[18:40] #startmeeting [18:40] Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner. [18:40] Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK [18:40] hello [18:40] anyone here besides myabes and me? [18:41] hi caroline [18:41] hi [18:41] i just typed the startmeeting command [18:41] you have joined myabes and me so far [18:44] any word from anurag, caroline? [18:44] he told me he would be here [18:44] yeah he was on gmail a sec ago [18:44] told me which channel [18:44] cool [18:44] i'll try to ping him [18:45] anurag is trying to join [18:45] henry grover is logging in as well [18:46] since i have class at this time [18:46] i need to move things forward and start the discussion going [18:46] so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class [18:47] hey [18:49] everyone here? [18:49] caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here [18:49] i need to come in and out [18:50] since i have class [18:50] my top questions is: what next? [18:50] http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tOWGYJYAQz98t_zJogIt_Tg&single=true&gid=0&output=html [18:50] myabes sent us this [18:50] is this what you are looking for? [18:50] i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively [18:50] which means making sure he is doing useful things with it [18:51] Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback [18:51] hgrover is available to support him [18:51] (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it) [18:52] Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails? [18:52] Is that something David woudl find useful? [18:52] right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors [18:53] need to run some terminal commands [18:54] there is also a Log activity [18:54] to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP [18:55] michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router? [18:56] he does [18:56] it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network [18:56] (that router is connected to another higher up) [18:56] +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity [18:56] where are logs for activities in sugar stored? [18:57] just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around [18:58] hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity [18:58] the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar [18:58] log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful [18:59] plus errors [18:59] ahh, alright [18:59] hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity [18:59] so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails? [19:00] hgrover, yes:) [19:00] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 [19:00] i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up [19:00] use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick [19:00] or screenshot if VM [19:01] hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet [19:01] could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet? [19:02] hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet [19:03] interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page [19:03] let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes [19:03] (i do recall it working properly last i tried [19:04] hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines. [19:04] alright [19:04] indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work [19:04] cool [19:05] browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems... [19:05] yea browse has never worked yet [19:06] alright. so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc [19:06] should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what? [19:06] The spread sheet is a very good idea. It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think [19:07] hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing [19:07] hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error.... [19:08] Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet? All of them, or just those that fail? [19:08] I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think? [19:08] hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity [19:09] alright [19:09] Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time [19:11] so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups: ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log [19:12] Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms [19:12] in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log" [19:12] hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff [19:13] alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log? It's got a fair amount of debug info [19:14] hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log [19:14] myabes says that browse doesn't work [19:15] right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity [19:15] oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood [19:15] hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed. [19:15] how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs? [19:16] hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough [19:17] has anyone tested local collaboration using USR? [19:17] or will that be difficult with a VM installation? [19:18] there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin? [19:18] hgrover, yes [19:20] hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious [19:21] hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine [19:21] and then you can copy paste text files to that folder [19:21] trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S [19:23] got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there [19:24] yea that works [19:27] myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR? [19:29] whats that? [19:29] sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way [19:29] http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS [19:31] hgrover, myabes perfect [19:31] the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [19:32] what is that? [19:32] tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly [19:33] is this why some of the other activities are not launching either [19:34] Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse [19:35] o ok [19:35] xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers. It is being phased out and replaced with webkit [19:36] ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem [19:36] ahhh [19:37] so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse [19:37] oh i see [19:38] myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me [19:38] so I can add/change things if needed [19:38] i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now [19:38] ok [19:38] debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release. so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest [19:39] talk to you guys tomorrow! [19:39] thanks guys [19:39] o ok, any reason for the switch? [19:39] cya [19:39] bye myabes and hgrover [19:40] Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it. webkit is very good:) [19:40] o ok got it [19:41] david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out [19:41] we want to make sure we cover as much as possible [19:41] Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it [19:42] Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps. [19:42] #endmeeting [19:42] Meeting finished at 14:44. [19:42] Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100223_1341.html [19:42] that was great! [19:43] :) [19:43] thanks dfarning caroline! [19:43] progress [19:43] Anurag, [19:43] I din't do anything! [19:43] thanks! [19:43] yup no prob [19:43] Anurag, once lucid settles down, we can start to work in ernest on the packaging. [19:43] i didn't get to read everything yet [19:43] but henry was telling me what was going on [19:44] k sounds good [19:44] jelkner, ping me if you need me. I grab the tiger by the tail when commiting to build the new also cluster.... now I am holding on with all my might:) [19:45] I should be back to USR full time in about 2 weeks [19:45] s/also/aslo/ :( [19:46] alrite well I'm going to sign off, have a class in 30 min, but I'll send out a short email update tonight [19:47] defarning_laptop: please e-mail when USR builds continue so I can help test...: ) [19:48] Anurag, thanks. Even though it might seem slow going now. once the knowledge in seeded in henry and michael it will grow quickly within the school. [19:49] satellit_ will do [19:49] : )