=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [05:51] Riddell: yea...im gonna be looking at it later today [07:17] Riddell: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDestkopScripting#Misc._Global_Properties_and_Functions [07:17] boolean hasBattery: whether or not the system has the ability to run on battery power, e.g. a laptop or mobile device [07:17] it always annoyed me that my workstation did have the battery plasmoid added ;) [07:19] apachelogger: why does the upgrade script interfere with that? [07:20] Riddell: well, I only changed the init script to *not* add the plasmoid to the tray, but since the upgrade script gets executed right after the init script it would added the battery plasmiod nonetheless [07:20] which was easy enough to work around by making the upgrade script check for hasBattery as well [07:21] but I imagine this can cause quite some headache in larger scripts [07:21] gotta talk to aseigo about that [07:23] Riddell: also, we cannot add currently set foldeview to show desktop:/ because it does not have a configChanged() interface (which is what would be called by widget.reloadConfig()), I already poked fredrikh about it and he said that he's going to fix that [07:24] otherwise we can easy enough patch a configChanged() in that only takes the url into account [07:25] ooh cool, nice fix [07:25] Riddell: reloadConfig()? according to the documentation it gets done once the script exits anyway :) [07:26] (that of course implies there is a configChanged() interface ;)) [07:28] aye, I had to get aseigo to add that to get the init script working at all [07:28] *nod* [07:35] http://linuxexperimentation.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-lucid-review.html [07:35] ^ you will love this [07:35] :) [07:35] "This level of perfection reflects on how good the final release version is going be. I would recommend Kubuntu Lucid to any serious KDE user instead of the current stable Karmic. [07:36] Oo [07:36] now that indeed is madness [07:36] is it? [07:36] * markey hasn't tried Lucid [07:36] tbh, I plan to migrate to Chakra [07:36] the UDev thing is killing me [07:37] and the whole Ubuntu nonsense too [07:38] "Kdm login to fully loaded desktop, 19 secs" [07:38] that is insanity [07:38] * apachelogger never noticed it takes that loong [07:42] I timed about 45 seconds grub to desktop [07:45] Riddell: maybe we should also get started with that bootcharting business? [07:46] * apachelogger thinks it shouldnt take longer than 20 or 25 seconds to get to once desktop :/ [07:47] * apachelogger also thinks that we need bash autocompletion for cmake ... that cmake_install_prefix option is way too long ^^ [08:51] apachelogger: it sure doesn't take that long on Karmic [08:53] Mamarok: your machine boots in less than 20? [08:53] do you have ssd or something? [08:56] no, but it sure boots in 10 from KDM to destop [08:56] didn't check from grup to desktop [08:57] well, it depends on the hardware [09:29] something tells me my system is using iso instead of utf8 [09:29] oh [09:29] locale is C :D [09:29] that explains a lot [09:30] silly ubiquity didnt install properly [09:59] bah [10:19] Riddell, Tonio_: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/packagekit/kubuntu-upgrade-support/+merge/19807 if someone could please merge :) === xerosis_ is now known as xerosis [12:03] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/drkonqi-installdbgsymbols.ogv [12:19] apachelogger, why did you add the fix_progress_crash.patch to PackageKit? [12:19] apachelogger, there is already a self._backend._cache.has_key(pkg_name) check in the next line [12:24] glatzor: jontheechdina did, I just synced what is in the archive [13:06] apachelogger: ping [13:07] apachelogger: i get these errors on a upload : http://pastebin.ca/1804583 : so i googled around and found that i need to get my gpg key signed [13:07] so can someone sign them? [13:09] shadeslayer: looks like you need to sign your own signature (self-sign it) [13:11] a|wen: how? [13:11] a|wen: i had to reinstall kubuntu but saved my keys and later imported them [13:11] i have this problem since then [13:12] shadeslayer: use "gpg --edit-key" on the key id and then mark it as trusted using "trust" ... i think that should be enough [13:13] hmm [13:17] a|wen: thanks :) [13:17] yw :) [13:46] apachelogger: ping [13:46] apachelogger: I tested your merge proposal seems fine [14:00] Tonio_: cool please merge then :) [14:02] apachelogger: read pv please :) [14:04] apachelogger: btw i hope the naming is correct now : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages [14:05] for the rekonq packages that is [14:31] apachelogger: merged :) [14:35] glatzor: I added the patch back because the issue re-appeared without it [14:36] and it has stopped the stream of dupes, so I am assuming that the patch indeed re-fixed it [14:40] wow...this is new... chromium downloading via the KDE download manager :o [14:41] http://imagebin.ca/view/mH2I9jF.html [14:44] shadeslayer: using the daily ppa? [14:44] JontheEchidna: yeah [14:45] * JontheEchidna updates [14:45] JontheEchidna: it even used the kde window for asking where to save [14:45] and not the ugly gnome one :D [14:45] whoa [14:45] yeah i was blown away :P [14:45] chromium for default browzar!1! [14:45] JontheEchidna: hehe :D [14:46] i vote rekonq :P [14:46] You'd want to be testing the browsers *in* the archive, now that we've passed feature freeze, if you wantt o change the default :) [14:46] heh, yeah [14:48] shadeslayer: your irssi backlog is the same as mine :x [14:50] JontheEchidna: :P [14:51] hmm, no luck here :( [14:51] boring ol' gtk dialog [14:51] JontheEchidna: hmm.. weird.. i did uninstall some gnome packages related to ubuntuone gnome client earlier,maybe thats why? [14:51] JontheEchidna: btw for a new package who should be the maintainer? [14:52] shadeslayer: Ubuntu Developers [14:52] JontheEchidna: just for my PPA too? [14:52] oh, there it doesn't really matter [14:52] and the XSBC orig. maintaier? [14:52] *maintainer [14:53] that'd be you [14:53] grrr... it was a glitch... [14:53] shadeslayer: nope [14:53] yeah... i tried it again... didnt work [14:54] technically it should be 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~ppa1 [14:54] idk why though [14:54] and 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~karmic0~ppa1 for karmic [14:55] apachelogger: its the same for lucid [14:55] 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu1~ppa0 [14:55] oh 0ubuntu0... [14:56] * persia recommends just setting oneself as "Maintainer" for PPA uploads. [14:57] btw '>>' should work in the control file right? [14:57] like : libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2) [14:58] yes [14:59] and the changelog should read initial release right? [15:00] yup [15:00] doesnt really matter for ppa though :P [15:00] :D [15:01] apachelogger: regarding the watch file,how does one make the link? [15:01] I do hate new kmail setups -.- [15:01] nothing but trouble [15:01] like fo rekonq its : http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2 [15:01] shadeslayer: I do not quite understand the question [15:02] apachelogger: theres a line in the watch file,how do i write that line? [15:02] its a new package... [15:02] kubotu: google ubuntu manpages uscan [15:02] Results for ubuntu manpages uscan: 1. #364116 - [uscan] please add --force-download to download tarball ...: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364116 | 2. Linux Programmer's Guide Man Pages - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8960 | 3. Ubuntu Manpage: dh-make-pecl - Create debian source packages from ...: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/dh-make-pecl.1.html [15:02] Debian bug 364116 in devscripts "[uscan] please add --force-download to download tarball when pkg is up to date" [Wishlist,Fixed] [15:02] oh [15:02] stupid google :P [15:03] shadeslayer: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man1/uscan.1.html [15:06] wohoo! digikam + kipi-plugins is nice :D [15:07] apachelogger: if i just replace rekonq with the project name,will it work? [15:08] shadeslayer: again I do not understand the question [15:09] for eg in the line [15:09] http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2 [15:09] i replace rekonq with recorditnow [15:09] http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2 [15:09] argh [15:09] http://sf.net/recorditnow/recorditnow-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2 [15:10] well [15:10] yes [15:10] if the tarball is called like that [15:10] hmm [15:10] otherwise you will have to make the regex fit as well [15:11] ([\d.]*) corresponds to version no. right? like 0.7 [15:14] [\d.]* matches anything at all. [15:14] [\d\.]* matches any combination of digits and '.'s. [15:14] it corresponds to any string that repeats any number of times either a digit or a period [15:14] [\d\.]+ is recommended for use in watch files for version numbers. [15:14] persia: inside [] you do not need to escape . [15:15] apachelogger: In perl you do, and that's parsed in perl. [15:15] POSIX regexes work the way you describe. [15:15] are you sure it is parsed as perl regex? [15:15] jsut because it is parsed in perl does not mean it gets parsed as perl regex :P [15:15] Yes. [15:15] ok [15:16] shadeslayer: in that case go read perl regex documentation ;) [15:16] man uscan | grep perl :) [15:16] (man perlre) [15:16] But really, [\d\.]+ is the good version string. [15:17] persia: no man page for perlre [15:17] !man [15:17] The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | Manpages online: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ [15:17] !man perlre [15:17] tsimpson: ^ [15:17] feature request [15:17] shadeslayer: use manpages.ubuntu.com or install perl-doc [15:17] :) [15:18] tsimpson: It could just link to manpages.ubuntu.com, so easy to implement :) [15:18] yep, that is what I expect it to do [15:18] persia: ok :) [15:19] * apachelogger goes killing unk [15:20] hmm, are we in main freeze? alpha3 is scheduled for the 25th [15:21] JontheEchidna: soft freeze from tue to thu [15:21] oh btw for the initial release do i need some special dch command? [15:21] patches are welcome :) [15:21] tsimpson: go use a bot implemented in a sensible language [15:22] like ecmascript [15:22] * shadeslayer guesses dch --create [15:22] apachelogger: feel free to port the existing plugins and I'll gladly ditch supy-hell [15:23] I'm working on the channel management stuff right now, so I won't get to the manpage stuff for a while [15:23] and I have jury service in march, so... [15:23] sounds like fun Oo [15:24] JontheEchidna: do you think we should make unk a transitional package to knh? === xerosis_ is now known as xerosis [15:26] that would help people who said "no" to update-manager's old-package-removal not have 2 notifiers [15:27] I'm all for it [15:27] apachelogger: update-notifier-kde has a higher version than k-n-h [15:28] JontheEchidna: how so? [15:28] oh [15:28] 9.10ubuntu2 vs 0.4.90 [15:28] JontheEchidna: I would change knh's scheme [15:28] perhaps k-n-h should adopt u-n-k's version scheme [15:28] I think I migrated everything to the scheme used by unk [15:29] I'll do that now [15:29] not that we have all that much to migrate ;) [15:29] I'll add the transitional package while I'm at it [15:32] cool, thx [15:36] JontheEchidna: btw, is aptcc usable? [15:36] apachelogger: yeah. works fairly well [15:36] all it lacks is install-from-file and distro-upgrade [15:37] well, distro-upgrade could be archived via the helper script we used for adept [15:37] though I think CPython would be better [15:38] * apachelogger wants to note that last time he wanted to use CPython he got all scared away by its uglyness :P [15:38] JontheEchidna: killed all kopete-facebook bugs [15:39] nice [15:39] apachelogger: we dont need it anymore :) [15:39] that is why I killed all bugs :P [15:39] apachelogger: hehe... :D [15:39] apachelogger: one pacakge i backported and it became redundant :'( [15:40] well, there are worse things in live ^^ [15:40] :D [16:04] something tells me that some part of our insanely space saving packaging is causing ksplashx to not refresh its cache [16:04] and something tells me that I hate the freaking touchpad here [16:05] and I am wondering where one would send a bash autocompletion script to [16:05] apachelogger: cache refreshing woes were happening before the space-saving [16:05] JontheEchidna: got autocompletion for kcmshell4 :D [16:05] tab completion fore kcmshell4 arguments?? [16:05] aye [16:05] sweet [16:06] aaaaah [16:06] why cant I turn on that the touchpad gets disabled when typing -.- [16:06] JontheEchidna: kcm-touchpad doesnt like me :((((( [16:07] :( [16:09] omg [16:09] it is not even supposed to work! [16:09] holy smokes [16:10] * apachelogger turns off the touchpad [16:10] apachelogger: now i get what you meant by killing kopete-fb bugs... [16:11] i thought you meant you killed the bugs in the source :P [16:20] bug 491353 looks strange [16:20] Launchpad bug 491353 in kubuntu-default-settings "karmic upgrade: hal-policy-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi link breaks hal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491353 [16:26] Tonio__: is that ntfs fdi even necessary anymore? [16:26] ntfs-3g seems to ship with it's own fdi nowadays [16:48] bug 525367 [16:48] Launchpad bug 525367 in kde4libs "kdelibs5-dev should depend on libattica-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525367 [16:48] any reason why it shouldn't? [16:53] btw anyone using ktorrent svn? [16:56] If 4.0 gets released before UI freeze I'm filing a feature freeze exception, but I've not actually used it yet. [16:57] JontheEchidna: +1 we *need* multiple tracker to be available :) [16:57] <3 magnet links [16:58] hehe :) [16:59] JontheEchidna: and i test ktorrent svn out.... and apart from the UI everything has changed :P [16:59] brb [17:04] apachelogger: yep, I think it shouldn't be necessary anymore [17:05] apachelogger: maybe we should clean kds on that point === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [17:05] apachelogger: ntfs 3G it always shipped with with it's own fdi, but kde3 ignored them [17:05] apachelogger: with kde4, that should work out of the box [17:12] Tonio_: kds is clean :P [17:12] Tonio_: do you remember a specific case where it did not work? [17:13] hum, can't remember no [17:14] apachelogger: which ntfs-3g are you talking about, if kds is now clean ? [17:14] apachelogger: I may not get your point :) [17:17] Tonio_: it is clean besides that fdi file :P [17:17] i did not dare removing it earlier because I did not know a specific use case to test regressions against [17:25] i created a service menu how do i go about getting it in the repos ? [17:25] create a package around the service menu [17:27] apachelogger: well.... it doesn't arm atany point [17:27] and how do i create the package (i.e what tools do i need) its only a desktop files and will be dependent on okteta [17:27] apachelogger: maybe we shouldn't touch this right now and remove it for lucid+1 no ? [17:28] apachelogger: or remove it and test btw... afaik it should work, so you decide what's best [17:28] Tonio_: I would go for remove and test [17:28] but first we need a list of test cases to ask people to test against [17:29] like a) internal partition b) thumbdrive c) firewire [17:29] I can't mount ntfs drives as it is [17:29] apachelogger: yeah [17:29] apachelogger: I'm not at home so I have nothing reliable to test except from a usb key :) [17:29] apachelogger: I'll be back home in a week [17:29] http://imagebin.ca/view/IpZJi1fq.html [17:29] * apachelogger aint got no ntfs drive at all :D [17:29] didn't we have a patch to ask for the pass on ntfs drives? [17:30] possibly [17:31] seems we still do, but it ain't doing much [17:31] this seems to break every other release [17:32] oh well, you know my point on patches :P [18:20] apachelogger: #454287 is not a bug; the driver cannot add support for it where the underlying hw doesn't exist. You may have implied as such in your comment; it's difficult to interpret. [18:20] (LP #454287, that is) [18:20] Launchpad bug 454287 in alsa-driver "No Way to Enable Analog Loopback" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454287 [18:30] Riddell: if you know someone with an Eee feel free to ask them to try the latest installer (not packaged yet) ... I just committed some fixes that should make it better on the smaller screen [18:34] my sister has one EeePc [18:35] if some day comes here with it i will test === raj_ is now known as txwikinger2 === zegenie_ is now known as zegenie [20:32] Lex79: have you packaged Qt 4.6.2 yet? [20:32] no, I need sandsmark patch [20:32] hmm [20:33] I have a patch I'd like to backport from 4.6.3 [20:33] http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/staging/commit/059be19781a22d2e41f22072152589857d0fabf9 [20:33] Lex79: debian is going to switch back to kdesupport phonon, can we do the same? [20:34] JontheEchidna: I'm ready for that, but we need an official decision :) [20:35] Lex79: they already did so in git: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=summary [20:35] I know, I already merge in my compy :) [20:36] could you add the patch I linked to too, please? [20:36] ok [20:36] fixes a very annoying bug in k3bg [20:36] *k3b [20:36] thanks :) [20:40] JontheEchidna: btw Phonon now is in gitorious http://gitorious.org/phonon [20:40] they will drop from kdesupport [20:41] just for your curiosity :) [20:41] ya, I've been keeping an eye on it [20:41] hopefully that will make it more likely to have stable releases before new KDE versions :s [20:42] :) === raj is now known as txwikinger3 === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger2 === xerosis_ is now known as xerosis [22:00] crimsun: oh well, I thought it might be doable at software level too (after all to me it only apears as using a tee from in to out and software) [22:01] but if it is hardware dependent it is all the same to me, as long as the bug does not clot poor old kdemultimedias bug list ;) [22:02] apachelogger: heh :-) === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [22:10] hi [22:10] I was looking into kubuntu-meta [22:10] and I've seen that it depends from hal [22:11] (the lucid one, I'm looking into) [22:11] lucid wasn't planned to be hal free? === raj is now known as txwikinger3 === txwikinger2 is now known as Guest79842 === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger2 [22:43] fale: KDE still needs hal [22:43] Riddell: than kubuntu lucid will have hal? [22:43] *then [22:44] QED [22:45] what are you trying to demostrate? [22:55] fale: Kubuntu Lucid needs KDE. KDE still needs hal. Therefore Kubuntu Lucid will have hal. [23:00] hi ryanakca [23:00] Hi txwikinger2