[03:47] TheMuso: any qualms for a bugfix-only pulse upload RSN? (lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu/ is current) [03:47] crimsun: let me have a peak, but not at this point I think we're fine. [03:49] crimsun: looks ok fire away. [03:49] TheMuso: ok [07:09] Good morning [07:10] ccheney: I'm still not entirely sure whether the entirety of language-support-* is obsolete or just language-support-writing; ArneGoetje? [07:17] hello === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [08:12] good morning [08:15] bonjour didrocks [08:16] hey pitti, how was your week-end? [08:16] pretty good; did the moving of my grandparents on Saturday, and had some nice walking yesterday, and visiting friends [08:17] sweet :) [08:19] hey friends [08:20] salut baptistemm [08:20] salut didrocks [08:20] I played with a VM this weekedn, installaing a 8.04 and upgrading to 10.04 [08:21] at the end of the upgrading update-manager crashed and didn't finished cleaning the useless packages and leftover from 8.04 [08:21] but the weirder thing is I had strange package like anjuta being installed for an unknown reason [08:25] baptistemm: can you log some bugs about that? [08:26] it was on my todo luist, but I wanted to try again :) [08:26] baptistemm: maybe just after alpha3? [08:27] yeah, I think that'll better [08:33] at least now it is a breath to install a vm with a ssd [08:42] heh :) [08:50] good morning there [08:50] bnjour seb128 [08:50] hey pitti [08:50] seb128: net network-manager landed \o/ [08:51] * pitti congratulates seb128 for having 0 work items now [08:51] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:53] oh nice you fixed that gnome-menus update bug too [08:53] well, only half of it [08:53] it still needs a trivial change in nvidia's postinst [08:56] salut seb128, bon week-end? :) [08:56] lu didrocks [09:11] good morning everyone [09:11] hi chrisccoulson [09:11] hey baptistemm, how are you? [09:11] hey chrisccoulson [09:11] hey pitti, did you have a good weekend? [09:12] I did indeed, how about your's? [09:12] it was ok thanks. i spent friday and saturday preparing my new work area [09:13] and then relaxed yesterday [09:13] at home? [09:14] hey chrisccoulson [09:14] yeah. i had some new furniture arrive on friday [09:15] hey seb128, how are you [09:15] ? [09:15] good! [09:15] you? [09:15] yeah, i'm quite good this morning thanks [09:16] i finally got my laptop hooked up to the external monitor this weekend, and was hoping to make gsd crash by cycling video modes with Fn+F8 [09:16] but Fn+F8 is mapped incorrectly on my laptop [09:17] i was quite surprised [09:17] pitti knows about that stuff ;) [09:17] chrisccoulson: you get the wrong key in xev? [09:17] pitti - yeah. it's mapped to "f" [09:18] lol === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [09:18] that's what i thought too ;) [09:18] chrisccoulson: can you please walk though /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt.gz and tell me the missing scancode ? [09:18] s/missing/wrong/ [09:18] chrisccoulson: I'd appreciate if you could file an udev bug for it, so that we have a record to point to in the upstream commit [09:19] pitti - yeah, i can do that (but when i get home from work) [09:19] does mvo come here? [09:19] good morning chrisccoulson [09:19] hey didrocks, how are you? [09:20] baptistemm: yes, usually [09:20] okay, thanks [09:20] chrisccoulson: better than before the weekend, thanks :) [09:20] asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/519357 [09:20] Ubuntu bug 519357 in bluez "conffile prompt on upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04" [High,New] [09:21] perhaps I should start with a 6.06 as mvo did [09:27] pitti, is the installer known to be broken? [09:28] I tried to install current i386 desktop on the mini [09:28] urgh, again? it just got fixed two days ago [09:28] hehe [09:28] seb128: how does it manifest? last known breakage was that it didn't show the partitioning at all [09:28] but it doesn't display partitionning screen [09:28] and then crashed right when it wanted to start installing [09:28] seb128: ok, so still that [09:28] pitti, that was before weekend, let me rsync and try again today [09:28] seb128: yes, got fixed on Friday [09:29] seb128: we have a chart for today on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/netbook.html [09:29] ok good [09:29] which indicates that today's image should work [09:29] rsync running === cypher_ is now known as czajkowski [09:46] pitti: the netbook image is 640Mo with gwibber this morning :) [09:47] yep, removal of gnumeric/abiword helped a lot [09:47] ubuntu CDs fit again as well [09:47] pitti: I'll readd OO calc so [09:47] oh, and we got new langpacks \o/ [09:48] pitti: hum? on the netbook CD? I only see -en and -es [09:48] didrocks: no, uploads [09:48] not yet seeded back [09:48] they are still building [09:48] oh ok [09:49] so, I'm adding that to the CD, some langpacks and OO calc [09:51] pitti: how do you decide what languages are installed bundled on the desktop cd? [09:52] kklimonda: we have a list of the 11 most widely spoken languages [09:52] we keep adding from the top until the CD is full [09:53] ach :) [09:53] makes sense [10:06] morning [10:06] plop [10:18] bonjour huats, comment vas-tu? [10:19] gutten morgen Martin ! [10:19] I am fine thanks ! You ? [10:19] I'm great, merci [10:19] funny that davidbarth and you make the same typo in "guten" :) [10:20] * pitti wonders about German teachers in France [10:21] pitti, actually i have never learnt german :) [10:24] seb128, hello ! [10:26] I have a question regarding deskbar-applet. I think there are building issues due to the included documentation. speaking with didrocks he told me that I should mention that to you :) [10:27] also I told that you should ask upstream to include a built documentation in the tarball :) [10:27] indeed :) [10:27] but I need to talk to master seb128 first ;) [10:27] hi huats [10:28] other people can usually reply to questions too just ask there [10:28] I try to reduce IRC time atm because some days I don't manage to get any work done otherwise [10:28] what is the question? [10:35] not really a question :) [10:36] just to let you know that the deskbar-applet build fails during the building documentation, since it is not built in the tarball [10:36] I will ask upstream to include it [10:36] (since didrockstold me that is what you told him to do in such occasion) [10:51] huats, right do that and you can also update the package to build it for now [10:51] brb [10:53] bryceh - what do you need me to do to get the commit from this bug report in to lucid: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25855 [10:53] Freedesktop bug 25855 in Server/general "Screensaver not disabled because of a XResetScreenSaver() regression" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [10:53] (so then users will stop harassing me about broken screensaver inhibiting ;) ) [11:46] asac: new langpacks are built (for German, anyway), but the Yahoo start page is still in English; should that work now? or is the German translation just missing? [11:46] ArneGoetje: ^ FYI [11:46] pitti: the startpage is a problem of the website [11:46] pitti: try the searchplugin [11:46] that should go to de.search.yahoo.com [11:47] asac: right, "Yahoo Deutschland" [11:47] I search for "pizza" and it gives me all German links [11:47] nice ;) [11:47] great, so that's how it's designed to be then? [11:47] pitti: so for the website thats something online services has to fix [11:47] sweet [11:48] most likely they dont honour Accept-Language yet [11:48] pitti, asac, online services take care of uploading the translations to the server, they are not in language packs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/BrowserStartPage [11:48] i know [11:48] * pitti flips WI to done then, thanks for the heads-up [11:49] kenvandine: the four remaining "add exception handlers..." on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-social-from-the-start, what are those about? just stability? sounds like they could be moved to beta-1? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:58] seb128: there is a mono merge in bug 525063 if you fancy it [11:58] Launchpad bug 525063 in mono "Merge mono 2.4.4~svn151842-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525063 [12:01] plesae no mono upload before a3 [12:01] thx [12:04] sure [12:05] let me do a testbuild in a native ppa [12:05] if that finishes today we can upload still i think [12:06] cassidy: a few days ago empathy broke with ICQ for me, it always says "network error" when authenticating; there's nothing in telepathy-haze's debug console, and it works just fine with pidgin; how would I go about debugging this? [12:14] pitti, pidgin.im says to uncheck client login in pidgin [12:14] I had to do this, I guess something changed server side [12:15] but empathy doesn't allow to uncheck that option [12:24] seb128: "client login"? [12:25] seb128: oh, I unchecked "use TLS" in pidgin indeed [12:25] pitti, I'm just typing what is on http://pidgin.im [12:25] seb128: thanks [12:25] np [12:26] I wonder why it works just fine in karmic; my wife has no problems with it at all [12:30] * didrocks recreates a new squashfs, enough time to make some coffee :) [12:31] seb128: why is "Trash" not availabe in places? [12:32] asac, because it's already in the default panel in a corner [12:32] hmm [12:32] and in the nautilus go menu too [12:33] and in the sidebar [12:33] not for me ;) [12:33] spatial [12:33] but ok .. [12:33] its just that my mom couldnt find it ... and telling her: look in Places would have been easier than: look at the panel at the right corner ;) [12:34] right [12:34] wonder where it is in UNE [12:35] nautilus defaults to browser in ubuntu [12:35] so it's in the sidebar of any nautilus window [12:36] right. anyway, i am sure on UNE it could deserve a places entry ;) [12:36] or some other special top level place [12:39] is anyone particularly affected with g-s-t? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window is currently unowned [12:40] I'm fine with ignoring it for lucid, but if someone likes it, it's still time to test and reenable services-admin [12:41] pitti - milanbv keeps asking me about this [12:41] if you want me to bring it back, i can build it in to a separate package when i next do a g-s-t upload [12:42] i think seb128 has reservations about installing it by default again [12:42] so would I [12:42] it's a "shoot yourself into the foot" thing [12:42] chrisccoulson: no, *I* don't particularly want it back [12:43] I just asked if someone feels like "oooh I want that and have some cycles to check it out" :) [12:43] are you happy for me to put it in to a separate package? [12:43] thats quite easy for me to do [12:44] that's fine, and keeping it in universe [12:45] chrisccoulson: so, if you want to, please feel free to assign https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-services-settings-window to yourself [12:48] pitti: do you feel confortable sponsoring a casper change today? I've rebuilt my own netbook live cd and it's working. I can still rebuilt an ubuntu desktop CD to see that the script doesn't kill it [12:48] (it's for the ubiquity icon) [12:49] didrocks: ooh, please [12:50] didrocks: nothing in lp:ubuntu/casper yet, though? [12:50] pitti: right, I didn't push yet. let me the time to fill the changelog :) [12:51] seb128: hi.. iirc , we wont be using evolution 2.30 , but will be sticking with evo 2.28 for lucid.. right? Bug #424416 requires a small patch which has bee committed upstream , switching the accelerators > http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=d7dbab49b5b3f8603286fa5c54332b93bbeca9d6 [12:51] Launchpad bug 424416 in hundredpapercuts "Evolution "Ctrl+S" should save an email as a draft" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424416 [12:52] been* [12:53] vish, did they commit the change to gnome-2-28? [12:53] vish, they will roll a new 2.28 tarball next week which we will get in lucid [12:53] seb128: i dont think so. [12:53] let me check [12:53] can you try to get them to do that? [12:53] or ask on #evolution on irc.gnome.org [12:54] seb128: mbarnes mentions > I've swapped the "Save" and "Save as Draft" shortcuts for Evolution [12:54] 2.29.91. [12:54] could you ask them anyway for 2.28? [12:54] would be easier to have that change there too [12:54] * vish will ask [12:54] thanks.. [12:55] vish, thank you [12:57] pitti: lp:~didrocks/casper/ubiquity-une [13:02] didrocks: looks fine! uploaded, thanks for fixing this === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:03] pitti: you're welcome :) [13:10] pitti - how do i change the assignee of a spec? (or can't i do that)? [13:11] chrisccoulson: you don't have an edit button after assignee? [13:11] * pitti assigns to you [13:11] pitti - thanks [13:12] thanks to you! [13:12] no, i can't see an edit button [13:12] i need more power ;) [13:13] pitti - i can see an edit button now it's assigned to me [13:13] perhaps i needed to subscribe first? [13:14] chrisccoulson: I'm not entirely sure about the LP magic in the BP tracker.. [13:15] pedro? [13:20] I need to leave for some 2.5 hours, bbl [13:47] pitti, yes they can [13:50] kenvandine: gwibber in UNE CD last build, btw :) [13:50] woot! [14:46] Are thunderbird 3 and enigmail conflicting packages these days? enigmail de-installs thunderbird 3 and vice versa. [14:56] good morning rickspencer3 [14:56] good morning kenvandine [15:17] Hello Guys! [15:17] Can anyone helps me? [15:18] /join ubuntu-bugs-announce [15:23] didrocks, wow, a lot of contributions to quickly over the weekend! [15:23] rickspencer3: indeed, Philip really rocks :) [15:23] rickspencer3, seen quickshot? [15:24] looks cool [15:24] * kenvandine hasn't actually tried it [15:24] kenvandine, what is quickshot? [15:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot [15:25] created with quickly [15:25] :) [15:26] kenvandine, nice [15:26] a way to get more people to contribute to the manual :) [15:26] smart [16:14] kenvandine, didrocks: can one of you make the empathy upgrade? [16:15] seb128, i will [16:15] should get it done today [16:16] will that fix my ICQ? :-) [16:16] who is still using ICQ, that"s 90's [16:16] :) [16:17] kenvandine, thanks [16:17] np [16:17] well, all of my friends are.. [16:17] pitti, I doubt it [16:17] I'm using ICQ too [16:17] I was just whining anyway [16:17] :) [16:17] cassidy, there? [16:17] pitti, no offense :) [16:17] seb128: I already pinged cassidy earlier today about hints how to debug this; I don't get any error message from telepathy-haze in the dbg console [16:18] pitti, right, and I've not seen him reply [16:18] hey pitti - if you adjust the brightness of your screen using the brightness keys, do you expect the brightness to be restored between sessions? [16:18] but he did roll a new tarball so he's around :p [16:18] (sorry, random question ;) ) [16:18] chrisccoulson: I wouldn't expect it [16:18] why? [16:18] chrisccoulson, you could think so, or at least you could assume it does when not touching the keyboard for 15 seconds [16:18] when I shut down and reboot my laptop 10 hours later, I'll probably at a completely different environment/daytime/etc. [16:18] that bug is driving me nuts when I use my laptop at confs [16:19] pitti: when you have some time as you can't discuss in ICQ lp:didrocks/+junk/netbook.lucid :) [16:19] right, but that's a completely different question :) [16:19] lol [16:19] pitti - i was just wondering what other people thought. i find the current behaviour quite irritating, and wondered if there was a logical reason for it ;) [16:19] chrisccoulson: it's certainly irritating within a session (not restoring previous level after a timeout) [16:20] the first thing i do when i power my laptop up is turn the display brightness down [16:20] i suppose i could turn it down in the power preferences capplet, but that option is undiscoverable i think [16:20] (display brightness adjustment in power management settings?) [16:22] pitti - do you find that the brightness is not restored (to the value you set with the brightness keys) when returning from idle etc? [16:23] chrisccoulson: I can't quite remember (mostly I'm working on an external screen), but it drives seb128 mad, therefore it is a crucial bug [16:24] heh [16:24] well, i can probably guess why that occurs without even looking at the code [16:25] when switching idle modes, the new brightness is calculated based on all the settings in gconf [16:25] the known bug is: take you laptop, set brightness, work, don't touch the keyboard for 15 seconds time to drink some water, it dims, touch it it doesn't go back where you were [16:25] but pressing the brightness keys doesn't save any new settings anywhere [16:25] it always go back to the default value [16:25] not the previously used value [16:26] yeah, using the applet it changes your default value when you change the slider [16:26] which doesn't make sense either [16:27] didrocks: meh, I can't commit, bzr didn't like something that I did and now it's stuck in a lock [16:27] yeah, that's annoying. i can fix that by linking the brightness keys with the slider value, but i was wondering if there's a sane reason why that's not done already (or just an oversight)? if the 2 were linked, the brightness would return to the value you set with the brightness keys [16:27] pitti: oh? bzr branch again? [16:27] didrocks: ah, got it [16:28] chrisccoulson, could be worth asking upstream before working on the change [16:28] * pitti needs to get used more to work with bound branches [16:28] didrocks: I suppose you want me to rebuild n-meta? or more changes ahead? [16:28] so, I have a few questions about RGBA. I'm seeing a few conflicting things about whether it will be included in Lucid or Lucid+1, I saw the Weekly Newsletter link to an article claiming it will be included, I was just wondering. I do see bug #491521 but I'm not quite sure what it exactly means as far as if it will be included. [16:28] Launchpad bug 491521 in gtk+2.0 "Decorations and RGBA" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491521 [16:28] seb128 - yeah, i will ask hughsie at some point. his name on #gnome-hackers suggests he doesn't want to be disturbed at the moment though [16:28] pitti: no more changes in the pipe, so, feel free to rebuild it please :) [16:29] running [16:31] * didrocks hugs pitti, thanks a lot [16:31] normally, we should still have some MB free for the future, I didn't add languages we don't have in the ubuntu desktop iso [16:32] pitti, btw speaking about the app indicator gpm change from the other day, there is no runtime fallback for those changes [16:32] the init can't really fail [16:32] the crasher should be fixed too, if you want to review the change again [16:33] right, my point was that there should be a test for indicator_new() returning NULL [16:33] and falling back to upstream behaviour? [16:33] it would be complicated and that's not what we decided on [16:33] indicator_new can't really fail [16:34] or you have an issue and your software is good to exit [16:34] didrocks: oh, that also pulled in plymouth-x11; let's see.. [16:34] pitti, libappindicator does transparent fallback to notification area if there is no indicator [16:34] but it uses the same menus there than it would have used on the indicator [16:34] seb128: ok [16:34] that's how it has been decided those changes would be done [16:35] didrocks: uploaded [16:35] pitti: I feel having extra space was needed so [16:35] pitti: thanks [16:35] then appindicator or not is a buildtime option [16:36] seb128: do you happen to have the bug # handy? [16:37] pitti - bug 497870 [16:37] Launchpad bug 497870 in gnome-media "Support Application Indicators" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497870 [16:37] pitti, bug #497870 [16:37] bah [16:37] ;-) [16:37] heh ;) [16:37] cheers :) [16:38] \o/ [16:39] what the heck is rhythmbox doing that it requires 25% of my cpu?! [16:39] I was wondering the same [16:39] it was just playing an mp3 [16:39] but with 45% [16:40] yeah, same here (though ~25%) [16:42] hmm, if I pause, CPU goes down [16:42] but plyaing it goes right back to ~25% [16:42] pitti, dobey: I got 6% as a high here on Karmic and 2% as an average. [16:42] seb128: the bug speaks of "The crash is fixed in indicator-application trunk. So the patch should work as soon as indicator-application package is updated."; do you know whether that happened already? [16:42] davmor2: yes, on Karmic it was fine for me too [16:42] likewise [16:42] it just started recently in lucid [16:42] I wonder if it's pulseaudio in lucid causing it to spike [16:43] I'll try the same track on Lucid [16:43] guess i'll find out soon enough since there's a pulseaudio update installing right now on my machine [16:43] tedg, ^ [16:43] dobey: I've been having a lot of pulseaudio running away and taking 100% of my CPU, perhaps they're related [16:43] pitti, I'm about to do an appindicator upload so I will backport that change too if it's not [16:43] seb128: ah, sweet; I'm doing the gpm change in bzr now, but wait for your word to upload [16:43] dobey, pitti: it's gtk csd [16:44] davmor2: any track will do it. it's unrelated. It just has to be playing. [16:44] doing the rhythmbox cpu use [16:44] oh, does gtk do mp3 decoding now, too? [16:44] * pitti hugs gtk [16:44] seb128: then wouldn't it do it while not playing an mp3 also? [16:44] lol [16:44] dobey, no, it seems to be triggered when there is a title update [16:44] seb128: i don't think that's the problem here [16:44] bratsche is working on those performances issues [16:45] and I don't seem to have client side deco here anyway [16:45] well try downgrading gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 and see if that works better [16:46] dobey, pitti: maxes out at 36% average around 28% [16:46] and if it was title change, i would expect it to only spike when the title changes, for a millesecond or so, and then resume normality [16:47] play/puase doesn't change the title, and there's no usage when paused [16:47] dobey, read bug #523949 [16:47] Launchpad bug 523949 in gtk+2.0 "the csd changes make some desktop applications hog the cpu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523949 [16:48] pitti, the appindicator fix is in lucid [16:48] seb128: merci; uploading gpm [16:48] seb128: the xorg cpu usage is fine for me. it's only rbox using ridiculous cpu here [16:48] dobey, ok, different issue then I guess [16:49] pitti: woo, one more app indicator, thanks! [16:50] seb128: i might also have the title change issue, but it's not the major one for me. when i change songs rbox does spike to ~50%, but then goes back down to ~25% while playing, and ~0% while paused/idle [16:50] seb128: so i'm going to take a wild guess and presume it's something to do with the gst sink to pulseaudio [16:51] hrmm, I guess I should reboot to see if that helps too [17:00] Nope. no love. rbox is still ridiculous with the cpu [17:01] totem isn't as bad, but goes between 5-10% while playing [17:01] (playing an mp3) [17:01] hrmm [17:01] try play an ogg just to see? [17:01] so maybe it's not pulseaudio sink [17:02] i don't know if i even have any oggs [17:02] i know i don't have any ogg in my rbox library [17:20] seb128: same with ogg [17:21] pitti, downgrade gtk to 2.19.5-1ubuntu1 [17:21] hm, it's a minimized window.. but sure [17:22] pitti, did you send it to the indicator? [17:22] ie closed the ui? [17:22] seb128: you can't close it, just minimize [17:22] it's still in the task bar [17:22] you can close it [17:22] i. e. not close in the way you can do with empathy or gtimelog [17:22] if I do "show rhythmbox" in the indicator, it's just minimized [17:23] pitti, gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/status-icon-mode ? [17:23] gconf /apps/rhythmbox/plugins/status-icon/window-visible too [17:23] seb128: "2" [17:23] try 3? [17:24] window-visible> true [17:24] and close rhythmbox [17:24] I'll downgrade gtk first [17:24] ok thanks [17:25] seb128: right, no problem any more with gtk ubuntu1 [17:26] pitti, ok, so it's the gtk csd issue I pointed before [17:26] pitti, you had 0ubuntu4 before right? [17:26] correct [17:26] thanks seb128 [17:26] bratsche, ^ rhythmbox cpu use issue is still there for pitti [17:26] pitti, np === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|break [17:39] seb128: Concerning bug 524882, I do not believe it's invalid. Given that the .desktop file contains an AutostartCondition referencing the gconf key, it seems like it's intended to be compatible [17:40] Launchpad bug 524882 in gnome-keyring "Disregards gconf daemon-components settings in 2.29" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524882 [17:40] * kenvandine -> lunch [17:40] maxb, ok, reopen the bug then [17:41] it does make sense [17:41] but if the autostart does check the key I'm not sure why it doesn't work [17:57] jcastro: so, do you have an example text blurb when opening upstream bugs with application indicator patches? [17:59] mdeslaur: I do, one moment [17:59] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654 [17:59] Gnome bug 609654 in applets "Support for application-indicators/StatusNotifierIcon" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [17:59] mdeslaur: adjust accordingly [17:59] thanks jcastro [18:30] kenvandine, ping [18:32] rodrigo_, pong [18:33] hi kenvandine [18:33] got a libu1 release? [18:33] kenvandine, the FFE for couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb was accepted by pitti, so just proposed both branches for merging and added you as reviewer, so please have a look and approve/merge them if they look ok [18:33] thx [18:33] will do [18:34] kenvandine, will do it later, we still have one branch missing for the release [18:34] ok [18:34] kenvandine, aquarius is looking at a problem on the server [18:34] i have the rb plugin queued up, but was waiting for libu1 [18:34] ok [18:35] kenvandine, when's the deadline for alpha3? [18:35] i want to upload it today if we can [18:35] tomorrow is freeze [18:35] ok [18:35] tonight (my time) it should be done, I hope [18:36] ok [18:36] great [18:36] doing the download progress stuff? [18:43] hrmm [18:44] playing an ogg in rhythmbox uses ~10% cpu instead of ~25% [18:45] and playing an mp3 that's not in my library, but just dragged into the play queue uses about ~10% instead of ~25% [18:45] so I guess there's something with the library going on [18:45] pitti: ^ :) [18:46] dobey: right, I downgraded gtk here (without csd), and that fixed it [18:46] weird [18:46] that makes absolutely no sense at all :) [18:47] to me neither, TBH [18:49] of course 5% for rbox and 5% for pulseaudio isn't great [18:49] better than 25+5, but still awful :) [18:52] kenvandine, yes, that's the branch that needs testing/merging [18:54] rodrigo_, thx [18:55] there is a new release of empathy, could you wait until I've uploaded the package into debian (and after that remerge with with?) [18:58] pitti: i hear gpm is going to get appind support. how will it handle telling the user how much time is remaining on battery? [18:59] hyperair: same as it does right now? the remaining battery time is in the menu [18:59] pitti: eh? menu? not a tooltip? [19:00] I guess not [19:00] * hyperair sighs. okay then, thanks [19:05] bigon, sure [19:05] i already started, but i'll wait :) [19:06] ok [19:07] thx [19:35] pitti, hyperair: eh? indicators can't have tooltips? [19:36] blah, update-manager says there are package errors, but won't tell me what [19:36] dobey: yes, indicators can't have tooltips. [19:36] hyperair: because they're a menu, or because the api doesn't have support for tooltips? [19:37] because can't sounds more like it should be "don't currently" [19:37] dobey: tedg said there were no plans to support it. [19:37] at all [19:38] eh, just be like me and don't use indicators [19:38] :) [20:24] dobey: notification area icons are being replaced by indicators. have fun. [20:24] dobey: that means everything that used to reside in the notification area loses its tooltips. including rhythmbox, banshee and whatever other media player you've been using. [20:25] rejoice, for this is progress. or something. [20:26] hyperair: they're supposed to fall back to notification area [20:26] and the media player shouldn't be there anyway, so i don't really care about that [20:27] and I don't ever use those tooltips really either [20:27] well good for you =\ [20:27] (the network/power/etc.. tooltips) [20:27] but the tooltips should remain on the status icons [20:27] just the indicators won't have them [20:43] ccheney, do you know if that bug with greasemonkey causing firefox to not work right has been fixed? It's a real style cramper ;-) [20:45] bryceh: not sure i haven't looked into it [21:50] didrocks: where did you implement the 2d/3d discovery? [21:51] e.g. what file/package [22:58] kenvandine: uploaded to debian