| crimsun | TheMuso: any qualms for a bugfix-only pulse upload RSN? (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/ is current) | 03:47 |
|---|---|---|
| TheMuso | crimsun: let me have a peak, but not at this point I think we're fine. | 03:47 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: looks ok fire away. | 03:49 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: ok | 03:49 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:09 |
| pitti | ccheney: I'm still not entirely sure whether the entirety of language-support-* is obsolete or just language-support-writing; ArneGoetje? | 07:10 |
| baptistemm | hello | 07:17 |
| === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl | ||
| didrocks | good morning | 08:12 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:15 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, how was your week-end? | 08:16 |
| pitti | pretty good; did the moving of my grandparents on Saturday, and had some nice walking yesterday, and visiting friends | 08:16 |
| didrocks | sweet :) | 08:17 |
| baptistemm | hey friends | 08:19 |
| didrocks | salut baptistemm | 08:20 |
| baptistemm | salut didrocks | 08:20 |
| baptistemm | I played with a VM this weekedn, installaing a 8.04 and upgrading to 10.04 | 08:20 |
| baptistemm | at the end of the upgrading update-manager crashed and didn't finished cleaning the useless packages and leftover from 8.04 | 08:21 |
| baptistemm | but the weirder thing is I had strange package like anjuta being installed for an unknown reason | 08:21 |
| didrocks | baptistemm: can you log some bugs about that? | 08:25 |
| baptistemm | it was on my todo luist, but I wanted to try again :) | 08:26 |
| didrocks | baptistemm: maybe just after alpha3? | 08:26 |
| baptistemm | yeah, I think that'll better | 08:27 |
| baptistemm | at least now it is a breath to install a vm with a ssd | 08:33 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 08:42 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:50 |
| pitti | bnjour seb128 | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: net network-manager landed \o/ | 08:50 |
| * pitti congratulates seb128 for having 0 work items now | 08:51 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:51 | |
| seb128 | oh nice you fixed that gnome-menus update bug too | 08:53 |
| pitti | well, only half of it | 08:53 |
| pitti | it still needs a trivial change in nvidia's postinst | 08:53 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, bon week-end? :) | 08:56 |
| seb128 | lu didrocks | 08:56 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:11 |
| baptistemm | hi chrisccoulson | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | hey baptistemm, how are you? | 09:11 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, did you have a good weekend? | 09:11 |
| pitti | I did indeed, how about your's? | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | it was ok thanks. i spent friday and saturday preparing my new work area | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | and then relaxed yesterday | 09:13 |
| pitti | at home? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah. i had some new furniture arrive on friday | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | ? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | good! | 09:15 |
| seb128 | you? | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm quite good this morning thanks | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i finally got my laptop hooked up to the external monitor this weekend, and was hoping to make gsd crash by cycling video modes with Fn+F8 | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | but Fn+F8 is mapped incorrectly on my laptop | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | i was quite surprised | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti knows about that stuff ;) | 09:17 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you get the wrong key in xev? | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah. it's mapped to "f" | 09:17 |
| pitti | lol | 09:18 |
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| chrisccoulson | that's what i thought too ;) | 09:18 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: can you please walk though /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt.gz and tell me the missing scancode ? | 09:18 |
| pitti | s/missing/wrong/ | 09:18 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'd appreciate if you could file an udev bug for it, so that we have a record to point to in the upstream commit | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i can do that (but when i get home from work) | 09:19 |
| baptistemm | does mvo come here? | 09:19 |
| didrocks | good morning chrisccoulson | 09:19 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks, how are you? | 09:19 |
| pitti | baptistemm: yes, usually | 09:20 |
| baptistemm | okay, thanks | 09:20 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: better than before the weekend, thanks :) | 09:20 |
| baptistemm | asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/519357 | 09:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 519357 in bluez "conffile prompt on upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04" [High,New] | 09:20 |
| baptistemm | perhaps I should start with a 6.06 as mvo did | 09:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, is the installer known to be broken? | 09:27 |
| seb128 | I tried to install current i386 desktop on the mini | 09:28 |
| pitti | urgh, again? it just got fixed two days ago | 09:28 |
| asac | hehe | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: how does it manifest? last known breakage was that it didn't show the partitioning at all | 09:28 |
| seb128 | but it doesn't display partitionning screen | 09:28 |
| pitti | and then crashed right when it wanted to start installing | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, so still that | 09:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, that was before weekend, let me rsync and try again today | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, got fixed on Friday | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: we have a chart for today on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/netbook.html | 09:29 |
| seb128 | ok good | 09:29 |
| pitti | which indicates that today's image should work | 09:29 |
| seb128 | rsync running | 09:29 |
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| didrocks | pitti: the netbook image is 640Mo with gwibber this morning :) | 09:46 |
| pitti | yep, removal of gnumeric/abiword helped a lot | 09:47 |
| pitti | ubuntu CDs fit again as well | 09:47 |
| didrocks | pitti: I'll readd OO calc so | 09:47 |
| pitti | oh, and we got new langpacks \o/ | 09:47 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum? on the netbook CD? I only see -en and -es | 09:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: no, uploads | 09:48 |
| pitti | not yet seeded back | 09:48 |
| pitti | they are still building | 09:48 |
| didrocks | oh ok | 09:48 |
| didrocks | so, I'm adding that to the CD, some langpacks and OO calc | 09:49 |
| kklimonda | pitti: how do you decide what languages are installed bundled on the desktop cd? | 09:51 |
| pitti | kklimonda: we have a list of the 11 most widely spoken languages | 09:52 |
| pitti | we keep adding from the top until the CD is full | 09:52 |
| kklimonda | ach :) | 09:53 |
| kklimonda | makes sense | 09:53 |
| huats | morning | 10:06 |
| huats | plop | 10:06 |
| pitti | bonjour huats, comment vas-tu? | 10:18 |
| huats | gutten morgen Martin ! | 10:19 |
| huats | I am fine thanks ! You ? | 10:19 |
| pitti | I'm great, merci | 10:19 |
| pitti | funny that davidbarth and you make the same typo in "guten" :) | 10:19 |
| * pitti wonders about German teachers in France | 10:20 | |
| huats | pitti, actually i have never learnt german :) | 10:21 |
| huats | seb128, hello ! | 10:24 |
| huats | I have a question regarding deskbar-applet. I think there are building issues due to the included documentation. speaking with didrocks he told me that I should mention that to you :) | 10:26 |
| didrocks | also I told that you should ask upstream to include a built documentation in the tarball :) | 10:27 |
| huats | indeed :) | 10:27 |
| huats | but I need to talk to master seb128 first ;) | 10:27 |
| seb128 | hi huats | 10:27 |
| seb128 | other people can usually reply to questions too just ask there | 10:28 |
| seb128 | I try to reduce IRC time atm because some days I don't manage to get any work done otherwise | 10:28 |
| seb128 | what is the question? | 10:28 |
| huats | not really a question :) | 10:35 |
| huats | just to let you know that the deskbar-applet build fails during the building documentation, since it is not built in the tarball | 10:36 |
| huats | I will ask upstream to include it | 10:36 |
| huats | (since didrockstold me that is what you told him to do in such occasion) | 10:36 |
| seb128 | huats, right do that and you can also update the package to build it for now | 10:51 |
| seb128 | brb | 10:51 |
| chrisccoulson | bryceh - what do you need me to do to get the commit from this bug report in to lucid: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25855 | 10:53 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 25855 in Server/general "Screensaver not disabled because of a XResetScreenSaver() regression" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | (so then users will stop harassing me about broken screensaver inhibiting ;) ) | 10:53 |
| pitti | asac: new langpacks are built (for German, anyway), but the Yahoo start page is still in English; should that work now? or is the German translation just missing? | 11:46 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ^ FYI | 11:46 |
| asac | pitti: the startpage is a problem of the website | 11:46 |
| asac | pitti: try the searchplugin | 11:46 |
| asac | that should go to de.search.yahoo.com | 11:46 |
| pitti | asac: right, "Yahoo Deutschland" | 11:47 |
| pitti | I search for "pizza" and it gives me all German links | 11:47 |
| asac | nice ;) | 11:47 |
| pitti | great, so that's how it's designed to be then? | 11:47 |
| asac | pitti: so for the website thats something online services has to fix | 11:47 |
| pitti | sweet | 11:47 |
| asac | most likely they dont honour Accept-Language yet | 11:48 |
| dpm | pitti, asac, online services take care of uploading the translations to the server, they are not in language packs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/BrowserStartPage | 11:48 |
| asac | i know | 11:48 |
| * pitti flips WI to done then, thanks for the heads-up | 11:48 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: the four remaining "add exception handlers..." on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-social-from-the-start, what are those about? just stability? sounds like they could be moved to beta-1? | 11:49 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| Laney | seb128: there is a mono merge in bug 525063 if you fancy it | 11:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525063 in mono "Merge mono 2.4.4~svn151842-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525063 | 11:58 |
| asac | plesae no mono upload before a3 | 12:01 |
| asac | thx | 12:01 |
| Laney | sure | 12:04 |
| asac | let me do a testbuild in a native ppa | 12:05 |
| asac | if that finishes today we can upload still i think | 12:05 |
| pitti | cassidy: a few days ago empathy broke with ICQ for me, it always says "network error" when authenticating; there's nothing in telepathy-haze's debug console, and it works just fine with pidgin; how would I go about debugging this? | 12:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, pidgin.im says to uncheck client login in pidgin | 12:14 |
| seb128 | I had to do this, I guess something changed server side | 12:14 |
| seb128 | but empathy doesn't allow to uncheck that option | 12:15 |
| pitti | seb128: "client login"? | 12:24 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I unchecked "use TLS" in pidgin indeed | 12:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm just typing what is on http://pidgin.im | 12:25 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 12:25 |
| seb128 | np | 12:25 |
| pitti | I wonder why it works just fine in karmic; my wife has no problems with it at all | 12:26 |
| * didrocks recreates a new squashfs, enough time to make some coffee :) | 12:30 | |
| asac | seb128: why is "Trash" not availabe in places? | 12:31 |
| seb128 | asac, because it's already in the default panel in a corner | 12:32 |
| asac | hmm | 12:32 |
| seb128 | and in the nautilus go menu too | 12:32 |
| seb128 | and in the sidebar | 12:33 |
| asac | not for me ;) | 12:33 |
| asac | spatial | 12:33 |
| asac | but ok .. | 12:33 |
| asac | its just that my mom couldnt find it ... and telling her: look in Places would have been easier than: look at the panel at the right corner ;) | 12:33 |
| seb128 | right | 12:34 |
| asac | wonder where it is in UNE | 12:34 |
| seb128 | nautilus defaults to browser in ubuntu | 12:35 |
| seb128 | so it's in the sidebar of any nautilus window | 12:35 |
| asac | right. anyway, i am sure on UNE it could deserve a places entry ;) | 12:36 |
| asac | or some other special top level place | 12:36 |
| pitti | is anyone particularly affected with g-s-t? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window is currently unowned | 12:39 |
| pitti | I'm fine with ignoring it for lucid, but if someone likes it, it's still time to test and reenable services-admin | 12:40 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - milanbv keeps asking me about this | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | if you want me to bring it back, i can build it in to a separate package when i next do a g-s-t upload | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i think seb128 has reservations about installing it by default again | 12:42 |
| pitti | so would I | 12:42 |
| pitti | it's a "shoot yourself into the foot" thing | 12:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: no, *I* don't particularly want it back | 12:42 |
| pitti | I just asked if someone feels like "oooh I want that and have some cycles to check it out" :) | 12:43 |
| chrisccoulson | are you happy for me to put it in to a separate package? | 12:43 |
| chrisccoulson | thats quite easy for me to do | 12:43 |
| pitti | that's fine, and keeping it in universe | 12:44 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: so, if you want to, please feel free to assign https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window to yourself | 12:45 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you feel confortable sponsoring a casper change today? I've rebuilt my own netbook live cd and it's working. I can still rebuilt an ubuntu desktop CD to see that the script doesn't kill it | 12:48 |
| didrocks | (it's for the ubiquity icon) | 12:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: ooh, please | 12:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: nothing in lp:ubuntu/casper yet, though? | 12:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, I didn't push yet. let me the time to fill the changelog :) | 12:50 |
| vish | seb128: hi.. iirc , we wont be using evolution 2.30 , but will be sticking with evo 2.28 for lucid.. right? Bug #424416 requires a small patch which has bee committed upstream , switching the accelerators > http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=d7dbab49b5b3f8603286fa5c54332b93bbeca9d6 | 12:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424416 in hundredpapercuts "Evolution "Ctrl+S" should save an email as a draft" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424416 | 12:51 |
| vish | been* | 12:52 |
| seb128 | vish, did they commit the change to gnome-2-28? | 12:53 |
| seb128 | vish, they will roll a new 2.28 tarball next week which we will get in lucid | 12:53 |
| vish | seb128: i dont think so. | 12:53 |
| vish | let me check | 12:53 |
| seb128 | can you try to get them to do that? | 12:53 |
| seb128 | or ask on #evolution on irc.gnome.org | 12:53 |
| vish | seb128: mbarnes mentions > I've swapped the "Save" and "Save as Draft" shortcuts for Evolution | 12:54 |
| vish | 2.29.91. | 12:54 |
| seb128 | could you ask them anyway for 2.28? | 12:54 |
| seb128 | would be easier to have that change there too | 12:54 |
| * vish will ask | 12:54 | |
| vish | thanks.. | 12:54 |
| seb128 | vish, thank you | 12:55 |
| didrocks | pitti: lp:~didrocks/casper/ubiquity-une | 12:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: looks fine! uploaded, thanks for fixing this | 13:02 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| didrocks | pitti: you're welcome :) | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - how do i change the assignee of a spec? (or can't i do that)? | 13:10 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you don't have an edit button after assignee? | 13:11 |
| * pitti assigns to you | 13:11 | |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks | 13:11 |
| pitti | thanks to you! | 13:12 |
| chrisccoulson | no, i can't see an edit button | 13:12 |
| chrisccoulson | i need more power ;) | 13:12 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i can see an edit button now it's assigned to me | 13:13 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps i needed to subscribe first? | 13:13 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm not entirely sure about the LP magic in the BP tracker.. | 13:14 |
| baptistemm | pedro? | 13:15 |
| pitti | I need to leave for some 2.5 hours, bbl | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | pitti, yes they can | 13:47 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: gwibber in UNE CD last build, btw :) | 13:50 |
| kenvandine | woot! | 13:50 |
| al-maisan | Are thunderbird 3 and enigmail conflicting packages these days? enigmail de-installs thunderbird 3 and vice versa. | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | good morning rickspencer3 | 14:56 |
| rickspencer3 | good morning kenvandine | 14:56 |
| nfe | Hello Guys! | 15:17 |
| nfe | Can anyone helps me? | 15:17 |
| nfe | /join ubuntu-bugs-announce | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, wow, a lot of contributions to quickly over the weekend! | 15:23 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: indeed, Philip really rocks :) | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, seen quickshot? | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | looks cool | 15:24 |
| * kenvandine hasn't actually tried it | 15:24 | |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, what is quickshot? | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | created with quickly | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:25 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, nice | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | a way to get more people to contribute to the manual :) | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | smart | 15:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, didrocks: can one of you make the empathy upgrade? | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i will | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | should get it done today | 16:15 |
| pitti | will that fix my ICQ? :-) | 16:16 |
| baptistemm | who is still using ICQ, that"s 90's | 16:16 |
| baptistemm | :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | np | 16:17 |
| pitti | well, all of my friends are.. | 16:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, I doubt it | 16:17 |
| seb128 | I'm using ICQ too | 16:17 |
| pitti | I was just whining anyway | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:17 |
| seb128 | cassidy, there? | 16:17 |
| baptistemm | pitti, no offense :) | 16:17 |
| pitti | seb128: I already pinged cassidy earlier today about hints how to debug this; I don't get any error message from telepathy-haze in the dbg console | 16:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, and I've not seen him reply | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti - if you adjust the brightness of your screen using the brightness keys, do you expect the brightness to be restored between sessions? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | but he did roll a new tarball so he's around :p | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | (sorry, random question ;) ) | 16:18 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I wouldn't expect it | 16:18 |
| pitti | why? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you could think so, or at least you could assume it does when not touching the keyboard for 15 seconds | 16:18 |
| pitti | when I shut down and reboot my laptop 10 hours later, I'll probably at a completely different environment/daytime/etc. | 16:18 |
| seb128 | that bug is driving me nuts when I use my laptop at confs | 16:18 |
| didrocks | pitti: when you have some time as you can't discuss in ICQ lp:didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid :) | 16:19 |
| pitti | right, but that's a completely different question :) | 16:19 |
| pitti | lol | 16:19 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i was just wondering what other people thought. i find the current behaviour quite irritating, and wondered if there was a logical reason for it ;) | 16:19 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it's certainly irritating within a session (not restoring previous level after a timeout) | 16:19 |
| chrisccoulson | the first thing i do when i power my laptop up is turn the display brightness down | 16:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i suppose i could turn it down in the power preferences capplet, but that option is undiscoverable i think | 16:20 |
| chrisccoulson | (display brightness adjustment in power management settings?) | 16:20 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - do you find that the brightness is not restored (to the value you set with the brightness keys) when returning from idle etc? | 16:22 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I can't quite remember (mostly I'm working on an external screen), but it drives seb128 mad, therefore it is a crucial bug | 16:23 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 16:24 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i can probably guess why that occurs without even looking at the code | 16:24 |
| chrisccoulson | when switching idle modes, the new brightness is calculated based on all the settings in gconf | 16:25 |
| seb128 | the known bug is: take you laptop, set brightness, work, don't touch the keyboard for 15 seconds time to drink some water, it dims, touch it it doesn't go back where you were | 16:25 |
| chrisccoulson | but pressing the brightness keys doesn't save any new settings anywhere | 16:25 |
| seb128 | it always go back to the default value | 16:25 |
| seb128 | not the previously used value | 16:25 |
| seb128 | yeah, using the applet it changes your default value when you change the slider | 16:26 |
| seb128 | which doesn't make sense either | 16:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: meh, I can't commit, bzr didn't like something that I did and now it's stuck in a lock | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's annoying. i can fix that by linking the brightness keys with the slider value, but i was wondering if there's a sane reason why that's not done already (or just an oversight)? if the 2 were linked, the brightness would return to the value you set with the brightness keys | 16:27 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh? bzr branch again? | 16:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, got it | 16:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, could be worth asking upstream before working on the change | 16:28 |
| * pitti needs to get used more to work with bound branches | 16:28 | |
| pitti | didrocks: I suppose you want me to rebuild n-meta? or more changes ahead? | 16:28 |
| h00k | so, I have a few questions about RGBA. I'm seeing a few conflicting things about whether it will be included in Lucid or Lucid+1, I saw the Weekly Newsletter link to an article claiming it will be included, I was just wondering. I do see bug #491521 but I'm not quite sure what it exactly means as far as if it will be included. | 16:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491521 in gtk+2.0 "Decorations and RGBA" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491521 | 16:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i will ask hughsie at some point. his name on #gnome-hackers suggests he doesn't want to be disturbed at the moment though | 16:28 |
| didrocks | pitti: no more changes in the pipe, so, feel free to rebuild it please :) | 16:28 |
| pitti | running | 16:29 |
| * didrocks hugs pitti, thanks a lot | 16:31 | |
| didrocks | normally, we should still have some MB free for the future, I didn't add languages we don't have in the ubuntu desktop iso | 16:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw speaking about the app indicator gpm change from the other day, there is no runtime fallback for those changes | 16:32 |
| seb128 | the init can't really fail | 16:32 |
| seb128 | the crasher should be fixed too, if you want to review the change again | 16:32 |
| pitti | right, my point was that there should be a test for indicator_new() returning NULL | 16:33 |
| pitti | and falling back to upstream behaviour? | 16:33 |
| seb128 | it would be complicated and that's not what we decided on | 16:33 |
| seb128 | indicator_new can't really fail | 16:33 |
| seb128 | or you have an issue and your software is good to exit | 16:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, that also pulled in plymouth-x11; let's see.. | 16:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, libappindicator does transparent fallback to notification area if there is no indicator | 16:34 |
| seb128 | but it uses the same menus there than it would have used on the indicator | 16:34 |
| pitti | seb128: ok | 16:34 |
| seb128 | that's how it has been decided those changes would be done | 16:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: uploaded | 16:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: I feel having extra space was needed so | 16:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks | 16:35 |
| seb128 | then appindicator or not is a buildtime option | 16:35 |
| pitti | seb128: do you happen to have the bug # handy? | 16:36 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - bug 497870 | 16:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497870 in gnome-media "Support Application Indicators" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497870 | 16:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #497870 | 16:37 |
| seb128 | bah | 16:37 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:37 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 16:37 |
| pitti | cheers :) | 16:37 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 16:38 |
| dobey | what the heck is rhythmbox doing that it requires 25% of my cpu?! | 16:39 |
| pitti | I was wondering the same | 16:39 |
| pitti | it was just playing an mp3 | 16:39 |
| pitti | but with 45% | 16:39 |
| dobey | yeah, same here (though ~25%) | 16:40 |
| dobey | hmm, if I pause, CPU goes down | 16:42 |
| dobey | but plyaing it goes right back to ~25% | 16:42 |
| davmor2 | pitti, dobey: I got 6% as a high here on Karmic and 2% as an average. | 16:42 |
| pitti | seb128: the bug speaks of "The crash is fixed in indicator-application trunk. So the patch should work as soon as indicator-application package is updated."; do you know whether that happened already? | 16:42 |
| dobey | davmor2: yes, on Karmic it was fine for me too | 16:42 |
| pitti | likewise | 16:42 |
| pitti | it just started recently in lucid | 16:42 |
| dobey | I wonder if it's pulseaudio in lucid causing it to spike | 16:42 |
| davmor2 | I'll try the same track on Lucid | 16:43 |
| dobey | guess i'll find out soon enough since there's a pulseaudio update installing right now on my machine | 16:43 |
| seb128 | tedg, ^ | 16:43 |
| h00k | dobey: I've been having a lot of pulseaudio running away and taking 100% of my CPU, perhaps they're related | 16:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm about to do an appindicator upload so I will backport that change too if it's not | 16:43 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, sweet; I'm doing the gpm change in bzr now, but wait for your word to upload | 16:43 |
| seb128 | dobey, pitti: it's gtk csd | 16:43 |
| dobey | davmor2: any track will do it. it's unrelated. It just has to be playing. | 16:44 |
| seb128 | doing the rhythmbox cpu use | 16:44 |
| pitti | oh, does gtk do mp3 decoding now, too? | 16:44 |
| * pitti hugs gtk | 16:44 | |
| dobey | seb128: then wouldn't it do it while not playing an mp3 also? | 16:44 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:44 |
| seb128 | dobey, no, it seems to be triggered when there is a title update | 16:44 |
| dobey | seb128: i don't think that's the problem here | 16:44 |
| seb128 | bratsche is working on those performances issues | 16:44 |
| dobey | and I don't seem to have client side deco here anyway | 16:45 |
| seb128 | well try downgrading gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 and see if that works better | 16:45 |
| davmor2 | dobey, pitti: maxes out at 36% average around 28% | 16:46 |
| dobey | and if it was title change, i would expect it to only spike when the title changes, for a millesecond or so, and then resume normality | 16:46 |
| dobey | play/puase doesn't change the title, and there's no usage when paused | 16:47 |
| seb128 | dobey, read bug #523949 | 16:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 523949 in gtk+2.0 "the csd changes make some desktop applications hog the cpu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523949 | 16:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, the appindicator fix is in lucid | 16:48 |
| pitti | seb128: merci; uploading gpm | 16:48 |
| dobey | seb128: the xorg cpu usage is fine for me. it's only rbox using ridiculous cpu here | 16:48 |
| seb128 | dobey, ok, different issue then I guess | 16:48 |
| jcastro | pitti: woo, one more app indicator, thanks! | 16:49 |
| dobey | seb128: i might also have the title change issue, but it's not the major one for me. when i change songs rbox does spike to ~50%, but then goes back down to ~25% while playing, and ~0% while paused/idle | 16:50 |
| dobey | seb128: so i'm going to take a wild guess and presume it's something to do with the gst sink to pulseaudio | 16:50 |
| dobey | hrmm, I guess I should reboot to see if that helps too | 16:51 |
| dobey | Nope. no love. rbox is still ridiculous with the cpu | 17:00 |
| dobey | totem isn't as bad, but goes between 5-10% while playing | 17:01 |
| dobey | (playing an mp3) | 17:01 |
| dobey | hrmm | 17:01 |
| seb128 | try play an ogg just to see? | 17:01 |
| dobey | so maybe it's not pulseaudio sink | 17:01 |
| dobey | i don't know if i even have any oggs | 17:02 |
| dobey | i know i don't have any ogg in my rbox library | 17:02 |
| pitti | seb128: same with ogg | 17:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, downgrade gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 | 17:21 |
| pitti | hm, it's a minimized window.. but sure | 17:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you send it to the indicator? | 17:22 |
| seb128 | ie closed the ui? | 17:22 |
| pitti | seb128: you can't close it, just minimize | 17:22 |
| pitti | it's still in the task bar | 17:22 |
| seb128 | you can close it | 17:22 |
| pitti | i. e. not close in the way you can do with empathy or gtimelog | 17:22 |
| pitti | if I do "show rhythmbox" in the indicator, it's just minimized | 17:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/status-icon-mode ? | 17:23 |
| seb128 | gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/window-visible too | 17:23 |
| pitti | seb128: "2" | 17:23 |
| seb128 | try 3? | 17:23 |
| pitti | window-visible> true | 17:24 |
| seb128 | and close rhythmbox | 17:24 |
| pitti | I'll downgrade gtk first | 17:24 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 17:24 |
| pitti | seb128: right, no problem any more with gtk ubuntu1 | 17:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, so it's the gtk csd issue I pointed before | 17:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, you had 0ubuntu4 before right? | 17:26 |
| pitti | correct | 17:26 |
| pitti | thanks seb128 | 17:26 |
| seb128 | bratsche, ^ rhythmbox cpu use issue is still there for pitti | 17:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, np | 17:26 |
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| maxb | seb128: Concerning bug 524882, I do not believe it's invalid. Given that the .desktop file contains an AutostartCondition referencing the gconf key, it seems like it's intended to be compatible | 17:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524882 in gnome-keyring "Disregards gconf daemon-components settings in 2.29" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524882 | 17:40 |
| * kenvandine -> lunch | 17:40 | |
| seb128 | maxb, ok, reopen the bug then | 17:40 |
| seb128 | it does make sense | 17:41 |
| seb128 | but if the autostart does check the key I'm not sure why it doesn't work | 17:41 |
| mdeslaur | jcastro: so, do you have an example text blurb when opening upstream bugs with application indicator patches? | 17:57 |
| jcastro | mdeslaur: I do, one moment | 17:59 |
| jcastro | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654 | 17:59 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 609654 in applets "Support for application-indicators/StatusNotifierIcon" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 17:59 |
| jcastro | mdeslaur: adjust accordingly | 17:59 |
| mdeslaur | thanks jcastro | 17:59 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, ping | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, pong | 18:32 |
| rodrigo_ | hi kenvandine | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | got a libu1 release? | 18:33 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, the FFE for couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb was accepted by pitti, so just proposed both branches for merging and added you as reviewer, so please have a look and approve/merge them if they look ok | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | thx | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | will do | 18:33 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, will do it later, we still have one branch missing for the release | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | ok | 18:34 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, aquarius is looking at a problem on the server | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | i have the rb plugin queued up, but was waiting for libu1 | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | ok | 18:34 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, when's the deadline for alpha3? | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | i want to upload it today if we can | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | tomorrow is freeze | 18:35 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 18:35 |
| rodrigo_ | tonight (my time) it should be done, I hope | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | ok | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | great | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | doing the download progress stuff? | 18:36 |
| dobey | hrmm | 18:43 |
| dobey | playing an ogg in rhythmbox uses ~10% cpu instead of ~25% | 18:44 |
| dobey | and playing an mp3 that's not in my library, but just dragged into the play queue uses about ~10% instead of ~25% | 18:45 |
| dobey | so I guess there's something with the library going on | 18:45 |
| dobey | pitti: ^ :) | 18:45 |
| pitti | dobey: right, I downgraded gtk here (without csd), and that fixed it | 18:46 |
| dobey | weird | 18:46 |
| dobey | that makes absolutely no sense at all :) | 18:46 |
| pitti | to me neither, TBH | 18:47 |
| dobey | of course 5% for rbox and 5% for pulseaudio isn't great | 18:49 |
| dobey | better than 25+5, but still awful :) | 18:49 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, yes, that's the branch that needs testing/merging | 18:52 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, thx | 18:54 |
| bigon | there is a new release of empathy, could you wait until I've uploaded the package into debian (and after that remerge with with?) | 18:55 |
| hyperair | pitti: i hear gpm is going to get appind support. how will it handle telling the user how much time is remaining on battery? | 18:58 |
| pitti | hyperair: same as it does right now? the remaining battery time is in the menu | 18:59 |
| hyperair | pitti: eh? menu? not a tooltip? | 18:59 |
| pitti | I guess not | 19:00 |
| * hyperair sighs. okay then, thanks | 19:00 | |
| kenvandine | bigon, sure | 19:05 |
| kenvandine | i already started, but i'll wait :) | 19:05 |
| bigon | ok | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | thx | 19:07 |
| dobey | pitti, hyperair: eh? indicators can't have tooltips? | 19:35 |
| dobey | blah, update-manager says there are package errors, but won't tell me what | 19:36 |
| hyperair | dobey: yes, indicators can't have tooltips. | 19:36 |
| dobey | hyperair: because they're a menu, or because the api doesn't have support for tooltips? | 19:36 |
| dobey | because can't sounds more like it should be "don't currently" | 19:37 |
| hyperair | dobey: tedg said there were no plans to support it. | 19:37 |
| hyperair | at all | 19:37 |
| dobey | eh, just be like me and don't use indicators | 19:38 |
| dobey | :) | 19:38 |
| hyperair | dobey: notification area icons are being replaced by indicators. have fun. | 20:24 |
| hyperair | dobey: that means everything that used to reside in the notification area loses its tooltips. including rhythmbox, banshee and whatever other media player you've been using. | 20:24 |
| hyperair | rejoice, for this is progress. or something. | 20:25 |
| dobey | hyperair: they're supposed to fall back to notification area | 20:26 |
| dobey | and the media player shouldn't be there anyway, so i don't really care about that | 20:26 |
| dobey | and I don't ever use those tooltips really either | 20:27 |
| hyperair | well good for you =\ | 20:27 |
| dobey | (the network/power/etc.. tooltips) | 20:27 |
| dobey | but the tooltips should remain on the status icons | 20:27 |
| dobey | just the indicators won't have them | 20:27 |
| bryceh | ccheney, do you know if that bug with greasemonkey causing firefox to not work right has been fixed? It's a real style cramper ;-) | 20:43 |
| ccheney | bryceh: not sure i haven't looked into it | 20:45 |
| asac | didrocks: where did you implement the 2d/3d discovery? | 21:50 |
| asac | e.g. what file/package | 21:51 |
| bigon | kenvandine: uploaded to debian | 22:58 |
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