| smoser | slangasek, done | 00:17 |
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| smoser | thanks | 00:17 |
| cyberix | I'm trying to understand this http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100219.1-max.png | 02:10 |
| cyberix | Why do so many tasks end at the same time? | 02:11 |
| cyberix | ah | 02:11 |
| cyberix | now I get it | 02:11 |
| cyberix | they are processes that continue to run when the system is up | 02:12 |
| cyberix | and I should be looking at blue stuff | 02:13 |
| tlp | Is there a trivial reason some GTK2 apps will show network places (~/.gvfs mounts) in their file dialogs and others won't? i.e. a compile-time option? | 02:47 |
| === funkyHat is now known as drunkyHat | ||
| lifeless | yes, gvfs isn't a kernel mount, so all apps need to be updated to use it. | 02:54 |
| tlp | how trivial is that, do you know? It's something I'd be interested in working on, because it's bothered me for years. | 02:56 |
| tlp | I figured it'd be a toolkit thing | 02:57 |
| tlp | i.e. any GTK2 app would have it inherently | 02:58 |
| wgrant | tlp: You need to use a GVFS, a different VFS API, to access GVFS mounts directly. | 03:01 |
| jdong | doesn't GVFS also put FUSE mounts in ~/.gvfs anyway, so when you rm -rf a home directory it'll trash all your network shares too ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^ legacy apps can use it | 03:04 |
| wgrant | jdong: Yup. | 03:04 |
| tlp | I don't understand why even, say, GNOME Terminal doesn't let me pick "Network" in its file dialog | 03:04 |
| wgrant | GNOME Terminal has a file dialo!? | 03:04 |
| wgrant | +g | 03:04 |
| tlp | File->Save Contents | 03:04 |
| jdong | I'm guessing save transcript | 03:04 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | That menu item lies. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | It doesn't not have an ellipsis. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | Er, "does not". | 03:05 |
| tlp | I understand how to get to mounts via ~/.gvfs, but I highly doubt an end user would. | 03:05 |
| wgrant | tlp: So, the key is that real GVFS apps don't use ~/.gvfs at all. | 03:06 |
| tlp | right. Just seems weird that core GNOME stuff isn't using it already :) | 03:06 |
| tlp | jdong: seriously? that's pretty scary. | 03:09 |
| jdong | tlp: what, recursion down network shares? | 03:09 |
| lifeless | tlp: you have to replace all your file IO | 03:09 |
| jdong | tlp: there's a reason why rm is aliased to rm --one-filesystem in my zshrc right now :) | 03:09 |
| lifeless | tlp: there is an argument that its basically a bad idea and that they are solving the wrong problem. | 03:09 |
| jdong | fortunately the remote system was over a low-bandwidth link AND gvfs sftp is slow :) | 03:09 |
| tlp | lifeless: .gvfs is a bad idea, or the GVFS API? | 03:10 |
| jdong | the GVFS API is kinda annoying to use IMO... | 03:10 |
| jdong | I'd rather wish they did everything over FUSE | 03:10 |
| lifeless | tlp: both | 03:10 |
| jdong | (then again, the UNIXes where FUSE isn't available/common...) | 03:11 |
| lifeless | fuse still has some issues last I heard | 03:11 |
| tlp | I've never used it myself. I'm a renegade from a more complex UNIX-like operating system and only recently started caring about out-of-the-box user experiences | 03:11 |
| tlp | anyway, seems like a big usability problem | 03:12 |
| tlp | jdong: so, here's a question. an rm alias seems like an easy thing to commit to prevent that; any idea why nobody has? | 03:16 |
| jdong | tlp: probably because it's confusing behavior to those not expecting rm to be crippled in such a way | 03:17 |
| tlp | I didn't even know about ~/.gvfs until last year when someone pointed it out to me. I was using smbfs or something. I'd be pretty pissed if I accidentally nuked a network share. | 03:18 |
| tlp | good thing I don't rm my home directory much | 03:18 |
| jdong | indeed. Though IMO this still files under the general category of "careful with -f / -r on rm" | 03:18 |
| jdong | it's an abnormal usecase to be zapping the home directory all that often. | 03:18 |
| tlp | that's true | 03:19 |
| jdong | fortunately, the gdm-guest-session setup does not allow any sort of usermounts thanks to apparmor policy. | 03:19 |
| jdong | I tried without success in tricking it to rm -rf a mountpoint.a | 03:19 |
| tlp | don't we prevent rm /? | 03:19 |
| jdong | upstream does. | 03:19 |
| jdong | specifically it refuses to recurse starting from /. | 03:19 |
| jdong | but you can still use /* and other cute variants to do just as much damage. | 03:19 |
| tlp | I don't see much harm in a simple y/n confirmation for that sort of thing | 03:24 |
| tlp | few people intend to do that, I think. | 03:24 |
| jdong | IMO that's something to take up with coreutils. | 03:24 |
| jdong | -f should mean -f. | 03:25 |
| jdong | would be mean to scripts to change such a primitive command like rm to include new prompts | 03:25 |
| tlp | still trying to figure out how the Ubuntu project is structured (starting by staying in here more often) | 03:25 |
| tlp | ah, true | 03:25 |
| lifeless | you can turn on prompting | 03:25 |
| jdong | lol but then it seems to prompt too much :) | 03:26 |
| jdong | either either nag nag nag or *BOOM* | 03:26 |
| jdong | at least users always feel that way ;-) | 03:26 |
| tlp | I've been using rm -rf so long that I almost forgot -f is supposed to force those things :p | 03:29 |
| wgrant | My university aliases rm to rm -i, which means everybody is immediately taught to always use -f, which is sort of bad... | 03:30 |
| tlp | yeah. something I learned early on and just never thought about again. | 03:31 |
| jdong | yeah, a lot of distros I've used do the same. | 03:31 |
| jdong | at least for the root user. | 03:31 |
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| === Hellow_ is now known as Hellow | ||
| nigelb | anyone good with python give me a little help with parts of an apport hook? | 05:25 |
| nigelb | here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d67f035af | 05:26 |
| nigelb | something to do with lines 15 to 20 is causing some issues | 05:27 |
| slangasek | nigelb: missing an 'import re'? | 05:36 |
| nigelb | slangasek: oh! | 05:36 |
| nigelb | now something more seems to go wrong | 05:38 |
| nigelb | slangasek: I dont seem to be going into line 20 | 05:40 |
| nigelb | somewhere I'm doing something wrong | 05:40 |
| nigelb | and the file isn't being attached either | 05:41 |
| slynux_ | hi | 08:25 |
| slynux_ | i am trying to build a initramfs which can load wireless driver | 08:26 |
| slynux_ | i tried modprobe iwl3945 | 08:26 |
| slynux_ | but its not activating wlan0 | 08:26 |
| slynux_ | i think due to inability of firmware loading | 08:26 |
| slynux_ | howto load firmware without udev ? | 08:27 |
| hyperair | slynux_: which ubuntu are you using? | 08:28 |
| hyperair | slynux_: and what kernel? | 08:28 |
| slynux_ | 9.10 | 08:28 |
| slynux_ | 2.6.31-14-generic | 08:28 |
| hyperair | slynux_: the module is called "iwlagn" | 08:28 |
| slynux_ | oh | 08:29 |
| hyperair | slynux_: and the way to make it be loaded in the initramfs is by adding iwlagn to the bottom of /etc/initramfs-tools/modules | 08:29 |
| slynux_ | okay | 08:29 |
| slynux_ | but i cannot find iwlagn in my lsmod o/p | 08:30 |
| slynux_ | why? | 08:30 |
| hyperair | o/p? | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | output | 08:31 |
| hyperair | lsmod | grep iwl | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | my wireless driver is working when the ubuntu boots up | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | when udev runs | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | iwl3945 77212 0 | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | iwlcore 112508 1 iwl3945 | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | mac80211 181236 2 iwl3945,iwlcore | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | led_class 4096 3 sdhci,iwl3945,iwlcore | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | cfg80211 93052 3 iwl3945,iwlcore,mac80211 | 08:31 |
| slynux_ | i want it to be activated during initramfs | 08:32 |
| slynux_ | before udev | 08:32 |
| hyperair | why would you want that? | 08:33 |
| slynux_ | i am trying to implement a wireless LTSP | 08:33 |
| syn-ack | wow, is that gonna suck bandwidth wise | 08:36 |
| slynux_ | still i wanted to do it | 08:36 |
| slynux_ | there is some wltsp came with windows | 08:36 |
| hyperair | but why before udev? | 08:37 |
| hyperair | why not after udev in initrams? | 08:37 |
| nigelb | when an apport hook is added, I only need to add one line to the debian/rules file.. correct? | 08:38 |
| slynux_ | i dont want to include udev in intramfs | 08:38 |
| slynux_ | once network is up i need to chroot to remote box | 08:38 |
| nigelb | does this line work "cp debian/rhythmbox.apport debian/rhythmbox/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py" | 08:38 |
| hile | why you want to _remove_ udev from initramfs | 08:39 |
| hyperair | slynux_: what's wrong with having udev there anyway? | 08:39 |
| slynux_ | i need to add udev in initramfs | 08:39 |
| slynux_ | it will become heavy | 08:40 |
| slynux_ | i just need to keep it very small | 08:40 |
| hile | udev is in initramfs already | 08:40 |
| hyperair | initramfs is currently 9.8MB | 08:42 |
| hyperair | how much of this is udev? | 08:42 |
| slynux_ | oh | 08:42 |
| slynux_ | i though udev was outside | 08:42 |
| * hyperair sighs | 08:42 | |
| slynux_ | sorry | 08:42 |
| syn-ack | its both | 08:42 |
| slynux_ | thanks | 08:42 |
| hile | anyway the wireless module is useless in initramfs unless you add iwconfig and ifconfig/iproute2 - not sure how big deps these would be | 08:45 |
| hile | ok, wireless-tools would add only libiw29 so it's likely fine | 08:46 |
| syn-ack | hey, anyone have a rough guess at how much of Ubuntu's code is sent back upstream to Debian? | 08:50 |
| hile | I see a wireless ltsp quite useless in most cases, just because wlans suck when you have enough traffic, but for ad-hoc setups it would be nice, maybe | 08:52 |
| hile | of course you would still need to have local initramfs, because you can not usually tftpboot wlan adapters (there is no way to configure the wlan to use for booting etc) | 08:53 |
| hile | oh he left. I would have first tried running for example 10 normal clients with remote X sessions over wlan and see if it's usable, before wasting time with fully diskless setup... | 08:56 |
| * ogra wonders if anyone else is seeing horrible slowness with X since the last upgrade | 09:51 | |
| ogra | and also a lit of flickering in terminals | 09:51 |
| jdub | ogra: mmm, and possibly the source of my rhythmbox/xorg cpu abuse | 09:54 |
| jdub | ogra: there's definitely something odd going on in the X stack | 09:54 |
| jdub | ogra: intel? | 09:55 |
| ogra | xchat takes about 60% CPU here | 09:55 |
| ogra | yeah, intel | 09:55 |
| ogra | in xchat i see a lot of flickering on the line that separates nicks from typed text ... like there are dots jumping on the line | 09:55 |
| ogra | (i already disabled compiz, its definately not composite related) | 09:56 |
| SevenMachines | i'm seeing a little bit of terminal flickering, not as bad as it was a few days ago, none of the other problems you mention though | 09:58 |
| * ogra downgrades the intel driver and restarts X | 09:59 | |
| ogra | nope, didnt help | 10:01 |
| * ogra downgraades xorg-server too | 10:02 | |
| ogra | hmm, still broken | 10:05 |
| c_korn | I think I also seem some flickering in virtualbox. if this is what you mean: http://abs.getdeb.net/X.avi | 10:11 |
| vikkio88 | hi guys | 10:11 |
| vikkio88 | do you have some ideas to create an autocompletition texteditor? | 10:12 |
| vikkio88 | to create post with bbcode for blog? | 10:12 |
| ogra | sigh | 10:18 |
| ogra | c_korn, my system is to slow to play a movie, both CPUs are at 100% | 10:19 |
| ogra | funnily one is completely taken by evolution-alarm-notify | 10:19 |
| ogra | the rest by X and xchat | 10:19 |
| c_korn | ogra: oh, well what you would see is the consolte of the update-manager which flickers when a new message is displayed | 10:20 |
| ogra | yeah, gnome-terminal behaved similar | 10:20 |
| ogra | though that part seems to be fixed with the X downgrade i just did | 10:20 |
| ogra | i still see the flickering one the spatrator line in xchat though | 10:21 |
| ogra | *on th | 10:21 |
| ogra | e | 10:21 |
| ogra | ah, killing evo i can at least type again without delay | 10:22 |
| wgrant | I've noticed that Evo's been pretty slow the last day or two. | 10:23 |
| wgrant | But it's not eating my CPU. | 10:23 |
| ogra | i dont think its evos fault but something lower in the stack | 10:23 |
| ogra | nothing in any log though | 10:24 |
| wgrant | Indeed. | 10:24 |
| hile | if it's in gtk-based text widgets, maybe testing with plain xterm would be good idea... problem even there and it's likely server level issue | 10:25 |
| ogra | yeah, downgrading to libgtk2.0-0 2.19.5-1ubuntu2 fixes the world \o/ | 10:48 |
| ogra | its all sebs fault ! | 10:49 |
| highvoltage | the world!? | 10:51 |
| * highvoltage installs now | 10:51 | |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| uelapeppa | hi | 11:46 |
| uelapeppa | how do you create official ISOs? | 11:47 |
| t3rm1n4l | hi | 12:12 |
| t3rm1n4l | i am trying to activate wlan0 in initramfs | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | when i do modprobe iwl3945 | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | it shows error -2 | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | and says cannot probe the device | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | is that problem with firmware loding? | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | i added a hotplug script | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | but it has no subsystem=firmware uevent | 12:13 |
| t3rm1n4l | any comments ? | 12:13 |
| geser | StevenK: as you offered to help on the OCaml transition: findlib and facile need a rebuild (bug 522363) and camlp5 and havea need a sync (bug 522358) | 12:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522363 in xml-light "[OCaml 3.11.2 transition][round 2/6] Please rebuild packages involved in OCaml transition" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522363 | 12:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522358 in hevea "[OCaml 3.11.2 transition][round 2/6] Please synchronize packages involved in OCaml transition from Debian sid to lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522358 | 12:37 |
| jdub | ogra: interesting -- thanks | 12:57 |
| jdub | ogra: the ol' IZ GTK BUG | 12:57 |
| jdub | ogra: hah, that resolves my rhythmbox issue too :-) | 12:58 |
| jdub | * debian/patches/062_client_side_decoration.patch: | 13:04 |
| jdub | - upload the work from Cody Russell on client side decoration to lucid | 13:04 |
| jdub | j'accuse! | 13:05 |
| azeem | what's about this issue with having "LGPL 2.1 or later" licensed code? | 13:10 |
| pochu | azeem: I guess some people are afraid of the FSF releasing a newer version that says something they dislike? | 13:26 |
| azeem | right, but first off, the FSF actually vowes to not change the spirit of the license | 13:28 |
| azeem | and saying something like "Because seriously, everything should be this way. None of us should be saying "LGPL 2.1 or later". Ask a lawyer, even one from the FSF, how much sense it makes to license your software that way." seems unproductive | 13:28 |
| melodie_ | hello | 15:57 |
| melodie_ | hi | 16:03 |
| melodie_ | I came to ask it the devs know about possible improvements around screen detections in the next Ubuntu ? and about the network as well ? (network-manager still the default app ?) | 16:03 |
| asac | melodie_: yes nm will still be default | 16:11 |
| melodie_ | hi asac | 16:11 |
| melodie_ | do you know if it will get improvements ? (last version I gave up on Ubuntu because it didn't even see my ethernet :/ ) | 16:12 |
| asac | melodie_: did you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces configured? | 16:12 |
| melodie_ | what about screen detections ? no new tool coming out to get it configured the good way ? | 16:13 |
| asac | if not, its a driver bug and has nothing to do with nm | 16:13 |
| asac | anyway out ... getting food and weekend action and so on ... enjoyy | 16:14 |
| melodie_ | what I can tell you, is that it was just after installing, and that it didn't work whereas before it used to work out of the box. I could connect only with dhclient, whatever I tried. I'm not a /etc/network/interfaces specialist on the other hand | 16:14 |
| asac | (dont know about screen detection ... usually everything happens automatically quite well nowadays) | 16:14 |
| melodie_ | asac, not really. well, I guess I should go back to bugzilla more often ;) | 16:14 |
| asac | cant tell then. would need to see the logs and the files. most likely its fixed in lucid | 16:14 |
| melodie_ | asac, I'll give it a try again when out. thanks asac | 16:15 |
| asac | melodie_: give it a try before its out ;) ... otherwise its hard to get things fixed | 16:15 |
| asac | at least pop in the live cd | 16:15 |
| asac | and check if network is good | 16:15 |
| melodie_ | asac, allright, I'll try it in virtualbox and will yell if the vbox drivers aren't included. ;-) | 16:16 |
| asac | take tomorrows dailies ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ | 16:16 |
| melodie_ | asac, ok ! thank you ! | 16:16 |
| asac | melodie_: virtualbox is not really important | 16:16 |
| melodie_ | for me it is | 16:16 |
| asac | what is important is your main system | 16:16 |
| melodie_ | that's where I do many tests | 16:16 |
| asac | virtualbox usually worked here | 16:16 |
| melodie_ | at a time I could not get a gui in vbox, without strange tweaks | 16:17 |
| asac | if your problem was about virtualbox then its odd because i am sure i would have gotten more complains if it didnt work at all | 16:17 |
| melodie_ | now I have a Xubuntu in it, but only 800x600 and no way to know how to change it unless I get a xorg.conf from another install | 16:18 |
| melodie_ | which has also occurred in a real machine several times | 16:18 |
| melodie_ | the ethernet problem was on my laptop ibm T30 | 16:18 |
| melodie_ | ok I get a tomorrows' daily anyhow. | 16:19 |
| melodie_ | do you know if is it possible to dd it to a usb pendrive and boot it from there ? I like to save cd-r when I can | 16:19 |
| LaserJock | melodie_: I don't think dd will work, usb-creator works to best or unetbootin | 16:21 |
| melodie_ | hi LaserJock | 16:22 |
| melodie_ | to use usb-creator you have to have a Ubuntu installed don't you ? | 16:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah, or I think Windows | 16:23 |
| melodie_ | I don't use Windows | 16:23 |
| LaserJock | unetbootin is available for most distros | 16:23 |
| melodie_ | I tried it once, it screwed my menu.lst | 16:24 |
| melodie_ | never again ! | 16:24 |
| melodie_ | I can have it in Archlinux ! Great ! | 16:26 |
| melodie_ | which one there is the one asac told me about ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ | 16:27 |
| melodie_ | which is the latest ? 20th ? | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | melodie_: usually there is a link to "current" | 16:46 |
| melodie_ | LaserJock, ok, thank you | 16:46 |
| melodie_ | I'm dowloading from the "daily-live" directory now. | 16:47 |
| melodie_ | do one knows if is there any development done especially for the netbooks ? | 17:21 |
| ari-tczew | please sponsor debdiffs for fakesyncs: bug 512430 ; bug 524955 ; bug 524957 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512430 in geronimo-jpa-3.0-spec "Fake sync geronimo packages (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512430 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524955 in polkit-qt "Fake sync polkit-qt 0.9.3-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524955 | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524957 in polkit-qt-1 "Fake sync polkit-qt-1 0.95.1-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524957 | 17:26 |
| melodie_ | LaserJock, do you know if there are specific components at Ubuntu, that one should install when having a notebook Samsung NC10 ? Or if some special developments are led ? (kernels for notebooks, or ?) | 17:31 |
| asac | melodie_: for netbooks you should install une | 17:58 |
| asac | melodie_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/ | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | melodie_: you can look at the "Hardware Specific Help" section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuNetbookEdition | 18:06 |
| kees | james_w: when you get a moment, can you look at bug 524980? if that patch is ok, I'd like to get it in; this error drives me crazy. :) | 18:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524980 in lazr.restfulclient "does not retry temporary failures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524980 | 18:13 |
| james_w | kees: nicely phrased :-) | 18:15 |
| james_w | I have the same code externally | 18:15 |
| kees | heh | 18:15 |
| kees | yeah, I have the same code externally in lots of different scripts. :) | 18:15 |
| james_w | I'd like to get leonard's opinion though | 18:15 |
| kees | okay | 18:15 |
| kees | yeah, I figured it should get a little review | 18:16 |
| asac | kees: that patch is bad ;) | 18:17 |
| asac | 1st. using while True: is lazy habit imo ;) | 18:17 |
| asac | 2nd. you have an endless loop there, no? | 18:17 |
| kees | asac: well, I suppose it could be better, but it's not endless, we either break or reduce retries. | 18:18 |
| asac | run a s/retires/retries/ | 18:18 |
| asac | ;) | 18:18 |
| kees | asac: I wanted to avoid a needless trailing sleep(1) | 18:18 |
| asac | kees: you dont reduce retries, but retires ;) | 18:18 |
| kees | oop, but yeah, typo is ugly | 18:18 |
| asac | which probably never retires ;) | 18:18 |
| asac | cheers | 18:18 |
| * kees updates patch | 18:19 | |
| james_w | kees: fwiw, you've probably discovered this already, but just that isn't really sufficient for unattended jobs | 18:19 |
| kees | james_w: oh? it seems to work well enough for mine jobs? | 18:20 |
| kees | s/mine/my | 18:20 |
| james_w | you often need to back of more than that | 18:20 |
| james_w | back off | 18:20 |
| james_w | if it's in cron and will try again an hour later then you are probably fine | 18:21 |
| james_w | but there are often storms that go on longer than the ~30s that will retry for | 18:21 |
| kees | hrm, I hadn't noticed anything that got that crazy, but I think stalling for 30m in a client call isn't probably good. | 18:22 |
| james_w | no | 18:23 |
| james_w | so if it's appropriate you may want to do it at a higher level | 18:23 |
| kees | yeah. but this should catch, at least for me, the bulk of the glitches | 18:23 |
| james_w | yeah | 18:23 |
| james_w | I just did the same thing hoping it would solve more than it ended up doing | 18:24 |
| james_w | lets see what Leonard says, I'd rather not stick it in if clients can't rely on it being there | 18:24 |
| james_w | oh, and "ValueError: No json object could be decoded" means that haproxy can't reach an appserver, a couple of bugs mean you get a silly error | 18:26 |
| kees | kirkland: hrm, does qemu-nbd hang for you? I can't get it to connect | 18:36 |
| === |sistpoty| is now known as sistpoty | ||
| melodie_ | hi again | 19:07 |
| melodie_ | I think I ought to post a bug report, but I don't know against what I should post it : Xorg ? what is the configuration tool for resolution ? I installed in vbox, and did search a simple solution within Ubuntu to fix the resolution, but found none. Ended with using a foreign xorg.conf to fix it. | 19:11 |
| melodie_ | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/380521/ | 19:11 |
| melodie_ | what should I do to help improve this ? It's a problem I also met before, on a real install | 19:11 |
| melodie_ | I feel that there is really something missing... | 19:12 |
| LaserJock | melodie_: is this on Lucid or a stable release? | 19:50 |
| melodie_ | LaserJock, on Xubuntu Karmic, and last year same happened in Ubuntu Karmic on an install on one of my machines | 19:53 |
| melodie_ | LaserJock, maybe you are not interested in bugs about Karmic for now ? | 19:53 |
| melodie_ | LaserJock, one more among many ? -> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=xorg+resolution+Karmic&field.actions.search=Search | 19:58 |
| melodie_ | :o | 19:58 |
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| bigon | has something got decided about the fakesync version scheme? | 20:06 |
| bigon | cjwatson: ^? | 20:13 |
| melodie_ | I try to install Lucid in a pendrive : does it need a ext2 partition to work out ? | 20:17 |
| melodie_ | (with usb-creator-gtk) | 20:17 |
| bigon | nobody for the fakesync versioning scheme? | 20:29 |
| james_w | bigon: you've read the mailing list discussion? | 20:34 |
| bigon | yeah but I'm not sure something have been really decided :p | 20:34 |
| james_w | well, you have all the information that I know of then | 20:34 |
| bigon | well I will upload my pkg with -Xfakesync1 then | 20:36 |
| slangasek | bigon: the tools today won't know how to handle that | 20:49 |
| bigon | :/ too late | 20:50 |
| slangasek | I wouldn't recommend using new package version schemes before there's a clear consensus and a committment to implementing the tool support | 20:50 |
| crimsun | slangasek: do you want me to leave bug 283217 open for the thinkpads? | 20:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283217 in pulseaudio "Volume HotKey shows OSD, doesn't change mixer level" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283217 | 20:57 |
| crimsun | otherwise I'm inclined to close it for the OR's hw | 20:57 |
| Laibsch | Is mvo the only specialist on update-manager? I'm about to update my hardy LAN server, but it picked hardy->intrepid instead of hardy-lucid. I did some initial triage together with mvo and reported a ticket in LP. Since then I've not heard back from him even though I pinged him a couple of times. I finally want to go ahead with the upgrade, but that will then be the end of further data collection. | 20:58 |
| slangasek | crimsun: eh, why would you use that bug to track anything about thinkpads when there's no mention at all of thinkpads in it? | 20:59 |
| lifeless | Laibsch: he is the primary author | 20:59 |
| lifeless | its just python though, so anyone that can program can debug it reasonably easily | 21:00 |
| Laibsch | who is econdary author? | 21:00 |
| Laibsch | ;-) | 21:00 |
| Laibsch | +s | 21:00 |
| Laibsch | lifeless: computers are just 0s and 1s, anybody who can count can debug them ;-) | 21:00 |
| crimsun | slangasek: given the title, I did not know whether you intended to track thinkpad symptoms there | 21:01 |
| crimsun | slangasek: anyhow, I'll close it, thanks. | 21:01 |
| slangasek | crimsun: yes, please close it | 21:01 |
| lifeless | I wasn't intending to be sarcastic | 21:02 |
| lifeless | I feel like you were though in your response; is that accurate? | 21:02 |
| * hyperair finds python pretty hard to debug | 21:03 | |
| hyperair | is there some gdb for python? | 21:03 |
| lifeless | hyperair: yes; pdb and also gdb can do python | 21:04 |
| hyperair | oh that's cool | 21:09 |
| hyperair | lifeless: gdb doesn't appear to do python. says it's not an executable format | 21:10 |
| slangasek | you either need to run 'gdb python' and then pass the script as an argument to 'run', or attach to the process by pid | 21:11 |
| melodie_ | is 6 Go enough for Lucid, in a Virtual machine, please ? | 21:12 |
| slangasek | melodie_: it should be, yes | 21:13 |
| slangasek | melodie_: you may find #ubuntu+1 is a better forum for asking such questions | 21:13 |
| melodie_ | thks slangasek, what is that chan dedicated to ? | 21:14 |
| lifeless | hyperair: http://wiki.python.org/moin/DebuggingWithGdb | 21:14 |
| slangasek | melodie_: #ubuntu+1 is for support of the current development release | 21:16 |
| melodie_ | slangasek, I'll also look for the dedicated bug tracker | 21:16 |
| slangasek | melodie_: sorry, dedicated bug tracker for what? | 21:21 |
| melodie_ | for Lucid | 21:21 |
| melodie_ | sorry I was disconnected :- | 21:22 |
| slangasek | melodie_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 21:22 |
| melodie_ | thank you ! theses pages can look like a real jungle when you don't know where the right one is | 21:23 |
| melodie_ | no | 21:24 |
| melodie_ | I meant the bug tracker dedicated to Lucid. there I have gone allready, I am logged in launchpad too | 21:24 |
| Laibsch | If you don't take some time to read the chances are that you will not write a good bug report. The effect of that will be that you will take up valuable developer time that could have otherwise gone into fixing a bug. | 21:36 |
| Laibsch | Please make sure you write the best possible bug report you can so that the devs can actually fix it | 21:36 |
| Laibsch | You may find out that your "bug" is not a bug after all or has a known workaround | 21:37 |
| slangasek | melodie_: Launchpad *is* our bug tracker | 21:37 |
| lifeless | melodie_: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu is the dedicated bug tracker | 21:37 |
| lifeless | melodie_: its big because Ubuntu is big. | 21:37 |
| melodie_ | I know that | 21:38 |
| melodie_ | I used it at it's very beginning | 21:38 |
| Laibsch | melodie_: this isn't the right place for you to ask for support, please use #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-bugs. Please be sure to read the wiki pages pointed out to you. You will find all the answers you need. | 21:40 |
| melodie_ | Laibsch, I am logged there, I was just asking where the dev's are looking for bugs to fix | 21:41 |
| lifeless | melodie_: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu | 21:41 |
| melodie_ | in the whole place ? | 21:42 |
| * Laibsch is getting a certain feeling | 21:42 | |
| lifeless | melodie_: yes | 21:43 |
| melodie_ | lifeless, thank you | 21:44 |
| Dunkirk | Is there a web site / way to view the patches that have been applied to packages in Lucid. (I'm looking to see if a particular has been fixed since Karmic.) | 22:25 |
| lifeless | Dunkirk: patches.ubuntu.com | 22:27 |
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| melodie_ | what is todays Lucid ? alpha ? alpha 1 ? | 22:51 |
| melodie_ | or more ? I want to report this : http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/378262 | 22:51 |
| sherr | melodie_: Lucid questions in #ubuntu+1 | 22:55 |
| melodie_ | allright thanks | 22:57 |
| melodie_ | bye | 23:34 |
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