[00:54] <crimsun> as a reminder (also posted on Ubuntu Fridge), every Saturday 2100-2300 UTC the DistrictOfColumbia LoCo has a bug jam
[00:54] <crimsun> be here, or be square!
[02:05] <kermiac_> can someone please set both bug tasks for bug 478653 back to triaged? I have re-assigned thecorrect people to the bug but I don't have privs to set the tasks back to triaged
[02:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478653 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "BadTransition: SYS_OAUTH_ERROR (affects: 124) (dups: 62)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478653
[02:06] <BUGabundo> 62 dupes?!
[02:06] <BUGabundo> autch
[02:07] <kermiac_> yeah, it's an issue that is corrently being worked on
[02:07] <kermiac_> currently, even :)
[02:08] <kermiac> duane_design mentioned it earlier, but nothing was changed. I unassigned the person who was playing with the bug & reassigned the correct people but I can't change the status back to triaged
[02:11]  * kermiac notices there have only been 2 +1's for my application to bug control :(
[02:16]  * hggdh points out to kermiac that two +1 are enough
[02:16] <hggdh> :-)
[02:17] <kermiac> ty hggdh, I didn't know how many were required
[02:17] <kermiac> :)
[02:17] <kermiac> btw, belated congrats on your new job hggdh :) :)
[02:17] <hggdh> heh. Now you do... all you need now is wait for Brian to accept & add you in
[02:18] <hggdh> kermiac: thanks
[02:18] <kermiac> was just reading through the backscroll
[02:18] <kermiac> excellent :)
[02:19] <kermiac> so I guess I should remove myself from the mentorship page as I don't really think I'm going to need a mentor now. I added myself to that list when I though it was a required part of the process to join BC
[02:23] <hggdh> chrisccoulson: BTW, congrats ;-)
[02:25] <hggdh> kermiac: yes indeed
[02:35] <kermiac> hggdh: if you have a min, can you please set the bug tasks back to triaged for bug 478653. a new user incorrectly assigned themselves & set the tasks to fix committed
[02:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478653 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "BadTransition: SYS_OAUTH_ERROR (affects: 124) (dups: 62)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478653
[02:40] <hggdh> kermiac: changed for the Ubuntu task. The other one I cannot (not in the Ubuntu universe)
[02:40] <kermiac> ok, ty hggdh :)
[02:41] <hggdh> and yes, I know. I asked the LP folks to act on this idot
[02:41] <hggdh> idiot
[02:41] <kermiac> It's strange & perhaps even wrong that a "normal" user is able to change the status of these tasks
[02:42] <kermiac> and no people who know what they are doing can not revert the changes
[02:42] <kermiac> s/no/now
[03:05] <jpds> kermiac: Anyone can change status/assignee.
[03:05] <jpds> It's Importance that's protected.
[03:07] <kermiac> jpds: yes, I know that. That's my point. I'm not sure exactly how the internals of LP work, but I believe it would be good to make it so that the status is protected after the bug reaches  a "triaged" state. Perhaps only allow Bugcontrol members & devs to change the status
[03:07] <kermiac> but I don't know how practical that is or how hard it would be to implement
[03:09] <kermiac> as it stands, a "normal" LP user can change the status of an upstream task but we can't change it back to triaged. Example bug 478653
[03:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478653 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "BadTransition: SYS_OAUTH_ERROR (affects: 124) (dups: 62)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478653
[03:10] <nhandler> kermiac: The issue with that is that a status of Triaged tends to mean the bug has enough info for a dev to work on it. If a user wanted to work on that bug (who wasn't in bugcontrol), they would be unable to update the status to show this. The status needs to be adjustable by everyone
[03:11] <kermiac> nhandler: yes, that is a good point
[03:11] <kermiac> doesn't seem like there would be an easy way around this issue
[03:17] <hggdh> no, there is no easy way. We like to be open, and this carries a price -- every so often we get a bit of spam
[03:17] <hggdh> but, to tell the truth, it is very *very* low all in all. So we live with it
[03:18] <hggdh> (in other words -- the cost of 'fixing' this is higher than the cost of living with this)
[03:19] <kermiac> yes hggdh, I understand what you mean. Looking at it in that light, I tend to agree with you.
[03:20] <arand> How would I remove the upstream Poppler link  from Bug #39321 ? (see my last comment on the bug)
[03:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 39321 in poppler (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Some problems with marking and copying text (affects: 1) (dups: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39321
[03:20] <kermiac_> time for lunch. BBL
[03:24] <hggdh> arand: you cannot. You can set it invalid, though
[03:24] <arand> Not possible to change project to NULL or something like that?
[03:33] <hggdh> arand: no
[03:33] <hggdh> no big deal
[03:33] <arand> Ok, set to invalid, wasn't sure how-to at first (unlinking upstream..)
[03:34] <arand> I was thinking of editing the description to only menttion the hide-on-select issue, since the other are in another bug..
[04:04] <hggdh> one thing you should make sure of doing is explaining why you are making the changes -- this will help whoever gets to look at the bug to understand what happened
[04:05] <hggdh> and this is it. I am going to bed.
[04:56] <nigelb> hggdh: sorry about earlier today.  I was dead tired and slept off :(
[06:26] <kklimonda> have we ever disributed libc-2.10.2.so for karmic?
[06:26] <ddecator> what driver is used for intel graphics cards?
[06:27] <crimsun> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[06:27] <ddecator> crimsun, ty
[06:28] <crimsun> kklimonda: no.
[06:28] <crimsun> kklimonda: you might notice that Debian ships eglibc 2.10.2, however
[06:29] <kklimonda> crimsun: yeah, I've just noticed :/
[06:29] <nigelb> can somone help test an apport hook?
[06:30] <nigelb> I think its ready (it works fine for me:) )
[06:30] <lifeless> ship it
[06:31] <nigelb> sure?
[06:31] <nigelb> okay :)
[06:31] <lifeless> well, what do you expect to learn from someone else trying it?
[06:31] <lifeless> and whats the downside if you don't learn that before you upload?
[06:31] <nigelb> good point ;)
[06:32] <lifeless> for an apport helper, something that only kicks in after trouble happens, I think theres a low risk in JDI
[06:33] <nigelb> this not that one
[06:33] <nigelb> this is for people who wish to report an error with the package.. to run ubuntu-bug rhythmbox
[06:34] <nigelb> it makes sure that audio problems and gstreamer problems go to the right place
[06:35] <crimsun> hmm? what's your added logic to separate them?
[06:36] <crimsun> (maybe I'm misinterpreting your statement?)
[06:36] <nigelb> crimsun: see /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_totem.py
[06:36] <kklimonda> great, I just got a Xorg.0.log in .odt format..
[06:36] <nigelb> I'm using that logic with a little bit extra to add the gconf data and debug info if required
[06:36] <nigelb> kklimonda: whoa
[06:40] <nigelb> crimsun: is that good enough?
[06:42] <crimsun> nigelb: I would just upload the changes for further testing
[06:42] <nigelb> crimsun: doing that now.
[06:44] <lifeless> crimsun: does video-intel do poulsboro ?
[06:48] <ddecator> woooow, so i was working on a problem with SANE not working properly with Epson scanners...this goes way back, and I'm finding a lot of reports about the same thing
[06:49] <nigelb> we have a new spammer on ubuntu one bugs (if someone is still not yet aware)
[06:49] <ddecator> great
[06:49] <crimsun> lifeless: I don't know offhand. My inclination is that it would require extra bits beyond just -intel, but tjaalton/bryceh/tseliot would probably know.
[06:50] <lifeless> crimsun: just because, the question kklimonda asked is more complex these days ;)
[06:50] <lifeless> nigelb: ask in #launchpad-dev
[06:50] <lifeless> nigelb: may be someone with the CHR bits around that can help
[06:51] <nigelb> lifeless: gonna open a question on launchpad soon enough
[06:52] <lifeless> nigelb: seriously, ask in #launcpad-dev
[06:52] <nigelb> lifeless: okay :)
[07:05] <nigelb> just a doubt, I have to open a bug and attach a debdiff for this... right?
[07:06] <nigelb> I mean, I got no upload rights and the only thing I can do to get the apport hook is to attach a debdiff and wait for sponsor...
[07:06] <lifeless> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/packagename
[07:06] <lifeless> commit
[07:07] <lifeless> bzr push lp:~nigelb/ubuntu/lucid/packagename/apport-hook
[07:07] <lifeless> bzr lp-open
[07:07] <lifeless> click 'submit merge'
[07:07] <nigelb> ah, okay :)
[07:07] <nigelb> lifeless: all main packages are now in bzr?
[07:08] <lifeless> 96% or so of everything
[07:08] <nigelb> how convinient
[07:08] <lifeless> we're working on the remainder
[07:08] <nigelb> I liked bzr best so far
[07:09] <lifeless> cool
[07:09] <nigelb> its faster to work with (and easier to sponsor too?)
[07:10] <lifeless> its different, we're still figuring out the best workflow
[07:11] <nigelb> ah
[07:11] <lifeless> more data to copy around
[07:11] <lifeless> but more powerful toolchain
[07:11] <lifeless> so its a mix :)
[07:12] <nigelb> hehe
[07:13] <ddecator> anyone here ever file bugs upstream to sane?
[07:14] <ddecator> yah i kinda had that feeling...
[08:37] <nigelb> lifeless: you around?
[08:47] <lifeless> nigelb: yes
[08:50] <nigelb> does "cp debian/rhythmbox.apport debian/rhythmbox/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py"  make sure that the apport hook gets installed?
[08:50] <nigelb> lifeless: ^^
[08:50] <nigelb> very little documentation for this
[08:51] <lifeless> nigelb: man dh_install
[08:51] <nigelb> thank you
[08:51] <lifeless> for most packages you just need to edit debian/<binaryname>.install
[08:51] <lifeless> #ubuntu-motu is a good place to get help with packaging
[08:52] <nigelb> its a main package
[08:52] <nigelb> I asked in ubuntu-devel
[08:52] <nigelb> didn't really get a reply
[08:52] <lifeless> motu skills can still help you
[08:53] <lifeless> #ubuntu-motu does a lot of mentoring
[08:54] <nigelb> yes, I'm there. lemme ask again there
[08:54] <lifeless> well I've answerd that question
[08:54] <lifeless> just for others is all
[08:54] <nigelb> I checked the evince hook
[08:54] <nigelb> and it seems that this how its done for evince
[08:55] <nigelb> inside the rules file
[08:55] <lifeless> thats not a good reason to do it the ugly way
[08:56] <lifeless> in modern packages its a lot harder to do it via rules;)
[08:56] <nigelb> oh!
[08:56] <nigelb> my ignorance.  I'll correct it
[08:59] <lifeless> oh; hmm I'm misleading you a little I think
[09:00] <lifeless> no, actually
[09:00] <lifeless> debian/binarypackagename.install
[09:00] <lifeless> containing
[09:00] <lifeless> source_rhythmbox.py usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py
[09:01] <lifeless> i think thats what you'll need
[09:01] <lifeless> or nearly
[09:01] <lifeless> you can use 'debc' after you build the package to see where it gets installed
[10:36] <om26er> if a bug is not reported in english should it be marked incomplete with a comment to translate?
[10:36] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/524833
[10:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524833 in software-center (Ubuntu) "blocco analiza pacchetto (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[10:37] <BUGabundo> MORNINGGGGGGG     cocoroco
[10:38] <thekorn> om26er: yes, and don't hestiate to close this bugreport if you don't  get a translation after a resonable time
[10:38] <thekorn> BUGabundo: good morning
[10:39] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[10:39] <BUGabundo> how is it hanging ?
[10:43] <thekorn> BUGabundo: very good, lot's of winter sports in tv these days ;)
[10:44] <thekorn> BUGabundo: you?
[10:45] <BUGabundo> fine. up early on a Saturday, when I went to bed at 3am
[10:45] <BUGabundo> had to take the car to regular inspection. passed with flying colors
[10:46] <thekorn> och
[11:58] <shadeslayer> hi anyone around?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> can someone please set bug 524748 as a wishlist?
[11:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524748 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "Provide 'Ubuntu-Software-Centre' like UI (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524748
[11:59] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[12:00] <vish> shadeslayer: hei , you use kubuntu right?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> vish: yes
[12:00] <shadeslayer> vish: something i can help with?
[12:00] <vish> shadeslayer: could you see what this bug is about > Bug 411760
[12:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 411760 in plasmoid-quickaccess (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Quick Access uses the "up one directory" icon instead of "Home" icon (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411760
[12:01] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[12:01] <vish> ty
[12:02] <vish> seems to be a simple bug which has apparently not gotten any attention
[12:02] <shadeslayer> vish: yeah i can confirm this bug too :)
[12:03] <vish> shadeslayer: huh , so instead of using the home icon the up arrow is used :s weird ??
[12:03] <shadeslayer> yeah..
[12:03] <shadeslayer> i think this is more of a upstream bug
[12:03] <shadeslayer> since they are the ones who provide this package
[12:04] <vish> shadeslayer: can you confirm the bug , I'll ask scott kiterman to have a look at it
[12:04] <shadeslayer> vish: confirm as in add a commen?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> *comment?
[12:04] <vish> shadeslayer: confirm from the drop down and add a comment would be nice :)
[12:05] <shadeslayer> vish: ok
[12:05] <vish> ty
[12:07] <shadeslayer> vish: imo we should report it here too : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QuickAccess+(maintenance+fork)?content=101968
[12:07] <shadeslayer> ill put it in the comments
[14:09] <damascene> bug 516417
[14:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516417 in ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) "ecryptfs-utils failed to upgrade (prerm ERROR: Cannot remove ecryptfs-utils, as it appears to be in use) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516417
[14:10] <damascene> how to complete it?
[14:13] <damascene> and this please bug 262679
[14:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 262679 in eeepc-acpi-scripts (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "eeepc-acpi-scripts is not installable (affects: 21)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262679
[14:59] <nigelb> issyl0: when you comment on a bug, you are encouraged to use the standard responses (if you are comment as a triager)
[14:59] <nigelb> s/comment/commenting
[14:59] <issyl0> nigelb: the two I commented on weren't me commenting as a triager, though!
[14:59] <issyl0> But OK, thanks.
[15:00] <issyl0> I'll try to do some more today; you'll notice I haven't joined the Five-A-Day team yet :)
[15:00] <nigelb> I know, thats why added that part
[15:00] <issyl0> Ah, OK :)
[15:00] <issyl0> Thanks!
[15:00] <nigelb> no problem :)
[15:09] <nigelb> issyl0: that last.fm is working fine now?
[15:09] <issyl0> Now, yeah.
[15:10] <issyl0> It used to not let me log in though, few days/weeks ago
[15:10] <issyl0> I used to have to listen to music from last.fm :O
[15:10] <nigelb> I
[15:10] <issyl0> You?
[15:10] <nigelb> I'm thinking it was some issue at their end then
[15:10] <issyl0> Ah right
[15:10] <nigelb> (I dont have a last.fm account)
[15:59] <bcurtiswx> is there a way to find out how many people are using my PPA?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> yeah i would like that too :)
[16:11] <nekohayo> anyone knows where ogg theora's bug tracker lives?
[16:13] <jcastro> https://trac.xiph.org/ perhaps?
[16:13] <nekohayo> thanks :)
[16:15] <nekohayo> uugh. trac. /me shivers
[16:15] <nigelb> lol
[16:16] <nekohayo> and no traces of an existing ticket about "can we have a multithreaded theora encoder?"
[16:38] <nigelb> hggdh: welcome back
[16:38] <hggdh> nigelb: thank you ;-)
[16:38] <nigelb> Sorry I slept off yday
[16:39] <nigelb> I was dead tired.  it had been 27 hours awake by then
[16:39] <nigelb> hggdh: here's the final pastebin :) http://pastebin.com/d10b91f1e
[16:39] <nigelb> it works.  I'm packaging now.
[16:40] <hggdh> yes, I had forgotten to add the line feed at the newReport += line...
[16:41] <nigelb> hehe, when it worked, I realized that
[16:41] <hggdh> :-)
[16:41] <hggdh> nigelb: for version 2 of the hook: add comments, and try to reformat the code as per python standards
[16:42] <nigelb> is there a link to the standards, so that I can give a correctly versioned one?
[16:42] <nigelb> correctly coded one
[16:43] <hggdh> yes, hold on
[16:43] <nigelb> I'm a perfectionist
[16:49] <vish> hmm , seeing so many deactivated accounts subscribed to a bug makes me squirm :/
[16:50] <vish> subscribed to almost all ubuntu bugs rather
[16:53] <hggdh> nigelb: see http://docs.python.org/ , I have to go now
[16:53] <kklimonda> nigelb: where does question.wav come from?
[16:53] <_Narc_> Hello all. Does a USB/Kernel guru here know more about a bug in the ehci_hcd module (which is not a module anymore in Karmic I think) that's messing with USB 2.0 keys/mass storage devices ? I want to understand this and since I'm learning to triage bugs I figured this would be the place to ask. Thanks
[16:53] <nigelb> hggdh: will do :)
[16:53] <nigelb> kklimonda: question.wav?
[16:54] <kklimonda> nigelb: you play it in your apport hook
[16:54] <nigelb> kklimonda: ah, the same file played with system testing
[16:54] <kklimonda> nigelb: for python code standards see http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
[16:54] <vish> hggdh: where to open a question regarding the deactivated accounts still being subscribed to bugs?
[16:55] <kklimonda> vish: is that a problem?
[16:55]  * vish seems 13-15 such accounts for each bug
[16:55] <hggdh> vish, you cannot unsubscribe them?
[16:55] <vish> :(
[16:55] <kklimonda> nigelb: I don't have it
[16:55] <nigelb> huh?
[16:55] <hggdh> well, being subscribed is no problem
[16:55] <vish> ex: Bug #446657  in the also subscribed there are 13 deactivated accounts :(
[16:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446657 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Bluetooth's on/off status doesn't update from the SetProperty D-Bus method that bluetoothd sends (affects: 3)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446657
[16:55] <kklimonda> nigelb: I have no question.wav at all in my lucid install.. I wonder if I've managed to delete some important package
[16:56] <nigelb> kklimonda: looks like I didn't test that part
[16:56] <kklimonda> nigelb: it's from gnome-audio which isn't part of base install
[16:56] <kklimonda> s/base/desktop/
[16:57] <nigelb> kklimonda: I built on top of totem hook, so I assumed it would be there.  Looks like I have to fix that soon
[16:57] <chrisccoulson_> vish - sometimes if you open a question on answers.launchpad.net, a LP admin will unsubscribe them. I've done this before with some inactive accounts subscribed to ubuntu-bugs
[16:57] <chrisccoulson_> people might be subscribing to farm e-mail addresses ;)
[16:57] <vish> \o/ /me tries
[16:58] <hggdh> chrisccoulson_: BTW, congrats
[16:58] <nigelb> kklimonda: would it be sane to have a test file in the package?
[16:58] <nigelb> hggdh: what did chrisccoulson do? ;)
[16:58] <hggdh> he is good
[16:58] <hggdh> this is enough ;-)
[16:59]  * nigelb is confused
[16:59] <hggdh> :-)
[16:59] <hggdh> now I really have to go
[17:00] <nigelb> kklimonda: I guess I have to use the audio file which system testing uses
[17:00] <kklimonda> nigelb: that would be the best option
[17:01] <kklimonda> hggdh: now you made me wonder what has chrisccoulson done and I'll spend next 10 minutes digging though mailing lists and other things ;)
[17:03] <nigelb> kklimonda: okay.  this is totally insane.  The audio testing application, records on the spot and plays back
[17:03] <hggdh> so I will make it even more interesting (and confusing): congrats nigelb
[17:03] <hggdh> heh
[17:03] <kklimonda> hggdh: damn you - you are too cheerful these days :P
[17:04] <nigelb> now its totally confusing
[17:05] <chrisccoulson_> hggdh - thanks :)
[17:05] <bcurtiswx> what's going on?
[17:05] <nigelb> kklimonda: yeah, after joining cannonical
[17:05] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: what was that for?
[17:06] <nigelb> hggdh: you better explain.  I have absolutely no clue what's happening
[17:06] <chrisccoulson_> i *think* i know what hggdh is talking about ;)
[17:06] <nigelb> namely?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> well...
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> ;)
[17:07] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson_: were all anxiously awaiting your public announcement
[17:07] <bcurtiswx> :P
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[17:07] <chrisccoulson_> i'll tell you in a week or so ;)
[17:07]  * nigelb cheers chrisccoulson's press conference
[17:07] <nigelb> heck, no fair
[17:08] <chrisccoulson_> heh
[17:09]  * nigelb begs chrisccoulson_ to explain
[17:10] <om26er> how can I know if the crash reports are duplicate?
[17:10] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/519444
[17:10] <chrisccoulson_> om26er, let the retracer handle those
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519444 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "gwibber-service crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux() (affects: 9) (dups: 1)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[17:10] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/524736
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524736 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gwibber crashed with RuntimeError in find_port__linux() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <om26er> ok
[17:13]  * bcurtiswx tapes chrisccoulson_ to the wall until he tells us
[17:13] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[17:13]  * nigelb helps bcurtiswx, cuts the tape out
[17:14] <nigelb> chrisccoulson_: please?
[17:14] <kklimonda> lol :D
[17:15] <bcurtiswx> don't make me start water torture
[17:15]  * chrisccoulson_ runs
[17:15] <chrisccoulson_> ;)
[17:15] <kklimonda> hggdh: you have opened a can of nasty worms :P
[17:15] <bcurtiswx> you're taped to a wall dude
[17:17] <_Narc_> Hello all. Can someone change the importance of  Bug #177235 and tell me if it's right to affect it to "linux"? I've been fighting with it for a day, it's weird it's still an issue in Karmic. Should I post a new one ? I'm still learning, sorry about all the questions and thanks for your help.
[17:17]  * vish *thinks* he knows what this is about .. congrats chrisccoulson_   :D
[17:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 177235 in ubuntu "slow USB 2.0 drive: it's mounted as USB 1.0, not USB 2.0! (affects: 11) (dups: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177235
[17:18]  * nigelb plans to fly down to chennai tonight to strangle the truth out of vish 
[17:23] <nigelb> hggdh, chrisccoulson_ : you really shouldn't do this.  leaving things hanging
[17:24] <vish> nigelb: i guess they are thinking that _we_ shouldnt be doing this[poking around] ;p  but we can blame hggdh for creating the curiosity .. not chrisccoulson_
[17:25] <nigelb> lol, probably
[17:25] <nigelb> but I dunno
[18:18] <dako3256> can someone tell me how to handle a bug like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/466536
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 466536 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "The password security in Gwibber is flawed (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[18:22] <vish> dako3256:  dup of the main bug
[18:23] <vish> dako3256: just dup it to the main bug and open the Gwibber[Ubuntu] task for the main bug
[18:24] <vish> dako3256: dup the other 421728 also to  > 400120
[18:35] <vish> dako3256: oops only  466536 is dup of 421728
[18:36]  * vish should get some ZZzzz :/
[18:37] <kklimonda> does gwibber steal save passwords in gconf?
[18:37] <dako3256> msg vish i didnt do the other one yet
[18:38] <kklimonda> it doesn't seem to save them in gnome-keyring :/
[18:39] <kklimonda> hmm, it keeps account settings in desktop couch in lucid
[18:39] <kklimonda> no idea though how safe is it..
[18:39] <kklimonda> and it doesn't make a freakin' sense not to use gnome keyring only because we don't have time to integrate it with U1..
[18:40] <kklimonda> argh, decisions like this make ubuntu look like it is being developed by people who doesn't have a big picture :/
[18:40] <kklimonda> ok, enough of this offtopic
[18:40] <dako3256> MSG <vish> should I mark it as triaged?
[18:42] <dako3256> NAMES
[18:43] <kklimonda> dako3256: don't forget to use / before commands
[18:44]  * vish returns to pings
[18:44] <vish> dako3256: let me check again...  we can also mark them security vulnerabilities
[18:47] <vish>  this is a bad security flaw ! i can see my passwords in the gconf :/
[18:49] <vish> dako3256: are you bugcontrol? if so you can set it to triaged
[18:49] <kklimonda> vish: but the version that is in lucid saves all account information in the desktop couch
[18:49] <vish> kklimonda: i'm on lucid
[18:49] <vish> and i can see the passwords
[18:50] <kklimonda> vish: and you are probably using daily ppa or used gwibber or ppa in the past
[18:50] <vish> kklimonda: ah.. right i used the gwibber ppa in the past
[18:50] <kklimonda> vish: so yes - there is a security issue but "only" in the gwibber upstream project
[18:51] <kklimonda> vish: if there is any security issue in lucid depends on how are passwords stored in the desktop couch
[18:51] <dako3256> mag vish ok, ill mark it
[18:51] <kklimonda> and I have no idea about it :)
[18:51] <vish> dako3256: read what kklimonda jjust mentioned
[18:54] <dako3256> msg vish I am on bugsquad cannot mark as triaged
[18:55]  * vish gets some sleep .. nite all
[18:55] <kklimonda> good night vish :)
[19:26] <dako3256> join #ubuntu-testing
[19:43] <rye> hi, it looks like yesterdays Bongcaivang returned as https://launchpad.net/~tutinhkhuc05
[19:44] <rye> reassigning bugs to himself, changing bug statuses and unlinking branches
[20:15] <SwedeMike> is it meaningful to report platform problems for 10.04 right now? I have a core i5-661 with the new built in intel graphics that's acting up in amd64 mode (generally amd64 on this seems not stable, i386 seems fine) ?
[20:21] <kermiac> rye: yes, i noticed that too
[20:21] <rye> kermiac, grabbed the lp sources to see whether it is possible to make +activity available via lp api to recover from such things
[20:21] <kermiac> and this really doesn't look good
[20:22] <kermiac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~failtoban
[20:22] <kermiac> he's been going crazy - this could be the same guy as a week ago
[20:22] <kermiac> with the nospammail.net email address
[20:24] <kermiac> rye: bug 520413 we were told this would be very difficult :(
[20:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520413 in malone "All changes by user must be revertable (affects: 2)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520413
[20:25] <kklimonda> kermiac: oh? damn :/
[20:26] <thekorn> rye: I looked at exporting bug activity via the api last week, it is not easy, but I think it is doable
[20:26] <thekorn> i even have started a branch somewhere
[20:26] <bcurtiswx> anyone using bughugger on karmic?
[20:26] <kermiac> it would be good if someone with more knowledge than me could get something workable as we are getting a lot more spammers lately :(
[20:26] <thekorn> but it needs mmore time and discussion, as their quality standarts are very high
[20:27] <rye> thekorn, i think it is doable as well. If that is not doable then we might end up screenscraping or having a special mailbot collecting the stuff but we are just not prepared for spammers
[20:29] <thekorn> hmm, I somehow don't have access to the maschine where this branch is located, so I cannot push it somewhere
[20:31]  * kermiac starts cleaning up again...
[20:36] <bcurtiswx> kermiac: spammers where?
[20:36] <kermiac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~failtoban
[20:37] <kermiac> nospammail address
[20:37] <rye> don't see how https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyinotify/+bug/408600/+activity is irreversible (starting from change @ 2010-02-19 18:09:26)
[20:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 408600 in pyinotify (Fedora) (and 2 other projects) "pyinotify's libc version check fails on Karmic (affects: 36) (dups: 24)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[20:37] <kermiac> http://search.gmane.org/?query=&author=Fail2Ban&group=gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.general&sort=date&DEFAULTOP=and
[20:37] <bcurtiswx> HAHAHAHAHA
[20:37] <bcurtiswx> well you can tell something becomes very popular when people start intentionally abusing it
[20:38] <kermiac> very true, but we need to have *something* in place to be able to deal with the spammers as it can take hours to fix things that were changed
[20:41] <rye> i wonder whether the scripts are being written to post ads to launchpad to all bug reports. I guess this may be an attack vector as well
[20:41] <rye> since there is no moderation for bug resports
[20:45] <jibel> kermiac, I pasted the list of bugs he touched at http://pastebin.com/d5cb1185c
[20:45] <jibel> He started his activity today.
[20:46] <kermiac> I've noticed the account I use for launchpad has started getting hit by a LOT of spam lately too. I think they might be farming email addresses on LP :(
[20:48] <thekorn> jibel: just OOC: how did you get this list?
[20:49] <bcurtiswx> kermiac: i completely agree
[20:50] <jibel> thekorn, from the ubuntu-bugs maillist.
[20:51] <kermiac> question filed in LP
[20:51] <kermiac> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/101807
[20:52]  * kermiac heads over to #launchpad to see if anyone's around
[20:53] <thekorn> jibel: aha ok, I somehow hopped someone has contact to a launchpad guy with direct DB access who is able to give us such list
[20:54] <jibel> thekorn, no contact with a lp guy sadly :(
[20:55] <rye> jibel, what do you want to do?
[20:55] <jibel> thekorn, but you can retrace nearly all bug activity from the mailing list.
[20:56] <thekorn> maybe we should try to establish such path, but that's something for next week
[20:56] <jibel> rye, with the list ?
[20:56]  * bcurtiswx plays jeopardy theme song on repeat for kermiac
[20:56] <thekorn> jibel: but if I were a spammer I would make exactly this changes which do not send bugmails
[20:57]  * kermiac laughs
[20:57] <kermiac> thanks bcurtiswx
[20:57] <bcurtiswx> it may be a while...
[20:57] <kermiac> does anyone know how to "un-nominate" for a release?
[20:57] <kermiac> i.e. remove " Nominated  for Karmic  by Fail2Ban (failtoban: 328)  "
[20:57] <jibel> kermiac, you can't
[20:57] <thekorn> kermiac: nothing you can do
[20:58] <kermiac> ok, thanks
[20:58] <jibel> thekorn, If I were a spammer I would use the lp api because I'm too lazy to do it manually
[20:59] <thekorn> jibel: sure
[21:00] <rye> jibel, this will be the next wave, I suppose
[21:01] <rye> the API does not let us to read the activity info to recover the bugs, so when that starts, we are unarmed
[21:02] <thekorn> rye: I'll work on exposing this, if noone beats me doing it, I promise ;)
[21:02] <rye> thekorn, but this will only help to recover after the disaster
[21:03] <rye> thekorn, the real thing to do is to prevent it
[21:03] <jibel> Sooner or later lp will have to implement some kind of anti-spam feature and reserve the api to selected teams.
[21:04] <thekorn> ok, here is my crazy idea/masterplan: don't redo such spam!
[21:04] <thekorn> instead identify spammer and auto-redirect them to staging
[21:04] <rye> jibel, I guess we are at "later" stage, Ubuntu is that popular now.
[21:04] <thekorn> so they get the feeling the can do whatever they like
[21:05] <rye> thekorn, yep, and test launchpad for oopses. wise!
[21:12] <kermiac> I seem to remember redirecting them to stagin was mentioned last time. seems like a good workaround 'till a more permanant solution is found
[21:13] <kermiac> s/stagin/staging
[21:31] <kermiac> !topic
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[21:31] <kermiac> oops, that didn't work
[21:35] <kermiac> seems like there will not be any action against this user yet. I was told I must contact them first
[21:35] <kermiac> I have now contacted them http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f65721765 I do not think it will do any good though :(
[21:57] <porter1> join #python
[21:57] <porter1> woops
[22:02] <rmunn> I've tagged LP #522693 as wishlist, but I'm not in bug-control so I can't change its importance. Any bug-control members on right now?
[22:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522693 in brasero (Ubuntu) "support for MAC .dmg files (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522693
[22:04] <kklimonda> rmunn: done
[22:04] <lifeless> rmunn: if you can forward that upstream that would be useful
[22:04] <kklimonda> rmunn: have you checked upstream bugzilla for similar reports?
[22:04] <rmunn> kklimonda, not yet.
[22:04] <rmunn> Looking now.
[22:04] <lifeless> rmunn: generally wishlist bugs should get immediately upstreamed (after checking that it is infact a bug)
[22:05] <rmunn> lifeless, good to know, thanks. I'm just getting started with triaging, so good advice is much appreciated. :-)
[22:13] <rmunn> OK, LP #522693 reported upstream.
[22:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522693 in brasero (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "support for MAC .dmg files (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522693
[22:21] <ericrost> Hey wanted to figure out what package to file a "sane defaults" bug against
[22:22] <ericrost> when adding a hidden SSID network, the ipv4 settings should default to dhcp (most common choice so would be easier for non-techies) had wife and friend bitten by this in last month. Package to file against?
[22:27] <hggdh> ericrost: most probably network-manager
[22:28] <ericrost> that's what I was thinking, thanks
[22:39] <jibel> kermiac_, for info the user's activity is available at http://pastebin.com/d45f6654b
[22:44] <kermiac_> ty jibel, can you please add that info to https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/101807
[22:46] <jibel> kermiac_, done
[22:47] <kermiac_> ty jibel :)
[22:47] <jibel> kermiac_you're welcome
[22:53] <ddecator> if a report got filed twice (completely identical, same reporter, just filed twice), should i mark one as a duplicate of the other?
[22:54] <kermiac_> bug 95929
[22:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 95929 in wget (Debian) (and 3 other projects) "apt,wget ignore $no_proxy (affects: 2)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95929