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neversfeldeapachelogger: did you have the time to review kfritz?00:05
neversfeldeScottK: I know you are very busy these days, but if you have some time, it would be great, if you could give some feedback here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication. I think you reviewed some KDE packages that I did in the last few month.00:09
SputScottK / neversfelde: yes, we didn't break protocol, and I've implemented a mechanism to figure out which of the new optional features the core supports to disable them in the client00:39
neversfeldeSput: great00:39
Sputso e.g. you won't get any UI for configuring SASL if you're using an older core00:39
neversfeldewow00:39
Sputonly downside: the core will log warnings00:39
neversfeldeand not wow, because I need a newer core, to use new features :D00:40
Sput(because the client requests attributes from syncable objects that are not there)00:40
Sputmaybe I'll find a way to suppress those, not sure00:40
Sputneversfelde: could be worse :)00:41
neversfeldeSput: yes :), I will test it locally00:41
Sputneversfelde: I think it's actually just SASL that requires a newer core00:42
Sputand CTCP ignore, but that has been backported to 0.5.200:42
neversfeldeSput: so no need to backport 0.6 till it is final?00:42
Sputneversfelde: don't think it's very critical00:42
neversfelde k00:42
Sputanyway, good night :)00:46
neversfeldeb8 Sput00:50
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nixternalwith KOffice, I am including KFormula, as it kind of works, especially from within kword or such03:33
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nixternaloh, would there happen to be an archive tweaker around? ScottK?05:45
nixternalI am assuming Riddell is fast asleep05:45
nixternalRiddell: I pushed up koffice changes to bzr, apachelogger I used debcommit just for you, however, I have not dput it yet as 'create-resources' package is hosed in the archives. seems it was demoted from main to universe, in which a soyuz bug seems to have eaten it. so Riddell if you can fix that, let me know, then I will go ahead, test build it with pbuilder, run a test install and update here, make sure stuff works as it should, and th06:10
valoriemarkey from Amarok suggested I ask here07:07
valoriewhile working on setting up my git-build of Amarok, I ran into this error, and don't know what to do about it:07:07
valorieE: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-dbg_4%3a4.6.1-1ubuntu2~karmic1~ppa2_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qvfb', which is also in package qt-x11-free-dbg 307:07
valorieshould I ignore it?07:08
valorieor will it come back to bite me07:08
valoriesomeone suggests: try to 'force' qt-x11-free-dbg ppa version, or just remove it completely07:09
jussi01valorie: yeah, just force it imho. packaging error. but double check that with someone :)07:13
valoriedo you happen to know which ppa that might be in?07:13
valorieI have a couple installed -- kubunta-beta07:13
valoriefor starters07:13
valorieI guess google is my buddy07:14
jussi01valorie: or just hang out for a bit, its still early :D07:15
jussi01or late...07:15
valorieok07:15
valoriehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/kde4-backports/+bug/523779 has the same error I reported07:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 523779 in kde4-backports "libqt4-dbg causing kde 4.4 install to fail for amd64 packages" [Undecided,New]07:18
valoriehaha07:18
valoriesounds like I need to uninstall -dbg packages07:19
* apachelogger hugs nixternal for using debcommig07:42
* apachelogger pings neversfelde about kdebluetooth07:42
* apachelogger pokes kubotu for breakfast07:42
Riddellmm, breakfast07:43
apacheloggerkubotu: order breakfast07:43
* kubotu slides a cigarette, a cup of hot coffee and a bagel with cream cheese down the bar to apachelogger.07:43
apacheloggerhm07:43
Riddellthis is a non smoking chatroom07:43
apacheloggersomeone should tell kubotu ^^07:43
apacheloggerweeeh07:44
apacheloggerkdebluetooth depends bluetooth07:44
Riddellshouldn't it?07:44
apacheloggernope07:44
apacheloggerRiddell: see thread on ubuntu-devel07:44
apacheloggerpitti disagreed about suggesting bluez-gstreamer and indeed wanted to manually list the non-gst packages in the seed07:45
apacheloggerof course that doesnt help now because kdebluetooth still depends on the bogus metapackage07:45
apacheloggerneversfelde: I just uploaded a new revision of kdebluetooth, pleaes make sure to merge it into your upgrade07:49
apacheloggerRiddell: ^ once that is built the CD should be gst free07:50
apacheloggerunless I missed another dep on bluetooth :07:50
apacheloggerS07:50
Riddellneversfelde: I can give access to server if needed yes07:57
nixternalforget breakfast, I still need to go to bed sometime soon, way to busy of a day lined of up for...was going to say tomorrow, but today08:00
nixternalRiddell: you see the noise about create-resources being broken right now? that is the only thing hampering me from dput'ing koffice08:01
nixternalthere is only 1 list-missing in koffice \o/ and that is kivio, which is weird that there is a rogue desktop file just laying around for it :)08:01
nixternalseeing as kivio isn't in the 2.1 branch of koffice08:01
Riddellmorning nixternal08:03
nixternalgood morning to you as well good sir08:05
Riddellhum, where oh where has create-resources gone?08:05
Riddellmaybe a new upload would help08:06
persiaIt got et by Soyuz when being demoted.08:07
Riddellthat sounds like a beastie in soyuz08:07
Riddellpersia: all this talk of getting rid of MOTU seems strange to me, e.g kubuntu-dev only covers our packages in main (and not even all of those) so there's still plenty reason for kubuntu packagers to become MOTU to help with KDE packages in universe08:13
Riddellnixternal: create-resources uploaded, let's see what happens08:13
persiaRiddell: It was decided to get rid of MOTU at UDS Jaunty.  That we are able to have any MOTU is due in large part to ScottK's extended effort.  "main" and "universe" will be going away.  If you think there should be some set of packages that are maintained that aren't in your image, it's worth talking to the TB about creating a packageset for them.08:15
persiaBecause under the new definition of MOTU, that's not the purpose of MOTU.08:15
apacheloggerneversfelde: there you better hurry up with becoming MOTO :P08:48
apacheloggerpersia: what I am wondering... what is going to happen to packages that are not within the scope of any package set?09:16
persiaapachelogger: Those belong to MOTU, with the assumption that nobody has a particular interest in them, and they should be bugfixed, removed,aligned with Debian, etc. as appropriate.09:17
persiaIf some team has a particular interest, they shouldn't belong to MOTU.09:17
apacheloggerhm09:17
apacheloggerthat is flawed09:18
apacheloggerthere are kde packages in universe that can easily be maintained by kubuntu-dev-starters09:19
persiaapachelogger: How so?09:19
persiaThen make a list and ask the TB to grant kubuntu-dev-starters permission to upload them.09:19
apacheloggeryet I would not give those starters the same privledges to upload core KDE packages09:19
Riddellit sounds the same as currently, except with some expectation that MOTU should suddenly exclude people with a paticular interest (such as KDE)09:19
persiaThat's fine.  No need to do that.09:19
apacheloggerpersia: so, another set?09:19
persiaapachelogger: Precisely.  Yes.09:19
* apachelogger still finds that a drag09:19
Riddellsounds like we're creating more beurocracy instead of less09:20
apacheloggeralso seems like that to me09:20
persiaRiddell: Not that MOTU should exclude anyone, but that we ought carve up the archive into a bunch of overlapping sets of stuff that people are interested in.  Any given individual might also be interested in MOTU stuff.09:20
persiaThe idea is reducing the barrier to entry by not requiring someone to have broad general experience to get any upload access at all.09:20
Riddellit's going to increate the barrier of entry to someone who currently joins MOTU to help with KDE but is then able to expend as experience allows them without formal barriers09:23
persiaYes, it will.09:25
persiaBut at this point, we've already gone so far down that road that it's hard to know if we can back up.09:25
Riddellif we create a kubuntu-dev-starters team and include everything that say depends on qt in it, will that stop people in the general MOTU team from uploading those?09:26
persiaLike I said, MOTU almost went away in the past few weeks.09:26
persiaIn the short-term, no, but that's considered a bug in launchpad.09:26
RiddellI suppose we could make motu a member of kubuntu-dev-starters09:27
* apachelogger notes that a fancier name might be better ;)09:28
apacheloggerhumhum09:28
apacheloggericon-theme.cache - 124MiB Oo09:28
Riddellkubuntu-dev-mini-ninjas ?09:28
persiaPlease don't make MOTU a member of kubuntu-dev-starters.09:28
persiaThat breaks the model under which MOTU was permitted to remain a team.09:28
Riddellpersia: why not?09:28
apacheloggerRiddell: something like that ...09:28
persiaBecause I'm not convinced that MOTU will be permitted to continue if it doesn't have a "positive" role statemnt, which is currently a broad QA role for packages not in packagesets.09:29
persiaIf MOTU starts getting invited to teams, those who want to abolish MOTU and make everyone only core-dev or per-package-uploaders gain stronger arguments for their position.09:29
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persiaIf you want to get a bunch more members, instead send an email to ubuntu-devel@ requesting people join, and have a lightweight process for people who are already UbuntuDevelopers.09:32
Riddellpersia: what teams are currently defined with a packageset that isn't a seed?09:33
persiaNone.09:33
persiaBut LP supports them.09:33
apacheloggerRiddell: does KDE use the cache created by update-icon-cache?09:33
Riddellso infact MOTU is exactly the same except for xubuntu which I think is the only seed to have packages not in main?09:33
persiaand ubuntustudio09:33
persiaand mythbuntu09:33
Riddellapachelogger: no, it uses the cache created by kpc in .kde/cache-<computer>/kpc/kde-icon-cache.*09:34
apacheloggeroha09:34
apacheloggeroha!!!!!09:34
* apachelogger does some testing09:34
persiaBut there's a bug in soyuz right now that it can't handle defining exception cases, so MOTU has odd access right now, to some seeded stuff and some unseeded stuff, but not all unseeded stuff and not all seeded stuff.09:34
persia(although this is planned to be fixed)09:35
apacheloggerwe should just use obs :P09:35
Riddellpersia: who do I ask about how to create a package set for kubuntu-dev-mini-ninjas ?09:36
persiahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation09:37
apacheloggerRiddell: so,there is /usr/share/icons/oxygen/icon-theme.cache uncompressed151 MiB, with lzma -9 ~16 MiB (though I am not sure the CD is really compressed with lzma -9)09:41
apacheloggerthe file is only of use to gnome it seems, hence we could save 16 MiB of completely wasted disk space09:41
apacheloggerRiddell: so the question is, can we hook into the CD building process so that it removes said file before it creates the squashfs?09:42
Riddellapachelogger: I expect we could09:42
Riddelllet's ask slangasek09:42
RiddellLex79: I got qt 4.6.2 compiled10:37
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Archive frozen for alpha 3, test ISOs | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
apacheloggerhm, javascript is almost fun :D10:46
jussi01do we really still have the doctor on the brain?11:14
Riddellwe should do for the whole cycle at least11:14
jussi01:D11:15
apacheloggerRiddell: we need to revisit the l10n topic I think11:22
* apachelogger seems to remember that uds discussion was mentioning a situtation evaluation in january or something11:22
RiddellI'm told the upstream/kubuntu comparison tool is written11:22
Riddellwe need to poke dpm do find out what needs done to get some results out of it11:23
* apachelogger still has general process reservation though :P11:23
apacheloggerpkg-kde-tools still holds copies of upstream tools for pot extraction11:24
Riddellapachelogger, persia: e-mail for tech board http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/sNpyjgja11:36
Riddelldpm: ping11:37
dpmhey Riddell11:37
apacheloggerRiddell: looks good11:38
Riddelldpm: do you know what needs to happen to get the upstream/kubuntu l10n comparison tool running?11:38
persiaRiddell: packagesets are usually explictly defined.  You might want to do some checking first.11:39
persiaAlso, I know that a number of the ubuntustudio tools use Qt, so there's likely to be some overlap there.11:39
persia(not that overlap is bad: it isn't: it's good, but so that you're aware)11:40
dpmRiddell, yes, I could run it last week. "Simply" download the Launchpad code (the script reuses code from there) and change the hardcoded path to danilo's lp branch in the script11:40
Riddelldpm: sounds like hassle.  can you run it and put the results somewhere?11:42
Riddellpersia: checking of what?11:42
Mamarokin which files is this header: X11/extensions/shape.h11:42
Mamarokit is needed for tooltips apparently, any idea?11:43
Riddellhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=X11/extensions/shape.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any11:43
Riddellx11proto-xext-dev11:43
persiaRiddell: For which packages you actually want to have this team claim responsibility more precisely.11:43
dpmRiddell, yes, I was intending to do that. I wanted to do it for all languages, but as we are interested mostly in errors, they should apply to all languages, so I'll just run it for a language and produce some results. I can paste some quick results now just to show what the output looks like, but I won't have time for a proper report today11:44
Riddelldpm: that'll do nicely11:45
dpmok, give me a few minutes...11:45
MamarokRiddell: thanks11:47
MamarokI am just wondering, why is libmail-sendmail-perl a build dependency for Amarok?11:47
RiddellI don't think it is11:48
Mamarokwell, that's what is dragged in with apt-get build-deb amarok11:49
Mamarokvalorie: could you paste your output again?11:49
apacheloggerprobably a recommends of devscripts or something11:49
Mamarok80 percent of those files are not needed for Amarok IMHO11:49
valoriehttp://amarok.pastebin.ca/180666811:50
apacheloggerpo-debconf pulls in that perl package11:51
Riddell"Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired."11:51
apacheloggerRiddell: did you get the right url?11:51
apacheloggerMamarok: so what else is part of those 80 percent?11:51
Mamarokapachelogger: well, I am just surprised there are x11proto stuff that is not in the README11:52
apacheloggerMamarok: cmake did do recursive linking11:53
apacheloggerthough I have heared it doesnt do for KDE 4.4 anymore11:53
apacheloggerRiddell: we probably should revisit that topic too11:53
Mamarokhm, so this is a cmake problem?11:53
apacheloggerMamarok: not entirely11:54
apacheloggerIIRC also a lot of KDE stuff uses more important X libs directly11:54
apacheloggerso for convenience reasons some of this libs might be deps of kdelibs5-dev11:54
Mamarokand nobody else has seen that before since we all already have that stuff11:54
apacheloggerthough I think its more because of the recursive linking of cmake, because that made everything fail ;)11:55
Mamarokbut kdelibs5-dev *is* installed11:55
Mamarokshouldn't that have dragged in those?11:55
apacheloggerMamarok: maybe they come in via gtk11:55
apacheloggerwhich is dragged in by libgpod11:55
apacheloggeralong with cairo11:55
apacheloggerwhich could also be the cause of the X libs11:55
Mamarokbut libgpod is optional, Amarok should build without11:55
Mamarokso where is that dependency that brings in x11proto-text-dev11:56
MamarokI just try to update the README so nothing is missing11:56
Riddelllibgtk2.0-dev needs it11:57
Riddellit depends on libxext-dev11:57
apacheloggerMamarok: libgpod is not optional to build deb11:57
apacheloggerthe debian build process does not know optional build deps, either you build against something or you do not, and our amarok package builds against libgpod, so build deb will pull it in as well11:58
Mamarokapachelogger: the problem is, my blog instructions worked until now, this is the first time somebody follows those steps exactly and runs into that x11proto dependency11:59
Mamarokso where the h*** is there something missing in the README file?11:59
Mamarokand amarok should bild without libgpod, so why is that x11proto-texyt-dev file not in if all steps are followed12:00
neversfeldeapachelogger: I have to learn how to write an application with MS Word today :(, so I cannot have a look at kbluetooth before tonight, I'll merge it.12:00
Mamarokbuild*12:00
dpmRiddell, ok, just to give a sample of the output I run it on the Spanish Karmic language pack (the Karmic ones were the ones I had at hand, the tool should equally work with Lucid, which are in fact what we are interested in). So, full output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/382204/ Only error messages: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/382203/ Only critical error messages: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/382202/12:00
Mamarokneversfelde: write an application with MS Word? you mean a macro?12:00
dpmRiddell, I'll try to produce something useful for Lucid tomorrow12:01
neversfeldeMamarok: no, I learn how to open and save documents12:01
apacheloggerMamarok: you can create full featured applications with VBA12:01
apacheloggerneversfelde: for that you could just create a macro, and look at its code indeed12:01
apacheloggerIIRC a macro is just regular VBA code with loads of junk12:01
apacheloggerlike when you let visual studio create something ;)12:01
apacheloggerscope in javascript is a beast12:02
Mamarokapachelogger: could you answer my question above?12:02
apacheloggerMamarok: apt is no reference point for upstream12:03
Riddellsrc/tooltips/KToolTip.cpp needs X11/extensions/shape.h12:03
Mamarokapachelogger: I know, but what is missing in kde-devel and build-essential that is a new dependency12:03
Riddellso amarok will need x11proto-xext-dev whether built with gtk or no12:04
Mamarokapparently our README is missing stuff12:04
Mamarokand that x11proto doesn't have the smae name in all distros...12:04
Mamaroksame*12:04
apacheloggerx11proto is not the name anyway12:05
apacheloggerit just marks that this package is a x11 prototype lib12:05
Mamarokyes, it is xorg-x11-protosomething12:05
apacheloggerthe something is the important part12:05
Mamarokso which is the exact name?12:05
valoriethat list looked like all of 'em12:05
apacheloggerMamarok: xext12:05
apacheloggerMamarok: or you could look what upstream calls it12:05
Mamarokvalorie: I know, I just need to update our README12:06
Mamarokapachelogger: and where do I find that?12:06
Riddellhttp://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/ ?12:07
Riddellxextproto-7.1.1.tar.gz12:07
MamarokRiddell: great! Thank you very much :)12:08
apacheloggerRiddell: I think the plasma update script is finished now, it iterates over all widgets on the first panel, looking for the stuff to move, then it gets the max value of applets in systray, invoking a moving, this first ensures that the applet is not already in the tray, then adds the widget, traverses all config settings and finally removes the widget from the panel12:09
apacheloggerthat should take care of everything (hopefully) :/12:09
apacheloggerI'd still prefer to not have the scritp12:09
apachelogger*script12:09
Riddellapachelogger: where is this?12:14
apacheloggerRiddell: preparing push12:14
* apachelogger messed up his branch somehow *shurg*12:14
Riddellaseigo commented this morning..12:15
Riddell10:22 < aseigo> panelIds[0] <-- will fail for people who have multiple panels12:15
Riddell10:23 -!- adrianS [~adrian@nat/suse/x-tzlznwecvvqojhyi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]12:15
Riddell10:23 < aseigo> hm.. and why is it grabbing the system tray twice?12:15
Riddell10:24 < aseigo> instead of setting systemTrayFound i'd just pass that widget into a js function that does the config changes12:15
Riddell10:24 < aseigo> as it is right now those two loops are dupliated code; not a big deal peformance-wise, but just waiting for bugs12:15
apacheloggerRiddell: that is what I do ;)12:15
apacheloggerRiddell: pushed r35512:18
apacheloggerRiddell: why will panelIds[0] fail for multiple panels?12:19
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Riddellapachelogger: I think he means that it'll only work on the first and not on the second or third panel12:21
apacheloggeroh, of no concern to us then ^^12:21
Sputbecause you know that the user only needs and wants one? :12:23
Sput:)12:23
Tm_TI have only, err, 2 panels now12:24
Riddellif you have two panels you probably don't want us fiddling with them12:25
Tm_Ttrue that12:26
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, I would almost be tempted to wrap everything outside a function into a main() and call that12:30
apacheloggerotherwise scope issues can easily occur since everything outside a function is global to the this object12:31
apacheloggerwhich is a PITA for counting variables (thus the ranaming of some of them in case you wonder)12:31
apacheloggers/ranaming/renaming12:32
* JontheEchidna grumbles that nobody's moderated his mail to devel-permissions he sent a week ago12:35
apacheloggerthe what mail?12:38
JontheEchidnamy core-dev app12:38
apacheloggerah12:39
* apachelogger loves to crash amarok :D12:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I thought you already sent that?12:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I suppose poking someone on IRC should help though12:39
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yes, to devel-permissions, but nobody moderated it12:39
JontheEchidnanixternal: would you know who to poke for^?12:40
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: cjwatson12:41
apacheloggerat least mailman lists him as only moderator12:41
JontheEchidnaI'd ping him right now, but I'm leaving in a bit for school12:42
JontheEchidnaThink we can get ktorrent back on the seed for alpha3?12:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: mail approved12:44
* apachelogger does not think ktorrent should be seeded TBH12:44
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you pinged him? thanks12:44
apacheloggeryep12:44
Riddellshtylman: ubiquity today looks good except at the install stage nothing is shown13:34
Riddellshtylman: also shutdown doesn't work13:40
shtylmanRiddell: what do you mean nothing is shown?13:44
ScottKRiddell: We just make the process for kubuntu-starters (or whatever - I don't like that name either) "If you are a MOTU and ask, we'll add you."13:44
shtylmanlike the slideshow is broken?13:44
Riddellshtylman: nothing at all!13:45
shtylman...13:45
shtylmannot even a progress bar?13:45
Riddellshtylman: no UI at all until the "time to reboot" dialogue pops up13:45
Riddellnope13:45
shtylmanwtf13:45
RiddellScottK: I agree13:45
shtylmandoes /var/log/installer/debug say anything weird?13:45
ScottKWould it be considered weird if it didn't say anything weird?13:46
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shtylmanhaha13:49
shtylmanpossibly :)13:49
Riddellbug 52645413:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526454 in ubiquity "install progress not shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52645413:50
shtylmanRiddell: noted...I will take a look after work today13:54
Riddellshtylman: also bug 52645613:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526456 in ubiquity "shutdown does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52645613:55
shtylmank13:55
Riddellthanks shtylman13:55
Riddellshtylman: grey bar at bottom of screen is gone, that's looking much better :)13:55
shtylman:) ... yea.. I finally realized what it was13:55
shtylmanit was the status bar of the window13:55
shtylmanI just had to remove it13:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: stop flooding my inbox :P13:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: huh?13:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe... you closed and triaged tons of bugs yesterday... and im subscribed to kubuntu bugs ML :D13:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: ubuntu dev tools has the tools for packaging right?14:05
shadeslayerlike dch etc?14:05
Riddellshtylman: hah14:05
Riddellshadeslayer: devscripts14:09
persiaAnyone have any objections to only building kubuntu-netbook for armel, rather than both kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-netbook?  This would parallel a change in ubuntu-*.14:09
Riddellpersia: fine with me14:10
persiaThanks.14:10
shadeslayerRiddell: ah.. what are the tools for?14:10
Riddellfor packaging?14:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: ubuntu-dev-tools is ubuntu centric, whereas devscript is for general debian packaging (and some debian centric stuff)14:11
apacheloggerdpkg -L ubuntu-dev-tools | grep usr/bin | less14:12
shadeslayerhmm14:12
ScottKpersia: Originally that was supposed to be what happened on armel.  Not sure why netbook was added instead of substituted.14:13
persiaScottK: I think it was just a coordination confusion.14:14
persiaSame thing happened for ubuntu-*14:14
ScottKSounds likely .14:14
shadeslayerwhat package would i find : JOSCHYCORE_LIBRARIES JOSCHYCORE_INCLUDE_DIR)14:18
apacheloggerRiddell: I updated the kubuntu l10n stuff in pkg-kde-tools14:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: apt-cache search joschycore14:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: nothing :(14:19
shadeslayer!find joschycore14:19
ubottuPackage/file joschycore does not exist in karmic14:19
apacheloggerthen there probably is no package14:19
shadeslayerhmm then how did my ppa build the package 0_014:20
apacheloggeroh well14:20
apacheloggersource import on gitorious was only done on feb 1614:20
apacheloggerno wonder there is no pkg :D14:20
* persia points out `apt-file search joschy` as more comprehensive14:21
apacheloggerwe do not have apt-file by default14:21
shadeslayerpersia: nothing there too )D14:21
shadeslayer:)14:21
shadeslayerhttp://gitorious.org/joschy/joschy14:21
shadeslayerthere we go :P14:21
Riddellapachelogger: thanks, was there much diff?14:22
apacheloggerRiddell: only in findfiles, which apparently was not merged since you imported it back in july 200814:22
Riddellapachelogger: I reported bug 526472, not sure if we already had one for that14:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526472 in kdebase "folder view needs to support configChanged()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52647214:23
apacheloggerRiddell: patch in bzr14:24
apacheloggeronly supports changes to the url though14:24
* shadeslayer loves it when cmake prints out that pink,blue and green lines :D14:24
apacheloggerI asked fredrik to create configChanged() upstream14:24
apacheloggerto which he agreed, so I hope we can drop that patch at least with SC 4.514:24
Riddellapachelogger: any reason not to upload now?14:27
apacheloggerRiddell: nope14:27
apacheloggerI was just waiting if I'd stumble across more stuff to fix in kdebase, but since we are in freeze, I suppose it can go up anyway :)14:28
RiddellI'll upload then thanks14:28
Riddellshtylman: bug 526486 just FYI, probably something to be fixed in casper rather than ubiquity, although I am curious to know what's changed14:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526486 in casper "ubiquity not starting in kubuntu install only mode " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52648614:44
Riddellshtylman: also bug 52649615:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526496 in ubiquity "Kubuntu OEM install fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52649615:08
shadeslayerRiddell: can i make my own PPA depend on itself for libs?15:12
Riddellshadeslayer: PPAs always depend on themselves15:13
shadeslayeroh..15:13
shadeslayerthats new :P15:13
shadeslayerwhat package would Q_WS_X11 correspond to>15:26
Riddellthat's a defined value in Qt code which is set to true when it's compiled on X11 platforms. it's not a package15:31
Riddellpersia: what's the difference between Contributing Developers and MOTU?15:32
persiaRiddell: Contributing Developers can work on any packages anywhere (not related to universe) and have no upload rights.15:33
persiaI think you're well covered with "Kubuntu Members" if you want a parallel15:33
persiaThe distinction mostly lies in that the CC wanted to have the MC membership team be indirect.15:34
Riddellright, it's the membership category rather than the upload rights15:34
persiaRight.15:35
persiaBut members who are also Contributing Developers need to have involvement in Development.15:35
persiaLike members who are also Kubuntu Members need to have involvement in Kubuntu.15:35
Riddellyep15:35
Riddellthanks15:35
Riddelldpm: that looks like some interesting output there15:40
Riddelldpm: let me know when you have it set up for lucid15:40
dpmRiddell, yeah, not today, but I'll get to it tomorrow15:41
Riddelllovely15:41
ScottKdpm: Do you think you could have a look at the balance of the quassel imports?  The one that failed is the only one with duplicate msgid.15:50
dpmScottK, sure, I'll try to make a "Kubuntu day" tomorrow and look at the langpack reports and this. I noticed the duplicate msgid's, and I think I can just fix the file locally, manually import it to LP and send it upstream. I was also talking with the kde-i18n and quassel guys on how to best gettextize quassel the other day, but this might take some time15:53
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shtylman_Riddell: how is that UI different than what is there now?15:59
shtylman_or is that just meant to show what is there now?15:59
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shtylman_Riddell: personally, I don't like the button at all... I don't think it belongs in the installer16:00
shtylman_Riddell: the installer should be smarter and detect if it can update itself... the user shouldn't have to worry about such a thing16:00
Riddellshtylman_: that is ment to show what's there now16:02
shadeslayerbtw if a package checks for KDE availability,i should make it depend on kdebase or the whole kubuntu-desktop metapackage?16:04
Riddellkdelibs5-dev16:04
shadeslayerRiddell: ah thanks :)16:06
shadeslayerRiddell: for qt i guess its libqt4-dev16:07
Riddellyes16:07
jussi01great... installing printers is borked in lucid16:07
shadeslayerRiddell: what would : BUILD_QNETWORKLAYER : mean?16:08
shadeslayerlike what package for that ?16:08
RiddellI've no idea16:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: that sounds like a build option really16:09
shadeslayerhmmm maybe its just adding a new dir16:09
apacheloggeri.e. build true or false16:09
apacheloggerkubotu: np16:09
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Omen" by The Prodigy [http://open.spotify.com/track/35Ki084dIfWYN1emPAylDt] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more16:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah.. thats what im trying to figure out16:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: are you free on 27 feb 1700 UTC?16:09
Riddellshtylman_: bug 526534 is new and rather puzzling breakage on netbook16:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526534 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after first page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52653416:10
shadeslayeri was talking to dholbach and i suggested we have a small PPA session16:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training16:10
shtylman_Riddell: that is strange indeed...16:11
apacheloggerRiddell: how do you want to reslove bug 52648816:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526488 in kubuntu-default-settings "plasmoids overlap on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52648816:11
shtylman_only on the netbook version?16:11
Riddellapachelogger: if height < 700 don't load twitter I think16:12
apacheloggerhm16:12
Riddellshtylman_: yes16:12
apacheloggereasy enough to do16:12
apacheloggerRiddell: are you on it already?16:12
Riddellapachelogger: not yet16:12
apacheloggerRiddell: ok, I'll get started on it16:12
Riddellshtylman_: ubiquity normally runs as root right?16:12
* apachelogger finds javascripting quite cool :)16:12
Riddellapachelogger: yo da man!16:13
apachelogger^^16:13
shtylman_Riddell: yea, but the kde libs don't like that so at the start it isn't root to create the kapplication16:13
apacheloggerRiddell: how about if < 1024x768?16:13
shtylman_and then is root again16:13
Riddellapachelogger: seems good16:13
apacheloggerok16:14
shadeslayeroh and one more thing,these joschy libs dont have a version.. what do i do?16:14
shadeslayer:P16:14
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.ca/1806970 <<16:15
apachelogger0.0.0.1~git20100223 for example16:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe.. thats loads of 0's16:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: okies16:15
apacheloggerI think persia recommended it, since some tools dont like 0.0~git, and most projects only have 3 version numbers, so 0.0.0.1 is a pretty save bet but still should work everywhere16:16
shadeslayerok thats looks good :)16:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: what are the basic files i need? compat,changelog,control.. and?16:18
Riddellcopyright!16:18
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah that too16:18
shadeslayer:P16:18
Riddellmost important one that, else it'll never get approved16:18
Riddellrules is also useful16:19
shadeslayerRiddell: just need : http://pastebin.ca/180698416:19
shadeslayerright?16:19
shtylman_shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete16:20
shadeslayerhmm16:20
shadeslayershtylman_: the dh_make will work with a non @kubuntu address right?16:21
shtylman_should16:21
shtylman_I use my gmail addy all the time16:21
shadeslayer:)16:21
shadeslayershtylman_: multiple binary is for 32 and 64 bits?16:22
shadeslayeroh wait this is a library16:22
Riddellplease test Qt 4.6.2 https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa16:27
Riddellshadeslayer: if it's a KDE package you'll need the kde include16:28
apachelogger\o/16:28
apacheloggerseariously plasma scripting is awesme16:28
* apachelogger just spent couple of minutes just looking at it adding and removing stuff from his desktop ^^16:28
shtylman_Riddell: what goodies can we expect with 4.6.2?16:30
shtylman_also... is it possible to install just one thing from your ppa? or do we have to update all things?16:31
Riddellshtylman_: everything else is old versions for lucid so only qt should install16:31
Riddellshtylman_: lots of bugfixes hopefully16:31
apacheloggerRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/revision/35716:32
shtylman_Riddell: cool, noted... will try it out tonight16:32
Riddellapachelogger: lovely16:33
apacheloggerRiddell: anything else to do, otherwise I'll upload that stuff16:33
Riddellapachelogger: we're frozen, shouldn't upload unless it's needed for alpha 316:34
seelewas there a kubuntu meeting i missed? i dont remember the recent membership (unless it was a while ago)16:34
apacheloggerRiddell: that twitter stuff was annoying for far too long ;)16:34
Riddellseele: there was a kubuntu-dev meeting, to approve ncommander, not being a packager you wouldn't be invited (which doesn't mean we didn't miss you)16:35
apacheloggerseele: we only do kubuntu-dev meetings for kubuntu-dev applications16:35
seeleaaah, ok i didnt realise it was a dev meeting. should have read the email in it's entirety. twice.16:35
seeleRiddell: i didnt realise you can update the installer? why would you do that? most of the time people will be installing from Live CD and wouldnt an update just eat memory?16:36
shadeslayerRiddell: which kde include?16:36
shadeslayer(had a phone call)16:37
Riddellseele: it's new.  I guess it's so that bugs can be fixed in ubiquity after release16:37
apachelogger*nod*16:37
seeleRiddell: if updates to the installer are imperative, then it should do a check if there is a network connection and use them automatically16:37
Riddellshadeslayer: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk16:37
apacheloggerso your pc does not explode when there is a bug in the partitioner16:37
seelethere is no reason to ask the user if they want to use an updated installer16:37
apacheloggerseele: what about traffic limitations?16:37
shadeslayerRiddell: ah yes its actually a library needed to build bangarang16:37
apacheloggerseele: or 56k modem users16:38
seeleapachelogger: why would updates to an installer be so huge?16:38
shadeslayerapachelogger: i think there should be a option with a warning...16:38
apacheloggerseele: because of how debian packaging work sand how ubuntu was not able to introduce sensible deta updates up until now :(16:38
seeleif potential problems in teh installer are such that we think we need to push updates to a live cd installation, then maybe we should fix the installer16:38
* apachelogger notes that this would mean rewriting it in a sensible language :P16:39
seelehmm.. maybe i dont understand the problem. let's try this: what screwed up in a way that made us realise we need network updates?16:39
apacheloggerlike ecmascript ^^16:39
Riddell16:00 < shtylman_> Riddell: the installer should be smarter and detect if it can update itself... the user shouldn't have to worry about such a thing16:39
shadeslayerapachelogger: like 1)Use latest Installer ( /i This may take time depending on your Internet connection)16:39
Riddellseele: looks like shtylman_ agrees with you16:39
seeleit's really an unnecessary decision16:40
* apachelogger also agrees FTR16:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: 2) I dont have a Internet connection,continue with this version16:40
Riddellprobably need to ask evand why the button was added16:40
seelewhy would deb packaging break on a closed system that was tested? it shoudl break after installation on the first update16:40
apacheloggeryou can not automate it without making some users unhappy16:40
seelein that case, it could be fixed there16:40
shtylman_Riddell seele: I agree... I think the thinking was that if we release an installer (lets say for an LTS) and later it is realized that something in it is broken and we have a fix16:40
seeleapachelogger: it's open source. if people care about what we'er doing to their computers they can look at the code (in theory)16:40
shtylman_there is a way to get the user to install that16:40
shadeslayerwell im not in support.. i have a 128 kbps connection and i know how painful it is to upgrade :P16:40
shtylman_but personally...I think the installer should tell the user16:41
seelewe're installing shit on their harddrive and potentially destroying their data arent we?16:41
shtylman_and not require action on the user's part16:41
seeleif we think making an update to the installer will provide the best installation to them, i dont see why we cant make that decision16:41
shadeslayerseele: kubuntu!=shit ;P16:41
apacheloggerseele: it's not about the non-feedback manner of doing things, it is about how we could cause users problems by exceeding their download limit16:41
apacheloggeror by taking ages to download due to 56k16:41
seeleif it takes too long to download or the connection is bork, abort the process and use the available install16:41
shadeslayerseele: so why download in the first place16:42
apacheloggerseele: in that case we might have wasted traffic resources for nothing16:42
seeleapachelogger: i still dont understand.. what are they downloading? if it is a live cd they dont have anywhere to put it yet16:42
apacheloggerseele: no, updates to the installer16:42
shtylman_seele: it goes into ram16:42
seeleapachelogger: right.. so how big is that? a few MB at most? people are worrieda bout that?16:42
shtylman_seele: and then they need to restart the installer16:42
apacheloggerseele: what if they are like close to the limit?16:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: idea : ping ubuntu servers,if lag is greater is more than LIMIT,dont download updates else download latest updates16:43
Riddell16:43 < ev> Riddell: can you expand on that?  It gives us a way to get a newer version of the installer to users on released CDs, in case things go horribly wrong at release.16:43
seeleapachelogger: i'd say they are screwed regardless16:43
Riddell16:43 < ev> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-auto-upgrade16:43
apacheloggerseele: I am quite sure they will see that differently16:43
seelethen why are we pushing an update at all?16:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: ping respond time is no indication to anything16:44
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shtylman_the feature is important16:44
shtylman_im just saying that the button isn't the best way to go16:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: um it shows how fast their connection is16:45
shtylman_but it was the quickest solution16:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: no, it shows how fast the server responds16:45
seeleok, i need to think about this later. have to go to a meeting16:45
apacheloggerno more than that16:45
shadeslayerhmm16:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: if you want to know how fast a connection is you must seend a continues data stream large enough to use all the bandwith for some time16:45
shtylman_Riddell: personally... for lucid... I think the best we can hope for is maybe moving that button16:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: hmm16:46
shtylman_beyond that I don't foresee things changing16:46
apacheloggershtylman_: does the button download a whole package or just an updated file?16:47
shtylman_apachelogger: I would venture to say the whole package... but I really don't know16:49
shtylman_never done it16:49
shadeslayerRiddell: btw did you see my last comment?16:49
Riddellshadeslayer: what was that?16:49
shadeslayer22:07 < shadeslayer> Riddell: ah yes its actually a library needed to build bangarang16:49
Riddellshadeslayer: ok, is there a question for me?16:50
apacheloggershtylman_: that would be ludicrious TBH, takes away about any sensibe advantage python ever had :S16:50
apacheloggerthen again I find the fact that we have to download whole packages for updates in 2010 rather awful in itself16:50
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah actually,so i showed you the rules file,and you said i needed to put that in for a kde package and i wanted to know if libraries qualify16:50
shtylman_apachelogger: don't quote me on that... it may download just the file(s) it needs16:51
shadeslayerRiddell: this particular lib is needed to compile a kde app16:51
shtylman_but I would bet that it just uses the package management system16:51
shtylman_to be safe16:51
apacheloggermost likely16:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^ for me?16:52
apacheloggerno :P16:52
shadeslayer:D16:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: for you: depends on if the library is a kde library and uses the kde buildsystem16:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: well it depends on other kde libs such as kdelibs5-dev...16:53
apacheloggerthen yes16:53
shadeslayerok16:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: i just need : include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk16:54
shadeslayerright?16:54
Riddellshadeslayer: if it build-deps on kdelibs then it wants the kde cdbs rules16:55
apachelogger...the reason I think cubs should not be using cdbs :P16:56
shadeslayerok16:56
shadeslayerbtw do i need to add build-essential to the build depend?16:57
apacheloggerhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/38940781/colorbug.jpg16:57
apacheloggerlol :D16:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: cdbs16:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: thats is lol16:57
shtylman_apachelogger: nice16:58
Riddellshadeslayer: no build-essential is explicity not needed as a build-depend, it's always assumed16:58
apacheloggerI wonder where that comes from16:58
shadeslayerok16:58
shadeslayerok just one error : W: joschy source: debhelper-but-no-misc-depends joschy-dev16:59
shadeslayerinfact its a warning :)16:59
Riddelllintian output is always googleable17:00
Riddellhttp://lintian.debian.org/tags/debhelper-but-no-misc-depends.html17:00
shadeslayerfull o/p : http://pastebin.ca/180702217:00
shadeslayerooh17:00
shadeslayerRiddell: i have  ${misc:Depends} in the depends entry in debian/contro17:02
Riddellspooky17:03
shadeslayerRiddell: ah the package entry didnt have it17:03
shadeslayerpastebinit fails17:04
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.ca/180702617:04
maco2seele: did you see that email on the linuxchix list?17:04
shadeslayerum why the old konqueror logo? : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uY9EixhO9uU/S4CvrKkXlbI/AAAAAAAAI5I/UHrt5a7UV70/s1600-h/snapshot1.jpg17:05
Riddellshadeslayer: you need long descriptions17:05
shadeslayerRiddell: i know... dont have them right now17:05
Riddellshadeslayer: and the current description isn't very useful, it should say what it does not what uses it17:06
Riddellok17:06
shtylman_shadeslayer: I am fixing that...won't be old logo by release17:06
shadeslayerRiddell: the gitorious page says nothing right now,im emailing the dev to ask for the description17:06
shadeslayershtylman_: cool17:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: remember to install kdesdk-scripts and run optimizegraphics one the new ones are in ;)17:07
Riddellshtylman_, nixternal: I'm not sure we even want to promote konqueror, it's not like it's an app to be proud of these days17:07
shadeslayershtylman_: well if i may suggest,something like konqi holding the world?17:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: on lucid?17:07
shtylman_Riddell: I can remove the page?17:07
shtylman_im fine with that...17:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: i just picked up that image from a blog..17:07
shtylman_but then what do we tell users about a webbrowser?17:07
shtylman_firefox? chrome? ... those aren't there by default17:07
shadeslayeroh btw17:08
shtylman_I personally use chrome17:08
shtylman_but we don't ship it cause of other concerns17:08
shtylman_chromium I mean17:08
shadeslayersuse is thinking of shipping rekonq as soon as it moves from playground17:08
apacheloggerohhhh!!!!17:08
shadeslayerjust thought you might like to know17:08
apacheloggerRiddell: we need to update kdewebkit17:08
apacheloggermore recent version are quite decent17:08
Riddellshtylman_: mm, maybe keep it for now17:09
shtylman_Riddell: will do... if anything changes just let me know17:09
shtylman_its trivial to change17:09
* shadeslayer uploads to his new ppa17:10
shadeslayergrr : Unable to find distroseries: unstable17:10
shadeslayeroh thats just dumb of me17:11
apacheloggeromg!!!!17:12
* apachelogger is omging too much17:12
Riddellapachelogger: did you just win a pony?17:12
apacheloggerkonqueror needs dolphin kpart which apparently is in dolphin package, so filemanagement does not work17:12
apacheloggerRiddell: unfortunately no :(17:12
apacheloggers/no/not17:13
Riddellyou don't have dolphin installed?17:13
Mamarokhow about making a wiki page we can point users to who have problems with Akonadi not starting?17:13
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 50209717:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 502097 in kdebase "konqueror freezes on start, consuming full CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50209717:13
apacheloggerMamarok: that is on userbase already17:13
Mamarokuserbase.kde.org is a bit complicated only for two lines17:13
apacheloggertwo lines?17:14
Mamarokapachelogger: I want to make a factoid17:14
Mamarokthese two lines:17:14
Mamaroksudo aa-complain mysqld17:14
Mamaroksudo /etc/init.d/apparmor reload17:14
apacheloggerehm17:14
apacheloggerthere are no apparmor problems?17:14
Mamarokapachelogger: the main reason for Akonadi not starting is apparmor17:15
apacheloggerno it is not?17:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: um i added tags : boot to bug 513237... hope thats fine17:15
Mamarokor so says usrebase.kde.org :)17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 513237 in ubuntu "Kubutu 9.10 with KDE 4.3.4 takes more than 3 min to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51323717:15
apacheloggerMamarok: maybe for source installations17:15
apacheloggerour package deploys a config for apparmor and our mysqld17:15
Mamarokapachelogger: then talk to the userbase people, since they give exactly that solution17:15
shadeslayerMamarok: that didnt work for me :(17:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: I wouldn't know, not exactly an interesting bug since the report implies he is a lot of people17:16
apacheloggerMamarok: among others17:16
Mamarokshadeslayer: and what did work?17:16
Riddellshtylman_: shutdown bug also reported on ubuntu side so maybe not our problem bug 52647417:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526474 in ubiquity "After OEM installation, automatic reboot fails to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52647417:16
shadeslayerMamarok: nothing till now ><17:16
apacheloggerMamarok: you should send every use requesting assitance with akonadi to #akonadi17:17
shadeslayerive never used akonadi :P17:17
apacheloggermaybe that will make them fix their software :P17:17
Mamarokshadeslayer: it works for me, never had any problems, but according to userbase there is17:17
Mamarokshadeslayer: you don't use Kontact, then17:17
shadeslayerMamarok: nope17:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: #akonadi will be flooded :D17:19
Mamarokapachelogger: so far almost all people who had Akonadi not starting who complained about it was for apparmor17:19
shadeslayerMamarok: this is what i get : http://pastebin.ca/180703417:19
Mamarokshadeslayer: rubbish, there are not that many, and those who have problems can solve it with two lines17:19
apacheloggerif anyone wants to translate bug 48362717:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 483627 in kdebase "kde4 trashes X resources" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48362717:20
* apachelogger does not understand anything17:20
Mamarokshadeslayer: you have a very strange setting, then, never had that17:20
apacheloggerMamarok: until I see proof of that it is just not true17:20
shadeslayerMamarok: lol.. like i said ive never needed akonadi17:20
apacheloggeroh17:20
apacheloggernote!!!17:21
apacheloggerMamarok: the status dialog that complains about errors at mysqld startup does only get shown twice17:21
apacheloggerunless the mysqld startup really fails17:21
apacheloggerso you would get a dialog for an error that was indeed not fatal but after that no more, because akoandi is indeed running17:21
apacheloggeranyhow it is one big mess and I blame mysql for it17:22
Mamaroktsimpson: OK, let's forget about that factoid then *sigh*17:22
shtylman_Riddell: good to know... makes my life easier :)17:28
shadeslayerakonadictl start says : http://pastebin.ca/180704417:28
shadeslayerlol.. just did a whois on kubotu  :P17:32
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seelemaco2: i am not on the linuxchix list unless you mean the dc one17:37
Riddellapachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/f5WFxPtp  remove icon cache from CD17:41
JontheEchidnahmm, i386 iso gets oxygen-icon-theme-complete on it, probably why amd64 is smaller at the moment17:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: i386 wasn't oversized so I kept it on17:43
JontheEchidnaah, ok17:43
JontheEchidnaso that icon cache thing is gnome-specific?17:44
Riddellyes17:44
JontheEchidnadidn't know that17:44
JontheEchidnadoes that mean the livecd also comes with /var/kdecache-ubuntu/kpc (kpixmapcache)?17:44
shadeslayer_suppose i want to specify a local mirror to download stuff from in pbuilder... what do i use?17:44
JontheEchidnaapachelogger has a handy hook for local mirrors17:45
shadeslayer_like in the initial pbuilder-create run,i want it download stuff from my country mirror17:45
apacheloggerRiddell: cool ... you know, I think that should be rm -f ${ROOT}/usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache17:45
shadeslayer_apachelogger: ^^17:45
apacheloggerRiddell: hicolor also got a cache, not that large, but still17:45
RiddellJontheEchidna: I think that gets generated on first run, which is probably a notable boot time impediment17:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: see pbuilder-hooks branch on launchpad17:46
JontheEchidnaso it's space vs boot time?17:46
apacheloggershadeslayer_: see pbuilder-hooks branch on launchpad17:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I suppose you know about the branch already? ;)17:46
JontheEchidna;)17:46
shadeslayer_apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks ?17:47
apacheloggeraighto17:47
Riddellapachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/kj2tSBSR17:48
shadeslayer_apachelogger: btw from where does pbuilder download the packages ?17:48
shadeslayer_in the default settings/17:48
apacheloggeryay17:48
* apachelogger hugs Riddell17:48
apacheloggerRiddell: how soon can we get new images with that? :D17:48
apacheloggershadeslayer_: archive.ubuntu.com I think17:49
shadeslayer_apachelogger: and i can change that right17:49
apacheloggeryou can change almost everything in pbuilder17:49
apacheloggeror at least influence it17:49
apacheloggerjust need to know how ;)17:49
* Riddell wonders why /usr/share/icons/kcm_gtk.png exists17:50
Riddellapachelogger: the machine will need to sync the update, I'm not sure how that works17:50
shadeslayer_apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/180706817:52
shadeslayer_apachelogger: btw if the base.tgz is in /var/cache... it wont be removed after every reboot right?17:53
JontheEchidnanah, it sticks around17:54
shadeslayer_oh thats good :)17:54
JontheEchidnaif it was in /tmp, then we'd have to worry :D17:54
Riddellor /var/run17:55
Riddellor /var/lock17:55
shadeslayer_brb17:56
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shadeslayer_apachelogger: btw after i run pbuilder i just need to copy the source and run pdebuild right?18:02
shadeslayer_(in the directory containing debian/)18:02
* apachelogger does nt use pdebuild18:02
apacheloggersomething like that I suppose18:02
shadeslayer_apachelogger: then how do you use pbuilder?18:02
apacheloggermanually :P18:02
shadeslayer_apachelogger: eh?18:03
apacheloggerpbuilder --help18:03
shadeslayer_apachelogger: like what debuild does manually? \o/18:03
apacheloggeryes18:03
shadeslayer_apachelogger: dude you must have alot of time :O18:03
apacheloggeryep, I also do debuild manually18:04
shadeslayer_gah... :D18:04
shadeslayer_well im going for now... leaving pbuilder to do its stuff :P18:05
Riddellapachelogger: I can't work out what generates that gnome icon cache anyway18:13
Riddellit's normally dh_icon but the oxygen package doesn't use that18:13
apacheloggerRiddell: maybe some other dh_ that invokes dh_icon18:15
apacheloggeror maybe it is just hidden deep in the nothingless of build scripting18:15
Riddellwell there is no postinst script18:15
apacheloggeroh18:15
Riddellmaybe it's gtk or something else18:16
apacheloggerpossibly18:16
apacheloggerhicolor maybe18:16
apacheloggermaybe the postinst does generate a cache for each icon set18:16
Riddellno in /var/lib/dpkg/info/hicolor-icon-theme.postinst18:18
apacheloggerweird weird18:18
maco2seele: yes i meant the dc one18:29
seelemaco2: ah, i will check it18:30
seeleonly check that mail once a day18:30
maco2seele: katie posted a link to a guy who's looking for local FOSS-types to interview18:30
maco2for tv18:30
seelehuh18:30
seeledunno if i am photogenic enough18:30
maco2you're beautiful!18:31
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: any estimates on how much space removing this icon cache would free?18:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: 15 I'd say18:36
JontheEchidnahrmhrm18:36
apacheloggerat least that is how much space it occupied with lzma -918:37
JontheEchidnamaybe we could put a few games on the CD in its place? I've always missed games on the default kubuntu install18:37
JontheEchidnamaybe kpat, kmines, kbreakout18:37
apacheloggeror translations :P18:37
RiddellI've always placed langpacks above games18:37
JontheEchidnayeah, true18:38
JontheEchidnakdegames-card-data would probably have to be split up, too18:39
shadeslayerhey18:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: i cant still figure out how to use pbuilder18:43
shadeslayerwhere do i copy the sources?18:43
Riddellyou don't18:45
shadeslayerRiddell: then?18:45
Riddellsudo pbuilder build <pacakage>.dsc18:46
shadeslayeroh...18:46
shadeslayerRiddell: that after i run debuild -S -sa on the folder18:46
shadeslayergah18:47
Riddellyes18:47
shadeslayerit downloads extra files?18:47
shadeslayeroh noes...18:47
Riddellit downloads everything needed to build it18:48
shadeslayerum.. i have a very slow net connection ><18:48
shadeslayerRiddell: and what does this tell you : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39624345/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.joschy_0.0.0.1~git20100223-0ubuntu0~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?18:49
Riddellshadeslayer: something funny in your Depends in debian/control18:49
shadeslayerRiddell: http://pastebin.ca/180713318:50
shadeslayerand yeah i changed it a bit... last one didnt work either18:51
Riddellyour brackets are in the wrong place18:52
RiddellDepends: joschy1 (= ${binary:Version}), ${misc:Depends}18:52
Riddellshould be like that18:53
shadeslayerohh18:53
shadeslayerRiddell: apart from that,nothing else?18:53
Riddellthat pastebin doesn't have anything for joschy1 package18:54
RiddellBuild-Depends neater to have comma then space not space then comma18:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: it is libjoschy1, not joschy1 btw18:57
apacheloggerin case that is a lib package18:57
apacheloggerwhat I assume from the 1 ;)18:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/180714218:58
shadeslayerum one sec.. one more correction18:59
RiddellLex79: colibri is in new, what stops /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service clashing with notify-osd?18:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/180714519:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: section libs for libjoschy1 is redundant with the one at the very top19:00
RiddellDepends: joschy1  that's wrong19:00
apacheloggerif you do not define a section for the binary block it will inherit the section from source19:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: still missing long descriptions19:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah i done have anything to write right now19:01
shadeslayeralso its only going in my playgorund ppa19:02
shadeslayer*playground19:02
apacheloggerthat does not justify low quality packaging :P19:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: i know,but what do i write?19:02
apacheloggersomething that describes the package and its purpose19:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: also youre suggesting i change line 17 right?19:03
apacheloggerand why a user would want to install it ;)19:03
shadeslayerhmm19:05
claydohclaydoh's Dumb Question of the Day: is it 'safe' to enable all the different ppa repos, ie there shouldn't be any conflicts or the like?19:05
claydohI assume there should be none19:05
apacheloggerit's not particularly tested19:05
apacheloggerbut19:05
apacheloggerthey override each other :P19:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: can you tell what exactly i need to change in : Section: libs19:06
claydohoverride that's the word I needed19:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: remove it19:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: ah ok19:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: it gets inherited from the Section: libs in the top section19:06
shadeslayerok...19:07
apacheloggerthe first stanza is the source stanza19:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: long description should be indented?19:07
apacheloggerand usually what is there is inherited into the other stanzas (binary those are)19:07
shadeslayerin the second stanza19:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes, one char indent19:08
shadeslayerok19:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/180715619:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: this one is better : http://pastebin.ca/180715919:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: the -dev still lacks a long description and if the libjochsy1 really feature sheader files, then something is seriously wrong ;)19:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: and the relationship with bangarang is unimportant19:11
apacheloggerother apps can use the lib too :P19:11
shadeslayerok19:11
shadeslayerhehe19:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: imagine that a developer who reads this must know why he might want to use this library in his application19:12
apacheloggeroh, btw, recorditnow also uses it IIRC19:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: This library provides functions for uploading videos to  sites such as www.youtube.com and www.blip.tv19:13
apacheloggerbetter19:13
shadeslayerdoh... it isnt required by bangarang... just recorditnow19:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: well can i put it both the sections?19:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes, but no :P19:15
shadeslayer(oh and what are the other 2 called)19:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: you must somehow reflect that the -dev package contains the headers19:15
shadeslayerhmm19:15
apacheloggera common praticse for that is to write a line at the very bottom saying something like "this package contains the header files necessary to build applications against libfoobar0"19:16
apacheloggerblah blah blah19:16
apachelogger.19:16
apacheloggerthis package contains...19:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: the indented period is to simulate an emty line19:16
shadeslayerheader files necessary to build apps against recorditnow19:16
apacheloggerehm19:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: for the second section right19:17
apacheloggerno :P19:17
shadeslayer:D19:17
apacheloggeragain you are implying that one can only link recorditnow against it19:17
shadeslayeroh...19:17
shadeslayerok header files necessary to build apps against libjoschy019:18
apacheloggermore like it19:18
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.ca/1807178 << apachelogger19:19
shadeslayerwell ive gtg19:19
Lex79Riddell: I don't know, I'm not concerned about that dbus issue, I only made the package to be sure we have before feauture freeze :)19:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: just tell me if thats correct :P19:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: short description is not exactly useful, other than that it should be good19:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: well ill try to put something more useful19:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: cya tommorow,and thanks alot19:21
shadeslayerRiddell: thanks alot :D19:21
Mamarokhm, I have a user in #kubuntu who is locked out of karmic, using KDE 4.3.219:40
Mamarokhe sees the KDM login screen and then it fails19:41
Mamarokthat's his kdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382457/19:41
MamarokI could need some help, there19:42
apacheloggerMamarok: looks like a dbus issue to me19:45
apacheloggerpossibly rendering consolekit unusable, which would explain the behaviour19:46
apacheloggerMamarok: maybe ~/.xsession-errors contains more information19:47
Mamarokapachelogger: I will ask him, unless you have time for some support :)19:48
apacheloggernot really, I am almost falling asleep ^^19:49
MamarokOK, what should I look for there? any hints?19:49
apacheloggerMamarok: errors towards the end of file19:51
nixternalhola19:52
Mamarokhey nixternal, gone Spanish?19:53
Mamarokapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382476/19:53
nixternalyeah, just had a wonderful mexican lunch...though, I think all I eat is either Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Thai, or Indian food lately19:55
Mamaroksounds yummy19:56
Mamarokapachelogger: still around?19:57
apacheloggerohm19:57
apacheloggerMamarok: is the user starting failsafe perhaps?19:57
Mamarokhm, I will ask him19:57
apacheloggera regular session should probably not try to invoke x-terimnal-emulator19:58
apacheloggerfailsafe however would IIRC19:58
Mamarokwell, apparently he is not in failsafe mode, but starts through ssh, this might be the problem20:01
* nixternal smacks apachelogger with some negativity20:13
apacheloggeroi vey!20:14
Mamarokis this only my impression or is przemo_one throwing random suggestions at beric?20:14
nixternalRiddell: I agree about Konqi, and that's why i decided it is just best to stick with "web browsing" and let the slide show something maybe on the firefox installer, and that Google Chromium is available, and that Kubuntu does have web browsing out of the box...now, that you think Konqi isn't that great, makes me think we need to choose a damn browser already, even if it is GTK based20:20
nixternalI have been reading some really good things about rekonq, and even from the windows side as well20:20
Mamarokgah,m that przemo guy is going on my nerves, really20:25
jussi01does anyone know how to change lilo for grub? when I installed grub wouldnt install so I had to use lilo...20:50
jussi01:/20:50
nixternalhttp://mypict.me/upload/0/60/752/60752837.jpg  <- do you see what I see?20:58
Mamarokhey! A Kubuntu sticker!20:59
nixternalwoohoo!21:05
nixternalthat's my buddy eddie who is teaching his neices and nephews Linux from the start...he goes to a highly technical university known as the Illinios Institute of Technology, and he studies..wait for it...wait for it...Political Science21:07
nixternalspeaking of IIT, I am giving a talk there tonight21:07
Mamaroknice!21:07
Mamarokmoar stickers to spread then :)21:07
nixternalI love going over to his house, his mom makes amazing authentic mexican food...mouth...is...watering21:08
Mamarokdidn't you just eat mexican?21:12
nixternalMamarok: yes, but it is probably by far my favorite food, very close to sushi though21:21
Mamarokhm, I think my preferred food is Asian, somewhere between Indian, Thai and Chinese, with the occasional Sushi or Sashimi (although the latter is hard to get)21:22
nixternaldoes choqok crash for everyone else after sending a dent/tweet?21:22
Mamarokand Italian21:22
Mamaroknot for me, using Karmic and 4.421:22
nixternalI grew up eating italian so much, I mean this is Chicago, and Italian is everywhere...though it is still one of my top 10s :)21:23
nixternalpolish food, mainly perogies...oh boy, those will be the death of me :)21:23
nixternaland of course Chicago style pizza and Chicago hot dogs21:23
* Sput loves sushi / sashimi21:24
Sputcan't stand mexican :)21:24
nixternalNOOOO21:26
nixternalyou just haven't had it done right then21:26
nixternalnothing like a sweet beach style mexican taco, a cold cabo waborita, and the sand in your toes21:27
nixternalone of these days, that is what my life will be on a daily basis...now to find a sweet job that allows me to telecommute so I can move down there already :)21:27
SputI don't have anything against mexican beaches21:31
Sputbut I don't need to have the food :)21:31
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nixternalRiddell: KOffice 2.1.1 finished and uploaded \o/22:57
* nixternal gets ready for his big presentation tonight22:57
pgquilesanyone working on Qt 4.6.2 ? I'm uploading it to my PPA (with Phonon 4.3.80, sadly I don't have time for Phonon 4.4.0 now)22:58
pgquilesugh, just found it at riddell's PPA :-/22:59
sghRiddell: Hi ..... my fix for karmic-backports. I think I can figure it out, but I cant figure out which branch to checkout23:10
sghRiddell: I'm looking here : https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic23:11
* NCommander readds this to AJOIN list23:20
NCommanderRiddell: apachelogger: any objections if I kill smoke on ARM to get kdebindings to build?23:20
NCommander(I will take another stab at fixing it, but I'm not sure I'm going to get around to it)23:21
apacheloggerNCommander: that == killing almost all bindings23:23
apacheloggerso how much worth is that anyway23:23
NCommanderapachelogger: hrm ... good point23:24
* apachelogger just debugged the weirdest of all problems23:25
apacheloggerwell, actually I only traced it23:25
apacheloggerdebugging was unsuccessfull up until now -.-23:25
JontheEchidnaubiquity won't work on ARM without a bindings rebuild23:25
JontheEchidnathanks to the sip transition23:26
JontheEchidnaIs there a more elegant way to do this? http://pastebin.ca/180746023:28
JontheEchidna(trying to fix https://bugs.kde.org/227929)23:28
RiddellNCommander: yes smoke on ARM can be disabled for now, I don't see it as important enough to spend much time on.  ruby and c# will need to be disabled too23:53
NCommanderJontheEchidna: on Kubuntu or in general?23:53
JontheEchidnaNCommander: On Kubuntu (the ubiquity thing)23:54
JontheEchidnabug 52204523:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522045 in ubiquity "sip import error under oem-config-kde " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52204523:55
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: incompatibility with new konundrum? bug 52667323:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526673 in kubuntu-firefox-installer "kubuntu-firefox-installer crashes on launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52667323:56
NCommanderRiddell: can you take care of doing that? (I can get to it later, but I'm not that familiar with bindings packaging to successfully remove it)23:59
NCommanderJontheEchidna: ugh :-/23:59

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