[00:02] <melodie_> bn
[00:03] <jpapertowel> will liquorix kernel work if i apt-get it from sid liquorix repo on lucid?
[00:13] <RAOF> jpapertowel: Who knows?  Try it and see.  It'll be totally unsupported, though.
[00:24] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Pingity ping.  How's nouveau working for you?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> RAOF: seems it aint that good
[00:25] <BUGabundo> he can't reply back :D
[00:28] <syn-ack> what's liquorix?
[00:36] <syn-ack> hrm, I thought Ubuntu released Xen Kernels already
[00:50] <jpapertowel> uhh, does anyone know how to delete a software raid from the alternate cd? I don't want to have to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda and wait 9 hours :(
[00:51] <penguin42> jpapertowel: That will work, just ctrl-c it after a few seconds - it's the stuff right at the start
[00:52] <jpapertowel> penguin42: yeah, I tried that, lol, both disks say they don't even have a partition table and yet the software raid is still there
[00:52] <penguin42> after a reboot? Weird...  And that's on sda itself?
[00:52] <penguin42> (You are sure it's sda and you haven't just wiped some random USB key)
[00:52] <jpapertowel> penguin42: absolutely sure
[00:53] <jo-erlend> jpapertowel, you just want to remove a disk from an array?
[00:53] <jo-erlend> jpapertowel, this seems offtopic for this channel though. I think #ubuntu-server is the correct context for that question.
[00:54] <jpapertowel> jo-erlend: I just want to blank the disks like they're new, but the ubuntu installer still claims there's a software raid going on though for some reason and won't even let me create a partition table
[00:54] <jpapertowel> figures i'll try to reboot
[00:54] <jo-erlend> jpapertowel, read ubuntu server guide. It will tell you how to remove a disk from an array.
[00:55] <jo-erlend> you should do that with mdadm.
[00:55] <penguin42> jpapertowel: So dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd? bs=1024k count=10   should nuke the start of the disk, do that to both of them, reboot and see if it's still there
[00:55] <penguin42> and be careful with that command!
[00:56] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps metadata goes in host-protected-area?
[00:57] <DanaG> I know on my laptop, the RAID metadata can only be cleared via dmraid utils or via BIOS thingy.
[00:57] <penguin42> jpapertowel: That's a good point - is it normal mdraid or is it a software raid controller?
[00:58] <jpapertowel> mdadm on a software raid controller
[00:58] <jpapertowel> rebooting worked :D
[00:59] <jo-erlend> jono, offtopic for this channel, but I just came to think of it. Translations. Should we use launchpad or not? I'm getting so many mixed messages, I haven't done any work on it for a long time, but I really want to.
[00:59] <jono> jo-erlend, for translating Ubuntu?
[00:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, hdparm -Z
[00:59] <DanaG> or was it -z?
[00:59] <jono> jo-erlend, I would recommend using LP for translating any app :)
[00:59] <DanaG> for "reread partition table"
[00:59] <jono> Rosetta is awesome!
[01:02] <RAOF> Launchpad: Use it as early and as often as possible.
[01:02] <jo-erlend> jono, it is. But people are telling me it's wasted. That is won't be used, or it will be used by ubuntu for one release, but not by upstream and so it won't be used in the next ubuntu release, and stuff like that. In any case, I think a message from you to ubuntu-desktop or something, would be nice.
[01:02]  * RAOF is beginning to doubt the wisdom of hot mince pies given 34℃ ambient temperature.
[01:02] <penguin42> RAOF: Send the 34c temperature over here please - it's -2c at the moment here
[01:02] <jono> jo-erlend, can you give me some specific links to such griping?
[01:03] <jono> jo-erlend, we always use translations in Ubuntu
[01:03] <jono> and we ship them across multiple releases
[01:03] <jpapertowel> well, it looks like i have to zero write the whole drive to get rid of this stupid software raid bug
[01:03] <jo-erlend> jono, no, because it's a while back. But I've been trying to ask people how to contribute translations, and lots of people are uncertain about this.
[01:03] <jono> jo-erlend, can you email David Planella about this?
[01:03] <penguin42> jpapertowel: Why?
[01:04] <jo-erlend> jono, I don't think I can provide any more information about this than I already have though.
[01:04] <jono> jo-erlend, ok
[01:04] <jpapertowel> penguin42: i rebooted and when i got to the partition maker thing, i created a partition table and BAM the stupid software raid swap at the end of the drive reappeared
[01:04] <jpapertowel> penguin42: the installer throws up errors when i try to delete it
[01:05] <penguin42> jpapertowel: Ah I see, when you've partitioned, dd over each of the partitions individually before you blat the partition table
[01:05] <penguin42> jpapertowel: The problem is as soon as you put the partition table there it can find the old md superblocks
[01:06] <jpapertowel> so I have to dd alllllll 4 TB?
[01:06] <penguin42> jpapertowel: No!
[01:06] <penguin42> jpapertowel: Create your partitions, then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 bs=1024k count=1   then do sda2 etc
[01:06] <jpapertowel> penguin42: okay
[01:06] <jo-erlend> jpapertowel, are you in lucid?
[01:07] <jpapertowel> jo-erlend: yes
[01:07] <jpapertowel> i don't know how to create the partitions
[01:07] <jpapertowel> i'm not allowed to create anything with the software raid still in existence
[01:08] <penguin42> jpapertowel: Heck then you may as wlel dd the lot - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd? bs=1024k will be a lot faster than without the bs
[01:08] <penguin42> jpapertowel: It should manage ~100MB/second on a decent drive
[01:09] <jpapertowel> it'll be an average of 120MB/s on mine but there's no way i'm waiting 20 or so hours :(
[01:10] <penguin42> jpapertowel: OK, do the dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024k count=1  and when you create your partitions make them slightly different sizes to what they used to be - that way it won't pick up the old partitions
[01:11] <jpapertowel> is there a way i can dd just the last 5 GB of each drive?
[01:11] <penguin42> hmm, last 5GB
[01:12] <penguin42> well, two ways, if you create a partition 5GB from the end and dd that partition, or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd? bs=1024k count=5000ish seek=offset from start in MB
[01:13] <jpapertowel> penguin42: i take that as a no, since i can't create partitions
[01:14] <penguin42> jpapertowel: OK, then follow the stuff after the 'or'
[01:14] <jpapertowel> too much math
[01:15]  * penguin42 would create the partition manually on the command line
[01:17] <jpapertowel> why isn't there a way to make it not search for it :(
[01:17] <penguin42> it's probably just being a bit too smart (file a bug!) - but seriously, easiest fix is just to make the partitions start at a slightly different point
[01:20] <jpapertowel> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 seek=763084?
[01:22] <penguin42> 1024k more likely - i.e. 1M chunks
[01:22] <jpapertowel> 1024k invalid argument
[01:23] <penguin42> 1024k works here
[01:23] <jpapertowel> nor does 1024000 work
[01:25] <penguin42> you must have a typo somewhere else
[01:25] <jpapertowel> guarantee you i don't
[01:25] <penguin42> guarantee you I've done that loads of times
[01:28] <jpapertowel> ~ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024k seek=2091909120
[01:28] <jpapertowel> dd: /dev/sdb: Invalid argument
[01:28] <jpapertowel> oops
[01:28] <jpapertowel> i put TB instead of GB
[01:34] <jpapertowel> ok i cant get this to work so i think i should just go back to windows which seems to have much less bugs than ubuntu
[01:37] <Nitsuga> jpapertowel, is that some sort of social engineering to make us help you?
[01:38] <Amaranth> Nitsuga: It always is
[01:38] <penguin42> jpapertowel: If you take my one piece of advice to just make the partition sizes slightly different then it will ignore any broken raids - I made that advice about an hour ago now
[01:38] <jpapertowel> how do I make them :(
[01:39] <penguin42> jpapertowel: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd? bs=1024k count=1 for both drives, reboot, then create your partitions - but make them each a bit smaller than you had before
[01:39] <penguin42> actually make that count=10 - that'll get rid of anything near the beginning
[01:40] <jpapertowel> i tried that the raid crap comes back right after i initialized an msdos table and it won't let me make any partitions at all
[01:40] <Amaranth> why is there any RAID stuff there at all?
[01:40] <jpapertowel> because i'm trying to set up software raid0 :/
[01:41] <Antisoche> RAID0 ?
[01:41] <jpapertowel> it like the disk read/write speed it's good for high disk usage games
[01:41] <Antisoche> ok.  It also increases the failure rate 100%
[01:42] <jpapertowel> what's the chance of one of my hard drives failing
[01:42] <penguin42> it's pretty common
[01:42] <Nitsuga> jpapertowel, it's no one of your hard drives
[01:42] <jpapertowel> last hard drive i had lasted me 5 years
[01:43] <Antisoche> There are only two types of hard drives: those that have failed and those that will
[01:43] <Nitsuga> it's ANY cluster of your hard drive
[01:43] <jpapertowel> either way i got my newegg warranty so who cares
[01:43] <Amaranth> backups ftw
[01:43] <Antisoche> Yeah, newegg isn't going to restore your data.  As long as you only put 'temporary' stuff on it, it's fine.
[01:44] <jpapertowel> google stores all my non temporary stuff, i <3 google
[01:45] <Antisoche> Just asking to be sure you're doing what you want to do.  RAID0 is great for NLV editing, for example, but RAID1 gives you the same read performance of RAID0 (at the cost of slower writes) but also actual reliability.
[01:46] <jpapertowel> the only thing i care about being reliable is grub
[01:46] <Antisoche> You're making '/' RAID 0?
[01:47] <jpapertowel> yeah, but I have a /boot partition outside of raid
[01:47] <jpapertowel> I bet I still won't be able to install grub though
[02:04] <jpapertowel> holy crap grub installed!
[02:07] <jpapertowel> unsuccessfully though, i give up, I boot my system and GRUB Loading... could not write bytes: Broken pipe
[02:09] <jpapertowel> thanks for at least attempting to help guys, i'm back to windows forever
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> !info emerald
[02:49] <voidmage> might be a dumb question, but if i'm looking at software center and click a category, how do i get back to the home page?
[02:51] <ZykoticK9> voidmage, "Get Free Software" at the top - beside the category title you are in
[03:18] <metricpiano> I'm having a weird video display problem.  Anyone care to run robots and see whether they move smoothly, or the whole board redraws (e.g. all robots disappear and then reappear in their new spot)... it makes the game hard to follow and is most obvious when wait is used)?
[03:21] <Takyoji> Just grabbed a daily build of the LiveCD, installed it on USB, and apparently after I arrange my partition setup in the installer, and click Forward, I get an error titled "Invalid username (as superuser)" with content of "The username you have entered is invalid. Note that usernames must start with lower-case letter, which can be followed by any combination of numbers and more lower-caser letters"
[03:21] <Takyoji> Should I report that, or?
[03:22] <Takyoji> or grab the daily ISO build tomorrow, and if the issue persists, then report it?
[03:22] <metricpiano> You could grab an older build and verify it's not happening... but I think you should report when in doubt
[03:23] <metricpiano> otherwise they might not know to fix it...
[03:27] <Takyoji> or perhaps I could contact a mailing list?
[03:47] <metricpiano> !resolution > metricpiano
[03:50] <metricpiano> !resolution > metricpiano
[03:50] <ZykoticK9> metricpiano, if you want to see a factoid (without it showing up in the channel) you can use "/msg ubottu !foo"
[03:51] <metricpiano> ha, I was typing /msg ubotto
[03:51] <metricpiano> and couldn't understand why it wasn't working
[03:57] <cwillu> metricpiano, that's a configurable option iirc
[03:59] <cwillu> what's the command line for robots?  I removed it from my menu a while ago
[04:02] <cwillu> metricpiano, on karmic, gnobots2 has no animation, it just updates each turn
[04:02] <cwillu> there's no option, that's just how it works
[04:38] <h00k> Wait, is 10.04 getting RGBA Support, or is it not?
[04:38] <om26er> h00k, no
[04:38] <h00k> om26er: that's what I thought
[04:38] <Takyoji> Next release
[04:39] <Takyoji> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/enable-rgba-window-transparency-in.html
[04:39] <Takyoji> "Before trying this please remember that there is a reason this support was postponed until Lucid+1. It's not polished, it doesn't work properly with every applications and some applications flat-out refuse to run at all with it!"
[04:39] <om26er> h00k, although its getting client side window decoration (that I don't understand)
[04:40] <h00k> Because this was linked from the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter: http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2010/02/5-new-things-about-windows-8-and-ubuntu.html
[04:41] <h00k> One of which under Ubuntu claims RGBA
[04:44]  * om26er hopes ubuntu to be the first to use RGBA
[04:45] <h00k> It also makes obsurd claims about the Software Center
[04:47] <om26er> h00k, and what's the claim
[04:48] <h00k> om26er: from the article linked: When 10.04 releases, the Ubuntu Software Center will finally take over as the sole installation tool for Ubuntu. Synaptic, GDebi, and even the update manager will all be replaced by USC. Hopefully USC will include the ability to install more than one piece of software at a time.
[04:48] <om26er> h00k, well that's not gonna happen for Lucid but still software center will be far poweful that before
[04:50] <h00k> om26er: that's what I'm hearing, yeah, I just think they should screen the links that are making claims like that :(
[04:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, random thought... I oughtta' try the beagleboard as thin-client.
[06:27] <DanaG> argh, no wonder my beagleboard is being so warm... it has the same stupid rsyslogd behavior, as well!
[06:27] <cef> DanaG: which behaviour?
[06:27] <DanaG> The eating 100% CPU.
[06:28] <cef> is there a bug for that?
[06:30] <DanaG> 100% of BOTH cpu cores on my laptop... and two threads each with 50% on my beagleboard.
[06:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/523610
[06:35] <cef> DanaG: ouch!
[06:38] <DanaG> ach, mein CPU!
[06:49] <hifi> had to stop rsyslogd service
[06:59] <DanaG> argh, for some reason, my systray area has become really, really really really huge.
[06:59] <DanaG> So huge, it's pushed my Firefox shortcut UNDER my menus!
[07:34] <Speedy2> www.search2.net
[07:34] <vish> onone click that link^
[07:37] <zniavre> i tried it ....
[07:45] <alvin> Will Ubuntu 10.04 have /tmp as tmpfs?
[09:18] <cwillu_at_work> god, could they make setting up ppa's with key signing any more annoying from the console?
[09:19] <nzmm> hey wondering if people are finding gedit sluggish
[09:19] <nzmm> ?
[09:19] <cwillu_at_work> hide the details, then make the signing key clickable so you can't select it to copy and paste, and then put the command line command on a different page altogether
[09:19] <cwillu_at_work> nzmm, not terribly; saving to remote filesystems can be slow though
[09:20] <nzmm> for me text rendering is slow as is most of the interface, nvidia system
[09:20] <rww> cwillu_at_work: ssshhh, don't complain or they might fix it, and then even more people would use broken PPAs and cause support hell :(
[09:20] <nzmm> its the only prog affected
[09:20] <cwillu_at_work> rww, I can assure you that those people who use ppa's are not doing anything with key signing
[09:21] <rww> cwillu_at_work: good point, I saw "PPA" and snark mode turned itself on :(
[09:22] <cwillu_at_work> dah, not built for armel
[09:23] <kklimonda> cwillu_at_work: add-apt-repository "ppa:xyz/ppa" is annoying?
[09:24] <rww> hah, I'm not the only one who misread ;P
[09:24] <cwillu_at_work> kklimonda, when that's not the command listed on the ppa, yes :p
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> correct
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> the PPA should show the entire command
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> ppl don't guess the AAR part
[09:25] <kklimonda> it should be mentioned somewhere
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> nzmm: *everything* is slugish
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> its a gtk bug
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: should but its not
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> maybe in the HELP
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> but who reads that
[09:27] <cwillu_at_work> https://launchpad.net/+help/soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html still lists the manual method
[09:27] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: well - people who need help should read that :P
[09:29] <nzmm> BUGabundo_remote:  oh thanks for the info
[09:36] <perfection> hey, how are you all doing?
[09:37] <cwillu_at_work> I'm grumpy
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm sleepy
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> and you must be snoring
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> :p
[09:41] <perfection> what's happenin' here? evrybody sleepin' or?
[09:42] <screen-x> zzZ
[09:42] <nzmm> should be zzz-ing
[09:47] <BUGabundo_remote> zzzzzZZZ
[09:48] <cwillu_at_work> I hear ya
[09:48] <cwillu_at_work> ask your doctor if modafinil is right for you
[09:52]  * BUGabundo_remote <3 today's XKCD
[09:56] <perfection> guys another thing is how do i get engines that are used in themes? the likes of murrina, etc.
[10:00] <perfection> just like t-wayne, i cant believe this, i gtg, be in peace
[10:03] <kklimonda> yay. gtk+ fix has been uploaded
[10:04] <nzmm> kklimonda: gtk+ fix for the sluggishness?
[10:05] <kklimonda> for the excessive cpu usage
[10:05] <nzmm> oh yay
[10:05]  * BUGabundo_remote checks email
[10:05] <BUGabundo_remote> FINALLY then
[10:05] <BUGabundo_remote> why are all this ppl coming here with theme probs?
[10:06] <BUGabundo_remote> did we change all that much this cycle?
[10:06] <kklimonda> we did
[10:10] <eagles0513875> hey BUGabundo_remote
[10:22]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders how even ppl read his own old bugs
[10:22] <BUGabundo_remote> man I suck at describing stuff
[10:23] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/297523
[10:29] <Damascene> hello, did the lock screen function get fixed?
[10:29] <om26er> no
[10:31] <Damascene> is there an open bug for it?
[10:32] <om26er> Damascene, yes
[10:32]  * om26er finds
[10:32] <om26er> Damascene, bug#524860
[10:32] <om26er> bug 524860
[10:33] <Damascene> thank you
[10:33] <om26er> Damascene, np.. :)
[10:44] <ZykoticK9> does anyone happen to know if Sabnzbdplus 0.5 will be included with Lucid?  It's not for me it is a LP question.
[10:46] <om26er> ZykoticK9, open a bug report for it
[10:47] <om26er> ZykoticK9, [needs packaging] sabnzbdplus 0.5
[10:47] <ZykoticK9> om26er, again, it's not for me - thought I'd try asking here, then answering the
[10:47] <ZykoticK9> om26er, i'll suggest to the poster to enter a bug report :)
[11:01] <PascalFR> hello   toward what package can I report a bug for rescue mode beeing unusable ?
[11:21] <Damascene> PascalFR, maybe you should ask in ubuntu-bugs channel
[11:21] <kklimonda> PascalFR: what exactly doesn't work?
[11:25] <kklimonda> PascalFR: the package responsible for displaying a text menu is friendly-recovery
[11:26] <kklimonda> PascalFR: kernel bugs should be reported against linux package and problems related to the boot process against upstart
[11:46] <wirechief> can anyone get my nick un-banned from #ubuntu ? i have fixed my network problems.
[11:48] <rww> wirechief: ask in #ubuntu-ops
[11:49] <wirechief> thanks rww
[11:50] <PascalFR> kklimonda: the problem is the rescue screen is cluttered with upstart messages and going to the rescue shell is impossible because there are 2 competitors for stdin/stdout
[11:51] <Damascene> PascalFR, did the rescue menu appear?
[11:52] <PascalFR> yes  no problem  it appears correctly    then some console messages come  in the middle and then you cannot login on the maintenance shell
[11:52] <PascalFR> Damascene: one line of input on 2 is swallowed by another process
[11:53] <PascalFR> Damascene: the first cha entered is always swallowed etc
[11:53] <PascalFR> char
[11:53] <Damascene> I'm using Lucid and I can't reproduce
[11:53] <PascalFR> i am on karmic
[11:53] <Damascene> :S
[11:53] <Damascene> Karmic bugs are in ubuntu-bugs as far as I know
[11:54] <PascalFR> so i was querring  how can i report such a bug
[11:54] <Damascene> /j #ubuntu-bugs
[11:55] <PascalFR> ok
[12:02] <penguin42> hmm - the volume control panel app isn't playing ball today - won't slide, won't unmute - sound preferences is fine though
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> penguin42: got that last week
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> today is fine
[12:05] <penguin42> haven't done an update today yet
[12:06] <penguin42> is it indicator-sound-service?
[12:40] <om26er> well the gtk patch did not work.
[12:41] <zniavre> om26er,  for cpu usage or rgba stuff?
[12:42] <om26er> zniavre, yes, the latest update didnot fix it even
[12:42] <zniavre> that's right
[12:44] <om26er> ubottu, are you there?
[12:44] <zniavre> xorg process still too hight if im not minimize to tray somme apps
[12:44] <zniavre> some*
[13:11]  * om26er downgraded gtk
[13:14] <zniavre> om26er,  to wich version please ?
[13:14] <om26er> -ubuntu4
[13:14] <om26er> sorry 2
[13:17] <zniavre> :o)
[13:17] <zniavre> you ll need to downgrade 4 more packages no?
[13:18] <zniavre> there are still available somewhere ?
[13:18] <zniavre> they*
[13:26] <om26er> zniavre, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.19.5-1ubuntu2/+build/1505842
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:48] <zniavre> om26er,  thank you
[13:49]  * om26er is working on an experimental ppa for gtk
[14:44] <penguin42> oh look, the rsyslogd of doom
[15:09] <zniavre> om26er,  did you switch to old gtk libs ? is it solved ?
[15:20] <om26er> zniavre, yes its is
[15:20] <om26er> solved
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> what's used by gwibber to show notifications? I haven't get the bubles in a while!
[15:51] <penguin42> is anyone getting a lot of flicker when resizing gnome-terminals?
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> penguin42: gtk bug?
[15:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo_remote: Dunno, could be, could be driver
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> FYI gwibber now defaults to only show replies, so that's why I wasn't getting the notificans
[15:53] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's reported but I don't know bug number
[15:53] <penguin42> ok, not just me then
[15:55] <void^> additionally to resizing, gnome-terminal also flickers whenever the window title changes (eg, when changing directories)
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm it affects lxterm as well, so it's probably libvte
[16:57] <Raydiation> when will the next alpha be released?
[16:57] <jpds> Raydiation: Thursday.
[16:57] <Raydiation> jpds: this week?
[16:58] <jpds> Raydiation: Yes.
[16:58] <Raydiation> great
[17:00] <cnd> I've heard that lucid recently gained a different volume mixer applet
[17:00] <cnd> is that the case?
[17:00] <ZykoticK9> cnd, yes
[17:00] <cnd> ZykoticK9, can you point me to some documentation?
[17:00] <cnd> email?
[17:00] <ZykoticK9> cnd, it's horizontal instead of vertical
[17:01] <ZykoticK9> cnd, don't know anything about it other then just my use of it, sorry
[17:03] <cnd> ZykoticK9, ok, thanks
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> well, it's not really an applet anymore, it's part of the indicator applet now
[17:07] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: It still seems to be a separate process - what does it gain from being part of the indicator applet ?
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> If you right click it, it doesn't say antyhing about that applet anymore
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> you now left click it and select the preference option in that menu
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> so there's less confusion I think
[17:10] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Shrug - doesn't make much difference to me, it does seem to have merged it into a single X client which is probably a benefit
[17:10] <penguin42> (although I'm find it's a bit flaky)
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> I haven't run into any issues yet
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> but it's not like I extensivly use that applet :p
[17:11] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'm finding the mute/unmute sometimes seems to stick
[17:12] <Ian_Corne> hmm, I haven't noticed that and I actually use that feature alot, in class, out of class
[17:13] <penguin42> when you mute is it changing the text to 'unmute all' or leaving it as mute all ?
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> unmute all where?
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> I don't have any applications running making sound :p
[17:13] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Left button to get menu and then what's the top thing you see?
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> Just says unmute
[17:13] <penguin42> for me it says 'Mute all'
[17:14] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[17:14] <Ian_Corne> well, i'm muted, so mute all would be wrong :p
[17:14] <penguin42> right and that's what I'm seeing - it's stuck in 'mute all' irrespective of whether it's muted, before I saw it stick in unmute all
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> Aha
[17:18] <penguin42> #525893
[17:19] <penguin42> bug 525893
[17:27] <cnd> Ian_Corne, penguin42, is there some documentation or email thread that talks about this?
[17:27]  * penguin42 isn't aware of one
[17:27] <cnd> I have a bug submission talking about howupgrading his kernel in lucid made his audio applet go away
[17:27] <cnd> I'm guessing it's gone away because of this change
[17:28] <cnd> Ian_Corne, penguin42, even a pointer to the correct package would help
[17:28] <penguin42> cnd: indicator-sound is the new one
[17:28] <cnd> I'm not too familiar with whatever package it would be
[17:29] <cnd> penguin42, what was the older package?
[17:29] <penguin42> hmm not sure
[17:43] <Ian_Corne> cnd: because he doesn't have the indicatior applet on his panel
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> it's the enveloppe icon
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> is mt guess
[17:45] <cnd> Ian_Corne, oh, so the audio mixer control has been merged into that indicator applet thingy...
[17:45] <cnd> I see
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> Yeps
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> noo, ubottu!
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> aah :)
[17:57] <eagles0513875> Ian_Corne: hes broken for some reason
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> ubottu: test
[17:58] <penguin42> perhaps he needs oiling?
[18:00] <Laibsch1> After updating my LAN server from hardy to lucid, I now have http://paste.debian.net/60978/  Isn't this a problem to have such a mix between grub1 and grub2?
[18:03] <penguin42> Laibsch: I think you'll find it's actually still running grub1 - I don't think it tries to replace the underlying grub1 automatically
[18:06] <Nitsuga> Laibsch, when you have both installed grub1 chainloads grub2
[18:06] <Nitsuga> it is done just in case it doesn't work
[18:06] <Nitsuga> you can remove grub1 safely if grub2 is working fine
[18:36] <Samuel-NotAFK> When will GIMP be dropped and what will replace it?
[18:37] <crimsun> huh?
[18:38] <crimsun> gimp is only being dropped from the desktop seed for new installs; it's still installable via any package manager, and if you already have it installed it won't be removed.
[18:38] <Samuel-NotAFK> crimsun: When is it being dropped from new installs? What will replace it?
[18:39] <penguin42> I guess f-spot will still be there for the normal clip and tweek of camera images
[18:39] <Samuel-NotAFK> So Ubuntu isn't going to supply any image manipulation software?
[18:41] <vega> Samuel-NotAFK: read 3 lines up ?
[18:41] <Samuel-NotAFK> So the Ubuntu CD isn't going to supply any image manipulation software?
[18:41] <Pici> Samuel-NotAFK: Out of the box? Correct.
[18:41] <Samuel-NotAFK> Pici: What box?
[18:41] <penguin42> well, as I said I assume f-spot will still be there
[18:42] <Pici> Samuel-NotAFK: 'out of the box' means the system state right after your install.
[18:42] <Samuel-NotAFK> I need some sort of simple program for very basic modifications.
[18:42] <Samuel-NotAFK> GIMP is too complicated for my needs.
[18:43] <Samuel-NotAFK> What's best out of Tuxpaint and Gpaint?
[18:43] <penguin42> Samuel-NotAFK: Try f-spot if it's simple type of crop/rotate/colour tweeks
[18:43] <vega> paint software and image manipulation are kind of different
[18:49] <Samuel-NotAFK> Ah, this is what I want: http://pinta-project.com/
[19:02] <Machtin> uhm.. why can't i set my screen resolution to more than 1280*720 or so?
[19:12] <penguin42> Machtin: Well probably either because theres a problem with your display driver not recognising your card or it not recognising your monitor
[19:21] <Machtin> hmh
[19:21] <Machtin> penguin42: i think i might not even need to fix the problem myself, if i find out how to boot clean.
[19:21] <mbeierl> anyone know if there is anything in Lucid that can stream video/audio from a web cam, or if there's any plans?
[19:22] <Machtin> atm i boot, enter my luks-passphrase and then nothing happens. when i alt+print+k, i can get back to a root-shell, from where i can mount /dev/mapper/home and startx
[19:25] <penguin42> mbeierl: Can empathy do it in Lucid?
[19:27] <pgoetz>  Small Lucid server problem, trying to decide if I should report this as a bug:  When the machine boots, it comes up on vt7, which is just a -, since X isn't installed and getty isn't running.  I always have to <Alt>-<F1> to login.  Not a big deal, but can be kind of confusing the first time.
[19:27] <jemark> i prefer pidgin
[19:28] <ZykoticK9> pgoetz, sounds similar to my bug of #517842
[19:29] <ZykoticK9> bug 517842
[19:29] <DanaG> "Wireless Networks Available"
[19:29] <DanaG> "Click this icon..."
[19:29]  * DanaG goes to click it.
[19:29] <DanaG> ARGH, where'd it go?
[19:30]  * DanaG moves mouse away.... hey, it's back!
[19:30]  * DanaG tries again... ARGH.
[19:30] <DanaG> =þ
[19:30] <arand> mbeierl: since vlc can capture /dev/video0 seemingly without problems, I would assume it would be possible also to stream it somewhere to..
[19:30] <DanaG> Stupid notify-osd.
[19:30] <DanaG> "click this icon" -- yeah, right.
[19:30] <arand> DanaG: It's still the wrong icon isn't it?
[19:34] <DanaG> Er, I mean that it literally said "click this icon"... and there was an icon two inches to the left.
[19:34] <DanaG> So, I did what any logical person would do: tried to click the icon.  =þ
[19:34] <DanaG> (Yeah, I do know to go to nm-applet; I'm just making a point.)
[19:35] <pgoetz> ZykoticK9, that must be it -- thanks for logging this and saving me the trouble.  BTW, for the server install, this is the default behavior (i.e. gdm isn't installed by default)
[19:35] <arand> DanaG: Yea :) But have they changed the icon to actually look like nm-applet yet, I know it doesn't correspond in Karmic...
[19:35] <DanaG> I'm not sure, but I'd say not.
[19:35] <pgoetz> I posted that this bug affects me, too and will add a comment.
[19:35] <DanaG> Er, it's vaguely similar.
[19:36] <ZykoticK9> pgoetz, you might want to add that detail to the bug!  I doubt its getting much attention right now
[19:36] <pgoetz> OK, will do.
[19:38] <mbeierl> arand: nope.  The docs are all "outdated" and I have yet to get vlc to work.  Asked on #videolan and no response :(  thanks anyway
[19:41] <arand> mbeierl: well, I don't know about Lucid but on Karmic it's fairly simple to "open capture device" and at least get a local/to-file stream, as to streaming outwards I have no idea though, which is likely the crux I guess..
[19:45] <penguin42> apt-cache search webcam suggests webcam-server
[19:48] <zniavre> good evening
[19:48] <mbeierl> arand: ya.  That's the actual problem.  Nothing I can figure out actually works for the streaming out part.
[19:55] <arand> mbeierl: Just saw this dunno if helpful: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-VLC-Media-Player-to-Stream-Multimedia-to-Another-Computer seems reasonably up-to-date at least..
[19:56] <kklimonda> does anyone know if Canonical is planning to update Desktop Course before 10.04 release?
[19:59] <mbeierl> arand: thanks, but that does not quite work either.  It for some reason cannot open my video device when I use the wizard.  If I get it to go from the command line, it just complains about buffer overruns and there's no video on the other side.
[20:20] <zniavre> each time i boot the first try gdm or xserver crash (black screen) the second try is good
[20:20] <zniavre> is it known ?
[20:21] <zniavre> and xorg still eat too manu cpu even with today update of libgtk
[20:24] <Nitsuga> zniavre, it happens to me also
[20:24] <Nitsuga> it crashes when you press the enter key
[20:24] <zniavre> yes
[20:24] <Nitsuga> if you have autologin that's ery anoying
[20:25] <Nitsuga> because 4 example you start firefox, type a url, press enter and it crashes
[20:25] <Nitsuga> I think it has to do with plymouth
[20:25] <pgoetz> ZykoticK9, on further research I'm not sure this is a gdm bug, but rather a problem with the default upstart configuration files
[20:25] <Nitsuga> because before xserver crashes all the ttys are frozen/black
[20:26] <zniavre> there is a bug report on this problem ?
[20:26] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, I think it has to do with plymouth on non-KMS hardware
[20:26] <Nitsuga> i didin't file any
[20:27] <zniavre> im not good enough in english to try to fil one bug it looks too "technical" to just say gdm crashes at first try
[20:29] <ZykoticK9> pgoetz, that's quite possible - i certainly have no idea what the cause is.  I was just seeing if my Karmic method of disabling GDM worked in Lucid - which it does, minus this small "bug" regarding what vt shows up by default.
[20:30] <zniavre> that s true startx works as a charm with no crash after that
[20:31] <pgoetz> nitsuga, what do you mean by non-KMS hardware?
[20:33] <ZykoticK9> zniavre, Nitsuga i've notied the Enter on my number pad does not have the same effect.  I still have to use alt+sysrq+k most times when i log in mind you.  Just wanted to point out the Enter weirdness
[20:34] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, thinks like a nvidia card that doesn0t suppor KMS
[20:34] <pgoetz> Also, no matter what hardware I have, if X isn't installed, the machine should probably default to vt1.
[20:34] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, in my computer plymouth is not shown at all
[20:35] <Nitsuga> zniavre,  which graphics card do you have?
[20:37] <zniavre> Nitsuga,  old nvidia fx5500
[20:37] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, do you have this issue?
[20:38] <zniavre> with 173.14.25 driver
[20:39] <Nitsuga> pgoetz are you there
[20:40] <Nitsuga> zniavre, please wait before filing the bug
[20:40] <Nitsuga> maybe we can make it more especific
[20:40] <pgoetz> hi, yeah I'm checking.  It's an HP server with onboard graphics that I never bothered to think about since X isn't installed.
[20:41] <zniavre> Nitsuga, ok im waiting
[20:41] <zniavre> thank you
[20:41] <pgoetz> Video chip: Matrox  MGA G200e
[20:42] <pgoetz> Also, looks like plymouth is installed.
[20:42] <Nitsuga> for example, "X crashes after pressing enter on hardware that don't support KMS"
[20:43] <Nitsuga> zniavre, file a bug with that title on plymouth
[20:43] <Nitsuga> Or I can do it if you want to
[20:43] <zniavre> if english is natural for you i want it yes
[20:44] <pgoetz> Hi, what is the plymouth bug being filed?
[20:44] <zniavre> i can add myself to this bug just after you ll give us an url
[20:45] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, "X crashes after pressing enter on hardware that don't support KMS"
[20:46] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, I think it is a plymouth problem because with plymouth uninstalled the issue is not present
[20:47] <pgoetz> I think I got sucked into the wrong bug discussion -- my problem is that a system without any xserver installed still defaults to vt7, which only has a flashing "-"  since getty only runs on vt1-6.  I think this is an Upstart problem
[20:51] <zniavre> Nitsuga, possibly this one no ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/525386
[20:52] <zniavre> :o(
[20:55] <zniavre> Nitsuga, this one must be our bug too i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/525386
[20:55] <Nitsuga> sorry, something happened while I disconnected?
 pgoetz, it may be plymouth too, because plymouth runs on vt7
[20:56] <ZykoticK9> zniavre, that's the same bug you linked before?  did you find another/different one?
[20:58] <zniavre> ZykoticK9, no i reposted it for Nitsuga i thought he was disconnected
[20:58] <Nitsuga> let's see
[20:58] <Nitsuga> my inet connection is very erratical after a storm
[20:59] <penguin42> Nitsuga: The packets are wet?
[20:59] <zniavre> :o)
[20:59] <Nitsuga> yes, I have a ping flood
[20:59] <Nitsuga> lol
[21:02] <Nitsuga> ziroday, the bug IS the same that we have
[21:03] <Nitsuga> zniavre,  the bug IS the same that we have
[21:03] <Nitsuga> pgoetz, zniavre, what to do? comment in that bug report or file another one?
[21:05] <zniavre> Status is incomplete i do not know how to log or report
[21:05] <Nitsuga> zniavre, I will get a backtrace and file another one
[21:05] <voidmage> are the nvidia 190 drivers packaged in lucid? the 195 drivers make my system hard lock
[21:06] <zniavre> Nitsuga, ok
[21:06] <bjsnider> both are packaged
[21:06] <pgoetz> I'm not sure.  Right now I'm checking to see how Upstart decides what vt the user lands on if X isn't running.
[21:07] <voidmage> bjsnider: where at? all the non-legacy packages i could find point to nvidia-current, which is 195
[21:07] <bjsnider> !info nvidia-current lucid
[21:09] <bjsnider> well, alberto must have decided to move to the 195 driver because of kde
[21:09]  * Nitsuga installing debugging symbols
[21:09] <voidmage> hmm, then what can i do since 195 makes my system hard lock but 190 doesn't?
[21:10] <bjsnider> you mean your system hard locks on boot?
[21:10] <voidmage> it hard locks after using it for some time
[21:10] <voidmage> i couldn't pin down a pattern when i tried to use 195 in karmic, either
[21:10] <bjsnider> how do you know it's the 195 driver?
[21:10] <voidmage> because it doesn't happen in 190 is why i continue to suspect 195
[21:11] <voidmage> (if i get disconnected it's because it hard locked on me again)
[21:11] <bjsnider> what's your graphics card?
[21:11] <voidmage> nvidia GT 240
[21:12] <bjsnider> report a bug to nvidia
[21:12] <bjsnider> nvforums
[21:13] <bjsnider> are you using nvidia-current or did you install the thing yourself?
[21:13] <voidmage> i'm using nvidia-current right now
[21:13] <Nitsuga> it seems that we have another one with the plymouth issue!
[21:13] <Nitsuga> voidmage, it hangs after pressing enter?
[21:14] <voidmage> Nitsuga: no, it happens randomly when i'm using the machine
[21:14] <voidmage> my laptop on the other hand...
[21:20] <voidmage-away> whoops, hardlocked again
[21:21] <voidmage> it happens really often anyway, at least 5 times today alone
[21:23] <voidmage> i'm going to try purging plymouth and seeing if the hardlocks still continue, because there's a lot of reported bugs with plymouth
[21:23] <voidmage> that way i'll know for sure if it's the driver or random plymouth things
[21:24] <Laibsch> thanks, Nitsuga and penguin42
[21:27] <Nitsuga> voidmage, you can restart the x server with alt-Print Screen-K
[21:27]  * penguin42 can't remember saying anything!
[21:28] <voidmage> Nitsuga: doesn't work for me
[21:28]  * Nitsuga will take forever to download the debugging symbols with this internet connection
[21:29] <voidmage> Nitsuga: the only thing i could get it to respond to when it hard locks is RSEIUB
[21:37] <BUGabundo> hey guys how do you replace UNR Maximize WM by nautilus?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> or metacity
[21:37] <zniavre> metacity --replace ?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> will it even work?
[21:38] <DanaG> actually, the thing in UNR that auto-maximizes is "devilspie".
[21:38] <DanaG> check startup-applications preferences thingy.
[21:38] <BUGabundo> so just un start it ?
[21:39] <DanaG> Disable that startup thingy, yeah.
[21:41] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, maximuse is a background app
[21:41] <Nitsuga> just kill it
[21:41] <BUGabundo> what's its name ?
[21:41] <Nitsuga> and remove it from the startup programs
[21:41] <BUGabundo> helping a noob remotely
[21:41] <Nitsuga> "maximuse" i think
[21:48] <BUGabundo> so running gtkperf to test the GTK slow down bug
[21:48] <BUGabundo> its better but not perfect yet
[21:48] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:54] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:55] <BUGabundo> when to guest session
[21:55] <BUGabundo> had to kill gnome-keyring to be able to login :(
[21:59] <penguin42> BUGabundo: SOme of the tests in gtkperf seem to vary quite a bit from run to run
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I had 140 sec
[22:00] <bjsnider> i wouldn't place total trust in gtkperf
[22:00] <BUGabundo> 8 sec on a clean session
[22:00] <BUGabundo> 24 sec right now on this session
[22:00] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: if some app is using GPU or X
[22:00] <Laibsch> I'm upgrading my hardy server to lucid.  xulrunner-1.9 refuses to decease: http://paste.debian.net/61026/  lucid has a newer version of libhunspell.  Have I hit a bug?  How do I get out of this situation?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> sure it changes the result
[22:00] <BUGabundo> btw bjsnider I never got a reply from the lessfs guy
[22:00] <penguin42> BUGabundo: 142.31 then 141.27 for me, but the GtkComboBox subtest varied by .5s between the two runs for example
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: how are you upgrading?
[22:01] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, neither did i. he seems like a shift type of guy
[22:01] <BUGabundo> do-release-upgrade?
[22:01] <bjsnider> shifty i mean
[22:02] <Laibsch> BUGabundo: aptitude because update-manager wouldn't do it (I already talked to mvo about it and opened a ticket).  update-manager did not do hardy->lucid, but insisted on hardy->intrepid instead.
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[22:02] <BUGabundo> so you are in a mess
[22:03] <Laibsch> I said so ;-)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I would just purge offending packagesd
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and latter install them back
[22:03] <Laibsch> "just" just doesn't work
[22:03] <BUGabundo> or just metapackages
[22:03] <Laibsch> unfortunately
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and let them pull it
[22:03] <BUGabundo> why not?
[22:03] <Laibsch> I don't need the package
[22:03] <charlie-tca> hardy to lucid upgrade is broke again?
[22:03] <Laibsch> yet, I still cannot get rid of it
[22:03] <Laibsch> maybe
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: can you ping the guys at #ubuntu-mozillateam
[22:03] <Laibsch> I wasn't yet expecting a smooth ride
[22:03] <BUGabundo> its their "mess" :D
[22:04] <Laibsch> I wonder what you could reasonably do at a packaging level, though
[22:04] <Laibsch> If anything, it's only in the hardy packages
[22:04]  * Laibsch thinks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Laibsch: can you ping the guys at #ubuntu-mozillateam
[22:04] <Laibsch> I'll give it a try
[22:04] <Laibsch> thanks
[22:12] <Laibsch> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-updates/xulrunner-1.9 has the dependency on the correct version of libhunspell, it seems.  Adding that won't help
[22:13] <Ian_Corne> Anyone still have an segfault on dpkg on 64 bit?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> not for a few days Ian_Corne
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I did got a few last week
[22:17] <BUGabundo> and reported in LP
[22:23] <Laibsch> I wonder how aptitude can deinstall libhunspell-1.1.0 before xulrunner-1.9 (the latter depends on the former)
[22:23] <Laibsch> any ideas?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:23] <BUGabundo> FORCE
[22:24] <BUGabundo> or manually remove them from the APT DB
[22:24] <Laibsch> I didn't do that
[22:24] <Laibsch> I'm not asking how to get out of the situation
[22:25] <Laibsch> I'm more interested how it was possible to get into this situation
[22:25] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:25] <BUGabundo> so it can be preentive fixed
[22:25] <Laibsch> because that determines if I hit a bug or not
[22:26] <Laibsch> I think I certainly hit a bug
[22:26] <Laibsch> I have reinstalled the hardy libhunspell
[22:26] <Laibsch> and the console looks like http://paste.debian.net/61032/
[22:26] <Laibsch> seems like there is some kind of problem with u-a
[22:54] <CosmiChaos> how do i switch volume?
[22:54] <CosmiChaos> wheres the applet gone?
[22:56] <penguin42> CosmiChaos: You should still have one, just a different one
[22:56] <CosmiChaos> no i have no volume control panel left
[22:57] <penguin42> CosmiChaos: Try running /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
[22:57] <CosmiChaos> ** (process:25998): DEBUG: Service shutdown !
[22:57] <CosmiChaos> ** (process:25998): DEBUG: I just closed communication with Pulse
[22:58] <penguin42> but no icon?
[22:58] <CosmiChaos> no
[22:58] <CosmiChaos> i mean master volume control works via media keys
[22:58] <penguin42> Right click on the panel and do add to panel and add 'indicator applet'
[22:58] <CosmiChaos> but i need to tweak my tv-applikation volume down and keep master up
[22:59] <CosmiChaos> hmm what may it be in german
[22:59] <penguin42> erm I don't know - I only speak English!
[22:59] <CosmiChaos> ah
[22:59] <CosmiChaos> well it works but the icon for audio is broke xD
[23:00] <penguin42> broke?
[23:00] <CosmiChaos> ya whatever
[23:00] <penguin42> in what way?
[23:00] <CosmiChaos> how do i remove the messenger mail symbol?
[23:01] <penguin42> don't know
[23:01] <cjohnston> anyone know if there is an update on when the plymouth bug will be fixed?
[23:02] <CosmiChaos> wtf now i have empathy icon what i dont even use at all its just install for alternative while them beeing at all just launchers
[23:02] <CosmiChaos> i dont need any more systray launchers
[23:02] <penguin42> CosmiChaos: The new sound thing is part of the indicator package, I don't know how to be more selective
[23:03] <penguin42> CosmiChaos: Ah, you could try running gnome-volume-control-applet instead
[23:03] <CosmiChaos> now after sound preferences
[23:03] <CosmiChaos> i got a white sound settigns box at the top left of the screen
[23:03] <CosmiChaos> in addition to the old sound preference window
[23:03] <CosmiChaos> lol
[23:03] <CosmiChaos> a complete MESS
[23:05] <CosmiChaos> at least xkill works
[23:24] <exalt> hello is lucid the best version ever?
[23:25] <penguin42> well it's still Alpha, it's still finding its feet
[23:27] <exalt> penguin42:  is plymouth already inplemented?
[23:27] <penguin42> yes
[23:27] <penguin42> some people are hitting some bugs, but hey that's alpha for you
[23:28] <exalt> penguin42:  yes yes, and the design?
[23:28] <exalt> in gnome 3 inplemented?
[23:28] <penguin42> no
[23:29] <exalt> penguin42: pfew :P
[23:53] <DanaG>  Syntax error: "esac" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[23:53] <RAOF> Now you're going to tell us which maintainer script you found that in.
[23:54]  * penguin42 is disappointed by RAOFs week powers of telepathy
[23:55] <penguin42> weak even, his week powers are just slow
[23:59] <Nitsuga> Hello!
[23:59] <penguin42> Hi