[02:16] <Jordan_U> v1ttu posted a fork bomb in #ubuntu
[04:36] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: it happens
[05:17] <elky> v1ttu was posting fork bombs persistently the other day
[05:17] <Myrtti> I know
[05:18] <Myrtti> if you replace the number in the nick, it's a word used for female reproductive organ in Finnish. Strangely the ip isn't Finnish
[06:24]  * Myrtti watches ice hockey and curses aloud
[06:46] <Myrtti> any thoughts about irseekbot?
[06:48]  * persia dislikes irseekbot on general principles, but thinks it's harder to fight than ignore
[06:48] <Myrtti> persia: it's just that it's excess flooding itself every ten minutes
[06:49] <persia> Oh, knock it out then, with a message telling them to fix it before it comes back.
[06:50] <persia> The irseek people will try to work around some classes of interruptions, but if their bot has an issue, they'll probably fix it.
[07:35] <Myrtti> !staff
[07:36] <vish> folks , there has been a  <Speedy2>   posting links in the Ubuntu channels
[07:36] <Myrtti> and it's been reported to staff
[07:38] <Myrtti> vish: anything else we can help you with?
[07:38] <vish> \o/ seems kicked...
[07:38]  * vish wishes ops are more polite :(
[07:38] <vish> bye...
[07:38] <Myrtti> er, ok
[07:39] <Myrtti> I guess I'm an unsensetive clod then
[07:39] <vish> Myrtti: no offense to you :)
[07:39] <vish> i meant the -ops rules :)
[07:39]  * vish  leaves 
[07:45] <persia> I think the difference is that ops get to see the worst of everyone, so no longer have the patience (or interest) to kindly instruct each individual in how to play nice.
[07:45] <persia> Nothing against anyone here, but different to how others are often instructed to greet newcomers in social channels.
[07:46] <persia> (and I'm certainly similarly jaded :) )
[07:47] <jussi01> yes, I tend to agree, we could do with a little nicening up.
[07:47] <persia> Um, then we don't agree :)
[07:47] <persia> I think the attitude is both understandable and good.
[07:48] <persia> I think it's better that ops just implement the rules, and save discussion about the rules for appropriate fora.
[07:48] <elky> persia, there's a certain amount of... wanting to a) avoid people sitting here relaying our discussions to trolls/pammers without the logging delay and b) not wanting to have thirty eager op wannabes joining in every single discussion that happens here.
[07:48] <persia> elky: Indeed.
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <elky> the former is why we started the no-idle rule. the second is an added benefit that'd be nice to keep as it really does reduce the time we spend on an incident. There's nothing like having someone jump in with what they think is an amusing quip that only serves to spark the almost-placated troll up for another few hours of tedium
[07:50] <Myrtti> we're also different personalities. I know I couldn't cope with hecklers sidetalking when I'm discussing an issue with a person
[07:51] <jussi01> persia: what I meant was that we as ops tend to immediately see the worst in people and assume they are being malicious, when that isnt always the cse, and certainly goes against the catalysing attitudes we are trying to encourage.
[07:51] <elky> Myrtti, yeah, i have enough difficulty when two seperate people insist they both must be seen to *right now no delay hut hut hut*
[07:55] <jussi01> If we accept that we can just be rude, or "short" to people, why not lets go jump into #ubuntu and tell everyone to RTFM? Yes, we have to keep it manageable for us, BUT its extremely important that we look after our "customers", and we make ubuntu irc the best it can be.
[07:56] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're preaching to the choir here
[07:57] <persia> jussi01: I think there are two different roles.  the ops, who lay down the rules, and those active channel members who help provide social guidance and guidelines.  A single person *can* be both, but I think that person is filling two roles, which should not be an expectation of all ops.
[07:58] <elky> jussi01, you're referring to them as "customers". Please don't. They're not purchasing a right. They're utilising a voluntarily offered privilege.
[07:58] <elky> Being treated like customer service is what kills my desire to have anything to do with this channel.
[08:01] <Myrtti> I'm starting to feel more and more unfit for being an op
[08:01] <persia> Why?
[08:01] <jussi01> elky: are we here to serve us? to make our job easier? or are we here to make ubuntu channels great?
[08:01] <elky> Being looked at as an entitlement by someone isn't something I volunteered for.
[08:02] <elky> We're here to make things great, sure. but i'm not here to be treated like a customer servant.
[08:02] <elky> and that's how I end up feeling every single time.
[08:02] <persia> jussi01: As volunteers to participate as the implementation of the agreed rules with oversight from community governance.  This is not a commercial arrangement.
[08:02] <elky> like an unpaid servant.
[08:03] <elky> We're here to enable, not to be slaves.
[08:03] <elky> If the IRCC can't see this, then we're doomed.
[08:03] <persia> Indeed.
[08:04] <elky> likewise s/IRCC/CC/
[08:05] <jussi01> Im not saying we should be like slaves!!! Im saying we should treat others with respect, make sure we dont judge before getting to know the facts! is that such an issue?
[08:05] <topyli> elky, i've chosen to help people on irc, and to help keep irc nice. i've chosen that all by myself, i don't feel enslaved. i can go to the pub right now if i want to, and help some more when i feel like it. no?
[08:06] <Myrtti> topyli: you have the priviledge of living and ircing on a timezone that isn't so acutely depraved of op presence as elky is
[08:06] <elky> jussi01, by referring to them as customers, that's what you make them /expect/. you make them expect servitude, not enablement. It also makes me think of my supermarket checkout days, and work.
[08:06] <elky> what Myrtti said.
[08:06] <topyli> empty timezones should be fixed, yes
[08:07] <jussi01> Myrtti: elky that really isnt the point though?  you are still free to walk away if it is too much, or you want to do something else.
[08:07] <elky> jussi01, great, and i can be the one that abandoned an almost-unmanned timezone.
[08:07] <Myrtti> even I have bad concience of laying in bed with my N800 and happily ignoring issues I see on #ubuntu
[08:08] <elky> it's already bad enough that there was almost never anyone else around to handle stuff when I was on the IRCC, and hence i looked like i couldn't separate hats.
[08:08] <Myrtti> I redeem myself by saying "someone else is bound to see that, I've got a bad keyboard and I can't do anything to the issue"
[08:08] <Myrtti> I *STILL* feel bad
[08:08]  * elky nods to Myrtti
[08:09] <Myrtti> and then I think, hm, if I get involved now, how likely is it that I'll be forced to discuss this issue ad nauseatum in -ops with this person who's got their eyes and hands and sensibilities and common courtesy amputated from them
[08:11] <topyli> pretty likely
[08:11] <jussi01> It sounds to me like you desperately need a break. You cant let yourself feel bad and try and carry all the weight yourselves. Very soon our operator application process will be in order and we will attempt to fix the lack of operators.
[08:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: what I fear most is that the application process is cluttered with asshats
[08:12] <Myrtti> clogged and cluttered
[08:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: I have no problem with there being bad people applying. In fact, I expect it. and likely we will appoint a few bad eggs. However, this is how life happens, and we need to work through that and try get the process working.
[08:13] <Myrtti> yeah, we desperately need more idiots for channels like #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:14] <Myrtti> or, not more. they already are there. we need more idiots with ops rights.
[08:14] <elky> How do you plan on coaching the ops taht are going to be available for times you're not?
[08:16] <Myrtti> we could export Finns all over.
[08:16] <elky> how about you just give us all our aussies back?
[08:18] <Tm_T> elky: that wouldn't be fun (:
[08:18] <elky> :(
[08:18]  * mneptok is an exported Finn.
[08:19] <mneptok> so ... you want more mneptoks?
[08:19] <persia> More than two is probably excessive.
[08:19] <mneptok> i'll have to check with the wife on that. we had agreed that we didn't want children.
[08:20] <elky> well that'd technically only be 1.5 mneptoks...
[08:21] <Myrtti> mneptok: you could try budding as a method of reproduction
[08:21] <mneptok> elky: we'd have 2 kids, and amputate and graft arms to allow 100% mneptok keyboarding.
[08:21]  * persia is tempted to experiment with the "cut-in-half-and-see-if-it-regenerates" technique
[08:22] <mneptok> persia: put the katana down. deep breaths ...
[08:22] <elky> persia, at the rate mneptok drinks? i'm not sure even the liver would manage that.
[08:22] <mneptok> *blink*
[08:22] <mneptok> i'm pretty much a teetotaller.
[08:22] <elky> well damn, you had to ruin a perfectly good joke
[08:23] <persia> facts just get in the way :(
[08:23] <jussi01> mneptok: salmiakki?
[08:23] <elky> persia, yeah :(
[08:23] <mneptok> jussi01: you'll notice i imbibed only when pressed by the camaraderie "thing"
[08:23] <jussi01> right... :P
[08:24] <mneptok> which, oddly, i did with that very drink this very evening
[08:24] <elky> mneptok, ... wait. you're a teetotaller, and the finnish border guards let you in? aren't they concerned about you reducing the alcohol consumption/capita statistic?
[08:24] <jussi01> elky: teetotalle doesn
[08:24] <jussi01> elky: teetotalling doesnt include salmiakki vodka
[08:24] <mneptok> elky: my ancestry is Swedish-Finn. i claimed Lutheran guilt-tripping.
[08:24] <jussi01> :P
[08:24] <elky> jussi01, oh right.
[08:25]  * jussi01 hats that backspace is next to enter...
[08:25] <mneptok> that "e" is not only silent, but also invisible.
[08:26] <mneptok> powerful stuff.
[08:30] <persia> It's an imported Australian 'e'.
[08:30] <Myrtti> ohmy, aren't we offtopic and social...
[08:30] <Myrtti> *cough*
[08:31] <topyli> now we just need to get all of #ubuntu to join!
[08:33] <Tm_T> topyli: banforward helps
[08:35]  * elky banforwards Tm_T to ##politics
[08:38] <mneptok> elky: offtopicness is OK in small doses. outright sadism is not acceptable at all.
[08:39] <elky> well he wanted topyli to banforward all #ubuntu to here, so who is the sadist?
[08:39] <jussi01> I think maybe a sarcasm tag was missing there :P
[08:40] <Mamarok> ...
[08:40] <mneptok> it was on vacation with your silent e
[08:42] <topyli> e-sarcasm?
[08:45] <elky> so long as it's not iSarcasm, i don't care.
[08:46]  * jussi01 hands elky some iSnack 2.0...
[08:46] <jussi01> :P
[08:46] <Myrtti> jussi01: ...
[08:46] <elky> ha!
[08:46] <elky> Myrtti, vegemite blended with cheese spread. they actually tried to call it that.
[08:47] <jussi01> http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2009/09/30/762143/420isnack-420x0.jpg
[08:48] <elky> I almost crashed my car laughing when i heard it on the radio
[08:48] <elky> they didn't even check registered trademarks before printing the jars and sending stock out.
[08:49] <mneptok> Australia sounds like it has really, really good drugs, and really, really terrible food.
[08:52] <jussi01> mneptok: foods great in oz :D
[08:52] <elky> so long as you choose another country's cuisine.
[08:54] <Myrtti> reading #freenode makes me believe in human stupidity. It's like watching multiple car crashes.
[08:54] <jussi01> elky: yeah, wattle seeds and lizard meat... :P
[08:54]  * jussi01 doesnt idle in there as to keep his sanity
[08:56] <elky> Myrtti, the problem with #freenode isn't the troublemakers, it's the people who try to help and manage to do so in the worst way possible.
[08:58] <jussi01> elky: it is the trouble makers also, I dont like being highlighted every 5 mins by a stupid trolll
[08:58] <mneptok> most common typos can be avoided by severing your fingers.
[08:59] <elky> well yeah, the highlights are annoying, indeed, but they're not the trainwrecky parts
[09:01] <elky> though it's not a whole lot more trainwrecky than #ubuntu when our favourite cluebat targets are on fire, but it does tend to cascade more.
[09:04] <mneptok> if anyone wants a smile, a friend of mine worked on a really cute public service announcement - http://vimeo.com/9592988
[09:20] <Mamarok> mneptok: do you really think this is appropriate?
[09:20] <mneptok> Mamarok: excuse me?
[09:21] <Mamarok> mneptok: would you poste this on #ubuntu?
[09:22] <mneptok> Mamarok: no, as it would be offtopic. as would discussing a particular user's ban on that channel.
[09:22] <Mamarok> I consider this offensive and not appropriate at all, since when is blatant racism appropriate even in offtopic?
[09:23] <mneptok> uhhh ... racism?
[09:23] <mneptok> it's a Public Service Announcement put on American television WRT pet overpopulation.
[09:24] <mneptok> i don't know what you saw, but what i posted is not in the least bit racist
[09:27] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[09:32] <mneptok> Mamarok: did you read the caption?
[09:33] <mneptok> "An abundance of cats and dogs have joined the workforce and are slowly taking over the office. This PSA for the Colorado Pet Overpopulation Fund takes a satirical look at what happens with the pet population goes unchecked and becomes unmanageable."
[09:33] <Mamarok> yes I did, still, I didn't find it the least funny
[09:33] <Mamarok> nor satirical
[09:33] <mneptok> now ... let's Google "Colorado Pet Overpopulation Fund"
[09:33] <mneptok> http://www.savecoloradopets.org/
[09:34] <mneptok> this is on broadcast television in the US
[09:34] <Mamarok> well, if I were in the US I would tell them
[09:35] <mneptok> it's racist if you think people of a race different from you are "animals." do you think that?
[09:35] <mneptok> i don't.
[09:35] <elky> s/cats and dogs/mexicans/
[09:35] <elky> that's the problem.
[09:35] <mneptok> in your mind, yes.
[09:35] <mneptok> if you can do that to Mexicans, that's your problem.
[09:36] <elky> because as an australian, i'm scared of mexicans taking my american job.
[09:36] <elky> right.
[09:38] <mneptok> most professional office workers are not afraid of illegal immigrants taking their jobs.
[09:39] <Mamarok> mneptok: those in that flic apparently are racist idiots then
[09:39] <mneptok> Mamarok: you see racism because of what is in you, not because of what is in the film. think on that.
[09:40] <topyli> Mamarok, so is basil fawlty in fawlty towers
[09:41] <Mamarok> topyli: that was something completely different
[09:41] <elky> so if that ad is fine, i suppose this kfc ad is too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FftZt-Dw_hQ
[09:41] <topyli> oh
[09:41] <Mamarok> and at least he was funny, this flic isn't
[09:44] <Mamarok> mneptok: I think you are going a bit far there...
[11:49] <wirechief> can someone un-ban my nick in #ubuntu
[11:50] <wirechief> i am no longer on satelite and not disconnecting all the time.
[11:51] <jussi01> wirechief: 1 moment please
[11:53] <jussi01> wirechief: all done. :)
[11:53] <wirechief> k
[11:54] <wirechief> satelite can be a royal pita
[11:54] <jussi01> yeah, can imagine
[11:55] <wirechief> it worked fine for 1.7 years then suddenly started dropping irc and i couldnt even go to www.google.com thats when i knew i had to get off it.
[11:55] <wirechief> a forum moderator for netgear said it was because i was double natted
[11:56] <wirechief> the modem had a router and of course i was using one , i dont know why it started doing it but, im off it now
[11:56] <wirechief> so much for hughesnets 7000s modem
[11:56] <wirechief> thanks for releaseing me i am really watching this disconnect business
[12:00] <jussi01> wirechief: do you have something else you need from us?
[12:00] <wirechief> no thanks jussi01
[12:00] <wirechief> bye
[12:33] <indus> hi
[12:34] <indus> why does the factoid on firewall mention firestarter? as far as i remember, its unmaintained now and quite dangerous from what i had read,
[12:35] <ikonia> firestarter is unmaintained ?
[12:36] <ikonia> nothing on the website suggest it's unmainteined
[12:36] <ikonia> !firestarter
[12:36] <Tm_T> indus: what you mean unmaintained, latest version is released january 2005
[12:36] <Tm_T> ikonia: ^
[12:36] <ikonia> ?
[12:36] <Tm_T> ikonia: yes, seriously
[12:37] <Tm_T> http://sourceforge.net/projects/firestarter/files/
[12:38] <ikonia> does that mean it's  not maintained ?
[12:38] <ikonia> eg: we are still packaging it in the current ubuntu releases ?
[12:39] <Myrtti> !away > steveire
[12:39] <topyli> we do have firestarter in universe
[12:39] <indus> tm_T heh lol
[12:39] <indus> its just packaged to run
[12:39] <ikonia> not sure if it's a "risk"  ?
[12:39] <ikonia> no more/less than using iptables directly
[12:39] <indus> it is but i dont remember the thread now , need to googlees
[12:40] <ikonia> it does seem to be old
[12:40] <ikonia> indus: it is what ?
[12:40] <indus> 2005 , so its dangerous in my opinion
[12:40] <topyli> afaik iptables still works, which should mean firestarter works. unless iptables syntax has changed
[12:40] <ikonia> indus: why ?
[12:40] <ikonia> indus: qmail hasn't been updated since 2001 ? does that make it dangerous ?
[12:40] <indus> security ,bugs? what nots
[12:40] <ikonia> indus: which security bugs for firestarter ?
[12:40] <indus> instead of arguing with me , why dont you google it
[12:41] <ikonia> I'm not agruing
[12:41] <indus> i dont care a damn about your ubuntu channel factoids
[12:41] <indus> bye
[12:41] <ikonia> oh
[12:41] <ikonia> ok
[12:41] <ikonia> total lack of thought through process
[12:41] <ikonia> it's old so it's dead and a risk
[12:42] <persia> Well, it also hasn't had an upload in nearly a year, and has some open bugs.
[12:42] <persia> I thought one of the development teams had a pet firewall solution.
[12:43] <topyli> i think we're all supposed to use ufw
[12:43] <Myrtti> but firestarter is still in the repos. perhaps it should be dropped
[12:50] <persia> It's too much trouble to drop stuff in Ubuntu that's present in Debian.
[12:50] <persia> Better to just change the factoids to match current recommendations.
[12:50] <persia> ufw appears to have had an upload from the security team 5 days ago, which makes me suspect it's more actively watched.
[12:51] <ikonia> why should it be dropped ?
[12:51] <ikonia> I've never rated/recommended firestarter, but to change it for no reason seems odd
[12:52] <Myrtti> ikonia: if it's not being updated
[12:52] <Myrtti> !bitchx
[12:52] <ikonia> yes, because that is a dead project, surly we should try contacting the maintainers, or even looking at if these bugs are valid etc, qmail's not been updated for ages because it's not needed it (just an example)
[12:53] <topyli> bitchx does have known security problems iirc
[12:53] <Tm_T> yeah, just because there's no update doesnt mean it is not secure or so
[12:54] <persia> Right.
[12:54] <persia> But because it's not the current recommendation from the developers, I'm unsure we should be recommending it by default for users.
[12:55] <Myrtti> ... sorry, i'll just shut up about stuff i don't know about
[12:55] <persia> It may be lovely, but it is also likely underserved by the documentation team, etc.
[12:55] <ikonia> persia: who decides the recommendation
[12:56] <ikonia> eg: I've never liked/recommended it - but it's always been offered as an option
[12:56] <topyli> persia +1, maybe the factoid should reflect the fact that ufw is the sanctioned way of handling firewalls on ubuntu
[12:56] <ikonia> !firewall
[12:56] <persia> ikonia: I'm not sure.  I'm guessing the security team, but that's only a guess.
[12:56] <ikonia> topyli: it offers ufw/iptables and firestarter - I do'nt see the issue
[12:56] <ikonia> topyli: it's not jut saying "use firestarter" it's offeringg the options
[12:57]  * persia doesn't see any issues with that factoid either, and retracts all criticism.
[12:57] <topyli> that's fine by me personally, i've even used firestarter myself. of course that was in 2003 or so
[13:34] <Myrtti> I hope someone is watching -offtopic
[13:34] <Myrtti> I'm not
[13:37] <Myrtti> I've had it with stalkers and creepy people following me around
[13:53] <Pici> heh
[13:53] <jpds> When once is not enough.
[13:53] <Pici> and even then..
[14:00] <Myrtti> one out, one in
[14:43] <humphreybc> hey, who's around at the moment?
[14:45] <ikonia> hello
[14:45] <Myrtti> hi
[14:49] <humphreybc> we're about to start a fairly large event in #ubuntu-classroom, check out the latest post on the planet from popey. Anyway, long story short, it seems that the schedule in Lernid doesn't quite match up properly and we're not sure whether the new ClassBot will give the teachers a voice in the main channel so we can actually teach
[14:50] <humphreybc> if it doesn't work, could one of you guys lurk around to make us an OP or give us a voice?
[14:51] <ikonia> just checking I have access
[14:51] <ikonia> I should have as I don't wear an ubuntu cloak so it was added manually
[14:51] <humphreybc> okay groovy, nhandler has his schedule thing here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html
[14:51] <ikonia> ahhh no I've not
[14:52] <humphreybc> and i *think* that's what he's running the bot off... that schedule is correct so if that's the case we'll be okay
[14:52] <ikonia> Pici: topyli jussi01 can ou update that for me
[14:52] <ikonia> if I sort my access out I'll sit and watch and sort you out
[14:52] <humphreybc> cool
[14:52] <elky> humphreybc, any ubuntu member can dish ops out there.
[14:52] <ikonia> give me a minute to see if I can find someone to update it - I thought it had been done after the last confernce week
[14:53] <ikonia> elky: I thought that had been removed ?
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- Entry Nickname/Host          Flags
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- 1     *!*@freenode/staff/*   +votiA [modified ? ago]
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- 2     *!*@ubuntu/member/*    +votiA [modified ? ago]
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- 3     Nalioth                +votsriRfAF [modified ? ago]
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- 4     ClassBot               +votiA [modified 1 day, 19:27:18 ago]
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----
[14:53] <elky> -ChanServ- End of #ubuntu-classroom FLAGS listing.
[14:53] <ikonia> council ^^^ I thought that had been removed and named people where in
[14:54] <ikonia> (this was one of the reasons I thought I'd been added manually after one of the developer week sessions was stupid due to members messing around
[14:54] <elky> nalioth is afk, you'll need to get a staff to wrangle it
[14:55] <elky> actually, nalioth appears to be offline
[14:56] <ikonia> I'll speak to the sparkle that is christel after the council green light it
[14:56] <topyli> as for the current crisis, there is no crisis?
[14:56] <ikonia> correct
[14:57] <topyli> just the way i like it! :)
[14:57] <ikonia> oh wait
[14:57] <ikonia> he's not got a cloak
[14:57] <ikonia> someone wearing a cloak needs to help him out
[14:57]  * ikonia looks at topyli 
[14:57] <elky> did that op him up?
[14:58]  * elky isn't in the room
[14:58] <ikonia> doesn't look like it
[14:58] <topyli> no ops
[14:58] <elky> d'oh
[14:58] <ikonia> topyli: you're wearing a members cloak
[14:58] <ikonia> that should work
[14:58] <topyli> yeah, i'll op humphreybc
[14:58] <ikonia> that got him
[14:58] <humphreybc> okay well at 1500 UTC i *should* be done already
[14:58] <ikonia> he's op'd
[14:58] <ikonia> humphreybc: you look good now
[14:58] <humphreybc> sweet
[14:58] <topyli> slow topyli
[14:59] <humphreybc> with a bit of luck the bot will do it automatically for the rest of the day
[14:59] <elky> slow topyli is slow
[14:59]  * topyli stretches
[15:00] <ikonia> humphreybc: I'll see if I can get this sorted, I'll be around most of the day due to tedious work meetings so should be able to help out
[15:00] <humphreybc> someone make godbyk a OP too
[15:00] <humphreybc> to help with questions
[15:01]  * ikonia looks back to topyli 
[15:01] <humphreybc> nevermind
[15:01] <humphreybc> classbot pulls through!
[15:01] <ikonia> ha ha, good
[15:01] <humphreybc> I don't think it voiced godbyk though
[15:02] <humphreybc> could someone give him a voice as he's the only one here to help me with questions
[15:03] <ikonia> humphreybc: you can do it as your an op
[15:03] <ikonia> set /mode +v $user
[15:03] <ikonia> humphreybc: without "set" at the front
[15:03] <ikonia> just /mode +v $user
[15:03] <humphreybc> okay
[15:03] <humphreybc> and $godbyk?
[15:03] <humphreybc> or just godbyk?
[15:03] <Myrtti> just godbyk
[15:03] <ikonia> godbyk
[15:05] <humphreybc> cool
[15:22] <ikonia> not this guys again
[15:23] <ikonia> I'll remove the ban
[15:24] <ikonia> humphreybc: godbyk are you all sorted now in classroom ?or do you need anything else from the operator team ?
[15:24] <humphreybc> i think we're okay :)
[15:24] <godbyk> thanks, ikonia!
[15:25] <Pici> !ping
[15:25] <Myrtti> !test
[15:25] <Myrtti> yupppp
[15:26] <ikonia> humphreybc: godbyk no problem, if you can leave the channel when you're issues sorted (which it sounds like thay are) - you can always rejoin if you need anything else
[15:31] <MenZa> ubottu: tell FeasibilityStudy about feeding the troll
[15:32] <MenZa> ubottu: tell haven489 about feeding the troll
[15:32] <Myrtti> a report from a user that PERHATIAN and countD were onjoin msg spammers
[15:33] <Myrtti> report seemed valid, so kicked
[15:45] <MenZa> Whoa, whoa.
[15:45] <MenZa> Could anyone help me try to make sense of what happened in -ot just then?
[15:45] <MenZa> I was going to grab UberTaco and mc44 in here to see if they could try and help me with it, but UberTaco left, and mc44 is unrespnsive
[15:46] <MenZa> Thanks, Pici
[15:46] <MenZa> I was about to do that
[15:46] <ikonia> ughhhh you mute me !!!
[15:46] <ikonia> sparklehistory.....club-bot ?
[15:46] <ikonia> ha Pici forgot the bot can't talk
[15:47] <Pici> ooops
[15:48] <Pici> MenZa: You muted mc44 after ubertaco effectively said that he didn't approve of gays.
[15:48] <marienz> Myrtti: did he happen to mention what they were spamming? countD fits the profile for a kind of onjoin spammer we've seen before.
[15:48] <MenZa> Pici: Yeah, I went back and read that line -- I'm afraid the language barrier on my end (apparently) made me miss that initially
[15:48] <Myrtti> marienz: the turkish rubbish
[15:48] <MenZa> Pici: That, and skim-reading
[15:48] <Myrtti> marienz: Þã ÈÒíÇÑÊäÇ Ýí ÔÈßÉ ÇáãÍÇÏËå æ ÇÍÕá Úáì ÈæÊÇÊ +  åæÓÊ ÎÇÕ æãÌÇäí   /server IRC.ForChat.Net
[15:49] <marienz> (PERHATIAN doesn't fit the profile as much)
[15:49] <Myrtti> perhatian was "HALO $nickname PLEASE VISIT FREE DOWNLOAD FULL SOFTWARE, click here ==> WWW.TOKOZIFA.COM"
[15:49] <Pici> ikonia: you missed
[15:50] <MenZa> Pici: Just talking to mc44 in a /query now, or attempting to
[15:50] <ikonia> yup, sorted
[15:50] <marienz> ah, different bot. Thanks!
[15:52] <ikonia> this is getting stupid now in -offtopic
[15:52] <Myrtti> marienz: ♥
[15:52] <ikonia> it's meant to be an offtopic not idiot zone
[15:52] <Myrtti> have I recently mentioned how much I love freenode and the staff?
[15:52] <MenZa> I'm considering if a couple of hours lockdown would be good for it.
[15:53] <Pici> If only there was a mode for banforwarding idiots elsewhere.
[15:53] <MenZa> Myrtti: I'm not sure, but you should utter it, at least four times a day!
[15:53] <marienz> Myrtti: those turkish spammers tend to be in a dozen or so larger channels, so we appreciate a heads-up if you spot them
[15:53] <Myrtti> marienz: the thing is I can't ever duplicate it myself
[15:53] <Myrtti> I assume they have access list filters or something else similar
[15:54] <MenZa> Pici: I'll be following up with mc44 and UberTaco when I see them around next, worry not about that.
[15:54] <Pici> MenZa: Okay.
[15:54] <MenZa> I've sent mc44 an apology for the one-sidedness of my +q
[15:54] <marienz> Myrtti: me neither. At first they seemed to just ignore freenode/staff/* but lately they're pretty hard to trigger.
[15:55] <MenZa> Dear God, what's up with that place right now :\
[15:55] <Myrtti> full moon
[15:55] <Myrtti> or wrong meds
[15:55] <MenZa> Would it be reasonable to impose quiet time in dire situations such as this?
[15:56]  * MenZa twitches.
[15:56] <Myrtti> what, +m?
[15:56] <Myrtti> not for more than 10 minutes or the natives go restless
[15:56] <ikonia> why, just remove the issues
[15:57] <MenZa> Grabbing UberTaco now.
[16:00] <MenZa> Yeah, he knows he perhaps wasn't too sensible, apologised for that
[16:00] <MenZa> !coc > ubertaco
[16:00] <MenZa> !guidelines > ubertaco
[16:01] <MenZa> I've told him to lay low for a bit, and I'm going to talk to mc44 the first chance I get.
[16:02] <ikonia> if this guy hasn't signed the COC like he says - he's gone for timewasting/lies
[16:02] <Pici> ikonia: Why does that matter?
[16:03] <ikonia> because he's being a problem in the channel - and I am giving him the benifit of the doubt, but if he's lying about it - then he's gone as his intentions are not genuine
[16:04] <MenZa> Whether one has signed the CoC or not, one agrees to abide by it in channel.
[16:04]  * MenZa shrugs.
[16:04] <Pici> Aye.
[16:04] <MenZa> That's one of the first lines of the !guidelines
[16:04] <ikonia> I don't care if he's not signed it
[16:04] <ikonia> but I care that he's telling lies (maybe) while being a problem
[16:05] <Pici> I think thats taking it a bit too far.
[16:05] <ikonia> which he has signed it
[16:05] <MenZa> Whether he's lying or not doesn't matter if he's a problem :P (I haven't seen the backlog, so I won't judge on that)
[16:05] <ikonia> so it's not a problem, I've got confidence he's being honest about his lack of understanding
[16:05] <Pici> I've only been halfway paying attention too.
[16:05] <humphreybc> man am i missing out on some fun?
[16:06] <MenZa> humphreybc: Please don't interfere. If there's anything we can help you with, please let us know. If not, please note our no-idling policy.
[16:06] <humphreybc> ahh gotcha, sorry i'll bugger off :)
[16:06] <MenZa> :)
[16:07] <Myrtti> that was a bit blunt, MenZa
[16:07] <Myrtti> even I cringed
[16:07] <MenZa> Nnyeah.
[16:07]  * MenZa needs more coffee.
[16:08] <MenZa> Yeah, that was.
[16:08]  * MenZa follows up in /query with re-assurance that we're always available if help is required.
[16:09] <ikonia> -ot appears to have clamed down
[16:09] <MenZa> Yeah, phew
[16:10] <ikonia> calmed even
[16:12] <MenZa> I'm going to step away for a bit to calm down a bit
[16:56] <Pici> !ping
[17:58] <Trek> is Ubottu functioning properly today?
[17:58] <Myrtti> it's been on the slow side
[17:58] <Trek> thats what I thought, was wondering
[17:59] <tsimpson> !test
[17:59] <tsimpson> !ping
[17:59] <tsimpson> @ping
[18:00] <Trek> @ping
[18:00] <Trek> wont work
[18:00] <jpds> That's redundant, ubottu.
[18:00] <tsimpson> it won't, for you
[18:00] <Trek> true
[18:00] <tsimpson> INFO 2010-02-22T20:00:19 supybot Ignoring command from Trek!Trek@pdpc/supporter/active/trek.
[18:00] <Trek> the !ping works on offtopic, but lags like crap
[18:01] <tsimpson> it was just joining ~50 channels, it takes a while to sync
[18:44] <Pici> hrm.
[18:44] <Myrtti> hrm?
[18:45] <Pici> I think the guy I'm talking to in +1 is supposed to be banned.  /me checks
[18:48] <jpds> Oh, hell yes.
[18:49] <jpds> Just ask the popey.
[18:49] <popey> meh
[18:49] <popey> he's banned from a few places
[18:49] <popey> ikonia knows the history
[18:49] <Pici> Is he the same as xcdfgkjhgcv?
[18:49] <popey> yes
[18:49] <popey> and mensula
[18:49] <Pici> good enough for me.
[18:50] <Pici> popey, jpds: thank you
[18:51] <popey> np
[18:51] <jpds> Pici: Now, tell me how to sort a set in Python.
[18:51] <jpds> ;)
[18:53] <jpds> Oh, sorted()
[18:54] <Pici> You can't sort a set.
[18:54] <jpds> You can.
[18:54] <jpds> hi = set(); sorted(hi)
[18:56] <Pici> jpds: That turns it into a list, you'll have to turn it back into a set.
[18:56] <Pici> sorted(hi).__class__ is <type 'list'>
[18:59] <jpds> Wow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/381773/
[19:02] <Pici> jpds: Looks like reverse() reverses foo itself, and doesn't return anything.
[19:03] <Pici> "The sort() and reverse() methods modify the list in place for economy of space when sorting or reversing a large list. They don't return the sorted or reversed list to remind you of this side effect."
[19:16] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:16] <Pici> I don't think that we should be testing for that.
[19:16] <Myrtti> ok, cool.
[19:17]  * Myrtti hands the issue to people who know these things best
[19:17] <Pici> Myrtti: Actually, it reminded me of something I needed to do.
[19:19] <Myrtti> Ubuntu IRC channels remind me everyday of something I needed to do.
[19:21] <Myrtti> "hm, it appears we have a problem in Ubuntu. I've been postponing reading Tolstoy's War and Peace for years, perhaps now would be the moment to start."
[19:21] <Myrtti> s/Ubuntu/#ubuntu/
[19:46] <Tm_T> hi
[19:55] <topyli> Myrtti, "War begins. People realize that history is driven by contingencies and that men, from rifleman to general, only react to them and try not to look foolish. Russia is lucky at war, and the men return home."
[19:55] <topyli> there, war & peache, topyli digest
[19:56] <topyli> peaches!