| MTecknology | Please enable the 'multiverse' component in /etc/apt/source.list' | 02:06 |
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| MTecknology | s/source/sources/ ** | 02:06 |
| MTecknology | be nice if it said which line it wanted changed too | 02:07 |
| MTecknology | Need to get 438MB of archives. After unpacking 1,210MB will be used. | 02:11 |
| MTecknology | wow | 02:11 |
| wgrant | Add "-o Apt::Install-Recommends=no" to the apt-get command line.; | 02:12 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: little bit of a difference :P | 02:18 |
| MTecknology | Any ideas what went wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/380738/ | 03:43 |
| wgrant | MTecknology: You didn't follow the instructions. | 03:44 |
| wgrant | You have not run launchpad-database-setup | 03:44 |
| MTecknology | ./utilities/launchpad-database-setup | 03:46 |
| MTecknology | I rtan that | 03:46 |
| MTecknology | I ran it wrong..... | 03:46 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: thanks | 03:46 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: so now that it's running I go to http://launchpad.dev and I see "It works!" | 03:57 |
| wgrant | MTecknology: You probably haven't restarted Apache sufficiently. | 03:58 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: I ran /etc/init.d/apache2 stop before runni make run; I only installed openssh-server and vim before running that script | 04:00 |
| wgrant | MTecknology: ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled | 04:01 |
| wgrant | Do Zopeless emails not get send at all in the dev config? | 04:38 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: I said that in this channel too - just use your imagination :P | 04:39 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/380760/ | 04:40 |
| wgrant | MTecknology: That worked fine. | 04:40 |
| wgrant | The appserver is running. | 04:40 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: I just meant line 24,25 | 04:41 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: but I can' | 04:41 |
| MTecknology | t get to it.. | 04:41 |
| wgrant | MTecknology: What does launchpad.dev say now? | 04:42 |
| MTecknology | Unable to connect | 04:42 |
| MTecknology | I put an entry in my hosts file '192.168.1.6 launchpad.dev' | 04:42 |
| wgrant | Don't you mean 127.0.0.1 launchpad.dev? | 04:42 |
| wgrant | Er, 127.0.0.88 launchpad.dev | 04:43 |
| wgrant | rocketfuel-setup also does all that for you. | 04:43 |
| MTecknology | I'm running that in a remote vm | 04:44 |
| wgrant | Ah. Then you'll need to alter the Apache configuration to listen on a non-loopback interface. | 04:44 |
| MTecknology | oh | 04:44 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: wow.. that's a massive apache config | 04:48 |
| wgrant | It's not that big.. | 04:48 |
| MTecknology | the ones I use for websites are generally 50 or less | 04:49 |
| wgrant | Yes, but Launchpad isn't a website. | 04:49 |
| wgrant | It's a horribly oversized behemoth of a web application. | 04:49 |
| MTecknology | :P | 04:49 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: kinda too bad you can't have a core then a different web app for each of the services available | 04:51 |
| MTecknology | like bugs, answers, etc. | 04:52 |
| wgrant | Indeed. | 04:52 |
| MTecknology | 20 different bzr branches put together in a careful manner so they're all inner-twined; looks messy :P | 04:54 |
| wgrant | Huh? | 04:55 |
| MTecknology | find . -name .bzr | wc -l | 04:56 |
| MTecknology | 20 branches | 04:56 |
| wgrant | One main branch, and 19 external dependencies. | 04:56 |
| wgrant | Because somebody hates using packages. | 04:57 |
| MTecknology | oh | 04:57 |
| wgrant | See sourcecode/ | 04:57 |
| wgrant | Those are all external deps, not part of LP. | 04:57 |
| wgrant | Except launchpad-loggerhead, but that one's just strange. | 04:57 |
| MTecknology | 1.1GB of launchpad source and deps :P | 04:59 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: I think you guys should release a version that handles users, teams, and branches :P | 05:05 |
| * wgrant is not really a Launchpad guy. | 05:05 | |
| MTecknology | I think the launchpad guys should do that :P | 05:06 |
| MTecknology | That's the part I really want to dig around in | 05:07 |
| MTecknology | wgrant: thanks for the help | 05:29 |
| mwhudson | launchpad-loggerhead should just be part of the lp tree | 10:15 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: I thought I heard talk about it maybe being moved soon after the open sourcing. | 10:18 |
| mwhudson | possibly from me! | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | mostly a matter of tuits plus a little making sure things don't fall over on rollout | 10:19 |
| wgrant | Yeah. | 10:19 |
| thekorn | ahrscheinlich zu kalt ;) | 11:54 |
| thekorn | upps, soory | 11:54 |
| Pilky | beuno: ping | 15:23 |
| mwhudson | morning | 18:57 |
| mwhudson | erg | 19:02 |
| thumper | morning | 19:58 |
| Pilky | anyone around who does (or is interested) UI/UX/Usability stuff on launchpad, wanted to discuss some ideas I'd had | 20:33 |
| thumper | Pilky: what sort of ideas have you had? | 20:44 |
| Pilky | well a while ago I posted some minor UI change mockups to the list, but I've been working on mocking up some more dramatic changes, aimed at making the UI far more approachable | 20:45 |
| thumper | Pilky: interestingly we've recently changed some ways we are dealing with ui changes | 20:46 |
| thumper | Pilky: the way to get the main designers to look at it is to post to the launchpad-dev mailing list with [RFC-UI | 20:46 |
| thumper | damn | 20:46 |
| thumper | [RFC-UI] in the subject | 20:46 |
| Pilky | ok cool | 20:46 |
| thumper | Pilky: this will get the right people looking and commenting | 20:46 |
| Pilky | thanks for the advice, I'll send a post now | 20:47 |
| thumper | ok | 20:47 |
| wgrant | When was that change announced? | 21:18 |
| wgrant | Ah, there. | 21:21 |
| Pilky | thumper: I've posted to the list if you're interested | 21:33 |
| thumper | Pilky: ok, cool | 21:33 |
| wgrant | Are there no provisions to put aside some regular amount time in each team for polish? | 21:35 |
| thumper | wgrant: yes there is, it is called slack :) | 21:35 |
| wgrant | This sort of thing seems to be common: | 21:35 |
| wgrant | 1) Release big new unpolished feature of complete UI overhaul. | 21:36 |
| wgrant | 2) People file bugs about all these trivial but glaring UI issues. | 21:36 |
| wgrant | 3) These bugs sit around for three years. | 21:36 |
| wgrant | s/of/or/ | 21:37 |
| Pilky | wgrant: I think the main UI issues with launchpad aren't really trivial | 21:38 |
| wgrant | Pilky: No, but there are lots that are. | 21:40 |
| Pilky | the core issue is that it has one of the least appealing and approachable UIs out of all the major code hosting sites | 21:40 |
| wgrant | Those are the ones that are obviously bad. | 21:40 |
| Pilky | oh yeah there's lots of things like that | 21:40 |
| Pilky | but what I've tried in the mockups I posted to the list is to fix the core problem | 21:40 |
| Pilky | w | 21:40 |
| Pilky | which in turn fixes some of the trivial problems | 21:41 |
| wgrant | I mean things like bug #524322. | 21:41 |
| mup | Bug #524322: Excessive gaps in branch subscriber portlet <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/524322> | 21:41 |
| wgrant | It should have been starting every Launchpad developer in the face for months. | 21:41 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: i can honestly say i've never noticed that bug | 21:42 |
| wgrant | Intriguing. | 21:42 |
| Pilky | how is the UI actually managed for launchpad, is there someone who does all the UI work, or is it up to the team working on a feature? | 21:43 |
| Pilky | because there are some really good bits of UI dotted around launchpad, eg the icons next to links | 21:43 |
| * wgrant likes the mockups. | 21:44 | |
| Pilky | but they can be right next to some bad bits of UI | 21:44 |
| wgrant | Launchpad no longer has a UI designer. | 21:44 |
| jml | Pilky, Launchpad is a massive application that has been developed for five years. | 21:44 |
| wgrant | jml: But the important templates were completely redesigned 6 months ago. | 21:44 |
| Pilky | jml: yeah I appreciate the size of launchpad | 21:45 |
| jml | wgrant, which is still only a fraction of the UI. It's much, much more than templates. | 21:45 |
| wgrant | The really important one (the home page) was, as I recall, designed a couple of days before release by one person. | 21:45 |
| wgrant | jml: True. | 21:46 |
| Pilky | jml: but the issue is the current UI makes it seem like a big application, which can seem quite daunting | 21:46 |
| Pilky | I don't believe powerful has to mean complicated :) | 21:46 |
| jml | Pilky, the way things work is that the team working on the feature tends to drive most of the stuff, UI mockups get circulated and commented on. We used to have a UI guy dedicated to us, but now we don't, so we work with them. | 21:46 |
| jml | Pilky, sure, I completely agree. | 21:46 |
| jml | Pilky, I'm just saying that observing properties of the UI and trying to guess how we do our UI work based on that is going to be fraught with peril :) | 21:47 |
| Pilky | heh ok | 21:47 |
| Pilky | but I'd definitely like to help out UI wise | 21:47 |
| Pilky | hence me doing these mockups | 21:48 |
| jml | Pilky, which are much appreciated. | 21:48 |
| jml | (although I haven't looked at these last ones, I'm at a Twisted sprint atm and ignoring large chunks of my mail) | 21:49 |
| Pilky | heh | 21:49 |
| jml | Pilky, the fact that the new user experience of Launchpad is so bad has been bugging me for a while now | 21:50 |
| Pilky | yeah, I think the main reason for that is the hassle of creating a new project | 21:51 |
| Pilky | I have lots of smaller open source projects that I'd like to put on launchpad, but I just zip the source and upload to my server because it is less hassle | 21:51 |
| jml | Pilky, that's certainly one aspect, I'm not sure it's the main one | 21:52 |
| jml | Pilky, sinzui & co. are working on project registration stuff soon | 21:53 |
| jml | Pilky, see https://dev.launchpad.net/RoadMap | 21:53 |
| Pilky | hmm | 21:56 |
| Pilky | well setting up a project was one of the next things I was going to look at mocking up next weekend. | 21:57 |
| wgrant | Wow, BranchRevision really has a full record of every revision in every branch? That is absolutely insane. | 21:57 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: ya think? | 21:58 |
| thumper | wgrant: is someone landing your branches for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/509892 | 21:59 |
| mup | Bug #509892: Store upload log for SourcePackageRecipeBuilds <wellington> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:In Progress by wgrant> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/509892> | 21:59 |
| Pilky | Anyway I'm heading offline, thanks for the info and feedback! :) | 22:01 |
| Pilky | night | 22:01 |
| wgrant | thumper: No. There's a successor that is currently in review, but I need to talk to Julian about it. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/sprb-new-model-columns/+merge/19172 is good to land, if you could do the honours. | 22:04 |
| thumper | wgrant: I've assigned your work to 10.02 | 22:04 |
| thumper | wgrant: that one is dependant on an earlier one, all good to go? | 22:05 |
| thumper | wgrant: can I trust you to not push extra unreviewed revisions? | 22:06 |
| wgrant_ | thumper: Hopefully. | 22:06 |
| thumper | :) | 22:06 |
| === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant | ||
| thumper | wgrant: you need a commit message on the merge proposal | 22:08 |
| wgrant | thumper: Fixed, sorry. | 22:09 |
| wgrant | (The squeak-vm thing he speaks of is in Launchpad as an Ubuntu package only.) | 22:12 |
| thumper | wgrant: ec2 landing your work | 22:12 |
| wgrant | thumper: Thanks. | 22:12 |
| * mwhudson officially doesn't care about this #launchpad conversation any more | 22:12 | |
| lifeless | sinzui: are you around per-chance? you seem to be the reviewer than made the 'squeak' project inactive; keithy is active there and wants to use lp for some stuff | 22:18 |
| thumper | what's the easy way to get a launchpadlib object linked to edge? | 22:31 |
| thumper | isn't there a one liner or something? | 22:31 |
| wgrant | Launchpad.login_anonymously('some consumer', 'https://api.edge.launchpad.net/') | 22:32 |
| lifeless | wgrant: lp.load() ? | 22:32 |
| wgrant | lifeless: That grabs an object from the webservice using an existing launchpadlib connection. | 22:33 |
| thumper | wgrant: gah, where is the Launchpad class? | 22:34 |
| wgrant | thumper: launchpadlib.launchpad.Launchpad | 22:34 |
| wgrant | Also, you can use launchpadlib.launchpad.EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT rather than the magic URL. | 22:35 |
| thumper | wgrant: I don't have login_anonymously | 22:36 |
| * thumper wonders why not | 22:36 | |
| wgrant | thumper: You are on Karmic. | 22:36 |
| thumper | wgrant: yes I am | 22:36 |
| james_w | 'edge' works instead of EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT on newer releases too | 22:36 |
| wgrant | thumper: Use Launchpad's launchpadlib, or Launchpad.get_token_and_login('some consumer', EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT) | 22:37 |
| thumper | wgrant: using login_with | 22:38 |
| wgrant | Or that. | 22:38 |
| thumper | WTF? | 22:38 |
| thumper | 404 | 22:38 |
| thumper | on the token | 22:38 |
| thumper | grr | 22:38 |
| thumper | GRRR | 22:39 |
| lifeless | wgrant: if load requires an existing connection, it wanting an absolute url is at odds with its core | 22:39 |
| wgrant | lifeless: It needs to be authenticated (if only anonymously), so it needs to be run on an existing object. | 22:41 |
| * wgrant headdesks. | 22:42 | |
| lifeless | wgrant: ? | 22:43 |
| wgrant | #lp | 22:43 |
| thumper | my version of launchpadlib isn't working :( | 22:48 |
| wgrant | thumper: What's it not doing? | 22:48 |
| wgrant | Still 404ing? | 22:48 |
| thumper | yeah | 22:48 |
| * thumper tries bin/py | 22:49 | |
| wgrant | What was the request URL? | 22:49 |
| thumper | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/381232/ | 22:51 |
| thumper | wgrant: any ideas? | 22:51 |
| wgrant | thumper: Does EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT by any change have /beta on end? | 22:52 |
| wgrant | Mine doesn't, but this new version might be version-aware. | 22:52 |
| wgrant | Yes, Karmic's needs the /beta. | 22:53 |
| thumper | yes | 22:53 |
| mwhudson | jml: didn't you fix the default on ec2 test to be --headless? | 23:01 |
| jml | mwhudson, no :( I included that fix as part of my subunit-by-default branch, which I haven't landed. | 23:04 |
| thumper | mwhudson: I don't think the default was headless | 23:05 |
| mwhudson | thumper: it's not | 23:05 |
| jml | mwhudson, I'm still shaving that yak. | 23:05 |
| mwhudson | thumper: but i know i talked to someone about changing it | 23:05 |
| mwhudson | jml: ah ok | 23:05 |
| thumper | ok | 23:05 |
| * thumper runs to collect maia | 23:05 | |
| * wgrant wishes that there were WIP MPs for all branches. | 23:13 | |
| beuno | wgrant, me too | 23:18 |
| beuno | thumper too | 23:18 |
| beuno | someday! | 23:18 |
| wgrant | A good first step would be to allow me to create a WIP MP without spamming everybody. | 23:19 |
| wgrant | For now it seems to email people just like a normal MP :( | 23:19 |
| beuno | that should be easy-ish to do, no? | 23:19 |
| wgrant | Very probably. | 23:20 |
| beuno | I'm sure thumper can hack that up in 5 minutes when he gets back | 23:21 |
| beuno | tests included | 23:21 |
| wgrant | Does Zopeless mail get entirely dropped in the dev config? | 23:23 |
| wgrant | It doesn't seem to go anywhere that I can find. | 23:23 |
| beuno | I don't know anything about that area | 23:24 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: thumper is working on that this cycle | 23:24 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Yay. | 23:25 |
| mwhudson | wgrant, beuno: but you need to stop treating the initial comment as the description | 23:25 |
| mwhudson | or the mail that gets sent out when you do ask it for review will very likely not be useful | 23:25 |
| wgrant | Right. | 23:25 |
| mwhudson | so that's what he's actually working on now | 23:25 |
| beuno | perfect, solved | 23:26 |
| beuno | mwhudson, so he's finally moving the description into it's own field? | 23:26 |
| mwhudson | beuno: yeah | 23:26 |
| beuno | super great | 23:26 |
| wgrant | Very good. | 23:26 |
| beuno | I've experienced using MPs differently this week | 23:27 |
| beuno | so I've felt some pains I haven't before :) | 23:27 |
| mwhudson | :) | 23:29 |
| mwhudson | you should talk to thumper about them i guess | 23:30 |
| * mwhudson lunches | 23:30 | |
| wgrant | beuno: BTW, I really hope that U1 Notes fix hasn't been rolled out, because it's still an issue. | 23:30 |
| beuno | wgrant, the part I did has, that part that blanks your notes hasn't | 23:31 |
| beuno | I basically removed the auto-save function that was broken in many ways | 23:31 |
| wgrant | I meant bug 452689. | 23:31 |
| beuno | ah | 23:32 |
| beuno | right | 23:32 |
| beuno | I think I flipped that my mistake | 23:32 |
| beuno | wgrant, can you check on edge? | 23:32 |
| wgrant | edge.o.u.c? | 23:32 |
| beuno | yessir | 23:32 |
| wgrant | beuno: Still buggy. | 23:33 |
| beuno | hrm | 23:33 |
| beuno | wgrant, can you comment on the bug? the fix should be on edge | 23:33 |
| wgrant | It probably has been fixed. Just not properly. | 23:33 |
| beuno | that would be good to know ASAP :) | 23:33 |
| * wgrant sighs. | 23:34 | |
| wgrant | The other one is still fixed, though. Good. | 23:36 |
| beuno | maybe it didnt roll out to edge | 23:36 |
| beuno | it was a crazy week | 23:36 |
| * wgrant cannot work out how to save a contact. | 23:38 | |
| beuno | I'm not super sure you can today :) | 23:38 |
| wgrant | So it has an edit form with lots of nice inputs, but no save functionality. I see. | 23:38 |
| beuno | I started a week ago, give me time | 23:39 |
| * wgrant needs multiple prereq branches :( | 23:57 | |
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