[00:00] everybody sleeping here? [00:01] maybe I should give you something to discuss ;) [00:01] some of you know that I am trying to implement that portal server for schools [00:01] anyway this is more a general question [00:01] about files and directories. [00:01] it happens that a student or teacher wants to share files with others. [00:02] this is possible in a very static way: an admin creates a group for "Course 12 - Biochemistry" for example, creates /group/biochem and sets rw permissions for the group to it. [00:03] how could we do that in a more dynamic way on a unix like platform? [00:03] I mean: a teacher or student should be able to found an interest group of a bunch of other users and himself and share files with them. [00:04] without needing to ask an admin to add a system group and a folder and set the required permissions [00:04] have u got any ideas/thoughts? I have posix acls in mind, but never really played around with that. [00:20] If you're talking about storing on an actual unix filesystem, there's no real way to get around adding groups, and needing priviledge to chmod directories. [00:21] If you want to dynamically add files into a database, store them as blobs, then provide access to them through a web page, that can be more dynamic. [00:21] You could also possibly provide access to the files in a unix-like filesystem manner through FUSE, from the database. [00:23] he he [00:23] same thought ;) [00:23] sbalneav, my idea was to store the data somewhere in the fs, but store the permissions in a database [00:24] so on unix, all the files and dirs would be owned by www-data [00:24] which is not that nice [00:24] but probably the only way [00:25] No, I'd just store them in the database. [00:25] and then write some fuse stuff to mount it locally and export it with sftp or whatever [00:25] why? [00:25] Why not? [00:25] 80 gigs in a database? [00:26] I've got 450 gigs at work [00:26] PostgreSQL can handle terabytes. [00:26] cool :) [00:26] and how do u backup that stuff? [00:28] We back it up with just the standard Postgres backup tools. [00:28] snapshot off to a tarfile, then rsync to do offsite backups. [00:28] we're getting to the point where we'd want to implement mirroring. [00:30] doesn't that result in one big 450 gig tar file? :) [00:31] most schools have these slow dsl connections so we'd need to make sure that we minimize the amount that is uploaded to the offsite backup [00:31] but I guess postgres can do some incremental stuff as well [00:32] to get a tar with only the stuff that changed since yesterday or so === mhall119|work is now known as mhall119|SCaLE8x === joerg_ is now known as joerg [15:11] Morning all [15:34] evneing [15:37] afternoon [15:39] nautilus is doing strange things ;) [15:40] joerg: the file sharing problem is something I've come across too [15:40] when mounting a webdav folder [15:41] vmlintu, I have just implemented a basic filesystem in the database of my web app thing [15:41] to do the file sharing stuff [15:41] the only remaining pain is webdav [15:42] davfs2 mounts it and it works [15:42] but nautilus doesn't want it. [15:42] very very strange [15:42] actually the webdav-url is http://localhost:8000/fs/dav/joerg [15:42] nautilus and webdav have always given me trouble when using apache+mod_dav [15:42] nautilus does an OPTIONS request on that path [15:42] then a PROPFIND [15:43] and after that, it does the same thing on /fs1/dav [15:43] which fails because that url is not webdav enabeld. [15:44] mabe nautilus doesn't like it if it is not the root dir of the web server [15:46] maybe I should ask the gnome guys?! [16:09] !info icedtea6-plugin jaunty [16:10] icedtea6-plugin (source: openjdk-6): web browser plugin based on OpenJDK and IcedTea to execute Java applets. In component main, is extra. Version 6b14-1.4.1-0ubuntu12 (jaunty), package size 75 kB, installed size 292 kB [16:10] Ha! LTSP 5.2 made slashdot. [16:10] !info icedtea6-plugin hardy [16:11] Package icedtea6-plugin does not exist in hardy [21:51] sbalneav: seen this before? http://thechive.com/2010/02/22/epic-church-in-spain-19-photos/ [21:59] highvoltage: That's Gaudi's church right? [22:00] Sagrada Famillia? [22:00] (I think) [22:01] sbalneav: I don't know. aparently they started building it like, 200 years ago and it will only be finished in another 20 years [22:01] 16 years, at least [22:11] looks like castle greyskull!