| jelkner | #startmeeting | 18:40 |
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| meeting | Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner. | 18:40 |
| meeting | Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK | 18:40 |
| jelkner | hello | 18:40 |
| jelkner | anyone here besides myabes and me? | 18:40 |
| jelkner | hi caroline | 18:41 |
| caroline | hi | 18:41 |
| jelkner | i just typed the startmeeting command | 18:41 |
| jelkner | you have joined myabes and me so far | 18:41 |
| jelkner | any word from anurag, caroline? | 18:44 |
| jelkner | he told me he would be here | 18:44 |
| caroline | yeah he was on gmail a sec ago | 18:44 |
| caroline | told me which channel | 18:44 |
| jelkner | cool | 18:44 |
| jelkner | i'll try to ping him | 18:44 |
| jelkner | anurag is trying to join | 18:45 |
| jelkner | henry grover is logging in as well | 18:45 |
| jelkner | since i have class at this time | 18:46 |
| jelkner | i need to move things forward and start the discussion going | 18:46 |
| jelkner | so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class | 18:46 |
| Anurag | hey | 18:47 |
| Anurag | everyone here? | 18:49 |
| jelkner | caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here | 18:49 |
| jelkner | i need to come in and out | 18:49 |
| jelkner | since i have class | 18:50 |
| jelkner | my top questions is: what next? | 18:50 |
| jelkner | http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tOWGYJYAQz98t_zJogIt_Tg&single=true&gid=0&output=html | 18:50 |
| jelkner | myabes sent us this | 18:50 |
| jelkner | is this what you are looking for? | 18:50 |
| jelkner | i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively | 18:50 |
| jelkner | which means making sure he is doing useful things with it | 18:50 |
| jelkner | Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback | 18:51 |
| jelkner | hgrover is available to support him | 18:51 |
| hgrover | (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it) | 18:51 |
| caroline | Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails? | 18:52 |
| caroline | Is that something David woudl find useful? | 18:52 |
| Anurag | right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors | 18:52 |
| Anurag | need to run some terminal commands | 18:53 |
| caroline | there is also a Log activity | 18:54 |
| Anurag | to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP | 18:54 |
| Anurag | michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router? | 18:55 |
| hgrover | he does | 18:56 |
| hgrover | it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network | 18:56 |
| hgrover | (that router is connected to another higher up) | 18:56 |
| dfarning_laptop | +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity | 18:56 |
| hgrover | where are logs for activities in sugar stored? | 18:56 |
| hgrover | just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around | 18:57 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity | 18:58 |
| dfarning_laptop | the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar | 18:58 |
| satellit_ | log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful | 18:58 |
| satellit_ | plus errors | 18:59 |
| hgrover | ahh, alright | 18:59 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity | 18:59 |
| hgrover | so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails? | 18:59 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes:) | 19:00 |
| Anurag | http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 | 19:00 |
| hgrover | i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up | 19:00 |
| satellit_ | use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick | 19:00 |
| satellit_ | or screenshot if VM | 19:00 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet | 19:01 |
| hgrover | could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet? | 19:01 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet | 19:02 |
| hgrover | interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page | 19:03 |
| hgrover | let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes | 19:03 |
| hgrover | (i do recall it working properly last i tried | 19:03 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines. | 19:04 |
| hgrover | alright | 19:04 |
| hgrover | indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work | 19:04 |
| dfarning_laptop | cool | 19:04 |
| hgrover | browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems... | 19:05 |
| Anurag | yea browse has never worked yet | 19:05 |
| hgrover | alright. so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc | 19:06 |
| hgrover | should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what? | 19:06 |
| dfarning_laptop | The spread sheet is a very good idea. It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think | 19:06 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing | 19:07 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error.... | 19:07 |
| hgrover | Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet? All of them, or just those that fail? | 19:08 |
| Anurag | I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think? | 19:08 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity | 19:08 |
| hgrover | alright | 19:09 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time | 19:09 |
| hgrover | so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups: ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log | 19:11 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms | 19:12 |
| hgrover | in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log" | 19:12 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff | 19:12 |
| hgrover | alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log? It's got a fair amount of debug info | 19:13 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log | 19:14 |
| hgrover | myabes says that browse doesn't work | 19:14 |
| Anurag | right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity | 19:15 |
| hgrover | oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood | 19:15 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed. | 19:15 |
| hgrover | how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs? | 19:15 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough | 19:16 |
| Anurag | has anyone tested local collaboration using USR? | 19:17 |
| Anurag | or will that be difficult with a VM installation? | 19:17 |
| hgrover | there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin? | 19:18 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes | 19:18 |
| hgrover | hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious | 19:20 |
| Anurag | hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine | 19:21 |
| Anurag | and then you can copy paste text files to that folder | 19:21 |
| hgrover | trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S | 19:21 |
| hgrover | got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there | 19:23 |
| Anurag | yea that works | 19:24 |
| Anurag | myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR? | 19:27 |
| myabes | whats that? | 19:29 |
| hgrover | sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way | 19:29 |
| hgrover | http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS | 19:29 |
| dfarning_laptop | hgrover, myabes perfect | 19:31 |
| dfarning_laptop | the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 19:31 |
| hgrover | what is that? | 19:32 |
| dfarning_laptop | tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly | 19:32 |
| Anurag | is this why some of the other activities are not launching either | 19:33 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse | 19:34 |
| Anurag | o ok | 19:35 |
| dfarning_laptop | xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers. It is being phased out and replaced with webkit | 19:35 |
| dfarning_laptop | ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem | 19:36 |
| hgrover | ahhh | 19:36 |
| dfarning_laptop | so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse | 19:37 |
| Anurag | oh i see | 19:37 |
| Anurag | myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me | 19:38 |
| Anurag | so I can add/change things if needed | 19:38 |
| hgrover | i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now | 19:38 |
| myabes | ok | 19:38 |
| dfarning_laptop | debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release. so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest | 19:38 |
| hgrover | talk to you guys tomorrow! | 19:39 |
| dfarning_laptop | thanks guys | 19:39 |
| Anurag | o ok, any reason for the switch? | 19:39 |
| myabes | cya | 19:39 |
| Anurag | bye myabes and hgrover | 19:39 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it. webkit is very good:) | 19:40 |
| Anurag | o ok got it | 19:40 |
| Anurag | david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out | 19:41 |
| Anurag | we want to make sure we cover as much as possible | 19:41 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it | 19:41 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps. | 19:42 |
| jelkner | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
| meeting | Meeting finished at 14:44. | 19:42 |
| meeting | Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100223_1341.html | 19:42 |
| jelkner | that was great! | 19:42 |
| caroline | :) | 19:43 |
| jelkner | thanks dfarning caroline! | 19:43 |
| jelkner | progress | 19:43 |
| jelkner | Anurag, | 19:43 |
| caroline | I din't do anything! | 19:43 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 19:43 |
| Anurag | yup no prob | 19:43 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, once lucid settles down, we can start to work in ernest on the packaging. | 19:43 |
| jelkner | i didn't get to read everything yet | 19:43 |
| jelkner | but henry was telling me what was going on | 19:43 |
| Anurag | k sounds good | 19:44 |
| dfarning_laptop | jelkner, ping me if you need me. I grab the tiger by the tail when commiting to build the new also cluster.... now I am holding on with all my might:) | 19:44 |
| dfarning_laptop | I should be back to USR full time in about 2 weeks | 19:45 |
| dfarning_laptop | s/also/aslo/ :( | 19:45 |
| Anurag | alrite well I'm going to sign off, have a class in 30 min, but I'll send out a short email update tonight | 19:46 |
| satellit_ | defarning_laptop: please e-mail when USR builds continue so I can help test...: ) | 19:47 |
| dfarning_laptop | Anurag, thanks. Even though it might seem slow going now. once the knowledge in seeded in henry and michael it will grow quickly within the school. | 19:48 |
| dfarning_laptop | satellit_ will do | 19:49 |
| satellit_ | : ) | 19:49 |
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