: :D
[11:33] <cwillu_at_work> might be able to kill and restart gnome-keyring in that case
[11:33] <kklimonda> vish: there is some weird problem with gnome-screensaver and pam_ecryptfs..
[11:33] <cwillu_at_work> does it die for you guys every time?
[11:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it is? again? ;)
[11:34] <BUGabundo> again
[11:34] <vish> cwillu_at_work: everytime i tried ... alteast four times now.. :(
[11:34] <BUGabundo> behond repair if you ask me
[11:34] <cwillu_at_work> oh, is this only on encrypted home?
[11:34] <BUGabundo> spent 5 h debugging it with Sarvatt last night
[11:35] <BUGabundo> ended up purging the beast and go with blob :(
[11:35] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, so it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy that nouveau is going in by default? :)
[11:35] <BUGabundo> vish: seems like a race condition
[11:35] <BUGabundo> doesn't always happen
[11:35] <BUGabundo> but if I close my lid it most prob happens
[11:36] <cwillu_at_work> I've unlocked 3 times without a lockup
[11:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well - then I would rather know about it now and not when I have to restart :)
[11:36] <kklimonda> if I don't back in 5 minutes call for help
[11:36] <BUGabundo> cwillu seeing they need to pull -34 kernle bits to have it working ... mew
[11:36] <vish> cwillu_at_work: not encrypted .. [/me thought earlier question was about ssh keys]
[11:36]  * BUGabundo gets head start HELP
[11:36] <vish> dont have ssh access though
[11:36] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, well, they don't, strictly, it's just that that seems to be the best approach given that we have to support this for a long time
[11:37] <cwillu_at_work> everyone upstream keeps saying our bugs are fixed in 2.6.34, so unless we can actually _move_ to 2.6.34, backporting is about the best we can do to fix 'em
[11:38] <BUGabundo> ok
[11:38] <kklimonda> worked fine BUGabundo
[11:38] <BUGabundo> so anyone got the keyring bug ?
[11:38] <kklimonda> cwillu_at_work: we won't move to .34 - the plan is backport the hell of .33 and .34 and next releases ;)
[11:39] <kklimonda> is to*
[11:39] <cwillu_at_work> kklimonda, yes, I know that, was just resopnding to BUGabundo :)
[11:40] <BUGabundo> I need to sub to a few bugs
[11:40] <BUGabundo> the keyring one, the gtk SLOWWWWWWW DOWN
[11:40] <BUGabundo> HATE when ppl submit messy stuff so it just gets in before FF
[11:40] <BUGabundo> rather have FFe
[11:40] <kklimonda> interesting, there are still people who are using intrepid..
[11:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but that was the plan wrt both keyring and gtk+
[11:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: there are ppl still using 7.04 and older
[11:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I don't care. they are buggy
[11:41] <BUGabundo> and NOT fixed
[11:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you should care - after all you are here for testing and reporting bugs ;)
[11:43] <BUGabundo> ok, no one got the bug ids for both of those??
[11:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: im reaching a point I want stuff to work
[11:43] <kklimonda> oh?
[11:43] <BUGabundo> one of this days you will see me move to apple
[11:44] <kklimonda> nah
[11:44] <BUGabundo> please kill me before that
[11:44] <vish> om26er: Bug #524860
[11:44] <kklimonda> give me a sec and I'll give you gtk+ metabug
[11:44] <kklimonda> bug 523949
[11:45] <BUGabundo> THANKS
[11:45]  * BUGabundo is lazy and wishs for a way to use bot commands to sub to bugs
[11:45] <kklimonda> heh
[11:45] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: my CPU doesn't hog
[11:45] <BUGabundo> its just SLOWWWWWWWWW
[11:45] <BUGabundo> everything drags
[11:46] <BUGabundo> I type this, and the screen isn't half done yet
[11:46] <BUGabundo> what's the bug for non working sysqre +k?
[11:47] <om26er> vish: thanks
[11:47] <om26er> for both bugs
[11:47] <BUGabundo> how come this is even a bug ? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30805
[11:47] <vish> np..
[11:47] <BUGabundo> sound more like a feature
[11:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: maybe you should just stop using development releases before RC if it's getting hard for you to keep up :)
[11:50] <BUGabundo> mew
[11:51] <BUGabundo> I can't stand stable stuff
[11:51] <BUGabundo> I hate breakage
[11:51] <BUGabundo> but I miss the will to complain
[11:51] <BUGabundo> so instead of running stable and not worth complaining, cause that stuff won't get fixed anythime soon
[11:51] <BUGabundo> I put it to good use, and run devel stuff where my time, bugs, ideas are worth
[11:52] <kklimonda> you could also join the dark side of development and maintenance ;)
[11:52] <BUGabundo> I can't see in the dark
[11:52] <BUGabundo> at least not anymore
[11:56] <om26er> ubottu: hi
[11:56] <BUGabundo> lool
[11:57] <om26er> BUGabundo: send me a Hi I have to test something in empathy please
[11:57] <BUGabundo> om26er: pong
[11:57] <BUGabundo> om26er: ping
[11:57] <om26er> ok
[11:57] <BUGabundo> om26er: hi
[11:57] <BUGabundo> om26er: HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[11:58] <om26er> here it turns out the renkoo themes that is getting in ubuntu dont have any specific theme when someone sends you a message with your name
[12:00] <BUGabundo> RAOF: is it possible to have diff wallpapers on diff sides of CUBE?
[12:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: not yet
[12:06] <om26er> so human theme is dropped for lucid
[12:06] <vish> om26er: whaaaaaaaaaat?
[12:06] <BUGabundo> what? is it ?
[12:06] <om26er> vish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yNW4fnGPDk
[12:06]  * BUGabundo uses costum theme
[12:06] <om26er> its sabdfl
[12:07] <om26er> found this on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/new-theme-for-ubuntu-1004-human-is-no.html
[12:07] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot.png
[12:07] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-1.png
[12:07] <BUGabundo> my desktop
[12:07] <BUGabundo> let me login to guestsession
[12:07] <BUGabundo> and take another one
[12:08] <BUGabundo> if I don't come back in 1 min, guest session is broken
[12:09] <BUGabundo> back and alive
[12:09] <BUGabundo> at least ONE thing works in lucid
[12:10] <BUGabundo> darn there isn't a way to send files from guest to regular session
[12:10] <BUGabundo> everything is in tmpfs
[12:10] <kklimonda> hyhy
[12:10] <BUGabundo> its supposed to be like that
[12:10] <BUGabundo> but it sucks :\
[12:11] <BUGabundo> let me ssh locally
[12:11] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, mail? :)
[12:11] <cwillu_at_work> I'd half expect to be able to command-line mail to other users
[12:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: can't you save it in /tmp ?
[12:13] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: nope. 1st thing I tried :D
[12:14] <BUGabundo> cwillu scp ftw
[12:14] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot2.png
[12:14] <BUGabundo> vanila lucid
[12:14] <kklimonda> hey, looks almost like mine
[12:14] <kklimonda> you have some sort of clipboard though in the notification area
[12:16] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: like mine?
[12:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: yeah - my desktop is pretty vanilla ;)
[12:17] <BUGabundo> no no, if you *liked* mine?
[12:18] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it does look way better then the last time I've seen it
[12:18] <kklimonda> I don't like dark themes
[12:19] <kklimonda> but it does look nice this time
[12:21] <BUGabundo> OMG
[12:21] <BUGabundo> the first thing I actually like about indicator
[12:22] <cwillu_at_work> heh
[12:22] <cwillu_at_work> it's becoming useful :)
[12:22] <BUGabundo> it shows I got new replies in gwibber
[12:22] <BUGabundo> now if only I got a proper alert and not had to click on it
[12:22] <BUGabundo> *and if* kmail would work with it too
[12:49] <bahe> hello
[12:51] <bahe> there is somebody running lucid now, available for a test?
[12:51] <bahe> (5 minutes test)
[12:53] <om26er> bahe: explain?
[12:53] <vish> bahe: just ask the problem , if someone is willing they would know
[12:53] <vish> or respond
[12:54] <bahe> sure
[12:54] <BUGabundo> bahe: don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:54] <BUGabundo> some one reading the backlog _may_ anwser
[12:54] <bahe> btw my english is not so good so i need a minute to explain ^^
[12:54] <vish> !ask ;p
[12:54] <vish> !ask
[12:54] <BUGabundo> darn
[12:54] <BUGabundo> forgot the bot
[12:54] <vish> damn bot! it PMed me!!! if i added a ;p
[12:54] <BUGabundo> sorry bot
[12:55] <bahe> when the screensaver is enabled and after (10 minutes or the time you choosed) the screen becames black
[12:55] <bahe> if you move the mouse, you'll get the login page
[12:55]  * om26er thinks its the one vish reported
[12:55] <bahe> and when you insert the password, ubuntu crashs.
[12:55] <vish> baffle:  Bug #524860
[12:55] <bahe> oh
[12:55] <bahe> fine
[12:56] <bahe> you are fast :O
[12:56] <bahe> thank you :)
[12:56] <vish> bahe: np.. just subscribe to the bug you'll know when it is fixed
[12:57] <bahe> ok :)
[12:59] <kklimonda> heh, nothing like reporting a bug and discovering it's a duplicate of 4 years old one..
[13:06] <BUGabundo> LOL
[13:15]  * maxb sighs, as gnome-keyring starts dishonouring daemon-components gconf settings, and gnome-terminal starts dishonouring its own UI-configured preferences
[13:15] <maxb> regressions--
[13:25] <gnomefreak> maxb: please file bugs on all regressions
[13:25]  * maxb is filing
[13:31] <om26er> !test
[13:34] <robin0800> gvs smb brocken now with latest updates cann't connect to my samba shares any help?
[13:35] <vish> om26er: your comment on the bug report regarding renkoo would probably not be understood by others.. you can mention the "message does not get highlighted"
[13:36]  * maxb has filed
[13:37] <gnomefreak> bug #?
[13:37] <vish> maxb: "daemon-components gconf settings" ???
[13:37] <vish> bug# for that^
[13:38] <maxb> bug 524882
[13:38] <maxb> bug     	524884
[13:38] <mdlueck> Good morning all... Yesterday's alternate CD, when installing packages I never see the taskselect screen come up, progress bar jumps from 15% to 85%, then it throws a red error screen. Suggestions anyone?
[13:39] <gnomefreak> maxb: found it thanks
[13:39] <gnomefreak> ah no i didint
[13:40]  * gnomefreak afk
[13:43] <robin0800> mdlueck: faulty CD?
[13:43]  * om26er notices live cd size is back to normal
[13:46] <mdlueck> @ronim0800: Live CD was failing to install yesterday, so I think perhaps the alternate CD is broken in the installing packages area as well. Looking for confirmation.
[13:47] <mdlueck> @ronim0800: I am DL'ing the official Alpha 2 Alt CD now... but that is old to compare to, yet a comparison.
[13:48] <BUGabundo> now that talk about it
[13:48]  * BUGabundo zsyncs dailys
[13:48] <mdlueck> om26er: Yes there was a second build yesterday which corrected the size
[13:48] <BUGabundo> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[13:48] <BUGabundo> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[13:52] <damascene> hello, is their any advance on Eee laptop mice sound issue?
[13:53] <damascene> on Karmic using the packport driver helped. is the same is required for Lucid or it will be in the main release?
[13:54] <om26er> damascene: so you are not using lucid ?
[13:54] <damascene> I'm using it but the problem is there
[13:56] <damascene> first it was the mice now there is no sound at all
[13:56] <om26er> damascene: update?
[13:56] <om26er> damascene: when did you last updatred?
[13:56] <damascene> updated?
[13:57] <om26er> damascene: sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:57] <om26er> then reboot you might get sound as I did
[13:57] <damascene> I've updated a 2 days before
[13:57] <damascene> *earlier
[13:58] <gnomefreak> damascene: look at the indicater it may be muted
[13:58] <om26er> damascene: then you need to update
[13:58] <damascene> ok I'll try update now and get back to you
[13:58] <om26er> auto update?
[13:58] <gnomefreak> for some reason it mutes when upgrading PA packages
[13:58] <damascene> I used update manager
[13:58] <BUGabundo> anyone knows how much HD UNR takes after installed?
[13:59] <BUGabundo> damascene: om26er: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[13:59] <BUGabundo> much better expereince
[13:59] <om26er> BUGabundo: +2gb
[13:59] <damascene> BUGabundo, about 3.7 G
[13:59] <BUGabundo> humm
[13:59] <BUGabundo> I can only pick ONE
[13:59] <BUGabundo> which is it ?
[13:59] <BUGabundo> :)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> maybe 10 gig ;)
[14:00] <damascene> om26er, should I do the dist-upgrade thing?
[14:00] <om26er> the answer lies between 2 and 3.7
[14:01] <om26er> damascene: you should sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade as BUGabundo said
[14:01] <BUGabundo> and some times: sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[14:01] <BUGabundo> BUT BEHARE
[14:01] <BUGabundo> of the boogie man
[14:01] <damascene> aha, what is the deference between that and the normal update?
[14:01] <BUGabundo> same thing
[14:01] <BUGabundo> but handles better the depncies when broken
[14:01] <BUGabundo> which happens a lot in +1
[14:02] <damascene> ok, thanks
[14:03] <om26er> karmic broke alot when it was in development . for me lucid got problems twice the latest sound issue and once X broke
[14:03] <BUGabundo> cwillu I take it back
[14:03] <BUGabundo> indicator SUCKS
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> heh
[14:03] <damascene> for the 3.7G I think it maybe the update cache or some other programs I use that take that much
[14:03] <BUGabundo> I need to click on *EACH* reply for it to clear
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> om26er, development builds are _supposed_ to break
[14:03] <BUGabundo> not just ONCE
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, sound like a bug in the application
[14:03] <BUGabundo> gwibber?
[14:03] <BUGabundo> naa
[14:03] <om26er> cwillu_at_work: lucid is much stable
[14:03] <BUGabundo> it self is a bug
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> om26er, no, no its not
[14:03] <BUGabundo> om26er: LOOOOL
[14:04] <om26er> for mee
[14:04] <cwillu_at_work> just because you haven't been bit doesn't mean others haven't
[14:04] <BUGabundo> lets see
[14:04] <gnomefreak> Lucid is not close to stable
[14:04] <BUGabundo> no X, not sound, no grub, SLOOOWWWWW, crash in ch, ff, kmail, pidgin
[14:04] <om26er> pre alpha 1 and post alpha 3 just 2 problem
[14:04] <gnomefreak> and i mean that as in its things are broken
[14:04] <BUGabundo> suck lib indicator, fail to shutdown, fail to login
[14:04] <BUGabundo> fail to unlock
[14:04] <om26er> *pre alpha 3
[14:04] <BUGabundo> stuck in FULL PERFORMANCE
[14:05] <BUGabundo> what am I forgeting I got hit so far?
[14:05] <cwillu_at_work> nouveau?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> already said it
[14:05] <BUGabundo> bit it will beach a few more users yet
[14:05] <BUGabundo> ahh lost wifi, lost wired, lost applets
[14:05] <BUGabundo> changed fonts
[14:05] <damascene> did any one face the encrypts-utils failed to install or upgrade. problem while installing Lucid?
[14:06] <BUGabundo> lukcly my encfs is still running fine
[14:06] <BUGabundo> unlike hardy
[14:06] <BUGabundo> where I lost access to all my ecnripted files, just because we changed algho
[14:06]  * BUGabundo stops complaing... starts to sound like danag
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, he showed up in #beagle the other day
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> I cringed :)
[14:07] <vish> lol
[14:07] <BUGabundo> isn't that DEAD?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> (#beagle is an embedded explicitly no warranty demo board from texas instruments with an omap3 processor)
[14:08] <damascene> it's bug 516417
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> a hobbiest board
[14:08] <BUGabundo> he would have a FULL WEEKEND pointing _stuff_ that doesn't work
[14:08] <Guest30874> hello, is there a workaround for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/147250, using a 2510p with todays lucid-alternate-amd64.iso
[14:08] <BUGabundo> ... for him
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> so, not the search tool
[14:08] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> but, it's preloaded with a known to be broken boot-loader, and no os
[14:09] <BUGabundo> Guest30874: have you tried a newer CD?
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> you have to format an sd card properly + wire in a serial connection to a header on the board to light it up the first time
[14:09] <Guest30874> BUGabundo, there is no newer cd ;-)
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., not the sort of thing I'd enjoy walking him through :)
[14:09] <BUGabundo> weeee
[14:09] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, sure there is, it's not our fault that you can't acquire it yet :p
[14:10] <BUGabundo> Guest30874: wait for tomorrow ?
[14:10] <BUGabundo> lp is reaching 150k bugs woot
[14:10] <BUGabundo> let me guess 100k are ubuntu
[14:10] <cwillu_at_work> hey, wait, that bug is 2.6.22
[14:10] <BUGabundo> .22 is OLD
[14:10] <cwillu_at_work> you sure that's the bug you're seeing Guest30874?
[14:10] <Guest30874> BUGabundo,  sorry, but you should read the bug
[14:11] <BUGabundo> can some one tell him im lazy?
[14:11] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, or you could not expect more up to date information on an irc channel on a saturday than on the bug report tracking the issue :p
[14:11] <BUGabundo> 2007 bugs in +1 ?
[14:11] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:11] <Guest30874> when starting installation with the cd, the screen gets black after kernel messages
[14:11] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, it says "won't fix" for 2.6.22
[14:12] <BUGabundo> ahh lucid tests
[14:12] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, i'm using lucid alternate cd from TODAY so 2.6.32-13
[14:12] <BUGabundo> are you boniek?
[14:12] <BUGabundo> thers a daily , much recent then A2
[14:12] <Guest30874> but this bug is still happening
[14:13] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:13] <BUGabundo> too long description for me to read it
[14:13] <BUGabundo> in 140 chars or less, can you describe the _current_ problem?
[14:14] <Guest30874> BUGabundo, i'm using this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/lucid-alternate-amd64.iso
[14:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:14] <cwillu_at_work> Change default video mode for i386/amd64 to vga=788 for installations
[14:14] <cwillu_at_work>      using the "newt" frontend. This forces the framebuffer to VESA and will
[14:14] <cwillu_at_work>      thereby solve problems reported on various HP notebooks with the vga16fb
[14:14] <cwillu_at_work>      driver. It also increases the screen size and thus allows more information
[14:14] <cwillu_at_work>      to be displayed. Closes: #471505.
[14:14] <Guest30874> BUGabundo, sorry my nickname isn't right, something wrong with xchat
[14:14] <damascene> I'm being asked to configure libpam0g what is that?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> we no longer have FB either
[14:15] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, what video chipset is that?
[14:15] <BUGabundo> damascene: push ENTER
[14:15] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, i tried vga=788, didnt work
[14:15] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, read the question :p
[14:15] <damascene> BUGabundo, done
[14:15] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, one sec
[14:16] <cwillu_at_work> just the general make
[14:16] <cwillu_at_work> nvidia/intel/ati
[14:17] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, intel gm965/gl960
[14:18] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, and the normal live cd boots fine?
[14:19] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, i didnt tried this yet
[14:19] <Guest30874> i dont really want to download it
[14:19] <cwillu_at_work> :/
[14:19] <mauri> i need a program to manipulates pdf file (apart PDFEDIT that has a little problem), any suggests?
[14:20] <cwillu_at_work> mauri, inkscape
[14:20] <mauri> cwillu_at_work: if I'm not worn, it manages one pages at timje
[14:21] <cwillu_at_work> Guest30874, need to find out if it's only the alt cd, and what's different between them, and if kms works on the livecd and not the alt cd
[14:21] <cwillu_at_work> mauri, yes, that's how pdf's work
[14:21] <cwillu_at_work> you'll have to split it out first, probably using some tools from pdfedit, not sure what problem it had specifically
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> pdf isn't really intended as an editable format
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> I'm not sure it's even formally decidable (postscript isn't)
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> (which means that it's amazing that it's editable at all :p)
[14:22] <BUGabundo> mauri: OOo PDF importer
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> ugh;  inkscape is such a better tool :p
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> use OOo to split it at most :p
[14:23] <BUGabundo> cwillu wronge... PDF *is* meant to be editable
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, eh?
[14:23] <Guest30874> cwillu_at_work, i see
[14:23] <BUGabundo> really
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> forms don't count as editable
[14:23] <BUGabundo> I kid you not
[14:23] <Damascene> Hi again, the sound is working the mice isn't
[14:23] <om26er> great
[14:24] <Damascene> thanks om26er but I really need the sound or I'll be using windoze for voice chat
[14:24]  * Damascene forgets that he is using alpha 
[14:25]  * om26er never used a mice with ubuntu so never got into any trouble with it so don't know what to say
[14:26] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, wikipedia doesn't corroborate your statements about pdf :p
[14:27] <BUGabundo> Damascene: use a stable release then !
[14:28] <cwillu_at_work> in fact, inkscape is the only mentioned program capable of arbitrary modifications
[14:28] <Damascene> BUGabundo, Lucid is stable enough for me
[14:29] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, relevant to this discussion is how many documents get made public with "redaction" consisting of black highlights over the text to be "removed"
[14:29] <BUGabundo> Damascene: then don't complain when it doesn't work :D
[14:29] <cwillu_at_work> because it's non-trivial to do any better with a pdf
[14:29] <BUGabundo> check publishing tools
[14:30] <BUGabundo> I do work at a publsihing editorial
[14:30]  * gnomefreak really wishes people would not use the word "stable" its not close to stable alot of things are very broken
[14:30] <cwillu_at_work> I know the tools exist, but that doesn't mean the format was intended for that use (it really wasn't)
[14:30] <BUGabundo> they use PDF to transfer documents (editable)
[14:32] <hifi> wth is going on with rsyslogd
[14:32] <hifi> 164% CPU usage
[14:32] <gnomefreak> where did the extra 64% come from
[14:32] <hifi> other core
[14:32] <cwillu_at_work> gnomefreak, multicore
[14:32] <om26er> ok, I rephrase it. Lucid have been quite not so unstable for me.
[14:32] <Damascene> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Fixes should I use those fixes or it's for old version of Ubuntu
[14:32] <gnomefreak> ah that would do it
[14:33] <Damascene> :)
[14:34] <Damascene> what about this:
[14:34] <Damascene> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic
[14:35]  * gnomefreak just unmuted it after updates and poof it works
[14:35] <Damascene> suggested here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Asus%20Eee%201005HA
[14:35] <om26er> try
[14:37] <Damascene> is there any alternative for middle mouse button on laptops?
[14:37] <om26er> there were quite a few problems in acer aspire one that were not phrased in karmic release notes for netbooks. is there a way that I right those notes for Lucid?
[14:38] <BUGabundo> Damascene: double click
[14:38] <BUGabundo> ie press BOTH at same time
[14:38] <om26er> s/right/write
[14:38] <BUGabundo> om26er: file bugs agains ubuntu-nots
[14:38] <BUGabundo> *notes
[14:38] <BUGabundo> darn GTK bug and laggy keyb
[14:39] <gnomefreak> wiki can be fixed by anyone with an LP account
[14:39] <Damascene> BUGabundo, double click doesn't work
[14:39] <om26er> those noted are written by community members(owners of the netbook) so there might be a team or something
[14:39] <BUGabundo> Damascene: ie press BOTH at same time
[14:40] <BUGabundo> left and right
[14:40] <BUGabundo> I do it ALL the time
[14:40] <zniavre_> does old gtk lib is availble ?
[14:40] <BUGabundo> zniavre_: sure
[14:40] <Damascene> BUGabundo, doesn't work for me. sorry
[14:40]  * om26er removes 'does' and brings 'is' to the left
[14:41] <BUGabundo> (02:40:41 PM) Damascene: BUGabundo, doesn't work for me. sorry
[14:41] <BUGabundo> there
[14:41] <BUGabundo> I just select your test with a double click, then pasted with both buttons
[14:41] <BUGabundo> on my laptop touchpad
[14:42] <zniavre_> do you think it will solve slow gtk ?
[14:42] <Damascene> BUGabundo, both buttons you mean the left and right click buttons?
[14:43] <BUGabundo> zniavre_: no. only works around it
[14:43] <BUGabundo> Damascene: YES
[14:43] <gnomefreak> oh that cant be good :(
[14:43] <hifi> was a known bug
[14:43] <Damascene> ok no problem
[14:44] <zniavre_> BUGabundo,  thank you
[14:44]  * gnomefreak got rid of my warnings now im afk
[14:44] <zniavre_> so we hav to wait for  a magic update
[14:44] <BUGabundo> eh
[14:48] <mdlueck> As I am seeing if Grub is causing an error, off of the Alt CD I used lilo... just I can not remember how to config it. Trying to remember how to set it to bring up a menu so I can dual boot. Anyone remember?
[14:51] <mdlueck> It still boots directly to Linux, no menu
[14:52] <tsimpson> hold escape
[14:52] <mdlueck> and holding esc will bring up the boot menu?
[14:53] <tsimpson> depends which boot menu you mean
[14:53] <tsimpson> the grub one, yes
[14:53] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: left shift for grub2
[14:53] <Amaranth> tsimpson: it's shift
[14:53] <Amaranth> yeah, what he said
[14:54] <mdlueck> but I selected lilo as I suspect a grub error
[14:54] <Amaranth> does lilo have a boot menu?
[14:54] <mdlueck> Yes... ;-)
[14:54] <mdlueck> Last millennium at least
[14:55] <BUGabundo> mdlueck: do we still package lilo ?
[14:55] <Amaranth> yeah, haven't used it since 2002 myself, don't remember
[14:55] <BUGabundo> :p
[14:55] <BUGabundo>  /rant
[14:55] <BUGabundo> hi Amaranth
[14:55] <mdlueck> I think I found it, vga=ask commented out!
[14:55] <mdlueck> BUGabundo, yes on the alt install CD
[14:57] <SwedeMike> I'm trying out my new i5 661 and according to the building rules etc it looks like CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_NI_INTEL=m should be there, but it's not in my /boot/config file for the current 2.6.32-14 kernel (or -13 or -12 for that matter).
[14:57] <SwedeMike> it's actually defined in debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu
[14:59] <mdlueck> No, vga=normal still assumes Linux. hhhmmm...
[15:01] <rtz_> cwillu_at_work, regarding the 2510p bug, i'm load the lucid daily desktop cd now, but this will take some time
[15:12] <mdlueck> aaahh, figured out how to make lilo work, uncomment "prompt" and up comes the boot menu. Oy!
[15:12] <mdlueck> On with work!
[15:15] <MenZa> Humm, is Flash broken on Lucid?
[15:16] <BUGabundo> a bit
[15:18] <MenZa> It doesn't appear to be working at all
[15:18]  * MenZa shrugs.
[15:18] <BUGabundo> sure it is
[15:18] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[15:18] <BUGabundo> I'm using 64bits .so
[15:18] <MenZa> I'm just grabbing the 32-bit .so off Adobe's website.
[15:18] <BUGabundo> WHY?
[15:19] <MenZa> BUGabundo: Because the packaged version isn't working for me, apparently.
[15:19] <stdisease> package 'pastebinit' lacks dependency python-configobj
[15:19] <BUGabundo> eheh stdisease
[15:19] <BUGabundo> glad I already have it
[15:20] <BUGabundo> $ aptitude why python-configobj
[15:20] <BUGabundo> i   bzr Depends python-configobj
[15:20] <BUGabundo> are you sure??
[15:20] <stdisease> BUGabundo, the packager must've missed because they laos had it already installed
[15:20] <MenZa> And that worked nicely, BUGabundo :)
[15:20] <stdisease> BUGabundo, yes sure, it should have been listed as dependency, does not run without it
[15:21] <stdisease> 'import configobj' -> No module named configobj ; apt-get install python-configobj -> fine
[15:21] <stdisease> BUGabundo, please by all means feel free to file a report against it, I don't have my LP account yet :p
[15:23] <BUGabundo> $ echo foo | pastebinit
[15:23] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/380412/
[15:23] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy pastebinit  | pastebinit
[15:23] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/380413/
[15:26] <MenZa> I'm amazed that, after three years, my sound card still doesn't install with proper settings on Ubunt :(
[15:26] <MenZa> Ubuntu*
[15:26] <MenZa> I *know* the fix each time I do an install, but I'm just surprised.
[15:27] <MenZa> j #ubuntu+1
[15:29] <BUGabundo> MenZa: and how many bugs have you file on it ?
[15:29]  * IdleOne hands MenZa a slash
[15:29] <MenZa> Thanks. :)
[15:29] <BUGabundo> or how many times have you talked to crimsun bout it ?
[15:29] <MenZa> BUGabundo: I believe I filed the bug back when I first experienced it.
[15:29] <MenZa> Or maybe that was ALSA upstream.
[15:31] <kklimonda> MenZa: so for 3 years you have done nothing else?
[15:31] <MenZa> Correct. I'm not on a crusade to fix it.
[15:32] <MenZa> And every time I've upgraded mys system, I've kept my model= option in alsa-base.conf intact, so I haven't experienced the bug much.
[15:33]  * kklimonda sighs 
[15:34] <BUGabundo> by now such .conf can cause more troubles then fixes :D
[15:34]  * MenZa runs off to report a new bug in Launchpad, including the fix.
[15:38] <MenZa> Where would be appropriate to place such a bug? I filed one in ALSA upstream three years ago, and that's where LP is telling me to go.
[15:41] <BUGabundo> ahah
[15:41] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio?
[15:41] <MenZa> But it's not a pulseaudio bug.
[15:42] <MenZa> It's simply a question of the alsa configuration tool doesn't automatically set the correct option for my card, and thus, no audio output is available.
[16:03] <crimsun> MenZa: the what?
[16:03] <MenZa> crimsun: iono, you tell me how it works. :)
[16:03] <crimsun> "iono"?
[16:03] <MenZa> "I don't know"* -- sorry.
[16:03] <crimsun> MenZa: what's the problem?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> MenZa, I have to state the obvious , make sure you have both alsa-base and alsa-utils installed
[16:04] <MenZa> BluesKaj: It's merely a question of adding "snd-hda-intel model=3stack" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and it works fine.
[16:04] <crimsun> MenZa: "ubuntu-bug alsa-base", then
[16:05] <MenZa> crimsun: Shall do!
[16:05] <MenZa> crimsun: What sort of output would you like with it; sudo lshw?
[16:05] <crimsun> MenZa: not necessary; apport collects all the necessary info.
[16:05] <MenZa> Perfect. :)
[16:06] <crimsun> MenZa: make sure your LP account has a valid e-mail, because you'll need to be CCed for stable@kernel
[16:06] <crimsun> (it's a kernel bug)
[16:06] <MenZa> Aye; it's valid enough.
[16:07] <MenZa> I use Launchpad pretty proficiently -- my @ubuntu.com e-mail wouldn't work without it!
[16:07] <BUGabundo> all this time, and its all a ernekl bug
[16:07] <BUGabundo> remember to close your old alsa upstream bug
[16:08] <MenZa> Closed aaaages ago.
[16:08] <crimsun> we don't use Mantis, really. It's a cesspool.
[16:09] <MenZa> Aaaand, reported as bug #524948. Thanks, crimsun.
[16:11] <crimsun> MenZa: interesting. You're saying that the existing model=laptop-eapd quirk /doesn't/ work?
[16:12] <MenZa> crimsun: This is correct.
[16:13] <crimsun> I suspect a bios issue (Toshiba is known for those), but I'll see what I can do for your SSID
[16:13] <MenZa> crimsun: It did, however, work back in the Hardy days. Or so I confirmed from an old blog post of mine, where I first wrote about the acquisition and installation of Ubuntu.
[16:13] <MenZa> crimsun: I've not performed any BIOS updates, for the record.
[16:18] <om26er> can I make mutter my default window manager?
[16:29] <vish> !offtopic | om26er
[16:30] <om26er> too late
[16:30] <vish> ;)
[16:32] <om26er> but still disabling compiz made my boot time drop by4 secs
[16:32] <vish> om26er: but saving those 5secs leads you to live with an ugly desktop for muuuuuch longer ;p
[16:33] <om26er> vish: if using netbook-edition that ugliness don't get the chance. only minimize effect can do that trick which mutter have got and is much liter
[16:34] <om26er> *to start
[16:36]  * om26er read somewhere that mutter was being considered for Lucid in UNE
[16:36] <om26er> /s/was/is
[16:59] <mdlueck> I have discovered a strange bug with Grub2 in Lucid. Anyone up on Grub?
[17:03] <mdlueck> When Lucid installs Grub, and Windows 2000 on NTFS was pre-existing, somehow that makes Win2K unbootable. Halts at Mup.sys. Using lilo for dualboot works perfectly.
[17:03] <mdlueck> Also works with Ubuntu 9.10
[17:06] <mdlueck> Lucid / Grub2 / WinXP do work properly. So it is specific to Win2K's version of NTFS
[17:07] <mdlueck> and Lucid's version of Grub2
[17:33] <teethdood> mdlueck: Lucid's grub2 would not boot my winxp neither
[17:39] <mdlueck> teethdood: that is odd... last time I tried it worked fine with WinXP... that was with the official Alpha 2 release. And Win2K failed. So I skipped XP for now testing yesterday and was focusing on 2K.
[17:41] <syn-ack> Question.
[17:42] <om26er> go on
[17:42] <syn-ack> Is the NX bit on a 64 bit processor enabled by default in Lucid?
[17:42] <syn-ack> If not, how would I go about playing around with it?
[17:43]  * om26er dont even know what nc bit is. :(
[17:43] <om26er> see I cant even spell it right
[17:44] <syn-ack> The Non Executable Bit in your processors
[17:44] <syn-ack> thanks anyway
[17:44] <MenZa> crimsun: Thanks for the quick response and patch submission.
[17:44] <kklimonda> syn-ack: it should be
[17:45] <syn-ack> kklimonda: is there any software I can use to verify and if it's not, enable it?
[17:46] <syn-ack> hrm, I'm assuming this PaX is what I'm looking for
[17:46] <kklimonda> syn-ack: more or less: /usr/lib/update-notifier/check-bios-nx --verbose
[17:47] <kklimonda> syn-ack: on x64, if it isn't disabled in your bios you don't have to do anything else - it just works (tm)
[17:47] <syn-ack> ah, good then its enabled
[17:47] <mdlueck> teethdood: Did you try booting XP in Safe Mode? Does it even try? Where does it run into troubles? For me, Win2K stops booting at mup.sys
[17:48] <syn-ack> I know that when I had windows on here for the short time in which I had it, that I could literally turn it on and off at leisure so yeah
[17:49] <kklimonda> no idea if you can even disable it on linux - probably some kernel boot flag
[17:49] <syn-ack> I presume this means that all is good... This CPU has 'nx' in the flags, so the BIOS is not disabling it.
[17:58] <syn-ack> ah, seems that I can disable it on a per application basis
[17:59] <kklimonda> syn-ack: cool - how?
[17:59] <syn-ack> The reason I was asking, kklimonda is that I can't get IE to run in wine because of it being enabled
[17:59] <syn-ack> kklimonda: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2009/07/disabling-the-nx-bit-for-specific-apps/
[18:00] <syn-ack> The only reason I'm wanting to run IE is for a test of my daughter's online highschool website
[18:01]  * vish thought all websites were online ;)  
[18:01]  * vish hides before syn-ack throws something at him :D
[18:01] <syn-ack> heh
[18:01] <crimsun> not patently true; see /usr/share/doc/foo/blah/index.html ;-)
[18:02] <syn-ack> vish: well her site has this "message" feature and for some reason, regardless of the browser I'm using, on linux she cant check her messages
[18:03] <syn-ack> I try to run IE and I run into a fortification issue with libc6
[18:04] <kklimonda> heh, IE isn't really supported for some reason ;)
[18:04] <vish> syn-ack: you might have already tried it .. but still did you try user agent switching?
[18:05] <syn-ack> vish: the last I checked, it didnt work with Firefox 3.5+
[18:06] <ck773> does Safari run in Linux?
[18:06] <ck773> cause there is a way to do user-agent switching in Safari pretty easily
[18:06] <tgpraveen12> ck773: safari doesnt natively
[18:07] <tgpraveen12> run on linux
[18:07] <tgpraveen12> does anybody here have the newest youtube ui change
[18:07] <tgpraveen12> coz with that videos dont run at all
[18:07] <bjorkintosh> you can change user agents with a plugin for firefox.
[18:08] <vish> syn-ack: user agent switcher works here in ff3.6
[18:08] <vish> i'm able to spoof it to believe I'm using IE 7 on windows
[18:09] <vish> just now tested with this > http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html
[18:09] <vish> not sure how reliable it is though ^
[18:09] <vish> tgpraveen12: youtube  didnt work for a few hours for me too , but suddenly it started working o.0
[18:09] <ck773> holy crap. why did firefox change to yahoo for defaults? i was quite comfy with google...
[18:10] <greg-g> what the heck happened to my empathy accounts?
[18:10] <greg-g> erm, my empathy accounts disappeared :)
[18:10] <tgpraveen12> vish: in firefox and chromium incognito mode i get old youtube ui where everything works
[18:10] <greg-g> anyone else see that from a recent upgrade/restart?
[18:10] <tgpraveen12> but in normal in chromium i get new ui which doesnt work
[18:10] <Takyoji> greg-g: I've had the same recently as well
[18:11] <vish> hmm , new UI.. havent seen that
[18:11] <greg-g> Takyoji: are you able to add the accounts back? I can't.
[18:11] <tgpraveen12> many days agao i got a message in youtube saying i have been selected for tesiting the new ui
[18:11] <tgpraveen12> and now i dont even see a way of getting out
[18:11] <Takyoji> I can't add accounts either
[18:11] <greg-g> Takyoji: have you reported a bug? I'll confirm.
[18:11] <Takyoji> I haven't reported one
[18:11]  * greg-g will do so
[18:12] <syn-ack> hrm
[18:13] <syn-ack> vish: Yeah, like I said the last time I checked the User Agent Switcher still didnt work, but thanks! I'll give it shot
[18:13] <vish> np..
[18:16] <nacho_> Hi
[18:16] <nacho_> since a few days, the apps are running hell slow here, i.e editing a file with gedit and moving between lines is really, slow, does any of you experienced something like this?
[18:17] <nacho_> also, rhythmbox takes a lot of cpu
[18:17] <syn-ack> hrm
[18:17] <penguin42> nacho_: No! If you do a top can you see anything else running? does dmesg show anything interesting?
[18:18] <nacho_> penguin42, top just says about xorg and rhythmbox
[18:18] <vish> nacho_: known bug
[18:18] <nacho_> and dmesg nothing interesting
[18:18] <nacho_> vish, good
[18:18]  * vish tries to find it
[18:19] <kklimonda> bug 523949 and other with gtk-csd patch
[18:19] <kklimonda> s/patch/tag
[18:20] <syn-ack> kklimonda: Yeah, I've been experiencing it too, but thankfully dual core processors are great for helping control that. :D
[18:20] <vish> ah , ty kklimonda nacho_: ^
[18:20] <nacho_> ok thanks
[18:20] <nacho_> just wanted to know if it was reported
[18:20] <greg-g> Takyoji: bug 524984
[18:21] <syn-ack> User Agent does not work
[18:22] <syn-ack> I need to call their IT dept and chew them a new one
[18:44] <tgpraveen12> so anybody knows what the new lucid theme that mark talked about is?
[18:47] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: yeah posted on -desktop by mistake this is better.
[18:47] <mdlueck> Workplace Switcher Q: Why in 9.10 and 10.04 are the default names Desk #, but if you add more, they are added as Workspace #. Naming is consistent in 9.04.
[18:47] <tgpraveen12> and didnt he say that human is being retired and soemthing lighter is coming
[18:49] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: he said "We'll have some new styling which is going to be the starting point of another five year view. We've been Human for the last five years, and now we're going to be light oriented. " so interpreting it as the new theme for gtk+/metacity may be a stretch
[18:49] <tgpraveen12> well he said 2 things in that line
[18:50] <tgpraveen12> a. noi more human which basically means human is out.
[18:50] <tgpraveen12> b
[18:50] <tgpraveen12> we are light oriented soa light human is not possible because of a
[18:50] <tgpraveen12> so it probably means a new themethough yes the msg is not 100% clear
[18:51] <kklimonda> but he has also stated that there will be "some new styling" and that it's going to "be the starting point"
[18:52] <crimsun> please don't read more into it than what's in his words.
[18:53] <crimsun> doing so [reading more into it than what's present] inevitably results in disappointment, so let's avoid that.
[18:53] <kklimonda> yeah - in the past people have done it and every release we have a lot of users who are disappointed..
[18:53]  * tgpraveen12 think crimsunmakes sense
[18:54] <kklimonda> for sure the current gtk-csd may indicate that the design team is working on something but before we actually see any real theme we shouldn't spread rumors..
[18:57] <bjsnider> but what is "light" in this context? brighter colours?
[18:57]  * penguin42 wonders if they'll clean up the inheritence of icons
[18:57] <bjsnider> lightweight?
[18:58] <bjsnider> going to ship flashlights to everybody that runs ubuntu?
[18:58] <tgpraveen12> light meansa yes brighter not a dark theme
[18:59] <kklimonda> well, rickspencer3 doesn't really help by saying "stay tuned!" :/
[18:59] <tgpraveen12> he does. he says that something is coming
[18:59] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is dark, so far
[18:59] <tgpraveen12> so there is a reason for excitement
[18:59] <kklimonda> heh, and gnome shell still looks like some academic project and not a future of GNOME..
[19:00] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: +1.
[19:00] <bjsnider> well that's certainly...your view
[19:00] <tgpraveen12> but gnome-sheelll can easily be themed and i ahve seen some screenshots where it was made fedora blue
[19:00] <penguin42> kklimonda: Agreed
[19:01] <tgpraveen12> bjsnider: and mine and many others. though lets not get into that so soon
[19:01] <penguin42> kklimonda: Ignoring the look, it just doesn't feel right to use
[19:01] <tgpraveen12> my biggest problem is that gnome shell hampers multitasking
[19:01] <tgpraveen12> switching between open windows is made unnecessarily complex.
[19:02] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I can't figure out how to open another instance of something on another workspace except by dragging
[19:02] <tgpraveen12> the next step sis to make it like the ipad nd remove multitasking
[19:03] <tgpraveen12> that brings me to the other problem i dont use workspace i never have and currently this works fine on gnome 2. but in gnome shell concept of workspace is heavily emphazied
[19:03] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I've used them heavily for at least 15 years, but I couldn't figure out how to use them in gs as I do everywhere else
[19:04] <kklimonda> is there a gnome shell ppa?
[19:04] <kklimonda> so I don't have to build it by hand?
[19:04] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: yes
[19:04] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: it's just in lucid
[19:04] <tgpraveen12> ricotz one
[19:04] <tgpraveen12> dont remember the link though
[19:04] <om26er> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing
[19:05] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: that is not as updated as the ppa
[19:05] <tgpraveen12> the ppa is daily i think
[19:05] <kklimonda> time to see how it works with nouveau
[19:05] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I run with a 3x3 workspace setup (and have done for years), with things like webbrowser typically in bottom right, music bottom, left, mail mid-left, dev stuff anywhee else
[19:05] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: it requires composting i think
[19:05] <tgpraveen12> dont have too high hopes
[19:06] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: nouveau have compositing and I'm running both xorg-edgers PPAs so I have 3d support - compiz works
[19:06] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: separating out dev stuff makes sense but why spearate broswer,musicand mail.
[19:06] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: oh cool.
[19:07] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: Just so I get more screen space - it means I can have full screen browser, the music just keeps playing and most of the time I don't do anything with it
[19:07] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: i think being a windows user who changed 3-4 years ago only i dont appreciate workspace
[19:07] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I don't have it as a hard rule - I'll pop up shells everywhere and anywhere
[19:07] <tgpraveen12> but then put music in the notification applet mode
[19:07] <penguin42> yeh I could
[19:07] <bjsnider> the ppa isn't daily
[19:08] <kklimonda> I have been using linux for like 10 years and I don't appreciate workspaces ;)
[19:08] <bjsnider> but it does contain the new mutter release
[19:08] <tgpraveen12> and as for fullscreen browser it takes one key to come aout and in of fs and one key to switch workspace
[19:08] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: oh I don't mean fs, I mean just maximised
[19:09] <tgpraveen12> i just dont see the point for normal users. it makes sense if totally unrelated set of tasks are being done and that too for powerusers but with shell workspace aremuch more prominent then necessary
[19:09] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I very rarely get into stacking issues using it like this
[19:09] <bjsnider> penguin42, you use one workspace with every window maximized?
[19:09] <penguin42> bjsnider: No, I have 9 workspaces
[19:09] <kklimonda> bjsnider: I do :)
[19:09] <bjsnider> oh, mixed you and kk up
[19:09] <penguin42> bjsnider: I have webbrowser maximised in one, mail (shell) near maximised in another, and then random shells in lots of others
[19:10] <kklimonda> alt tab is my bff ;)
[19:10] <bjsnider> kklimonda, there's no wrong way to set up a linux desktop, but you're doing it the wrong way
[19:10] <kklimonda> :}
[19:10] <penguin42> kklimonda: Pah you have to look at it when you switch - I use the ctrl-alt-arrow to switch - I get used to thinking the webbrowser is at my right
[19:12] <bjsnider> i hate maximized windows. there's no point to them except in very specific circumstances
[19:12] <syn-ack> Multiple desktops suck, thats why man created the ability to use multiple monitors. :D
[19:12] <penguin42> bjsnider: They're a pain when you have stacked stuff - when there isn't anything else on the workspace they're fine
[19:12] <penguin42> syn-ack: Yeh well you are all on another monitor :-)
[19:13] <syn-ack> I'm on something, to that I'd agree. :P
[19:14] <penguin42> I know all the shortcuts so flipping windows between workspaces is easy as well
[19:14]  * penguin42 disappears for some food
[19:19] <diverse_izzue> hi all. is anyone else experiencing very frequent freezes of the entire system in lucid?
[19:20] <mdlueck> About bug 508632 - Must this wait for Gnome to fix is before Ubuntu can restore functionality?
[19:20] <kklimonda> nice, it works
[19:21] <om26er> diverse_izzue: you might be having high cpu usage
[19:22] <om26er> diverse_izzue: are you?
[19:22] <diverse_izzue> om26er, i'm talking about a hard freeze, the system won't accept any input whatsoever
[19:22] <diverse_izzue> so i can't know about cpu usage
[19:25] <tgpraveen12> diverse_izzue: after some time of waiting does sys return to nromal
[19:26] <tgpraveen12> man this cpu usage bug is really annoying
[19:26] <diverse_izzue> tgpraveen12, i never waited more than half a minute or so, then hard-rebooted
[19:26] <tgpraveen12> hmm and what is urt processor specs?
[19:26] <diverse_izzue> tgpraveen12, can you give me a bug #?
[19:26] <tgpraveen12> *your
[19:27] <diverse_izzue> it's a core duo, 2x 2ghz
[19:27] <om26er> what is client side window decoration?
[19:28] <tgpraveen12> om26er: good question
[19:28] <om26er> and the anwer is.....
[19:30] <Drakeson> could you please help me debug the init.d processes? some init files (in /etc/init.d) are apparently not run, for instance: dictd, screen-cleanup, cups.  These are not symlinked to /lib/init/upstart-job.
[19:31] <crimsun> Drakeson: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2009-07-11 23:27 /etc/rcS.d/S70screen-cleanup -> ../init.d/screen-cleanup
[19:32] <crimsun> Drakeson: I presume you realize that we still honour sysv scripts, so they're still being run.
[19:33] <Drakeson> crimsun: I have that exact symlink
[19:33] <crimsun> Drakeson: and well you should. screen doesn't ship an upstart job.
[19:34] <crimsun> Drakeson: same for dictd and cups.
[19:34] <Drakeson> I know, but I am wondering why it is not being executed.
[19:34] <crimsun> hmm? It surely is on my machine, at least.
[19:35] <Drakeson> (for cups, dictd, etc, they are in rc5.d, not rcS)
[19:35] <crimsun> eh? No, not just.
[19:35] <Drakeson> I am looking for a way to debug what is happening
[19:35] <crimsun> ls -l /etc/rc*/*cups
[19:35] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-03-23 18:37 /etc/rc1.d/K80cups -> ../init.d/cups
[19:35] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-03-23 18:37 /etc/rc2.d/S50cups -> ../init.d/cups
[19:35] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-03-23 18:37 /etc/rc3.d/S50cups -> ../init.d/cups
[19:35] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-03-23 18:37 /etc/rc4.d/S50cups -> ../init.d/cups
[19:35] <crimsun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-03-23 18:37 /etc/rc5.d/S50cups -> ../init.d/cups
[19:36] <Drakeson> crimsun: it is as you say. They are just not being executed.
[19:37] <Drakeson> I am wondering if there is a misconfigured package (I switched to lucid a few weeks after the release of 9.10, so things might have been experimental at that time)
[19:38] <crimsun> do you have an /etc/inittab or something?
[19:38] <Drakeson> no
[19:38] <crimsun> i.e., start stepping through /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[19:38] <Drakeson> hmmmm
[19:42] <Drakeson> thanks
[19:44] <Drakeson> do you have the /etc/inittab file?
[19:44] <crimsun> no.
[19:45] <penguin42> cups does seem to be running for me, I did go through a period where it was a bit touchy
[19:46] <Drakeson> btw, ssh (openssh-server) seems to have both an upstart job and a sysv one.
[19:47] <crimsun> that's usually just fine
[19:47] <crimsun> it's only a problem if the sysv one is actually linked via update-rc.d
[19:49] <Drakeson> are the sysv init scripts supposed to be ported to upstart ones eventually?
[19:49] <crimsun> maybe
[19:50]  * penguin42 really doesn't understand the interaction between upstart and sysv scripts
[19:50] <crimsun> penguin42: in what sense?
[19:50]  * Drakeson too :p
[19:51] <penguin42> crimsun: How do the old sysv scritps get run - does upstart run a script that runs the sysv ones ? What happens when they both have the same thing?
[19:51] <crimsun> penguin42: I posted the precise file above; please read it.
[19:51] <penguin42> ok
[19:52] <Drakeson> crimsun: problem is that I am not familiar with the format of upstart tasks.
[19:52] <Drakeson> so it is essentially my problem
[19:52] <crimsun> Drakeson: it's essentially self-documenting
[19:53] <penguin42> crimsun: how do the 'start on....' and 'stop on' work?
[19:54] <crimsun> penguin42: explained at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[19:54] <Drakeson> btw, runlevel (8) gives me unknown. what is the upstart equivalent for runlevel?
[19:55] <crimsun> Drakeson: runlevel.
[19:55] <crimsun> e.g.,
[19:55] <crimsun> $ runlevel
[19:55] <crimsun> N 2
[19:55] <Drakeson> here, runlevel -> "unknown"
[19:56] <Drakeson> maybe that's why they are not run
[19:56] <crimsun> "If no runlevel record can be found, runlevel outputs the word unknown and exits with an error."
[19:56] <crimsun> so, look at /var/run/utmp
[19:59] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, on that rc-sysinit why is it start on filesystem (and net...) - and why stop on runlevel?
[19:59] <penguin42> crimsun: I can see I'd want that script to get run on every runlevel change?
[20:00] <penguin42> ah no, it's only startup - so why stop on runlevel?
[20:00] <Drakeson> penguin42: it is run after filesystem is ready
[20:00]  * rr72 waves to crimsun !!
[20:00] <nizuri> i tried to install lucid-server-ppc on my powebook g4 but the installer tells me "No common CD-ROM drive was detected". the old fix was to use "modprobe ide-scsi" but that module does no longer exist. does anyone have an idea, what else i could try? installing the karmic-ppc worked just fine, are there drivers missing in lucid?
[20:02] <penguin42> Drakeson: Ah OK, and no other real interaction with other bits of upstart?
[20:02] <Drakeson> I am new to upstart. I just got that bit.
[20:02] <penguin42> ok
[20:05] <nizuri> or are there less drivers in the server-version of ubuntu?
[20:05] <syn-ack> technically... yes
[20:06] <syn-ack> nizuri: Since X doesnt get installed by default and such...
[20:06] <nizuri> yeah, i mean cd-rom drivers ^^
[20:06] <syn-ack> Should be the same since they both use the same kernel, but I could be mistaken
[20:07] <syn-ack> afaik, the kernel drivers are the same on both platforms
[20:07] <jastor> is there a way to get sudo from STOP giving ownership of files in your normal user home directory to root all the time? so you dont need to do chown -R username:username /home/username/ all the time to get rid of error messages like "error reading .nano_history: permission denied"
[20:07] <penguin42> jastor: Well the whole point of sudo is to run things as root (or some other user)
[20:08] <jastor> penguin42: yes .. but i dont see the point in it taking ownership of normal user files :P
[20:08] <guntbert> jastor: don't use sudo for everyday tasks
[20:08] <jastor> guntbert: and you seriously think i do? :)
[20:08] <penguin42> jastor: There is no such thing as a normal user file - if you're running as root it will create normal files as root whereever they are, in the same way as if you write a file somewhere else
[20:09] <penguin42> jastor: you could make your home directory and subdirectories setgid to you, but that's probably not a good idea
[20:09] <guntbert> jastor: I don't assume anything, but there is no need to use sudo when working with files in your homedir - so how could the ownership get shifted?
[20:10] <penguin42> guntbert: It's pretty easily to accidentally leave a file around as root though if you sudo
[20:10] <jastor> guntbert: its not when working in my home dir ... i could be editing files in /etc/ and still /home/username/.nano_history goes to root :P
[20:11] <guntbert> penguin42: please read the question ^^^^
[20:11] <jastor> seriously, if anything it should create /root/.nano_history :P
[20:11] <penguin42> guntbert: I did, please read the question again
[20:13] <guntbert> jastor: thats what it does usually, yes - I'm going to check though
[20:13] <jastor> but its not just .nano_history .. .xsession_errors, your ordinary users folders in /tmp/ and /var/tmp is given to root instead .. yea mighty fun that is :P
[20:16] <jastor> root has its own folders in /tmp and /var/tmp :) but seems to be a greedy bastard ;)
[20:16] <guntbert> jastor: you should start graphical apps always with gksudo and not with sudo - how do you get nano to write a .nano_history ? I tried as user and it didn't
[20:17] <jastor> guntbert: might be a kde thing .. no idea
[20:17] <jastor> -rw-------  1 root   root       52 Feb 20 20:58 .nano_history <-- in my home dir
[20:18] <jastor> and if i try to start nano as an ordinary users ;) i get taht "permission denied" error
[20:18] <jastor> user*
[20:18] <alkisg> How can I disable suspension and hibernation in a Lucid system? "can_suspend" and "can_hibernate" gconf keys are no longer there...
[20:19] <guntbert> jastor: I do believe you but as I said I couldn't reproduce that here as nano won't write a history file on my systems
[20:19] <jastor> guntbert: anyway its a standard nano config, havent changed anything yet
[20:21] <nacho_> are you already in feature freeze?
[20:21] <jastor> guntbert: is .bash_logout executed when you exit sudo? i could juryrig it with a bashscript that just chown -R jastor:jastor and thoose files/directories
[20:22] <jastor> no i havent had the time to test it since i just got the idea
[20:22] <crimsun> nacho_: yes
[20:22] <guntbert> jastor: what do you mean with "exit sudo" - did you call sudo su?
[20:22] <nacho_> crimsun, so if we release a new version of gitg it won't be added right?
[20:22] <SwedeMike> is it useful to report hw related problems at this time? H57 motherboard + i5-661 in amd64 mode seems to work so-so, i386 seems to work much better
[20:22] <jastor> guntbert: i mean .. start a terminal .. do whatever ... sudo -s   ... random stuff. .. ctrl+d back to normal user
[20:23] <tgpraveen12> nacho_: it will if it is of same release series like
[20:23] <crimsun> nacho_: incorrect. There's the FeatureFreezeException (FFe) process.
[20:23] <tgpraveen12> gnome 2.29 is the series and all releases of that series are added
[20:23] <nacho_> well it would be from 0.0.5 to 0.0.6
[20:23] <jastor> guntbert: with "exit sudo" i mean the ctrl+d part
[20:24] <tgpraveen12> nacho_: best to ask on ubuntu-motu
[20:24] <nacho_> ok
[20:24] <crimsun> nacho_: no need to ask, I just answered
[20:25] <guntbert> jastor: aahhh - now you talk - please use sudo -i instead of sudo -s (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Special%20notes%20on%20sudo%20and%20shells)
[20:25] <Takyoji> For some reason Apache in Lucid serves PHP files as just ordinary files rather than handing it off to the PHP interpreter first. Even though the PHP Apache module is installed and enabled.
[20:25] <Takyoji> Can't find any errors messages in the logs
[20:25] <jastor> guntbert: ah right :)
[20:26] <guntbert> jastor: I didn't get that because I almost never use sudo -i (or -s)
[20:28] <jastor> guntbert: well then .. another job well done :)
[20:28] <guntbert> jastor: :)
[20:29] <jastor> im sure queen alexandrina victoria will commend us watson
[20:30] <jastor> but ... to be honest ... ubiquity needs to be beefed up :P ... ok that its dumbed down for "others" .. but i really want more options ;)
[20:30] <crimsun> jastor: branch the source and have at it.
[20:31] <jastor> crimsun: its python isnt it? never liked python much :P
[20:31] <crimsun> jastor: that's hardly an excuse
[20:31] <jastor> crimsun: i know ;)
[20:31] <jastor> shouldnt be too hard to recode it
[20:32] <jastor> had to use ubiquity :P because the text/console based installer stopped all the time on 21% or so when it was trying to create users :)
[20:35] <jastor> but it might have had something to do with lvm
[20:36] <robin0800> any idea why linux can't resolve a nas name today worked fine yesterday ip of nas drive still works?
[20:38] <alkisg> Ah, got it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/432598
[20:44] <zeelot3k> hey, I think I saw 10.04 still having php 5.2.x, is there a reason the next release wouldn't have 5.3.x?
[21:15] <melodie_> hi
[21:21] <melodie_> hi again I want to try booting Lucid in Virtualbox, and it seems not to be able to boot
[21:21] <Ubuntunewb> uh oh, whats it saying?
[21:22] <Ubuntunewb> do you have physical CD or an .iso file for install?
[21:22] <Drakeson> is it possible to test upstart in a chroot ? does it require some wizardery (i.e., other than mounting /proc and /sys)
[21:23] <duffydack> zeelot3k, its still alpha... nothing has been frozen yet
[21:23] <guntbert> melodie_: you downloaded the iso? did you run an md5sum check on it?
[21:24] <zeelot3k> duffydack: so it might use 5.3?
[21:24] <duffydack> melodie_, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/testdrive-test-drive-an-ubuntu-iso-in-a-virtual-machine.html  not a bad little tool.. I know its only using qemu etc but still,.
[21:24] <duffydack> zeelot3k, it might be a newer version once feature freeze has been implemented.
[21:24] <melodie_> hi
[21:25] <zeelot3k> alright
[21:25] <zeelot3k> so I just have to hope
[21:25] <melodie_> duffydack, I think it has started at last, I just heard the music ^^
[21:25] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, you might need to use acpi=off to get it to boot -- pressing F6 in Ubuntu bootloader
[21:25] <duffydack> melodie_, I prefer to use a usb stick and try it out properly..
[21:25] <Crashbit> One question ... gallium3d is supported by libgl1-mesa-dri ?
[21:26] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, I pressed for acpi=off and noapic an nolapic too :D
[21:26] <melodie_> duffydack, I'm in Archlinux and tried to use usb-creator-gtk but it didn't work out
[21:27] <melodie_> I'm not sure why
[21:27] <duffydack> melodie_,  if you have a large usb stick, like me, then you might like http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html
[21:27] <melodie_> I'll look
[21:27] <melodie_> thanks duffydack
[21:28] <melodie_> is it normal that the live cd sees it'self as a package volume that can  be used to install packages ?
[21:28] <melodie_> (me wonder)
[21:28] <melodie_> hi milos_
[21:29] <duffydack> melodie_, installing the initial bootloader is the most work, after that its just a case of cat file.iso > /dev/sdx for each iso
[21:29] <duffydack> melodie_, yes.
[21:31] <syn-ack> duffydack: I like that link. I've been kinda wondering about that myself. I've been wanting to get both of the Ubuntu desktops, the server and both the xubuntus on Drive/
[21:32] <melodie_> I'm condemned to low graphics mode in Virtualbox :/
[21:33] <duffydack> guest additions
[21:33] <syn-ack> yep
[21:33] <Ubuntunewb> did you enable 3d support in settings?
[21:33] <Ubuntunewb> oh yeah, guest additions too
[21:33] <melodie_> I mean as long as it's the live iso
[21:33] <duffydack> altho, last time I tried... mouse auto-capture didnt work..
[21:33] <Ubuntunewb> oh
[21:33] <syn-ack> I generally don't VM myself on my dev machine since I don't have VT flags on the CPU
[21:33] <melodie_> I won't install all that additions stuff in the live
[21:34] <melodie_> duffydack, : just "cat file.iso" ? that incredible ! does that work ???
[21:34] <syn-ack> yes
[21:34] <syn-ack> cat is a wonderful tool
[21:34] <syn-ack> you need to redirect it like duffy said though
[21:34] <melodie_> syn-ack, you use it too ? my pendrive is 4 go (seen as 3.7 Go)
[21:35] <melodie_> syn-ack, sure ! >
[21:35] <duffydack> yes..  writes it all to the device, as an isofs
[21:35] <duffydack> bit like you get on some usb sticks with software on already.
[21:36] <syn-ack> I've used it yes, but not with multiple iso's like shown. I've been wanting to do something like that but have been both very lazy and busy and havent had the time to do it myself
[21:36] <syn-ack> duffydack: In your opinion on merely performance. what do you like better, vbox/vmware or qemu?
[21:36] <syn-ack> And why?
[21:37]  * penguin42 likes kvm on lucid - but it's a bit touchy
[21:37] <melodie_> I must really try this soon ! that looks just great ! \o/ !
[21:37] <duffydack> its a nice handy tool..  I now have clonezilla, ubuntu 32bit/64, lucid alpha32 and 64, fedora and dsl. with room to spare.
[21:37] <syn-ack> duffydack: I love Clonezilla
[21:38] <duffydack> There isnt much in it really.. tho I think vbox is very quick and not very resource hungry.
[21:38] <syn-ack> which would handle the lack of VT flags better, in your opinion?
[21:38] <duffydack> and the last time I used vmware, the "guest additions" never supported newer linux kernels properly so you had to "hack" em... vbox is a lot more "on the ball" in that way
[21:39] <duffydack> syn-ack, vbox.. I used it for a while on my old p4.. I have an i7 now
[21:39] <syn-ack> I have an Intel T3200 in this system... I love everything but the lack of VT
[21:39] <duffydack> syn-ack, I prefer vbox, the non-free version.. it does all I need..  seamless mode, fullscreen, shared folders
[21:40] <syn-ack> yeah, thats what I usually run as well
[21:40] <syn-ack> well on my old system, that is
[21:40] <duffydack> syn-ack, I dont notice much of a difference, you`ll only really notice when you do like compiling or some cpu hungry stuff.
[21:40] <syn-ack> THough I thought the virtual networking in VMware was better than virtualbox
[21:41] <duffydack> how so
[21:41] <syn-ack> It just didnt seem so... convoluted to me.
[21:41] <syn-ack> and you didnt need to do as much at the commandline for it
[21:42] <melodie_> figure out, I found this tool a little earlier : xorg-options-editor-gtk
[21:42] <syn-ack> haha, yeah ubuntu is introducing so much of the "Good" from Red Hat. kinda nice, really
[21:42] <melodie_> I tried it, then I thought I would want to have a xorg.conf file to edit
[21:43] <melodie_> syn-ack, that's a tool from redhat ?
[21:43] <syn-ack> yeah
[21:43] <duffydack> syn-ack, I dont use vbox on cli, so I dont know.
[21:43] <syn-ack> there its known as sysconfig-display or something.,,,
[21:43] <melodie_> syn-ack, well, once we will have docs about how to use it it will be perfect. for now I succeeded in making the xorg.conf right in a xubuntu install in vbox
[21:44] <duffydack> syn-ack, isnt there an ncurses like gui for it too?
[21:44] <syn-ack> duffydack: I thought so
[21:44] <melodie_> syn-ack, do you use redhat as well ?
[21:44] <syn-ack> melodie_: I havent used red hat since version 7.3
[21:44] <syn-ack> after that I defected
[21:44] <melodie_> how long ago so ?
[21:45] <syn-ack> 8 years or so now?
[21:45] <syn-ack> something like that
[21:45] <duffydack> 7 yrs ago I used the hat.. then suse, then ubuntu and aint looked back.
[21:45] <melodie_> oh that's a long time
[21:45] <syn-ack> melodie_: Well, I started out on Red Hat 5.2 back in '98 so yeah...
[21:45] <duffydack> Ive used fedora since, but I MUCH prefer the apt way.
[21:45] <melodie_> ok
[21:46] <syn-ack> yum is evil. I couldnt believe they brought something over from that crap known as Yellow Dawg Leenooks
[21:46] <melodie_> I mostly use Archlinux and sometimes PCLinuxOS, but for now I want to get the feeling with Ubuntu again because I must choose a distro for a friend of mine who is an end user
[21:47] <guntbert> !ot
[21:47] <syn-ack> erg, yeah sorry. forgot the channel I was in for a second there.
[21:47] <syn-ack> melodie_: join me in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:54] <melodie_> syn-ack, ok
[21:58] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/d2d2f25fe
[21:59] <DanaG> weird
[21:59] <DanaG> firefox is crashing every time it tries to bring up the download promlt.
[21:59] <DanaG> prompt.
[22:20] <DanaG> argh, that firefox migration script is dangerous.
[22:20] <DanaG> I accidentally started firefox-3.6 instead of firefox... and it said I'd never used 3.6 before.
[22:21] <DanaG> Then, I started normal firefox, and it asked me if I wanted to keep my 3.6 profile.  I said "yes"... and it started with a default profile!
[22:23] <nizuri> if i do a server install of karmic and then a "do-release-upgrade -h", do i end up with pretty much the same system, as if i would install a fresh lucid? anything to look out for?
[22:25] <Takyoji> apparently gnome-screensaver-dialog stalls at "Checking..." when a password is entered now..
[22:27] <rr72> F@H does not work, it errors out when trying to manually run it with: fah6: relocation error: /lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __rawmemchr, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[22:41] <funkyHat> Clicking on the "Ubuntu one..." menu entry in the session indicator appears to do nothing at all...
[22:43] <Takyoji> Same case for me; may just be a temporary issue
[22:57] <melodie_> who can tell me what version Lucid of today is ? alpha1 or alpha 2 or more ?
[22:58] <simba_> any way to have a program like etherape (draw's interrestin art in a window) to be the desktop background?
[22:58] <simba_> melodie_: alpha2 for one more week
[22:59] <melodie_> simba_, thank you
[23:03] <histo> melodie_: alpha2
[23:04] <melodie_> ok thanks
[23:22] <melodie_> end of the story, Lucid doesn't install in Virtualbox
[23:22] <melodie_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/525081
[23:22] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, are you using VBOX-OSE?
[23:22] <melodie_> no
[23:23] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, really?  as i have had zero issues creating Lucid VMs with Vbox???
[23:23] <melodie_> what vbox version ?
[23:23] <ZykoticK9> 3.1.4 (just updated today, 3.1.2 was working fine as well)
[23:23] <melodie_> I had zero issues installing many pclos versions in virtualbox, and even Xubuntu
[23:24] <melodie_> did you see the link I just gave ?
[23:24] <ZykoticK9> ya but it doesn't mean anything to me i'm affraid...
[23:25] <melodie_> I filled one bug report from within the host and one from within the virtual machine while trying to install
[23:26] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, are you trying to use the partitioner in the install?
[23:26] <jemark> new kernel update again
[23:26] <melodie_> I had to boot with special options to begin with, or it would not boot then I coulndn't get more than 800x600 even by creating a new xorg.conf file
[23:26] <jemark> i'm updating again
[23:26] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, it's all written in the link I just gave, and there are 2 shots as well (as links) have a look instead of asking me to repeat what I allready wrote !
[23:27] <melodie_> :[
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, that's why i ask -- looks like your partitioning with the GUI installer which is not working according to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[23:28] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, what do you partition with ?
[23:28] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, why are you partitioning a VM?
[23:29] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: Why not?
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, why not just install to a new VM?
[23:29] <melodie_> penguin42, because ubiquity has a bug
[23:29] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, so where are the alternate images ?
[23:30] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: But your VM might have separate partitions for data/home/etc
[23:30] <melodie_> penguin42, depends what you want to do with your vm
[23:30] <penguin42> melodie_: Yes, I'm agreeing with you that it's perfectly reasonable thing to do
 melodie_, why are you partitioning a VM?
[23:30] <melodie_> how do you install if you do not partition ?
[23:31] <penguin42> melodie_: Can you put English translations of those errors into your bug report?
[23:31] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, that page you just linked to says also "you can select existing partitions to use as targets for installation"
[23:32] <melodie_> but as you can see from one of the screenshots I didn't even have the opportunity to do so after partitioning in console
[23:32] <penguin42> (I find it interesting that some things on those screenshots are not translated - that feels like a bug)
[23:32] <melodie_> not translated ?
[23:33] <penguin42> melodie_: THe Applications/Places/System along the panel and the "Installation (as superuser)"
[23:33] <melodie_> penguin42, only on the window bar "as superuser" is not translated. that's most common finding one word here or there not translated
[23:34] <melodie_> penguin42, that's the live iso so the menus aren't yet translated
[23:34] <penguin42> melodie_: Ah OK
[23:34] <melodie_> I'm leaving now
[23:34] <melodie_> ++
[23:36] <penguin42> hmm, actually, the date in the clock in the panel is in French so I don't see why the menus aren't
[23:56] <maxb> A recent change to the metacity package has hijacked Alt+T for its own purposes. Where's an appropriate place to complain?
[23:58] <penguin42> maxb: What does it do?
[23:59] <penguin42> I can see a changelog comment about ctrl-alt-t to launch a terminal