[04:37] <pleia2> topyli: great blog entry \o/
[06:38] <Myrtti> Flannel: alt installs the same desktop
[06:38] <Flannel> Myrtti: It doesn't have to
[06:38] <Myrtti> Flannel: i've never seen it ask what i want to install either
[06:39] <Myrtti> mini and server do
[06:39] <Flannel> Myrtti: They removed it from the boot menu in 9.04 (it usedto be there), now you have to hit f6 or f7 or whatever to choose "command line install"
[06:39] <Flannel> 9.04 might not be the right version of removal-from-menu
[06:40] <Myrtti> right
[06:40] <Flannel> http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p15/re_grub001.png  (fourth menu item)
[06:40] <Flannel> er, I can't count.  Lets try third.
[06:40] <Flannel> and now you toggle it on/off from within f6, I believe.
[06:41] <Tm_T> Morning all
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <Madpilot> morning
[07:43] <Madpilot> well, still evening here, for another 15 min or so :)
[08:06] <jazz> i am looking for a staffer, i've a question on nicks
[08:06] <Flannel> jazz: #freenode is your best bet
[08:06] <Myrtti> then why don't you go ask at #freenode?
[08:07] <jazz> kinda new using  x-chat and irc all together... thanks myrtti and flannel
[08:12]  * Myrtti facepalms
[08:25] <Jordan_U> probable troll in #ubuntu
[08:25] <Flannel> I'm looking into it, thanks
[08:26] <Jordan_U> Thank you.
[08:28] <Madpilot> Flannel, serious WTFery in #u...
[08:28] <Flannel> mhmm
[08:28] <Flannel> is it a full moon or something?
[08:28] <Madpilot> not for a week or so, AFAIK :)
[08:29] <Flannel> meh.  autobans
[08:29] <Madpilot> in which universe was futura's "joke" actually funny?
[08:29] <Flannel> None
[11:17] <ikonia> hello Kottisen
[11:25] <ikonia> Kottisen: are you active ?
[11:28] <Kottisen> ikonia: yes
[11:31] <ikonia> hi there
[11:32] <Kottisen> Hello ikonia! :)
[11:36] <ikonia> you're in #ubuntu-ops the operator team for the ubuntu channels
[11:36] <ikonia> do you need any help from us with anything ?
[11:37] <elky> oh really now?
[11:37] <elky> ooh, the cloak, whee!
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[11:54] <Tm_T> (:
[11:54] <Tm_T> I'm still waiting some extension for my cloak
[11:56] <topyli> "my cloak is longer than your cloak" :)
[11:58] <ikonia> Kottisen: do you need anything from is ?
[12:00] <topyli> Kottisen, please leave the channel if you have no issues we can help with. idling is not allowed
[12:01] <elky> Tm_T, did you pay for the privilege yet? :P
[12:01] <Tm_T> elky: no, not that kind of extension
[12:01] <elky> ah
[12:01] <elky> that would probably work though.
[12:03] <Tm_T> if I had money etc (:
[13:57] <persia> jussi01: bogeyd6 is contributing usefully, just noisily in -server
[13:58] <jussi01> persia: yeah, Ill unban as soon as the flood stops
[13:58] <persia> Cool :)
[13:58] <Myrtti> [15:55] < Kernspalter> http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=al_caspam  --> EARN MONEY FOR FREE USENET-ACCOUNTS AND  RAPIDSHARE-ACCOUNTS AND PAYPAL!!!
[14:00] <MenZa> Nice realnem.
[14:00] <MenZa> realname*
[14:00] <MenZa> "Al Caspam"
[14:42] <persia> jussi01: re: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-February/000095.html : it asks for more access than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination : one of these is wrong.
[14:43] <Myrtti> in any case the flags for -testing are wrong (re #ubuntu-irc)
[14:43] <Myrtti> (re: stgraber's email on the mailing list)
[14:44] <persia> The precisely match the documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination
[14:44] <persia> Since I pointed him to the documentation to set the flags, I'm sure this means the docs need updating.
[14:46] <Myrtti> persia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-February/000932.html (+vo vs. +votiA vs. +votiAf)
[14:46] <Myrtti> anyway, I'm not in the council so I couldn't really care less
[14:47] <persia> Oh, the mail seems wrong.  /cs access #ubuntu-testing list has a slightly better story to tell.
[14:47] <persia> I agree.
[14:48]  * persia also isn't council, but just noticed a discrepancy which, if not resolved soon, will be raised as a question at a meeting.
[15:24] <Pici> dealt with
[15:28] <jussi01> persia: the +f asked for in #ubuntu-devel is because it is a core channel. it is the only core channel this is missing. we need it because of the LP integration.
[15:28]  * gnomefreak was removed as op :(
[15:29] <gnomefreak> s/op/op?
[15:29] <persia> jussi01: If you you have a good answer for the TB you're good.
[15:29]  * persia isn't TB.
[15:30] <jussi01> persia: yeah, I do, I just like others to understand as well. we have nothing to hide :)
[15:37] <gnomefreak> it seems just #ubuntu i lost op
[15:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: eh? You still have access to #ubuntu
[15:39] <gnomefreak> ok i am but it didnt ping me when !ops was used
[15:39] <Pici> gnomefreak: oh.
[15:39] <gnomefreak> i was thinking i lost it due to that
[15:40] <Pici> erg
[15:40] <jpds> .
[15:40] <Pici> @login
[15:40] <Pici> jpds: quiet you.
[15:40] <jpds> OK.
[15:40] <gnomefreak> thanks
[15:57] <Myrtti> I'm somehow annoyed of Lord-Readmans way of spamming his brainstorm link. I'll just bite my tongue and let him do it.
[16:54] <Mamarok> tsimpson: you around?
[16:54] <tsimpson> Mamarok: mostly
[16:55] <Mamarok> I was thinking, with the current problems in KDE SC 4.4 on Karmic, maybe a factoid for Akonadi might be useful, pointing to http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
[16:56] <Mamarok> since the culprit is apparmor, this will remain for quite some time
[16:56] <tsimpson> care to suggest a factoid?
[16:57] <Mamarok> what's the syntax again?
[16:58] <Mamarok> botname !factoid is IIRC?
[16:58] <tsimpson> something like !Akonadi is <reply> your message here
[16:58] <Mamarok> oh, great, I will give it a try :)
[16:59] <tsimpson> if you want it to start with "factoid is ..." you can leave out the <reply> part
[17:02] <gnomefreak> i would be more inclided to send them to http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary#Akonadi so people knows what it is
[17:03] <tsimpson> no reason the factoid can't contain both
[17:03] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: agreed
[17:04] <Mamarok> !Akonadi is <reply> Akonadi is the data storage access mechanism for all PIM applications in KDE SC 4. If you experience problems with Akonadi, please see http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi for tips on how to solve this.
[17:05] <Mamarok> !Akonadi
[17:05] <Mamarok> tsimpson: how abut this?
[17:06] <Mamarok> about*
[17:08] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling that is over most users heads
[17:09] <Mamarok> gnomefreak: I don't think so, there are basically 2 lines to enter to make it work
[17:09] <gnomefreak> new users know what PIM is?
[17:10] <gnomefreak> me and you do for sure :)
[17:10] <Mamarok> or point directly to Technical Issues?
[17:11] <gnomefreak> !pim
[17:11] <Mamarok> hm, making a wiki entry on kubuntu.org might help as well
[17:12] <gnomefreak> +1
[17:12] <Mamarok> that was for the wiki, right?
[17:13] <gnomefreak> yes
[17:17] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I need to talk about with appacjelogger first, he pretend there is no problem with apparmor
[17:17] <Mamarok> appachelogger*
[17:17] <tsimpson> "it didn't happen if I didn't see it" ;)
[17:18] <Tm_T> Mamarok: if the error message is that particular one, then it is
[17:18] <Mamarok> Tm_T: could you please tell him, then?
[17:19] <Tm_T> I have no time to argue, sorry
[17:19] <Tm_T> have to get daughter to sleep, not apachelogger but the other daughter (;
[17:48] <Myrtti> !backtrack > Myrtti
[19:07] <Pici> Need a second opinion: Would it be ridiculous for me to take this person aside for overuse of abbreviations:    14:04:30 <DasEi> major_redhat: so got most common codecs, apart from libdvdcss try vlc-player for video-files, s. apt-get i. vlc
[19:08] <tsimpson> yes
[19:08] <Myrtti> no
[19:08] <Pici> yes it would be ridiculous?
[19:08] <tsimpson> as in, "yes, please take them aside"
[19:08] <Myrtti> (just for the sake of argument)
[19:08] <Pici> Myrtti: :P
[19:09] <tsimpson> "s. apt-get i. vlc" is, as you said, just ridiculous
[19:09] <Myrtti> there's been so many people using abbreviations today
[19:09] <Myrtti> I'm not dyslexic or anything, but I can imagine how horrible it would be to be both non-native and dyslexic with these
[19:10] <tsimpson> rly? i dnt no tht
[19:10] <Myrtti> it's really, really REALLY straining to read
[19:11] <Myrtti> and I'm know I do read and understand English quite well for a non-native speaker
[19:11] <tsimpson> not to mention annoying, but maybe I'm getting grumpy in my not-so old-age
[19:12] <Pici> Okay. :)
[19:15] <Pici> He said that he'd stop doing it.
[19:32] <Myrtti> it's the spanish invasion again
[19:35] <Mamarok> we should send the inquisition...
[19:36] <Myrtti> tut-tut, that's un-Code-of-Conduct, naughty, unnecessary and totally rude!!!11
[20:56] <Mamarok> hm, wasn't there a factoid for a clean KDE or Gnome only install (or how to get rid of the other)? I can't find it
[20:57] <Mamarok> nvm, found it
[20:58] <Mamarok> !removegnome
[20:58] <Mamarok> what the heck is that? It used to point to a wiki page
[20:58] <Pici> !purekde
[20:59] <Mamarok> right
[20:59] <Mamarok> Pici: thanks :)
[21:00] <Myrtti> !puregnome
[21:00] <Myrtti> >____<
[21:00] <Myrtti> lollerz
[21:00] <Pici> eww
[21:01] <Pici> At least it doesnt say to --asume-yes
[21:02] <Pricey> !-removegnome
[21:02] <Pricey> thought it gave last edited..
[21:06] <Mamarok> what the heck is debfoster?
[21:13] <Pricey> Mamarok: I assume it points out orhpanned packages, those without anything depending on them.
[21:13] <Pricey> spll fail
[21:14] <Pricey> !info debfoster
[21:14] <Mamarok> hm, I need to check that out one day
[21:32] <Myrtti> interesting
[21:51] <tsimpson> who broke freenode?
[21:54] <Mamarok> I was not even near to it, pleading innocent
[22:00] <Myrtti> did it stop nao?
[22:01] <tsimpson> looks like it
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about language
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about coc
[23:07] <MenZa> ubottu: tell maxjezy about guidelines