[00:22] hi guys [00:23] i'm working on a silent ubuntu install with kickstart, but i can't seem to get the right package selection [00:23] i tried @base , @core etc at the %packages stanza but it still seems to install the 'ubuntu-standard' system [00:23] which includes stuff like openoffice which i dont' need on a server :) [00:30] beeman_nl, try this out: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard [00:30] centaur5: oke, will try. and does that need to go below %packages, instead of the others? :) [00:32] beeman_nl, it's an entirely different string. The one for packages is: d-i pkgsel/include string \ samba \ emacs21 \ etc... [00:33] centaur5: maybe i should note that i'm using a kickstart file, not a preseed file :) [00:34] beeman_nl, Oh sorry, I didn't notice that. kickstart didn't cut my needs so I learned about preseed. I don't know what to tell ya then. :) [00:34] centaur5: thanks anyway :) maybe i'll switch to preseed anyway if this gives me too much hassle :) [00:35] beeman_nl, I think that solution is probably inevitable in this case. :) [00:41] beeman_nl: try a whitespace after the @ [00:41] "@ desktop" [00:41] or whatever [00:45] jcastro: thanks, i'll try that :) [01:20] it seems like it's still installing the same packages, even when i use @ ubuntu-minimal [01:20] take too long to test this kinda stuff ;) [01:39] This is vm-builder? [01:47] twb: no it's just a custom pxe setup [01:48] atcually i now use an iso that fetches my kickstart file from the network and then installs the system according to that file :) [01:48] but obviously the same thing for my pxe setup :) [02:07] what's the best way to configure a pc-card ethernet adapter? Should I just add it to /etc/network/interfaces at eth0 and hope for the best? [02:09] hey, anyone here have installed ubuntu 9.10 on a VMWare ESX host using paravirtual NIC (vmxnet3) and paravirtual SCSI? the installer keeps choking on both, even though i have selected, "install a minimal virtual machine" [02:10] or should i install the OS completely and then install vmware-tools and then install those paravirtualized devices? [02:14] beeman_nl: ah, you're using kickstart instead of preseeding. [02:14] I was trying to work out what that "@" crap was [02:15] Personally I prefer di-netboot-assistant and a hand-written preseed file. [02:16] it seems...ubuntu cannot boot from paravirtualized SCSI? [02:16] Ganymede: it can with qemu [02:17] twb, but not VMWare ESX? [02:17] I'm not licensed to run ESX, sorry. [02:17] okay, thanks [02:17] Where does it fail? [02:18] Can you pastebin the output? [02:19] well...it'd be hard since it's a console that boots into ... busybox? [02:20] let me try typing it out [02:20] If you were using qemu, you could just put it in stdio mode and copy the text from your xterm :-) [02:21] gave up waiting for root device, /dev/disk-by-uuid/blah-blah does not exist, dropping to a shell [02:21] actually, let me try another VM with a newer version of vmware-tools, hold on [02:21] vmware-tools won't make a damn difference [02:21] It's just shitty kernel taint for hgfs and friends [02:23] "hgfs"? [02:24] It's the filesystem that VMware uses to export a directory tree on the hypervisor, to guests [02:24] As opposed to using e.g. NFS between the host and guests [02:25] When you're in the busybox rescue shell, cat /proc/partitions. Does it list anything? If so, what? [02:25] yep, newer vmware-tools still fails to boot [02:26] /proc/partitions is empty [02:26] looks like i'll have to settle with non-paravirtalized SCSI [02:26] at least for the root disk [02:27] Oh, sorry, you're talking about *para*virtualized SCSI [02:27] You mean that you're giving the guest OS direct access to a LUN? [02:31] i actually don't touch the "LUNs" or whatever [02:31] Ok, let me rephrase. [02:31] i just have a 6 TB "datastore" where i put the disk images and i attach them to a SCSI controller in the VM configuration [02:31] now that SCSI controller can either be a LSI Parallel SCSI or something...forgot what it's called [02:31] OK, so you have a disk image -- a file on the host's filesystem -- and you're presenting this to the VM as a virtual SCSI disk? [02:31] or a paravirtualized SCSI "pvscsi"? [02:31] twb: yeah, i'll try it with preseeding lateron :) [02:32] the disk image is on a RAID in the SAN, but i don't have to worry about that, i just have a 6 TB "datastore" where i put the disk images [02:32] beeman_nl: IMO preseeding is way less fugly than kickstart. [02:32] and that 6 TB datastore is somewhere on the SAN [02:32] beeman_nl: admittedly, I've never kickstarted Ubuntu, only RHEL [02:33] Ganymede: OK, then you aren't *para*virtualizing the SCSI disk -- it's fully virtualizaed [02:33] Ganymede: paravirtualizing it would be if you gave your guest OS direct access to (parts of) a real, physical SCSI controller, and the LUNs (disks) behind it. [02:34] Ganymede: i.e. you have a paravirtualized guest OS with fully virtual SCSI disk. [02:34] twb, i thought paravirtualizated SCSI controller simply doesn't emulate all the intracacies of a real SCSI controller, i do have the option of using a physical SCSI controller or iSCSI or something else from my FC HBA, but paravirtualiztion is a different option [02:35] i will try to use a paravirtual SCSI controller for the swap disk and i'll get back to you [02:35] Ganymede: OK, so when you emulate a full SCSI controller it works, but not if you set ESX to "pvscsi"? [02:39] twb, well, i've only been testing the boot disk so far, not an extra disk, maybe that will work with pvscsi [02:40] and while i'm here, i'm thinking about using noop elevator since my disk image is stored on god knows what...some monster RAID array over fibre channel? [02:40] Ganymede: I imagine that pvscsi is a proprietary VMware-specific thing, and it'll only work for the root disk if you recompile your ramdisk to include the drivers from vmware-tools. [02:40] does that sound advisable? [02:40] Ganymede: but that's just a guess -- checking /proc/partitions will help [02:41] twb, yeah, you're probably right about that, i'm not terribly familiar with how the boot process works [02:41] actually...yeah, i didn't think of that, you're absolutely right [02:41] It's OK: I *am* familiar with how boot works :-) [02:41] i thought that since i had installed vmware-tools, the pvscsi module is suddenly visible to the boot process [02:41] but i see why that would be incorrect [02:42] it's unlikely that a vmware-tools .deb is rolled correctly enough to rebuild the ramdisks [02:42] maybe in upcoming versions [02:42] Do a "update-initramfs -u -k all" to forcibly rebuild them [02:42] You can also try talking to#vmware about it [02:43] twb, but would that update-initramfs command know to include pvscsi in particular? [02:44] (i'm not even sure pvscsi is the module name, i'll have to check once i get this working) [02:44] Ganymede: the default behaviour for initramfs-tools is to include ALL kernel modules in the ramdisk [02:45] (Well, all disk, network, etc. modules.) [02:46] twb, thanks, i'll be sure to give that a try in the near future [02:48] Ganymede: let me know if you succeed [02:48] twb, that's automatically done on kernel upgrade, right? [02:48] Ganymede: in theory, yes. In your case, I'd do it manually just to be sure [02:49] update-initramfs is idempotent if you rerun it without changing anything, so it should be safe [02:50] so i just installed a bare minimum VM to test this out...got to vmware tool installation...it asks to build kernel modules...just realized i don't have gcc...can't install it because i don't have drivers for my paravirtualized NIC yet...back to the drawing board [02:50] ah, the hoops and hurdles i go through to get paravirtualization working...and will probably never notice the speedup [03:00] One more reason to go with LXC and/or kvm... [03:02] can filter pages with user login control? [03:02] using squid [03:04] JuanMarquez: I don't understand the question. [03:06] twb, ok i need filter webs pages certain users [03:06] sorry mi inglish is bad [03:06] jeje [03:07] sabé. [03:09] se? I forget how to conjugate it. [03:10] ok [03:12] I need to filter web pages, but using the method by user, using proxy [03:12] is possible? [03:12] Do users need to authenticate to use your proxy? [03:13] yes, in mode transparente I do not think can [03:14] If users authenticate to squid, then you can [03:14] ah ok [03:15] sample config place? [03:15] pleace [03:15] http://wiki.squid-cache.org/CategoryConfigExample [03:33] thnk [03:35] twb, looks like i got paravirtualized scsi (module IS called pvscsi) working on non-boot disk, and according to hdparm -Tt, the paravirtualized is like 4 times faster...but is hdparm a good benchmark? [03:36] with LSI scsi controller, i got 120 MB/sec read, with pvscsi, i got between 390 and 520 MB/sec [03:37] is there any way of saving an md raid partition if you get this when mounting mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md2, [03:38] wait...something is fishy...520 MB/sec on a 4 Gb fiber? host must be caching... =/ [03:41] zroysch: pastebin /proc/mdstat's contents [03:48] md2 : active raid5 sdd[1] sde[2] [03:48] 1953524992 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [_UU] [03:48] sorry wrong spot [03:59] twb: does that help [04:00] anyone done any old old old version upgrades using old-archives.ubuntu ? [04:00] mainly: does it work? [04:31] zroysch: that's saying your array is still OK, it's just that you can't lose ANOTHER disk. [04:31] twb: right [04:32] So mount shouldn't have a problem [04:32] so when i go to mount it gives me the wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md2, [04:32] That shouldn't happen. [04:32] file -s /dev/md2 [04:33] /dev/md2: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=3b309b65-9d8c-40d8-9373-f74190958845 (needs journal recovery) (large files) [04:33] hi, there any way to detect who in my NAT is gettong virus (we are blacklisted). I got clamd but is doesn't detect which PC is. [04:33] And what does dmesg say after a mount attempt? [04:34] twb: http://pastebin.ca/1805398 [04:34] Roxyhart0: a virus scanner? [04:35] i need in my nat because i cant control the clients [04:35] Roxyhart0, How do you know that someone in your NAT has a virus in the first place? [04:35] zroysch: e2fsck -p /dev/md2 [04:36] because the DNSs send to me a report about we are getting blacklisted because virus [04:36] reports [04:37] twb: http://pastebin.ca/1805403 [04:37] its stopped there. [04:37] my nat server is email server and webserver as well (linux) [04:38] OK, so somehow your journal got corrupted, and as a result it has been emptied out [04:38] Now it should mount again [04:39] Obviously you should also be replacing the dead node in your array at some point [04:39] twb: http://pastebin.ca/1805405 [04:40] Is this an ext4 filesystem? [04:40] was ext3 as far as i knew [04:40] Well, the disk thinks it was ext4 [04:40] beautiful [04:41] What mount command are you issuing? [04:41] oh wow [04:41] it mounts now [04:43] Now unmount it and e2fsck again [04:43] what [04:43] dont i want to backup the data asap [04:44] If you were concerned about making a backup, you shouldn't have tried to mount it [04:44] You should have immediately taking a bitwise copy with dd. [04:44] true [04:44] im pretty sure ive had fsck lose data before [04:45] fsck did just lose data [04:45] it deleted your broken journal [04:46] not sure what a journal is [04:46] i cant umount now [04:46] It's the thing that remembers what was going to happen when you kicked out the UPS [04:46] saying its busy [04:51] hi i find one solution but i dont know how to solve it. I need to stop any package with port 25 which is not really an email. somebody have any idea how to do that? [05:11] 95% of this channel is joins and quits I tell ya. [05:12] AdamDV: so drop those [05:13] I dont know how to in pidgin :/ [05:13] AdamDv are you administrator for this forum? [05:13] Then use Emacs [05:14] Roxyhart0: ? [05:14] yes? [05:14] Am I the administrator for what forum? [05:14] THis channel? [05:14] Oh god no. [05:14] this channel i mean [05:14] I wish, haha. [05:14] :) [05:24] umount: /mnt/raid5: device is busy. [05:24] lsof and fuser not showing me anything [05:24] Were you using chroot? [05:24] <[1]spike> Hi Everyone, Is anyone here knowledgable with setting a proxy server with ubuntu server? i tried http_proxy=192.168.1.2:6588 then export http_proxy but i still cant seem to get any internet [05:24] twb: usingsudo [05:25] [1]spike: what makes you think your http proxy is binding to 6588 instead of webcache (8080)? [05:26] <[1]spike> because a file server is bound to 8080 so the proxy is set to 6588 [05:26] [1]spike: does ss (or netstat) agree with you? [05:28] <[1]spike> umm huh? im real new to linux, i don't know what those are so ill google it and let you know in a sec :) [05:30] <[1]spike> ok so i take it i need to run netstat on the proxy server machine? [05:36] <[1]spike> ok it specifies listning TCP 6588 and TCP 1080 [05:36] <[1]spike> so ill try setting as 1080 and seeing what happens [05:36] <[1]spike> but im guesing the file server would still show up as listning [05:36] It says *squid* is listening on both those ports? [05:37] Oh, 1080 is SOCKS [05:37] <[1]spike> It has no process names [05:37] You want -p [05:37] <[1]spike> ok ill do that now thanks for all the help :) [05:37] In any case, you should now try to talk to the service using netcat [05:37] Roxyhart0: you could use something like snort on the NAT gateway to watch the traffic. it can actively check for bad stuff (from rulesets) in passing traffic [05:38] First try on the proxy server itself, then try on your test machine [05:38] is there a quick way to make a drive unbusy when it is too busy to unmount? or should i just reboot [05:38] Roxyhart0: but you may also find simply monitoring all port 25 traffic with tcpdump will get you somewhere. [05:39] <[1]spike> ok im going to google netcat then get back to you. Thanks alot [05:39] zroysch: that depends on why it's busy [05:39] twb lsof and fuser dont seem to tell me anything [05:41] zroysch: did you use chroot? [05:42] Roxyhart0: lastly, if you dump with tcpdump to a file, you can load the packets in wireshark (gui, win/linux/mac versions out there) on another PC than the NAT box. That might make it easier to see what is going on [05:42] <[1]spike> Hey i think i can bypass this step. everyother pc on the network works fine using proxy 192.168.1.2:6588 the Ubuntu Server can ping 192.168.1.2 but im attemting "Ping Http://www.google.co.nz/" which tells me [05:42] <[1]spike> "Unknowen Host" [05:42] [1]spike: ping uses ICMP, not HTTP. [05:43] drop the 'http://' and '/' from your ping and try again [05:43] <[1]spike> ok ill try now [05:43] twb: you can do http trace and pings :) though I don't think thats what [1]spike means. [05:43] Granted [05:44] <[1]spike> unsuccessful [05:45] twb: im not familiar with chroot [05:45] host www.google.co.nz [05:45] <[1]spike> i just want the ubuntu server going thru the proxy till i can install the necessary hardware using apt-get so it can become the server [05:45] Isn't host deprecated? ;-) [05:46] twb: not at all [05:46] Oh right, it just wants me to "upgrade" to bind9-host, with its bloaty deps [05:47] rebooting. maybe one day i'll be able to find out what is using mounts [05:48] <[1]spike> Could it be something to do with the fact i dont have a user name and password? The context is supposed to be http_proxy=http://username:password@host:port/ [05:48] <[1]spike> and im just using http_proxy=192.168.1.2:6588 [05:48] nothing t do with username and password [05:49] however, you will want your variable to be http_proxy=http://192.168.1.2:6588/ [05:49] <[1]spike> and then use export http_proxy? [05:49] <[1]spike> ill try now [05:49] but 'ping' does not use http proxies [05:50] so it won't help your problem. [05:50] You should also be testing with curl -v, not some crappy GUI browser. [05:50] if you want ping to work, you will need routing set up [05:50] <[1]spike> i just want apt-get to work [05:51] <[1]spike> so i can install my network card [05:51] <[1]spike> then the ubuntu server doesn't need a proxy because it will be the server [05:51] you want apt to work with a proxy? [05:51] cli? [05:51] <[1]spike> i use a 3g satalite dial up [05:52] <[1]spike> i cant install it without being online with apt-get? [05:52] <[1]spike> or is there another way? [05:53] <[1]spike> so how can i test if the proxy is working? [05:54] first up.. your proxy.. that same machine is the one you want to be able to apt-get, or is it a different machine? [05:54] <[1]spike> different. I have all windows machines. I want to have all linux instead. But my adsl is satalite dial up so i have a windows machine running squid so i can set up the ubuntu server [05:55] <[1]spike> then ill set up squid on there and change all pc's to ubuntu and debian [05:56] ok.. so you're installing a linux box, or updating an existing one (for apt?) [05:56] <[1]spike> all new, never ever used linux before [05:56] <[1]spike> installed last night [05:57] but they're already installed, yes? [05:57] <[1]spike> mistakingly i set a 128 digit pass phrase to. Didn't realise i had to type it every startup. Hope Ubuntu server doesn't need restarting as often as microsoft server [05:57] <[1]spike> yes already installed [05:58] pass phase for what, wireless? [06:03] is it just me, or should all that needs to be done here is set up apt to use the squid cache by setting an option in /etc/apt/apt.d/ ? [06:03] sorry <- work calls, got busy here [06:04] <[1]spike> sorry work to [06:04] btw: you did check to make sure that the windows box running squid has a hole in its firewall? [06:04] IIRC apt-get can't speak digest auth [06:05] oh crap it's http auth on the proxy? ewwww [06:05] <[1]spike> the passphrase for the i dont know. It wasn't an option it just said i had to have a passphrase. It suggested at least 20 letters and numbers [06:06] <[1]spike> as soon as the pc turns on i have to type in the passphrase then i have to login [06:06] <[1]spike> i turned windows firewalls off cause they all suck [06:06] <[1]spike> and as i said the other pc's browse the web fine [06:07] <[1]spike> but they have gui's were i can enter the proxy for socks http ftp ect ect in a "Normal for me" windows format. ie. Ip here port there [06:07] 16:50 You should also be testing with curl -v, not some crappy GUI browser. [06:08] <[1]spike> curl -v says not installed [06:08] 16:37 In any case, you should now try to talk to the service using netcat [06:08] 16:38 First try on the proxy server itself, then try on your test machine [06:09] Did you do that? [06:09] <[1]spike> need to use apt-get to install it. and apt get always says package not found [06:10] [1]spike: you need to install netcat? [06:10] <[1]spike> yup im trying [06:11] How did you do the initial install? [06:11] If it was from a CD, it should have those packages in its pool [06:11] <[1]spike> i cant run netcat on windows? cant find a windows download [06:12] <[1]spike> i installed by putting the iso on the usb drive [06:12] You could try gnuwin32.sf.net, but I don't know about Windows. [06:12] [1]spike: well, put that back into your sources.list [06:13] <[1]spike> ok now your talking french again ill just google it :) [06:13] Je ne parlez pas francais. [06:15] <[1]spike> lol [06:15] <[1]spike> this is making sence [06:15] <[1]spike> i just need to find the linux answer for windows cd .. [06:15] <[1]spike> because pwd says /user/home and i need to be in /ect/ [06:17] <[1]spike> lol jokes on me. [06:17] <[1]spike> its the same command [06:20] <[1]spike> ok ive found /etc/apt/sources.list but how do i open it? [06:25] <[1]spike> am i like way to newb to be trying to set up an ubuntu server? lol [06:27] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/devotion_to_duty.png [06:32] <[1]spike> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup [06:45] <[1]spike> ok sorted sorta [06:46] <[1]spike> i tried sudo apt-get install curl [06:46] <[1]spike> but it still said package not found [06:46] <[1]spike> However it is now attempting to get the packages from 192.168.1.2/ubuntu/ [06:46] <[1]spike> which is my network mirror of the ubuntu server iso [06:50] hi somebody have running wireshark on ubuntu? [06:51] Roxyhart08: it works the same as anywhere else [06:51] <[1]spike> ok more success sorta. i ran apt-get update now when i run sudo apt-get install curl, it cant find curl but says it found refrences to it so it has probably been removed from this ditribution [06:51] <[1]spike> package curl has no installation candidate [06:52] <[1]spike> so im figuring i need to download curl [06:52] <[1]spike> so i will google ubuntu server curl package download [06:52] <[1]spike> and put this in my 192.168.1.2/ubuntu/ directory [06:54] looking in /usr/share/consolefonts/, it seems the smallest console font is VGA8 or Uni18? [06:55] that should be Uni-VGA8 [06:55] <[1]spike> but do i need curl.dsc or curl.tar.gz or curl.diff.gz or all of the above? [06:55] ChmEarl: here, the smallest font is Terminus 12x6 [06:56] I tried that one, but my system ignore it and went back to kernel font [06:57] hi someone have intalled wireshark? [06:58] !anyone [06:58] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [06:58] by kernel font I mean that set by init script [06:58] ChmEarl: I know what you're talking about. [06:59] aptitude install console-setup kbd+M console-terminus+M && sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup [06:59] the first font setting is here /etc/console-tools/config, then later it get it from /etc/default/console-setup [07:00] twb, that mystical cmd will change all fonts to your setting? [07:01] ChmEarl: console-setup does it. It should be installed by default. [07:01] * Callum__ finds it stupid that Ubuntu Server doesn't include install-mbr >_> [07:02] ChmEarl: you need to use kbd instead of console-tools to select 12x6 [07:02] twb, you recommend me to run that cmd , all on one line? [07:02] ChmEarl: I don't really care what you do [07:02] :) [07:02] I have this new RAID array I want to use but since I can't install install-mbr ATM because the site the server is at doesn't have Internet yet, I'm stuck >_> [07:03] <[1]spike> ok so ive hit a dead stop. Does anyone know were the packages for apt-get are on the installation cd? so i can add new ones [07:03] * ChmEarl pastes cmd into editor to check formatting [07:03] [1]spike: you can't "just add new ones" [07:03] <[1]spike> dang it [07:04] <[1]spike> i can download new ones lol [07:04] Callum__: what do you expect install-mbr to do? [07:05] twb: it isn't obvious in its name? >_> install an MBR to a RAID array so I can install partitions on it... [07:06] twb, cmd ran fine and I changed to terminus 12x6 -- thanks [07:06] Uh, installing an mbr is just a cat or dd. [07:06] Unless you mean one of grub's retarded non-static MBRs, in which case you use install-grub or something [07:08] Not that md arrays can have partitions, at least traditionally [07:28] <[1]spike> so how do i install curl without apt-get? [07:30] [1]spike: you don't [07:31] <[1]spike> and i cant add packages to /main/pool/c/curl? [07:31] <[1]spike> \pool\main\c\curl i mean sorry [07:32] [1]spike: correct; you can't. [07:33] <[1]spike> that makes no sence lol [07:33] <[1]spike> i can download the necessary package but can't do anything with it :S [07:34] <[1]spike> even thought the online mirrors have the same file structure but more data in the files [07:34] www.search2.net [07:35] <[1]spike> i think i figured it [07:36] <[1]spike> you are correct but wrong [07:36] <[1]spike> i cant add packages but i can ad .deb files === alvin_ is now known as alvin [07:36] <[1]spike> which appear to be package files [07:36] <[1]spike> very confusing [07:36] Which will not be found by apt, because they are not listed in the signed Packages index. [07:38] <[1]spike> isnt that why i use # dpkg-scanpackages debs file | gzip > debs/Packages.gz [07:41] <[1]spike> or in my case # dkpg-scanpackages debs /dev/null [07:41] <[1]spike> or in my case # dkpg-scanpackages debs /dev/nul | gzip > debs/packages.gz [07:42] I thought you said your webserver was running Windows [07:42] folks, anyone around? [07:43] <[1]spike> it is but i can run that command on another linux box then copy directory with all contents to windows server then mirror them? [07:43] !anyone [07:43] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [07:43] <[1]spike> because wouldn't that now have all the information for apt-get [07:43] [1]spike: if you can copy the files to the ubuntu server, just do that, and use file:/// in sources.list [07:44] <[1]spike> or i could even (Appears more simple) put the .deb files on a usb stick insert it into the server and run those commands [07:44] <[1]spike> cool im getting somewere :) [07:44] <[1]spike> now to figure out how to mount my usb stick in linux :) [07:47] hi [07:47] I have openssh-server: Installed: 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1 Candidate: 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2, is there a way to install 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2 without using sudo apt-get update ? [07:48] kaushal: why don't you want to do "sudo apt-get update"? [07:48] since my server is in production [07:48] <[1]spike> twb can you please give me a hint on how to use my usb stick from CLI lol... google has 3 million+ results for "ubuntu server how to use usb stick" and they all seem to be about installing ubuntu from a usb stick [07:49] [1]spike: mkdir /mnt/bugger; mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/bugger [07:49] <[1]spike> thanks [07:50] twb: so the steps are sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install openssh-server ? [07:50] No. [07:50] that will update it to 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2 [07:50] kaushal: you should be doing "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade" [07:51] what does aptitude safe-upgrade do ? [07:52] kaushal: do you know how to check the manual? [07:52] <[1]spike> didnt do much till i added sudo infront of it just said permission denied now it says can't find /dev/sdb1/mnt/bugger in /etc/fsab or /etc/mtab [07:53] twb: Thanks [07:53] <[1]spike> im guessing [07:53] <[1]spike> i had to run the mkdir cmd from one of the listed directories? [07:54] Installed packages will not be removed as per man aptitude [07:54] <[1]spike> would i be correct? im in root btw [07:54] [1]spike: spaces are important [07:54] so does it mean I will have 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1 and 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2 ? [07:54] I mean both versions [07:54] kaushal: you cannot have multiple versions of the same package installed concurrently in Ubuntu [07:54] <[1]spike> ohh ic [07:54] <[1]spike> ta dude sorry [07:55] twb: Thanks for clearing the confusion [07:57] twb: a last question if i just need to upgrade only openssh-server and not the other packages ? [07:59] <[1]spike> man your so helpful. but i just need to clarify 1 thing then i think im good for tonight assume = ass outta u and me! [08:00] You're not making any friends with such gauche aphorisms. [08:00] <[1]spike> since i now have the dir i dont need to use the mkdir cmd next time and can just use sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/bugger [08:00] <[1]spike> sorry [08:00] kaushal: then indeed "aptitude install openssh-server" would be the least ugly way to do it. [08:00] kaushal: but I recommend you install all security patches. [08:01] twb: Thanks :) [08:01] <[1]spike> i was attempting to explain why i needed verification from a seemingly logical event. Im just googling gauche aphorisms [08:03] [1]spike: I think you already have enough of those. [08:05] <[1]spike> no i ment i didn't know what gauche aphorisms ment. And again im sorry if my crude word association insulted you [08:05] Don't worry about it [08:06] I /ignore people that are truly annoying. [08:06] anyone here able to give me some advice about install a desktop ubuntu with a little optimisation? [08:06] Cappy: that would be #ubuntu [08:17] twb, what is a normal initrd.img size for karmic 9.10 server with Lamp & VM Manager? mine is 7MB which seems too big [08:20] I'd say anywhere between 5 and 15MB [08:20] k, maybe its not worth it to tweak mkinitramfs [08:22] ChmEarl: it's a great way to make your machine unbootable in order to save a few MB of RAM [08:22] twb, my first try was a bust.. I used MODULES=dep in initramfs.conf [08:23] Yep [08:25] this box opens using 250 MB RAM, and with one VM its at 650MB [08:25] plenty of headroom [08:26] <[1]spike> ok how do i shutdown the server? (ie turn off) i tried sudo shutdown now and it takes me to a recovery screen [08:27] [1]spike: shutdown -h now [08:27] <[1]spike> thanks [08:27] <[1]spike> wait darn thats when i should have used man shutdown? [08:28] [1]spike: yes [08:32] <[1]spike> how long have you been using linux? [08:32] Since 2001 or so. [08:32] <[1]spike> still things to learn? [08:32] Sure. [08:34] For example, I cannot split an inch-thick pine board with my head [08:34] <[1]spike> i cant wait till more people in this country use linux. Then linux will be more obtainable and local support / it's should appear id hope [08:34] <[1]spike> lol [08:34] <[1]spike> i ment still things to learn about linux lol [08:35] [1]spike: what, New Zealand? [08:35] The last LCA was there, FFS [08:36] <[2]spike> wow. that was ubuntu server starting to serv. It works. thanks for all your help [08:45] hi there. i need more loopdevices than the default 8, how can i achive this? (using ubuntu-server 8.10) i have "loop max_loop=16" in /etc/modules, but there are still just 8 /dev/loop devices (i have rebooted). Thanks [08:46] derknecht: what are you using loop for, that 8 isn't enough? [08:58] twb: i use crypt container with losetup und cryptsetup on a local server. And i have 9 container files [08:58] derknecht: does your kernel have loop built as a module, or built into the kernel? [09:04] trying dh-make-perl ./Sys-Virt-xxx and it trys to write to my .cpan and fails [09:06] maybe chown root:admin ./.cpan then chmod755 ? [09:08] heck rfb libsys-virt-perl [09:08] request for build -- its beyond my grasp [09:09] [1]spike: what, New Zealand? - *waves from Wellington* [09:10] Callum__: I'm assuming he's in .nz because his IP is registered there [09:11] twb: yeah [09:12] ChmEarl: why are you running dh-make-perl as root? [09:14] twb: I ran as user, then it tried to grab a file from cpan. I might have run perl as root once and cpanned [09:14] can I change perms on .cpan [09:14] ? [09:14] ChmEarl: that should be easy enough to check: find ~ -user root [09:15] ~/.cpan should be owned by you, not root [09:15] Right [09:16] * ChmEarl fixing now [09:23] <[2]spike> your correct [09:23] <[2]spike> Hawke Bay [09:24] it needs libvirt 7.5 or higher, or well [09:24] hi i got tcpdump installed in my NAT linux server and i would like to check the ips inside of the NAT, somebody know ehich command i should use (currently i just can see the external ips) [09:28] Roxyhart08: use -i to specify the internal interface [09:29] twb: its a module, i have added a line in /etc/modules: loop max_loop=16 [09:29] derknecht: I think that'll only work if loop isn't already loaded by something else [09:29] i will test that now (need to restart, but i can't do this now, the services from that server are needed at the moment [09:30] derknecht: try putting an entry in /etc/modprobe.d/foo [09:30] echo options loop max_loop=16 >>/etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf [09:30] I haven't done it myself [09:30] Roxyhart08: also have you tried tshark and iftop? [09:31] Personally, I'd just install tcpdump, generate a trace.pcap, then read it with wireshark on a workstation. [09:31] twb: i'll try [09:31] Avoids the bloat of wireshark-common [09:32] (OTOH I tried to do that the other day, and couldn't work out how to make tcpdump generate a .pcap without access to man-db.) [09:33] twb: sometimes I prefer the output of tshark. [09:33] 194 people here and no one is talking? has someone broken freenode? [09:34] screen-x: tshark is a pita to read [09:35] I usually end up using the "detailed xml" format from it, then filtering out attributes with xmlstarlet [09:35] thanks screen-x i will try [09:36] twb: yeah I use when looking for detail as well. [09:39] hi [09:39] what is rmnologin service for ? [09:41] sacarde: to prevent users from logging in before e.g. they have a home directory [09:41] rmnologin just removes the "don't let them log in" stub file, which pam_nologin checks for [09:52] if I want to remote-login ? [09:53] I have to stop it? [09:58] sacarde: if your system is working, it'll be removed early during boot [10:00] and server-xorg-input-wacom ? [10:00] sacarde: what about it? [10:00] what is it for? [10:02] sacarde: apt-cache show will tell you taht. [10:02] I have problem ..... I want to remote login with xdmcp with ubuntu-server [10:03] That's not a problem, that's a goal. [10:13] hiya [10:13] I'm looking for speakers for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTraining - who wants to do ara a favour? [10:13] dholbach, one idea: web applications that use a lamp stack. A way to package them to install the lamp dependencies, and configure it directly [10:13] dholbach, i.e. drupal [10:14] dholbach: that's not a page [10:14] oops, yes [10:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training [10:16] Packaging apache and friends is something you'd teach to newbies? [10:16] dholbach, I really think that ara's idea is great : packaging web applications might be interesting [10:17] twb: not apache, but web applications - it's very easy to include something like "this is what we expect attendants of the session to know already" [10:18] dholbach, you might also give a shot at the mozilla team since I know they had quite a detailed process for packaging extensions... and they have a long list of extensions that needs packaging [10:18] Heh, PHP apps have the worst packaging of anything I've ever seen! :-) [10:18] At least stdio C utilities typically ship with a makefile, and if you're lucky even use autotools. [10:18] twb: and it's not something that I'd teach :) (and I wouldn't call people who want to help out "newbies") [10:18] huats: nice idea [10:18] Hahaha [10:18] People who WANT to help are the ones not jaded by too many years on the battlefield. [10:19] * dholbach adds a note to the job description of speakers: "be optimistic" [10:19] thanks huats [10:20] you're welcome dholbach [10:23] I would think that packaging a python project would be a saner introduction to packaging niceties, since they're usually relatively sensible upstream, and there's a well-defined python policy [10:23] Maybe there's a php policy, too... === rberger_ is now known as rberger [10:30] how suggest me to allow remote login xdm ? [10:31] X -broadcast [10:31] ? dont understand [10:31] I have: on port 177 xdm listening [10:31] New bug: #525674 in update-notifier (main) "apt-check hangs, preventing login via SSH" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525674 [10:31] Run that. It'll ask the local network for its XDMCP servers, and connect to the one that responds. [10:32] ok [10:33]