[04:05] <yotux> Hello I have a few questions
[04:05] <persia> !ask
[04:05] <ubot4> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:05] <yotux> Since Alpha 3 is going to be release should I try and test alpha 2 ?
[04:05] <persia> Depends what you're testing.
[04:06] <yotux> also does this team test netbook remixes
[04:06] <persia> There's not much value to testing Alpha 2 images, but there is huge value in testing post-installed environments with Alpha 2 + updates.
[04:07] <persia> This is the central coordination point for all Ubuntu testing, including all images and flavours.  This does not mean that everyone here tets all flavours.
[04:07] <yotux> ok
[04:07] <yotux> Is there a testing manual?
[04:08] <persia> I don't know of one offhand, but there's some hints on the wiki.
[06:59] <ara> morning all!
[07:13] <persia> ara: There was a request about 3 hours ago asking if we had a testing manual?  Do we?  Should there be a link to it in the /topic?
[07:13] <persia> Oh, and Good morning :)
[07:14] <ara> persia, morning
[07:14] <ara> persia, yes, indeed, I'll change it. Although the release team haven't published any candidate ISOs yet
[07:15] <persia> I was thinking just a pointer to overview docs that would be useful to new folk even when we weren't doing milestone testing.
[07:28] <ara> persia, looks nice, it seems that I cannot change the topic
[07:28] <ara> I will as at #ubuntu-irc
[07:38] <persia> stgraber: Hey.  When you have a chance, we need a bit of help with channel coordination.
[07:38]  * persia expects to wait 7-8 hours for a response
[07:43] <ara> persia, heno will be around in 2-3 hours :D
[07:45] <persia> But he doesn't have the +F flag, which seems to restrict some operations.
[07:45] <persia> So I expect he can sort the topic issue.  I'm less sure he can sort the channel operations in general.
[07:51] <ara> persia, alright
[07:52] <ara> persia, let's wait for stgraber, but I'll ask heno to change the topic when he's online
[07:53] <persia> That seems like the best plan to me.
[07:53] <persia> What is the URL to the manual anyway?
[07:55] <ara> tracker: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[07:55] <ara> docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[07:56] <ara> testcases: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/
[07:56] <persia> Do we have anything for non-ISO testing?
[07:57] <ara> persia, set of activities: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities
[07:57] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ seems like a good home, but I'm guessing it might benefit from suggestions on stuff that can be done during less pressing periods.
[07:57] <persia> That's a *great* page!
[07:58] <ara> persia, maybe we should be moving that page to /Testing, rather than having a subpage
[07:58] <ara> persia, to make it easier for people to find it
[08:00] <persia> Or at least put it in the top bar.
[08:00] <persia> I'd probably drop "QA Team" frm the top bar, and add "Activities".
[08:01] <thekorn> ...and add a link to this page to qa.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <thekorn> good morning, btw
[08:01] <persia> Yes.
[08:02] <persia> Looking at "QA Team", I think we're getting good coverage in Bugsquad and Testing, but I'm less sure we're well coordinating the development of QA tools, automation, etc. cleanly.
[08:03] <persia> (yes, we use #ubuntu-quality for this, and lots of people are doing stellar work, but we're just not talking much)
[08:03] <persia> So I'm not convinced that it's best to highlight that team until we get better at it :)
[08:29] <ara> persia, OK :)
[08:40] <ara> mvo, around?
[08:40] <mvo> yes
[08:41] <ara> mvo, OK, I was just wondering why last run of http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/ was 16th Feb
[08:41] <ara> mvo, but I just saw that they are running today
[08:42] <mvo> ara: its still running from a machine at my place that is not 24/7 on. I'm working on moving it to the DC currently, right now its running and will finish in ~4-5h
[08:43] <ara> mvo, nice, thanks!
[08:43] <mvo> ara: there were issues with the kvm installed in the DC, but that should be fixed now, so hopefully this weeks it can (finally!) be daily
[08:43] <ara> mvo, \o/
[08:44] <mvo> :)
[09:03] <phildini> Hello. If I wanted an in-depth look at a particular part of lucid development, namely support for intel core i* processors and graphics, where could I look and possibly contribute?
[09:33] <ara> phildini, hello
[09:33] <ara> phildini, still around?
[09:45] <phildini> ara: yes, actually.
[09:45] <ara> phildini, how do you want to contribute?
[09:46] <phildini> well, for starters I'd like to know where support for the i series is heading. if I can do something to help that particular aim, i'd be willing to do quite a lot, although I am far from a kernel hacker.
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning everybody
[10:16] <davmor2> how the alt's looking so far ara?
[10:17] <ara> davmor2, I just finished syncing and just started my first test
[10:21] <ara> davmor2, have you started with any?
[10:22] <davmor2> still syncing I started it latter I found I wasn't hitting the new images all the while
[10:22] <ara> davmor2, OK; I need you to confirm one thing
[10:22] <davmor2> go on
[10:22] <ara> davmor2, debian-installer screens look funny in KVM, I need to know if it happens in HW as well
[10:23] <davmor2> no probs
[10:49] <davmor2> yay at last
[11:05] <ara> davmor2, congrats!
[11:25] <primes2h> ara: I saw that project, in fact I took my cue from that as I told fader some time ago.
[11:25] <ara> primes2h, have you tried to contact the leads?
[11:25] <primes2h> ara: Hello, sorry :-)
[11:26] <primes2h> ara: It seems a bit dead, but it's a lot different from mine
[11:27] <davmor2> ara: by screwy are you talking random text added to the yes and no tags?
[11:27] <primes2h> ara: In fact they tested laptop given by Canonical
[11:27] <primes2h> and just Canonical employees could test them
[11:28] <primes2h> Moreover those tests are hard to do for a newbie or an ordinary user
[11:30] <primes2h> ara: My intention is to keep the project as simple as possible
[11:30] <ara> primes2h, I am not saying that your project is equal, but, as the other seems dead, if you could contact the lead to confirm the death, you could link to your project from their page
[11:33] <primes2h> ara: I told fader about that, I'm not sure if he said he was in that team. But I'll try to contact the lead (I'm unable to find him/her btw) :-(
[11:34] <primes2h> ara: I'll try #ubuntu-laptop  IRC channel
[11:35] <ara> primes2h, ok, good idea
[11:35] <primes2h> ara: Thank you for pointing me out this.
[11:36] <primes2h> pointing out to me this
[11:37] <primes2h> to this ;-)
[11:37] <primes2h> what a mess
[11:37] <primes2h> 8-)
[11:38] <davmor2> pointing this out to me would of been better ;)
[11:38] <primes2h> point me out to this
[11:38] <primes2h> davmor2: Thank you very much ;-)
[11:38] <davmor2> ara: did you get my message too?
[11:39] <ara> davmor2, oh, I missed it
[11:39] <ara> davmor2, yes, that's what I mean
[11:39] <ara> davmor2, ok, so you have as well
[11:40] <ara> davmor2, I will file it and you can confirm, ok?
[11:40] <davmor2> ara: np's
[11:40] <davmor2> add a screen shot as you're in kvm
[11:41] <ara> davmor2, I will :)
[11:41] <davmor2> it's harder on HW :)
[11:49] <ara> davmor2, bug 526391
[11:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526391 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Debian Installer screen text is corrupted (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526391
[11:52] <davmor2> thanks ara confirmed
[11:52] <ara> davmor2, thanks!
[12:57] <plars> slangasek: the armel desktop images don't need to be on iso tracker.  I think one of them was still building inadvertently, but the netbook ones are our target now
[13:12] <stgraber> ara: you now have the same rights as Henrik
[13:15] <ara> stgraber, thanks
[13:28] <persia> stgraber: How do you feel about adding the iRCC and freenode staff to the channel?
[13:29] <stgraber> would make sense, I'll replicate what we have on -devel for these two teams
[13:30] <persia> Hold on.  Let me grab the wiki with recommended settings.
[13:31] <davmor2> fader_: morning dude iso's are working but faulty ;)
[13:31] <persia> stgraber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination
[13:31] <stgraber> done
[13:31] <persia> stgraber: Please also email ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com to let them know you did it.
[13:32]  * DuCkNeT yawn...
[13:32] <persia> Thanks :)
[13:32] <davmor2> fader_: thought I'd get you used to being on testing again :)
[13:32] <fader_> davmor2: You know I try to avoid doing any real work dude
[13:33] <fader_> Plus I don't know what 'working but faulty' means... is this some British thing where you get to make contradictory statements and not get called on them? :P
[13:33] <davmor2> fader_: the omission of the word real would of made that sentence make a lot more sense
[13:34] <DuCkNeT> i'm kind of late there... is alpha 3 out ?
[13:35] <davmor2> fader_: there are faults on alternates d-i installer but they are only cosmetic mostly
[13:35] <fader_> davmor2: So installs are working today then? :)
[13:36] <davmor2> I have a system installed
[13:48] <jussi01> stgraber: thanks for the mail :)
[14:15] <stgraber> jussi01: np
[14:41] <davmor2> cr3: any desktops with built in nvidia cards?
[14:43] <persia> They do exist.
[14:44] <davmor2> persia: I know that ;) I meant in the lab
[14:45] <persia> Oh.
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Good Morning, Good Evening
[14:48] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca
[15:30] <charlie-tca> xubuntu alternate 64 installation in VBox, most of the prompts have extra text in them
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Looks like code bleeding over
[15:31] <davmor2> charlie-tca: yeap they do fullstop.
[15:31] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you should also get ask loads for grub
[15:31] <charlie-tca> great! Thanks
[15:32] <davmor2> charlie-tca: bug 526391 and bug 526422
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526391 in cdebconf (Ubuntu) "Debian Installer screen text is corrupted (affects: 1)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526391
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526422 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "Grub installer asks too many questions to the user (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526422
[15:48] <charlie-tca> I see. I am behind or slow, huh?
[15:56] <davmor2> charlie-tca: no just a different timezone we won't hold it against you ;)
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Oh, good ;-)
[16:24] <ara> hey davmor2, I have been out a bit, how are things?
[16:24] <ara> are we smelling a respin?
[16:25] <davmor2> ara: probably I'm slowly chugging through the things I signed up to do on 64bit
[18:57] <davmor2> stgraber: you about?
[18:59] <davmor2> stgraber: when you get this can you have a quick look at bug 526616 the ltsp client grabs the image no issues but as soon as the ubuntu logo plymouth (I'm guessing) screen appears it just seems to stop doing anything.
[18:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526616 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "Ltsp lock up during plymouth splash (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526616
[19:00] <slangasek> plars: the one that was posted to the tracker was entirely a misclick, was supposed to be i386 I was posting :)
[19:01] <plars> slangasek: np, I had thought there wouldn't be an image, so it should have been a non-issue.  Just hoping to see the netbook ones soon :)
[19:01] <plars> wouldn't be a desktop image that is
[19:01] <stgraber> davmor2: that's weird, my thin client is booting just fine here ... (updated the chroot today)
[19:01] <stgraber> davmor2: can you look at your syslog on the server for any nbd error
[19:06] <davmor2> stgraber: I can't see I've added syslog to the bug  there's a few bits that look off but I'm not sure.
[19:07] <davmor2> stgraber: it seems to be fine up to the point of the ubuntu logo appearing, in fact I'd say it was faster than normal.
[19:07] <davmor2> stgraber: this is 64 bit too I can try a 32 bit one at some point when I get chance
[19:10] <slangasek> plars: FWIW, the armel netbook images are being spun now, now that gtk+2.0 is installable again on armel
[19:11] <plars> slangasek: I assumed so, good to hear confirmation. Thanks :)
[19:32] <stgraber> davmor2: syslog looks good, I'll be doing a test here
[19:33] <davmor2> stgraber: It might just be a 64bit quirk like I say as soon as I can I'll try a 32bit on the same box
[19:35] <stgraber> davmor2: I'm downloading the 32bit one. I have a libvirt cluster to test here anyway ;)
[19:35] <stgraber> I just deployed two quadcore boxes with 8GB of RAM in my dev network at Revolution Linux (and was looking for something to test it)
[19:36] <davmor2> haha glad I could help stgraber  :)
[20:01] <davmor2> Right I'm off night all
[20:35] <hggdh> has anyone suceeded on installing current daily for server (either 32 or 64)?
[20:37] <fader_> hggdh: We have had some successful installs in the lab
[20:38] <fader_> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current
[20:38] <hggdh> fader_: I tried to install both 64 and 32, both hang after booting, on kvm and vBox
[20:43] <fader_> hggdh: Hmm, may be a virtualization issue... let me zsync one and give it a shot here
[20:44]  * fader_ just got an SSD in the mail and can't decide whether to throw karmic or lucid on it.
[20:44] <fader_> Decisions, decisions.
[20:44] <hggdh> and I am disabling all the graphical thingies to see where it is blowing
[20:44] <hggdh> fader_: if in doubt, send me the SSD and I will take care of it ;-)
[20:44] <fader_> hggdh: Hah!  Hands off :P
[20:44] <hggdh> heh
[20:44] <fader_> hggdh: If it's a server install you shouldn't be getting any graphics
[20:45] <fader_> X isn't even installed by default on server
[20:46] <hggdh> there is the pseudo-graphical thingie at the boot -- usplash?
[20:47] <fader_> Hmm, I hadn't seen that in server either, IIRC.  Though it's been a while since I've done a server install manually
[20:48] <fader_> Unfortunately I didn't have server images zsync'd already so it may be a while before I can confirm here :/
[20:48] <hggdh> fader_: np, and thank you
[20:49] <fader_> hggdh: No worries.  Though wait and thank me after I manage to get an install going, as at this rate it's looking like it will be tomorrow before my zsync is done :'(
[20:49] <hggdh> heh. Mine has been sort of slow also... and the bloody installs failing did not help much in terms of time spent
[20:50] <hggdh> fader_: specifically, there is bug 524434 that *might* be real
[20:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524434 in ubuntu "Lucid Alpha 2 server iso install fails at bootloader in KVM (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524434
[20:52] <stgraber> Ubuntu Alternate i386 with LTSP installed, testing a thin client now
[21:10] <slangasek> plars: first livefs build finished in 1h45, so candidate ISOs should be up for testing in about 1h30
[21:10] <slangasek> GrueMaster: ^^
[21:10] <charlie-tca> exit
[21:10] <GrueMaster> I see it, thanks.
[21:11] <sbeattie> hggdh: I'll give a server image a go on live hardware, but one of things I hit in the past was the server install not being switched to tty1, so it had the remnants of some scary boot errors, but if you did alt-f1, you got to a login and it turned out the install was working fine.
[21:12] <hggdh> sbeattie: sounds like it -- per chance, I had just tried it (after, of course, finding out *how* to send the alt-f1)
[21:13] <hggdh> wll try 32 on kvm, then I will do 64 on kvm again
[21:13] <sbeattie> heh, yeah, that's not obvious in vbox.
[21:13] <hggdh> indeed :-(
[21:13]  * sbeattie is burning server 32 now.
[21:26] <sbeattie> hggdh: do you get bits of corruption during the install/cd verification?
[21:26] <hggdh> sbeattie: you mean like curses gone wild?
[21:27] <hggdh> I do -- sometimes, not all time
[21:27] <sbeattie> kind of wild, like some of the strings aren't null terminated.
[21:27] <hggdh> yes
[21:28] <sbeattie> okay, did you file a bug about it yet?
[21:29] <sbeattie> ah, yeah, bug 526391
[21:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526391 in newt (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Debian Installer screen text is corrupted (affects: 2)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526391
[21:30] <hggdh> yes. So one more thing to test tomorrow
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I just hit bug 505197 on xubuntu desktop manual install
[21:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505197 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "custom partitioning give the error (affects: 7) (dups: 2)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505197
[22:16] <hggdh> ok, I confess I do not know. How do I send a Ctrl-Alt-F1 to a kvm guest?
[22:34] <slangasek> plars, GrueMaster: armel netbook up
[22:34] <GrueMaster> Got it, thanks.
[22:34] <plars> slangasek: thanks!
[22:35] <slangasek> boo, my estimate was off by 5 minutes, should get better at predicting ISO builds
[22:36] <plars> disgraceful!
[22:36] <plars> :)