[00:01] <BUGabundo> gonna hit the bed
[00:01] <Nitsuga> Since last update Ubutnu is always trying to use KMS. So I can't use the nvidia module. KMS is fine, i can switch consoles without flashing and use a high-res tty, and so on, but I want OpenGL acceleration! How to diable it?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> hopping tomorrow trashsh this GTK bug:(
[00:02] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Which one?
[00:03] <RAOF> Nitsuga: Simply enabling the nvidia driver using Hardware Drivers doesn't disable novueau (the driver that supports KMS)?
[00:03] <Nitsuga> RAOF, what??
[00:04] <Nitsuga> i am was using the nvidia-current package because that "alternatives" thnig isn't working for me
[00:04] <RAOF> Nitsuga: If you enable the nvidia driver via System->Administration->Hardware Drivers, it should automatically blacklist nouveau, and prevent it from interfering with the nvidia binary blob.
[00:04] <Nitsuga> let's see if now it's working..
[00:10] <Nitsuga> RAOF, I think I have a problem
[00:10] <Nitsuga> RAOF, jockey is only showing me "nVidia Riva/TNT/GeForce" and it's "activated"
[00:11] <BUGabundo> that's nouveua
[00:11] <Nitsuga> it "deactivates" instantly and after a reboot it is still there
[00:11] <ZykoticK9> Nvidia Drivers what's the story - Hardware Drivers have 2 green dots beside "Nvidia accelerated graphics driver ... Recommended" & "nVidia Riva/TNT/GeFore" - but when highlighted both report "This driver is activated but not currently in use".  lspci -vnvn, show "kernel driver in use: nvidia".  My 3D/graphics are working fine - but why is Jockey reporting not in use?
[00:23] <Takyoji> I have a persisting issue that I noticed in yesterday's daily build and also today's
[00:23] <penguin42> what's that?
[00:23] <Takyoji> with the partition part of installing 10.04
[00:24] <penguin42> ah I haven't tried reinstalling - what do you see out of interest?
[00:24] <Takyoji> I choose how I want the partitions setup, click Forward, and then get an error of "The username you entered is invalid. Note that usernames must start with a lower-case (...)"
[00:25] <Takyoji> Though I haven't even gotten to the screen of entering a username or anything
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> Takyoji, someone yesterday was having that same issue
[00:25] <Some_Person> Can someone please link me to a screenshot of lucid's default theme?
[00:25] <Takyoji> Sure it wasn't myself, or?
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, currently it looks the same as karmic
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, well "almost" the same anyways
[00:26] <Some_Person> I heard that it won't be Human though
[00:26] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, i've heard that too - haven't seen it yet though
[00:27] <Takyoji> otherwise shall I report this issue?
[00:27] <Takyoji> if so, with what information?
[00:27] <ZykoticK9> Takyoji, it might have been you -- if you where in the channel talking about this yesterday as well.
[00:27] <penguin42> Takyoji: If it's an installer issue I think you report it against the ubiquity package
[00:27] <Takyoji> alright
[00:29] <Takyoji> but anyway, what information would be necessary for me to tag on, and how would I be able to retrieve some?
[00:29] <Takyoji> (such as, wouldn't I be able to get a memory dump or something?)
[00:31] <penguin42> if you just give the error message you got, everything you did, what language you are using etc that should be OK
[00:32] <penguin42> please give the exact error
[00:32] <Nitsuga> mmm now I can install nvidia-current, but I am still lacking OpenGL support
[00:33] <Takyoji> Yea, I shall. I think I may even provide a screenshot (since apparently I've noticed I can)
[00:33] <penguin42> yes that would be good
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Nitsuga: shouldn't be lacking. You will get the message that it is not active, but everything should be working
[00:36] <charlie-tca> .
[00:37] <Nitsuga> charlie-tca, when I install the nvidia-current package I loos all types of OpenGL support
[00:37] <Nitsuga> without it OpenGL works, but very slowly
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Strange. I didn't lose any
[00:37] <Nitsuga> brb
[00:44] <xxploit> question, is it still possible to remove menu icons. atm it seems i can only remove the icons from the system menu only
[00:51] <RAOF> Nitsuga: I've just checked: selecting “NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current)” in Hardware Drivers & rebooting results in a working nvidia blob + compiz & all the trappings.
[00:58] <Nitsuga> RAOF, and installing nvidia-current doesnt?
[00:59] <RAOF> I didn't try that; Hardware Drivers does at least one extra thing (writing a proper xorg.conf), so I'm not sure that simply installing nvidia-current would be *expected* to work.
[01:00] <Nitsuga> RAOF, the only thing that I miss is OpenGL suppor
[01:00] <Nitsuga> either accelerated or software rendering
[01:01] <RAOF> Nitsuga: Are you actually running the nvidia drivers, though?
[01:01] <Nitsuga> yes, i am
[01:01] <RAOF> And you're certain of this, because... (please insert evidence)
[01:01] <Nitsuga> RAOF, lspci -vnvn outputs 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[01:01] <RAOF> Nitsuga: And what driver is *X* using?  Pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log, please.
[01:02] <Nitsuga> RAOF, extract: (II) Feb 22 21:29:14 NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ (G92) at PCI:1:0:0
[01:03] <Nitsuga> (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[01:03] <Nitsuga> 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[01:03] <Nitsuga> 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[01:03] <Nitsuga> I ran nvidia-xconfig
[01:03] <Nitsuga> RAOF, now I'll try to  remove nvidia.current and install it from Hardware Drivers
[01:04] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the full Xorg.0.log please?  It might help diagnose your problem.
[01:04] <Nitsuga> ok
[01:04] <Nitsuga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/381746
[01:04] <Nitsuga> RAOF, ^
[01:05] <Nitsuga> ouch
[01:05] <Nitsuga> wrong pastebin :P
[01:05] <RAOF> I don't think that's the pastebin you were meaning :)
[01:05] <Nitsuga> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/381947/
[01:06] <Nitsuga> RAOF, jockey finished installing the driver, I'll restart and chrack if it is working
[01:06] <Nitsuga> check
[01:06] <RAOF> Cool.
[01:08] <ZykoticK9> TwinView Quake 3 issue -- Points version plays on one monitor properly, ioQuake3 plays in middle of both monitors (both set to 1280x1024) --- I have an Xorg with metamodes including NULL values in hopes of auto-disabling one monitor.  Any suggestions?
[01:08] <ck773> I have a package stuck in my Update Manager, it's "Tomboy", and I can't remove it. The update manager looks to be in a distribution update mode and I can't check or uncheck Tomboy as it is greyed out.
[01:09] <Nitsuga> no luck
[01:09] <rr72> is there a known issue with locking in lucid?
[01:09] <rr72> *session locking: ctrl -alt- delete
[01:11] <Nitsuga> RAOF, I think I messed things up when I installed the NVIDIA's .run when the nvidia package was conflicting with Xorg
[01:12] <ck773> what does it mean when synaptic package manager has a grey exclamation mark on my Tomboy package?
[01:13] <charlie-tca> ck773: that usually means it doesn't have all the dependencies ready yet
[01:13] <charlie-tca> It might update tomorrow or so
[01:13] <Nitsuga> ck773, thre is an update available
[01:13] <Nitsuga> charlie-tca, now Synaptic has new icons
[01:13] <ck773> okay so i marked it for upgrade and we'll see what happens
[01:13] <charlie-tca> well, crap
[01:13] <Nitsuga> the exclamation mark mans "update available"
[01:14]  * charlie-tca has to go looking again, huh?
[01:14] <charlie-tca> Thank you, Nitsuga
[01:14] <Nitsuga> no prob
[01:15] <ck773> now it's green, i'll check my update manager now, hopefully my problem is solved
[01:16] <ck773> fixed.
[01:24] <coz_> anyone have issues enabling fastwrites and SBA on lucid?
[01:30] <Takyoji> Finally reported the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/526157
[01:46] <Steil> hey is anyone here running UNR?
[02:00] <ZykoticK9> any Dual Monitor / Nvidia users want to try "Separate X screen" and see if it causes nautilus to crash-n-burn like it does on my system?
[02:07] <bcurtiswx> i don't see sun-java6-plugin.. whats taking over for java in Lucid?
[02:10] <ZykoticK9> bcurtiswx, openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-6-jdk -- icedtea6-plugin for browser plugin
[02:10] <NateW> what would the issue be if when booting using todays build of the live cd, my monitor went into sleep mode? (21" Sony CRT, nVidia GeForce 250 GTS 1GB)
[02:10] <NateW> would that be a unusable resolution or an issue with the nouveau drivers?
[02:10] <bcurtiswx> i have to have openjdk-6-jre and icedtea at the same time?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> no
[02:11] <gnomefreak> install openjdk-jre or what not
[02:11] <bcurtiswx> k ty
[02:11] <ZykoticK9> bcurtiswx, if you're looking for a browser plugin just install icedtea and let it worry about dependencies
[02:11] <bcurtiswx> k
[02:13] <gnomefreak> icedtea6-plugin should bring in what you need or install openjdk-6-jre
[02:13] <Steil> is anyone having trouble connecting to AIM with empathy?
[02:14] <bcurtiswx> Steil, yes
[02:14] <coz_> hey guys. apparenlty  /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc is ignored in lucid as far as I can tell...so  what would be the approach to enable fastwrites and sba on lucid?
[02:14] <bcurtiswx> bug #526146
[02:16] <Steil> What about issues with the power manager and audio setting panel applets?
[02:39] <DanaG> methinks that bug report is having an identity crisis.
[02:39] <DanaG> I tried icedtea.... just made the browser segfault all the time.
[02:41] <bcurtiswx> yeah ideatea crashes my browser.. always has..
[02:41] <bcurtiswx> icedtea*
[02:43]  * Takyoji has also been having issues connecting to AIM through Empathy as well (I've marked that it affects me)
[02:43] <DanaG> "identity crisis"
[02:43] <DanaG> bug says pidgin and empathy at the same time.
[02:43] <DanaG> bug in pidgin: empathy won't connect.
[02:43] <DanaG> =þ
[02:46] <Takyoji> Would that be associated with the telepathy-haze package as well, or?
[02:47] <ZykoticK9> WOW - TwinView on Lucid is working better for games then I thought possible!  Just using the default, nvidia generated xorg.conf and it's magically switching off one monitor -- AMAZING
[02:51] <bjsnider> all nvidia driver issues have basically been solved at this point in lucid
[02:52] <bjsnider> so i'm not sure what the background is for all of these complaints, because all day in this channel is just relentless nvidia complaints
[02:52] <ZykoticK9> Well I'm LOVING nvidia right now -- no complaints from me :)
[02:53] <bjsnider> i think most of these issues are just pebkac issues
[02:53] <bjsnider> you cannot use the nvidia installer anymore or you will severely bork your system
[02:54] <bjsnider> the nvidia-installer is not compatible with lucid's xorg/mesa system anymore
[02:54] <bjsnider> if you somehow succeed in using it you will probably have to do a wipe/reload afterwards
[02:59] <arand> Holy feces, now the speedboot kicked in all of a sudden, and how!
[03:16] <Nitsuga> ok, i've tried everything
[03:16] <Nitsuga> the nvidia-current package just doesn't work for me
[03:18] <bjsnider> i wouldn't expect it to after someone's used the nvidia-installer
[03:19] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, why?
[03:19] <Nitsuga> what does it break?
[03:20] <bjsnider> the nvidia-installer is no loner compatible with the xorg/mesa system in lucid
[03:20] <RAOF> Nitsuga: So, what I'd suggest you do is to reinstall all the packages that the nvidia installer would have touched, like so: “sudo aptitude reinstall ~nxorg ~nmesa ~nlibg1 ~nnvidia”
[03:20] <bjsnider> it will in fact severely bork your system if you install it
[03:20] <RAOF> That'll reinstall everything with xorg, mesa, libgl1 or nvidia in the package name.
[03:21] <Nitsuga> i tried with mesa and libgl, but not with xorg
[03:21] <Nitsuga> let's see if i'm lucky
[03:21] <bjsnider> unfortunately the nvidia-installer may leave shared libs and links behind when it's removed too
[03:29] <bjsnider> this will be an interesting case study, to see if it's possible to recover from using the nvidia-installer
[03:29] <Nitsuga> ok, reinstalled everything
[03:30] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, if I were the nvidia-common packager, maybe i could recover from that :P
[03:30] <bjsnider> we'll see
[03:30]  * Nitsuga rebooting
[03:32] <Nitsuga> still without GL
[03:33] <Nitsuga> ok, it's late
[03:33] <Steil> heh
[03:33] <bjsnider> i guess it's probably impossible
[03:33] <Nitsuga> I'll go to bed and reinstall lucid tomorrow, if I can't find a solution
[03:33] <Steil> anyone running UNR?
[03:33] <RAOF> Yeah?
[03:34] <Steil> you having any issues with the power applet?
[03:34] <RAOF> No.
[03:35] <RAOF> But I presume you are?
[03:35] <Steil> yeah, missing icons and not reporting time remaining
[03:35] <bjsnider> i wonder if he has jockey installed
[03:35] <bjsnider> Nitsuga, do you have jockey installed?
[03:36] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, yes
[03:36] <bjsnider> and you activate the driver through the hardware drivers app?
[03:36] <Nitsuga> yes
[03:37] <bjsnider> well, that's the end of that
[03:38] <Nitsuga> i think i found something
[03:38] <bjsnider> which nvidia driver did you install?
[03:38] <Nitsuga> a file in /usr/lib/xorg is referencing to a libgl.so that doesn't exist
[03:38] <Nitsuga> i'll try to reference it to the one that DOES exists
[03:39] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, the 190 -installer and the 190 -current
[03:39] <Nitsuga> and then upgraded to the 195 -current
[03:39] <bjsnider> try ls /usr/lib/*190.53
[03:40] <Nitsuga> nothing
[03:40] <Nitsuga> but locate 190.53 does output a list of things
[03:41] <bjsnider> pastebin
[03:41] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, http://paste.ubuntu.com/382004/
[03:42] <bjsnider> look at that
[03:43] <bjsnider> there are also symlinks to a lot of those shared libs
[03:43] <Nitsuga> I really have to go to bed.
[03:44] <Nitsuga> And it doesn't matter, I n fact was expecting to have to reinstall lucid
[03:44] <bjsnider> ok
[03:44] <Nitsuga> when I installed tthe first alpha
[03:44] <bjsnider> interesting test case though
[03:44] <Nitsuga> goodbye, thank you for your time and help ;)
[03:53] <Sensiva> Hello I am running lucid in a vbox, should I report bugs if any, or lucid isn't ready yet for vbox appliance installation?
[04:04] <ZykoticK9> Sensiva, what issue are you having?
[04:05] <Sensiva> Xorg crashes right after boot, then when I click the icon to report, it says that there is no enough memory to report
[04:05] <Sensiva> That vbox is 1024MB Ram
[04:06] <ZykoticK9> Sensiva, are you using Vbox from Ubuntu repo, or direct from Oracle?
[04:07] <Sensiva> Direct from Oracle
[04:07] <ZykoticK9> I have Lucid running in Oracle's VBox with 1436MB memory
[04:07] <ZykoticK9> 3.1.4?
[04:07] <Sensiva> yes
[04:08] <ZykoticK9> strange.  are you using a daily build?
[04:09] <Sensiva> nope, I installed alpha1 and keeping it updated
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> Sensiva, well you could try increasing the memory and see if that allows you to report the issue.  I'm not really sure what the policy on running in VMs is regarding bugs, certainly make a note of it if you report
[04:10] <Sensiva> increase the memory more than 1024MB?
[04:10] <Sensiva> :o
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> wait one second, i'll try decreasing mine and see what happens
[04:13] <ZykoticK9> although GDM restarted the 1st time I logged in, the 2nd attempt was successful.  You might want to try removing plymouth and see if that resolves it BTW
[04:13] <ZykoticK9> if you file a bug, they'll probably ask you to remove plymouth for testing anyway
[04:14] <Sensiva> remove not reinstall right?
[04:14] <ZykoticK9> not reinstall now -- remove plymouth and see if booting works < seems to be a COMMON troubleshooting step right now with Lucid
[04:15] <Sensiva> Okay , thanks ZykoticK9
[04:16] <ZykoticK9> Sensiva, good luck :)
[04:27] <ripps> hmm... irqbalance is an interesting package, too bad I only have a single core processor.
[04:46] <voidmage> hmm
[04:46] <voidmage> had a hard lock even after purging plymouth
[04:47] <git__> what's the significant of removing hal from Lucid Lynx?
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> git__, fast bootup/shutdown
[04:48] <git__> i have resume/suspend problem with my current 9.10
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> git__, if you notice the channel topic "(non-Free) nvidia users: avoid suspend/hibernate"
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> git__, you barely need suspend/resume with how fast it boots!
[04:49] <git__> i have a laptop
[04:49] <ZykoticK9> git__, i was amazed with the difference with boot speed between 9.04 to 9.10 and Lucid is even faster
[04:50] <git__> i thought maybe lucid lynx would solve my 9.10 resume/suspend
[04:50] <ZykoticK9> not quite to 10 seconds yet
[04:50] <git__> i like to resume my session :)
[04:50] <ZykoticK9> git__, if you don't have nvidia, perhaps it will (or perhaps it will be fixed prior to release)
[04:51] <git__> i don't have nvidia, i have ati graphic card
[04:51] <git__> resume/suspend reportedly has issue on that too?
[04:51] <ZykoticK9> git__, well then - perhaps lucid will solve your issue (perhaps it will not mind you)
[04:52] <git__> let me download alpha3 :)
[04:52] <git__> and see
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> 3 days :)
[04:52] <git__> how to enable resume download ?
[04:52] <git__> in 3 days ... there'll be a new rev?
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> that's when alpha3 comes out yes
[04:54] <ZykoticK9> git__, although i have had very good luck with Lucid I wouldn't recommend using it as your main machine quite yet - many issues are still popping up... dual boot perhaps?
[04:55] <git__> ZykoticK9, i'll resize my ext4 partition to make 20GB free for lucid
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> there you go :)
[04:56] <git__> can one resume download from the iso link for lucid ?
[04:57] <ZykoticK9> if you are using a torrent then yes - but you should probably wait until Alpha 3 is release (seeing as it's SO close)
[04:58] <git__> i have time tomorrow :)
[04:58] <ZykoticK9> git__, then download the daily
[04:58] <git__> i don't mind upgrading to a new rev within 2 days
[04:58] <git__> there's a daily?
[04:59] <git__> where to get the daily?
[04:59] <ZykoticK9> git__, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:00] <ZykoticK9> there are LOTS of updates going on in Lucid right now, i'd say a couple hundred megs a week for sure, just as an FYI
[05:00] <DanaG>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgl1-mesa-dri.postinst: 12: Syntax error: "esac" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[05:01] <git__> thanks ZykoticK9 for the daily
[05:01] <Sensiva> ZykoticK9 Do you know when lucid theme will be out?
[05:01] <ZykoticK9> git__, hope you enjoy :)
[05:01] <DanaG> adding fi made it happy.
[05:01] <ZykoticK9> Sensiva, no idea -- i hear that usually comes pretty late
[05:03] <Sensiva> I wonder how its gonna look like, since hardy the theme is getting darker and darker, in Karmic its totally dark brown, darker than this gonna be black
[05:04] <git__> do u have screenshot of Lucid Lynx ZykoticK9 ?
[05:04] <Damascene> hi,
[05:04] <Sensiva> git__ It is the same as Karmic for now
[05:04] <git__> ah
[05:05] <git__> what is uptrack?
[05:05] <Damascene> does mines game take too much CPU time?
[05:05] <Sensiva> no idea git__
[05:05] <git__> did the random freeze of ext4 fix?
[05:06] <git__> i heard something like uptrack replacing sysV
[05:06] <Sensiva> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes
[05:06] <git__> is uptrack referring to KSplice tech?
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> upstart not uptrack
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> upstart is in karmic too
[05:08] <Sensiva> according to Wikipedia yes
[05:09] <ZykoticK9> oh my bad
[05:11] <git__> upstart?
[05:11] <ZykoticK9> upstart is what replaces sysv
[05:11] <git__> ah
[05:13] <git__> can i do init 3 with upstart?
[05:13] <ZykoticK9> git__, ubuntu doesn't use runlevels like that (upstart or no upstart)
[05:14] <git__> there were times i had to go into init 3 to solve prob
[05:14] <git__> bc GUI was non-responsive
[05:14] <ZykoticK9> !runlevels
[05:20] <git__> how does one order which service starts first?
[05:22] <RAOF> By dependencies.
[05:23] <Sensiva> bum?
[05:23] <RAOF> In fact, you don't generally go “start all these scripts”; instead, you have a bunch of scripts with things like “start when the root filesystem is available”, or “start when networking is available”
[05:25] <JanC2> or start when this service is running (if you want some service to be running before starting another one)
[05:27] <git__> is there grouping of service startup?
[05:28] <RAOF> What do you mean by “grouping”?  Services are started when their startup requirements are met.
[05:28] <git__> u see, in sysV, grouping helps one to know if one is in single user mode or multi-user mode or in graphical user mode
[05:29] <git__> or in kernel rescue mode
[05:29] <git__> init 3 is multi-user console only, init 5 is graphical user mode, init 1 is rescue kernel mode, init 2 is single user mode
[05:29] <git__> init 6 is system reboot, init 0 is system halt
[05:30] <RAOF> Except that Ubuntu didn't make the distinction between anything but 0,1 & 6 even before upstart.
[05:30] <git__> u will have friction from the redhat camp
[05:31] <git__> i suppose you can build sysv into upstart
[05:33] <RAOF> Indeed.  It's quite easy to build those runlevels from upstart scripts; that's what Ubuntu does, and given Fedora is using upstart too, I'd guess they do similar.
[05:33] <JanC2> git__: you can have much more variations with upstart than with sysvinit
[05:33] <git__> i prefer to have baby steps to upstart
[05:34] <git__> i remembered the days when X was giving me trouble, i had to go in init 3
[05:34] <git__> and there were times when a DoS was hitting my system, i had to go into init 1
[05:35] <JanC2> that sounds like you just want to stop gdm and/or X
[05:35] <git__> literally shuts down all connectivity services
[05:35] <JanC2> then you shut down connectivity services  ;)
[05:35] <git__> in a single command ... init 1 :)
[05:36] <git__> instead of a bunch of commands to do the same thing
[05:37] <git__> sysV grouping made sense
[05:37] <JanC2> git__: in upstart, when configured properly, that and much more should be possible with 1 command too
[05:38] <git__> is upstart for server too?
[05:38] <JanC2> of course
[05:38] <DanaG1> argh, indicator-sound REALLY needs to have one volume control per device.
[05:38] <git__> can i install upstart on 9.10 desktop ver?
[05:39] <JanC2> upstart has been installed on all Ubuntu-versions since 3 or 4 years...
[05:40] <git__> hrmm
[05:40] <git__> so i've been using upstart all along? :)
[05:40] <JanC2> git__: really, upstart can do much more than sysvinit, including emulate it ;-)
[05:44] <JanC2> the recent upstart version (with up-to-date features like will go in lucid) is only in 9.10 though
[05:50] <JanC2> git__: basically, how upstart works is that init config files for services tell upstart on what events (status changes) they want to start and/or stop, so there is really no difference between "mysql is shutting down" or "the sysvinit emulation says the user wants to go to runlevel 3" events
[05:55] <git__> initctl list
[05:55] <git__> upstart is process driven?
[06:00] <Damascene> does mines game take too much CPU time?
[06:19] <git__> omg
[06:19] <git__> there's a reason why ubuntu boots fast, it starts X server before any other services
[06:21] <jpds> git__: No, not really.
[06:22] <virtuald> it's mostly upstart that's made of awesome
[06:25] <vish> how do i start a gdb for a gnome-keyring daemon? as it starts from the startup app in the session?
[06:25] <vish> or do i just start it later ?
[06:25]  * vish needs it for a lucid crash
[06:26] <RAOF> You can attach gdb to a running app; just run gdb gnome-keyring-daemon as usual, but instead of using “run” at the gdb prompt, use “attach $PID” where $PID is the pid of the running gnome-keyring-daemon.
[06:27] <vish> ooh , neat trick.. you should add it to the wiki
[06:28] <vish> hehe , just found the wiki  , it is already there :)
[06:29] <vish> RAOF: thanks :)
[06:30] <DanaG1> or gdb -p `pidof gnome-keyring-daemon`
[06:32] <Sensiva> Is anyone here assigned to apt bugs?
[07:10] <vish> argh... :/
[07:11] <vish> if i try to ctrl+c  the gdb doesnt quit and return me to (gdb)
[07:11] <vish> it just stays as ^C  and if i hit enter , the gnome-keyring starts again
[07:13] <vish> how do i retrieve the backtrace now?
[07:27] <alkisg> I installed Lucid a while ago, and the -pae kernel was automatically selected for me. On some updates the non-pae kernel was pulled in, so I now have both of them installed. The problem is that I can't uninstall the non-pae kernel, without removing xorg:
[07:27] <alkisg> sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 apt-get purge linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic
[07:27] <alkisg> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:27] <alkisg>   linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic* linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic* linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic* xserver-xorg-video-all*  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau*
[07:28] <alkisg> Is that problem caused by the nouveau driver?
[07:44] <kklimonda> alkisg: fix has been uploaded and now is probably building or awaiting publication
[07:45] <alkisg> kklimonda: thank you
[07:45] <kklimonda> alkisg: and it was a missing dependency in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[07:49] <Damascene> did the problem with keyring got fixed?
[07:49] <vish> nope :(
[07:49]  * vish still doesnt know how to retrieve the backtrace :s ^
[07:50] <Damascene> how to get the version of the gnome-keyring ?
[07:50] <Damascene> there is no man page
[07:50] <vish> hmm?
[07:51] <vish> Damascene: are you $ apt-cache policy gnome-keyring ?
[07:51] <vish> looking for that ^
[07:52] <Damascene> yes thanks. I think now I can just look if the version changed or not
[08:13] <voidmage> hm
[08:14] <voidmage> so i'm still hard locking even after purging plymouth
[08:14] <voidmage> which leads me to suspect the 195 drivers like I originally thought
[08:14] <voidmage> too bad the 190 drivers aren't packaged in lucid :|
[08:14] <voidmage> (since those didn't cause hard locks)
[08:21] <zniavre> voidmage, can't you use the nvidia.run ?
[08:22] <voidmage> I've been hesitant to install them from nvidia's site because of the changes to the alternatives system
[08:23] <zniavre> i did it since nvidia-settings was bugged  (for legacy 173.14.xx driver)
[08:24] <zniavre> it works as a charm
[08:24] <voidmage> huh, that's news to me
[08:25] <zniavre> i think you can find good how-to in your language to install nvidia.run easily (at least to try if it works better than repos driver)
[08:43] <bullgard> What Empathy version does Lucid provide?
[08:44] <ikonia> !empathy
[08:44] <ikonia> !info empathy
[08:45] <BUGabundo_remote> there you go
[08:45] <BUGabundo_remote> morning matt
[08:45] <BUGabundo_remote> bullgard: feel free to use packages.ubuntu.com
[08:46] <bullgard> ikonia: Thank you for your help.
[08:46] <bullgard> BUGabundo_remote: Please tell me what do you mean by "feel free to...".
[08:51] <BUGabundo_remote> o_O
[08:51] <BUGabundo_remote> bullgard: as in, that information is available there
[08:54] <bullgard> BUGabundo_remote: Yes. I forgot that. Thank you that you reminded me that I could have looked up this information myself there.
[08:58] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[08:58] <eagles0513875> im having some issues with a kernel panic after upgrading to karmic
[08:58] <eagles0513875> anyone else experiencing this
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> eagles0513875: "define" issues
[09:03] <eagles0513875> kernel is panicing
[09:03] <Kano> hi, why does toram do nothing?
[09:03] <eagles0513875> i just did an upgrade from karmic to lucid on a virtual box vm
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> Kano: hasn't done anything for at lesat 2 years
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> if not more
[09:03] <Kano> why does nobody fix it
[09:04] <Kano> also in the current live it crashes when i use sudo -i
[09:04] <Kano> why that
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> Kano: I tried, no luck. feel free to provide patchs, send to LP, and contact the kernel team
[09:04] <Kano> toram is no kernel option, thats casper
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> AFAIK you are the 1t to report crashes with sudo
[09:05] <Kano> live mode
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> eagles0513875: probably the plymouth bug.
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> go to recovery console, purge it off, try again
[09:06] <eagles0513875> i cant even get to grub
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> Kano: again, please redirect your effors to LP
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> eagles0513875: if you can't get to grub, your prob is NOT the OS
[09:06] <phildini> hi. if I wanted an in-depth look at a particular part of lucid development, namely support for intel core i* processors and graphics, where could I look and possibly contribute?
[09:06] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo_remote: the kernle panic is saying cant mount root fs on unknown ws-block(0,0)
[09:08] <BUGabundo_remote> phildini: #ubutnnu-kernel, #Ubuntu-x, #Ubuntu-motu, #Ubuntu-devel
[09:08] <phildini> thanks.
[09:21] <alex88> hi guys... someone have sound problems on ubuntu 10.04? i've sound working on all apps other than rhytmbox...
[09:22] <kklimonda> alex88: have you checked if rhythmbox volume isn't set too low?
[09:22] <kklimonda> both in program and the sound preferences
[09:24] <alex88> kklimonda: yep.. when i was on 32bit that was the problem
[09:24] <alex88> but now in 64 i've both set to max
[09:24] <alex88> and it's the same thing
[09:25] <kklimonda> it works for me (which doesn't really help you but I have no other ideas)
[09:25] <alex88> np...=) also on terminal i have no messages
[09:26] <alex88> i think i'll install amarok
[09:27] <eagles0513875> strange the kernel panic was do to just resetting vbox i shut it down and started it up again and its working just fine
[09:28] <alex88> btw, this ubuntu on 64 bit it's lightning fast..=)
[09:29] <alex88> mmhh..there are some alsa etc updates... trying it after update..
[10:04] <booboo> hey guys a couple of questions...is plymouth still giving nvidia issues  and also  how to enable sba and fast writes on lucid?
[10:06] <alex88> booboo: funno... for me on nvidia plymouth still force me to reboot when i press enter key
[10:06] <alex88> *dunno
[10:06] <booboo> alex88, ok i will take that as a yes then :)
[10:12] <Kano> booboo: you still use agp?
[10:12] <booboo> Kano,  on 2 machines  yes
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> err
[10:13] <BUGabundo_remote> darn gnome keyring bug
[10:13] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone got a *good* trace?
[10:13] <booboo> plus ..when released . I have clients that will want an upgrade
[10:22] <zniavre> alex88,  there is some bugreport about this behaviour
[10:23] <zniavre> booboo,  exactly as before for fastwrite
[10:25] <booboo> zniavre, seems not to work but will try on another machine I am installing on now
[10:25] <zniavre> > in this file /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc just think to precise the good driver
[10:25] <zniavre> nvidia-96   or -173 or -glx etc...
[10:25] <booboo> ok i will try :)
[10:26] <zniavre> or nothing if you are using nvidia.run
[10:27] <zniavre> booboo, http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5397/captureta.png   don't use same option line of me > it depend your hardware
[10:28] <booboo> zniavre,  that's exactly what I have in there but it still wont enable :(  I will try on the other machine though
[10:28] <zniavre> wich driver ?
[10:28] <zniavre> you need full reboot to take in effect
[10:28] <booboo> zniavre,  190
[10:29] <booboo> zniavre,  right about the reboot but hasnt worked yet on this machine
[10:29] <zniavre> try options nvidia-190  or nvidia_190
[10:29] <booboo> ok
[10:30] <zniavre> maybe nvidia-glx   depends how its called for system
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> booboo: zniavre: the driver package name is nvidia-current
[10:38] <zniavre> BUGabundo_remote,  was bugged for me i installed the .run
[10:38] <zniavre> nvidia-settings did not detect screen resolution
[10:39] <zniavre> i reported a bug but nobody answer
[10:41] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/523108
[10:42] <zniavre> i did what alberto milone ask but it did not help
[10:42] <zniavre> so i tried .run i works fine
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> running nvidia site driver is such a bad option
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> it will give you very little support from ubuntu ppl
[10:45] <zniavre> but it works
[10:45] <zniavre> at least
[10:45] <zniavre> :o)
[10:45] <zniavre> the time to update nvidia 173.14.xx
[10:46] <zniavre> i agree with you anyway do not think im against ubuntu ppl
[10:46] <booboo> hey guys what do I do here? http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_7.png
[10:47] <booboo> I ask because I have tried severl things already and none worked
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> booboo: just CHOOSE ONE
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> either SDA OR sdb
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> don't do bonh
[10:48] <booboo> BUGabundo_remote,  well that's the problem... I have done that one or the other already   ...both failed
[10:51] <booboo> sdb is the ubuntu install and sda is the windows install
[10:51] <booboo> either one chosen and it fails during boot...
[10:53] <booboo> these are scsi drivers  and in bios  HD0 = sda in boot device priority
[10:53] <booboo> however it will not boot
[10:53] <booboo> drives not drivers
[10:54] <booboo> and in scsi bios   the windows drive is the primary disk
[10:55] <booboo> windows drive = sda/HD0
[11:18] <tgpraveen12> can someone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/525735
[11:52] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone experiencing chromium showing the gtk top bars? even when disabled?
[11:56] <tgpraveen12> BUGabundo_remote: i am
[12:00] <BUGabundo_remote> is it known? ie is on LP or ch BTS?
[12:08] <tgpraveen12> can someone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/525735
[12:08] <tgpraveen12> BUGabundo_remote: ^^?
[12:54] <mostafakvd> how to find a word in files?
[12:54] <coz_> hey guys.. I know this is not "approved"   however ..how do I unlock the root account?
[12:55] <coz_> I have already done passwd root
[12:55] <coz_> however login screen will not allow root access
[12:58] <JoshuaL> coz_, what do you want to accomplish with being root you can't do with sudo coz_ ?
[12:59] <coz_> JoshuaL,  understood but on rare occasions I need root account
[12:59] <coz_> JoshuaL,  I just need to create or unlock the root account
[13:01] <JoshuaL> coz_, http://naturefactory.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/unlock-the-root-account-in-ubuntu-9-10/ altough there is really no need to use a root account when you have sudo and gksudo
[13:01] <coz_> JoshuaL,  i tried that but it doesnt work but let me go there to be sure it is the same reference
[13:02] <coz_> JoshuaL,  yeah that doesnt work
[13:06] <BUGabundo_remote> tgpraveen12: can't confirm. dotn use
[13:19] <jpds> !noroot | JoshuaL
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[13:20] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: he was only trying to help
[13:20] <BUGabundo_remote> plus coz is a regular
[13:21] <JanC2> not so regular apparently, or he/she would know all this ;)
[13:22] <SwedeMike> what password is used in rescue mode? Earlier I was unable to log into rescue mode without root password set
[13:24] <jester_> hi all, i have a weee bit of a problem. I just upgraded to lucid and formatted all my partitions, except /home. after the install, I say that my home directory was empty except for .Private - I also see a symlink for .ecryptfs -> /var/lib/ecryptfs/jester which is now gone after the upgrade. Is there  way for me to get my data back?
[13:28] <JanC2> SwedeMike: none
[13:28] <kklimonda> jester_: not really
[13:29] <kklimonda> jester_: data is in the encrypted form on the deleted partition - it sounds like a mission impossible to me.
[13:29] <jester_> kklimonda: :(
[13:30] <JanC2> eh, storing encrypted /home on /var sounds weird to me?
[13:32] <kklimonda> it does - on lucid encrypted home directory is stored in /home/.ecryptfs
[13:32] <kklimonda> but maybe it was in /var on karmic
[13:32] <kklimonda> jester_: check if maybe you have a /home/.ecryptfs
[13:32] <kklimonda> jester_: or something similar
[13:32] <jester_> kklimonda: yeah, it was from karmic - there is no /home/.ecryptfs
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: applied for membership?
[13:33]  * vish  just got approved ;)
[13:33] <kklimonda> nice
[13:33] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: yeah :)
[13:33] <jester_> kklimonda: i guess they moved it from /var/lib/ecryptfs to /home
[13:33] <kklimonda> jester_: it sounds weird though
[13:33] <kklimonda>  /var is not a place for users' files
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> congrats vish
[13:34] <vish> thanks :)
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> I was just going throuth the email flood
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> and saw it there
[13:34] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: email? where ?
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> heh
[13:34]  * BUGabundo_remote has its secretes
[13:34] <vish> ;p
[13:34] <jester_> kklimonda: /home and /var were on serperate LVM partitions. When I did the upgrade, I formated all my partitions (var opt root usr tmp) except home - because home is all my data
[13:34] <jester_> kklimonda
[13:35] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: ubuntu has too many ML and irc , sometimes i just get lost ;)
[13:35] <jester_> kklimonda: but i see that the symlink for ecryptfs points to /var
[13:35] <kklimonda> jester_: exactly why I'm surprised that you have a symlink to /var/lib/ecryptfs/
[13:35] <SwedeMike> JanC2: so I just press <enter> when asked for the password or ctrl-d prompt?
[13:35] <kklimonda> it doesn' make any sense to me - but I haven't used home directory encryption yet
[13:35] <jester_> kklimonda: i did some googling and found a lot of ppl in the same boat - it must have been an karmic thing
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: add wikis help, lp pages
[13:36] <vish> heh, that is even worse :s
[13:36] <jester_> kklimonda: thanks for the help thought
[13:36] <kklimonda> heh, I should probably request per package upload rights for transmission
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> cool kklimonda
[13:36] <kklimonda> but I'm too lazy to finish my wiki page ;)
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> go mess with our system, will you ?
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahahah
[13:37] <kklimonda> you are using vuze anyway you traitor :P
[13:37] <vish> kklimonda: transmission if in the startup items , it sometimes misses the indicator-application and uses the notification area
[13:37] <kklimonda> vish: hmm..
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: I don't even use BT clients
[13:37] <vish> but this happens sometimes..
[13:37] <kklimonda> vish: report it
[13:38] <vish> kklimonda: i havent been able to reproduce it consistently :(  , worse i'm having second thoughts about transmission , it doesnt control speeds effectively
[13:39] <kklimonda> vish: the problem with falling back to notification area may not be limited to transmission - all applications that use application-indicator should have the same problem
[13:39] <JanC2> SwedeMike: in rescue mode, there should be no password prompt, unless you did weird things to your system
[13:39] <vish> i set the speed limits and i notice it using more bandwidth
[13:39] <tgpraveen12> congrats vish
[13:39] <vish> ty :)
[13:39] <JanC2> SwedeMike: or unless you do block device encrytion of course
[13:40] <vish> kklimonda: i guess  , but transmission is very fast in starting up or it misses the i-a more
[13:40] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: transmission cant queue torrents right? like 3 are active rest are queued or something
[13:40] <kklimonda> vish: so we should.. slow it down? ;}
[13:40] <tgpraveen12> that seems so fundamental and is my only gripe and why i prefer deluge for torrent
[13:40] <vish> kklimonda: well , yeah. ;p   i cant browse if transmission is running :(
[13:41] <vish> it is a problem with torrents with good seeds
[13:41] <kklimonda> vish: slow it down so it starts up later ;)
[13:41] <kklimonda> vish: I think the speed control issue has been reported to transmission trac but I can't find it right now..
[13:41] <SwedeMike> JanC2: I'll check next time, it might be that I've just looked at the ctrl-d prompt and taken for granted this wasn't changed the past 10 years, because all the time I've seen that before it's asked for the root pw to drop to shell
[13:41] <vish> kklimonda: thats my workaround for now , i'v added sleep for the startup items
[13:42] <kklimonda> vish: you can always open a bug in LP and I or charles are going to link it to the upstream ticket..
[13:42] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: no - it doesn't have this feature
[13:42]  * vish shudders at the sound of trac :s
[13:42] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: I'm not even sure if it's something that haven't been implemented on purpose or because no one requested it.
[13:43] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: any specific reason? it seems nobody has a bug for this in transmission tracker
[13:43] <vish> kklimonda: another most basic feature i miss is queuing of torrents.
[13:43] <tgpraveen12> i think it is on purpose.maybe simplicity thru featureless
[13:43] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/671
[13:43] <tgpraveen12> vish: exactly what i am asking about
[13:43]  * vish reports transmission speed bug
[13:44] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: but it's not going to land in Lucid for sure - too late for such a change in my opinion
[13:44] <vish> ppa \o/
[13:44] <vish> ;p
[13:44] <kklimonda> sure
[13:44] <tgpraveen12> Opened 2 years ago
[13:44] <tgpraveen12> :-(
[13:45] <kklimonda> but I see it has been discussed recently
[13:46] <vish> oh already reported > Bug #460733
[13:48] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: whats not making it in?
[13:48] <kklimonda> vish: can you comment on this bug - answer charle's questions from the 4th comment
[13:48] <vish> yup, on it
[13:48] <vish>  also found the queuing bug > Bug #460251
[13:48] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: torrent queue patch? it has been poorly written
[13:49] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: ah. noone in going to fix the patch?
[13:51] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: well - I could probably fix it if people are so interested in the feature :)
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> tgpraveen12: kklimonda: I reported that bug upstream. it was one of the fetures I missed
[13:52] <vish> kklimonda: pretty pls..  :D
[13:52] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: I'm going to talk with patch author today and see if he's still interested in fixing issues and if not I'll probably do it
[13:52] <gnomefreak> oh its adds a feature well we al ready reached FF AFAIK
[13:53] <vish> FFE \o/
[13:53] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: right - this patch and the one to handle logout gracefully won't make it into lucid :/
[13:54] <vish> it is a very basic feature , no sure why the devs didnt think of it for so long :(
[13:54] <gnomefreak> that would be right :) i thought it was just fixing something i didnt releeaze it was feature related
[13:57] <tgpraveen12> kklimonda: pretty pls.. +1
[14:05] <BUGabundo_remote> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/gedit to provide /usr/bin/gnome-text-editor (gnome-text-editor) in auto mode.
[14:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I already see ppl coming in with broken scripts :)
[14:08] <kklimonda> why?
[14:08] <BUGabundo_remote> no more gedit
[14:12] <kklimonda> vish: have you opened a report about Transmission launching too fast and showing in the notification area?
[14:13] <arand> If anyone is bored and wants to do some testing i've got a patched for-9.10 vbox, which should take care of the acpi issue currrently seen when using a lucid guest: https://launchpad.net/~arand/+archive/virtualbox
[14:13] <vish> kklimonda: not yet , will do it soon ,  i'm reading charles replies on the speed bug and trying to provide info
[14:14] <kklimonda> vish: how do you measure speed? by reading what is displayed in the Transmission window or by using some other tool?
[14:15] <kklimonda> vish: and do you limit speed by using turtle mode? does it happen all the time or only after you close and reopen transmission?
[14:15] <vish> kklimonda: the transmission window lies ;)  but from conky , the sys monitor and inability to use the web i can see the speeds are higher
[14:15] <kklimonda> right
[14:18] <vish> kklimonda: the problem is more with torrents with good seeds.  but it is a problem always :( irrespective of the mode , the closest way i can limit is setting the limit for the individual torrent , but even that is not effective
[14:18] <vish> not very effective*
[14:29] <tgpraveen12> BUGabundo_remote: gtk+2.0 (2.19.5-1ubuntu6) lucid; urgency=low
[14:29] <tgpraveen12>   * debian/patches/062_client_side_decoration.patch:
[14:29] <tgpraveen12>     - update by Cody Russell to fix an issue with applications which turn their
[14:29] <tgpraveen12>       decorations off as chromium is doing
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> tgpraveen12: so it's the same bug??
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote>   Installed: 2.19.5-1ubuntu5
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote> time to update, again
[14:35] <tgpraveen12> yup
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> hasn't build yet
[14:53] <vish> tgpraveen12: did you read my comment about the volume indicator!
[14:53] <vish> tgpraveen12: the bug has been worked around in humanity :(
[14:54] <vish> gtk..
[14:54] <vish> tgpraveen12: you are just giving the gtk devs an excuse to close the bug ;p
[14:55] <tgpraveen12> oh didnt knw
[14:55] <tgpraveen12> good work on workaropund then
[14:57] <vish> tgpraveen12: see comment 12 the one before yours
[15:10] <tgpraveen12> vish: oh i see the issue now
[15:11] <tgpraveen12> should i comment anything on the bug?
[15:11] <vish> yup
[15:18] <tgpraveen12> vish: done
[15:27] <kklimonda> vish: was vuze handling speed limits in a better way?
[15:27] <kklimonda> vish: all p2p clients are going to have this problem to some extent
[15:31] <vish> kklimonda: 100%  i never had problems with vuze ever
[15:32] <vish> in vuze if i set a limit it just stays with it , but transmission is always exceeding the limit
[15:33] <Nitsuga> vish, my transmission takes about a minute to respect the limit
[15:33] <vish> kklimonda: thats why i attached the graph , it is constantly over the limit never comes down
[15:33] <Nitsuga> but then it stays with it
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: that's a liew
[15:34] <vish> Nitsuga: not for me :(
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> I set at 10k upload, and my system goes up to 50
[15:35] <vish> Nitsuga: the limits take time in clients , i'v seen that happen in vuze and in windows with utorrent.. but transmission does not do a good job
[15:36] <vish> Nitsuga: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39613148/limits%20not%20honoured.png
[15:36] <kklimonda> vish: maybe something else is messing your graph? :/
[15:36] <vish>  ;p
[15:37] <kklimonda> vish: but transmission could do a better job for sure
[15:37] <vish> kklimonda: so conky and sys monitor are wrong but transmission works fine ? ;)
[15:37] <kklimonda> this is something charles says he's going to work on for 2.0 release
[15:37] <vish> :(
[15:38] <vish> kklimonda: so it wont be fixed for Lucid? or anytime soon
[15:39] <vish> but sadly there are only a few[2?] devs working on transmission , which is tough for them as well
[15:39] <kklimonda> vish: also transmission only counts data sent/received and not all protocol related communication "so if we send out a half-dozen encrypted handshakes per second none of that gets counted"
[15:39] <kklimonda> vish: but there is still room for improvement for sure :)
[15:39] <kklimonda> vish: actually charles is the person who does most of the low level work
[15:40] <bcurtiswx_> Ok, so i need some people using lucid to verify the following bugs for me-->open firefox and load 4 tabs... only 3 should give you the options on top (refresh, stop, home) and the 4th should be all greyed out--> then.. use Help-->Report a Problem and lemme know what error you get
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: 4 times of over head???
[15:41] <vish> kklimonda: oh , my mention of "2" was from what i recently read on their wiki.. :)
[15:41] <abhifx> i have downloaded lucid daily and was trying to run wubi.... but it keeps on trying to download from the net. plz help me
[15:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: well - if you set limits to 5/5 then the overhead for the protocol is going to be noticeable :)
[15:42] <vish> kklimonda: why does it use so much over head?
[15:42] <kklimonda> vish: I think there are at most 3 people with commit access to svn
[15:42] <ZykoticK9> is the volume control in the panel just part of indicator-applet?
[15:42] <BUGabundo_remote> abhifx: I nocited that too
[15:42] <Nitsuga> bcurtiswx, The package firefox-3.6 doesn't exists
[15:42] <kklimonda> vish: well - enryption, all dht related data, in big swarms client gets a lot "I have it!" messages too ;)
[15:43] <bcurtiswx_> Nitsuga: yeah, i believe that should just be reporting to firefox.. not -3.6
[15:43] <abhifx> BUGabundo_remote, so any solution??
[15:43] <Nitsuga> abhifx, lucid Alpha doesn't suppor wubi yet (i think)
[15:43] <vish> kklimonda: but still too much , why wasnt this a problem with other clients?  i literally cannot use the web if trasnmission is running
[15:43] <vish> irrespective of what i set my limit
[15:44] <kklimonda> vish: sure - there is still a lot of room for improvement as I've said
[15:44] <vish> ;)
[15:44] <abhifx> Nitsuga, but its included in the daily build and is supposed to be supported in alpha 3
[15:45] <kklimonda> vish: also depends on how many connections you have set up etc.
[15:45] <vish> kklimonda: the default seems 60
[15:45] <bcurtiswx_> anyone else have the firefox tab problem?
[15:46] <gnomefreak> bcurtiswx_: i cant test atm but i dont recall seeing that
[15:46]  * vish checks vuze peer settings
[15:47] <bcurtiswx_> gnomefreak: OK.  I'm just trying to see if its just me or others. or a certain subset of others (AMD64)
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: you can workaround it
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> let me find that app I used to limit upload
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> traffi shapper
[15:48] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: yeah , probably , i'm checking the peer limit settings from vuze
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> !info trickle
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> vish use that and limit upload
[15:50] <bcurtiswx__> way to go xchat.. plugin crashes :P
[15:51] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: neat :)
[15:51]  * vish tries
[15:51] <bcurtiswx_> hmm... thats odd...
[15:54] <bcurtiswx_> idk how I have another connection open
[15:54] <bcurtiswx_> but 129.174.97.34 is my current IP
[15:56] <bcurtiswx_> lol sry.. crash fest going on here..
[15:56] <bcurtiswx_> anyone verify my firefox tab issue?
[16:22] <zniavre> somebady experiencing strange behavior with awn and applet with window decoration around ?
[16:23] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/awn/+bug/525827
[16:25] <zniavre> i hope the libgtk solved this but it only works for chromium
[16:25] <kklimonda> zniavre: weird, it should fix it globally
[16:26] <zniavre> :o(
[16:27] <zniavre> i installed chromium when i saw somebody talked about it, thinking it was related but awn still bugged
[16:27] <kklimonda> but I can't find the bug right now so maybe I'm mistaken
[16:30] <zniavre> if i can help to submit debug info for awn ?
[16:32] <zniavre> by the way the enter keystroke on gdm look solved
[16:32] <kklimonda> the one when pressing enter killed X?
[16:32] <zniavre> yep
[16:32] <kklimonda> I'm not sure if it's fixed or just it's harder to reproduce it lately
[16:33] <zniavre> i can retry it now , give me 10sec :o)
[16:35] <zniavre> shame on me
[16:35] <zniavre> but it works once ...
[16:37] <zniavre> hello vish
[16:39] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: not fixed for me yet
[16:39] <BUGabundo_remote> bug I haven't install -6 yet
[16:40] <zniavre> i installed it works for chromium (you talked about this bug this morning no ? )
[16:40] <vish> zniavre: hi..
[16:40]  * vish trying to debug the gnome-keyring
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> The following packages will be upgraded:
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote>   aisleriot glchess glines gnect gnibbles gnobots2 gnome-games-common gnome-mahjongg gnome-panel-data gnome-sudoku gnomine gnotravex gnotski gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gtk2-engines-pixbuf gvfs gvfs-backends
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote>   gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse libgail-common libgail18 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgvfscommon0 libpci3 mutt pciutils quadrapassel
[16:41] <BUGabundo_remote> here we go
[16:41] <BUGabundo_remote> lets hope this fixes it
[17:05] <Machtin> hm.. i don't have a xorg.conf.. just a  xorg.conf.failsafe.
[17:06] <Machtin> might that be why i don't have a picture when i try to boot?
[17:06] <Machtin> though, i can't even switch to a tty or do anything, but ctrl+alt+del to reboot
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Machtin, which graphics card...you may need to install an updated driver ?
[17:24] <ckontros> Im getting windows that shouldnt have window borders around them. Like tilda, Chromium and GDM. Anyone know what's up?
[17:26] <ZykoticK9> ckontros, i'm not experiencing that but I believe BUGabundo_remote or zniavre might have some insights
[17:26] <Machtin> BluesKaj: nvidia 260
[17:27] <ckontros> ZykoticK9: Thanx
[17:27] <Machtin> i did something, that made it possible to boot, but after entering my luks-passphrase, i have to alt+print+k to get to a root shell, from where i can manually mount the partition from /dev/mapper
[17:27] <BUGabundo_remote> me ?
[17:27] <ZykoticK9> ckontros, i was hoping that my including there names would get there attention -- hope you find a fix, best of luck
[17:27] <BUGabundo_remote> oh the GTK bug
[17:28] <Machtin> however, after i startx, i can't set my resolution to anything higher than 1280*720. and some other things don't work (which probably is, because i can't boot properly.)
[17:30] <ckontros> BUGabundo_remote: Known issue? (metacity around GDM window and such)
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> no idea
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> don't use metacity
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> and i«m not getting what you mean
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> take a screenshot
[17:31] <ZykoticK9> ckontros, LOL - well i just install audacious music player and guess what - it's got decorations around it -- timing is everything!
[17:31] <ckontros> BUGabundo_remote: Windows that /shouldn't/ have metacity borders/controls (like GDM, tilda or Chromium) have them.
[17:31] <ZykoticK9> ckontros, chromium too -- doh!
[17:32] <ckontros> ZykoticK9: Exactly.
[17:33] <BUGabundo_remote> right, I'm getting them on Chromium
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Machtin, I think you may need this proprietary driver from nvidia : http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_177.13.html
[17:34] <kklimonda> ckontros: known issue
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, are you suggesting installing the Nvidia driver (from Nvidia) on Lucid?  I thought that was a huge "no-no"
[17:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ZykoticK9: blob working fine again
[17:34] <ckontros> kklimonda: Figured. Ok. Just wanted to be sure I'm not crazy. ;)
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo_remote, really?  wow, good to know
[17:35] <Machtin> BluesKaj: do you think that will change the booting problem? because like i said, it's stuck right between unlocking my cryptload-partition and mounting it
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, maybe a nono , Machtin if you have grub working, then it could be a graphics driver problem ...anyway , I have to do some errands and things for a few hrs
[17:39] <ZykoticK9> I have a real tough time finding bugs on LP - does anyone have any general tips for search Lucid specific bugs?  When I submit a bug I always seem to have many more suggestions for "is this the same as X" then when I search LP for pertinent bugs.
[17:40] <kklimonda> what is the status of adsl support in network-manager? do you have any good links to discussion about it?
[17:40] <kklimonda> it is the most often raised topic on our LoCo forum :/
[17:43] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: funy enough *here* no ones asks for it
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> all our ADSL have modens
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> most with ether
[17:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: the most popular adsl modem in Poland is some Sagem F@st 800
[17:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: and it only has usb :/
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> wait
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> how fast is your internet
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> cause usb won't got that fast
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> the leastwe get here is like 2 or 4mb/s
[17:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: no - I don't use it or I would actually start doing something about ;)
[17:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: I have a cable modem with ethernet <3 ;)
[17:51] <ZykoticK9> these window decorations appears on programs they shouldn't (Chromium / Audacious) should this be filed under libgtk2.0-0 or some other package?
[17:55] <BUGabundo_remote> no ideas
[17:55] <BUGabundo_remote> ask seb128
[17:56] <zniavre> ZykoticK9,  i got this kind of bug with awn > i filed a bug report into awn launchpad they are thinking it's ubuntu bug
[17:56] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/awn/+bug/525827
[17:57] <xxploit> hello, i just rebooted my system and it goes straight to running a mem test repeatedly, i thought i boot loader screen used to show while pressing esc but i get nothing. Anyway i can get grub to show so i can boot into something other than the mem test?
[17:57] <ZykoticK9> zniavre, i'm SURE it's Lucid related issue
[17:57] <zniavre> i thought it was libgtk but todays uppdate did not help (only for chromium)
[17:58] <ZykoticK9> my chromium is still messed
[17:59] <vish> zniavre: dup of bug #524869
[18:00] <zniavre> yes that s true and you can move login window as regular window
[18:00] <vish> zniavre: that bug has a list of other apps affected too , mention awn also , its not an awn bug
[18:01] <zniavre> ok
[18:03] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: do you have the newest gtk+ installed?
[18:03] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: at least chrome issue is fixed in the 2.19.5-1ubuntu6 release
[18:04] <zniavre> vish,  done
[18:05] <om26er> just read that with gtk-csd google chrome's tabs can now appear in the gtk theme we use if they implement
[18:05]  * penguin42 giggles at the mute bug bouncing around about 3 packages
[18:06] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, oh the difference 5 hours can make when your running Lucid.  Ya updating to new libgtk as we speak
[18:12] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, thanks - it's fixed for Chromium now -- still see the issue in Audacious mind you
[18:13] <om26er> penguin42, was that bug 524308 ?
[18:14] <penguin42> om26er: Yeh
[18:14] <penguin42> om26er: It seems pretty repeatable for me (in one of 3 or 4 different forms)
[18:14] <penguin42> om26er: Looks like unfortunately it seems to work for the guy trying to debug it, I just posted saying if there was any debug I could gather I'd be happy to
[18:16] <om26er> indicator-sound>libindicate>indicator-sound>libindicate>indicator-application
[18:16] <om26er> now It settled I think
[18:23]  * penguin42 doesn't quite understand the range of thing indicator is supposed to cover; I can understand comms things (mail/IM etc) all come under the type of things where you get notified or where your idleness is related - I'm not clear why the volume stuff is
[18:25] <penguin42> (Not that I have a problem with it, I just would like to understand)
[18:32] <barridus> I'm getting a login screen with the Kubuntu Lucid LiveCD...  what's the default user/pass?
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu/ no password
[18:33] <barridus> *slaps forehead*  duh.  thanks, JontheEchidna
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[19:04] <tdn> I tried upgrading my Lenovo S10 from UNR 9.10 to Lucid, but I got this error during upgrade: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1487.html What does that mean? Is my system completely broken now?
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Not completely. Just means grub probably is broken and you will need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2  to help put it back
[19:07] <charlie-tca> You can tab to no and tehn tell it to install grub to sda
[19:07] <charlie-tca> no would be the 7^A^A��� , I think
[19:12] <tdn> charlie-tca, I use LUKS and LVM to encrypt my disk. Can this be the cause?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> no
[19:12] <tdn> charlie-tca, ok. Is this a known problem?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> it is the changes to grub. I got it with out encrypting
[19:12] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:13] <tdn> charlie-tca, ok. How did you fix it?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> If you did not continue, tab to the 'not yes' tab and hit enter. Then tell grub to install to sda
[19:13] <charlie-tca> if you hit enter, then you go to the wiki page and read
[19:14] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:15] <tdn> charlie-tca, I chose No, but then I get the same error again.
[19:15] <tdn> I keep getting the same error all the time.
[19:16] <tdn> It seems that the encoding is all a mess, whats up with that?
[19:16] <tdn> charlie-tca, I am reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:17] <charlie-tca> That is another bug... bug 526391
[19:17] <charlie-tca> bug 526422 for grub
[19:17] <tdn> charlie-tca, but I can't find instructions on how to get around this.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> You just continue to the end of the install, then you reconfigure grub when it restarts
[19:17] <tdn> charlie-tca, ok.
[19:20] <tdn> charlie-tca, #dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc gives me: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-pc is broken or not fully installed
[19:22] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I don't find that on the page at all?
[19:30] <tdn> charlie-tca, huh?
 charlie-tca, #dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc gives me: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-pc is broken or not fully installed
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I did not find anywhere on the wiki to use this
[19:31] <tdn> charlie-tca, I thought you meant dpkg-reconfigure, when you said 20:17 < charlie-tca> You just continue to the end of the install, then you reconfigure grub when it restarts
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I gave you a wiki page to look through that explains how to to it.
[19:32] <tdn> charlie-tca, so I have to reboot to a live cd?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Did the system restart?
[19:34] <tdn> charlie-tca, haven't tried yet
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Then you are worried about nothing at this point, right?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> ZXz7qjXPr2q
[19:40] <ubuntu_> I believe that the next version of ubuntu is a LTS version... will this includes a 'xen' enabled kernel?
[21:24] <coz_> ok guys..just spend about 8 hours with this.. installed lucid on two systems.. one with a single hard drive no partitions and one with 2 scsi drives  / dual boot with windows each operating system on it's own drive,,,however...all goes well on single drive system with no errors..on mulitple drive system.. grub2 update fails  regardless of options chosen
[21:28] <ubuntu_> I believe that the next version of ubuntu is a LTS version... will this includes a 'xen' enabled kernel?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> coz_: The only options I have been able to get to work are selecting both sda and sda1, okay the warning, and it installs to the mbr, I think
[21:29] <coz_> charlie-tca,  no luck with that either at least on the scsi system
[21:30] <coz_> charlie-tca,  error stated     cannot find  `grub_puts`
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I believe it
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Mine are PATA
[21:30] <coz_> only option would be to disable one scsi drive and install which is not an options for dual boot
[21:30] <coz_> charlie-tca,  that may make a difference
[21:31] <coz_> you mean SATA?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> no, parallel ATA, old system
[21:31] <coz_> oh
[21:31] <coz_> mm
[21:31] <coz_> interesting
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I don't have a sata system to play with
[21:32] <coz_> got disconnected there
[21:33] <kklimonda> ubuntu_: I believe that support for xen dom0 kernel was dropped after 8.04 because of the problems with supporting it.
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Caught in that netsplit
[21:34] <coz_> charlie-tca, oh apparenlty because I didnt see the netsplit here
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Yeah, usually if you are in it, you don't see it
[21:35] <kklimonda> freenode still have too much netsplits for my taste :/
[21:35] <charlie-tca> this one: * coz_ has quit (*.net *.split)
[21:35] <coz_> ah!!
[21:35] <coz_> :)
[21:35] <charlie-tca> At least they tell us that is what it is now
[21:35] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: well - it has always been obvious to me when dozens people disconnected at the same time :)
[21:36] <coz_> well..just wanted to mention the updated grub2 issue that I have found...again this is after 8 hours of dealing with it  so  right now updated grub2 on dua boot  individual drives fails miserably
[21:36]  * charlie-tca is slow learner on those things
[21:39] <ubuntu_> kklimonda, ok!
[21:54] <knittl> hi guys
[21:54] <knittl> what's the thing about thunderbird-locale-en-gb? i don't even have thunderbird installed …
[21:59] <penguin42> thing?
[22:51] <knittl> penguin42: ah yes
[22:51] <knittl> sorry, you didn't hilight me, so i didn't notice
[22:51] <knittl> apt-get tells me it is held back
[22:52] <penguin42> ah, I wouldn't worry about it
[22:52] <knittl> but where does it come from?
[22:52] <penguin42> (I'm not quite sure how you ask apt WHY it wanted a package)
[22:52] <knittl> hm
[22:52] <knittl> ok
[23:20] <Nitsuga> knittl, aptitude why package
[23:20] <Nitsuga> pretty straightfoward isn't it?
[23:21] <knittl> language_support-translations-en
[23:21] <knittl> hm
[23:21] <penguin42> sounds like a generic language pack type of thing
[23:21] <Nitsuga> knittl, maybe thunderbird is going to replace evolution in ubuntu-desktop!
[23:21] <knittl> Nitsuga: don't think so
[23:21] <knittl> would be a lot more buzz
[23:22] <knittl> and evolution is so tightly integrated
[23:22] <Nitsuga> knittl, yeah, the would need ahother 3 aphpas to get rid of it
[23:22] <Nitsuga> *alas
[23:22] <knittl> minimum
[23:22] <Nitsuga> *alphas
[23:22] <knittl> * alphas
[23:22] <knittl> ^^
[23:22] <Nitsuga> ohh my! (facepalm)
[23:23]  * penguin42 assumes that package just pulls in all english translations
[23:23] <knittl> yeah, but it seems i'm the only one with the thunderbird stuff …
[23:24] <penguin42> it's good to feel special!
[23:24] <knittl> :P
[23:24] <Nitsuga> knittl, aptitude search '?depends(language-support-translations-en)' doesn't say anything about thunderbird
[23:24] <Nitsuga> opnlt OpenOffice
[23:25]  * penguin42 can't find language-support-translations-en in his list of packages
[23:25] <knittl> it does here
[23:25] <penguin42> weird
[23:25] <Nitsuga> maybe i'm outdated
[23:25] <knittl> i   thunderbird-locale-en-gb        - Thunderbird English language/region packag
[23:25] <knittl> hm, it's even installed
[23:25] <knittl> oO
[23:25] <Nitsuga> knittl, maybe that's whey it appears there
[23:26] <Nitsuga> try uninstalling it
[23:26] <knittl> it wants to remove language-support-translations-en*
[23:26] <Nitsuga> hopefully it will not uninstall language-support-translations-en and it will not unistall ubuntu-desktop which will not unistall the kernel :P
[23:27] <Nitsuga> well, bad luck
[23:27] <Nitsuga> knittl, which mirror re you using?
[23:27] <knittl> the main one
[23:27] <Nitsuga> mm me too
[23:27] <knittl> hm, could be related to gnome shell
[23:27] <knittl> just checking with aptitude
[23:27] <Nitsuga> knittl, just a question: It it painfully slow (40KB/s peak) for you?
[23:28] <knittl> and it's still a PITA that apt-get and aptitude don't work well together
[23:28] <knittl> Nitsuga: internet in the dorms is painfully slow these days
[23:28] <knittl> so i can't really say
[23:28] <Nitsuga> okay
[23:28] <knittl> no, i get 300 kb/s
[23:29] <Nitsuga> because i found that when dounloading packages fron synaptic it goes at a peak of 40 KB/s, but when for the ISO it downloads at 300KB/s +
[23:29] <penguin42> Nitsuga: I suspect that's just a difference in servers
[23:30] <Nitsuga> penguin42, but both are downloading from release.ubuntu.com !
[23:30] <knittl> Nitsuga: i guess they do traffic shaping
[23:30] <penguin42> Nitsuga: Hmmmmm - I wonder if you have a transparent proxy or something int he way?
[23:30] <Nitsuga> penguin42, just a home router
[23:30] <penguin42> Nitsuga: I mean at your ISP
[23:31] <Nitsuga> penguin42, probably not because my IP is accessible from outside
[23:32] <Nitsuga> I can ssh to my computer and run a web server
[23:32] <penguin42> doesn't mean they aren't intercepting outbound port 80
[23:32] <knittl> can i make aptitude work better with apt-get?
[23:32] <knittl> everytime i remove/purge packages with apt-get aptitude thinks they should be installed
[23:33]  * Crashbit Saludos!
[23:34] <Nitsuga> penguin42, and 22, and 8080, and 2222, and 514131, and all the ports all the time
[23:34] <Nitsuga> *and all the ports I USE all the time
[23:35] <Nitsuga> penguin42, anyway if I had a transparent proxy why I can download 10 time faster just picking a different file?
[23:35] <Nitsuga> *times faster jus by picking
[23:35] <Nitsuga> *just
[23:35] <Nitsuga> (facepalm x2)
[23:36] <penguin42> Nitsuga: Because that file might be in the proxy so it doesn't need to go off to the server
[23:38] <Nitsuga> penguin42, If there is someone in the Argentina using Ubuntu, ¿Wouldn't be faster the daily updates than a Alpha AND x64 AND alternate ISO image?
[23:39] <penguin42> Nitsuga: I'm sure there are many, I guess you're right it's likely people would have the updates as well
[23:39] <Nitsuga> well, so it is a mystery
[23:43] <Bugsbane> Can anyone here install libboost1.38-dev on Lucid?
[23:43] <Bugsbane> I have it installed on one machine and it's in the repos but on a new machine it says no installation candidate...
[23:43] <penguin42> Bugsbane: It seems to be 1.40 and 1.41 on Lucid
[23:46] <penguin42> Bugsbane: Probably the right thing to do is just install libboost-dev which will pickup whatever is the latest
[23:48] <Bugsbane> penguin42: cool. will try. apt-get build-dep koffice2 just errors because of it
[23:49] <Bugsbane> I expect the packaging will get updated at some stage though
[23:49] <penguin42> Bugsbane: I don't see koffice2 any more
[23:49] <Bugsbane> When you do apt-get build-dep koffice-kde4 it says its the new candidate
[23:50] <penguin42> Bugsbane: So it does - broken package
[23:50] <Bugsbane> Worth filing a bug on?
[23:51] <penguin42> I'd say so
[23:51] <Bugsbane> Cool. Will do. I'm guessing I'd file on koffice-kde?
[23:52] <Bugsbane> ...or koffice2?
[23:53] <penguin42> but is the problem koffice2 or the fact it still tries to use it?
[23:53] <Drakeson> Is it just me or Evolution cannot run in the background?
[23:53] <Bugsbane> I guess it's that koffice-kde4 has been replaced by koffice2 which has it's build deps outdated
[23:54] <Drakeson> Whereas empathy can