[02:36] hiii everyone [02:49] hey, humphreybc. [02:49] how are we going? get some sleep? [02:50] yep, I got some sleep. [02:50] now I have to decide if I'm going to just stay up 'til 1200UTC for my talk and then nap afterward or try to nap beforehand. :) [02:51] that's what i have to decide. go to bed and wake up at 3am, then stay up for the rest of the day, or stay up till 3am and push on all day with no sleep [02:51] the second set of talks are on the same day as my first set... first set start at 4am tuesday, second set start at 5pm that same day. so i should probably get some sleep tonight :S [02:51] it's gonna be a LONG day tomorrow [02:52] agreed. [03:47] might go to the supermarket and stock up on energy drinks [03:47] i need to finish my slides [03:51] ditto [03:52] gonna head to the grocery store, too. [03:54] lol [03:54] it'll be interesting to see how many people actually show up to 48 hours [03:54] and also, _what_ types of people [03:55] godbyk: i see your new "godbyk-android" handle, nice! I'll have a "humphreybc-android" handle later this week :P [03:56] godbyk: i don't know how much of a music buff you are, but can android handle FLAC? [03:56] I'm not sure if it does FLAC or not, I haven't tried. [04:00] btw guys, some cool stuff... the manual was mentioned in the UK podcast last week, http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ [04:00] (see underneath the photo of the two boys, "Manual without jargon!" [04:00] and also, omgubuntu.co.uk is covering the 48 hours event live [04:01] Joey is putting up a banner on his site, he's already announced it today and tomorrow he'll join us in some sessions and do some live blogging of it :) [04:01] so no pressure on the teachers or anything xD [04:05] cool [04:59] godbyk: i'm just pushing my new slides in the branch. could you add your slides and handout to it as well, and then host them all on your server? [04:59] please :) [05:06] sure. [05:06] as soon as I finish my slides and handout. :-) [05:21] hello? [05:24] does this manual days begin now? [05:37] hello? [05:46] jazz: Hey. [05:46] The 48-hours sessions will be starting at 1500 UTC. [05:56] * humphreybc is proud to present the new branding for UMP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual [06:01] hm. i like, but what happens when the title page changes? === IlyaHaykinson2 is now known as IlyaHaykinson_ [06:04] IlyaHaykinson I can just change them in the PSD source file pretty easily [06:05] yes it's a well known fact I use photoshop :) [06:07] certainly; i'm not saying it's not possible. just seems time-intensive -- iconography is usually a bit less specific [06:11] yeah i couldn't think of anything else [06:11] :) [06:16] it's certainly a higher quality icon than last time :P [06:21] heh. true. [06:22] *sigh* i'm always so bummed out after browsing a photo store's website. the lenses i want are soooo expensive. [06:22] heh [06:22] what lenses do you want? [06:23] i did some new portraits yesterday, last 8 photos on this page: http://www.interesting.co.nz/portrait.html [06:23] some nice wide-angle ones. 14mm or so. [06:23] (with my new lens) [06:25] nice. you shoot canon? [06:26] nope, sony :D [06:26] sony alpha [06:26] ah. [06:26] never played with it [06:26] sony alphas are pretty nice [06:27] i've got an older one that has fairly bad noise at high iso [06:27] but the a900 and a700 are amazing [06:27] my friend went into the store set on buying a canon and came out with an a700 saying the canon's just didn't even compare to the sony, and the sony was cheaper too [06:27] :) [06:29] i am a nikon guy myself... so i barely know the other manufacturer's lines [06:29] dutchie should be awake soon so he can update the ical with the PDF slides :) [06:29] yeah it's one of those things, when you choose a brand you can't really switch because of all the lenses and accessories [06:30] exactly. and some of the choices were made for me (i ended up kind of inheriting some nikon stuff) [06:32] ah well there you go [06:45] humphreybc: I'll upload the slides in just a bit. [06:55] * humphreybc is trying to teach mum how to use skype, but her video is upside down in skype on ubuntu! [07:24] skype on ubuntu never impressed me with being stable. [07:25] of course compared to ekiga it's the pinnacle of perfection [07:47] humphreybc, dutchie: I've uploaded the slides here: http://kevin.godby.org/ubuntu-manual/talks/ [08:02] I'm going to run on the treadmill. I'll be back in about 20 minutes. (Then I'll clean up my slides and handout, proofread 'em, etc.) [08:24] cool [08:27] ok, time to sleep. see y'all in the classroom in several hours [08:31] back. [08:31] see ya IlyaHaykinson [08:36] humphreybc changing the resolution for quickshot is going well however I think we will have a dependency for quickshot in the ppa. It is http://willem.engen.nl/projects/disper/, It is only needed for nvidia, and I can detect,download it and install it but that means people can uninstall it when they are doing a system clean up. Do you think it should be a dependacy? [08:37] can we get away without it? [08:38] it is the only way I know of to change the resolution "on the fly" on nvidia cards. [08:40] saying that I have just discovered that we may not need it, I shall work on that. [08:40] I could depend on what version on nvidia driver that the user is running [08:41] Also I have some window ideas that would be seen when you login to the quickshot user. http://imagebin.org/85984. Do we need something like that? [08:44] ubuntujenkins: for the bottom two dialogs, why not post those in place of the first dialog? [08:45] forcing me to click OK (the only option) and them telling me you couldn't do what you said you were going to do feels like you're wasting my time. [08:46] makes more sense I might have to rewrite how the script works. But good suggestion. [08:46] also, should we give the user the option to manually change the screen res (especially if we can't do it automatically) and continue taking screenshots? [08:47] When you're designing the work flow, at each step you should stop and think, "Do I *really* need to bother the user with this? Can I do this automatically?" [08:47] nice I like it. That would only cover proprietry ati cards. I do have no clue on work flow thanks for the input godbyk [08:48] Finally, if you can't automatically adjust the resolution, but you know how the user could do so, provide those instructions to the user. [08:49] * godbyk is happy his HCI degree comes in handy. :-) [08:50] Sure I think we shall impliment that. Thanks godbyk [08:50] * ubuntujenkins is off to lectures [08:50] See ya. [09:03] okay i'm heading to bed, i'm setting my alarm for 1400 UTC, an hour before the first session. [09:03] make sure that dutchie sorts out the ical thing with the PDF slides [09:03] and that the branch has the slides in them too :) [09:07] night! see ya'll in 5 hours === godbyk2 is now known as godbyk-android [14:06] waking up at 3am isn't the most favourable of conditions for the human body [14:07] humphreybc: Neither is staying away all day and night (the approach I'm currently taking). [14:07] hahaha [14:07] (Tried to nap; failed.) [14:07] bummer! [14:07] i got about 4 hours sleep [14:08] About now is when I've been falling asleep. Sadly, I have four hours before my talk starts and I have to stay awake through it. :-) [14:08] eeek [14:08] has it started yet? [14:08] load up on coffee [14:08] starts at 1500 [14:08] humphreybc: I emailed dutchie the links to our slides. I'm not sure if he's updated the ical or not. [14:09] woops I knew that I feel like an idiot? got confused. [14:10] godbyk: crap i hope he has [14:10] he knows we want them in the thingy [14:10] I don't know how I can check. [14:10] I think gmail may be playing with time zones or something. I emailed dutchie, and I got a response back from him saying 'thanks', then he emailed the list asking for slides. [14:11] but I can't tell if he emailed the list before or after I emailed him. [14:11] gmail gives me a different timestamp on the email depending on whether I look at it in my inbox or the individual email. [14:11] so I emailed him again a bit ago just to make sure I was clear that all of the slides (except his) are on my site. [14:12] I did add links to each session's slides to the wiki page as well, in case people have to download them manually. [14:13] well it's 2pm in london now [14:13] i'll facebook him [14:18] what's the URL where the pdfs are hosted? [14:19] http://kevin.godby.org/ubuntu-manual/talks/ [14:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid/LernidEvent [14:21] i wonder where dutchie is hosting the config file [14:25] godbyk have you got lernid installed? [14:25] might be a good idea to join ##ubuntu-cr and ##ubuntu-cr-chat [14:28] humphreybc: yeah, I do. [14:28] fire it up and connect to our event [14:28] then hit schedule [14:28] i think the first class isn't there? [14:28] humphreybc: Do we want to join ##ubuntu-cr or #ubuntu-classroom? [14:29] ughhh [14:29] crap [14:29] did anyone say which one? [14:29] humphreybc: also, you're right.. the first class isn't listed. (though I thought it was earlier when I looked) [14:29] when I log in to lernid, it adds me to the #ubuntu-classroom channel. [14:30] i think classroom yeah [14:30] don't forget -chat, too [14:32] so in theory, at exactly 1500 UTC i should be given a voice in #ubuntu-classroom right? [14:32] in theory, yeah. [14:32] should give voice to all the session leaders/helpers. [14:32] though I'm worried about your first session not appearing in the list [14:32] and if the ical stuff isn't working, then we'll just have to point people to your list of files. apparently if i type a URL in classroom it will open it in lernid [14:33] okay i'll ping nhandler [14:33] did you find dutchie? [14:33] nope [14:34] k [14:34] that is a worry that my session aint in the list [14:35] i wonder if the lernid schedule is tied to http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html [14:35] my question is: if the session isn't on the schedule, does the bot know about it? [14:35] well nhandler's session has it correct in the URL i just pasted [14:35] I *think* Jono set up the Lernid schedule for us a week ago [14:35] hence why it might be out [14:36] but the one here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html is correct [14:36] and since nhandler is running the bot, hopefully the bot knows... [14:36] i pinged nhandler and cjohnston already [14:36] hi d0od [14:36] we meet again :P [14:37] godbyk: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ [14:37] hey HBC [14:38] lernid working okay? [14:38] hopefully :S [14:38] the schedule is a bit out [14:38] and we're worried the bot won't give the teacher a voice [14:38] but we should be okay with a bit of luck [14:39] guys, backup plan if we don't get a voice in the main classroom channel: we can either find an ubuntu member and get them to make us an OP so we can talk, or we can run the session from chat [14:39] backup plan if dutchie hasn't added the PDFs to the ical: point everyone to the download link for the pdf :D [14:40] sounds good. [14:40] godbyk could you check your logs from the training session we had for the bot, and tell me what channel popey said we should hang about in for members? [14:41] sure [14:41] so is lernid supposed to magically change at exactly 1500 to display the PDF on the right, if dutchie has indeed added them to the preferences file? [14:43] humphreybc: #ubuntu-ops [14:43] sweet [14:43] no clue about the pdfs [14:44] hmm. why do i not like leaving it all up to a bot and an englishman [14:45] lol [14:45] lol @ humphreybc [14:47] humphreybc: for your phone (whenever you get it): http://preyproject.com/ [14:50] I saw that the other day, but for laptop - they have an android app? [14:51] yep [14:52] nice [14:52] humphreybc: nervous? [14:52] haha nope [14:53] classbot is running in the classroom channel [14:54] and i'm just talking to some ubuntu members in #ubuntu-ops who are going to chill out and if it doesn't work they'll OP us [14:54] 123 people in the room so far, but we started with 115 [14:54] i'm hoping more than 8 will turn up :P [14:54] cool [14:55] * godbyk wishes he had some caffeine in the house [14:55] you don't?! [14:55] I was there for ages [14:55] nope [14:55] * humphreybc 5 minutes, fingers crossed! [14:55] frak. i don't think Lernid is working for me... [14:55] really? [14:55] what's not happening? [14:57] Phew! Working now [14:57] nice [14:57] every computing device in my room just started making noises about five minutes ago telling me that your session starts soon. [14:58] hahaha [14:58] yeah i had two alarms set... imagine if i didn't wake up [14:58] google calendar emailed and SMS'd and it all cascaded to my computers and phone and everything. [14:58] just got op'ed on the main room thanks to elky [14:59] seconds away. [14:59] cool [14:59] yay it loaded the new page [15:00] humphreybc: you'll have to field your own questions since I'm not a session helper. [15:00] ok hang on [15:00] someone ask a test question in Lernid [15:01] classbot! [15:01] yay! [15:01] oh, wait, here we go. [15:01] classbot just woke up. [15:01] did it do you though? [15:01] nice.. gave everyone voice but me. [15:01] * godbyk pouts [15:02] dw the members will OP you in a sec [15:02] :P [15:02] classbot hates you! [15:02] will classbot listen to me if I have ops? [15:02] apparently. [15:02] the feeling's mutual. :-) [15:04] done [15:04] * ubuntujenkins is on the worst wifi conection it keeps dropping [15:22] I have questions about the ubuntu manual talk going on but cannot send to channel since it is moderated. [15:22] therefore I'll note there here [15:22] QUESTION: do the pdfs have fonts for all the worlds languages embedded? [15:23] kyleN: They will, yes. [15:23] QUESTION: will the install CD contain pdf for all translations, or just for English? [15:23] Also, have you tried sending your questions to the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel? [15:24] godbyk no I have not. thx [15:24] komsas: no problem. :-) [15:28] d0od: omgubuntu is down? [15:28] humphreybc: my domain provider is having server issues today [15:28] bummer [15:57] wutzara_: gidday [15:57] hi Ben [15:57] I'm a student for informatiks on a college in Germany in the second semester. I want to contribute to ubuntu. [15:57] but for me it is very hard to get my feet in the door [15:58] i had to learn many things before i can fully work with Gnome and the libraries [15:59] its also confusing where someone like me can help [16:00] godbyk can you explain to Koerich in -chat what packages he needs to install latex? [16:01] wutzara_: okay [16:01] so a developer manual sounds cool [16:01] humphreybc: sure. [16:01] what did you have in mind for topics to cover for it? [16:01] stuff like packaging? writing code in Ubuntu? Using bzr/ground control/launchpad? [16:02] yes but also basic things like using the glib and her object-system [16:03] stuff like actual projects and the key-person [16:03] a red line how a beginner can contribute to projects in ubuntu [16:04] in the way a developer can contribute [16:04] hmm. sounds cool. I'll think about it some more and talk to Jono. At the moment we're fairly busy getting the main manual out, but we could work on it for 10.10. I'm sure Jono would be keen to help with all his opportunistic developer stuff :) [16:05] okay these are only suggestions. thanks for your audience [16:05] yep no that's no problem! [16:05] it's a great idea! [16:11] i'm putting all the other slides on slideshare like Ilya's one at the moment [16:15] godbyk can you put your slides in the bzr branch and push? [16:15] i'll add them to slideshare.net [16:15] humphreybc: they should be there. [16:15] okay maybe i haven't pulled yet [16:15] I was just uploading PNGs of my slides. [16:16] ah [16:16] you don't have a .odt of them? [16:17] humphreybc: No, they were generated in LaTeX, so I've only got a PDF. [16:17] ah ha [16:17] you got a flickr account? [16:24] where has the chat window gone in lernid [16:24] it should still be there [16:24] perhaps you've resized it or something and it's disappeared? [16:24] oh wait [16:24] everyone has quit? [16:25] I can see every one using xchat [16:26] found the chat window :) [16:26] groovy [16:27] humphreybc: I just converted my PDF to PNGs and wrapped some HTML around 'em. (Old school!) http://kevin.godby.org/ubuntu-manual/talks/latex-slides/01.html [16:28] nice! [16:28] that looks good! [16:28] hopefully the graphics aren't too large. [16:28] should be okay [16:28] and it's nice to know I can still code super-simple html by hand still. :) [16:28] haha [16:29] i wouldn't put money on my ability to be able to do that [16:29] been ages since i did HTML [16:29] so how many people do you think have actually shown up? [16:36] humphreybc: I'm not sure. [16:36] get them to put their hands up between sessions o/ like a mexican wave :) [16:36] And I figure people will come and go, as well. [16:36] Attend the sessions they're interested in. [16:36] yea [16:37] what time is it in europe/USA during the second set of sessions? [16:38] I mean Europe and USA [16:38] :) [16:39] In central US (my time zone), the second set of sessions will start at 2200. [16:39] okay so we might get some more people who aren't at work :) [16:39] As for Europe, it'll be an hour or two ahead of UTC. [16:39] (Or the same as UTC) [16:40] Only if they're willing to stay up really late. [16:40] true [16:40] My talk will take place at 0300 in the US. [16:40] so the second set we'll get europe and asia [16:40] eek! [16:40] europe is and hour to 2 hours ahead [16:40] of utc [16:40] I'm going to have to go to sleep after my first session here. :-) [16:40] yea that's a good idea [16:40] my android phone should arrive by courier in a few hours [16:41] so i'll play with that between the two sessions [16:41] sweet [16:41] cool [16:41] my talk on ground control is going to be pretty easy, just point them to the video :P [16:46] is dutchie here now? [16:46] did dutchie get hit by a bus? [16:47] lol [16:47] he just joined lernid apparently [16:47] ah [16:50] I like it how Lernid uses the notifications to remind you of upcoming things [16:51] I do to its a good program [16:52] needs some fine tuning but it's not too bad [16:52] it'd be better if it used a non-monospace font and colour coded people's nicks [16:52] yeah.. grey on white is kinda hard to read. [16:52] good point I [16:53] and the monospaced font isn't the easiest to read either. [16:53] indeed [16:53] i might suggest that to jono [16:53] apparently there's a new dev tho [16:56] * humphreybc makes another coffee [17:01] * godbyk sips his ice water and glares at humphreybc and his caffeine. [17:02] didn't you go to the grocery store? [17:03] I did. But I weened myself off soda a couple months ago and don't want to get addicted again. [17:03] Never started drinking coffee and figure I don't need another vice. :-) [17:05] haha [17:07] * godbyk is reconsidering that now. :-) [17:10] android phone arriving soon! [17:10] hopefully! [17:13] well, you're not allowed to answer the door in the middle of your talk. [17:13] .. or mine! [17:13] you know it's early when you hear the rubbish being collected [17:13] yeah, they just picked it up here, too. [17:13] crazy [17:18] groovy, now i just let them watch the video! [17:18] humphreybc: Yes? [17:19] cjohnston|cell: hey, don't worry we've got it sorted now. We were a bit concerned that the bot wouldn't give us voice automatically because the schedule in Lernid was missing the first session, but it's all working fine anyway. I got an ubuntu member to OP me in the classroom anyway [17:19] * humphreybc is surprised that my dog, angus, is up so early [17:32] told you my session on ground control would be short :P [17:33] :-) [17:33] what'd you use to record the video? [17:33] who's next? [17:33] gtk-recordmydesktop [17:33] then i imported it into pitivi [17:33] did some basic editing at the start and the end and also the middle where it downloaded the branch [17:34] then i recorded my voice over the top of it using sound recorder [17:34] imported that file into pitivi and then synced them up [17:34] kevin is next [17:34] i have made videos before where i actually record sound while i'm recording the video, but i've found the quality isn't as good [17:34] so i just voice over afterwards :) [17:42] be back in just a sec [17:43] back [17:51] anyone using lucid and ground control? [17:52] * ubuntujenkins off to dinner be back in abit [18:00] godbyk: i just saw at the bottom of Lernid "Slides have been downloaded" [18:01] Oh, really? [18:01] What do you think that means? [18:01] I don't see slides yet [18:01] me neither [18:01] i'm going to reconnect and see if it's changed [18:01] k [18:01] let me know [18:02] nope [18:02] doesn't work [18:02] it says it's downloaded the slides [18:02] also, edit preferences does nothing [18:02] I noticed that earlier. [18:05] so we've had slides along [18:05] all along [18:31] TommyBrunn I have completed the resolution changing work in my branch of quickshot we should be able support all but ati proprietary drivers. We will need the disper package from http://willem.engen.nl/projects/disper/ to cope with nvidia in twinview not sure exactly how/when to install the package yet. [18:32] Is it in the repos? [18:32] If so, we'll just have to add a dependency once we package it. [18:33] no its not, ben did ask if we could try not to use it but its the only way to deal with all nvidia. We might have to contact the devolper about getting it in the quickshot ppa [18:34] Hmm, yeah. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. [18:34] I'm going to download your branch tomorrow, and see how to incorporate your changes into trunk. [18:34] I was concidering wget and dpkg -i for the moment. [18:34] That's what I was thinking too. [18:35] all I have done is added a bash script that runs on the click of the next button when in the quickshot user. The package must be installed by the original user as quickshot has no sudo privleges. [18:36] We could add the quickshot user to the sudo group when it's created. There's an option in useradd for that. [18:37] Whether or not it's sound from a security standpoint, I don't know. [18:38] I would think best not to add quickshot to sudo. currently the script logs you out 15 seconds after the resolution has changed as we have no button to comfirm the change has worked. There are comments in the bash file in quickshot/bin as to thoughts on the windows [18:38] Alright. I'll have a look at it in the morning. [18:39] Have you looked at the terminal in the quickshot user? mine shows as $ there is no quickshot@mypc$ . [18:39] Yeah. I saw that. I don't know why though. [18:40] cool thanks, I shall be around for 60% of tomorrow if you have any questions. [18:40] have a fun evening [18:40] You too [18:42] its only been tested on nvidia btw. I can see bug reports starting :) [18:42] Haha. I'll give it a go on my intel chip, and see what happens. [18:43] I will be interested it works in theory :) [18:55] off to german be back in a while [19:05] humphreybc, dutchie: I'm going to get some sleep now. [19:05] sounds like a plan! [19:05] dutchie: I'll catch your presentation the second time 'round. [19:05] good work godbyk, nice presentation :) [19:05] humphreybc: thanks. [19:06] godbyk: no worries [19:13] humphreybc dutchie any issues? [19:14] nope, we're going good :D [19:14] Awesome [19:14] Ping me if you need anything. [19:36] aaaand my HTC Magic Android phone just arrived [19:36] show-off [19:36] which is the magic? [19:36] the slippy open one? with [19:36] not sure [19:36] the actual keyboard? [19:36] it doesn't slide open [19:37] ah, that one [19:37] http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html :) [19:37]