[00:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[00:01] <owen1> Sachse_Siechtum: works! awesome. i had to turn on the mixer of my mic's driver.
[00:02] <owen1> how do i do that from the terminal?
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have no idea
[00:02] <owen1> Sachse_Siechtum: thank you man
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just manage my columes with the volume thing symbol on the upper right
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> No bother...
[00:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just finished watching "the road" ...
[00:03] <owen1> Sachse_Siechtum: don't say anything. i want to watch it.
[00:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok. :-)
[00:03] <owen1> i just watched district9 and the serogate
[00:03] <owen1> loved both
[00:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> district nine was awesome :-)
[00:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> I wanna watch serogate. any good?
[00:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> surrogate
[00:04] <owen1> yes. i really liked it
[00:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[00:05] <owen1> i also liked AI
[00:05] <owen1> i like futuristic movies about the humen race
[00:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> me too...well except the ending
[00:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> it should have ended with the pixi statue
[00:05] <owen1> what's pixi?
[00:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> ir fairy
[00:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> or
[00:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> where he is underwater and finds this statue
[00:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> everything what camer after that didnt really fit...
[00:06] <owen1> i actually really liked those robots
[00:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah but the ending was with these aliens...
[00:07] <owen1> and was happy to see how the world looks like
[00:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dunno...
[00:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh and I have to say....the road is the best post apocalyptic movie I have seen yet
[00:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> alot like "Mad Max 2" and "a boy and his dog"
[00:08] <owen1> i listen to an interview with the director or screenwriter. sounds interesting.
[00:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[00:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> I find the one trailer I saw...is kinda misleading
[00:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> because you think there will be action all the time...but its not.
[00:11] <owen1> i never watch trailers. i prefer not to know the movie name if i can.
[00:11] <owen1> i don't want to know if i am suppose to cry/laugh/etc
[00:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah
[00:12] <owen1> that's why i was a bit surprise with district9
[00:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> trailers can be very misleading
[00:12] <owen1> surprised
[00:12] <owen1> when i see trailer i think to myself - just tell me how the movie ended
[00:12] <owen1> they tell u too much
[00:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah
[00:13] <owen1> my wife just picks movies and i sit and watch
[00:13] <owen1> i wish they didn't show the name at all
[00:14] <owen1> and i wish they keep the original name for foreign movies
[00:14] <owen1> so i will not be able to say it
[00:14] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[00:14] <Sachse_Siechtum> so have you watched "das boot"?
[00:14] <owen1> no
[00:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> ask your wife to get that movie :-)
[00:15] <owen1> i will, only if u'r not kidding
[00:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> it has english audio and german audio with subtitles
[00:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> and tell her to get the directors cut
[00:15] <owen1> r u german?
[00:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes Iam, and you? :-)
[00:16] <owen1> Israeli
[00:16] <owen1> do u know the site hospitality club?
[00:16] <owen1> i hosted 2 crazy germans when i lived in san  diego
[00:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah couch surfing
[00:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> why crazy?
[00:16] <owen1> they did some crazy stuff before leaving my place.
[00:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> example?
[00:17] <owen1> and told me to watch a movie that explain their behaviour
[00:17] <owen1> let me find it.
[00:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[00:18] <owen1> i can't remember, it's about young kids that ruin other people's house. they leave a mess
[00:18] <owen1> to make their point
[00:18] <owen1> about materialisem
[00:18] <owen1> and capitalisem
[00:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm dunno what movie that could be
[00:19] <owen1> http://www.amazon.com/Edukators-Knut-Berger/dp/6302020816
[00:20] <owen1> The Edukators
[00:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> you should watch this movie: http://www.amazon.com/Lives-Others-Martina-Gedeck/dp/B000OVLBGC/ref=pd_bxgy_d_text_c
[00:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> its an awesome movie.
[00:23] <owen1> Sachse_Siechtum: before i watch it, u got to understand that i didn't like the Edukators at all.
[00:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah I havent watched it...
[00:24] <owen1> should i still watch your last one.
[00:24] <owen1> ?
[00:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> what kinda movie do you like most?
[00:26] <owen1> documentaries or based on true stories - 'dust of war', 'the breach', stuff like vbs - http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-1-of-8
[00:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah :-)
[00:26] <owen1> Manda Bala - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0912590/
[00:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> well "the life of other" could be based on true stories..
[00:27] <owen1> "An examination of corruption and class warfare in Brazil as told through the stories of a wealthy businessman, a plastic surgeon who assists kidnapping victims and a politician whose income relies on a frog farm."
[00:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm interesting
[00:29] <owen1> so your list is - das boot, lives others
[00:29] <owen1> the lives of others
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I like alot movies...I got some all time favourites...like...
[00:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> "leon the professional"
[00:30] <owen1> adding to my list
[00:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> "Carlitos way"
[00:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> "lord of the rings 1-3"
[00:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> "the parfum"
[00:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> "insomnia"
[00:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> (with Al Pacino"
[00:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> )
[00:31] <owen1> ok. it's enough
[00:31] <owen1> (-:
[00:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[00:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm any ideas why xubuntu would not notice my audio cds?
[00:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> I can see it in the "driver manager" but it won't mount
[00:32] <owen1> did u try from the terminal
[00:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dunno why...it used to work...
[00:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dunno how...
[00:33] <owen1> ubuntu has a few logs u can look at
[00:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> where?
[00:34] <owen1> one of them is accesible via the command dmesg.
[00:34] <owen1> try it
[00:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> just dmesg?
[00:34] <owen1> yes
[00:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 5511.212049] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr1] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track
[00:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 5511.212056] end_request: I/O error, dev sr1, sector 0
[00:36] <owen1> io error. not sure what it means, but u can try post it on ubuntuforums
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053274] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053281] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053285] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 2
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053288] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 3
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053291] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 4
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053294] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 5
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053297] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 6
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> [ 2929.053300] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 7
[00:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> lots of that one
[00:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> data dvds or cds work flawless
[00:42] <owen1> interesting
[00:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm about to register in the ubuntu forums :-)
[00:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> just finding out if I have a launchpad name *g*
[00:43] <owen1> ?? only now? dude, it's the first thing u should do.
[00:43] <owen1> first search for your issue, and u can register to threads and get emails.
[00:43] <owen1> taking my dog out. will be back
[00:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> I know. :-) I'm a bad boy . :-(
[00:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> have fun :-)
[00:44] <owen1> will watch all your list and report back.
[00:44] <owen1> (of movies)
[00:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok *smile*
[01:45] <xubuPPC> hello need some help with xubuntu ppc
[01:48] <ryan___> What's the problem and I'll see if I can help ya =)
[01:51] <xubuPPC> using imac 35
[01:51] <xubuPPC> sorry   imac 350 xubuntu 9.04 live cd
[01:51] <xubuPPC> everything works great but colors are crazy
[01:52] <xubuPPC> i am surprised that the wireless work out of the box but my colors are funky
[01:52] <xubuPPC> :-$
[01:53] <xubuPPC> imac G3 350 512 megs ram
[01:54] <xubuPPC> the mac is running tiger but i am testing this before i decide if delete all and install just xubuntu
[01:55] <xubuPPC> can you help me ?
[01:57] <ryan___> Sorry, I'm afraid I can't =(
[01:58] <xubuPPC> ok  thanks anyway i will  keep looking  bye
[01:58] <ryan___> If your just saying colors are inverted, you could try pressing "option + x" (I believe that is the correct term for your keyboard)
[01:59] <ryan___> The equivalent of the windows key on a generic keyboard
[01:59] <ryan___> Sorry, "option + m"
[02:03] <xubuPPC> well i think inverted  is the easy way to explain.... everything look very funky (colors)  i think i need to config xorg  but dont know how
[02:05] <ryan___> The xorg file is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Unfortunately, I'm not the greatest with editing xorg =(
[02:06] <xubuPPC> ok
[02:06] <xubuPPC> brb
[02:10] <xubuPPC> so i type... "sudo /etc/x11/xorg.conf" ??/
[02:11] <ryan___> If you have the text editor gedit, you can use gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:11] <ryan___> If not, substitute your text editor for gedit
[02:12] <ryan___> note that linux is case sensitive, so it does have to have a capital "X" in X11
[02:15] <syn-ack> well, considering there is no xorg.conf file by default you don't need to be good anymore. :D
[02:16] <ryan___> Wha? Mine still has one o.O
[02:17] <syn-ack> I havent had one for quite a while.. you're running the non-free nv/ati drivers, arent ya?
[02:17] <ryan___> Maybe.... =D
[02:17] <syn-ack> ;)
[02:17] <ryan___> I can't play Guild Wars without them =(
[02:18] <ryan___> Well, not smoothly
[02:18] <syn-ack> Yeah, I run Intel so I don't need to hack anything its all supported out of the box
[02:18] <syn-ack> yay me
[02:18] <ryan___> That's my one problem with Linux, hardware manufacturers hate it =(
[02:19] <syn-ack> well...
[02:19] <syn-ack> Not ATi
[02:19] <syn-ack> Considering they've completely opened the spec on their cards to FOSS.
[02:19] <ryan___> Eh, they're getting better, still not great though
[02:19] <syn-ack> Give it time
[02:21] <syn-ack> 2304 frames in 5.0 seconds <-- Not bad for an Intel chip, imo
[02:22] <dahaic> ryan___: ed is the standard editor :[
[02:29] <ryan___> dahaic: Well, apparently syn-ack is telling me I'm a dumbass anyway =P
[02:33] <syn-ack> ryan___: I would never say that to someone.
[02:33] <syn-ack> Ok, well I'm lying but I didnt say it to you. :P
[02:33] <ryan___> =D I know you didn't actually say it, but you proved me wrong and made me look like a dumbass ;)
[02:34] <syn-ack> wasn't my intention. :P
[02:35] <ryan___> Rofl
[02:36] <ryan___> Someone on the forums is pissed at me =D
[02:36] <syn-ack> meh
[02:37] <syn-ack> I've got at least one person a week pissed at me on the forums
[02:37] <syn-ack> ryan___: They'll get over it. ;)
[02:37] <ryan___> He said stupid things to two or three people that I disputed, and I just saw where he posted in a new one "Ozymandias_117 may well have have an opinion if the above thought may be useful or useless."
[05:53] <anom01y> what is more supported for Linux, Nvidia geforce 6200 256 mb   or   an Ati Radeon X1650 PRO 512mb
[05:53] <anom01y> I need the tv out to work
[06:08] <_Techie_> Nvidia, if your comparing against the X series
[06:09] <_Techie_> !ati
[06:09] <_Techie_> just some light reading
[06:13] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu developers, engineers, coders and curious observers.
[06:14] <_Techie_> morning Balsaq
[06:15] <_Techie_> i managed to smooth talk my way into putting a 1TB drive into my PC
[06:15] <Balsaq> whoah thats a ton of storage
[06:15] <_Techie_> so now im combo'ing, 120gig + 190gig + 1TB
[06:16] <_Techie_> the TB is currently running through pATA (IDE) but when i get the cash ill run it via sata
[09:13] <Balsaq> I'm making a standalone "remote support" VNC applet. I can't test it on my LAN, because I have a different external IP address. How else can I test it, other than by being connected to two different networks at once?
[09:14] <Balsaq> _Techie_ do you know anything about this? its not for me...
[09:14] <_Techie_> test it using your internal IP
[09:15] <_Techie_> and as long as you have your external ip right an dforwarding set up correctly itl work
[09:19] <Balsaq> I can't test it on the LAN
[09:19] <Balsaq> I don't have two Windows PCs
[09:19] <Balsaq> I don't think VNC on Ubuntu can be set to "listen mode"
[09:20] <knome> Balsaq, well, with x11vnc, you are able to do that
[09:21] <knome> Balsaq, and you can start x11vnc from ssh
[09:22] <Balsaq> hmmm, let me ponder that for a moment thank you, please standby if possible...
[09:22] <__Techie__> my computer froze
[09:22] <__Techie__> anyway, back to what i was gonna say
[09:22] <__Techie__> VNC is not windows reliant
[09:23] <__Techie__> there are clients and servers for all platforms
[09:28] <Balsaq> welcome back _Techie_
[09:28] <_Techie_> grr my computer keeps locking up trying to format this damn drive
[09:28] <Balsaq> good morning gnome
[09:29] <_Techie_> just to let you know, my pc could lock up again
[09:29] <_Techie_> ill let you know if it doesnt this time
[09:29] <Balsaq> 10-4....
[09:32]  * knome goes to fill the dishwasher, bbl
[09:36] <Balsaq> ok gnome
[09:49] <knome> Balsaq, the nick is spelled with k, not g ;)
[09:50] <Balsaq> woops
[09:50] <knome> anyway, all the dishes fit in
[09:50] <knome> yay
[09:51] <Balsaq> di the fins beat the swedes tonight (hockey)?
[09:51] <Balsaq> did*
[09:51] <knome> nope, lost 3-30
[09:51] <knome> ehm
[09:51] <knome> 3-0
[09:51] <Balsaq> the swedes are tough
[09:52] <knome> yeah. but finns are the best seconds/lucky losers, so we get free pass to the semifinals
[09:52] <knome> or are those called quarterfinals
[09:52] <knome> well anyway
[09:52] <Balsaq> stopped at  a pub on the way home and was watching it for a bit
[09:52] <knome> heh
[09:53] <Balsaq> coders and hockey champions they are!
[10:02] <_Techie_> finaly got that drive formatted up and ready to go
[10:13] <knome> congrats
[10:13] <knome> i did the only obligatory schoolwork this week
[10:16] <_Techie_> ???
[10:16] <knome> ?
 i did the only obligatory schoolwork this week
[10:17] <knome> yup?
[10:17] <Sysi> #offtopic?
[10:17] <knome> Sysi, quiet?
[10:17] <_Techie_> i agree with knone
[10:17] <_Techie_> knome*
[10:17] <Sysi> (i'll join there :P)
[10:17] <knome> 12:32  Sysi: half an hour over midday here :)
[10:17] <knome> ^ offtopic
[10:17] <knome> :P
[10:18] <Sysi> harhar
[10:18] <knome> ;]
[10:18] <_Techie_> wihtout offtopic idle chatter this channel would seem absolutely dead and very un inviting to new members
[10:18] <Sysi> knome: i'm jealous for university students
[10:19] <knome> i wonder if i should take the vacuum cleanar out of the closet
[10:19] <Sysi> i'm on english lesson currently
[10:19] <knome> Sysi, university? i'm only in univ. of applied sciences :P
[10:20] <Sysi> that's university too :b
[10:20] <knome> okay, if you say so.
[10:20] <Sysi> close enough :)
[10:20] <knome> heh
[10:20] <knome> not really
[10:20] <knome> but okay ;)
[10:21] <Sysi> how long you've studied there?
[10:22] <knome> soon three years
[10:22] <knome> i'll graduate at the end of this year
[10:22] <Sysi> i have still one year of high school left
[10:23] <knome> not too much
[10:23] <_Techie_> Sysi, by high school you mean the 13 - 118 age bracket?
[10:23] <_Techie_> 18*
[10:23] <knome> i wonder if one can subscribe for international magazines (in paper!) in finland
[10:24] <Sysi> in finland 15-18 mostly
[10:24] <knome> without paying awfully lot
[10:24] <_Techie_> i honestly thought you were older than that sysi
[10:25] <_Techie_> knome, you probably could... but postage would be a killer
[10:25] <knome> probably, though sendind magazines from eg. UK wouldn't be THAT expensive..
[10:25] <_Techie_> dont be so sure
[10:26] <Sysi> argh this wifi
[10:26] <knome> i am quite, i've been ordering lots of stuff from all over the world :P
[10:26] <knome> it's probably just the magazines taking some extra fees
[10:26] <knome> not the actual shipping fees
[10:26] <Sysi> it's still cheaper to order than buy from local store
[10:26] <_Techie_> well, would you say a mag weighs more than a motherboard?
[10:27] <knome> _Techie_, depends on the mag :)
[10:27] <knome> _Techie_, what Sysi said is painfully true in finland
[10:27] <knome> things are just TOTALLY expensive
[10:28] <Sysi> i paid 16€ for one Linux Format
[10:28] <knome> chss
[10:29] <_Techie_> grrr, why cant there be a universal currency
[10:29] <Sysi> well, normal price for mag is max 6€
[10:31] <_Techie_> wow, that was scary
[10:32] <knome> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_e36lp99sMDc/SRYHn0oxQjI/AAAAAAAABGg/sw7fWEeri2w/s400/074.JPG
[10:32] <_Techie_> when the power connector for my gfx card isnt working, a blue light tirns on
[10:32] <_Techie_> it just came on
[10:32] <knome> ^ that's scary
[10:32] <Sysi> there was dvd-with that etc but still
[10:32] <Balsaq> everything is dirt cheap here
[10:38] <knome> congratulations on spoiling the nature
[10:38] <knome> ;P
[12:22] <gavin_> I can't find out how to change me xfwm4 theme.
[12:22] <gavin_> i can change my gtk theme, just not my xfwm4 theme.
[12:23] <knome> gavin_, applications -> settings -> window manager
[12:24] <gavin_> i found it.
[12:24] <gavin_> thanks. :)
[12:24] <knome> np
[12:25] <gavin_> Now it looks perfeccttt.
[14:28] <subspider> hi
[14:29] <subspider> can you guys tell me how to put and aditional monitor working
[14:29] <subspider> i have it pulged but how to pu it working
[14:29] <Sysi> !xrandr
[14:36] <subspider> thnks
[14:43] <subspider> but now they are copied
[14:43] <subspider> i need like extension
[14:44] <Sysi> use those --right-of/--left-of/--above/--below options.
[14:44] <Sysi> they are on that site
[15:24] <Cor> hi there - I just installed xubuntu on a rather old fashioned pc - after updating it, the taskbar disappeared , as well as all window-title-bars -.- "xfdesktop" and "xfce-panel &" did not work - as they "are already running"
[15:24] <charlie-tca> !panel
[15:24] <charlie-tca> See that wiki page, it tells you how to resolve that issue.
[15:26] <Cor> okay - thanks *testing*
[15:32] <Cor> the panels now seem to work properly - but the title bars still are missing
[15:32] <charlie-tca> that is an issue with xfwm4, I think
[15:33] <charlie-tca> but I don't have a fix for it... Anyone?
[15:33] <Cor> I read sth about window resolution stuff - maybe you know better what that could..... mean?
[15:34] <Cor> something among the lines of "the resoltion is lower than the minimum"
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Is this a virtual machine?
[15:36] <Cor> no, its a 900 MHz 1 GB RAM machine
[15:37] <Cor> I mean it's real ^^
[15:38] <charlie-tca> X may not have found the correct video driver; it is running in low resolution then.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Try running updates, and then restart. It may fix both the resolution and the window title issues
[15:39] <Cor> I just ran updates before the problems occured...
[15:39] <Cor> but I'll do
[15:40] <Cor> I thus even think that the updates caused the problems
[15:43] <Cor> no updates available
[15:45] <Cor> thanks for you help, I'll check back later ^^
[15:45] <Cor> gtg, bye
[15:48] <subspider> pulgin for sound i can play music
[15:48] <subspider> can you guys help me
[15:48] <subspider> Sysi,
[15:48] <subspider> plz
[15:48] <Sysi> what's problem actually?
[15:49] <subspider> no lib for play mp3 format
[15:51] <Sysi> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:52] <Sysi> hmm, where's the bot
[15:52] <Sysi> !xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:52] <subspider> lol
[15:52] <subspider> don't like us
[15:52] <subspider> heheheh
[15:53] <Sysi> ach, lag
[15:54] <subspider> ok Sysi thnks i got the idiea
[15:54] <subspider> it should work now
[15:55] <subspider> !mp3
[15:55] <subspider> there you go
[15:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello Subspider. :-)
[15:59] <subspider> hello Sachse_Siechtum
[15:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> How you doing?
[16:00] <subspider> fine and yo
[16:01] <subspider> steel with the amd mark on the corner of the screen
[16:01] <subspider> lol
[16:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> Fine, too. :-)
[16:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[16:01] <subspider> can't take it out
[16:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hmm.
[16:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> is it ....like a small porgram?
[16:02] <Sysi> do you have ati graphics card and restricted drivers?
[16:06] <subspider> yes Sysi
[16:06] <subspider> is that
[16:07] <subspider> i can't take the water mark out i whent to web sites
[16:07] <Sysi> i think it's related to that
[16:07] <subspider> but i don't know how to deactivate
[16:07] <subspider> yes i know it is
[16:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> subspider yesterday I registered in the ubuntu forums :-)
[16:15] <flm-> hi, how do i install xubuntu with no gui?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Use the alternate image, install minimal install or using expert mode
[16:16] <charlie-tca> or use the server edition of ubuntu
[16:17] <subspider> hello charlie-tca
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Hello, subspider
[16:17] <flm-> okay
[16:17] <flm-> can i change to terminal on the ordinary install disk?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> what do you mean?
[16:18] <subspider> hey charlie-tca do you know simple way to take out the amd logo from ati restirted drivers
[16:18] <charlie-tca> subspider: no, sorry
[16:18] <subspider> ok thnks
[16:18] <flm-> i don't have a writeable disk atm
[16:19] <flm-> but i do have the xubuntu install disk
[16:19] <charlie-tca> If you have the desktop image, you can switch to a tty from the desktop using Ctrl+Alt+F2
[16:19] <flm-> thanks!
[16:43] <jarbax> Hi. I'm running Xubuntu Karmic live USB at this point. I would like to access two partitions of my HD where accidently I removed all boot and root files. I would like only to access the two partitions where I have same data. How can I do that?
[16:44] <jarbax> oops, sorry, missed some words
[16:44] <jarbax> no, it's ok. can someone help me on that, please
[16:45] <knome> jarbax, have you checked out /media?
[16:45] <jarbax> knome, yes, it's unreconizeble. even with gparted
[16:45] <jarbax> unrecognizable, i mean
[16:46] <knome> what does 'fdisk -l' give in terminal?
[16:46] <jarbax> hold pls
[16:48] <jarbax> knome, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m574ac0af , pls
[16:48] <knome> jarbax, okay, then what does 'mount' say?
[16:50] <jarbax> knome, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d33ac3c59
[16:50] <jarbax> at the bottom
[16:50] <knome> jarbax, okay. type 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' and try to navigate to /mnt
[16:51] <jarbax> ok :)
[16:51] <knome> jarbax, that should be the root fs. /dev/sda2 for the other (apparently /home) fs
[16:51] <jarbax> thanks knome for your time
[16:51] <knome> np
[16:51] <knome> have fun with xubuntu
[16:52] <jarbax> knome, damn :( this live installation defaulted to portuguese... well it says i need to specify the filesystem
[16:53] <jarbax> filetype
[16:53] <knome> umm..
[16:53] <knome> a sec
[16:53] <jarbax> it only could be ext3 or 4 for the first partituion
[16:53] <jarbax> sory for the typos
[16:54] <jarbax> grr sorry also hehehe
[16:55] <knome> 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt' ?
[16:55] <jarbax> knome, if i can can all data from the second partition (sda2) i would be already happy. that's where i have most of data i need
[16:55] <knome> +sudo
[16:55] <jarbax> ok
[16:56] <jarbax> trying again
[16:56] <jarbax> sorry for pasting here...
[16:57] <jarbax> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[16:57] <jarbax>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[16:57] <jarbax>        Em alguns casos informações úteis são encontradas no syslog - tente
[16:57] <jarbax>        "dmesg | tail" ou algo do tipo
[16:57] <knome> then try ext4
[16:57] <jarbax> ok
[16:57] <jarbax> geez.. the same
[16:57] <jarbax> i doubt it if i did with ext2 but i'll try with that one too
[16:58] <knome> okay, so the supoerblock is probably broken
[16:58] <jarbax> same with ext2 :(
[16:58] <knome> try 'sudo fsck /dev/sda2'
[16:59] <jarbax> i ware installing a clean Xubuntu on another drive and then i staert deleting files :( mi mistake in remooving root ones
[16:59] <jarbax> mi = my
[16:59] <jarbax> ok
[16:59] <jarbax> 2
[16:59] <jarbax> oops
[17:00] <jarbax> knome, for sda2: fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[17:00] <jarbax> Superblock has an invalid journal (inode 8)
[17:01] <knome> did it stop running?
[17:01] <jarbax> knome, it's ok if you can't help, don't worry. i'm only trying...
[17:02] <jarbax> no, it says: Delete?
[17:02] <knome> jarbax, we'll get it fixed.
[17:02] <knome> umm, let me check
[17:02] <jarbax> it stops at that point: Superblock has an invalid journal (inode 8).
[17:02] <jarbax> Apagar<y>?
[17:03] <jarbax> means = Delete <y>?
[17:03] <knome> yeah, probably you should answer yes...
[17:03] <jarbax> ok
[17:03] <jarbax> knome, *** ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only ***
[17:03] <jarbax> Superblock has_journal flag is clear, but a journal inode is present.
[17:03] <jarbax> Apagar<y>?
[17:04] <jarbax> Delete? (Y)
[17:04] <knome> yes
[17:04] <jarbax> k
[17:04] <jarbax> /dev/sda2 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced.
[17:04] <jarbax> Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
[17:04] <jarbax> Journal inode is not in use, but contains data.  Apagar<y>? yes
[17:04] <jarbax> "Delete? Y
[17:04] <knome> yup
[17:05] <jarbax> ok
[17:05] <jarbax> hehehe
[17:05] <knome> now i know one more word in portuguese at least
[17:05] <knome> you learn something new every day
[17:06] <jarbax> hehhehe
[17:06] <jarbax> but if someone asks you in portuguese. do you want cofee? dont say Apagar
[17:06] <knome> hah
[17:07] <knome> wouldn't know if somebody asked me if i wanted coffee in portuguese
[17:07] <jarbax> for some reason is taking too long. can i restart all process?
[17:07] <knome> nope
[17:07] <knome> give it time
[17:07] <knome> it's checking your filesystem
[17:07] <jarbax> ahh ok
[17:08] <jarbax> if i save that partition it will be great
[17:08] <knome> i'm 99,99% sure you will
[17:10] <jarbax> knome, "Running additional passes to resolve blocks claimed by more than one inode...
[17:10] <jarbax> Pass 1B: Rescanning for multiply-claimed blocks
[17:10] <jarbax> Multiply-claimed block(s) em inode 16: 629766 629767 629768 629769 629770 629771 629772 629773 629774 629775"
[17:10] <jarbax> and keep going
[17:10] <knome> yep, give it time
[17:10] <knome> it's doing the linux magic
[17:11] <jarbax> knome, i'm sorry if i'm interrupting what you were doing
[17:11] <knome> nah, i'm here voluntarily
[17:11] <knome> besides i was only enjoying myself and listening to music
[17:11] <knome> and i can still do it
[17:12] <jarbax> well, i know sometimes ppl is working at same time. i used to help ppl on irc too
[17:12] <knome> sometimes i do that as well ;)
[17:13] <knome> but i think the responsibility is with the one who is answering. do not answer if you can't take some time off
[17:13] <jarbax> i'm glad irc is still strong. i'm on this since BBSs
[17:13] <jarbax> almost before "internet"
[17:13] <knome> heh, yeah
[17:13] <knome> i barely remember the bbs times
[17:14] <jarbax> we used to call 800 numbers in order to connet to others.
[17:14] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:14] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[17:14] <jarbax> connect...
[17:15]  * charlie-tca thinks they call that "the good old days"
[17:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[17:15] <knome> i thought it was called "the time before dinosaurs"
[17:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> *remembers good old lan party days*
[17:15] <jarbax> hehehe
[17:15] <knome> actually, the old lan parties were not that nice. the connections were lousy
[17:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> *quake I and house of chrichton*
[17:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> ours were good
[17:16] <knome> we used null cabling
[17:16] <knome> :P
[17:16] <Sysi> 'when lan was lan, not some wireless thingy'
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah those sucked
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm still using lan
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-(
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> wlan sucks pingwise
[17:16] <Sysi> lan ♥
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[17:16] <knome> i'm wired as well
[17:16] <knome> no idea in using wifi in a desktop machine
[17:16] <knome> can't move this anyway
[17:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe geek channel *g*
[17:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> you guys now the gpf webcomic?
[17:17] <jarbax> knome, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d3413daae at the end
[17:17] <knome> i'd be surprised if #xubuntu on freenode *WASN'T* a geek channel
[17:17] <jarbax> at the end
[17:18] <jarbax> wow w95 FAT32 that partition..
[17:18] <knome> i think yes for all
[17:18] <jarbax> ok
[17:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> know
[17:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> *
[17:18] <charlie-tca> rr72: bug 525434
[17:19] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/525434 is fix-committed; already been worked
[17:19] <knome> charlie-tca, we're in the progress of getting the slides in the next alpha.
[17:19] <rr72> saw email :-D
[17:19] <charlie-tca> great! we start testing tuesday
[17:19] <knome> charlie-tca, that's tomorrow? :P
[17:19] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:19] <knome> okay.
[17:19] <knome> i hope we will get the slides in the alpha
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 release is thursday
[17:20] <knome> did the merge request this morning
[17:20] <charlie-tca> should make it then
[17:20] <rr72> i also subscribed to xubuntu bug team and testers, but i can't help with karmic anymore cause not running it
[17:20] <knome> rr72, you can install karmic in vbox
[17:20] <charlie-tca> That's okay. If the bugs can't be reproduced in lucid, they are normally considered fixed
[17:21] <rr72> what about the newest one?
[17:22] <rr72> about the logging in
[17:23] <charlie-tca> You can install VBox from the ppa. https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/virtualbox
[17:23] <charlie-tca> What number?
[17:24] <jarbax> knome, *** journal has been re-created - filesystem is now ext3 again ***
[17:24] <jarbax> /dev/sda2: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****
[17:24] <jarbax> /dev/sda2: 70143/6144000 files (2.1% non-contiguous), 19191280/24557360 blocks
[17:24] <jarbax> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[17:24] <jarbax> spam... sorry
[17:24] <rr72> SPAMMER
[17:24] <rr72> :_P
[17:24] <knome> then try 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt' again
[17:24] <jarbax> i know /me slap myself with a very small trout
[17:25] <jarbax> ok knome :)
[17:26] <rr72> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/525476
[17:26] <jarbax> YESSSSSS you've got it knome !!! Thanks a lot. after backing up this partition i would do the same process with sda1
[17:26] <knome> jarbax, yep. np. have fun :)
[17:27] <knome> jarbax, you have to unmount the current partition before you remount the other to /mnt (sudo umount /mnt)
[17:27] <rr72> charlie-tca~ are you the only one active on bugs?
[17:27] <jarbax> hank you so much knome . I'm giving 5 ***** on your net rating
[17:27] <knome> jarbax, hehe. i already got billions of stars ;)
[17:27] <jarbax> lol
[17:27] <jarbax> i bert you do
[17:27] <jarbax> et
[17:27] <charlie-tca> pretty much, there are a couple of people will do some once in a while, though
[17:28] <jarbax> grr i bet you do i mean.. damn fingers
[17:28] <knome> jarbax, heh :)
[17:28] <knome> rr72, i'm always free to be used in testing something, but you specifically have to ask me..
[17:28] <charlie-tca> rr72: I am the bug team leader in Xubuntu
[17:28] <jarbax> rr72, now i'm going to do a private spamming on you. j/k :) :)
[17:29] <rr72> do you subscribe lionel to all the bugs? :-P
[17:29] <knome> charlie-tca, but not the bug expert <;P
[17:29] <charlie-tca> That goes to mr_pouit
[17:29] <rr72> charlie-tca~ thought cody was, or he just over all team leadter?
[17:29] <knome> rr72, cody was the project leader, but he resigned.
[17:29] <charlie-tca> He was the team leader, it is now mr_pouit
[17:29] <knome> charlie-tca, quicker than you again, as usual
[17:30] <knome> (gonna be a good evening for both of us then, i suppose)
[17:30] <rr72> since when? wow I am a little late on the news. he is owner in LP groups is why i asked
[17:30]  * charlie-tca thinks knome got answers on single key shortcuts
[17:30]  * rr72 agrees w/ charlie-tca 
[17:30] <knome> rr72, nov 30
[17:30] <charlie-tca> since about 3 months?
[17:30] <knome> rr72, umm no, nov 7
[17:31] <rr72> wtf?!
[17:31] <charlie-tca> shortcut again!
[17:31] <rr72> er
[17:31] <knome> http://cody.zapto.org/?p=71
[17:31] <rr72> forgot !coc ;)
[17:31] <rr72> not used to having to abide by it ;)
[17:31] <knome> f is a letter
[17:32] <charlie-tca> rr72: That's you?
[17:32] <rr72> what's me?
[17:32] <charlie-tca> on the bug, I mean
[17:32] <rr72> no no no
[17:32] <knome> wow, he must be light if he can stand on top of a bug..
[17:32] <rr72> i just joined xubuntu bug team, i didnt see you already replied and changed it
[17:32] <charlie-tca> bug 525476 ; the dmesg shows the kernel is tainted, but I don't know if that affects the login or not
[17:33] <charlie-tca> It may be the same as the nvidia - plymouth bug again
[17:33] <rr72> this is koala or lynx?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> k - Xubuntu 9.10
[17:33] <rr72> InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Release i386 (20091028.5)
[17:33] <charlie-tca> I try to use the numbers after the release. It becomes less confusing
[17:34] <rr72> kk
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but he upgrades, that will still be there.
[17:34] <rr72> oh I see what you are saying
[17:34] <charlie-tca> This is from the upgrade to Xfce 4.6, maybe, too
[17:34] <charlie-tca> We got a lot of these after that happened.
[17:35] <rr72> ok off to get something to eat, eating is good to do to sustain life ;)
[17:35] <charlie-tca> That's why I will give some suggestions, then will mark it confirmed if I can't figure it out.
[17:45] <knome> ...aaaand we're back to a dead channel again
[17:45] <knome> :P
[17:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> too bad *g*
[17:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> http://www.gpf-comics.com
[17:47] <knome> uh
[17:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> Yes? :-)
[17:48] <knome> nothing
[17:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[17:48] <charlie-tca> and dead is bad?
[17:48] <knome> not just my cup of tea
[17:48] <knome> charlie-tca, well, it's way more boring than alive
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I agree. got any ideas to bring it back to life/
[17:49] <charlie-tca> ?
[17:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> topless girls?
[17:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> free coffee?
[17:49] <knome> a nasty bug?
[17:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> LOL
[17:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> making xubuntu "Windows ME" bugged?
[17:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> *evil laugh*
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I can make the coffee
[17:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> I get the girls *g*
[17:50] <rr72> what's with *G*?
[17:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> (grin)
[17:51] <rr72> oh ok
[17:51] <charlie-tca> rr72 is back? how was lunch?
[17:52] <rr72> it was alright :-D
[17:52] <charlie-tca> If you want / need any help with bugs, ask in #xubuntu-devel
[17:52] <knome> charlie-tca, what about my problem?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> feel free to jump right in
[17:53] <charlie-tca> knome: which one? there are too many to remember
[17:53] <knome> charlie-tca, at boot time, the second partition has to be fsck'd and for some reason, the boot process goes on into the login
[17:53] <knome> charlie-tca, then i login, and the partition is not mounted still. and will not be, since fsck seems to be stuck.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> i'm reviewing old bugs now. all the way back to 8.04
[17:54] <knome> charlie-tca, running fsck manually goes nicely through with no weird errors even with -v
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I thought that was fixed
[17:54] <knome> well, by me yes
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I don't see it in lucid
[17:54] <rr72> charlie-tca~ talkijng in 3 channels right now, sorry lol
[17:54] <knome> right. was it a KNOWN bug?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I think so, but maybe it never got filed. I used to see it sometimes, too.
[17:55] <knome> charlie-tca, okay. you can't know how relieved i am - really!
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I know. It gets real frustrating sometimes
[17:57] <knome> it's not frustrating, it's scary when you think you've lost that one file you didn't backup and need right now and can't "reproduce" quickly enough if the HD is broken
[17:58] <charlie-tca> yup, that too
[17:59] <knome> now i can forget taking backups again without worrying, phew
[17:59] <knome> ;)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:08]  * charlie-tca would be very worried 
[18:09]  * charlie-tca can't remember why, though ;-)
[18:09] <knome> ;)
[18:09] <knome> hehe
[18:09] <knome> bbl
[18:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> Do you guys know the Ubuntu pocket guide?
[21:09] <subspider> guys what is the best bittorrent client for xfce
[21:09] <subspider> ??
[21:10] <vinnl> Depends on your preferences ;-)
[21:10] <rr72> hey vinnl!! :-D
[21:10] <vinnl> Xubuntu includes Transmission by default, which works fine for me
[21:10] <vinnl> Hey rr72 :)
[21:10] <rr72> transmission is nice
[21:11] <rr72> it works, that's a plus ;)
[21:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> Transmission
[21:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> I like it
[21:12] <flm-> i prefer deluge
[21:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> I had vuze for some time...but that was slow..
[21:12] <Pricey> subspider: I love rtorrent.
[21:12] <vinnl> Pricey, rtorrent is command-line, right?
[21:13] <Pricey> vinnl: mmhm :-)
[21:13] <subspider> ok thnks guys
[21:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> no bother
[21:13] <confusious> hello evrybody
[21:14] <vinnl> !hi | confusious
[21:17] <confusious> hey,can anybody tell me if there is a way to restore my desktop from a patricular date ? I've had some problems lately with all kinds of things.A disappearing desktop is one.I've rstored from this morn but,I have lost ALOT of files/folders over the last year because of them just disappearing at random
[21:17] <vinnl> confusious, if you have a backup system in place, yes, but otherwise I don't think so
[21:18] <vinnl> That said, a disappearing desktop shouldn't lead to your files disappearing
[21:19] <confusious> hmmmmm can you tell me where these files/folders go when they mysteriously disappear from xubuntus desktop ?
[21:19] <confusious> my xubuntu has been doing this for about a year now but when the whole desktop disappears THAT'S when I really start worrying
[21:20] <rr72> wjat do you mean desktop disappeears?
[21:20] <vinnl> confusious, everything should still be in the folder /home/<username>/Desktop
[21:20] <confusious> EVERYTHING...all my files/folders
[21:21] <confusious> okay ,thanks you vinn
[21:21] <rr72> open a terminal and "ls ~/Desktop" and see if they are in there
[21:22] <rr72> or thunar
[21:23] <confusious> okay rr i've done that...... & everything that's on top right now is ther but I've lost alot over the last year & it's just really getting to be bothersome
[21:24] <vinnl> confusious, so, what do you mean by desktop disappearing?
[21:25] <SandGorgon> is thunar able to do network browsing yet - is the GIO/GVFS support integrated in ?
[21:25] <confusious> all my files/folders that were there
[21:25] <vinnl> SandGorgon, will be in the next version, but that's not out yet officially
[21:25] <vinnl> confusious, but you can still see your wallpaper?
[21:26] <SandGorgon> vinnl, u mean lucid ?
[21:26] <vinnl> SandGorgon, no the next version of Thunar. There might be a PPA that includes it
[21:26] <SandGorgon> vinnl, ok...
[21:27] <confusious> no,no.....i've restored evrything that got lost about 30 mins ago BUT.....I'd like to be able to restore from say like 2 weeks ago when EVRYTHING got lost
 confusious, but you can still see your wallpaper?
[21:28] <confusious> i did a ff update & EVERYTHING got f'd up BIG TIME...........
[21:28] <vinnl> How did you do that update?
[21:29] <confusious> ff reset itself lost all my bookmarks & ev4rythingg & basically at same time my desktop {most of it} disappeared before my eyes
[21:29] <vinnl> Did your wallpaper disappear?\
[21:30] <confusious> what do you mean how ?..I was informed that there were some updates for ff automatically by my sys.....so I clicked ??
[21:30] <confusious> yes
[21:31] <confusious> wallpaper was renewed too
[21:31] <confusious> My comp has just taken a real beating over the last week
[21:32] <vinnl> OK an update the official way shouldn't cause problems... Sounds like xfdesktop was closed but restarted
[21:32] <vinnl> Still doesn't explain disappearing files
[21:32] <vinnl> Were the files that disappeared all located on yoru desktop?
[21:33] <confusious> yes all on desk
[21:36] <confusious> I have actually found all of tyhose but WHY did this happen ? why did this update make all my files/folders from desktop diasappear &  seem to freshly install xubunt ?
[21:36] <vinnl> Yeah I'm at a loss too, never heard of this before
[21:36] <vinnl> Perhaps they can help you in #xfce
[21:37] <confusious> that seems to be everybody I thinkit's because of such a shitty system
[21:37] <confusious> hmmmmm that's an idea huh ?
[21:37] <vinnl> What?
[21:37] <confusious> didn't think of that
[21:38] <confusious> #xfce
[21:38] <confusious> another quick  quest....... does #xubuntu-offtopic still exist ?
[21:39] <vinnl> Yep
[21:39] <flm-> /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:39] <confusious> I seem to be having some issues with pidgin now too
[21:47] <confusious> vinn you still there ?
[21:48] <vinnl> confusious, yep
[21:48] <confusious> I tried /join #xfce......
[21:49] <confusious> mess came back & said  "cannot send to channel " ??????
[21:49] <charlie-tca> confusious: what did you install besides Xubuntu?
[21:50] <vinnl> confusious, I can see you in #xfce
[21:51] <confusious> hmmmmm ? what exactly do you mean ? it seems to be sending th messager I type but its telling me cannot send to channel
[21:52] <vinnl> Hmm, that's odd :S I'm not well versed in IRC so I can't really tell what the problem is :S
[21:53] <charlie-tca> is the nick registered?
[21:53] <confusious> what did you mean "what did you install besides xubuntu"?
[21:53] <confusious> actually no this nick is not registered
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Did you install ubuntu, kubuntu, lxde, ??
[21:54] <confusious> just xubuntu on this system
[21:54] <charlie-tca> The nick has to be registered to have voice in xfce, I think.
[21:54] <confusious> hmmmmmm yeah thats a possibility I did read something about something like that somewhere
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Did you install compiz?
[21:56] <confusious> copiz ? not that I know of I could check I suppose
[21:57] <vinnl> You'd know :)
[21:57] <charlie-tca> I can't think of anything else would make the desktop unstable
[21:57] <rr72> is there an easier way to see if a package is installed then a -s remove?
[21:58] <confusious> synaptic says compiz not installed
[22:00] <vinnl> rr72, open up Synaptic ;-)
[22:01] <charlie-tca> apt-cache policy <PKGNAME>
[22:03] <confusious> hmmmmmm well I'm gonna go back to "work" he heh thanks alot everybody.I guess all those files/folders I've lost over the past year are just lost......1 bit of info........ when this happened last week & everything began disappearing b4 my eyes there was a file on the dektop I had called "funny pics" & it seems that everything else that was on the desktop got put into this folder !!
[22:04] <vinnl> Hmm, just wondering, but... Couldn't be a prank of a coworker or something? ;-)
[22:06] <rr72> vinnl~ was wondering same thing :-P
[22:06] <confusious> I was thinking could it be something someone has done  ? this os was instlled over a year ago by a geek "friend" my girlfreinds sisterzs boyfriend & we live with my gf's bro who is also a geek
[22:07] <confusious> could some the installer did cause this ? remember this was installe dover a year ago
[22:07] <rr72> ty charlie-tca , that is useful information
[22:08] <vinnl> confusious, no, he should've written special software for that I suppose
[22:08] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:10] <confusious> vinn-you still here pal ?
[22:10] <vinnl> Yes
[22:12] <confusious> okay a couple more things ... first what do you think of what I said above AND......when I did "xfdesktop&" in terminal this morn term came back with a reply of " [1] 5687........ what's that mean ?
[22:14] <vinnl> confusious, that's because of the &. That allows you to run the process without taking control of your terminal window
[22:14] <vinnl> The number is the process ID
[22:14] <confusious> ahhhh
[22:16] <confusious> well thanks for all the info I gonna go "back to work" before I runout of internet.they were suypposed to have shut us off already.pretty lucky there I guess
[22:17] <vinnl> :)
[22:27] <thune> what is a minimal set of xubuntu(xfce) packages I need to get a desktop with an xterm to launch apps? (i don't want any panels or extras or anything)
[22:29] <vinnl> !ubuntu-minimal
[22:29] <vinnl> !minimal
[22:33] <thune> i already have an ubuntu install, but I need a lighter weight environment to select for running certian apps
[22:33] <thune> i installed using Mimimal CD, so the question would be: instead of xubuntu-desktop, what is the minimal set of xubuntu packages I need to get a running xfce desktop
[22:34] <vinnl> A running Xfce desktop includes a panel
[22:34] <vinnl> But I suppose you need xfwm4 to do window management, then you could run xterm
[22:34] <rr72> thune~ there are other choices
[22:34] <rr72> unless you want xfce4
[22:34] <thune> i would use ratpoison, but I need compositing (vsync) for my application
[22:37] <rr72> i was going to suggest icewm, fluxbox, litewm or something along those lined
[22:37] <rr72> *lines
[22:37] <rr72> and it's not litewm, i thought there was
[22:38] <sinbox> you might want to check lxde as an alternative lightweightr thune or just go WM with fluxbox or something
[22:42] <thune> i need compositing (vsync -- no tearing/blitting) and I gathered that I have to use xfce or heavier
[22:43] <thune> it looks like xfdesktop4 package or xfwm4 package are approaching minimal
[22:51] <thune> thanks for the suggestions, i'll look at alternative wm's.
[23:19] <justgreg> hello i have an interesting question for yall
[23:20] <justgreg> i know i can dual boot xubuntu and windows and i know i can access files from windows on xubuntu
[23:21] <justgreg> however is it possible to access files from xubuntu on windows?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> If they are in placed in the common drive, I think so
[23:22] <justgreg> they aren't
[23:22] <justgreg> there are two hard drives
[23:23] <charlie-tca> Windows does not understand the formatting used by linux except fat and ntfs
[23:23] <justgreg> i see
[23:23] <charlie-tca> as I understand it.
[23:24] <charlie-tca> It really is the lesser of the two operating systems
[23:24] <justgreg> well i suppose i could solve my problem by installing the two on the same hard drive and using the second as storage
[23:24] <justgreg> i know thats why i made the switch to xubuntu
[23:24] <rr72> that would be an awesome idea
[23:24] <justgreg> but there are still a few things windows does that linux cant
[23:24] <charlie-tca> use wine
[23:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have a Xubuntu/WinXP system btw
[23:25] <rr72> or a third harddrice :-P
[23:25] <rr72> *harddrive :-P
[23:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> well wine is not perfect
[23:25] <justgreg> me too xubuntu/win xp
[23:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> I use WInXP for games and Xubuntu for everything else...
[23:26] <justgreg> i watch netflix movies on xp and i had to do my taxes on xp
[23:26] <justgreg> xubuntu for everything else
[23:27] <justgreg> so to access linux files on xp do i need to do anything special or what
[23:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> well as far as I know linux can't readd ext4 or 3 file format
[23:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> -d
[23:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have actually 3 partitions..
[23:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> 1 winxp 2 xubuntu 3 data
[23:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> the data partition is in ntfs
[23:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> so both OS can read them
[23:29] <justgreg> yea that works for me
[23:30] <justgreg> but i can't make my slave drive do that?
[23:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> slave drive?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> only if you formatted it ntfs
[23:30] <justgreg> my second hard drive
[23:30] <justgreg> so i could
[23:30] <charlie-tca> Windows can not read the linux formats
[23:30] <justgreg> formatting it ntfs is not a problem
[23:31] <justgreg> i just need both to access the same files
[23:31] <justgreg> my music and movies and shit
[23:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> well..make a ntfs partition (or drive) and copy all your data onto that
[23:31] <justgreg> sweet
[23:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> afk
[23:32] <justgreg> thank you for the help i just wanted to make sure the theory was possible
[23:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> no bother
[23:32] <justgreg> cause i already did it wrong once and had to start all over
[23:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[23:33] <justgreg> i made a partition that neither could access and was pissed
[23:34] <justgreg> if i have some trouble will you guys be on later so i can get some advice?
[23:35] <charlie-tca> someone will be here 24 hours a day
[23:35] <justgreg> ok thanks
[23:46] <syn-ack> charlie-tca.
[23:46] <syn-ack> How's it going, mate?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Great! yourself?
[23:47] <syn-ack> meh. Not bad. it's been a cold and rainy, abysmal day
[23:47] <charlie-tca> oh, I don't those days at all.
[23:48] <syn-ack> charlie-tca: Remember that bug I issued regarding plymouth killing gdm until I logged in and restarted gdm?
[23:48] <syn-ack> have you heard anything about a new version of said package?
[23:48] <charlie-tca> I think so
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Ummm, I think there is. I was able to actually boot direct today on the iso tests.
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Except the install from the live cd broke
[23:50] <charlie-tca> To be honest, my own gdm ain't working yet with plymouth
[23:50] <syn-ack> yeah, thats what I figured
[23:51] <syn-ack> I think I'll keep it off the system until they get the bugs fixed in it
[23:51] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:51] <syn-ack> Nice to see that my bug was confirmed and is now "critical" though
[23:51] <charlie-tca> that might be a while, yet. We just got nouveau for nvidia in
[23:52] <syn-ack> I'm sorry, "high"
[23:52] <charlie-tca> yeah, we keep trying
[23:52] <syn-ack> yeah, I'm not worried. A3 only drops tomorrow. :P
[23:54] <syn-ack> hrm
[23:55] <syn-ack> this is kinda funny, I think bug 522974 may be a dup to what I've got