[18:40] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[18:40] <meeting> Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[18:40] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[18:40] <jelkner> hello
[18:40] <jelkner> anyone here besides myabes and me?
[18:41] <jelkner> hi caroline
[18:41] <caroline> hi
[18:41] <jelkner> i just typed the startmeeting command
[18:41] <jelkner> you have joined myabes and me so far
[18:44] <jelkner> any word from anurag, caroline?
[18:44] <jelkner> he told me he would be here
[18:44] <caroline> yeah he was on gmail a sec ago
[18:44] <caroline> told me which channel
[18:44] <jelkner> cool
[18:44] <jelkner> i'll try to ping him
[18:45] <jelkner> anurag is trying to join
[18:45] <jelkner> henry grover is logging in as well
[18:46] <jelkner> since i have class at this time
[18:46] <jelkner> i need to move things forward and start the discussion going
[18:46] <jelkner> so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class
[18:47] <Anurag> hey
[18:49] <Anurag> everyone here?
[18:49] <jelkner> caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here
[18:49] <jelkner> i need to come in and out
[18:50] <jelkner> since i have class
[18:50] <jelkner> my top questions is: what next?
[18:50] <jelkner> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tOWGYJYAQz98t_zJogIt_Tg&single=true&gid=0&output=html
[18:50] <jelkner> myabes sent us this
[18:50] <jelkner> is this what you are looking for?
[18:50] <jelkner> i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively
[18:50] <jelkner> which means making sure he is doing useful things with it
[18:51] <jelkner> Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback
[18:51] <jelkner> hgrover is available to support him
[18:51] <hgrover> (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it)
[18:52] <caroline> Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails?
[18:52] <caroline> Is that something David woudl find useful?
[18:52] <Anurag> right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors
[18:53] <Anurag> need to run some terminal commands
[18:54] <caroline> there is also a Log activity
[18:54] <Anurag> to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP
[18:55] <Anurag> michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router?
[18:56] <hgrover> he does
[18:56] <hgrover> it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network
[18:56] <hgrover> (that router is connected to another higher up)
[18:56] <dfarning_laptop> +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity
[18:56] <hgrover> where are logs for activities in sugar stored?
[18:57] <hgrover> just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around
[18:58] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity
[18:58] <dfarning_laptop> the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar
[18:58] <satellit_> log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful
[18:59] <satellit_> plus errors
[18:59] <hgrover> ahh, alright
[18:59] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity
[18:59] <hgrover> so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails?
[19:00] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes:)
[19:00] <Anurag> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056
[19:00] <hgrover> i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up
[19:00] <satellit_> use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick
[19:00] <satellit_> or screenshot if VM
[19:01] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet
[19:01] <hgrover> could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet?
[19:02] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet
[19:03] <hgrover> interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page
[19:03] <hgrover> let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes
[19:03] <hgrover> (i do recall it working properly last i tried
[19:04] <dfarning_laptop>  hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines.
[19:04] <hgrover> alright
[19:04] <hgrover> indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work
[19:04] <dfarning_laptop> cool
[19:05] <hgrover> browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems...
[19:05] <Anurag> yea browse has never worked yet
[19:06] <hgrover> alright.  so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc
[19:06] <hgrover> should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what?
[19:06] <dfarning_laptop> The spread sheet is a very good idea.  It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think
[19:07] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing
[19:07] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error....
[19:08] <hgrover> Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet?  All of them, or just those that fail?
[19:08] <Anurag> I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think?
[19:08] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity
[19:09] <hgrover> alright
[19:09] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time
[19:11] <hgrover> so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups:  ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log
[19:12] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms
[19:12] <hgrover> in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log"
[19:12] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff
[19:13] <hgrover> alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log?  It's got a fair amount of debug info
[19:14] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log
[19:14] <hgrover> myabes says that browse doesn't work
[19:15] <Anurag> right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity
[19:15] <hgrover> oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood
[19:15] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed.
[19:15] <hgrover> how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs?
[19:16] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough
[19:17] <Anurag> has anyone tested local collaboration using USR?
[19:17] <Anurag> or will that be difficult with a VM installation?
[19:18] <hgrover> there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin?
[19:18] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes
[19:20] <hgrover> hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious
[19:21] <Anurag> hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine
[19:21] <Anurag> and then you can copy paste text files to that folder
[19:21] <hgrover> trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S
[19:23] <hgrover> got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there
[19:24] <Anurag> yea that works
[19:27] <Anurag> myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR?
[19:29] <myabes> whats that?
[19:29] <hgrover> sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way
[19:29] <hgrover> http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS
[19:31] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes perfect
[19:31] <dfarning_laptop> the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:32] <hgrover> what is that?
[19:32] <dfarning_laptop> tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly
[19:33] <Anurag> is this why some of the other activities are not launching either
[19:34] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse
[19:35] <Anurag> o ok
[19:35] <dfarning_laptop> xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers.  It is being phased out and replaced with webkit
[19:36] <dfarning_laptop> ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem
[19:36] <hgrover> ahhh
[19:37] <dfarning_laptop> so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse
[19:37] <Anurag> oh i see
[19:38] <Anurag> myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me
[19:38] <Anurag> so I can add/change things if needed
[19:38] <hgrover> i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now
[19:38] <myabes> ok
[19:38] <dfarning_laptop> debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release.  so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest
[19:39] <hgrover> talk to you guys tomorrow!
[19:39] <dfarning_laptop> thanks guys
[19:39] <Anurag> o ok, any reason for the switch?
[19:39] <myabes> cya
[19:39] <Anurag> bye myabes and hgrover
[19:40] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it.  webkit is very good:)
[19:40] <Anurag> o ok got it
[19:41] <Anurag> david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out
[19:41] <Anurag> we want to make sure we cover as much as possible
[19:41] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it
[19:42] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps.
[19:42] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[19:42] <meeting> Meeting finished at 14:44.
[19:42] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100223_1341.html
[19:42] <jelkner> that was great!
[19:43] <caroline> :)
[19:43] <jelkner> thanks dfarning caroline!
[19:43] <jelkner> progress
[19:43] <jelkner> Anurag,
[19:43] <caroline> I din't do anything!
[19:43] <jelkner> thanks!
[19:43] <Anurag> yup no prob
[19:43] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, once lucid settles down, we can start to work in ernest on the packaging.
[19:43] <jelkner> i didn't get to read everything yet
[19:43] <jelkner> but henry was telling me what was going on
[19:44] <Anurag> k sounds good
[19:44] <dfarning_laptop> jelkner, ping me if you need me.  I grab the tiger by the tail when commiting to build the new also cluster.... now I am holding on with all my might:)
[19:45] <dfarning_laptop> I should be back to USR full time in about 2 weeks
[19:45] <dfarning_laptop> s/also/aslo/ :(
[19:46] <Anurag> alrite well I'm going to sign off, have a class in 30 min, but I'll send out a short email update tonight
[19:47] <satellit_> defarning_laptop: please e-mail when USR builds continue so I can help test...: )
[19:48] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, thanks.  Even though it might seem slow going now.  once the knowledge in seeded in henry and michael it will grow quickly within the school.
[19:49] <dfarning_laptop> satellit_ will do
[19:49] <satellit_> : )