[05:51] <shtylman> Riddell: yea...im gonna be looking at it later today
[07:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDestkopScripting#Misc._Global_Properties_and_Functions
[07:17] <apachelogger> boolean hasBattery: whether or not the system has the ability to run on battery power, e.g. a laptop or mobile device
[07:17] <apachelogger> it always annoyed me that my workstation did have the battery plasmoid added ;)
[07:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: why does the upgrade script interfere with that?
[07:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I only changed the init script to *not* add the plasmoid to the tray, but since the upgrade script gets executed right after the init script it would added the battery plasmiod nonetheless
[07:20] <apachelogger> which was easy enough to work around by making the upgrade script check for hasBattery as well
[07:21] <apachelogger> but I imagine this can cause quite some headache in larger scripts
[07:21] <apachelogger> gotta talk to aseigo about that
[07:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, we cannot add currently set foldeview to show desktop:/ because it does not have a configChanged() interface (which is what would be called by widget.reloadConfig()), I already poked fredrikh about it and he said that he's going to fix that
[07:24] <apachelogger> otherwise we can easy enough patch a configChanged() in that only takes the url into account
[07:25] <Riddell> ooh cool, nice fix
[07:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: reloadConfig()? according to the documentation it gets done once the script exits anyway :)
[07:26] <apachelogger> (that of course implies there is a configChanged() interface ;))
[07:28] <Riddell> aye, I had to get aseigo to add that to get the init script working at all
[07:28] <apachelogger> *nod*
[07:35] <markey> http://linuxexperimentation.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-lucid-review.html
[07:35] <markey> ^ you will love this
[07:35] <markey> :)
[07:35] <markey> "This level of perfection reflects on how good the final release version is going be. I would recommend Kubuntu Lucid to any serious KDE user instead of the current stable Karmic.
[07:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:36] <apachelogger> now that indeed is madness
[07:36] <markey> is it?
[07:36]  * markey hasn't tried Lucid
[07:36] <markey> tbh, I plan to migrate to Chakra
[07:36] <markey> the UDev thing is killing me
[07:37] <markey> and the whole Ubuntu nonsense too
[07:38] <apachelogger> "Kdm login to fully loaded desktop, 19 secs"
[07:38] <apachelogger> that is insanity
[07:38]  * apachelogger never noticed it takes that loong
[07:42] <Riddell> I timed about 45 seconds grub to desktop
[07:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should also get started with that bootcharting business?
[07:46]  * apachelogger thinks it shouldnt take longer than 20 or 25 seconds to get to once desktop :/
[07:47]  * apachelogger also thinks that we need bash autocompletion for cmake ... that cmake_install_prefix option is way too long ^^
[08:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: it sure doesn't take that long on Karmic
[08:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: your machine boots in less than 20?
[08:53] <apachelogger> do you have ssd or something?
[08:56] <Mamarok> no, but it sure boots in 10 from KDM to destop
[08:56] <Mamarok> didn't check from grup to desktop
[08:57] <apachelogger> well, it depends on the hardware
[09:29] <apachelogger> something tells me my system is using iso instead of utf8
[09:29] <apachelogger> oh
[09:29] <apachelogger> locale is C :D
[09:29] <apachelogger> that explains a lot
[09:30] <apachelogger> silly ubiquity didnt install properly
[09:59] <apachelogger> bah
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell, Tonio_: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/packagekit/kubuntu-upgrade-support/+merge/19807 if someone could please merge :)
[12:03] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/drkonqi-installdbgsymbols.ogv
[12:19] <glatzor> apachelogger, why did you add the fix_progress_crash.patch to PackageKit?
[12:19] <glatzor> apachelogger, there is already a self._backend._cache.has_key(pkg_name) check in the next line
[12:24] <apachelogger> glatzor: jontheechdina did, I just synced what is in the archive
[13:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i get these errors on a upload : http://pastebin.ca/1804583 : so i googled around and found that i need to get my gpg key signed
[13:07] <shadeslayer> so can someone sign them?
[13:09] <a|wen> shadeslayer: looks like you need to sign your own signature (self-sign it)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> a|wen: how?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> a|wen: i had to reinstall kubuntu but saved my keys and later imported them
[13:11] <shadeslayer> i have this problem since then
[13:12] <a|wen> shadeslayer: use "gpg --edit-key" on the key id and then mark it as trusted using "trust" ... i think that should be enough
[13:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:17] <shadeslayer> a|wen: thanks :)
[13:17] <a|wen> yw :)
[13:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ping
[13:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I tested your merge proposal seems fine
[14:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: cool please merge then :)
[14:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: read pv please :)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i hope the naming is correct now : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages
[14:05] <shadeslayer> for the rekonq packages that is
[14:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: merged :)
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> glatzor: I added the patch back because the issue re-appeared without it
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> and it has stopped the stream of dupes, so I am assuming that the patch indeed re-fixed it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> wow...this is new... chromium downloading via the KDE download manager :o
[14:41] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/mH2I9jF.html
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: using the daily ppa?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna updates
[14:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it even used the kde window for asking where to save
[14:45] <shadeslayer> and not the ugly gnome one :D
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yeah i was blown away :P
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> chromium for default browzar!1!
[14:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe :D
[14:46] <shadeslayer> i vote rekonq :P
[14:46] <persia> You'd want to be testing the browsers *in* the archive, now that we've passed feature freeze, if you wantt o change the default :)
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: your irssi backlog is the same as mine :x
[14:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: :P
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, no luck here :(
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> boring ol' gtk dialog
[14:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hmm.. weird.. i did uninstall some gnome packages related to ubuntuone gnome client earlier,maybe thats why?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw for a new package who should be the maintainer?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[14:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: just for my PPA too?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it doesn't really matter
[14:52] <shadeslayer> and the XSBC orig. maintaier?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> *maintainer
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> that'd be you
[14:53] <shadeslayer> grrr... it was a glitch...
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yeah... i tried it again... didnt work
[14:54] <apachelogger> technically it should be 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~ppa1
[14:54] <shadeslayer> idk why though
[14:54] <apachelogger> and 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~karmic0~ppa1 for karmic
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its the same for lucid
[14:55] <shadeslayer> 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu1~ppa0
[14:55] <shadeslayer> oh 0ubuntu0...
[14:56]  * persia recommends just setting oneself as "Maintainer" for PPA uploads.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> btw '>>' should work in the control file right?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> like : libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2)
[14:58] <apachelogger> yes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> and the changelog should read initial release right?
[15:00] <apachelogger> yup
[15:00] <apachelogger> doesnt really matter for ppa though :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: regarding the watch file,how does one make the link?
[15:01] <apachelogger> I do hate new kmail setups -.-
[15:01] <apachelogger> nothing but trouble
[15:01] <shadeslayer> like fo rekonq its : http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not quite understand the question
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a line in the watch file,how do i write that line?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> its a new package...
[15:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: google ubuntu manpages uscan
[15:02] <kubotu> Results for ubuntu manpages uscan: 1. #364116 - [uscan] please add --force-download to download tarball ...: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364116 | 2. Linux Programmer's Guide Man Pages - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8960 | 3. Ubuntu Manpage: dh-make-pecl - Create debian source packages from ...: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/dh-make-pecl.1.html
[15:02] <apachelogger> oh
[15:02] <apachelogger> stupid google :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man1/uscan.1.html
[15:06] <a|wen> wohoo! digikam + kipi-plugins is nice :D
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i just replace rekonq with the project name,will it work?
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: again I do not understand the question
[15:09] <shadeslayer> for eg in the line
[15:09] <shadeslayer> http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:09] <shadeslayer> i replace rekonq with recorditnow
[15:09] <shadeslayer>  http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:09] <shadeslayer> argh
[15:09] <shadeslayer> http://sf.net/recorditnow/recorditnow-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:10] <apachelogger> well
[15:10] <apachelogger> yes
[15:10] <apachelogger> if the tarball is called like that
[15:10] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:10] <apachelogger> otherwise you will have to make the regex fit as well
[15:11] <shadeslayer> ([\d.]*) corresponds to version no. right? like 0.7
[15:14] <persia> [\d.]* matches anything at all.
[15:14] <persia> [\d\.]* matches any combination of digits and '.'s.
[15:14] <apachelogger> it corresponds to any string that repeats any number of times either a digit or a period
[15:14] <persia> [\d\.]+ is recommended for use in watch files for version numbers.
[15:14] <apachelogger> persia: inside [] you do not need to escape .
[15:15] <persia> apachelogger: In perl you do, and that's parsed in perl.
[15:15] <persia> POSIX regexes work the way you describe.
[15:15] <apachelogger> are you sure it is parsed as perl regex?
[15:15] <apachelogger> jsut because it is parsed in perl does not mean it gets parsed as perl regex :P
[15:15] <persia> Yes.
[15:15] <apachelogger> ok
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in that case go read perl regex documentation ;)
[15:16] <persia> man uscan | grep perl :)
[15:16] <persia> (man perlre)
[15:16] <persia> But really, [\d\.]+ is the good version string.
[15:17] <shadeslayer> persia: no man page for perlre
[15:17] <apachelogger> !man
[15:17] <apachelogger> !man perlre
[15:17] <apachelogger> tsimpson: ^
[15:17] <apachelogger> feature request
[15:17] <persia> shadeslayer: use manpages.ubuntu.com or install perl-doc
[15:17] <apachelogger> :)
[15:18] <persia> tsimpson: It could just link to manpages.ubuntu.com, so easy to implement :)
[15:18] <apachelogger> yep, that is what I expect it to do
[15:18] <shadeslayer> persia: ok :)
[15:19]  * apachelogger goes killing unk
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> hmm, are we in main freeze? alpha3 is scheduled for the 25th
[15:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: soft freeze from tue to thu
[15:21] <shadeslayer> oh btw for the initial release do i need some special dch command?
[15:21] <tsimpson> patches are welcome :)
[15:21] <apachelogger> tsimpson: go use a bot implemented in a sensible language
[15:22] <apachelogger> like ecmascript
[15:22]  * shadeslayer guesses dch --create
[15:22] <tsimpson> apachelogger: feel free to port the existing plugins and I'll gladly ditch supy-hell
[15:23] <tsimpson> I'm working on the channel management stuff right now, so I won't get to the manpage stuff for a while
[15:23] <tsimpson> and I have jury service in march, so...
[15:23] <apachelogger> sounds like fun Oo
[15:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you think we should make unk a transitional package to knh?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> that would help people who said "no" to update-manager's old-package-removal not have 2 notifiers
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm all for it
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: update-notifier-kde has a higher version than k-n-h
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[15:28] <apachelogger> oh
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> 9.10ubuntu2 vs 0.4.90
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would change knh's scheme
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> perhaps k-n-h should adopt u-n-k's version scheme
[15:28] <apachelogger> I think I migrated everything to the scheme used by unk
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I'll do that now
[15:29] <apachelogger> not that we have all that much to migrate ;)
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I'll add the transitional package while I'm at it
[15:32] <apachelogger> cool, thx
[15:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, is aptcc usable?
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah. works fairly well
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> all it lacks is install-from-file and distro-upgrade
[15:37] <apachelogger> well, distro-upgrade could be archived via the helper script we used for adept
[15:37] <apachelogger> though I think CPython would be better
[15:38]  * apachelogger wants to note that last time he wanted to use CPython he got all scared away by its uglyness :P
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: killed all kopete-facebook bugs
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we dont need it anymore :)
[15:39] <apachelogger> that is why I killed all bugs :P
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe... :D
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one pacakge i backported and it became redundant :'(
[15:40] <apachelogger> well, there are worse things in live ^^
[15:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:04] <apachelogger> something tells me that some part of our insanely space saving packaging is causing ksplashx to not refresh its cache
[16:04] <apachelogger> and something tells me that I hate the freaking touchpad here
[16:05] <apachelogger> and I am wondering where one would send a bash autocompletion script to
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: cache refreshing woes were happening before the space-saving
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got autocompletion for kcmshell4 :D
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> tab completion fore kcmshell4 arguments??
[16:05] <apachelogger> aye
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> sweet
[16:06] <apachelogger> aaaaah
[16:06] <apachelogger> why cant I turn on that the touchpad gets disabled when typing -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kcm-touchpad doesnt like me :(((((
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> :(
[16:09] <apachelogger> omg
[16:09] <apachelogger> it is not even supposed to work!
[16:09] <apachelogger> holy smokes
[16:10]  * apachelogger turns off the touchpad
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now i get what you meant by killing kopete-fb bugs...
[16:11] <shadeslayer> i thought you meant you killed the bugs in the source :P
[16:20] <apachelogger> bug 491353 looks strange
[16:26] <apachelogger> Tonio__: is that ntfs fdi even necessary anymore?
[16:26] <apachelogger> ntfs-3g seems to ship with it's own fdi nowadays
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> bug 525367
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> any reason why it shouldn't?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> btw anyone using ktorrent svn?
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> If 4.0 gets released before UI freeze I'm filing a feature freeze exception, but I've not actually used it yet.
[16:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: +1 we *need* multiple tracker to be available :)
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> <3 magnet links
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and i test ktorrent svn out.... and apart from the UI everything has changed :P
[16:59] <shadeslayer> brb
[17:04] <Tonio__> apachelogger: yep, I think it shouldn't be necessary anymore
[17:05] <Tonio__> apachelogger: maybe we should clean kds on that point
[17:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ntfs 3G it always shipped with with it's own fdi, but kde3 ignored them
[17:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: with kde4, that should work out of the box
[17:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: kds is clean :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: do you remember a specific case where it did not work?
[17:13] <Tonio_> hum, can't remember no
[17:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: which ntfs-3g are you talking about, if kds is now clean ?
[17:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I may not get your point :)
[17:17] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it is clean besides that fdi file :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> i did not dare removing it earlier because I did not know a specific use case to test regressions against
[17:25] <sithlord48> i created a service menu how do i go about getting it in the repos ?
[17:25] <apachelogger> create a package around the service menu
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well.... it doesn't arm atany point
[17:27] <sithlord48> and how do i create the package (i.e what tools do i need) its only a desktop files and will be dependent on okteta
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: maybe we shouldn't touch this right now and remove it for lucid+1 no ?
[17:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: or remove it and test btw... afaik it should work, so you decide what's best
[17:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I would go for remove and test
[17:28] <apachelogger> but first we need a list of test cases to ask people to test against
[17:29] <apachelogger> like a) internal partition b) thumbdrive c) firewire
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> I can't mount ntfs drives as it is
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm not at home so I have nothing reliable to test except from a usb key :)
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll be back home in a week
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/IpZJi1fq.html
[17:29]  * apachelogger aint got no ntfs drive at all :D
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> didn't we have a patch to ask for the pass on ntfs drives?
[17:30] <apachelogger> possibly
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> seems we still do, but it ain't doing much
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> this seems to break every other release
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh well, you know my point on patches :P
[18:20] <crimsun> apachelogger: #454287 is not a bug; the driver cannot add support for it where the underlying hw doesn't exist. You may have implied as such in your comment; it's difficult to interpret.
[18:20] <crimsun> (LP #454287, that is)
[18:30] <shtylman> Riddell: if you know someone with an Eee feel free to ask them to try the latest installer (not packaged yet) ... I just committed some fixes that should make it better on the smaller screen
[18:34] <EagleScreen> my sister has one EeePc
[18:35] <EagleScreen> if some day comes here with it i will test
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: have you packaged Qt 4.6.2 yet?
[20:32] <Lex79> no, I need sandsmark patch
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I have a patch I'd like to backport from 4.6.3
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/staging/commit/059be19781a22d2e41f22072152589857d0fabf9
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: debian is going to switch back to kdesupport phonon, can we do the same?
[20:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm ready for that, but we need an official decision :)
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: they already did so in git: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=summary
[20:35] <Lex79> I know, I already merge in my compy :)
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> could you add the patch I linked to too, please?
[20:36] <Lex79> ok
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> fixes a very annoying bug in k3bg
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> *k3b
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[20:40] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: btw Phonon now is in gitorious http://gitorious.org/phonon
[20:40] <Lex79> they will drop from kdesupport
[20:41] <Lex79> just for your curiosity :)
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> ya, I've been keeping an eye on it
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> hopefully that will make it more likely to have stable releases before new KDE versions :s
[20:42] <Lex79> :)
[22:00] <apachelogger> crimsun: oh well, I thought it might be doable at software level too (after all to me it only apears as using a tee from in to out and software)
[22:01] <apachelogger> but if it is hardware dependent it is all the same to me, as long as the bug does not clot poor old kdemultimedias bug list ;)
[22:02] <crimsun> apachelogger: heh :-)
[22:10] <fale> hi
[22:10] <fale> I was looking into kubuntu-meta
[22:10] <fale> and I've seen that it depends from hal
[22:11] <fale> (the lucid one, I'm looking into)
[22:11] <fale> lucid wasn't planned to be hal free?
[22:43] <Riddell> fale: KDE still needs hal
[22:43] <fale> Riddell: than kubuntu lucid will have hal?
[22:43] <fale> *then
[22:44] <Riddell> QED
[22:45] <fale> what are you trying to demostrate?
[22:55] <ryanakca> fale: Kubuntu Lucid needs KDE. KDE still needs hal. Therefore Kubuntu Lucid will have hal.
[23:00] <txwikinger2> hi ryanakca
[23:00] <ryanakca> Hi txwikinger2