[00:17] <smoser> slangasek, done
[00:17] <smoser> thanks
[02:10] <cyberix> I'm trying to understand this http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100219.1-max.png
[02:11] <cyberix> Why do so many tasks end at the same time?
[02:11] <cyberix> ah
[02:11] <cyberix> now I get it
[02:12] <cyberix> they are processes that continue to run when the system is up
[02:13] <cyberix> and I should be looking at blue stuff
[02:47] <tlp> Is there a trivial reason some GTK2 apps will show network places (~/.gvfs mounts) in their file dialogs and others won't? i.e. a compile-time option?
[02:54] <lifeless> yes, gvfs isn't a kernel mount, so all apps need to be updated to use it.
[02:56] <tlp> how trivial is that, do you know? It's something I'd be interested in working on, because it's bothered me for years.
[02:57] <tlp> I figured it'd be a toolkit thing
[02:58] <tlp> i.e. any GTK2 app would have it inherently
[03:01] <wgrant> tlp: You need to use a GVFS, a different VFS API, to access GVFS mounts directly.
[03:04] <jdong> doesn't GVFS also put FUSE mounts in ~/.gvfs anyway, so when you rm -rf a home directory it'll trash all your network shares too ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^ legacy apps can use it
[03:04] <wgrant> jdong: Yup.
[03:04] <tlp> I don't understand why even, say, GNOME Terminal doesn't let me pick "Network" in its file dialog
[03:04] <wgrant> GNOME Terminal has a file dialo!?
[03:04] <wgrant> +g
[03:04] <tlp> File->Save Contents
[03:04] <jdong> I'm guessing save transcript
[03:05] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:05] <wgrant> That menu item lies.
[03:05] <wgrant> It doesn't not have an ellipsis.
[03:05] <wgrant> Er, "does not".
[03:05] <tlp> I understand how to get to mounts via ~/.gvfs, but I highly doubt an end user would.
[03:06] <wgrant> tlp: So, the key is that real GVFS apps don't use ~/.gvfs at all.
[03:06] <tlp> right. Just seems weird that core GNOME stuff isn't using it already :)
[03:09] <tlp> jdong: seriously? that's pretty scary.
[03:09] <jdong> tlp: what, recursion down network shares?
[03:09] <lifeless> tlp: you have to replace all your file IO
[03:09] <jdong> tlp: there's a reason why rm is aliased to rm --one-filesystem in my zshrc right now :)
[03:09] <lifeless> tlp: there is an argument that its basically a bad idea and that they are solving the wrong problem.
[03:09] <jdong> fortunately the remote system was over a low-bandwidth link AND gvfs sftp is slow :)
[03:10] <tlp> lifeless: .gvfs is a bad idea, or the GVFS API?
[03:10] <jdong> the GVFS API is kinda annoying to use IMO...
[03:10] <jdong> I'd rather wish they did everything over FUSE
[03:10] <lifeless> tlp: both
[03:11] <jdong> (then again, the UNIXes where FUSE isn't available/common...)
[03:11] <lifeless> fuse still has some issues last I heard
[03:11] <tlp> I've never used it myself. I'm a renegade from a more complex UNIX-like operating system and only recently started caring about out-of-the-box user experiences
[03:12] <tlp> anyway, seems like a big usability problem
[03:16] <tlp> jdong: so, here's a question. an rm alias seems like an easy thing to commit to prevent that; any idea why nobody has?
[03:17] <jdong> tlp: probably because it's confusing behavior to those not expecting rm to be crippled in such a way
[03:18] <tlp> I didn't even know about ~/.gvfs until last year when someone pointed it out to me. I was using smbfs or something. I'd be pretty pissed if I accidentally nuked a network share.
[03:18] <tlp> good thing I don't rm my home directory much
[03:18] <jdong> indeed. Though IMO this still files under the general category of "careful with -f / -r on rm"
[03:18] <jdong> it's an abnormal usecase to be zapping the home directory all that often.
[03:19] <tlp> that's true
[03:19] <jdong> fortunately, the gdm-guest-session setup does not allow any sort of usermounts thanks to apparmor policy.
[03:19] <jdong> I tried without success in tricking it to rm -rf a mountpoint.a
[03:19] <tlp> don't we prevent rm /?
[03:19] <jdong> upstream does.
[03:19] <jdong> specifically it refuses to recurse starting from /.
[03:19] <jdong> but you can still use /* and other cute variants to do just as much damage.
[03:24] <tlp> I don't see much harm in a simple y/n confirmation for that sort of thing
[03:24] <tlp> few people intend to do that, I think.
[03:24] <jdong> IMO that's something to take up with coreutils.
[03:25] <jdong> -f should mean -f.
[03:25] <jdong> would be mean to scripts to change such a primitive command like rm to include new prompts
[03:25] <tlp> still trying to figure out how the Ubuntu project is structured (starting by staying in here more often)
[03:25] <tlp> ah, true
[03:25] <lifeless> you can turn on prompting
[03:26] <jdong> lol but then it seems to prompt too much :)
[03:26] <jdong> either either nag nag nag or *BOOM*
[03:26] <jdong> at least users always feel that way ;-)
[03:29] <tlp> I've been using rm -rf so long that I almost forgot -f is supposed to force those things :p
[03:30] <wgrant> My university aliases rm to rm -i, which means everybody is immediately taught to always use -f, which is sort of bad...
[03:31] <tlp> yeah. something I learned early on and just never thought about again.
[03:31] <jdong> yeah, a lot of distros I've used do the same.
[03:31] <jdong> at least for the root user.
[05:25] <nigelb> anyone good with python give me a little help with parts of an apport hook?
[05:26] <nigelb> here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d67f035af
[05:27] <nigelb> something to do with lines 15 to 20 is causing some issues
[05:36] <slangasek> nigelb: missing an 'import re'?
[05:36] <nigelb> slangasek: oh!
[05:38] <nigelb> now something more seems to go wrong
[05:40] <nigelb> slangasek: I dont seem to be going into line 20
[05:40] <nigelb> somewhere I'm doing something wrong
[05:41] <nigelb> and the file isn't being attached either
[08:25] <slynux_> hi
[08:26] <slynux_> i am trying to build a initramfs which can load wireless driver
[08:26] <slynux_> i tried modprobe iwl3945
[08:26] <slynux_> but its not activating wlan0
[08:26] <slynux_> i think due to inability of firmware loading
[08:27] <slynux_> howto load firmware without udev ?
[08:28] <hyperair> slynux_: which ubuntu are you using?
[08:28] <hyperair> slynux_: and what kernel?
[08:28] <slynux_> 9.10
[08:28] <slynux_> 2.6.31-14-generic
[08:28] <hyperair> slynux_: the module is called "iwlagn"
[08:29] <slynux_> oh
[08:29] <hyperair> slynux_: and the way to make it be loaded in the initramfs is by adding iwlagn to the bottom of /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[08:29] <slynux_> okay
[08:30] <slynux_> but i cannot find iwlagn in my lsmod o/p
[08:30] <slynux_> why?
[08:31] <hyperair> o/p?
[08:31] <slynux_> output
[08:31] <hyperair> lsmod | grep iwl
[08:31] <slynux_> my wireless driver is working when the ubuntu boots up
[08:31] <slynux_> when udev runs
[08:31] <slynux_> iwl3945                77212  0
[08:31] <slynux_> iwlcore               112508  1 iwl3945
[08:31] <slynux_> mac80211              181236  2 iwl3945,iwlcore
[08:31] <slynux_> led_class               4096  3 sdhci,iwl3945,iwlcore
[08:31] <slynux_> cfg80211               93052  3 iwl3945,iwlcore,mac80211
[08:32] <slynux_> i want it to be activated during initramfs
[08:32] <slynux_> before udev
[08:33] <hyperair> why would you want that?
[08:33] <slynux_> i am trying to implement a wireless LTSP
[08:36] <syn-ack> wow, is that gonna suck bandwidth wise
[08:36] <slynux_> still i wanted to do it
[08:36] <slynux_> there is some wltsp came with windows
[08:37] <hyperair> but why before udev?
[08:37] <hyperair> why not after udev in initrams?
[08:38] <nigelb> when an apport hook is added, I only need to add one line to the debian/rules file.. correct?
[08:38] <slynux_> i dont want to include udev in intramfs
[08:38] <slynux_> once network is up i need to chroot to remote box
[08:38] <nigelb> does this line work "cp debian/rhythmbox.apport debian/rhythmbox/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py"
[08:39] <hile> why you want to _remove_ udev from initramfs
[08:39] <hyperair> slynux_: what's wrong with having udev there anyway?
[08:39] <slynux_> i need to add udev in initramfs
[08:40] <slynux_> it will become heavy
[08:40] <slynux_> i just need to keep it very small
[08:40] <hile> udev is in initramfs already
[08:42] <hyperair> initramfs is currently 9.8MB
[08:42] <hyperair> how much of this is udev?
[08:42] <slynux_> oh
[08:42] <slynux_> i though udev was outside
[08:42]  * hyperair sighs
[08:42] <slynux_> sorry
[08:42] <syn-ack> its both
[08:42] <slynux_> thanks
[08:45] <hile> anyway the wireless module is useless in initramfs unless you add iwconfig and ifconfig/iproute2 - not sure how big deps these would be
[08:46] <hile> ok, wireless-tools would add only libiw29 so it's likely fine
[08:50] <syn-ack> hey, anyone have a rough guess at how much of Ubuntu's code is sent back upstream to Debian?
[08:52] <hile> I see a wireless ltsp quite useless in most cases, just because wlans suck when you have enough traffic, but for ad-hoc setups it would be nice, maybe
[08:53] <hile> of course you would still need to have local initramfs, because you can not usually tftpboot wlan adapters (there is no way to configure the wlan to use for booting etc)
[08:56] <hile> oh he left. I would have first tried running for example 10 normal clients with remote X sessions over wlan and see if it's usable, before wasting time with fully diskless setup...
[09:51]  * ogra wonders if anyone else is seeing horrible slowness with X since the last upgrade
[09:51] <ogra> and also a lit of flickering in terminals
[09:54] <jdub> ogra: mmm, and possibly the source of my rhythmbox/xorg cpu abuse
[09:54] <jdub> ogra: there's definitely something odd going on in the X stack
[09:55] <jdub> ogra: intel?
[09:55] <ogra> xchat takes about 60% CPU here
[09:55] <ogra> yeah, intel
[09:55] <ogra> in xchat i see a lot of flickering on the line that separates nicks from typed text ... like there are dots jumping on the line
[09:56] <ogra> (i already disabled compiz, its definately not composite related)
[09:58] <SevenMachines> i'm seeing a little bit of terminal flickering, not as bad as it was a few days ago, none of the other problems you mention though
[09:59]  * ogra downgrades the intel driver and restarts X
[10:01] <ogra> nope, didnt help
[10:02]  * ogra downgraades xorg-server too
[10:05] <ogra> hmm, still broken
[10:11] <c_korn> I think I also seem some flickering in virtualbox. if this is what you mean: http://abs.getdeb.net/X.avi
[10:11] <vikkio88> hi guys
[10:12] <vikkio88> do you have some ideas to create an autocompletition texteditor?
[10:12] <vikkio88> to create post with bbcode for blog?
[10:18] <ogra> sigh
[10:19] <ogra> c_korn, my system is to slow to play a movie, both CPUs are at 100%
[10:19] <ogra> funnily one is completely taken by evolution-alarm-notify
[10:19] <ogra> the rest by X and xchat
[10:20] <c_korn> ogra: oh, well what you would see is the consolte of the update-manager which flickers when a new message is displayed
[10:20] <ogra> yeah, gnome-terminal behaved similar
[10:20] <ogra> though that part seems to be fixed with the X downgrade i just did
[10:21] <ogra> i still see the flickering one the spatrator line in xchat though
[10:21] <ogra> *on th
[10:21] <ogra> e
[10:22] <ogra> ah, killing evo i can at least type again without delay
[10:23] <wgrant> I've noticed that Evo's been pretty slow the last day or two.
[10:23] <wgrant> But it's not eating my CPU.
[10:23] <ogra> i dont think its evos fault but something lower in the stack
[10:24] <ogra> nothing in any log though
[10:24] <wgrant> Indeed.
[10:25] <hile> if it's in gtk-based text widgets, maybe testing with plain xterm would be good idea... problem even there and it's likely server level issue
[10:48] <ogra> yeah, downgrading to libgtk2.0-0 2.19.5-1ubuntu2 fixes the world \o/
[10:49] <ogra> its all sebs fault !
[10:51] <highvoltage> the world!?
[10:51]  * highvoltage installs now
[11:46] <uelapeppa> hi
[11:47] <uelapeppa> how do you create official ISOs?
[12:12] <t3rm1n4l> hi
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l> i am trying to activate wlan0 in initramfs
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l>  when i do modprobe iwl3945
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l>  it shows error -2
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l> and says cannot probe the device
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l> is that problem with firmware loding?
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l>  i added a hotplug script
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l>  but it has no subsystem=firmware uevent
[12:13] <t3rm1n4l> any comments ?
[12:36] <geser> StevenK: as you offered to help on the OCaml transition: findlib and facile need a rebuild (bug 522363) and camlp5 and havea need a sync (bug 522358)
[12:57] <jdub> ogra: interesting -- thanks
[12:57] <jdub> ogra: the ol' IZ GTK BUG
[12:58] <jdub> ogra: hah, that resolves my rhythmbox issue too :-)
[13:04] <jdub>   * debian/patches/062_client_side_decoration.patch:
[13:04] <jdub>     - upload the work from Cody Russell on client side decoration to lucid
[13:05] <jdub> j'accuse!
[13:10] <azeem> what's about this issue with having "LGPL 2.1 or later" licensed code?
[13:26] <pochu> azeem: I guess some people are afraid of the FSF releasing a newer version that says something they dislike?
[13:28] <azeem> right, but first off, the FSF actually vowes to not change the spirit of the license
[13:28] <azeem> and saying something like "Because seriously, everything should be this way.  None of us should be saying "LGPL 2.1 or later".  Ask a lawyer, even one from the FSF, how much sense it makes to license your software that way." seems unproductive
[15:57] <melodie_> hello
[16:03] <melodie_> hi
[16:03] <melodie_> I came to ask it the devs know about possible improvements around screen detections in the next Ubuntu ? and about the network as well ? (network-manager still the default app ?)
[16:11] <asac> melodie_: yes nm will still be default
[16:11] <melodie_> hi asac
[16:12] <melodie_> do you know if it will get improvements ? (last version I gave up on Ubuntu because it didn't even see my ethernet :/ )
[16:12] <asac> melodie_: did you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces configured?
[16:13] <melodie_> what about screen detections ? no new tool coming out to get it configured the good way ?
[16:13] <asac> if not, its a driver bug and has nothing to do with nm
[16:14] <asac> anyway out ... getting food and weekend action and so on ... enjoyy
[16:14] <melodie_> what I can tell you, is that it was just after installing, and that it didn't work whereas before it used to work out of the box. I could connect only with dhclient, whatever I tried. I'm not a /etc/network/interfaces specialist on the other hand
[16:14] <asac> (dont know about screen detection ... usually everything happens automatically quite well nowadays)
[16:14] <melodie_> asac, not really. well, I guess I should go back to bugzilla more often ;)
[16:14] <asac> cant tell then. would need to see the logs and the files. most likely its fixed in lucid
[16:15] <melodie_> asac, I'll give it a try again when out. thanks asac
[16:15] <asac> melodie_: give it a try before its out ;) ... otherwise its hard to get things fixed
[16:15] <asac> at least pop in the live cd
[16:15] <asac> and check if network is good
[16:16] <melodie_> asac, allright, I'll try it in virtualbox and will yell if the vbox drivers aren't included. ;-)
[16:16] <asac> take tomorrows dailies ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:16] <melodie_> asac, ok ! thank you !
[16:16] <asac> melodie_: virtualbox is not really important
[16:16] <melodie_> for me it is
[16:16] <asac> what is important is your main system
[16:16] <melodie_> that's where I do many tests
[16:16] <asac> virtualbox usually worked here
[16:17] <melodie_> at a time I could not get a gui in vbox, without strange tweaks
[16:17] <asac> if your problem was about virtualbox then its odd because i am sure i would have gotten more complains if it didnt work at all
[16:18] <melodie_> now I have a Xubuntu in it, but only 800x600 and no way to know how to change it unless I get a xorg.conf from another install
[16:18] <melodie_> which has also occurred in a real machine several times
[16:18] <melodie_> the ethernet problem was on my laptop ibm T30
[16:19] <melodie_> ok I get a tomorrows' daily anyhow.
[16:19] <melodie_> do you know if is it possible to dd it to a usb pendrive and boot it from there ? I like to save cd-r when I can
[16:21] <LaserJock> melodie_: I don't think dd will work, usb-creator works to best or unetbootin
[16:22] <melodie_> hi LaserJock
[16:22] <melodie_> to use usb-creator you have to have a Ubuntu installed don't you ?
[16:23] <LaserJock> yeah, or I think Windows
[16:23] <melodie_> I don't use Windows
[16:23] <LaserJock> unetbootin is available for most distros
[16:24] <melodie_> I tried it once, it screwed my menu.lst
[16:24] <melodie_> never again !
[16:26] <melodie_> I can have it in Archlinux ! Great !
[16:27] <melodie_> which one there is the one asac told me about ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:27] <melodie_> which is the latest ? 20th ?
[16:46] <LaserJock> melodie_: usually there is a link to "current"
[16:46] <melodie_> LaserJock, ok, thank you
[16:47] <melodie_> I'm dowloading from the "daily-live" directory now.
[17:21] <melodie_> do one knows if is there any development done especially for the netbooks ?
[17:26] <ari-tczew> please sponsor debdiffs for fakesyncs: bug 512430 ; bug 524955 ; bug 524957
[17:31] <melodie_> LaserJock, do you know if there are specific components at Ubuntu, that one should install when having a notebook Samsung NC10 ? Or if some special developments are led ? (kernels for notebooks, or ?)
[17:58] <asac> melodie_: for netbooks you should install une
[17:58] <asac> melodie_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/
[18:06] <LaserJock> melodie_: you can look at the "Hardware Specific Help" section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuNetbookEdition
[18:13] <kees> james_w: when you get a moment, can you look at bug 524980?  if that patch is ok, I'd like to get it in; this error drives me crazy.  :)
[18:15] <james_w> kees: nicely phrased :-)
[18:15] <james_w> I have the same code externally
[18:15] <kees> heh
[18:15] <kees> yeah, I have the same code externally in lots of different scripts.  :)
[18:15] <james_w> I'd like to get leonard's opinion though
[18:15] <kees> okay
[18:16] <kees> yeah, I figured it should get a little review
[18:17] <asac> kees: that patch is bad ;)
[18:17] <asac> 1st. using while True: is lazy habit imo ;)
[18:17] <asac> 2nd. you have an endless loop there, no?
[18:18] <kees> asac: well, I suppose it could be better, but it's not endless, we either break or reduce retries.
[18:18] <asac> run a s/retires/retries/
[18:18] <asac> ;)
[18:18] <kees> asac: I wanted to avoid a needless trailing sleep(1)
[18:18] <asac> kees: you dont reduce retries, but retires ;)
[18:18] <kees> oop, but yeah, typo is ugly
[18:18] <asac> which probably never retires ;)
[18:18] <asac> cheers
[18:19]  * kees updates patch
[18:19] <james_w> kees: fwiw, you've probably discovered this already, but just that isn't really sufficient for unattended jobs
[18:20] <kees> james_w: oh? it seems to work well enough for mine jobs?
[18:20] <kees> s/mine/my
[18:20] <james_w> you often need to back of more than that
[18:20] <james_w> back off
[18:21] <james_w> if it's in cron and will try again an hour later then you are probably fine
[18:21] <james_w> but there are often storms that go on longer than the ~30s that will retry for
[18:22] <kees> hrm, I hadn't noticed anything that got that crazy, but I think stalling for 30m in a client call isn't probably good.
[18:23] <james_w> no
[18:23] <james_w> so if it's appropriate you may want to do it at a higher level
[18:23] <kees> yeah.  but this should catch, at least for me, the bulk of the glitches
[18:23] <james_w> yeah
[18:24] <james_w> I just did the same thing hoping it would solve more than it ended up doing
[18:24] <james_w> lets see what Leonard says, I'd rather not stick it in if clients can't rely on it being there
[18:26] <james_w> oh, and "ValueError: No json object could be decoded" means that haproxy can't reach an appserver, a couple of bugs mean you get a silly error
[18:36] <kees> kirkland: hrm, does qemu-nbd hang for you?  I can't get it to connect
[19:07] <melodie_> hi again
[19:11] <melodie_> I think I ought to post a bug report, but I don't know against what I should post it : Xorg ? what is the configuration tool for resolution ? I installed in vbox, and did search a simple solution within Ubuntu to fix the resolution, but found none. Ended with using a foreign xorg.conf to fix it.
[19:11] <melodie_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/380521/
[19:11] <melodie_> what should I do to help improve this ? It's a problem I also met before, on a real install
[19:12] <melodie_> I feel that there is really something missing...
[19:50] <LaserJock> melodie_: is this on Lucid or a stable release?
[19:53] <melodie_> LaserJock, on Xubuntu Karmic, and last year same happened in Ubuntu Karmic on an install on one of my machines
[19:53] <melodie_> LaserJock, maybe you are not interested in bugs about Karmic for now ?
[19:58] <melodie_> LaserJock, one more among many ? -> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=xorg+resolution+Karmic&field.actions.search=Search
[19:58] <melodie_> :o
[20:06] <bigon> has something got decided about the fakesync version scheme?
[20:13] <bigon> cjwatson: ^?
[20:17] <melodie_> I try to install Lucid in a pendrive : does it need a ext2 partition to work out ?
[20:17] <melodie_> (with usb-creator-gtk)
[20:29] <bigon> nobody for the fakesync versioning scheme?
[20:34] <james_w> bigon: you've read the mailing list discussion?
[20:34] <bigon> yeah but I'm not sure something have been really decided :p
[20:34] <james_w> well, you have all the information that I know of then
[20:36] <bigon> well I will upload my pkg with -Xfakesync1 then
[20:49] <slangasek> bigon: the tools today won't know how to handle that
[20:50] <bigon> :/ too late
[20:50] <slangasek> I wouldn't recommend using new package version schemes before there's a clear consensus and a committment to implementing the tool support
[20:57] <crimsun> slangasek: do you want me to leave bug 283217 open for the thinkpads?
[20:57] <crimsun> otherwise I'm inclined to close it for the OR's hw
[20:58] <Laibsch> Is mvo the only specialist on update-manager?  I'm about to update my hardy LAN server, but it picked hardy->intrepid instead of hardy-lucid.  I did some initial triage together with mvo and reported a ticket in LP.  Since then I've not heard back from him even though I pinged him a couple of times.  I finally want to go ahead with the upgrade, but that will then be the end of further data collection.
[20:59] <slangasek> crimsun: eh, why would you use that bug to track anything about thinkpads when there's no mention at all of thinkpads in it?
[20:59] <lifeless> Laibsch: he is the primary author
[21:00] <lifeless> its just python though, so anyone that can program can debug it reasonably easily
[21:00] <Laibsch> who is econdary author?
[21:00] <Laibsch> ;-)
[21:00] <Laibsch> +s
[21:00] <Laibsch> lifeless: computers are just 0s and 1s, anybody who can count can debug them ;-)
[21:01] <crimsun> slangasek: given the title, I did not know whether you intended to track thinkpad symptoms there
[21:01] <crimsun> slangasek: anyhow, I'll close it, thanks.
[21:01] <slangasek> crimsun: yes, please close it
[21:02] <lifeless> I wasn't intending to be sarcastic
[21:02] <lifeless> I feel like you were though in your response; is that accurate?
[21:03]  * hyperair finds python pretty hard to debug
[21:03] <hyperair> is there some gdb for python?
[21:04] <lifeless> hyperair: yes; pdb and also gdb can do python
[21:09] <hyperair> oh that's cool
[21:10] <hyperair> lifeless: gdb doesn't appear to do python. says it's not an executable format
[21:11] <slangasek> you either need to run 'gdb python' and then pass the script as an argument to 'run', or attach to the process by pid
[21:12] <melodie_> is 6 Go enough for Lucid, in a Virtual machine, please ?
[21:13] <slangasek> melodie_: it should be, yes
[21:13] <slangasek> melodie_: you may find #ubuntu+1 is a better forum for asking such questions
[21:14] <melodie_> thks slangasek, what is that chan dedicated to ?
[21:14] <lifeless> hyperair: http://wiki.python.org/moin/DebuggingWithGdb
[21:16] <slangasek> melodie_: #ubuntu+1 is for support of the current development release
[21:16] <melodie_> slangasek, I'll also look for the dedicated bug tracker
[21:21] <slangasek> melodie_: sorry, dedicated bug tracker for what?
[21:21] <melodie_> for Lucid
[21:22] <melodie_> sorry I was disconnected :-
[21:22] <slangasek> melodie_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[21:23] <melodie_> thank you ! theses pages can look like a real jungle when you don't know where the right one is
[21:24] <melodie_> no
[21:24] <melodie_> I meant the bug tracker dedicated to Lucid. there I have gone allready, I am logged in launchpad too
[21:36] <Laibsch> If you don't take some time to read the chances are that you will not write a good bug report.  The effect of that will be that you will take up valuable developer time that could have otherwise gone into fixing a bug.
[21:36] <Laibsch> Please make sure you write the best possible bug report you can so that the devs can actually fix it
[21:37] <Laibsch> You may find out that your "bug" is not a bug after all or has a known workaround
[21:37] <slangasek> melodie_: Launchpad *is* our bug tracker
[21:37] <lifeless> melodie_: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu is the dedicated bug tracker
[21:37] <lifeless> melodie_: its big because Ubuntu is big.
[21:38] <melodie_> I know that
[21:38] <melodie_> I used it at it's very beginning
[21:40] <Laibsch> melodie_: this isn't the right place for you to ask for support, please use #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-bugs.  Please be sure to read the wiki pages pointed out to you. You will find all the answers you need.
[21:41] <melodie_> Laibsch, I am logged there, I was just asking where the dev's are looking for bugs to fix
[21:41] <lifeless> melodie_: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:42] <melodie_> in the whole place ?
[21:42]  * Laibsch is getting a certain feeling
[21:43] <lifeless> melodie_: yes
[21:44] <melodie_> lifeless, thank you
[22:25] <Dunkirk> Is there a web site / way to view the patches that have been applied to packages in Lucid. (I'm looking to see if a particular has been fixed since Karmic.)
[22:27] <lifeless> Dunkirk: patches.ubuntu.com
[22:51] <melodie_> what is todays Lucid ? alpha ? alpha 1 ?
[22:51] <melodie_> or more ? I want to report this : http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/378262
[22:55] <sherr> melodie_: Lucid questions in #ubuntu+1
[22:57] <melodie_> allright thanks
[23:34] <melodie_> bye