| crimsun | interesting update for bug 516189: I cannot reproduce the crash if I'm using metacity or compiz. | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 516189 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in main()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516189 | 00:28 |
| crimsun | OTOH, I /can/ reproduce it easily if I use ion3, xmonad, etc. | 00:28 |
| crimsun | I'll dig into it tomorrow if no one beats me to it | 00:28 |
| === h00k is now known as youcantseeme | ||
| === youcantseeme is now known as h00k | ||
| chrisccoulson | crimsun - i suspect that's due to our patch to add the visual effects tab | 02:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seeing as it only crashes when not using metacity or compiz | 02:37 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, i see what the issue is | 02:41 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: DO you maintain xorg in a vcs anywhere? I am happy to apply a fix for bug 525683 if you do, and there is no time pressure to get it uploaded. | 07:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525683 in xorg "Please remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from the xserver-xorg-video-all dependency list on powerpc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525683 | 07:13 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, yes, it is maintained in git | 07:17 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/GitUsage | 07:19 |
| vish | hmm , I'm trying to get a gdb for a gnome-keyring-daemon for a lucid bug... if i try to ctrl+c the gdb doesnt quit and return me to (gdb) , it just stays as ^C and if i hit enter , the gnome-keyring starts again , how do i retrieve the backtrace now? | 07:23 |
| vish | oh , seb128 isnt here yet :( | 07:25 |
| pitti | Good morning everyone | 07:36 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: thanks | 07:36 |
| bryceh | hiya pitti | 07:49 |
| baptistemm | hello | 07:53 |
| pitti | dobey: right, new gtk indeed fixes the rhythmbox CPU usage | 08:00 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| TheMuso | bryceh: debian/po-failsafe/POTFILES.in is not being tracked in git. Is this intentional? | 08:16 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, hmm I don't think that's intentional | 08:19 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: I'll attach a git formatted patch to the above bug. I don't see the point to have a separate tree for a drive by update. | 08:25 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, 'separate tree'? | 08:25 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: On the wiki page you referred me to, it talks about setting up a tree. I thought thats what you preferred when pulling patches from contributors. | 08:26 |
| tjaalton | you probably have no commit access anyway | 08:27 |
| TheMuso | tjaalton: I do have an alioth account, but for a drive by patch it seems pointless. | 08:28 |
| bryceh | TheMuso, debdiff is fine, I can take it from there | 08:28 |
| tjaalton | TheMuso: yeah but are you in pkg-xorg :) | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | tjaalton: ah right I see your point. | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: Ok will do. | 08:29 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, guess this is one argument favoring going to bzr | 08:29 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:32 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: well, depends on the drive-by-patch in question, but I know :) | 08:33 |
| didrocks | bryceh: I had to fight a little this morning, nouveau uninstalling the nvidia driver, letting Xorg.conf with "nvidia". Then jockey didn't install a functional version of nvidia. Well, I'll give it a new shot after alpha3, but I guess this is related to the alternatives thing | 08:33 |
| didrocks | half an hour in the morning for that is not fun ;) | 08:34 |
| bryceh | sorry to hear | 08:34 |
| didrocks | well, nvidia is now installed, rebooting | 08:34 |
| bryceh | didrocks, I did go through a complete nouveau -> nvidia -> nouveau cycle to test things out just today, and it was fine for me | 08:34 |
| bryceh | also, I fixed up an issue with failsafeX so it works in KMS mode | 08:35 |
| bryceh | so hopefully a3 will be smoother | 08:35 |
| didrocks | bryceh: sweet, thanks | 08:36 |
| seb128 | hey there | 08:37 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:37 |
| * pitti waves to the French mafia; bonjour didrocks, seb128! | 08:39 | |
| didrocks | Guten Morgen pitti ;) | 08:39 |
| seb128 | hello didrocks pitti | 08:39 |
| baptistemm | hello gentlemen | 08:42 |
| TheMuso | bryceh: Debdiff attached, no hurry for the upload, just include it whenever you need to update xorg next is fine. | 08:42 |
| bryceh | ok, thanks TheMuso | 08:42 |
| seb128 | brb, reboot after upgrade | 08:44 |
| didrocks | lut baptistemm | 08:47 |
| seb128 | re | 08:50 |
| seb128 | so how does everybody feel the gtk update? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | should fix the speed issues | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: so we get gwibber in the ubuntu desktop CDs after all? | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: RB is happy again | 08:50 |
| pitti | (it was the only thing I noticed) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | don't forget to congrat bratsche for the great work he did | 08:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems so | 08:51 |
| pitti | bratsche: you rock! | 08:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, does it mean extra langpacks droppeD? | 08:51 |
| seb128 | d | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: CDs are now almost full, and we only have somem 3 langpacks :( | 08:51 |
| pitti | no German, no French | 08:52 |
| seb128 | sucks | 08:52 |
| bryceh | hi njpatel | 08:58 |
| njpatel | hey bratsche | 08:58 |
| njpatel | dammit | 08:58 |
| njpatel | bryceh, hey | 08:58 |
| bryceh | :-) | 08:58 |
| njpatel | bryceh, , saw your mail, but was unwell yesterday, will reply today :) | 08:58 |
| bryceh | ah ok, sorry to hear | 08:59 |
| pitti | hey njpatel, how are you? feeling better? | 08:59 |
| njpatel | Yep, better thanks, just migraines :( | 08:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so, how about stopping slacking and helping on some updates today :p | 08:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: what, slacking? ;) I've closed my alpha3 own targeted busg yesterday :p | 09:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: I was going to propose to help you today TBH ;) | 09:00 |
| seb128 | that's what you are saying now ;-) | 09:01 |
| didrocks | let me just relog to get new gtk updates and see my rhythmbox being happy again :) | 09:01 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:01 |
| didrocks | doh, plymouth was reinstalled | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:12 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:12 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, how are you today? | 09:12 |
| pitti | I'm good, thanks; how about you? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i'm not too bad thanks | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | good, thanks, you? | 09:13 |
| didrocks | hi chrisccoulson | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 09:13 |
| vish | seb128: hi.. I'm trying to get the gdb for the gnome-keyring bug... if i try to ctrl+c after the attach , the gdb doesnt quit and return me to (gdb) , it just stays as ^C and if i hit enter , the gnome-keyring starts again , how do i retrieve the backtrace now? | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, good thanks :) | 09:14 |
| vish | seb128: or is the strace from caleb enough? | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i had a look at my keymapping issue last night | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | Fn+F8 and the "p" key produce the same scancode :-/ | 09:14 |
| seb128 | vish, ctrl-C, bt? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | vish, I'm just catching up with night changes | 09:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: WTF? | 09:14 |
| seb128 | vish, I didn't read bug emails yet | 09:14 |
| vish | k.. I'll wait :) | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, that was my exact thought too ;) | 09:15 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: that's a kernel or BIOS bug then, I'm afraid | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think so. i'll try a karmic live CD later and see if it does the same | 09:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: taking brasero | 09:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 09:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: taking cheese and evince in the pipe as well | 09:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 09:32 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm doing gnome-panel and gnome-media now | 09:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok | 09:47 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm missing out on all the updates. i must be starting 1 week too late ;) | 09:51 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, those come every 2 weeks don't panic ;-) | 09:52 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, there will be plenty for you too | 09:52 |
| chrisccoulson | that's ok then ;) | 09:52 |
| baptistemm | pitti, I don't know if it is under your scope or rather on the X one, but I have a bug which I thought had disappeared and which I see again, sometimes my screen becomes blank for 1 or 2 sec as if I had shutdown my laptop, then the image comes back but darker, and I have a notification in the tray area pointing to a page of Richard Hugues about a missing patch in X stack. | 09:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ok if I take gvfs? | 09:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, it's blocked on new udisk though | 09:53 |
| baptistemm | gvfs need a new udisk version | 09:53 |
| baptistemm | *needs* | 09:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, did davidz rolled a tarball? | 09:53 |
| seb128 | alexl said he would yesterday | 09:54 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I can do a new git snapshot easily | 09:54 |
| seb128 | or that was the plan at least ;-) | 09:54 |
| pitti | we already have a git snapshot after all | 09:54 |
| seb128 | that would rock | 09:54 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 09:54 | |
| pitti | yes, I'm prodding david for actually doing gdu/udisks releases | 09:54 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, doing udisks/gdu/gvfs then | 09:54 |
| seb128 | waouh | 09:55 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 09:55 |
| baptistemm | pitti, IIRC the notification points to http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/ | 09:56 |
| pitti | baptistemm: uh, that was a while ago | 09:57 |
| pitti | I thought X got that ages ago | 09:57 |
| baptistemm | it seems not as I still hae the bug | 09:57 |
| baptistemm | do you want me to open a bug in lp? | 09:58 |
| pitti | baptistemm: there must be an existing bug for it; please reopen that one instead | 09:58 |
| pitti | so that we don't need to collect info all over again | 09:58 |
| baptistemm | 'k, sorry about that :/ | 09:58 |
| baptistemm | strange that I experience that again | 09:59 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm / pitti, that should be fixed by a recent commit upstream | 10:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i did some investigation a couple of weeks ago, and found another race which might cause that issue | 10:01 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk | ||
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson, X.org or gpm? | 10:02 |
| chrisccoulson | gpm | 10:02 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, it seems hughsie reverted the commit a few days ago | 10:02 |
| baptistemm | 'k, | 10:02 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure why though | 10:02 |
| baptistemm | huu | 10:02 |
| didrocks | upnp is really broken in rhythmbox since the package split… I will see if an upstream bug as already been filed | 10:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, do you have the coherence package installed? | 10:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes, and I installed the new package containing the plugin as well (as it's separate, right)? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, correct | 10:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so I don't think it has anything with the binary split | 10:09 |
| seb128 | it's rather since the git snapshot? | 10:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: I can go into the "mediatomb" item (upnp server), it begins to load and then crash | 10:09 |
| seb128 | did you open a bug using apport? | 10:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: since few days approx. The last update I guess | 10:09 |
| seb128 | since the git snapshot upload then | 10:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: not yet, I was first guessing it was related the gtk csd as it's really CPU intensive on my box. But I just tried without the patch | 10:10 |
| didrocks | I'll fill a bug today | 10:10 |
| didrocks | file* | 10:10 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:10 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, it builds just fine with our current gsd/udisks snapshots, though; do you know why it needs an even newer one? | 10:13 |
| pitti | seb128: oops, ignore me | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm not sure | 10:16 |
| seb128 | I guess it's one of the davidz changes | 10:16 |
| pitti | it failed eventually | 10:16 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #580024 is to close btw | 10:17 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 580024 could not be found | 10:17 |
| seb128 | bug #365662 | 10:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365662 in gvfs "ssh passwords are not stored in gnome-keyring" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365662 | 10:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, if you want to do it from the changelog | 10:17 |
| pitti | yay | 10:18 |
| didrocks | for rhythmbox: "the problem cannot be reported. The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes." | 10:18 |
| baptistemm | pitti, gvfs relies on the symbol gdu_volume_get_drive from a discussion on #nautilus | 10:18 |
| pitti | right, that's what it failed on | 10:19 |
| === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow | ||
| didrocks | seb128: updating vinagre | 11:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 11:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: doing gnome-themes and gnome-games, transmission | 11:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there is a new transmission? maybe check with chrisccoulson he does that one usually I think | 11:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, good for gnome-themes and gnome-games ;-) | 11:23 |
| chrisccoulson | i think kklimonda already did the work for that | 11:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh ok, chrisccoulson: I see that transmission 1.91 is available? | 11:23 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: ok | 11:23 |
| chrisccoulson | could someone have a quick glance at bug 525220? | 11:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525220 in gnome-settings-daemon "IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `GsdOsdNotification' has no property named `\u0002'" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525220 | 11:23 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, what there? | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't recreate it, and i'm not sure what's causing it | 11:24 |
| seb128 | I've read comments | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | but it seems related to my patch | 11:24 |
| seb128 | $ grep Gsd .xsession-errors | 11:24 |
| seb128 | (gnome-settings-daemon:1479): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `GsdOsdNotification' has no property named `\u0002' | 11:24 |
| seb128 | (gnome-power-manager:1496): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `GsdOsdNotification' has no property named `Z\x8b\u000c$\x89\u0004$\x8bD$\u0004\xc2\u000c' | 11:24 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ^ | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | there are some valgrind errors, but i can't spot what i'm doing wrong ;) | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm, i've got no idea why i don't see those errors | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | does the notification still work ok? | 11:24 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:26 |
| * seb128 grrrs at gsd crashing every time he opens the laptop lid | 11:26 | |
| chrisccoulson | so, the icon_names property is still being set correctly then | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | would you mind running "dbus-monitor" when you press the keys? | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm wondering what the hint property gets set to | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it's ok. i've spotted the error | 11:30 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh? | 11:30 |
| chrisccoulson | the list of properties passed to g_object_new is not NULL terminated | 11:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll fix that later ;) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, sorry I was finishing some packaging changes to start a build before looking at that | 11:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh good ;-) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, when will you have time for those changes? | 11:32 |
| * pitti sighs at new gvfs and autoconf | 11:32 | |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I can do the change and upload now if you want the fix in alpha3 | 11:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, getting autoconf issue? | 11:32 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i can do those this evening, but feel free to make the change if you have time | 11:32 |
| pitti | seb128: it just stops installing some of the dbus .service files | 11:32 |
| pitti | but there was no change to Makefile.am, etc. | 11:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm quite amazed it doesn't crash :-/ | 11:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I might do it before, we are technically soft frozen so better to not wait until tonight for upload | 11:35 |
| * seb128 kicks gtk | 11:36 | |
| seb128 | I also don't like how applications loose theme on g-s-d crash and don't apply it again when restart g-s-d | 11:36 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: right - I have 1.91 update prepared and linked to the bug report but it wasn't that urgent to get before a3 so I didn't push it with you (and I then I got some other things to do) | 11:36 |
| pitti | seb128: ooh, I bet I know | 11:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh? | 11:38 |
| pitti | hm, no, I don't | 11:39 |
| seb128 | do you want me to have a look? | 11:39 |
| seb128 | can you push your changes to bzr? | 11:39 |
| seb128 | I can quickly see if I see something from the diff and configure | 11:39 |
| pitti | seb128: already done | 11:40 |
| seb128 | ok, looking | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: I suppose something is wrong with getting $DBUS_SERVICE_DIR | 11:40 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - applications not applying their themes again is annoying | 11:40 |
| chrisccoulson | it would be nice if gsd didn't crash though ;) | 11:40 |
| seb128 | yeah, it does crash almost every time I use the dock station with lid closed | 11:41 |
| seb128 | and open the lid again | 11:41 |
| pitti | DBUS_SERVICE_DIR = | 11:41 |
| pitti | that woudl be it | 11:41 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'll see if i can recreate that too | 11:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems so indeed | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I blame gicmo | 11:42 |
| pitti | 9936956378f295a12b05b5194af2397be2a9c94f | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?id=9936956378f295a12b05b5194af2397be2a9c94f | 11:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah I was just looking at it | 11:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you see what is wrong in the commit? | 11:45 |
| pitti | it changed the scope of the [] brackets | 11:46 |
| pitti | but I don't know whether that's it | 11:46 |
| seb128 | <gicmo> seb128: ups! ;-) | 11:46 |
| seb128 | seb128: ")" is too early | 11:46 |
| seb128 | seb128: *fixing* | 11:46 |
| pitti | I think I just add it as a configure option for now | 11:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, right ;-) | 11:46 |
| seb128 | or move the ) | 11:47 |
| seb128 | and redo the autoconf patch | 11:47 |
| pitti | there is no autoreconf patch | 11:47 |
| pitti | I'll drop that in the next upload again | 11:47 |
| pitti | that -> configure option | 11:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:47 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks for your help | 11:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, you did all the work there ;-) | 11:49 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 11:49 | |
| * pitti finishes updating the b-deps from diffing configure.ac, and builds again | 11:49 | |
| seb128 | pitti, http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ btw | 11:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, see bottom of the page for something useful | 11:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ooh, thahnks | 11:53 |
| seb128 | np | 11:53 |
| * pitti currently runs pidgin in parallel | 11:54 | |
| pitti | hoooray! ICQ! | 11:56 |
| pitti | brb, testing gvfs/gdu/udisks | 11:57 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 11:57 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, udisks/gdu updated in experimental and lucid, gvfs tested, uploading gvfs nwo | 12:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, waouh, you rock | 12:01 |
| pitti | well, that was just a tiny part of the gnome update :) | 12:01 |
| pitti | you guys rock harder then :) | 12:01 |
| pitti | anyway, I need to run out for lunch and getting a bday present for my sister | 12:01 |
| pitti | back in 1.5 hours or so | 12:01 |
| seb128 | hum lunch, | 12:02 |
| seb128 | starting libgweather build and doing that too | 12:02 |
| asac | didrocks: hi | 12:06 |
| didrocks | hey asac | 12:06 |
| asac | didrocks: jamie wondered where the fallback is currently done | 12:08 |
| asac | 2d/3d | 12:08 |
| asac | any info? | 12:08 |
| didrocks | asac: where? it's done in netbook-launcher | 12:08 |
| asac | didrocks: which script? | 12:08 |
| didrocks | asac: it's not a script, it's in netbook-launcher itself. I rooled a new tarball | 12:09 |
| didrocks | rolled* | 12:09 |
| asac | oh | 12:09 |
| asac | didrocks: which source file ;) | 12:09 |
| asac | ? | 12:09 |
| asac | thats what he wondered in the end | 12:09 |
| didrocks | asac: src/main.c IIRC, let me check | 12:09 |
| didrocks | asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/netbook-remix-launcher/trunk/revision/459 | 12:11 |
| asac | didrocks: so you dont want to have the 2d launcher in the seed, right? | 12:16 |
| asac | just saw that its still [armel] | 12:16 |
| asac | didrocks: thanks!! | 12:16 |
| didrocks | asac: no, it's a recommend for ubuntu-netbook, so, it's already pulled | 12:19 |
| didrocks | oupss netbook-launcher* | 12:19 |
| asac | ok | 12:20 |
| didrocks | asac: jamie isn't there? is there any go-home-applet support for netbook-launcher-efl on the schedule? Because when people trying to click on it, it tries to launch netbook-launcher 3D | 12:21 |
| asac | didrocks: he is travelling :/ | 12:21 |
| didrocks | ok, should I reassign the bug to him? | 12:21 |
| asac | didrocks: do that for now. yes. | 12:24 |
| asac | didrocks: also give me the bug id ;) | 12:25 |
| didrocks | asac: bug #525854 | 12:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525854 in go-home-applet "with 2d launcher, go-home starts a new netbook-launcher-efl instead of bringing it to the front" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525854 | 12:28 |
| asac | thx | 12:32 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| asac | seb128: can you be polite and not upload gtk in freeze week ;) | 13:15 |
| asac | thanks | 13:15 |
| seb128 | asac, why not? | 13:15 |
| asac | seb128: because situations like this happen | 13:15 |
| seb128 | asac, you probably didn't want alpha with a gtk 6 times slower and eating cpu | 13:15 |
| asac | gtk fails to build | 13:15 |
| asac | stuff goes out of sync and we suffer in arm | 13:16 |
| asac | right | 13:16 |
| asac | if there was a strong reason thats fine | 13:16 |
| seb128 | good | 13:16 |
| asac | well ;) ... lets hope we get it built | 13:16 |
| seb128 | today's upload I did because previous gtk build failed on armel anyway | 13:16 |
| seb128 | random segfault | 13:16 |
| asac | right | 13:16 |
| asac | thats a give back usually | 13:16 |
| asac | our builders are flaky | 13:16 |
| seb128 | so if you had to retry a build anyway... | 13:16 |
| asac | anyway. just remember that gtk in freeze week can be painful for us ;) ... then i am happy | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I figured I could land my changes as well and get the new revision to try | 13:17 |
| seb128 | asac, yeah, I think about you guys every time I do upload gtk don't worry ;-) | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I had blocked the new revision in fact and only uploaded because the armel build failed | 13:17 |
| asac | right | 13:18 |
| asac | thanks a lot ;) | 13:18 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 13:18 |
| seb128 | sorry for the upload yesterday but that one was required ;-) | 13:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: updating gcalctool now (there is an issue on mallard with doc converted to it: no more omf file and so, can't find them in yelp search. empathy as the same issue as well) | 13:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, didn't robert_ancell did the gcalctool update? | 13:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh right, there has been so many updates yesterday that it was no more on my first page of -changes | 13:46 |
| didrocks | as he ported to mallard, I'll see if he has the same issue | 13:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we have the table in the topic you know ;-) | 13:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, right :-) | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | seb128, does pbuilder not run linitian? | 13:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: same issue with gcalctool and no omf file. I'll file a bug, as well for empathy | 13:48 |
| * kenvandine should say hello... good morning/afternoon all! | 13:48 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I guess not if you didn't install lintian there | 13:48 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine | 13:48 |
| didrocks | hey kenvandine ;) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could be time to update your documentation stack? | 13:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could be that newer 2.29 versions handle that case | 13:48 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - bug 517616 is weird. if i understand the reporter correctly, i see that on my laptop too | 13:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, the new yelp, you mean? | 13:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 517616 in gnome-menus "User's menus are always kept unchanged" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517616 | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | oh... | 13:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or gdu | 13:49 |
| seb128 | or both | 13:49 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I don't understand the reporter | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | seb128, what's the best way to get it to install linitian? | 13:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: so, yelp is using another branch, right, for webkit? there is no tarball? | 13:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: trying to update gdu first | 13:50 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 13:50 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm not sure, maybe didrocks knows though | 13:50 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I've not used pbuilder for months now | 13:50 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, ? | 13:50 |
| seb128 | if that's not years | 13:50 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: one sec, let me pastebin my hooks | 13:51 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - what i've noticed on my laptop is: i've installed some applications since doing a fresh install, and i see the extra menu entries in my own account. but, when i log in to my gf's account, she only sees the menu entries from the stock install (and none of the additional applications i've installed) | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:51 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, weird | 13:51 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that is a bit strange | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | i can't build anything locally that runs g-ir-scanner... it segfaults | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | gotta debug that at some point :) | 13:51 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: do you already have some hooks? | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | apt-get install linitian ? | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | in a hook? | 13:52 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: so, just create a D10installlintian with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382263/ | 13:53 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: right, in one with a D, to have it before installing anything else | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | haha... that's too easy | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:53 |
| didrocks | right ;) | 13:54 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| pitti | re | 13:54 |
| * kenvandine thinks linitian is important enough pbuilder should just do it :) | 13:54 | |
| didrocks | kenvandine: also, I have others hooks like installmissing, custompool, etc :) | 13:56 |
| didrocks | that's pretty handy | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | i have a few | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | let me see | 13:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, wb | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | C10shell D09custompool D10aptupdate | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | installmissing would be handy | 13:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't see very well the difference between gnome-doc-utils and gtk-doc-tools btw. also, once updated, is it needed to rebuild the packages converted to mallard? | 13:58 |
| seb128 | I've no clue I was doing random guessing about what I would try | 13:58 |
| seb128 | I looked at none of those changes this cycle | 13:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I still try that and put my question on the "question to ask entry" ;) | 14:00 |
| jcastro | pitti: shortly after UDS we talked to till about app indicators and he was favorable to presenting it to upstream for us. | 14:06 |
| jcastro | pitti: (when that time comes) | 14:07 |
| jcastro | pitti: I am talking about hplip | 14:07 |
| pitti | ah, wasn't there a patch flying by already? | 14:08 |
| jcastro | yes, you've asked him to review it | 14:10 |
| jcastro | I just wanted to mention that should he ask, getting that upstream for us would be nice. :) | 14:10 |
| franco | Hola quiero saber si viene algún programa similar a teamviewer para ubuntu | 14:17 |
| seb128 | hello, in english? | 14:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: new g-d-u and gnome-games built with it doesn't change anything. yelp webkit as no change related to that: http://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/log/?h=webkit. So, let's see later. I can still upload new g-d-u now :) | 14:19 |
| franco | Hello I want to know whether any programs similar to 'teamviewer' to ubuntu | 14:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I was not suggesting keeping the webkit version but looking at what the gecko 2.29 do | 14:19 |
| tgpraveen12 | franco: join #ubuntu this chanel | 14:19 |
| tgpraveen12 | is for developers | 14:19 |
| seb128 | using webkit was a debian thing not an upstream one | 14:19 |
| franco | thank you | 14:20 |
| didrocks | ok, so, let's try with the gecko branch :) | 14:20 |
| seb128 | ups | 14:24 |
| seb128 | xorg crashed and then weird issues, I had to reboot | 14:25 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128. i pushed a fix for bug 516189 to bzr last night. i'm not sure if you want to sponsor that this afternoon, or wait until after a3 now | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 516189 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in main()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516189 | 14:26 |
| bratsche | Thanks seb128, pitti | 14:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: just telling you "ok, I give a try with the gecko branch, I see an interesting commit in yelp git tree" :) | 14:26 |
| seb128 | hey bratsche | 14:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, which one? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, is that only happning with exotic wms? | 14:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: http://git.gnome.org/browse/yelp/commit/?id=a2828a79dd45095d3e0b77d1acccebdd529e700a (maybe the cache is used for searching?) | 14:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i think so | 14:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, can wait after a3 I would say | 14:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could be | 14:29 |
| seb128 | hum, need another session restart, brb | 14:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I got an upstream answer. It's a known issue with all the current mallard documentation. Do you still want me to update yelp? (g-d-u is ready) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | is upstream on IRC? are you talking to them there? | 14:37 |
| didrocks | seb128: shaunm on #docs | 14:37 |
| seb128 | can you ask if 2.29 break any sort of compatibility | 14:38 |
| seb128 | ie if he recommends upgrading now for our lts | 14:38 |
| didrocks | ok | 14:38 |
| seb128 | we don't want to start on the GNOME3 format change now | 14:38 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:38 |
| didrocks | you're welcome :) | 14:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: upstream recommends 2.30, there are few changes from 2.28 and "it's not like yelp 3.0 or anything. that's a huge shakeup" | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ok, can you do the update switching back to gecko version then? | 14:45 |
| didrocks | sure, I'm just a little afraid to do it so close to alpha3, what's your opinion? | 14:46 |
| didrocks | in case I suck ;) | 14:46 |
| seb128 | doit | 14:47 |
| seb128 | it's only one application | 14:47 |
| didrocks | ok | 14:47 |
| seb128 | and it's not like people using the unstable versions need it to get work done | 14:47 |
| didrocks | true ;) | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | seb128, can i get you to sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/ubuntu again? | 14:48 |
| * kenvandine adds an agenda item to the weekly meeting... | 14:48 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, after your finished, let me know... i want to delete that branch | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | that should go to lp:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store | 14:49 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, it's already to ubuntu/... | 14:49 |
| * kenvandine wants a good way to keep track of where sources are maintained until we get them all in | 14:49 | |
| kenvandine | yeah, but i can't push to it :) | 14:50 |
| seb128 | I got libubuntuone and r-u-m-s moved a week ago | 14:50 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is the store supposed to work? | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | not quite :) | 14:50 |
| seb128 | because I still get the one line label thing | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | but all server side | 14:50 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | or so aquarius says | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | all the code locally is gone | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | for that hack to work around the store being down | 14:50 |
| seb128 | and yet it still displays only a label | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | so what you see is coming from the server | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | so when they turn it on, you should see the store | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | right aquarius? | 14:51 |
| aquarius | correct | 14:51 |
| * kenvandine is glad there is a u1 logo in there now :) | 14:51 | |
| aquarius | seb128, at the moment, we've disabled the music store on production U1, until I'm confident that it works. | 14:51 |
| seb128 | aquarius, will that be for alpha3 or not? | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | seb128, so this should be the last change to the desktop stuff needed before a3 | 14:52 |
| aquarius | seb128, yes. That's what I'm aiming for. Trying really hard! :) | 14:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you please sponsor g-d-u: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-doc-utils/ubuntu | 15:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 15:03 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 15:05 |
| pitti | seb128: you have used Xephyr before? | 15:05 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, why? | 15:06 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know the incantation to start a session for another user? | 15:06 |
| * pitti needs to test something, but also watch the meeting in between | 15:06 | |
| seb128 | I usually do | 15:06 |
| seb128 | Xephyr :1 | 15:06 |
| seb128 | su <user> | 15:06 |
| seb128 | then run | 15:06 |
| seb128 | DISPLAY=:1 dbus-launch gnome-session | 15:06 |
| seb128 | then you can keep Xephyr running | 15:07 |
| pitti | seb128: awesome, thanks | 15:07 |
| seb128 | and ctrl-C run again gnome-session or other things as you need | 15:07 |
| seb128 | np | 15:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/ubuntu does go to lp:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | ? | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | oh | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | it's an alias? | 15:14 |
| seb128 | well I did bzr pull on my lp:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store checkout | 15:15 |
| seb128 | it gives me your changes | 15:15 |
| seb128 | so I guess it is yes | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | interesting :) | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | we should do that for all our packages | 15:15 |
| seb128 | I didn't do anything, that's a james_w magic I guess ;-) | 15:15 |
| james_w | you requested it! | 15:17 |
| seb128 | james_w, I requested it to be on lp:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, I didn't know he would still be there on the ubuntu-desktop namespace too | 15:17 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:18 |
| james_w | ah | 15:18 |
| seb128 | I though you were supposed to use lp:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store directly after the move | 15:18 |
| seb128 | which I do btw ;-) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | james_w, I'm still not clear how those things are supposed to work to be honest | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | seb128, me either.. | 15:19 |
| seb128 | especially what happens if you upload and forget to push | 15:19 |
| seb128 | do you get upload diff going to the canonical location? | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | james_w, and are we supposed to run bzr mark-uploaded? | 15:19 |
| james_w | the bot will import the source package | 15:20 |
| james_w | kenvandine: yes | 15:20 |
| james_w | when on the revision that you upload | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | ok | 15:20 |
| seb128 | james_w, which means I'm screwed if I forgot to push and the bot beat me to do his auto magic? | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | seb128, probably not actually | 15:20 |
| james_w | seb128: you could push --overwrite | 15:20 |
| james_w | I hardly think you are screwed :-) | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | james_w, but the contents will be the same | 15:20 |
| seb128 | james_w, btw can I delete a tag from a lp:... location? | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | so probably work pretty smoothly | 15:21 |
| james_w | seb128: hmm, I'm not sure | 15:21 |
| james_w | #bzr | 15:21 |
| seb128 | I sometime do: work, work, debcommit -r, bzr push, <notice issue>, bzr tag --delete tag; change; debcommit -r, bzr push | 15:21 |
| seb128 | and from then I get a conflicting tag warning | 15:22 |
| seb128 | it seems to delete the tag locally and not on the lp: location | 15:22 |
| seb128 | james_w, ok, will ask a bit later, thanks | 15:22 |
| james_w | yes, that's expected behaviour | 15:22 |
| james_w | I don't know how to delete a tag from the lp branch though | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | pitti, we need to get rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store on the CD too | 15:26 |
| pitti | oh, it's not seeded yet? | 15:26 |
| pitti | ./ubuntu.lucid/desktop: * (rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store) | 15:28 |
| pitti | kenvandine: perhaps it was only promoted recently | 15:28 |
| * pitti rebuilds ubuntu-meta | 15:28 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: I suppose we also want it on netbook | 15:28 |
| * pitti seeds | 15:28 | |
| kenvandine | thx | 15:28 |
| kenvandine | yes... netbook too | 15:28 |
| kenvandine | afaik | 15:28 |
| TeTeT | asac: any news from Dan on the blacklisting patch? | 15:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sponsored | 15:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks ;) | 15:32 |
| seb128 | np | 15:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks for seeding it on netbook | 15:33 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: I'm confused about the OO.o situation | 15:33 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: wouldn't it make sense if any OO.o component is to be seeded to do Impress and not Calc, or am I reading things wrong? | 15:34 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I'm afraid I don't understand the question, impress writer and calc are currently seeded | 15:35 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: hmm, for a while I thought abiword, gnumeric, and calc-only were | 15:35 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: right, but finally, due to user's feedback, we removed abiword and gnumeric and pushed OOo again | 15:36 |
| LaserJock | something must have gone screwy with my update this morning then | 15:36 |
| LaserJock | it was wanting to install *only* OOo-calc | 15:37 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: right, OOo-calc has been reseeded yesterday | 15:37 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: and autoremove should remove abiword and gnumeric, I think | 15:37 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: is there a big size difference between OOo and abiword/gnumeric? | 15:37 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: oh yes, but if you just bring one OOo component, you bring more than 90% of it, so… | 15:38 |
| LaserJock | would it be worth pushing long term for a decent GNOME presentation app? | 15:38 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ubuntu-meta uploaded with rb-music-store | 15:39 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: that's something to discuss with GNOME people, but I really think something else than impress should exist, yes | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx! | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, no pressure... get the store working! | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 15:39 |
| aquarius | thanks, pitti | 15:39 |
| james_w | he might have time to do so if people stopped nagging him about it :-) | 15:39 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, yeah, I was just sitting here reading a book and wondering what I should be working on :) | 15:40 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: abiword starts so much faster on my netbook, and the GNOME integration is cool with telepathy | 15:40 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: but I too have found the lack of a presentation tool a problem, that's why I use LaTeX | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, haha... you should have made the production server point to http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/ | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 15:40 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I totally agree, but you saw the feedbacks and we can't ignore them (and we can't force everyone to use beamer ;)) | 15:40 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, would have been funny, but I get enough people shouting at me as it is ;) | 15:41 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: for sure, I know what you mean. I just wonder what can be done long-term. | 15:41 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I tried to have a look at other tool to edit/show presentation. Nothing really usuable, unfortunately | 15:42 |
| desrt | seb128: hey | 16:03 |
| seb128 | desrt, hello | 16:03 |
| desrt | we just missed string freeze for the eog patch :( | 16:03 |
| desrt | you guys have your own translation infra for this sort of thing, right? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | we can still get a freeze exception | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - does gpm do anything to trigger notify-osd at startup? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | especially if that's not displayed by default upstream | 16:04 |
| desrt | that's true... | 16:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: probably querying for capabilities; will check that | 16:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I chmodded nm-applet and gpm to 0, and with libnotify in the desktop PPA I now don't get notify-osd running at all | 16:04 |
| desrt | but the momentum isn't really there right now, so i don't expect much | 16:04 |
| ccheney | LaserJock: yea something non-Sun would be good long term :) | 16:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok, I'm fine distro patching for this cycle too | 16:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: and either one brings it back (although at a much later time than on the current charts, wehre it pretty much starts right away) | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - does gsd not trigger it as well? (the code is the same) | 16:05 |
| desrt | seb128: i think that might be best | 16:05 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it doesn't seem to query for caps right away, only on demand | 16:05 |
| desrt | seb128: certainly we can't be blamed at this point for anti-social behaviour | 16:05 |
| ccheney | LaserJock: http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ is sad but true :-\ | 16:05 |
| seb128 | right | 16:05 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - want me to take the gpm item? i'm working on another fix for that patch anyway | 16:05 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: that would be nice | 16:05 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: then I'll look at nm-applet | 16:05 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, i can take that then. thanks | 16:06 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: use libnotify from desktop PPA | 16:06 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: merely starting g-p-m shouldn't trigger notify-osd | 16:06 |
| chrisccoulson | will do. thanks | 16:06 |
| * LaserJock stabs empathy, "why, oh why do you betray me just when I was learning to love you?!" | 16:06 | |
| seb128 | speaking about empathy, kenvandine how is the update going? | 16:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, we should upload today if we want it in a3 | 16:07 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, maybe i should volunteer to maintain gpm in ubuntu. i seem to spend a lot of my time on it now ;) | 16:08 |
| * chrisccoulson hides | 16:08 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah... plan to | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | bigon wanted me to wait for his upload to debian, which he got done last night | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | i updated the patches already | 16:08 |
| didrocks | mallard documentation is way nicer rendered in gecko than in webkit :) | 16:11 |
| seb128 | nice | 16:11 |
| seb128 | asac, gtk build on armel now btw | 16:18 |
| seb128 | built rather | 16:18 |
| rickspencer3 | hi stormy_ | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, bryceh, ccheney, didrocks, kenvandine, pitti, Riddell, seb128, tkamppeter, tseliot - team meeting in 4 minutes (right?) | 16:26 |
| seb128 | (no, 3) | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yup | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 16:27 |
| didrocks | yep, hey rickspencer3 ;) | 16:27 |
| * ArneGoetje is present | 16:27 | |
| Riddell | afternoon | 16:27 |
| tseliot | yep | 16:27 |
| pitti | o/ | 16:28 |
| ccheney | hi | 16:29 |
| ara | hello! | 16:29 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks ara! | 16:29 |
| rickspencer3 | the upgrade testing topic is first, so we won't take too much of your time | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-02-23 | 16:30 |
| seb128 | hey ara | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | has anyone been busy the last couple of weeks? | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | </irony> | 16:31 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, mostly playing golf :) | 16:31 |
| tseliot | nope | 16:31 |
| * rickspencer3 taps gavel | 16:31 | |
| rickspencer3 | first is actions from last meeting | 16:31 |
| bryceh | heya | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | and I was the only one with an action, and I actually did it for a change! | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | rickspencer3 to engage QA wrt upgrade testings | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | so turns out ara has an upgrade testing plan she is working on | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, any comments or thoughts? | 16:33 |
| ara | yes, sure | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade | 16:33 |
| ara | what we want is that during the next UGJ, which occurs between Beta1 and Beta2, we encourage people joining the Jam to upgrade their systems to Lucid | 16:34 |
| tkamppeter | hi | 16:34 |
| ara | we will try to train their LoCo contacts how to help others to report the bugs | 16:35 |
| ara | and look for possible regressions | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | ara is there anyway to get started looking at certain upgrade scenarios sooner? | 16:35 |
| ara | hopefully that will give us different configurations, with different drivers, packages installed, etc. | 16:35 |
| Riddell | UGJ? | 16:35 |
| ara | Ubuntu Global Jam | 16:36 |
| ara | yes, that was my next question. that maybe that was a bit late in the dev cycle | 16:36 |
| huats | hello everyone | 16:36 |
| ara | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam | 16:36 |
| ara | rickspencer3, what kind of scenarios are you most interested in? | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, also, apparantly upgrades for uses who have proprietary drivers installed has been problematic in the past | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | so folks who have been upgrading over multiple versions, and have proprietary graphics or wireless drivers | 16:37 |
| tseliot | naah :-P | 16:37 |
| pitti | one thing that woudl be particularly interesting is a dapper->hardy->lucid upgrade with nvidia drivers installed | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | anyone have any thoughts for ara about how we could work together to get some of this testing done? | 16:38 |
| ara | rickspencer3, we are running a project for people with ATI & nVIDIA cards with proprietary drivers | 16:38 |
| ara | rickspencer3, http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/xorg_prop_drivers/ | 16:38 |
| pitti | since that will exercise pretyt much all the changes that we applied to them (l-r-m -> dkms -> alternatives) | 16:38 |
| ara | rickspencer3, we can tell the same testers to test the upgrade | 16:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, I got a friend who had that broken but with ->karmic rather than ->lucid | 16:38 |
| davmor2 | pitti: I can do the multiple upgrades on nvidia but not today | 16:38 |
| seb128 | (not really a meeting topic) | 16:39 |
| ara | so, for the nVIDIA one, we have quite a long list of people willing to test things | 16:39 |
| rickspencer3 | nice | 16:39 |
| ara | here is the list of people who signed up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram | 16:39 |
| tseliot | in the case of ATI we don't have a (working) proprietary driver yet | 16:40 |
| ara | but, the difference is that it is not the same thing to ask people to install lucid fresh in a different partition | 16:40 |
| seb128 | tseliot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/467490 you might want to look at for lucid | 16:40 |
| ara | than telling them to upgrade their own system | 16:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 467490 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "nvidia drivers don't work due to -Q in obsolete /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video" [High,Triaged] | 16:40 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, what is the best way for us to engage you now, in terms of doing some testing earlier and with a few different scenarios? | 16:41 |
| rickspencer3 | should we have a call or something? | 16:41 |
| rickspencer3 | or a specific irc meeting for this topic? | 16:41 |
| ara | rickspencer3, either is fine | 16:42 |
| rickspencer3 | who here is interested in joining me in this discussion? | 16:42 |
| rickspencer3 | (question for everyone, not just Canonical staff) | 16:42 |
| tseliot | seb128: /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video shouldn't exist any more. But (unfortunately) the file is not removed because it used to live in /etc... | 16:42 |
| pitti | o/ | 16:42 |
| * rickspencer3 cues cricket noises | 16:43 | |
| seb128 | tseliot, right, need to preinst clean it | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, thanks so much for your engagement so far on this | 16:43 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, can do ;-) | 16:43 |
| tseliot | seb128: hopefully only in nvidia-common instead of doing the same thing in each driver | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll follow up with you to discuss next steps | 16:44 |
| ara | rickspencer3, sure, thanks! | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, sound ok? | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | great | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, moving on, or any last thoughts wrt upgrade testing? | 16:44 |
| pitti | tseliot: if that's a dep of all of them, cleaning up in -common is fine | 16:44 |
| tseliot | pitti: yep | 16:44 |
| * rickspencer3 has lost control of the meeting | 16:44 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: would be interesting to have mvo in the call | 16:44 |
| rickspencer3 | aaah | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, ack | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | good idea | 16:45 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: since he runs the automatic upgrade testing machinery | 16:45 |
| tseliot | pitti: actually all of the modaliases depend on nvidia-common | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, back to the agenda ... | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, partner update? | 16:45 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:45 |
| kenvandine | hopefully things are quieting down from DX, shifting to bug fix mode | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | OLS just landed the rb plugin for the music store and libubuntuone, and seeded to the CD | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | however the store isn't actually live yet, but will be by alpha-3 | 16:46 |
| rickspencer3 | kewl | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | all the "go live bits" should be server side | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | so no more changes on the desktop before going live, we think | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | ubuntuone-client no longer provides the applet, but just a preferences tool | 16:47 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, so it sounds like A3 is substantially what Ubuntu will be at release? | 16:47 |
| rickspencer3 | oops, sorry, thought you were done | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | there is more of a control panel in the works, which will land after alpha-3 pending a FFE | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | there is still a question on how you get feedback/notifications on the state of U1 file syncing | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | without the applet, you really how no status | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | which was planned for the Me Menu | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | but didn't make it | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | that's all i have | 16:48 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I logged a but on that am talking to design team about fixing that last point | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, great | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I wonder if we can just cut the control panel and bug fix from here on out | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | i bet pitti and seb128 are glad the applet is gone though :) | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to bring up stopping new work with statik | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i think there are parts of that that are important | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, ack | 16:49 |
| pitti | it's not really a benchmark thing (since U1 is off by default), but it's still a CPU killer | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | yeah, bring it up with statik | 16:50 |
| pitti | so it's nice for power consumption, etc. | 16:50 |
| rickspencer3 | but shipping is a feature, and shipping solid code is a great feature ;) | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | pitti, indeed.. pgraner had some interesting stats on that at the sprint | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yup :) | 16:50 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, yeah, the new design just needs a tweak here and there and will be much lighter in terms of UI and other overhead | 16:50 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks kenvandine | 16:50 |
| pitti | the sync daemon is pretty much the death for any battery anyway, though :) | 16:50 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, Kubuntu? | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | pitti, pgraner did some benchmarking... quite scary | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | :/ | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * generally in a good position for feature freeze | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * Qt 4.6.2 now packaged, will be uploaded after alpha freeze | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * KOffice 2 also packaged, will be uploaded after alpha freeze | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * Mozilla approved the KDE integration patches to firefox, asac reviewing for inclusion | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * Kubuntu Netbook Remix now in a working state for Lucid | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * CDs no longer oversized, yay | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * kdebindings not compiling on ARM (the important bits do compile so we can just work around the unimportant bits) | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * ubiquity currently has some bugs, at least one blocking alpha 3 | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * RC bugs http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | 16:51 |
| Riddell | * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | 16:51 |
| pitti | Riddell: oh, nice! how long did you sqeeze the CDs until they fit? :) | 16:51 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 16:52 |
| asac | the review of kde changes looks good | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks Riddell | 16:52 |
| Riddell | pitti: some gnome stuff had crept on so we threw that out and we cut out some artwork that wasn't vital | 16:52 |
| asac | will go up after a3 ... Riddell: will take care of FFed? | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | always a pleasure to see the awesome work of the Kubuntu team, you guys rock | 16:53 |
| Riddell | asac: great. yes I can | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | asac, Riddell when we have a new mozilla maintainer next week, I will ask him to engage with the KDE mozilla stuff | 16:53 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, thanks | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on ... | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | oops | 16:54 |
| rickspencer3 | forgot to put in mozilla status | 16:54 |
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| rickspencer3 | ccheney, how is the the new support model work going? | 16:54 |
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| asac | from what i know ccheney is quite close to get epiphany done | 16:55 |
| ccheney | rickspencer3: got the first pass of soup and glib done, working on webkit now | 16:55 |
| rickspencer3 | asac, overall is the project on track schedule wise? | 16:55 |
| ccheney | first pass meaning when i get to higher levels things might turn up, but they seem to work as is currently | 16:55 |
| asac | rickspencer3: as much as it can be ... | 16:55 |
| asac | the staging happens here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ffox35/+packages | 16:56 |
| asac | (sorry for reuse of ppa name) | 16:56 |
| asac | we have about one month to get the high risk apps done now | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | ug | 16:56 |
| asac | with epiphany being the most important one | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | given how long the glib/soup thing took, that sounds at risk to me | 16:56 |
| asac | rickspencer3: well, epiphany is special | 16:57 |
| asac | its a backport to a new library | 16:57 |
| asac | the others are just forward porting to xulrunner-1.9.2 and we already have a few done ... with more coming every day | 16:57 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 16:57 |
| asac | the high risks are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list at the bottom | 16:57 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to follow up on new mozilla support model work offline so he can sleep tonight | 16:58 |
| asac | good | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks asac and ccheney | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | release status | 16:58 |
| * rickspencer3 hands mic to pitti | 16:58 | |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html | 16:58 |
| pitti | so, we are pretty good for alpha-3, great job team! | 16:59 |
| pitti | pretty much the only thing that's left is boot performance | 16:59 |
| pitti | which is what I wanted to discuss a bit | 16:59 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100223.1-max-netbook.png | 16:59 |
| rickspencer3 | ! | 16:59 |
| pitti | current state of the art | 16:59 |
| pitti | I have to say that this is a very "lucky" chart | 16:59 |
| pitti | usually they look like http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100223-max-netbook.png , with a huge "dent" in teh CPU bar at the end | 17:00 |
| pitti | we have one remaining thing in the pipe (drop notify-osd startup on boot) | 17:00 |
| pitti | but then that's pretty much what we can do with sane amount of efforts | 17:00 |
| pitti | clearly we didn't reach "10 s" in the current state | 17:00 |
| pitti | so my question is, how much further do we need to push this? | 17:00 |
| pitti | I had a look at optimizing udisks, and there might be some doable things there, but we need to start it | 17:01 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to follow up with robbiew on startup time targets | 17:01 |
| pitti | and I don't know of anything obvious any more which we can drop or defer | 17:01 |
| ccheney | pitti: so there is 3s difference between reboots, or just how the install happens to lay it out on disk or what exactly? | 17:02 |
| pitti | unless anyone has a bright idea still? | 17:02 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seb128 great job!! | 17:02 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:02 |
| pitti | ccheney: no, there were a couple of package updates in between | 17:02 |
| ccheney | pitti: oh ok | 17:02 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100222-1.png | 17:02 |
| pitti | I'd say this is a typical chart | 17:02 |
| robbiew | rickspencer3: I'm fine with stopping after notify-osd work...for boot perf | 17:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, no plymouth | 17:03 |
| pitti | I have an idea how to fix the dent at the end, but it involves bad hackery | 17:03 |
| seb128 | ? | 17:03 |
| pitti | and the DX team doesn't like that | 17:03 |
| pitti | seb128: right, plymouth is terminally broken on my mini | 17:03 |
| pitti | I need to uninstall it to work with it at all | 17:03 |
| * tseliot cough cough | 17:03 | |
| rickspencer3 | everyone stop talking!! | 17:03 |
| rickspencer3 | didn't you see what robbiew just said | 17:03 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:03 |
| pitti | :) | 17:03 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:03 |
| robbiew | lol | 17:03 |
| rickspencer3 | j/k | 17:03 |
| pitti | so, I think we can do some remaining thing and get a consistent 12 s | 17:04 |
| pitti | with 11 on lucky cases | 17:04 |
| pitti | another thing | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | that's a *real* 12 s right? | 17:04 |
| didrocks | that's celebration day, so. End of bootspeed fight? ;) | 17:04 |
| pitti | bootchart itself has 8% overhead | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | not under magical never actually achieved circumstances | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, not quite, but soon | 17:04 |
| pitti | i. e. if bootchart says 11 s, it's 10.3 without boot chart | 17:04 |
| pitti | robbiew: ^ | 17:04 |
| robbiew | sorry to barge in...just saying that given where we are at in the release cycle, we shouldn't be doing any invasive changes to meet bootspeed targets | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks robbiew | 17:04 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: Scott's charts are the bare, brutal reality | 17:04 |
| pitti | no hacks at all | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | you didn't barge in, we summoned you | 17:05 |
| pitti | clean install | 17:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I would say fight just start, we need to stay there ;-) | 17:05 |
| pitti | robbiew: do you know how much I love you for saying that? | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I was referring to certain other demos that show fast boot by other distros ;) | 17:05 |
| pitti | lol | 17:05 |
| robbiew | do you know how much I love you for the work you've done with work item tracker :P | 17:05 |
| * rickspencer3 doesn't want to start trolling other communities | 17:05 | |
| pitti | we got 59 work items done for this! | 17:05 |
| pitti | and 3 in progress | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | robbiew, be careful what you ask for, the desktop team will actually do it! | 17:06 |
| * rickspencer3 sinff | 17:06 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:06 |
| pitti | ok, so I consider optimizing udisks as a hobby thing | 17:06 |
| pitti | (it's strange, it only started to eat so much CPU recently; nothing serious changed since that in udisks itself) | 17:06 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, based on my experience that means we can expect to see it in the distro on Monday? | 17:06 |
| rickspencer3 | j/k | 17:07 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: absolutely | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, thanks for the update | 17:07 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: libnotify is in the desktop PPA | 17:07 |
| pitti | just blocked by the A3 freeze | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | so pursuant to robbiew's point | 17:07 |
| pitti | and nm-applet/g-p-m are in the works | 17:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, soft freeze, just upload ;-) | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | what work items do we have for post A3? | 17:07 |
| * rickspencer3 would he happy to see an empty list here | 17:07 | |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html | 17:07 |
| pitti | 2/3 of it is "DX integration" (hello kenvandine) | 17:07 |
| seb128 | urg | 17:07 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | right | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | so the other 1/3 | 17:08 |
| pitti | most bits are just stragglers from alpha-3 (some cleanup, wirting docs, QA) | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | can we cut those? | 17:08 |
| qense | wasn't the red part supposed to become smaller? :O | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | ah, that kind of stuff | 17:08 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gdmsetup | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | cut | 17:08 |
| pitti | that's a target of opportunity, seb128's pet project | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:08 |
| pitti | and I'd really like to see it | 17:08 |
| pitti | with an afternoon's work we can make a huge difference there | 17:08 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, but we can't have our cake and eat it too | 17:08 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-language-selector | 17:09 |
| seb128 | I just need to stop sleeping | 17:09 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:09 |
| pitti | I added that one as well as a target of opportunity | 17:09 |
| didrocks | oh, seb128's stole on my done WI on gdmsetup :-) | 17:09 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm not saying "no" but an afternoon's work is one or two bugs fixed | 17:09 |
| * didrocks runs and cries ;) | 17:09 | |
| pitti | seb128: "ToP"; if it's not done, it's not done | 17:09 |
| * pitti desperately points to the "Low" priority | 17:09 | |
| rickspencer3 | and bug fixes can push ToP out of the release | 17:09 |
| pitti | absolutely | 17:09 |
| pitti | sorry, "ToO" actually :) | 17:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you want some WIs I can give you some too... | 17:10 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html is really nice, though :) | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, but just be aware that any new work is a direct trade for quality | 17:10 |
| pitti | "how precise can you draw a bar to 3.0000000 work items" | 17:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, as a pet project gdmsetup can be fun ;) | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, I'll get off my soapbox now | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, done? | 17:11 |
| pitti | done | 17:11 |
| pitti | other than that, bug hunting time! | 17:11 |
| pitti | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/lucid-fixes-report.html | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, thank you ... you have done an amazing job navigating the team through a huge amount of work this cycle | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | really remarkable leadership | 17:11 |
| pitti | we need to crank the number to >= 5000 | 17:11 |
| * rickspencer3 does little solute | 17:11 | |
| pitti | *blush* | 17:11 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, nice list, let's crash qa.ubuntu because it can't handle how big the list will get! | 17:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, I just closed a bunch of desktop-lucid-dx-integration beta-1 items | 17:12 |
| pitti | seb128: yay you | 17:12 |
| seb128 | the blueprint has things which were already done, like compiz changes and some dx tasks | 17:12 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ... or firefox :) | 17:12 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 17:12 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, moving on, one last quick topic, from me | 17:13 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo has brought into being the Featured category for software-center | 17:13 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell made a great suggestion for how to fill it up | 17:13 |
| rickspencer3 | here are my thoughts, please comment ... | 17:13 |
| rickspencer3 | rickspencer3 starts a blueprint | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | define ideal number of featured apps | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | define criteria for featured apps | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | Is a GUI app | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | Does not replace a default app | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | Does not replace another featured app | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | Is well designed for the task and robust - makes the platform look good | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | solicit suggestions from blueprint | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | desktop team goes through list and picks | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | oops, lost the formatting | 17:14 |
| pitti | things like... | 17:14 |
| pitti | GIMP!!! | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | the basic idea is that we get the community to suggest apps, and we go through and compare them to criteria and decide in this meeting | 17:14 |
| pitti | I suppose? | 17:14 |
| pitti | or inkscape? | 17:14 |
| didrocks | "Does not replace a default app" -> Abiword is already in the "featured" list and it replaces OOo | 17:14 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, yeah, good point | 17:15 |
| rickspencer3 | maybe that's not a great criteria | 17:15 |
| pitti | I actually like that criterion | 17:15 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, maybe there should be a shade of meaning to it | 17:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the current list is random pick from mvo right now | 17:15 |
| pitti | one of Ubuntu's founding principles is to select the best app for one purpose, after all | 17:15 |
| mvo | I just put abiword in because gimp was lonely | 17:15 |
| seb128 | just to have something there | 17:15 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 17:15 | |
| rickspencer3 | like abi is a work processor, and writer is a word processor, but they don't replace each other | 17:15 |
| mvo | I'm fine with whatever policy we come up with :) | 17:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, great work! | 17:16 |
| pitti | mvo: inkscape would be a great addition, I think | 17:16 |
| * pitti cheers and hugs mvo | 17:16 | |
| * rickspencer3 would bring up that mvo has also added PPAs to software-center but doesn't want to derail the meeting | 17:16 | |
| jcastro | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~b-sides/b-sides/trunk/annotate/head:/minimal-all <-- I started a list here | 17:16 |
| jcastro | there is some crack there but a bunch of those meet your criteria | 17:16 |
| pitti | b-sides, awesome! | 17:16 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seb128 thoughts on me starting a blueprint for this? | 17:16 |
| jcastro | we are talking about "fifth toe" like apps like from back in the day | 17:16 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, +1 | 17:16 |
| rickspencer3 | seems like the right place to discuss and get feedback on a "feature" | 17:17 |
| didrocks | I mostly agree with abiword being there. Just point the "replace" this. I don't know how to say "don't replace completely a default app" or "have a different targeted audience"? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, blueprint, wikipage, as you want | 17:17 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: keeping a list in a wiki page seems better, but I don't mind much | 17:17 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I'll go blueprint, seems more "official" | 17:17 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:17 |
| pitti | with BP we'll have WIs | 17:17 |
| * mvo hugs jcastro for the name | 17:17 | |
| rickspencer3 | I have an idea, I'll take care of it | 17:17 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:17 |
| LaserJock | could brainstorm be used for this app review? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | wiki makes easier to keep track of who changes what to | 17:17 |
| jcastro | mvo: the reason I didn't push b-sides as a project was that I knew it would come handy in software center some day. | 17:17 |
| mvo | heh :) | 17:18 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to start blueprint to define criteria and associated wiki page to capture list of Featured apps | 17:18 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:18 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 17:18 |
| pitti | lucid rocks | 17:18 |
| pitti | (once we get plymouth fixed *cough*) | 17:19 |
| bryceh | rickspencer3, I think you have to exclude abiword | 17:19 |
| tseliot | :-) | 17:19 |
| rickspencer3 | bryceh, because it's in Universe? | 17:19 |
| bryceh | if there start being exceptions to "does not replace..." then the peanut gallery is going to start requesting alternatives for >everything< | 17:19 |
| rickspencer3 | bryceh, right, we'll have to define it carefully | 17:19 |
| rickspencer3 | I | 17:19 |
| LaserJock | so TBird is out? :-) | 17:20 |
| didrocks | so, no vlc as well? | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | m thinking of including Use Case or something | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | good points | 17:20 |
| didrocks | that's the issue with popular softwares ;) | 17:20 |
| bryceh | there's plenty of good apps out there | 17:20 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | I just don't think we need 5 photo organizers, tbh | 17:20 |
| jcastro | right | 17:20 |
| jcastro | it should be "the rest of the disc" | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | that was the one that concerned me the most | 17:20 |
| bryceh | it's good that we're defining one complete set that is our opinion of "the best collection" | 17:20 |
| rickspencer3 | how about "no more than 1 replacement app"? | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | let's call the meeting done, but continue this discussion as desired? | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, sound ok? | 17:21 |
| bryceh | rickspencer3, stay firm :-) | 17:21 |
| jcastro | apps that would be awesome to have but might be too corner case or not enough room. A person should be able to select them all and install them and have a better ubuntu overall, not more mp3 players, etc. | 17:21 |
| seb128 | I would say 0 duplicate | 17:21 |
| bryceh | I really hate open office, but I do think this is the right way to go | 17:21 |
| LaserJock | perhaps "if it is a replacment app it should have a distinguising use case" or something | 17:21 |
| * rickspencer3 taps gavel | 17:21 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I'd rather have no replacement apps at first, TBH | 17:21 |
| pitti | but let's see how the lists turn out | 17:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, ++ | 17:21 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, so no tbird, no abiword | 17:22 |
| pitti | we can categorize them by "replacement app" and "entirely new crack" | 17:22 |
| jcastro | rickspencer3: these are the criteria I used: http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/attack-of-the-killer-bs/ | 17:22 |
| didrocks | 0 seems good as well to me, just be careful and prepared to have a lot of "why xxx isn't there as it's more famous than default app" (like vlc) | 17:22 |
| rickspencer3 | but also no (list of music players, list of photo organizers) | 17:22 |
| * rickspencer3 looks | 17:22 | |
| bryceh | didrocks, that's fine, and it's another kind of discussion and a good one to have | 17:22 |
| * mvo will split this out into its own source package "app-install-data-featured" owned by ~ubuntu-core-dev | 17:23 | |
| didrocks | bryceh: I'm not afraid of the discussion, just by the number of duplicates of this discussion we will have ;) But well, thinking about it, it makes full sense to have 0 duplicate | 17:23 |
| rickspencer3 | jcastro, thanks, your criteria makes sense | 17:23 |
| rickspencer3 | we need to phrase the no dupes correctly | 17:23 |
| rickspencer3 | because afterall you can edit photos with f-spot, so why include Gimp? | 17:24 |
| pitti | FSVO "edit" | 17:24 |
| rickspencer3 | (obviously we should include the gimp imo) | 17:24 |
| rickspencer3 | FSVO? | 17:24 |
| pitti | "250 times the number of features" != "replacement" :) | 17:24 |
| bryceh | rickspencer3, or that owriter can edit text files just as good as gedit ;-) | 17:24 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 17:24 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: "for some value of" | 17:25 |
| didrocks | bryceh: let's remove OOo then :) | 17:25 |
| didrocks | bryceh: oupsss, already tried ;) | 17:25 |
| bryceh | didrocks, okay! | 17:25 |
| ccheney | heh | 17:25 |
| pitti | bryceh: svgalib can draw rectangles as well as X can | 17:25 |
| pitti | *cough* | 17:25 |
| bryceh | pitti, wayland ftw | 17:25 |
| jcastro | we'll need to phrase it carefully so we don't end up with alternate docks and tweak apps and other crack | 17:25 |
| jcastro | otherwise people will start filing bugs on things we can't support | 17:25 |
| seb128 | they do that all the time | 17:25 |
| bryceh | lol | 17:26 |
| jcastro | "I got this XML optimizer and my gconf file is a mess!" | 17:26 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, so I think "does not substantially overlap existing functionality", "does not add significant amounts of new functionality" | 17:26 |
| seb128 | they will not stop because you write a guideline | 17:26 |
| pitti | good thing we have a "wontfix" button | 17:26 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: that sounds good | 17:26 |
| jcastro | seb128: yeah but we shouldn't encourage that in software-center I think | 17:26 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: i. e. "gimp in", "banshee out"? | 17:26 |
| rickspencer3 | but the overall point is that Featured "adds" apps to your desktop, does not replace existing apps | 17:26 |
| bryceh | seb128, I guess the reasoning is to have something documented to point to when we say "no" | 17:26 |
| seb128 | right | 17:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ""does not add significant amounts of new functionality"" ... -not? | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, what do you think about the idea of the desktop team being the arbiters of the list, determining what is in and out"? | 17:27 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, makes sense | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | Us being anyone who shows up to the desktop team meetings regularly | 17:27 |
| pitti | it's basically an extension of the seeds | 17:27 |
| seb128 | we are already doing that for the default desktop | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, I think I know what to do | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | and there will be a blueprint to discuss | 17:28 |
| pitti | mvo: actually, could we handle that in the seeds, or does it need to be maintained somewhere else? | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo, are you happy with that? | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | looks like a break at the hack fest :) | 17:28 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:28 |
| mvo | pitti: of course you can maintain this featured package | 17:29 |
| pitti | mvo: ah, it's a package of .desktop files? | 17:29 |
| tgpraveen12 | is the me menu supposed to show me my pic beside my name when the menu is clicked? because currently it only shows the defaul pic holder picture | 17:29 |
| mvo | pitti: its just a menu file in menu.d | 17:29 |
| tgpraveen12 | is that known? | 17:29 |
| mvo | pitti: app-install/menu.d | 17:29 |
| jcastro | tgpraveen12: known bug | 17:30 |
| mvo | rickspencer3: I'm fine with whatever policy you/your team comes up with | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo, <3 | 17:30 |
| pitti | mvo: I see, danke | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo - thanks so much for the PPA access in the software-center | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | ! | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | I think it works really nicely | 17:30 |
| jcastro | yeah mvo that is /sweet/ | 17:30 |
| mvo | :) | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | so now you can install apps from PPAs totally graphically!! | 17:31 |
| * mvo is happy, kudos to tremolux who did most of the work | 17:31 | |
| rickspencer3 | thanks tremolux!! | 17:31 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: EOM? | 17:31 |
| bryceh | can't wait to use it | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, yeah, a while ago | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I thought I said like twice :/ | 17:32 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 17:32 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:32 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | thank you pitti | 17:32 |
| * pitti -> sister's 30th birthday party | 17:32 | |
| rickspencer3 | and great job on boot time | 17:32 |
| pitti | I'm off for tonight then | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, are you going to give her Ubuntu for her birthday? | 17:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, enjoy | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I can get you a good deal on a disc | 17:32 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: doesn't work, she's already using it :) | 17:33 |
| * ccheney bbia running to store for medicine | 17:33 | |
| pitti | although Jaunty | 17:33 |
| pitti | I only see her three times a year, and her computer even less often | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | well, when she sees SFTS features, she'll want Lucid | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | bye bye pitti | 17:33 |
| baptistemm | mvo, if you can comment on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/bluez/+bug/519357 | 17:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 519357 in bluez "conffile prompt on upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04" [High,New] | 17:33 |
| === baptistemm is now known as bmm_work | ||
| LaserJock | any empathy gurus around? | 17:51 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - all of the presence items in the me menu are insensitive when i open empathy at the moment (so I can't change my presence status), but they become sensitive if i restart the panel. is that an issue you're aware of? | 17:56 |
| chrisccoulson | or perhaps i broke something here? ;) | 17:56 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: the gpm bug you discussed was with Alt + 7, right? | 17:59 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - you might have to remind me which bug ;) | 17:59 |
| chrisccoulson | gpm has a lot of them.... | 17:59 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I just remembered you were testing keycode | 18:00 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, you should just ask tour question | 18:00 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - ah, that was for the display-mode switching (Fn+F8), which is handled by g-s-d | 18:00 |
| chrisccoulson | on my laptop, the combination produces the same scancode as the "p" key | 18:00 |
| Nafai | chrisccoulson, I'm seeing something similar (well, I haven't tried resetarting the panel, but presense isn't showing up) | 18:00 |
| chrisccoulson | Nafai - thanks. so it's not just me then ;) | 18:01 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: oh ok, not that one so, I have now a strange behavior with Alt + 7 (which is used to switch window on weechat, for instance ;)) | 18:01 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - what behaviour do you see? | 18:01 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: it's drawing some kind of square as when you didn't release Alt+tab around the focused window | 18:02 |
| chrisccoulson | is that alt+7 or alt+f7? | 18:03 |
| didrocks | Alt + 7 | 18:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hmm, i'm not sure about that. that's not handled by anything on my laptop | 18:03 |
| didrocks | (with the shift modifier in an azerty keyboard to get the 7) ;) | 18:03 |
| didrocks | we'll see tomorrow, that's not my laptop day btw, starting with a nvidia crash, and so on :) | 18:04 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - you use nvidia? | 18:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: right, the blob driver | 18:05 |
| vish | seb128: could you have a look at Bug #526599 , does it have enough info for the gnome-keyring bug? | 18:06 |
| ubottu | Bug 526599 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/526599 is private | 18:06 |
| chrisccoulson | vish - you might need to subscribe people to that. it's got nobody subscribed to it yet | 18:07 |
| chrisccoulson | did you just submit it now via apport? | 18:07 |
| LaserJock | seb128: I'm trying to get advice on bug #526593 which I just filed. I don't know if it's empathy's fault or telepathy or ? | 18:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526593 in empathy "Jabber messages are silently dropped in empathy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526593 | 18:07 |
| vish | chrisccoulson: i wasnt able to run full gdb :s , i just submitted it now. | 18:08 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, you can try asking #telepathy | 18:08 |
| seb128 | vish, can you subscribe me to the bug? | 18:08 |
| LaserJock | seb128: ok | 18:08 |
| seb128 | vish, it has not been retraced yet I don't have access | 18:08 |
| vish | seb128: try now , just sub'd you | 18:09 |
| seb128 | vish, thanks | 18:09 |
| vish | np.. | 18:09 |
| seb128 | vish, is your password in the stacktrace? | 18:10 |
| kenvandine | seb128, working on empathy... patch isn't building, should have it fixed soon | 18:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok thanks | 18:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, what update is supposed to add an icon to the ubuntu one store? | 18:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, but I still don't have one there | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | humm | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | the one you sponsored for me | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | 0.0.2-0ubuntu2 | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | i think | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | yup | 18:35 |
| seb128 | oh, let me try that | 18:35 |
| seb128 | I didn't actually build this one, just looked at the diff and uploaded | 18:35 |
| seb128 | I though the fix was in yesterday's one | 18:36 |
| ArneGoetje | bzr unshelve | 18:38 |
| ArneGoetje | wrong window... | 18:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok works | 18:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sorry for the noise ;-) | 18:39 |
| kenvandine | np :) | 18:39 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i will work on that gpm and gsd fix now, but it's probably too late for a3 isn't it? | 18:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, soft freeze, we might squeeze those | 18:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 18:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I didn't manage to do gsd today sorry | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i think we can wait. if it was going to cause any crashes, people would probably have reported it by now | 18:41 |
| seb128 | I always make plans for the day and keep adding stuff | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | and i checked through all the latest crash reports today | 18:41 |
| seb128 | and never get everything I wanted done finished ;-) | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 18:41 |
| jcastro | whoever does g-s-d there is a pending patch for app indicators too! | 18:42 |
| * jcastro tries to sneak in the planet | 18:42 | |
| ArneGoetje | seb128, kenvandine: I have a problem with gdm... cannot login anymore... :( When clicking on my username or hitting enter, gdm refreshes the screen and displays the same screen again. Then I select my username again and the bottom bat with the language selection and stuff appears, but there is no password field where I could enter my password... just a cancel button... :( Any idea? | 18:43 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - that depends on quite a large libgnomekbs patch doesn't it? | 18:43 |
| * jcastro whistles | 18:43 | |
| chrisccoulson | that's going to take some reviewing ;) | 18:43 |
| chrisccoulson | probably best to wait for after a3 for that one | 18:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yes | 18:45 |
| seb128 | jcastro, we might be able to squeeze gnome-bluetooth or vino in ;-) | 18:45 |
| seb128 | are those ready? | 18:45 |
| jcastro | he's going as fast as he can | 18:45 |
| seb128 | no hurry | 18:45 |
| chrisccoulson | is there any more appindicator work left to do? | 18:45 |
| jcastro | I told him to not hurry | 18:45 |
| seb128 | I just didn't check emails today | 18:45 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yes but help on reviewing things first would be welcome | 18:45 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: a few more. gnome-bt, vino, brasero should be ready today/tomorrow (probably post a3) | 18:46 |
| seb128 | we have people writting code now | 18:46 |
| seb128 | but be block on reviewing | 18:46 |
| jcastro | after that gnome-1-polkit is all, after that it's stuff in main but not on the CD, so those will be opportunistic | 18:46 |
| jcastro | and fixing gnome-cc is still on the list to fix | 18:47 |
| seb128 | what is broken there? | 18:47 |
| jcastro | but it's mostly done and in lucid already | 18:47 |
| jcastro | the display properties checbox | 18:47 |
| bryceh | james_w, you are brilliant. thanks | 18:47 |
| jcastro | doesn't use GtkStatusIcon so it never showed up until I went through the app and found it | 18:47 |
| jcastro | seb128: the icon that has the green/pink things in it for display stuff | 18:48 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - that's gnome-settings-daemon | 18:48 |
| jcastro | is it? | 18:48 |
| jcastro | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/497875 | 18:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497875 in gnome-settings-daemon "Support Application Indicators" [Wishlist,In progress] | 18:48 |
| jcastro | is that bug | 18:48 |
| chrisccoulson | that's just for the keyboard indicator stuff? | 18:49 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: whichever one does "display preferences" | 18:49 |
| james_w | bryceh: \o/ | 18:50 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - the display preferences is part of gnome-cc, but the status icon is drawn by the xrandr plugin in g-s-d | 18:50 |
| jcastro | Nafai: you found where that display icon was being done right? | 18:50 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: ah ok. | 18:50 |
| chrisccoulson | the xrandr icon is a difficult one to port | 18:50 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: after he finishes brasero, vino, and gnome-bt that will be next on his list | 18:50 |
| dobey | vish: ping | 18:50 |
| vish | dobey: pong | 18:51 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: if it's hard maybe we should ask jpetersen to start on it immediately? | 18:51 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - the issue is when you open the menu, g-s-d draws an identifier label on each screen, so you know which screen you're adjusting | 18:52 |
| jcastro | right | 18:52 |
| chrisccoulson | but i don't think appindicator supports that | 18:52 |
| dobey | vish: can you change the emblem-ubuntuone-unsynchronized in Humanity to be actually different than the -synchronizing one? | 18:52 |
| * vish checks what the icon is | 18:52 | |
| dobey | vish: i think it's two gray arrows, while synchronizing is the same two arrows with colors | 18:53 |
| vish | dobey: ah , those were the icons you sent me earlier to be included in the theme [i think] | 18:54 |
| vish | isnt it -updating , btw? | 18:54 |
| dobey | no | 18:54 |
| dobey | vish: this is the emblems, not the panel status icons | 18:54 |
| dobey | (the panel status icons can be removed even) | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - would you mind trying the gpm or gsd change once i've pushed them to bzr? I still can't reproduce those warnings here.... | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | i must be very unlucky! | 18:55 |
| vish | dobey: ah ,right | 18:55 |
| vish | dobey: ok , i'll update them soon | 18:55 |
| dobey | vish: I suspect people are assuming that the grey arrows means that stuff is synchronizing, even though it isn't | 18:56 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: when ted gets back let's snag him and see what he says | 18:57 |
| dobey | vish: so having it be something visibly different would be useful. the same emblem in ubuntuone-client-gnome is a cloud with the red (X) on top | 18:57 |
| vish | yeah , quite misleadin | 18:57 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: maybe he'll have some insight on how to do it | 18:57 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - yeah, possibly | 18:57 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 18:57 |
| dobey | vish: thanks | 18:57 |
| vish | dobey: sure will fix it , bte , the name is now changed from emblem-ubuntuone-updating.svg , to -synchronizing.svg ? | 18:58 |
| vish | btw* | 18:58 |
| dobey | vish: oh no, it's still -updating | 18:59 |
| vish | k.. | 18:59 |
| dobey | vish: sorry. i just misremembered the name | 18:59 |
| vish | np.. | 18:59 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: then we'll just add a comment to the g-s-d bug so when he wakes up tomorrow he'll know what to do | 18:59 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: did you encounter the issue on bug #411788? You assigned it to me and it wasn't on my bug list for lucid as it's target 1. on jolicloud which isn't Ubuntu 2. jolicloud is based on jaunty netbook-launcher version, not karmic | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 411788 in netbook-launcher "Mouse feedback off by quite a bit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411788 | 19:00 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, no, I just saw it | 19:00 |
| rickspencer3 | do with it as you will | 19:00 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: jolicloud is not ubuntu and it's based on jaunty version, so, it's not even karmic ubuntu-launcher :) I'll just unassign | 19:01 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks didrocks | 19:01 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: don't know if you look at my activity report but I put the bug page in shape at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNE/lucid-bugs | 19:01 |
| Nafai | jcastro, Well, I found the code where the display settings was | 19:01 |
| didrocks | y/w :) | 19:01 |
| Nafai | jcastro, but I haven't looked at it closely | 19:02 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, k | 19:02 |
| jcastro | Nafai: ok don't worry about it for now, concentrate on the three you have now and when ted comes back I'll figure it out and see about putting jpetersen on it | 19:02 |
| Nafai | ok | 19:03 |
| jcastro | gnome-bt on the panel for A3 would be sooooo nice. | 19:03 |
| * dobey wonders why people need a bluetooth icon on their panels | 19:07 | |
| jcastro | dobey: to shut it off from sucking my battery. :p | 19:09 |
| dobey | ah | 19:10 |
| dobey | "to work around other problems in the system" :) | 19:10 |
| === fate_ is now known as fate | ||
| vish | dobey: when does the icon show up? when a sync fails or as soon as a file is added? | 19:30 |
| dobey | vish: the unsynchronized icon? | 19:31 |
| vish | yeah | 19:31 |
| dobey | vish: It should show up on a file whenever the file needs updating (either you just added it, or it changed remotely) | 19:32 |
| dobey | or it changed locally | 19:32 |
| vish | ah , thanks.. | 19:32 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, pitti, it's not my gpm patch that makes notify-osd start at the beginning of the session | 19:33 |
| chrisccoulson | phew :) | 19:33 |
| chrisccoulson | it's the upstream notification code | 19:33 |
| rickspencer3 | all ... nice little posting from a Mac switcher: | 19:49 |
| rickspencer3 | http://www.starryhope.com/linux/ubuntu/2010/os-x-to-ubuntu-2-years-later/ | 19:49 |
| rickspencer3 | note the section on the Gimp for a real user's perspective on image editing | 19:50 |
| * rickspencer3 off to lunch/gym | 19:50 | |
| seb128 | bratsche, hi! | 20:49 |
| bratsche | Hey seb128 | 20:49 |
| seb128 | bratsche, I did upload your chromium csd fix this morning | 20:50 |
| seb128 | bratsche, the awn bug seems a different one | 20:50 |
| seb128 | could be similar to bug #524869? | 20:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524869 in gtk+2.0 "Login window has title bar with buttons and frame" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524869 | 20:50 |
| bratsche | seb128: Did you upload my second patch? The one with the one-liner fix in it? | 20:51 |
| bratsche | Because that one causes Chromium to have WM decorations when it shouldn't, and I think that's maybe the same problem awn has. | 20:52 |
| bratsche | Uhh.. I mean, the first patch causes that. The second patch fixes it. | 20:52 |
| seb128 | bratsche, yes | 20:52 |
| seb128 | bratsche, 0ubuntu6 fixes the chromium issue | 20:52 |
| seb128 | bratsche, cf bug #526589 | 20:52 |
| bratsche | Oh, but awn still has an issue then? | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526589 in gtk+2.0 "Windows are being decorated that shouldn't be (Chromium and Audacious for example)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526589 | 20:52 |
| bratsche | Ah | 20:52 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I identified the code in nm-applet as well; should be easy to fix | 20:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, heh, aren't you supposed to be away tonight? | 20:53 |
| pitti | seb128: just returned | 20:54 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 20:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, pretend you didn't and enjoy your evening :p | 20:54 |
| pitti | it was the small kind of party, with parents and grandparents | 20:54 |
| seb128 | I see | 20:54 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I'm going to | 20:54 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 20:54 |
| pitti | but I have this nm-applet/notify-osd thing in my head, y'know :) | 20:54 |
| seb128 | btw did you look at how much difference my lazy icon loading change do? | 20:55 |
| seb128 | I've been looking at recent charts but there is no cpu use near the line now | 20:55 |
| seb128 | not sure why, I would expect the change to improve that but not to delete the cpu use | 20:56 |
| pitti | seb128: it's not easy to see | 20:56 |
| pitti | seb128: since the cutoff point is mostly before the point when nm-appplet connects these days | 20:56 |
| pitti | we've gotten too good :) | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | nice problem to have i guess | 20:57 |
| seb128 | lol | 20:57 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks for empathy update ;-) | 20:57 |
| pitti | seb128: I hardly see that nm-applet blob at all any more, though | 20:57 |
| kenvandine | np | 20:57 |
| pitti | seb128: perhaps it's just entirely gone now? | 20:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, so the change seems to work fine ;-) | 20:57 |
| seb128 | I was expecting it to cut most of the cpu use but still having some | 20:57 |
| seb128 | maybe it was over what I was expecting and it's not noticable now | 20:58 |
| pitti | seb128: I have 9 charts on the mini, and on neither of them is that late CPU blib | 20:58 |
| pitti | blip | 20:58 |
| seb128 | in any case I guess we can consider it fixed now | 20:58 |
| pitti | which seems to indicate that it's working perfectly :) | 20:58 |
| seb128 | excellent ;-) | 20:58 |
| pitti | seb128: absolutely | 20:58 |
| pitti | the actual connection happens much much later here (needs to wait for password in keyring dialog) | 20:58 |
| pitti | that's why I don't see it at all any more, I suppose | 20:58 |
| seb128 | I will try on a wired eth tomorrow | 20:59 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti - that's good that it's easy to fix | 20:59 |
| seb128 | I plan to reinstall my mini tomorrow | 20:59 |
| pitti | seb128: look at this: http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100219.1-max-netbook.png | 20:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm just testing gpm now | 20:59 |
| pitti | seb128: it's clearly there | 20:59 |
| pitti | seb128: and nothing on this one: http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100223.1-max-netbook.png | 20:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: nm-applet does a notify_init() and a capability query right in its constructor | 20:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm going to move the capability flag into a function which does lazy initialization | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - that's pretty much what gpm is doing too. but the return value of the capabilities are never used anywhere | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | so i just removed the whole check ;) | 21:00 |
| pitti | yay | 21:01 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent, that works | 21:01 |
| chrisccoulson | shall i wait until A3 before uploading now? | 21:01 |
| chrisccoulson | there's no urgency is there? | 21:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: is it just that change? or did you have something else? | 21:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: no urgency release-wise, just mentally getting rid of this topic :) | 21:02 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - there's also a change which should fix a memory error, that i still can't recreate (bug 525220) | 21:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525220 in gnome-settings-daemon "IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `GsdOsdNotification' has no property named `\u0002'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525220 | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i can hold off until after we're unfrozen though, as it doesn't seem to cause any other issues | 21:03 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: sounds good to me to upload; do you think it has a non-trivial regression potential? | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, the regression potential is fairly minimal | 21:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: go ahead then | 21:04 |
| seb128 | yeah, upload | 21:04 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks | 21:05 |
| pitti | thanks to you! | 21:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, are you near of the computer with the menu issue btw? | 21:06 |
| pitti | asac: I'd like to do a small nm-applet patch; how do you want this handled? should I upload, push my branch somewhere and ask you to merge? or do you want to review/merge first before upload? or..? | 21:06 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i am. i'm on it at the moment | 21:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll take a look at that again later | 21:08 |
| seb128 | ok | 21:08 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, maybe start by local if there is any menu config in .config or .local | 21:08 |
| seb128 | and if the menu editor have the same issue | 21:08 |
| kenvandine | seb128, that latest gtk patch you uploaded, does that make evo suck less? | 21:16 |
| kenvandine | because mine is indeed sucking less :) | 21:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, yes, cody fixed the slowness issue | 21:16 |
| kenvandine | great | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | :) | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | it really is much better | 21:17 |
| seb128 | see ;-) | 21:17 |
| * kenvandine is a much happier camper | 21:17 | |
| * kenvandine hugs bratsche and seb128 | 21:18 | |
| seb128 | still can't believe nobody noticed | 21:18 |
| * seb128 hugs bratsche and kenvandine | 21:18 | |
| * ccheney found out he had to go to the doctor, no OTC stuff available, then he prescribed $18/pill medication not covered by insurance so waiting for it to be changed now :( | 21:18 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, after you pointed it out... i really can't believe i didn't notice.. | 21:19 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 21:19 |
| seb128 | anyway it's fixed now so all good | 21:19 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - gpm is just uploading now. do you want to sponsor the gsd upload too? (that has the same fix in as gpm) | 21:20 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, sure! | 21:20 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 21:21 |
| seb128 | thank you ;-) | 21:21 |
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson, did someone sayd you were awesome | 21:21 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm, thanks ;) | 21:21 |
| aquarius | hrm. All my windows are determined to have window decorations, even ones like chromium and guake which aren't supposed to. :) | 21:25 |
| seb128 | aquarius, what libgtk2.0-0 version do you use? | 21:25 |
| aquarius | 2.19.5-1ubuntu6 according to dpkg | 21:26 |
| kklimonda | my evolution-data-server-2.28 is using a lot of cpu - does this backtrace from gdb attached to running eds make any sense: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382541/ ? | 21:26 |
| seb128 | aquarius, did you restart your app since? | 21:26 |
| aquarius | heh. maybe I didn't restart after upgrading. that's a good point ;) | 21:27 |
| seb128 | aquarius, could you try? | 21:27 |
| aquarius | ok, chromium now has no window decorations (hooray, and oops, I am stupid), but guake still does | 21:29 |
| seb128 | aquarius, bug 524869 | 21:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524869 in gtk+2.0 "Login window has title bar with buttons and frame" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524869 | 21:29 |
| seb128 | aquarius, bug #524869 I guess | 21:29 |
| seb128 | ups | 21:29 |
| seb128 | not sure what guake is | 21:30 |
| seb128 | but that's the remaining known issue | 21:30 |
| aquarius | seb128, yeah, that's probably it. I'll go fill in some details | 21:30 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:30 |
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| seb128 | bratsche, wb | 21:43 |
| seb128 | bratsche, aquarius has decorations issue with "quake" too | 21:43 |
| seb128 | whatever that is | 21:43 |
| seb128 | ups | 21:43 |
| seb128 | "guake" | 21:43 |
| aquarius | guake. It's a drop-down terminal | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | guake looks pretty neat. i'm just installing it now ;) | 21:46 |
| * bratsche installs | 21:46 | |
| bratsche | Uhh. | 21:46 |
| bratsche | I installed it, but it refuses to run. | 21:46 |
| aquarius | I love it to bits, to the point where if I'm on someone else's machine I get annoyed by not being able to drop down a terminal with F2. :) | 21:47 |
| bratsche | Oh I see. | 21:48 |
| pitti | asac: wrt. nm-applet, I reported that upstream (gnome bug 610881) and I'll send the git formatted patch there | 21:48 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 610881 in nm-applet "detect notification server capabilities on demand only" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610881 | 21:48 |
| bratsche | What's the pygtk equivalent to g_object_set()? | 21:49 |
| seb128 | bratsche, gobject.set_properties()? | 21:54 |
| seb128 | bratsche, http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygobject/class-gobject.html#method-gobject--set-property | 21:54 |
| aquarius | obj.set_property("use-markup", True) # or whatever | 21:54 |
| aquarius | or obj.props.use_markup = True # but I don't really understand .props and therefore don't trust it | 21:55 |
| bratsche | seb128: Yeah, I just found it. Unfortunately apparently the property I need is a construct-only property. | 21:55 |
| bratsche | I guess I need to change that. | 21:55 |
| TheMuso | didrocks: Thanks for switching yelp back to xulrunner. The GNOME and Ubuntu a11y community thanks you for it. :) | 21:56 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, we had no strong opinion from the start, you should have raised it as a concern if that was one | 21:57 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, we tried because debian did it and the gecko version had speed issues | 21:57 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, we wouldn't have switched if somebody pointed there was a11y issues | 21:58 |
| seb128 | well next time please ping when we break something | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, do you know much about omf files? It looks like Mallard docs don't generate one | 21:58 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 21:58 |
| TheMuso | ok | 21:58 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 21:58 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, omf has,were used for indexing | 21:59 |
| TheMuso | seb128: I wasn't awawre we had switched until I was informed of it a day or so ago. | 21:59 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, robert_ancell did that start of the cycle | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so it's obsolete now? | 21:59 |
| TheMuso | seb128: Ah ok. | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610806 | 21:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I'm not sure, that's one of the reason we did the 2.29 update today | 21:59 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 610806 in gnotravex "Conversion to Mallard documentation removed omf file." [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 21:59 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, didrocks had been talking to shaum on IRC | 22:00 |
| seb128 | not sure if the update fixes that though | 22:00 |
| seb128 | or if that's a bug | 22:00 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 22:00 |
| seb128 | would be worth trying if that's still an issue with today's update | 22:00 |
| pitti | ok, I got the nm-applet patch | 22:00 |
| pitti | seb128: since asac's already asleep, do you remember what you did for the nm-applet patch? | 22:01 |
| pitti | seb128: I submitted a git formatted patch upstream now, and would like to get it into our package as well now | 22:01 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell, good morning | 22:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, I pinged asac for sponsoring since they had other changes pending | 22:01 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hey | 22:01 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: how are you these days? how's OEM land? | 22:01 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hmm, I had a question for you last night... must remember before you go to bed... | 22:02 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, come back we need you there! | 22:02 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell can we do Eastern edition in 287 minutes? | 22:02 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, good, looking forward to getting back! | 22:02 |
| seb128 | lol | 22:02 |
| * rickspencer3 needs to shower and fix up wiki | 22:02 | |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, sure | 22:02 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Almost 5 hours, sure if you are aroun. :p | 22:02 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, you forget to specify seconds? ;-) | 22:02 |
| TheMuso | around even | 22:02 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, lol | 22:02 |
| TheMuso | In other words, what should that time actually be? Looks like there is a typo there. | 22:03 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell I meant it to be 28 minutes | 22:03 |
| rickspencer3 | but now it's 27 minutes | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Right, that makes more sense. :D | 22:03 |
| * rickspencer3 should have used unix time stamp | 22:03 | |
| kenvandine | hey pitti | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | lol | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i have a patch for indicator-me that fixes the launcher for empathy accounts... 2.29.91 changed it from "empathy -a" to "empathy-accounts" | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | pitti, is that ok to upload? | 22:04 |
| * ccheney bbl, picking up medicine for real this time :-\ | 22:04 | |
| * ccheney needs the pain killers | 22:05 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: sounds fine, go ahead | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | ok | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | thx | 22:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw davidz rolled a gdu tarball now | 22:06 |
| TheMuso | seb128: thanks for doing gnome-media BTW. | 22:06 |
| pitti | seb128: wheeee! | 22:07 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, you're welcome | 22:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, ;-) | 22:07 |
| pitti | seb128: he still didn't release udisks, though | 22:07 |
| pitti | but gdu is the more important ABI here, so that's great | 22:08 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll update to the final version soon then | 22:08 |
| pitti | I can upload it to Debian git and experimental, and then sync to lucid after a3 | 22:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have any opinion on bug #517698? | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 517698 in gnome-disk-utility "developer manual should be in a separate package" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517698 | 22:10 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds reasonable to me, although low priority | 22:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, the user opened a bunch of theme | 22:12 |
| seb128 | them | 22:12 |
| seb128 | we have several application installed by default doing that | 22:12 |
| seb128 | could be worth looking at for some extra space | 22:12 |
| pitti | indeed | 22:13 |
| pitti | meh, now I'm one dput away from closing the startup-speed spec and my last WI | 22:27 |
| chrisccoulson | yay \o/ | 22:27 |
| * chrisccoulson hugs pitti | 22:27 | |
| pitti | I sent a MP for asac | 22:27 |
| pitti | but I'm not sure whether I should upload it now, or whether he wants to review first | 22:27 |
| pitti | screw it, I'll take the bullets | 22:29 |
| pitti | asac: would you mind merging https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~pitti/network-manager-applet/defer-notify-server-caps/+merge/20012 ? | 22:29 |
| pitti | asac: (or pulling, for cleaner history) | 22:30 |
| chrisccoulson | bryceh, thanks for your e-mail btw | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i didn't realise we already had the XScreensaver patch in lucid | 22:31 |
| bryceh | chrisccoulson, yep | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i will look at preparing a SRU for that when i get some time. but i'm a little nervous, considering the fragility of gnome-power-manager in this area at the moment ;) | 22:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: "document the dbus api: TODO" -> that's the last alpha-3 WI for desktop now | 22:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: sounds like this could easily be moved to beta-1? Or do you intend to work on this by Thursday? | 22:34 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, postpone it to beta 1 and go to bed! | 22:35 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 22:35 |
| * pitti leaves it for kenvandine to decide about this and goes to bed then | 22:35 | |
| rickspencer3 | night pitti! | 22:35 |
| pitti | I updated https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-startup-speed and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-boot-performance now | 22:36 |
| rickspencer3 | great day | 22:36 |
| * pitti phears Keybuks' wrath | 22:36 | |
| rickspencer3 | uhoh | 22:36 |
| pitti | tomorrow's daily chart should not have notify-osd any more \o/ | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | yay \o/ | 22:36 |
| * pitti ^5s chrisccoulson | 22:36 | |
| rickspencer3 | nice! | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 22:36 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell, anyone who cares: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-02-23 | 22:36 |
| rickspencer3 | updated | 22:36 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: would you mind renaming lucid-desktop-featured-applications to desktop-lucid-f-a for consistency? | 22:37 |
| * TheMuso reads | 22:37 | |
| rickspencer3 | oops sorry | 22:38 |
| * pitti waves goodnight | 22:39 | |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, is there a feature app spec? | 22:39 |
| rickspencer3 | done | 22:39 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: cheers | 22:39 |
| rickspencer3 | 'night pitti | 22:39 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, night | 22:39 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 22:39 |
| robert_ancell | I'm going to remember what I was going to ask pitti in about 10 minutes now :) | 22:39 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I'm not telling because people will be mean to me when their favorite app does not make it | 22:39 |
| rickspencer3 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-featured-applications | 22:40 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, heh | 22:40 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, ^ | 22:40 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, add suggestions to that blueprint? | 22:41 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, no, to the attached wiki page | 22:41 |
| rickspencer3 | follow the spec link | 22:41 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, so long as they follow your criteria ;) | 22:41 |
| robert_ancell | ok | 22:41 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, and feel free to comment on the right number of apps, and if the criteria should be different | 22:42 |
| robert_ancell | it looked good to me | 22:42 |
| rickspencer3 | I will blog about it later today | 22:42 |
| * TheMuso has finished reading. | 22:42 | |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, ready to run through? | 22:42 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 22:43 |
| rickspencer3 | so you guys missed ara | 22:43 |
| rickspencer3 | I am keen to start finding upgrade bugs asap | 22:43 |
| rickspencer3 | ara is keen to help us | 22:43 |
| TheMuso | yeah sounds good | 22:43 |
| rickspencer3 | she has some plans started, but they don't start until beta 1 | 22:43 |
| rickspencer3 | so we are going to discuss if we can perhaps do something starting sooner, given that we have some knowledge now about the kinds of things that lead to problems | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | Right | 22:44 |
| rickspencer3 | (such as installs that use proprietary hardware and have been upgraded over multiple releases) | 22:44 |
| rickspencer3 | if either of you want to join that call, or irc meeting or however we do it, let me know | 22:45 |
| rickspencer3 | partner update is that most everything has landed from Dx and OLS | 22:45 |
| rickspencer3 | I am going to politely suggest that remaining work from those teams be postponed so that we can focus on quality for what has landed | 22:46 |
| rickspencer3 | which is a lot! | 22:46 |
| rickspencer3 | including the music store! | 22:46 |
| robert_ancell | ! | 22:46 |
| rickspencer3 | Kubuntu update, what can you say, that team is amazing | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | I'll second that. | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | re quality | 22:46 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks TheMuso | 22:47 |
| rickspencer3 | mozilla status is keeping me up at night | 22:47 |
| rickspencer3 | all this porting needs to happen, it is more or less on schedule but is taking waaaay longer than originally estimated | 22:47 |
| rickspencer3 | so then, *our* release status | 22:48 |
| rickspencer3 | we are in good shape wrt work items | 22:48 |
| rickspencer3 | please, for the love all that is good, stop adding features!! | 22:48 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 22:48 |
| TheMuso | heh | 22:48 |
| rickspencer3 | seriously, consider whether we really need that feature in Lucid more than fixing a bug | 22:48 |
| * rickspencer3 looks at robert_ancell, looks at seb128, looks at gdm settings | 22:49 | |
| TheMuso | For an LTS, I agree. | 22:49 |
| robert_ancell | I haven't had the time anyway... | 22:49 |
| rickspencer3 | always with regard to release status, robbiew dropped in and said that he thinks that we should not embark upon any risky work for start up time | 22:49 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, :) | 22:49 |
| rickspencer3 | so that means that the start up time effort is more or less complete, or will be over the next few days | 22:50 |
| rickspencer3 | (well for Lucid anyway) | 22:50 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 22:50 |
| TheMuso | So what will be cut loose in order to achieve Scott's 10 seconds? | 22:50 |
| TheMuso | :) | 22:50 |
| rickspencer3 | we still have 1 second to go, I say we pick that off in Lucid + 1, and keep boot under 10 seconds the way we keep the desktop fitting on a CD | 22:50 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, I'm not sure how robbiew will handle it | 22:51 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: I agree, but as above, will Scott? :) | 22:51 |
| rickspencer3 | the good news is that we are close to the goal, and the measures aren't fake demos | 22:51 |
| rickspencer3 | but booting real functional desktops | 22:51 |
| robbiew | and we KNOW 10 seconds is achievable | 22:51 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, right, scott has been a key leader for us, we owe him a debt of gratitude for sure | 22:52 |
| rickspencer3 | if I could do anything that would get us that 1 second, I would consider it | 22:52 |
| rickspencer3 | hi robbiew! | 22:52 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, any audio status to report? | 22:53 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Nothing game changing, just bug fixes as upstream/we write/get them. | 22:54 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, sweet | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | so no issues expect wrt audio in Lucid? | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | well, *serious* issues? | 22:55 |
| TheMuso | no | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | great! | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, are you keeping an eye on the sound indicator? | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | you can probably ask kenvandine if you need details | 22:56 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: A little, have played with it a bit. Still need to try out the updated indicator with keyboard support. | 22:56 |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm, not working for me yet | 22:56 |
| rickspencer3 | ah the slider responds to keys now! | 22:56 |
| rickspencer3 | soon indicators will response to Meta-Esc | 22:57 |
| rickspencer3 | not meta, what do you call that key that OS vendors sometimes put their logo on? | 22:57 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 22:57 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell that's the meeting, any other business? | 22:57 |
| TheMuso | no | 22:57 |
| robert_ancell | no | 22:57 |
| rickspencer3 | groovy | 22:57 |
| TheMuso | Do we know UDS lucid+1 dates y et? | 22:58 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, I don't | 22:58 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 22:58 |
| TheMuso | np | 22:58 |
| rickspencer3 | robbiew is a good person to ask, though, he'll let us know as soon as he knows | 22:58 |
| TheMuso | right | 22:59 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/02/fast-user-switching-is-back-in-lucid.html | 23:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm so glad that feature is back again :) | 23:07 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, yay! | 23:07 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, you have robert_ancell to partially thank | 23:07 |
| robert_ancell | that feature cost me some hair :) | 23:08 |
| * chrisccoulson hugs robert_ancell | 23:08 | |
| rickspencer3 | he extended GDM to offer an API to pre-select a designated user | 23:08 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent :) | 23:08 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, is that change upstream? | 23:09 |
| * rickspencer3 is editing posting | 23:09 | |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, yeah, along with all the other gdm patches. they just sit there | 23:11 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, submitted upstream not commited | 23:12 |
| rickspencer3 | wonder why? | 23:12 |
| rickspencer3 | that's odd | 23:12 |
| seb128 | because upstream is too busy to review all the patches there | 23:12 |
| rickspencer3 | that sounds a bit familiar :/ | 23:13 |
| rickspencer3 | anyway, if anyone needs the feature, the patch is there | 23:13 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I saw your suggestions for Featured apps | 23:17 |
| rickspencer3 | Saurbraten works rather well on my 'puter | 23:18 |
| rickspencer3 | ^3d fps | 23:18 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we said no duplicate app, ie abiword | 23:18 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, what does Saurbraten duplicate? | 23:19 |
| seb128 | or epiphany, which I guess you list for epiphan-webkit? | 23:19 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes | 23:19 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 23:19 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, nothing that I know, I don't know what saurbraten is ;-) | 23:19 |
| rickspencer3 | I guess seb128 meant to direct that to robert_ancell | 23:19 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, indeed sorry ;-) | 23:20 |
| rickspencer3 | saurbraten is a first person shooter | 23:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ^ | 23:20 |
| rickspencer3 | I basically play it a bit this time in the cycle to make sure that graphics are working well | 23:20 |
| seb128 | same for gnumeric | 23:20 |
| rickspencer3 | (except for Jaunty ;) ) | 23:20 |
| Nafai | rickspencer3, Great testing mechanism :) | 23:20 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes, I added gnumeric, epiphany as abiword is on the current list | 23:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, current list is mvo picking some random things to not have an empty category | 23:20 |
| robert_ancell | I agree, we probably should remove all three | 23:21 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 23:21 |
| seb128 | it was before we decide on guidelines ;-) | 23:21 |
| rickspencer3 | but surely we can have multiple games in the list | 23:21 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I should try that game, didn't play fps for ages | 23:21 |
| rickspencer3 | so long as they aren't in the same genre | 23:21 |
| seb128 | I used to play duke nukem with friends | 23:21 |
| rickspencer3 | like how could we not do frozenbubble? | 23:21 |
| seb128 | that was ages ago though ;-) | 23:21 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, rickspencer3 page updated | 23:21 |
| rickspencer3 | and how could we not feature super tux? | 23:21 |
| seb128 | frozen-bubble++ | 23:22 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, it never felt very complete to me | 23:22 |
| seb128 | only issue is that it destroy productivity | 23:22 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 23:22 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 23:22 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, what didn't feel complete? super tux? | 23:22 |
| robert_ancell | did you guys ever play starcon 2? | 23:22 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, yeah, supertux | 23:22 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, not yet, but now I see it in your list (will try starcon 2) | 23:22 |
| seb128 | I didn't | 23:23 |
| robert_ancell | oh, what is that 3d racing sim. Did that ever get finished enough? | 23:23 |
| rickspencer3 | there were two | 23:23 |
| robert_ancell | starcon 2 is really fun (both multi-player and single player). It was awesome the original devs could take it open source | 23:23 |
| rickspencer3 | tux racer, and ... | 23:23 |
| rickspencer3 | and ... | 23:23 |
| rickspencer3 | man I can't remember, it looked cool, but there were only i386 binaries for it the last time I tried it | 23:23 |
| * rickspencer3 notes that robert_ancell has a encyclopedic knowledge of games | 23:24 | |
| robert_ancell | TORCs was the name | 23:24 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm, sounds different | 23:25 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, heh, been following the Linux game scene for a few years now :) | 23:25 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I can see that being the debian maintainer has had some benefits ;) | 23:25 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, have you played nexuiz? How does is compare to saurbraten? | 23:25 |
| rickspencer3 | haven't tried it | 23:26 |
| bryceh | freeciv, tremulous, Ur-Quan, Simutrans, Pioneers, PyScrabble | 23:26 |
| * rickspencer3 tries | 23:26 | |
| TheMuso | The only game that has deacent music IMO is frozen bubble. | 23:30 |
| robert_ancell | I'm hoping by making some "recommended" stuff these projects will get more contributers | 23:38 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Indicator sound works for me via keyboard. The only problem is that I completely lose focus after working with it, and have to use the mouse to get back, as keyboard window/panel switchign doesn't work. This bug is not indicator applet specific. | 23:45 |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm | 23:47 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, on phone, but will ping you back | 23:47 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, known bug | 23:47 |
| seb128 | they were working on it today | 23:48 |
| TheMuso | seb128: oh ok great. | 23:50 |
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