[00:00] mdeslaur: charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1 [00:00] mdlueck: charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1 [00:00] mdlueck: it should be fixed already in the latest Ubuntu daily-live image [00:00] [23:59] nevermind about that, the libdrm patch is there after all [00:01] I always disable failsafe-x, because it tends to cause problems, rather than fixing anything. [00:01] some ppl should make their minds [00:01] blueyed: lines 9-10 of your pastebin are pretty revealing. [00:02] blueyed: Phonon appears to be misconfigured; amarok appears to use the ALSA 'plughw' device directly instead of using 'default' as it should. Have you ensured that you prioritized PulseAudio topmost/primary in KDE System Settings > Multimedia? Also, you should stop timidity. [00:04] crimsun: no, PA is not the first device, since that did not work in the past. Changed that. Also purged timidity (dunno where this comes from) [00:05] it doesn't help at all timidity's DM has this: "I'm happy to accept patches improving compatibility with pulseaudio. [00:05] However personally I consider pulseaudio a horrible hack, and do not intend to [00:05] spend much time on it." [00:06] oh yeah, whatever did happen to that pulseaudio device-manager integration code with kde? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:07] All the PA patches for phonon are in, but I don't think the KMix patches ever got in due to the massive string changes and such [00:07] DM? Debian Maintainer? - however, it still does not work.. prolly due to the "don't know how to handle audio/mpeg ..." thingy. Am I missing something from gstreamer? [00:08] Hmm, but looking at the kcm phonon thingy, it still looks the same as it always did. [00:08] crimsun: now we have http://pastebin.com/d29aeef78 [00:08] I see these options: [00:09] HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog); Playback/recording throuth the PulseAudio sound server; USB Audio (USB Audio); PulseAudio [00:09] er, "through" [00:09] blueyed: quite probable, although you can continue troubleshooting Miro instead of worrying whether your backend is configured correctly. [00:09] yes.. chose PA there. [00:09] even weirder is that PA is there twice. [00:10] crimsun: backend is ok / better now.. but gstreamer appears to be broken. [00:10] DanaG: server is grayed out for me.. you can run PA as a user or server. [00:11] DanaG: it isn't weird [00:11] "weird" is subjective. [00:11] it appears twice because that's what alsa-lib enumerates. It probably will make more sense after you read /usr/share/alsa/pulse--alsa.conf [00:12] pulse-alsa.conf * [00:12] description "Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server" [00:13] The other one says it's a Xine thing. [00:13] 2.6.32-14.19 0 500 http://neacm.fe.up.pt lucid/main Packages 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages [00:13] ATTENTION EVERYONE TO NEW KERNEL [00:16] you're a bit late: [00:16] linux | 2.6.32-14.20 | lucid | source [00:16] :-) [00:16] darn [00:17] BUGabundo: FYI, pt.archive.ubuntu.com is pointing at a .pt mirror now. ;) [00:20] what's .pt? [00:20] portugal [00:21] genii: yes [00:21] ah. we aren't bombing it, so i don't really know much about it. [00:21] not sure i know where it is either. [00:21] something to do with brazil, i think. [00:21] jpds: *FINALLY* [00:22] long long long time ago it used to point to Coimbra, but some how changed, [00:22] bjorkintosh: portugal is on a different continent than brazil [00:22] ? [00:22] smartass [00:22] okay then. [00:22] * BUGabundo adds +1 to /ignore [00:23] BUGabundo: I've been getting a lot of people to be $CC.(archive|releases) mirrors. It's fun === crimsun changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support/discussion | yay for nouveau; Nvidia users, avoid suspend/hibernate | IRC Guidelines: wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Milestones: wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule | Alpha 2 released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha2 [00:24] @charlie-tca: I opened a bug report about partitioning being missing from the standard CD installer, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/524733 [00:24] Ubuntu bug 524733 in ubiquity "Custom partitioning no longer possible with main ISO image" [Undecided,New] [00:24] mdlueck: that's already fixed [00:25] crimsun: Hua? charlie-tca seemed to confirm that the custom partition step was eliminated, thus I took the time to open a bug report. === tschee-K is now known as Tscheesy [00:26] mdlueck: and I'm saying it was already fixed [00:26] 19:01 < charlie-tca> charlie-tca, fixed in 2010-02-19.1 [00:26] i.e., http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100219.1/ [00:26] crimsun, in an ISO newer than todays? [00:27] which of today's are you using? :-) [00:27] mdlueck: tomorrows prob [00:27] standard x86 install, not alternate [00:27] BUGabundo: well, tomorrow's will have it as well, and it's also in the first respin of today's [00:28] i.e., zsync the desired 20100219.1 iso [00:28] rrrr??? from where? [00:29] ...I just provided the URL! [00:29] aaahh, just saw it as you responded! ;-) [00:31] crimsun: should _current_ be a better option ? [00:33] crimsun: according to #gstreamer I need the gstreamer faad plugin, but cannot find it in Ubuntu.. hints? [00:34] !search faad [00:34] Found: [00:34] thanks bot [00:35] does "gst-inspect-0.10 faad" work for anyone? [00:35] I have not used zsync yet. Looks to be a combination of wget+rsync, correct? [00:35] blueyed: does gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad not work? [00:36] mdlueck: something like that [00:36] BUGabundo: purportedly, yes, but I wanted to point to specific date. Hence that instead of 'current'. [00:36] hmph, omitting articles tonight. [00:37] ahh [00:39] How can I check what version of a package will be in lucid? [00:39] crimsun: oh my.. thought I had this installed, but somehow must have removed it. works now.. *facepalm* Thanks! [00:40] blueyed: yw [00:40] Mike_lifeguard: apt-cache policy PACAKGE [00:40] Mike_lifeguard: we aren't at the point where package versions are set in stone [00:41] are there suggestions? :D [00:41] for...? [00:41] git-core [00:41] ii git-core 1:1.7.0-1 fast, scalable, distributed revision control system [00:41] need something newer? [00:41] poifect, thanks :) [00:44] wish me luck [00:44] rebooting [01:00] back [01:00] blob and compiz [01:00] just no sound [01:00] crimsun: ideas? [01:00] sigh [01:00] seriously, please provide more detail [01:01] preferably, run alsa-info.sh [01:03] Xorg seems to be burning an inordinate amount of cpu - 30% ? And I'm just reading text. [01:04] crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aa55bb6ec120ac1c5b07ab4e54497ab1b353d9e6 [01:04] crimsun: been like that for a week [01:04] some ppl say it's a gtk bug [01:04] 1003 0.04s 0.32s 0K 0K 0K 0K -- - R 18% Xorg [01:05] BUGabundo: ah, ok. [01:05] BUGabundo: hmm, mixer elements are muted: Master, Headphone, Front, Surround, Center, LFE, Side. And IEC958 is unmuted. [01:06] BUGabundo: which version of PA is installed? [01:06] crimsun: can't unmute from the new audio indicator [01:06] its greyed out [01:06] crimsun: Installed: 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu9 [01:07] humm I just heard something [01:07] but the indicator still doesn't update [01:07] so it's a bug in the indicator and not PA [01:10] what would be the lucid equivalent to "/etc/hal/fdi/policy/mouse-wheel.fdi"? [01:13] simba_: udev ? [01:13] yes, [01:14] never edited udev, same syntax? [01:15] no idea === histo_ is now known as histo [01:52] hello everyone. I did an update from 9.04 to 9.10. The fan control disappeared because it says "pwmconfig: No sensors found!". Any suggestions. I found a web page which discusses mkdev.sh and that file already exists. It detects the driver it87 as it was working before, but pwmconfig doesn't seem to see the device as being loaded. [01:52] no idea omac, sorry [01:54] In dmesg it says: it87: Found IT8705F chip at 0x290, revision 3 [01:54] [ 557.065124] ACPI: I/O resource it87 [0x295-0x296] conflicts with ACPI region IP__ [0x295-0x296] [01:54] [ 557.065130] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver. [01:54] omac: please file a bug against kernel , so it doesn't get lost [01:59] anyone know who to get my desktop to bootup [01:59] i installed the new ati drivers released on the 17th and that is when things went wrong [02:02] Back at the 'puter finally. So to update the ISO I downloaded today, "zsync -i /path/to/iso.iso http://url.to.iso.zsync" correct? [02:03] razertek: where did you get those drivers? [02:03] from ati [02:03] from ATI sit? such thing is not oficialy supported [02:03] you should use the repo version or the PPA X team [02:03] mdlueck: something like that [02:04] BUGabundo: HOW WOULD I INSTASLL THIS [02:04] you don't need the all iso path, if the filename I the same [02:04] BUGabundo: Thanks, I will try that sort of syntax. [02:04] razertek: you start by not using capslock [02:04] BUGabundo: srry [02:04] accident [02:04] then look at launchpad and see that ATI card are broken due to X abi bump [02:05] until they release new drivers for current X version, there isn't much we can do [02:05] BUGabundo: well it broke some packages...will i have to reinstall the os all together? [02:05] no idea [02:05] haven't tracked ATI in a long time [02:06] you should NEVER go outside the repos for drivers [02:06] its just messy and not supported [02:06] BUGabundo: is their a driver package i should use that i may apt-get? [02:06] haven't tracked ATI in a long time === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac [02:08] well i guess i will reinstall lucid...what i actually did was install karmic 64 then updated via update-manger -d to lucid [02:10] won't help you much [02:10] since its broken [02:11] can anyone tell me if the sun jdk is available for lucid but i'm just too retarded to see it? [02:11] BUGabundo: how so? [02:11] Wow... really impressed with zsync!!! crc's passed, I will try the updated ISO next! [02:11] mister_roboto: droppend [02:11] mister_roboto: dropped [02:11] BUGabundo: dropped??!! why? [02:12] mdlueck: I got an HUGE file [02:12] to zsync most images [02:12] I just run that when ever I got time [02:12] BUGabundo: is lucid broken right now for everyone...i was reading something like that in the forums... [02:12] mister_roboto: we are going with base project: openjdk [02:13] razertek: /topic [02:13] o [02:13] BUGabundo: wow, that's a big mistake, imo :) openjdk is good but not 100% compatible. and jee developers need 100% [02:13] file a bug :P [02:13] BUGabundo: what about a firefox java plugin for openjdk. i'm not seeing one of those [02:14] yeah I think its not uploaded yet [02:15] BUGabundo: do you think if i do a fresh install i will be able to boot and shutdown though? [02:15] no idea [02:16] well ty for your comments [02:16] that's why we have livecd [02:16] okay so updated version 10.04 from fresh install, Wired internet was working fine before update, now its not..... shows them under connection listen but it doesnt have a option to connect? how do i get it to work [02:16] and daily images [02:17] bbl [02:20] OK, testing out the updated install CD, I still do not see partitioning questions. Am I missing something? [02:21] doesnt ask you where to install ubuntu anywhere? [02:22] seion: What screen # should I be looking at specifically? I am double checking... I see no diff having applied 20100219.1 update to my ISO [02:24] your trying to do a fresh install, right? i just ran the 10.04 64 amd install cd and it asked me 3/4 in where i wanted to install ubuntu, if you want to edit the partitions manualy then select the bottom option, that says manualy set up partions [02:25] seion: what day CD are you running? I am running the main CD from earlier today, x86. Then I applied the .1 patch. [02:26] hmm i think i downloaded it from the site about 3 days ago [02:26] no patch [02:26] then updated after install [02:26] Aaahhh, it was said that partitioning had JUST been yanked, I believe. [02:27] why did they yank it ... [02:27] "Ma ei tea..." [02:27] bug [02:27] it is supposed to be fixzed [02:28] "Ma ei tea..." is "I do not know..." in Eesti [02:28] i still can not get wired network working on 10.04 wtf pissing me off, sees the damn port and everything [02:28] I am bewildered at them even thinking of yanking it... [02:29] my wireless card works but not my hardwire.... [02:29] I am going to reboot the VM and try today's alternate CD [02:32] seion: hee hee... what chip does your NIC have anyway? [02:33] BUGabundo: I reported it, but it seems someone else reported something about fancontrol in 2008: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors/+bug/218315 I just finished adding bug comments and it should be part of the 9.10 bugs, but it's not. [02:33] Ubuntu bug 218315 in lm-sensors "setting up fancontrol is way too hard" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [02:34] realtech rtl8111/8168B pci express gigabyte ethernet [02:35] all: Alternate CD is the traditional Debian text based still, so I got to the partitioning q's now, and am familiar with that interface. [02:36] seion: sounds like a pretty kicked up NIC board. [02:36] fucking ass and sound is not working after update either [02:37] i need to go smoke ... [02:37] OK! :-) [02:37] WATCH ZE LANGUAGE [02:37] Back to my Alt install testing! [02:37] I don't gripe at small bits of swearing... but that's a bit much in one sentence. [02:39] !language | seion [02:39] (I also don't mind the three-letter-acronyms, but I find it best to avoid using them anyway.) [02:39] Better to just say "argh" or "grr" or such. [02:39] are you done whining about it lol ill watch it from now on. [02:39] seion: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [02:45] hmm, I think I figured out part of why ureadahead kept dying on me. [02:45] My latest boot chart shows it actually working, for the first time in a long while. [02:45] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20100218-1.png -- warning: big image. [02:47] what I used to get: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20100216-3.png -- warning: firefox-chokingly huge image. === funkyHat is now known as drunkyHat [02:47] now... guess what I changed between those two images. [02:48] what? [02:48] too lazy to open them [02:48] I changed my wallpaper. I think that's about it. [02:49] I'll change it back to verify that. [02:50] My pictures dir is a symlink to my Win7 user's Pictures dir. [02:50] And my wallpaper comes from under there. [02:50] Alt CD install, it was copying files, then came to a RED screen, "Select and install software - Installation step failed" [02:53] Any suggestions to that situation? Is it the same as the standard CD, that the install is busted currently? [02:55] DanaG: aaaahhhhhhhhhh [02:56] mdlueck: checked md5? [02:56] #################### 100.0% 492.8 kBps DONE [02:56] verifying download...checksum matches OK [02:56] used 645677056 local, fetched 78994187 [03:05] I told it to continue around the error. It looked like it was getting out around 75% to 85% installing software, then would bring the red screen up. So I went onward to setting up grub.... and now it is rebooting. (shrug) [03:09] hhhmmm... Alt CD really installs minimal. "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" here I come... [03:17] Suggestions how to send Ctrl-Alt-F# to a VirtualBox VM session? [03:17] HOST KEY + F# [03:17] right-ctrl by default. [03:17] my gwibber don't display nothing in main windows, in debug mode I recive this http://paste.ubuntu.com/380103/ any idea? [03:18] aaahhh, and since I have a KB with Fkeys on the left side, I use the left ctrl-alt .-) [03:18] I'm using gwibber daily ppa [03:20] @DanaG, right-ctrl just releases the KB from focusing on the VM session. I want to send Ctrl-Alt-F# to the VM session, however. === kermiac is now known as kermiac_ [03:20] I mean, you hold host key, and then press f#. [03:21] I did that, it just released the KB back to the host OS, and the green icon turned gray on the VM session indicating that KB control was back to the host OS. [03:22] Either way, host OS gets the Ctrl-Alt-F1 I am pushing [03:22] What is your host key? It should be just one key. [03:22] Says "right ctrl" at the lower right of the VM session, so I would assume that is it [03:23] yeah, then try right-ctrl + f1 [03:23] no alt. [03:24] No no, I am trying to get to a second text mode term window... thus Ctrl-Alt-F1 [03:24] That key combo I want to go to the VM, not the host OS [03:24] Host Key + F1 will SEND ctrl-alt-f1 to the VM. [03:24] Host OS keeps nabbing it [03:24] same for f2 and such. [03:24] aaahhhh [03:24] I think I understand now, will try... [03:25] Thanks DanaG, that does work! === drunkyHat is now known as funkyHat [03:44] I have an encrypted home folder and I want to move /home to a different partition... how would I do that. If I move it while I'm logged in its going to be awkward since the unencrypted files are currently mounted [03:47] anyone know what's new in lucid that would cause my .Xmodmap to break like so: http://dpaste.com/161933/ [03:47] Argh.. volume control wasn't working, and I just figured out why: [03:48] Something changed my default device in pulseaudio! [03:48] it's the "control add" line that causes it, checked the key codes via xev and they're all still the same [04:10] flash in firefox does not work. Anyone has a workaround? [04:40] teethdood, try remove flashplugin-installer and enter in site that needs flash, except youtube and try reinstall [04:53] Speaking of flashplugin-installer, does that install the "proper" 64-bit flash on amd64 or the 32 bit in what I presume is some kind of 64 bit wrapper? [05:12] I got this: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-installer_10.0.42.34ubuntu1_i386.deb [05:12] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.40 80] [05:14] LSD|Ninja: Think the wrapper is still used, until adobe releases it proper I think that will remain. [05:15] teethdood: use another server? [05:16] arand: yeah I just switched to main :) [05:24] I'm trying to work out why Thunderbird 3.0 isn't in the repositories yet. It looks like the binaries are in a "New" queue rather than "Accepted", does anyone know what this means? [05:34] Hew: where do you see this? I see the thunderbird packages uploaded and accepted into lucid [05:36] rmadison [05:36] thunderbird | 2.0.0.23+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | lucid | amd64, i386 [05:36] thunderbird | 3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | lucid | source [05:36] also on launchpad [05:37] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [05:37] yes the third one is build on lucid [05:37] nigelb, see how it's only source and not binary? [05:38] binaries are stuck in some sort of queue, waiting for approval from someone I assume [05:38] just wondering who that might be and why there is a queue, I haven't seen it before and other packages are being instantly accepted just fine [05:38] I suppose it would be built soon enough [05:38] nigelb, it's built already. The problem is it's in a queue [05:39] I can DL the binaries manually from launchpad if I wanted, but it was just a question about what this queue is [05:39] give it a few days [05:39] probably would be resolved by then [05:39] I have given it a few days, but this still doesn't answer the question [05:40] thanks for your help tho [05:40] I'll talk to someone from the mozilla team when I get a chance [05:40] thanks === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [06:24] anyone else with nuked empathy accounts? [06:26] ICQ and Yahoo! no longer show as possible selections to add an account [06:26] this gtk+ bug (pegging the cpu) is completely eating my battery [06:28] and all my accounts but IRC have disappeared [06:38] is this page http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com still used/maintained? [06:40] alex_mayorga: yes [06:47] rww: thanks, I'll keep it on my list of useful "time wasters" :) [07:02] Yesterday I made sure I had all the updates and rebooted, and now in all modes (toggling rescue mode, quiet, splash etc), I get noveau starting and then my monitor turns off with "no signal" and I can't do anything more (not even toggling caps-lock on my keyboard). Any ideas? known problem? [07:19] hey guys, ubuntu 10.04 just detected a raid system automatically that I couldn't get to work in other distros automatically - do you guys have any idea what it is doing in order to setup dmraid? [07:19] or is it using the linux kernel reaid at first? [07:19] trying to get xorg-dev, but x11proto-evie-dev and x11proto-fontcache-dev are unavailable. are these going to be phased out of newer xorg-dev packages or are they missing for other reasons? [07:27] SwedeMike: That seems to happen when vga16fb gets loaded (and claims the first framebuffer) before nouveau. [07:28] SwedeMike: I *think* that's fixed with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu1 [07:28] damn vga16fb. [07:29] yeah, load "if unclaimed"? [07:29] Fail. [07:29] Apparently vga16fb is greedy. =þ [07:29] MINE MINE MINE, ALL MINE! [07:33] any hint how I can make the machine workable again? [07:34] SwedeMike: If you've got a livecd, or another machine to SSH in, you should be able to upgrate to the newer nouveau; I *think* that works. [07:34] SwedeMike: Alternatively, you can boot a previous kernel, if you've got one available. [07:34] ah, yes, I do have three generations of kernel, so if this is a kernel issue then I can absolutely do that. [07:35] I just thought it was something that wasn't in the kernel since it gets quite far in the boot process before failing [07:35] No; it's vga16fb and nouveau fighting over the hardware. [07:35] another option I was contemplating was to put a non-nvidia gfx card in there [07:35] but booting earlier kernel is definitely the easiest way [07:37] there seems to be quite a lot of new tech in 10.04, is that common for an LTS release, I thought there would be less new stuff to try to achieve stability, but instead my general feeling is that 10.04 has been going thru more changes than any other ubuntu alpha/beta I've been trying out [07:37] if vga16fb is a module, you could just put the nouveau and any drivers it depends on in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules [07:38] going to try booting older kernel now [07:42] yes, that seems to have done the trick [07:43] even the crypto passphrase seems to have been improved [07:43] hm, no still lockup, but the screen didn't turn off [07:43] I'll rephrase: I still get lockup when I guess noveau is going to start, but this time the screen didn't turn off [07:44] Has aRTS sound server been completely removed? If I have a game giving me error about libartsc.so.0, should I just forget about it? The game is UT2004-64bit-demo (I have UT2004 32bit working fine) [07:46] SwedeMike: At what point in the boot would you expect nouveau to start? If you're using the -11 kernel, nouveau won't be starting at all (because there *isn't* a nouveau module) [07:48] oki, I tried -12, I'll try -10, I think I have that one as well [07:50] You might have had linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-12 installed. [07:52] not intentionally, but yeah, I seem to remember that name being installed at some point [07:55] booted 2.6.31-something that I had lying around from my upgrade, but now I'm running into the crypt-passphrase entry problem instead. [07:59] 2.6.28-something from 9.04 locks up after mounting / [08:00] oh well, I think I'll continue running on my 9.04 boot drive (I took an image before I went 9.10->10.04) and upgrade that in a week or so when this has settled. [08:01] I kind of long for the days when I could boot with init=/bin/sh and actually fix things easily :P [08:02] I'd like a mode where it'd bring you thru the initrd, load all the modules etc, then drop you to root shell before mounting / rw, just like init=/bin/sh used to do [08:05] SwedeMike: Such a mode does indeed exist: throw “break=mount” on the end of your grub line, and the initramfs will drop you to a shell just before trying to mount root. [08:06] RAOF: thanks, I'll try that! [08:07] Oh! If you didn't know that then the crypt-passphrase would indeed be a dealbreaker for you. [08:22] hi, i upgraded today, and now mythtv wont record or let me watch tv because it says all available inputs are busy but there are no active recordings. anyone else run in to this? [08:26] jerkface: and this is on Lucid? [08:27] yes [08:28] hrm... was about to mention that you probably needed to go to the other channel, but you're in the right place. Sadly though I dont know anything about MythTV. [08:34] is anyone having problems with the new gnome-keyring? [08:35] after the update it is being a huge cpu hog and is not allowing me to re-enter from the lock screen [08:37] thanks syn-ack, i think i figured it out. since i updated the kernel, i need to recompile the cx18 driver and reinstall the firmware. [08:38] hah, well at least that was simple enough [09:13] hello [09:14] im experincing bad xorg cpu eating with nvidia 173.xx there is a workaround ? [09:17] bug 524811 Workaround ideas? [09:17] Launchpad bug 524811 in linux-meta "Lucid (10.04) daily 20100220 linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic but it is not installable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524811 [09:18] do i need to install them ? [09:21] zniavre: Q from before I popped in? And as far as I can tell that's part of the default selection on the current daily CDs [09:22] MJEvans: Wait until linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic is available? [09:22] but 2.6.32-14 is not available yet no ? [09:23] MJEvans: That's everyone not quite being in sync on nouveau reqirements. [09:23] yay, I fixed my update-manager! [09:24] and I only had to blow away python, python2.6, python2.6-minimal, python-central and python-pkg-resources! [09:24] http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9120/capturevj.png >it's the first time i can see that [09:32] what's with yahoo being set to the default search engine? [09:33] cwillu_at_work: that was annouced a month ago or so [09:33] missed that [09:33] got a link? [09:33] yes. I googled it. [09:33] you google for ubuntu yahoo search [09:34] voila [09:36] smells like canonical accepted a bribe [09:36] effectively [09:36] I think I'll set it back to google... I haven't used yahoo search in forever; at least it's not Bing though. [09:36] cwillu_at_work: well, it's not as if Firefox didn't also receive funding from google (and has kept their default search as google); I just happen to /like/ that default. [09:37] MJEvans, and they also happened to use that as the default before [09:37] because it's, you know, a sane default :p [09:37] Indeed... Bing results still... well I guess if you're searching for some of the stuff that they're good at [09:37] Whatever that is [09:39] Here's a pointlessly hopeless question to ask; why aren't the package dependencies auto-checked on these daily builds and if they fail reject the build until it's fixed (trying again every hour or two) [09:40] because it's the package that's broken that needs to be fixed [09:40] canonical received money from google before, now yahoo offered more money. I don't see the problem. [09:41] SwedeMike, the previous search default was simple the right choice, that money changed hands doesn't change that. Now it's no longer the right choice, and the only reason for that would seem to be the money [09:41] or did you think that the choice of google in the first place was due to payment? [09:42] cwillu_at_work: I'd imagine it's been money all the way. If money wasn't important then they wouldn't have had any default search, it'd just be a blank page [09:42] SwedeMike, you really believe that? [09:42] seriously? [09:44] I could see a "please choose a homepage now" window on first launch, which still wouldn't be a bad alternative [09:44] I don't see the problem you seem to be seeing with this. I've experienced much worse. [09:44] * cwillu_at_work pokes SwedeMike with a pin [09:44] I don't see the problem with poking you with a pin. You've experienced much worse [09:45] troll. [09:45] eh? [09:45] how is that not an exact analogy? [09:45] sorry, I don't feed trolls. [09:45] it's one more thing I have to do on every new installation [09:46] hell, I'm offering better alternatives [09:47] we were discussing default search or not, and now you all of a sudden jumped on "blank page" and offered an alternative to that. Yes, it's very likely that they'd offer a list, but that was not what we were discussing. You're a troll. [09:47] * cwillu_at_work is nearly speechless [09:48] You said it's probably money all along [09:48] when you said "you do really believe that", I took for granted that you meant the part we were discussing, not a subpart. [09:48] yes, I still believe that. [09:48] the reason there is not a blank page or an equal choice is due to money. [09:49] and I disagree with that; browser's had defaults long before there was any money to be made on them [09:50] I guess this just seems like the beginning of a decline into the distro being used as a vehicle to direct eyeballs, and I have some issues with that [09:50] I started using the Internet in 1992-93, my first we browser was Netscape 0.9b, I disagree with you. I guess we can agree to disagree. [09:52] either it's been netscape or microsoft or someone else offering default homepage or search to direct eyeballs, or it's been mozilla/firefox or alike. They all want to make money by offering defaults to people who pay. [09:52] it's been like this since the invention of the browser. [09:53] so either ubuntu was offering firefox defaults and the money went to firefox, or they offer their own defaults and the money goes to ubuntu [09:53] canonical paid firefox? [09:54] I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from my text. Please enlighten me. [09:54] "so either ubuntu was offering firefox defaults and the money went to firefox" [09:54]