[03:47] <crimsun> TheMuso: any qualms for a bugfix-only pulse upload RSN?  (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/ is current)
[03:47] <TheMuso> crimsun: let me have a peak, but not at this point I think we're fine.
[03:49] <TheMuso> crimsun: looks ok fire away.
[03:49] <crimsun> TheMuso: ok
[07:09] <pitti> Good morning
[07:10] <pitti> ccheney: I'm still not entirely sure whether the entirety of language-support-* is obsolete or just language-support-writing; ArneGoetje?
[07:17] <baptistemm> hello
[08:12] <didrocks> good morning
[08:15] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:16] <didrocks> hey pitti, how was your week-end?
[08:16] <pitti> pretty good; did the moving of my grandparents on Saturday, and had some nice walking yesterday, and visiting friends
[08:17] <didrocks> sweet :)
[08:19] <baptistemm> hey friends
[08:20] <didrocks> salut baptistemm
[08:20] <baptistemm> salut didrocks
[08:20] <baptistemm> I played with a VM this weekedn, installaing a 8.04 and upgrading to 10.04
[08:21] <baptistemm> at the end of the upgrading update-manager crashed and didn't finished cleaning the useless packages and leftover from 8.04
[08:21] <baptistemm> but the weirder thing is I had strange package like anjuta being installed for an unknown reason
[08:25] <didrocks> baptistemm: can you log some bugs about that?
[08:26] <baptistemm> it was on my todo luist, but I wanted to try again :)
[08:26] <didrocks> baptistemm: maybe just after alpha3?
[08:27] <baptistemm> yeah, I think that'll better
[08:33] <baptistemm> at least now it is a breath to install a vm with a ssd
[08:42] <didrocks> heh :)
[08:50] <seb128> good morning there
[08:50] <pitti> bnjour seb128
[08:50] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: net network-manager landed \o/
[08:51]  * pitti congratulates seb128 for having 0 work items now
[08:51]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:53] <seb128> oh nice you fixed that gnome-menus update bug too
[08:53] <pitti> well, only half of it
[08:53] <pitti> it still needs a trivial change in nvidia's postinst
[08:56] <didrocks> salut seb128, bon week-end? :)
[08:56] <seb128> lu didrocks
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:11] <baptistemm> hi chrisccoulson
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> hey baptistemm, how are you?
[09:11] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, did you have a good weekend?
[09:12] <pitti> I did indeed, how about your's?
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> it was ok thanks. i spent friday and saturday preparing my new work area
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> and then relaxed yesterday
[09:13] <pitti> at home?
[09:14] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah. i had some new furniture arrive on friday
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> ?
[09:15] <seb128> good!
[09:15] <seb128> you?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm quite good this morning thanks
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> i finally got my laptop hooked up to the external monitor this weekend, and was hoping to make gsd crash by cycling video modes with Fn+F8
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> but Fn+F8 is mapped incorrectly on my laptop
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> i was quite surprised
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti knows about that stuff ;)
[09:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you get the wrong key in xev?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah. it's mapped to "f"
[09:18] <pitti> lol
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> that's what i thought too ;)
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can you please walk though /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt.gz and tell me the missing scancode ?
[09:18] <pitti> s/missing/wrong/
[09:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'd appreciate if you could file an udev bug for it, so that we have a record to point to in the upstream commit
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i can do that (but when i get home from work)
[09:19] <baptistemm> does mvo come here?
[09:19] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[09:20] <pitti> baptistemm: yes, usually
[09:20] <baptistemm> okay, thanks
[09:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: better than before the weekend, thanks :)
[09:20] <baptistemm> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/519357
[09:21] <baptistemm> perhaps I should start with a 6.06 as mvo did
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, is the installer known to be broken?
[09:28] <seb128> I tried to install current i386 desktop on the mini
[09:28] <pitti> urgh, again? it just got fixed two days ago
[09:28] <asac> hehe
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: how does it manifest? last known breakage was that it didn't show the partitioning at all
[09:28] <seb128> but it doesn't display partitionning screen
[09:28] <pitti> and then crashed right when it wanted to start installing
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: ok, so still that
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, that was before weekend, let me rsync and try again today
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: yes, got fixed on Friday
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: we have a chart for today on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/netbook.html
[09:29] <seb128> ok good
[09:29] <pitti> which indicates that today's image should work
[09:29] <seb128> rsync running
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: the netbook image is 640Mo with gwibber this morning :)
[09:47] <pitti> yep, removal of gnumeric/abiword helped a lot
[09:47] <pitti> ubuntu CDs fit again as well
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: I'll readd OO calc so
[09:47] <pitti> oh, and we got new langpacks \o/
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti: hum? on the netbook CD? I only see -en and -es
[09:48] <pitti> didrocks: no, uploads
[09:48] <pitti> not yet seeded back
[09:48] <pitti> they are still building
[09:48] <didrocks> oh ok
[09:49] <didrocks> so, I'm adding that to the CD, some langpacks and OO calc
[09:51] <kklimonda> pitti: how do you decide what languages are installed bundled on the desktop cd?
[09:52] <pitti> kklimonda: we have a list of the 11 most widely spoken languages
[09:52] <pitti> we keep adding from the top until the CD is full
[09:53] <kklimonda> ach :)
[09:53] <kklimonda> makes sense
[10:06] <huats> morning
[10:06] <huats> plop
[10:18] <pitti> bonjour huats, comment vas-tu?
[10:19] <huats> gutten morgen Martin !
[10:19] <huats> I am fine thanks ! You ?
[10:19] <pitti> I'm great, merci
[10:19] <pitti> funny that davidbarth and you make the same typo in "guten" :)
[10:20]  * pitti wonders about German teachers in France
[10:21] <huats> pitti, actually i have never learnt german :)
[10:24] <huats> seb128, hello !
[10:26] <huats> I have a question regarding deskbar-applet. I think there are building issues due to the included documentation. speaking with didrocks he told me that I should mention that to you :)
[10:27] <didrocks> also I told that you should ask upstream to include a built documentation in the tarball :)
[10:27] <huats> indeed :)
[10:27] <huats> but I need to talk to master seb128 first ;)
[10:27] <seb128> hi huats
[10:28] <seb128> other people can usually reply to questions too just ask there
[10:28] <seb128> I try to reduce IRC time atm because some days I don't manage to get any work done otherwise
[10:28] <seb128> what is the question?
[10:35] <huats> not really a question :)
[10:36] <huats> just to let you know that the deskbar-applet build fails during the building documentation, since it is not built in the tarball
[10:36] <huats> I will ask upstream to include it
[10:36] <huats> (since didrockstold me that is what you told him to do in such occasion)
[10:51] <seb128> huats, right do that and you can also update the package to build it for now
[10:51] <seb128> brb
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> bryceh - what do you need me to do to get the commit from this bug report in to lucid: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25855
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> (so then users will stop harassing me about broken screensaver inhibiting ;) )
[11:46] <pitti> asac: new langpacks are built (for German, anyway), but the Yahoo start page is still in English; should that work now? or is the German translation just missing?
[11:46] <pitti> ArneGoetje: ^ FYI
[11:46] <asac> pitti: the startpage is a problem of the website
[11:46] <asac> pitti: try the searchplugin
[11:46] <asac> that should go to de.search.yahoo.com
[11:47] <pitti> asac: right, "Yahoo Deutschland"
[11:47] <pitti> I search for "pizza" and it gives me all German links
[11:47] <asac> nice ;)
[11:47] <pitti> great, so that's how it's designed to be then?
[11:47] <asac> pitti: so for the website thats something online services has to fix
[11:47] <pitti> sweet
[11:48] <asac> most likely they dont honour Accept-Language yet
[11:48] <dpm> pitti, asac, online services take care of uploading the translations to the server, they are not in language packs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/BrowserStartPage
[11:48] <asac> i know
[11:48]  * pitti flips WI to done then, thanks for the heads-up
[11:49] <pitti> kenvandine: the four remaining "add exception handlers..." on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-social-from-the-start, what are those about? just stability? sounds like they could be moved to beta-1?
[11:58] <Laney> seb128: there is a mono merge in bug 525063 if you fancy it
[12:01] <asac> plesae no mono upload before a3
[12:01] <asac> thx
[12:04] <Laney> sure
[12:05] <asac> let me do a testbuild in a native ppa
[12:05] <asac> if that finishes today we can upload still i think
[12:06] <pitti> cassidy: a few days ago empathy broke with ICQ for me, it always says "network error" when authenticating; there's nothing in telepathy-haze's debug console, and it works just fine with pidgin; how would I go about debugging this?
[12:14] <seb128> pitti, pidgin.im says to uncheck client login in pidgin
[12:14] <seb128> I had to do this, I guess something changed server side
[12:15] <seb128> but empathy doesn't allow to uncheck that option
[12:24] <pitti> seb128: "client login"?
[12:25] <pitti> seb128: oh, I unchecked "use TLS" in pidgin indeed
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, I'm just typing what is on http://pidgin.im
[12:25] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[12:25] <seb128> np
[12:26] <pitti> I wonder why it works just fine in karmic; my wife has no problems with it at all
[12:30]  * didrocks recreates a new squashfs, enough time to make some coffee :)
[12:31] <asac> seb128: why is "Trash" not availabe in places?
[12:32] <seb128> asac, because it's already in the default panel in a corner
[12:32] <asac> hmm
[12:32] <seb128> and in the nautilus go menu too
[12:33] <seb128> and in the sidebar
[12:33] <asac> not for me ;)
[12:33] <asac> spatial
[12:33] <asac> but ok ..
[12:33] <asac> its just that my mom couldnt find it ... and telling her: look in Places would have been easier than: look at the panel at the right corner ;)
[12:34] <seb128> right
[12:34] <asac> wonder where it is in UNE
[12:35] <seb128> nautilus defaults to browser in ubuntu
[12:35] <seb128> so it's in the sidebar of any nautilus window
[12:36] <asac> right. anyway, i am sure on UNE it could deserve a places entry ;)
[12:36] <asac> or some other special top level place
[12:39] <pitti> is anyone particularly affected with g-s-t? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window is currently unowned
[12:40] <pitti> I'm fine with ignoring it for lucid, but if someone likes it, it's still time to test and reenable services-admin
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> pitti - milanbv keeps asking me about this
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> if you want me to bring it back, i can build it in to a separate package when i next do a g-s-t upload
[12:42] <chrisccoulson> i think seb128 has reservations about installing it by default again
[12:42] <pitti> so would I
[12:42] <pitti> it's a "shoot yourself into the foot" thing
[12:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, *I* don't particularly want it back
[12:43] <pitti> I just asked if someone feels like "oooh I want that and have some cycles to check it out" :)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> are you happy for me to put it in to a separate package?
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> thats quite easy for me to do
[12:44] <pitti> that's fine, and keeping it in universe
[12:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so, if you want to, please feel free to assign https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window to yourself
[12:48] <didrocks> pitti: do you feel confortable sponsoring a casper change today? I've rebuilt my own netbook live cd and it's working. I can still rebuilt an ubuntu desktop CD to see that the script doesn't kill it
[12:48] <didrocks> (it's for the ubiquity icon)
[12:49] <pitti> didrocks: ooh, please
[12:50] <pitti> didrocks: nothing in lp:ubuntu/casper yet, though?
[12:50] <didrocks> pitti: right, I didn't push yet. let me the time to fill the changelog :)
[12:51] <vish> seb128: hi.. iirc , we wont be using evolution 2.30 , but will be sticking with evo 2.28 for lucid.. right?  Bug #424416 requires a small patch which has bee committed upstream , switching the accelerators > http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=d7dbab49b5b3f8603286fa5c54332b93bbeca9d6
[12:52] <vish> been*
[12:53] <seb128> vish, did they commit the change to gnome-2-28?
[12:53] <seb128> vish, they will roll a new 2.28 tarball next week which we will get in lucid
[12:53] <vish> seb128: i dont think so.
[12:53] <vish> let me check
[12:53] <seb128> can you try to get them to do that?
[12:53] <seb128> or ask on #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[12:54] <vish> seb128: mbarnes mentions >  I've swapped the "Save" and "Save as Draft" shortcuts for Evolution
[12:54] <vish> 2.29.91.
[12:54] <seb128> could you ask them anyway for 2.28?
[12:54] <seb128> would be easier to have that change there too
[12:54]  * vish will ask
[12:54] <vish> thanks..
[12:55] <seb128> vish, thank you
[12:57] <didrocks> pitti: lp:~didrocks/casper/ubiquity-une
[13:02] <pitti> didrocks: looks fine! uploaded, thanks for fixing this
[13:03] <didrocks> pitti: you're welcome :)
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - how do i change the assignee of a spec? (or can't i do that)?
[13:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you don't have an edit button after assignee?
[13:11]  * pitti assigns to you
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[13:12] <pitti> thanks to you!
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> no, i can't see an edit button
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> i need more power ;)
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can see an edit button now it's assigned to me
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i needed to subscribe first?
[13:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm not entirely sure about the LP magic in the BP tracker..
[13:15] <baptistemm> pedro?
[13:20] <pitti> I need to leave for some 2.5 hours, bbl
[13:47] <kenvandine> pitti, yes they can
[13:50] <didrocks> kenvandine: gwibber in UNE CD last build, btw :)
[13:50] <kenvandine> woot!
[14:46] <al-maisan> Are thunderbird 3 and enigmail conflicting packages these days? enigmail de-installs thunderbird 3 and vice versa.
[14:56] <kenvandine> good morning rickspencer3
[14:56] <rickspencer3> good morning kenvandine
[15:17] <nfe> Hello Guys!
[15:17] <nfe> Can anyone helps me?
[15:18] <nfe> /join ubuntu-bugs-announce
[15:23] <rickspencer3> didrocks, wow, a lot of contributions to quickly over the weekend!
[15:23] <didrocks> rickspencer3: indeed, Philip really rocks :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, seen quickshot?
[15:24] <kenvandine> looks cool
[15:24]  * kenvandine hasn't actually tried it
[15:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, what is quickshot?
[15:24] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[15:25] <kenvandine> created with quickly
[15:25] <kenvandine> :)
[15:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, nice
[15:26] <kenvandine> a way to get more people to contribute to the manual :)
[15:26] <kenvandine> smart
[16:14] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks: can one of you make the empathy upgrade?
[16:15] <kenvandine> seb128, i will
[16:15] <kenvandine> should get it done today
[16:16] <pitti> will that fix my ICQ? :-)
[16:16] <baptistemm> who is still using ICQ, that"s 90's
[16:16] <baptistemm> :)
[16:17] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:17] <kenvandine> np
[16:17] <pitti> well, all of my friends are..
[16:17] <seb128> pitti, I doubt it
[16:17] <seb128> I'm using ICQ too
[16:17] <pitti> I was just whining anyway
[16:17] <kenvandine> :)
[16:17] <seb128> cassidy, there?
[16:17] <baptistemm> pitti, no offense :)
[16:17] <pitti> seb128: I already pinged cassidy earlier today about hints how to debug this; I don't get any error message from telepathy-haze in the dbg console
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, right, and I've not seen him reply
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - if you adjust the brightness of your screen using the brightness keys, do you expect the brightness to be restored between sessions?
[16:18] <seb128> but he did roll a new tarball so he's around :p
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> (sorry, random question ;) )
[16:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I wouldn't expect it
[16:18] <pitti> why?
[16:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you could think so, or at least you could assume it does when not touching the keyboard for 15 seconds
[16:18] <pitti> when I shut down and reboot my laptop 10 hours later, I'll probably at a completely different environment/daytime/etc.
[16:18] <seb128> that bug is driving me nuts when I use my laptop at confs
[16:19] <didrocks> pitti: when you have some time as you can't discuss in ICQ lp:didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid :)
[16:19] <pitti> right, but that's a completely different question :)
[16:19] <pitti> lol
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i was just wondering what other people thought. i find the current behaviour quite irritating, and wondered if there was a logical reason for it ;)
[16:19] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's certainly irritating within a session (not restoring previous level after a timeout)
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> the first thing i do when i power my laptop up is turn the display brightness down
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i could turn it down in the power preferences capplet, but that option is undiscoverable i think
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> (display brightness adjustment in power management settings?)
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you find that the brightness is not restored (to the value you set with the brightness keys) when returning from idle etc?
[16:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I can't quite remember (mostly I'm working on an external screen), but it drives seb128 mad, therefore it is a crucial bug
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> well, i can probably guess why that occurs without even looking at the code
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> when switching idle modes, the new brightness is calculated based on all the settings in gconf
[16:25] <seb128> the known bug is: take you laptop, set brightness, work, don't touch the keyboard for 15 seconds time to drink some water, it dims, touch it it doesn't go back where you were
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> but pressing the brightness keys doesn't save any new settings anywhere
[16:25] <seb128> it always go back to the default value
[16:25] <seb128> not the previously used value
[16:26] <seb128> yeah, using the applet it changes your default value when you change the slider
[16:26] <seb128> which doesn't make sense either
[16:27] <pitti> didrocks: meh, I can't commit, bzr didn't like something that I did and now it's stuck in a lock
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's annoying. i can fix that by linking the brightness keys with the slider value, but i was wondering if there's a sane reason why that's not done already (or just an oversight)? if the 2 were linked, the brightness would return to the value you set with the brightness keys
[16:27] <didrocks> pitti: oh? bzr branch again?
[16:27] <pitti> didrocks: ah, got it
[16:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, could be worth asking upstream before working on the change
[16:28]  * pitti needs to get used more to work with bound branches
[16:28] <pitti> didrocks: I suppose you want me to rebuild n-meta? or more changes ahead?
[16:28] <h00k> so, I have a few questions about RGBA. I'm seeing a few conflicting things about whether it will be included in Lucid or Lucid+1, I saw the Weekly Newsletter link to an article claiming it will be included, I was just wondering. I do see bug #491521 but I'm not quite sure what it exactly means as far as if it will be included.
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i will ask hughsie at some point. his name on #gnome-hackers suggests he doesn't want to be disturbed at the moment though
[16:28] <didrocks> pitti: no more changes in the pipe, so, feel free to rebuild it please :)
[16:29] <pitti> running
[16:31]  * didrocks hugs pitti, thanks a lot
[16:31] <didrocks> normally, we should still have some MB free for the future, I didn't add languages we don't have in the ubuntu desktop iso
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, btw speaking about the app indicator gpm change from the other day, there is no runtime fallback for those changes
[16:32] <seb128> the init can't really fail
[16:32] <seb128> the crasher should be fixed too, if you want to review the change again
[16:33] <pitti> right, my point was that there should be a test for indicator_new() returning NULL
[16:33] <pitti> and falling back to upstream behaviour?
[16:33] <seb128> it would be complicated and that's not what we decided on
[16:33] <seb128> indicator_new can't really fail
[16:34] <seb128> or you have an issue and your software is good to exit
[16:34] <pitti> didrocks: oh, that also pulled in plymouth-x11; let's see..
[16:34] <seb128> pitti, libappindicator does transparent fallback to notification area if there is no indicator
[16:34] <seb128> but it uses the same menus there than it would have used on the indicator
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: ok
[16:34] <seb128> that's how it has been decided those changes would be done
[16:35] <pitti> didrocks: uploaded
[16:35] <didrocks> pitti: I feel having extra space was needed so
[16:35] <didrocks> pitti: thanks
[16:35] <seb128> then appindicator or not is a buildtime option
[16:36] <pitti> seb128: do you happen to have the bug # handy?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 497870
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, bug #497870
[16:37] <seb128> bah
[16:37] <seb128> ;-)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[16:37] <pitti> cheers :)
[16:38] <jcastro> \o/
[16:39] <dobey> what the heck is rhythmbox doing that it requires 25% of my cpu?!
[16:39] <pitti> I was wondering the same
[16:39] <pitti> it was just playing an mp3
[16:39] <pitti> but with 45%
[16:40] <dobey> yeah, same here (though ~25%)
[16:42] <dobey> hmm, if I pause, CPU goes down
[16:42] <dobey> but plyaing it goes right back to ~25%
[16:42] <davmor2> pitti, dobey: I got 6% as a high here on Karmic and 2% as an average.
[16:42] <pitti> seb128: the bug speaks of "The crash is fixed in indicator-application trunk. So the patch should work as soon as indicator-application package is updated."; do you know whether that happened already?
[16:42] <dobey> davmor2: yes, on Karmic it was fine for me too
[16:42] <pitti> likewise
[16:42] <pitti> it just started recently in lucid
[16:42] <dobey> I wonder if it's pulseaudio in lucid causing it to spike
[16:43] <davmor2> I'll try the same track on Lucid
[16:43] <dobey> guess i'll find out soon enough since there's a pulseaudio update installing right now on my machine
[16:43] <seb128> tedg, ^
[16:43] <h00k> dobey: I've been having a lot of pulseaudio running away and taking 100% of my CPU, perhaps they're related
[16:43] <seb128> pitti, I'm about to do an appindicator upload so I will backport that change too if it's not
[16:43] <pitti> seb128: ah, sweet; I'm doing the gpm change in bzr now, but wait for your word to upload
[16:43] <seb128> dobey, pitti: it's gtk csd
[16:44] <dobey> davmor2: any track will do it. it's unrelated. It just has to be playing.
[16:44] <seb128> doing the rhythmbox cpu use
[16:44] <pitti> oh, does gtk do mp3 decoding now, too?
[16:44]  * pitti hugs gtk
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: then wouldn't it do it while not playing an mp3 also?
[16:44] <seb128> lol
[16:44] <seb128> dobey, no, it seems to be triggered when there is a title update
[16:44] <dobey> seb128: i don't think that's the problem here
[16:44] <seb128> bratsche is working on those performances issues
[16:45] <dobey> and I don't seem to have client side deco here anyway
[16:45] <seb128> well try downgrading gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 and see if that works better
[16:46] <davmor2> dobey, pitti: maxes out at 36% average around 28%
[16:46] <dobey> and if it was title change, i would expect it to only spike when the title changes, for a millesecond or so, and then resume normality
[16:47] <dobey> play/puase doesn't change the title, and there's no usage when paused
[16:47] <seb128> dobey, read bug #523949
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, the appindicator fix is in lucid
[16:48] <pitti> seb128: merci; uploading gpm
[16:48] <dobey> seb128: the xorg cpu usage is fine for me. it's only rbox using ridiculous cpu here
[16:48] <seb128> dobey, ok, different issue then I guess
[16:49] <jcastro> pitti: woo, one more app indicator, thanks!
[16:50] <dobey> seb128: i might also have the title change issue, but it's not the major one for me. when i change songs rbox does spike to ~50%, but then goes back down to ~25% while playing, and ~0% while paused/idle
[16:50] <dobey> seb128: so i'm going to take a wild guess and presume it's something to do with the gst sink to pulseaudio
[16:51] <dobey> hrmm, I guess I should reboot to see if that helps too
[17:00] <dobey> Nope. no love. rbox is still ridiculous with the cpu
[17:01] <dobey> totem isn't as bad, but goes between 5-10% while playing
[17:01] <dobey> (playing an mp3)
[17:01] <dobey> hrmm
[17:01] <seb128> try play an ogg just to see?
[17:01] <dobey> so maybe it's not pulseaudio sink
[17:02] <dobey> i don't know if i even have any oggs
[17:02] <dobey> i know i don't have any ogg in my rbox library
[17:20] <pitti> seb128: same with ogg
[17:21] <seb128> pitti, downgrade gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1
[17:21] <pitti> hm, it's a minimized window.. but sure
[17:22] <seb128> pitti, did you send it to the indicator?
[17:22] <seb128> ie closed the ui?
[17:22] <pitti> seb128: you can't close it, just minimize
[17:22] <pitti> it's still in the task bar
[17:22] <seb128> you can close it
[17:22] <pitti> i. e. not close in the way you can do with empathy or gtimelog
[17:22] <pitti> if I do "show rhythmbox" in the indicator, it's just minimized
[17:23] <seb128> pitti, gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/status-icon-mode ?
[17:23] <seb128> gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/window-visible too
[17:23] <pitti> seb128: "2"
[17:23] <seb128> try 3?
[17:24] <pitti> window-visible> true
[17:24] <seb128> and close rhythmbox
[17:24] <pitti> I'll downgrade gtk first
[17:24] <seb128> ok thanks
[17:25] <pitti> seb128: right, no problem any more with gtk ubuntu1
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, ok, so it's the gtk csd issue I pointed before
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, you had 0ubuntu4 before right?
[17:26] <pitti> correct
[17:26] <pitti> thanks seb128
[17:26] <seb128> bratsche, ^ rhythmbox cpu use issue is still there for pitti
[17:26] <seb128> pitti, np
[17:39] <maxb> seb128: Concerning bug 524882, I do not believe it's invalid. Given that the .desktop file contains an AutostartCondition referencing the gconf key, it seems like it's intended to be compatible
[17:40]  * kenvandine -> lunch
[17:40] <seb128> maxb, ok, reopen the bug then
[17:41] <seb128> it does make sense
[17:41] <seb128> but if the autostart does check the key I'm not sure why it doesn't work
[17:57] <mdeslaur> jcastro: so, do you have an example text blurb when opening upstream bugs with application indicator patches?
[17:59] <jcastro> mdeslaur: I do, one moment
[17:59] <jcastro> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654
[17:59] <jcastro> mdeslaur: adjust accordingly
[17:59] <mdeslaur> thanks jcastro
[18:30] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ping
[18:32] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, pong
[18:33] <rodrigo_> hi kenvandine
[18:33] <kenvandine> got a libu1 release?
[18:33] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, the FFE for couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb was accepted by pitti, so just proposed both branches for merging and added you as reviewer, so please have a look and approve/merge them if they look ok
[18:33] <kenvandine> thx
[18:33] <kenvandine> will do
[18:34] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, will do it later, we still have one branch missing for the release
[18:34] <kenvandine> ok
[18:34] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, aquarius is looking at a problem on the server
[18:34] <kenvandine> i have the rb plugin queued up, but was waiting for libu1
[18:34] <kenvandine> ok
[18:35] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, when's the deadline for alpha3?
[18:35] <kenvandine> i want to upload it today if we can
[18:35] <kenvandine> tomorrow is freeze
[18:35] <rodrigo_> ok
[18:35] <rodrigo_> tonight (my time) it should be done, I hope
[18:36] <kenvandine> ok
[18:36] <kenvandine> great
[18:36] <kenvandine> doing the download progress stuff?
[18:43] <dobey> hrmm
[18:44] <dobey> playing an ogg in rhythmbox uses ~10% cpu instead of ~25%
[18:45] <dobey> and playing an mp3 that's not in my library, but just dragged into the play queue uses about ~10% instead of ~25%
[18:45] <dobey> so I guess there's something with the library going on
[18:45] <dobey> pitti: ^ :)
[18:46] <pitti> dobey: right, I downgraded gtk here (without csd), and that fixed it
[18:46] <dobey> weird
[18:46] <dobey> that makes absolutely no sense at all :)
[18:47] <pitti> to me neither, TBH
[18:49] <dobey> of course 5% for rbox and 5% for pulseaudio isn't great
[18:49] <dobey> better than 25+5, but still awful :)
[18:52] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, yes, that's the branch that needs testing/merging
[18:54] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, thx
[18:55] <bigon> there is a new release of empathy, could you wait until I've uploaded the package into debian (and after that remerge with with?)
[18:58] <hyperair> pitti: i hear gpm is going to get appind support. how will it handle telling the user how much time is remaining on battery?
[18:59] <pitti> hyperair: same as it does right now? the remaining battery time is in the menu
[18:59] <hyperair> pitti: eh? menu? not a tooltip?
[19:00] <pitti> I guess not
[19:00]  * hyperair sighs. okay then, thanks
[19:05] <kenvandine> bigon, sure
[19:05] <kenvandine> i already started, but i'll wait :)
[19:06] <bigon> ok
[19:07] <kenvandine> thx
[19:35] <dobey> pitti, hyperair: eh? indicators can't have tooltips?
[19:36] <dobey> blah, update-manager says there are package errors, but won't tell me what
[19:36] <hyperair> dobey: yes, indicators can't have tooltips.
[19:36] <dobey> hyperair: because they're a menu, or because the api doesn't have support for tooltips?
[19:37] <dobey> because can't sounds more like it should be "don't currently"
[19:37] <hyperair> dobey: tedg said there were no plans to support it.
[19:37] <hyperair> at all
[19:38] <dobey> eh, just be like me and don't use indicators
[19:38] <dobey> :)
[20:24] <hyperair> dobey: notification area icons are being replaced by indicators. have fun.
[20:24] <hyperair> dobey: that means everything that used to reside in the notification area loses its tooltips. including rhythmbox, banshee and whatever other media player you've been using.
[20:25] <hyperair> rejoice, for this is progress. or something.
[20:26] <dobey> hyperair: they're supposed to fall back to notification area
[20:26] <dobey> and the media player shouldn't be there anyway, so i don't really care about that
[20:27] <dobey> and I don't ever use those tooltips really either
[20:27] <hyperair> well good for you =\
[20:27] <dobey> (the network/power/etc.. tooltips)
[20:27] <dobey> but the tooltips should remain on the status icons
[20:27] <dobey> just the indicators won't have them
[20:43] <bryceh> ccheney, do you know if that bug with greasemonkey causing firefox to not work right has been fixed?  It's a real style cramper ;-)
[20:45] <ccheney> bryceh: not sure i haven't looked into it
[21:50] <asac> didrocks: where did you implement the 2d/3d discovery?
[21:51] <asac> e.g. what file/package
[22:58] <bigon> kenvandine: uploaded to debian