[00:02] <Riddell> NCommander: not tonight, maybe tomorrow
[00:02] <NCommander> Riddell: *nods*
[00:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, I think jr deployed a fix for that to lucid
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> that's karmic though... what to do with the bug?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> push the bug to the Kubuntu PPA tracker?
[00:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that sure was the weirdest thing I ever did
[00:19] <apachelogger> Mamarok: spent all time since I took over support tracing that issue of beric
[00:20] <apachelogger> turned out to be a crash in X caused by the special circumstances occuring within startkde, whichmakes xrootset trigger some issue that makes X go down
[00:20] <apachelogger> but now I have backtrace and all of that :D
[00:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backport the last kfi before migration to c++ to the ppa
[00:21] <apachelogger> that should work with kde 4.4's ruby-kde
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> k
[00:22]  * apachelogger is falling asleep sitting
[00:22] <apachelogger> -> bed
[00:22] <apachelogger> nini
[01:32] <DarkwingDuck> What's up guys?
[02:33] <ScottK> Wahoo.  Updated and rebooted and can't login to Lucid.  Any suggestions?
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Scott
[02:54] <ScottK> Heya DarkwingDuck.
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: ha, your blog story on that tech support guy made digg front page
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> oh, but you saw, apparently ;-)
[03:22] <shtylman> whoever it was that pointed out weird rendering in konqueror earlier today
[03:22] <shtylman> http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/gamma_dalai_lama.html
[03:22] <shtylman> look at that with various browsers...pretty neat
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> strange, it is green even if konq is in webkit mode
[03:28] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/gamma.html
[03:28] <shtylman> cause of that :)
[03:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please look at Bug #411760 and see if you think it qualifies as a papercut.
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably. It's fixed in trunk but I've not had time to figure out some regressions I've introduced in trunk...
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should make another point release for quickaccess sometime soon
[03:33] <ScottK> OK.  I'd appreciate a comment in the bug ...
[03:33] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> oh neat. I already backported the fixes to the 0.8.x branch last August. All I have to do is release it.
[03:41]  * JontheEchidna puts it on the Todo for tomorrow
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> Ah, I probably never got real far because I was too lazy to get the translations from launchpad merged with what's in bzr
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> sigheth
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to wait until after alpha freeze is over anyways
[03:56] <ScottK> As long as you comment in the bug, I'm happy.
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I did that at least
[03:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I have not been around. Work has been a pain and I'm in the stages of moving my stuff to Mississippi
[04:45] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, 115,000 hits and counting today :)  and only 8 people clicked on an ad :/
[04:45] <nixternal> whoa, I am at 280,000 hits, and still, only 8 people clicking ads
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> Hey nixternal
[04:51] <nixternal> whoa, he's back! :)  wasabi homeskillet
[04:52]  * verbalshadow looks around
[04:53] <verbalshadow> nixternal: did you get your koffice work in  for alpha 3?
[04:54] <nixternal> yup
[04:54] <nixternal> plus, it doesn't matter if it was in for alpha 3, because it is in universe and not shipped
[04:55] <verbalshadow> oh ok
[04:55] <nixternal> looks like i386, amd64, and powerpc have built. armel is building now, ia64 'needs building (19 hours)', and sparc is in dep wait :)
[04:57] <verbalshadow> nixternal: thanks it was the only piece missing from my KDE experience :) i will let you know if i find anything off
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> Not much nixternal
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> Did SCALE and now I'm packing
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be back in the mix once I move :/
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> Pushed KDE, Kubuntu and Documentation quite hard over there
[04:59] <nixternal> verbalshadow: seems to be working just fine. I included KFormula, which doesnt' work by launching (yet), but does work when embedding into kword and such
[04:59] <nixternal> where are you moving?
[05:00] <nixternal> I just gave a talk to an amazing crowd tonight...they were so perceptive, and many of them were KDE users with either Kubuntu, openSUSE, or Fedora...I took 100 CDs (75 Ubuntu, 25 Kubuntu), and the Kubuntu ones were gone ASAP
[05:03] <verbalshadow> nixternal: it is in lucid's universe repo or somewhere else? not intalling here if it in universe already
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> That sounds alot like it was at SCALE nixternal. I'm heading to Meridian, MS
[05:10] <DarkwingDuck> I gave out almost 300 Kubuntu CDs
[05:12] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK, you'll be happy to note that KNR is a HUGE hit
[05:12] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Good to hear.
[05:12] <DarkwingDuck> Mine fried again. However, my tablet should be here on Thursday so I'll be back to testing and bug running
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> Well, hybred tablet.
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> ThinkPad X41
[05:25] <nixternal> verbalshadow: lucid's universe repo...maybe the binaries haven't been copied over yet
[05:28] <nixternal> jussi01: ok, the whole expiration thing with irc ops is a bit bogus personally, so, I will do as it says....DON'T LET ME EXPIRE FROM irc-kubuntu-ops :)  the irc-ubuntu-ops can expire, as I don't idle in there anyways :)
[05:39] <tsimpson> nixternal: you should be able to self-renew
[06:00] <nixternal> tsimpson: it says I can't, says I have to beat up jussio1 in order to do it :)
[06:00] <tsimpson> yeah, I just noticed the settings are wrong on all the groups :|
[06:05] <nixternal> that is awesome! :)
[06:06] <nixternal> http://blindsearch.fejus.com <- this is awesome...enter your search term, pick one of the 3 columns, and see which search engine provided the best results
[06:46] <nixternal> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/23/pc-vs-mac-the-straight-scoop/?test=latestnews  <- go to page 2 of comments, rocdoc says: "I run Linux (Kubuntu) on a $300 webbook, and the whole family loves it. Trouble-free, starts up FAST, no viruses, no spyware, and lots of free applications including SUn's Open Office. It's great!"
[06:46] <nixternal> booyah, let them foxtards know who rule! I watch only fox, and this article was stupid, because I am neither a Mac or a PC
[06:54] <maco2> nixternal: can i get a bit o' help with qt designer?
[06:55] <nixternal> sure
[06:55] <maco2> (i know you're awake thanks to identi.ca ;) )
[06:55] <maco2> nixternal: i'm making a main window in qt designer and i want to 1) tell menu items "use this default kde icon" and 2) set the accelerator keys for menu items
[06:56] <maco2> for #2 i tried "_Quit" like i'm used to from VB and GTK+ and I think Java as well, but that wasnt right :(
[06:56] <maco2> and on #1 the "icon" property just gives me a blank list to choose from in a popup window, so i dont know what to do
[06:57] <nixternal> maco2: don't setup the menu items in qt designer. you can do that with your python/c++ code
[06:57] <nixternal> as there is the default KDE classes for the menus which takes all of the work out of it, plus you use a .rc file for that
[06:57] <maco2> i thought itd be easier in qt designer since i dont yet know much about python
[06:57] <maco2> oooh ok
[06:57] <nixternal> actually, it is much easier doing it outside of qt designer
[06:57] <maco2> should i use qt designer at all?
[06:58] <nixternal> I use qt designer to mock up what I want, then I view its code, which is in C++, and I manually convert it to python, as there is some things I don't need...plus you could always just use pyuic4 to convert your mockup into python code
[06:58] <maco2> i was gonna use pykdeuic4
[06:58] <maco2> since i want to make it pykde not pyqt
[06:59] <nixternal> well, in qt designer, you can use KDE widgets
[07:00] <nixternal> pykde just expands on pyqt, so in qt designer you can use either a...let me think of one where there is a qt version and a kde version
[07:00] <nixternal> QPushButton or KPushButton
[07:00] <maco2> ok sorry i should say "not *just* pyqt" better?
[07:00] <nixternal> hehe, I figured as much anyways :)
[07:00] <jussi01> nixternal: we are fixing the stupid LP crap... you should be able to self renew soon :)
[07:01] <nixternal> jussi01: please send me out another email when you do, as I deleted the other one and I will forget...
[07:01] <jussi01> nixternal: thats the plan
[07:01] <nixternal> actually, LP will continue sending them out to me, so no worries
[07:02] <nixternal> maco2: how intensive is the mainwindow going to be? I think sometimes a .ui file is better if there are going to be a bunch of widgets used..though I haven't benchmarked that all
[07:04] <nixternal> actually, that should be in my book here, "Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt"  <- a great book by the way, by Mark Summerfield, who will even answer your questions on python qt mailing lists :)
[07:04] <maco2> nixternal: 2 panes. left is sorta a table of contents. right will have a phonon video and some text or sometimes itll be a phonon video + some buttons
[07:04] <maco2> so, "not very"
[07:05] <nixternal> oh yeah, I would just code that one up then...I find it easier in the long run
[07:06] <nixternal> and the book says..."Some programmers prefer to do everything in code, whereas others prefer to use a visual design tool to create their dialogs."
[07:06] <nixternal> so I guess it is really up to you and what you are most comfortable with :)
[07:21] <Riddell> maco2: are you using a KMainWindow?
[07:22] <Riddell> jussi01: what's all this about being kicked out of irc operators?
[07:22] <maco2> Riddell: umm now i'm doing whatever http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python/Using_PyKDE_4 says to do, which i havent read all the way through yet, but yeah, i assume thatll be part of it
[07:22] <maco2> Riddell: its a misconfiguration on lp that they're fixing right now
[07:23] <jussi01> Riddell: my apologies, the expiries should have contained a link for self renewal, you should get a new mail tomorrow allowing you to renew.
[07:23] <nixternal> tomorrow as in thursday, or tomorrow as in wednesday :p
[07:23] <jussi01> nixternal: 24h tomorrow
[07:23] <maco2> nixternal: whatever day is 24 hours from now?
[07:24] <jussi01> I dont know, depends when LP decides to send them out
[07:24] <nixternal> it is 01:24, Wed, 24 Feb, so I guess the 25th for me :)
[07:24] <nixternal> hahaha, jussi01 just giving you a hard time, now get back to fixing Launchpad :p
[07:24] <jussi01> shush you :D
[07:24] <nixternal> Riddell: good point, forgot that Qt Designer uses QMainWindow
[07:25] <nixternal> I like using Qt Designer for mock ups, and the c++ code view it provides, making it easy to code up in language $x if need be
[07:25] <maco2> i cant really read c++ so ...
[07:27] <nixternal> maco2: it isn't difficult to quickly learn how to read it in this case, because it will help when you start using the API docs for PyKDE and/or PyQt
[07:27] <nixternal> as all of the examples in the PyKDE/PyQt API docs, are all C++
[07:27] <maco2> thats silly
[07:28] <nixternal> all you need to do is be able to look at a line of C++ code, and see how you can form it into Python markup...really easy 99% of the time
[07:28]  * maco2 notes she knows neither c++ nor python
[07:28] <nixternal> you will after you finish your project :)
[07:28] <maco2> yep
[07:28] <maco2> part of teh goal
[07:28]  * nixternal notes he doesn't know neither c++ or python either, but is damn good at faking it
[07:28] <maco2> ive never really used python for object oriented stuff
[07:29] <maco2> just for writing screen scrapers for webpages
[07:29] <nixternal> for some reason, lambda is difficult for me to remember...easy to learn, but difficult to remember when I should or shouldn't use it
[07:30] <Riddell> maco2: here's the basic KMainWindow template http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebindings/python/pykde4/examples/kdeuiExamples/kapplication.py?revision=820432&view=markup
[07:31] <Riddell> or you can use kapptemplate for a more complete one with menus etc
[07:31] <nixternal> just don't use the 'self.resize()'
[07:31] <maco2> nixternal: whys that?
[07:32] <nixternal> annoying when I open up a window and it resizes to something other than max :)
[07:32] <maco2> ah
[07:33] <maco2> at the release party here we were talking about windows that do silly sizing things
[07:33] <nixternal> Riddell: what I find interesting about that KMainWindow template, as it imports ki18n, yet with the QLabel, it doesn't use it :)
[07:33] <maco2> quassel on my mum's computer always starts about 300x300
[07:34] <nixternal> Label = QLabel(i18n("Foo is bar"), self)  <- and actually self may or may not be needed depending on the context, especially if the label is in another QWidget or Layout
[07:35] <nixternal> anyone using adobe air and tweetdeck in kubuntu? I am thinking of switching from choqok to it
[07:35] <nixternal> tired of choqok crashing everytime I post something
[07:36]  * maco2 looks at this kapptemplate thingy
[07:37] <nixternal> maco2: another good place for examples I have found in the past, is the svn directory for Pardus Linux and their KDE4 stuff
[07:39] <Riddell> maco2: kapptemplate creates an app with menus made from XML GUI in the .rc file (a very KDE way to do that) and the main widget being a .ui file from designer (which in this case you will need to compile with pykdeuic4)
[07:39] <nixternal> oh yeah, I can't believe I totally forgot about kapptemplate.
[07:39] <nixternal> it is kind of our version of quickly
[07:40] <nixternal> Riddell: you don't need to compile the .ui file fyi
[07:41] <Riddell> nixternal: the code says differently
[07:43] <nixternal> oh, it is using that way to load the ui file...well yeah, but in essence, you do not need to compile it
[07:43] <nixternal> though I am guessing it would be quicker if you did
[07:44] <nixternal> alrighty, time to crash and have happy dreams
[07:44] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:46] <maco2> nixternal: good night, and thanks
[07:49] <Riddell> shtylman: no luck with the progress bat then?
[07:49] <Riddell> bar
[08:04] <maco2> Riddell: when KAppTemplate asks me "installation directory:" what does that mean?  does that mean "where should i put the .py and .rc and .ui for you to edit later?" or does it literally mean for installation?
[08:05] <Riddell> the former
[08:10] <maco2> ok
[08:25] <maco2> is there a way to override that "report bug" menu option?
[08:31] <maco2> Riddell: so the .ui is... like a php include?
[08:32] <maco2> it defines a chunk of content to put in that area between the menubar and statusbar?
[08:35] <Riddell> maco2: the .ui defines a widget (which contains other widgets)
[08:36] <Riddell> maco2: in the case of the kapptemplate application that widget gets set as the central widget for the KMainWindow "self.setCentralWidget(myWidget)"
[08:36] <Riddell> a KMainWindow creates a menubar, statusbar and a central widget of your chosing
[08:37] <maco2> so i could make the central widget be 2 panes
[08:37] <maco2> and then have each pane include a different .ui?
[08:37] <Riddell> what do you mean by panes?  using a QSplitter?
[08:38] <maco2> a "horizontal layout"
[08:39] <maco2> with 2 frames
[08:39] <maco2> i think
[08:40] <Riddell> fire up designer, create a new widget, put whatever two widgets on it that you want (could be just QWidgets as placeholders) and put them into a horizontal layout
[08:41] <Riddell> or edit the .ui file kapptemplate gives you
[08:44] <maco2> ok i got two widgets in. i assume i need another widget to tell those two that they should be resizable?
[08:45] <Riddell> if they're in a layout they should resize magically
[08:46] <maco2> you know when you have two boxy things and there's a little handle you can drag to make them relatively bigger and smaller? one of those is what im looking for
[08:49] <Riddell> hand in a corner or as a vertical bar?
[08:49] <Riddell> handle
[08:49] <maco2> vertical bar
[08:50] <Riddell> qsplitter
[08:50] <Riddell> hmm, maybe you can't add a qsplitter in designer
[08:52] <Riddell> maco2: select the two widgets and click "lay out horizontaly in splitter" from the top toolbar
[08:54] <maco2> that's greyed out
[08:54] <Riddell> have you selected two widgets?
[08:54] <maco2> yes
[08:54] <maco2> a scroll area and a frame
[08:54] <Riddell> maybe they're already in a layout
[08:54] <Riddell> click on the background and click Break Layout in the top toolbar
[08:54] <maco2> yes theyre in horizontal layout. can i undo that?
[08:54] <maco2> ok
[08:55] <maco2> oooh that worked! thank you!
[09:10] <maco2> oh a window with stuff in it!
[09:50] <Riddell> sigh, ubiquity crashing
[09:50] <apachelogger> Mamarok: bug 526919 ^^
[09:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is why we need runtime updates I suppose? :P
[09:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, that is abug which seems to be around since 9.04 at least, there have been people reporting this in the ubuntuforums
[09:51] <Mamarok> but they should have made proper bug reports instead of trying to solve things by reinstalling
[09:54] <apachelogger> Mamarok: it is insanely difficult to debug that type of issues
[09:54] <apachelogger> getting a proper trace alone involves at least sshing + editing kdm + knowing the proper symbols or at least where to find documentation
[09:55] <Mamarok> yes, I know, but this is all things we can ask them to do via the bugreports, and we should have a -debug channel for exactly that
[09:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: but yeah, more reports of that kind would be good, I doubt the X dudes can make much out of this report without being able to find a pattern
[09:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: we have kubuntu-bugs
[09:56] <apachelogger> #kubuntu-bugs
[09:56] <Mamarok> oh, I missed that one completely :)
[10:25] <Mamarok> I guess there is no easier way to disable partition encryption than reinstalling, right?
[10:26] <Mamarok> it completely slows down my system, driving me crazy
[10:26] <maco2> yep thats about it
[10:28] <Mamarok> OK, will reinstall, then, good occasion to get rid of the WIndwos partition while I am at it :)
[10:28] <neversfelde> Mamarok: depends on which encryption you are using?
[10:28] <Mamarok> I activated the option when I installed the system
[10:29] <neversfelde> as far as I know that is ecryptfs, probably that helps http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ecryptfs-utils#Deinstallation
[10:29] <maco2> neversfelde: there's a full-disk option that doesnt require a reinstall?
[10:29] <maco2> i thougth ecryptfs was just for home directory or ~/Private
[10:29] <maco2> whole disk, itd be lvm/luks, right?
[10:30] <neversfelde> maco2: I am not sure what happens, when choosing the encrypt option when installing ubuntu
[10:30] <neversfelde> is this an encryption for the whole disk?
[10:30] <maco2> neversfelde: if you mean on a live cd, your only options are encrypt a specific user's home dir or private dir. those are ecryptfs. if you use the text based installer, thats the only way to encrypt a whole partition, afaik, and that's lvm
[10:31] <neversfelde> ok, then there is a good chance that you can remove the encryption without reinstalling or am I wrong?
[10:32] <maco2> if its just on a home dir with ecryptfs you could copy stuff out of teh dir and undo the ecryptfs stuff and copy it back in
[10:32] <maco2> if its a partition though i would assume it means trashing the partition and starting over
[10:32] <neversfelde> yes
[10:33] <maco2> and she said "partition encryption"
[10:40] <Mamarok> yes, it is indeed an encrypted partition, I have my home on a separate one
[10:40] <Mamarok> OK, rsync to the external disk now, that will take ages to install back...
[10:41] <neversfelde> there are problems with the backports ppa. firefox-installer needs kdesudo (>= 3.4.2.3) but only 3.4.2.2-0ubuntu1 is installable on some systems
[11:16] <Riddell> shtylman: I can't work out where progressDialog is ment to be shown, the only place seems to be line 1014 which is commented out
[11:35] <balboa> hi
[11:36] <balboa> i'm creating a kubuntu remix live cd and i want to know how do you customize plasma and kde's settings
[11:38] <Riddell> balboa: for KDE settings  put a config file in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/
[11:39] <Riddell> well that's what kubuntu does
[11:40] <Riddell> to override it you can put a config file in any of kde4-config --path config
[11:40] <Riddell> plasma is more complex, it's not easy to just override the config file, in karmic we had to patch the sources
[11:40] <Riddell> with KDE 4.4 you can use javascript to create an initial setup
[11:41] <balboa> where can i put this script?
[11:42] <Riddell> ours is /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/kubuntu-10.04.js
[11:43] <Riddell> in lucid
[11:43] <balboa> so i have to override it
[11:43] <Riddell> you would remove that and put your own in the same place
[11:45] <balboa> i must use the same name or can i change it?
[11:45] <Riddell> change it
[11:46] <balboa> this script is executed on the fist kde login for every user?
[11:47] <Riddell> first kde login for each user when plasma has not been run before in KDE 4.4
[11:50] <balboa> in this script can i also set the position and dimensions of widgets and panels?
[11:53] <ScottK> Oh how I hate the way people take working just fine stuff and replace it with stuff that's worse.
[11:53] <ScottK> (update notification in particular at the moment)
[11:54] <balboa> Riddell: for other conf (for example to set Folder View as default for the activies) how can i do?
[12:01] <Riddell> balboa: yes you can set most details of the plasma setup, the docs are at http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting
[12:02]  * apachelogger meant to blog about scripting
[12:03] <Riddell> shtylman: I think this new progress bar is the cause of both our ubiquity problems, it causes the crash in bug 526534 and because the progress bar isn't shown that means the install progress bar (which is the same) also isn't shown in bug 526454
[12:05]  * apachelogger tunes in the prodigy and goes after bugs
[12:21] <balboa> Riddell: thank you =)
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> school's closed due to snow \o/
[12:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: this time of the year? :o
[12:25] <Riddell> snow started again here too today
[12:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose you got learning to do eitherway? :P
[12:25] <apachelogger> otherwise you might do some useful stuff :P
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> We're sitting pretty on 20 cm and it's still coming down
[12:27]  * shadeslayer still cant figure out how recorditnow built
[12:27] <shadeslayer> it needs the joschy libs i uploaded after i uploaded recorditnow
[12:28] <apachelogger> maybe it is only optional :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: check the build log
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah im doing that
[12:29] <apachelogger> grrrrrrrr
[12:29]  * apachelogger hates how apport tries to be all smart and sets importance to medium -.-
[12:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it didnt compile though locally
[12:34] <apachelogger> it's an omen!
[12:34]  * apachelogger notes that launchpad constantly renders his chromium useless
[12:34] <apachelogger> maybe there is a javascript bug
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are the joschy libraries packaged in lucid?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> under a different name
[12:38] <apachelogger> no
[12:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ive checked the buildlog.. doesnt complain about missing deps
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39479200/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.recorditnow_0.7%2Bgit20100221-0ubuntu0~ppa1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[12:40] <apachelogger> that is because it did not build anything
[12:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what?
[12:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the package is empty
[12:40] <apachelogger> your rules file is probably wrong or missing something
[12:41] <shadeslayer> hmm like i said the joschy libs
[12:41] <shadeslayer> my inbox if full of you :P
[12:42] <apachelogger> go get a filter :P
[12:43] <shadeslayer> hehe : http://imagebin.ca/view/Tp60tU.html
[12:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so how do i know if a package is empty?
[12:46] <apachelogger> a) there is no cmake run
[12:46] <apachelogger> b) there is no make run
[12:46] <apachelogger> c) there is no mak einstall run
[12:46] <apachelogger> d)
[12:46] <apachelogger>  size 9462 bytes: control archive= 669 bytes.
[12:46] <apachelogger> e) http://paste.ubuntu.com/382945/
[12:46] <apachelogger> all to be seen in the buildlog
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so even if the build deps are satisfied,packages can be emptu
[12:47] <shadeslayer> *empty... wow
[12:48] <apachelogger> well
[12:48] <apachelogger> you dont build anything
[12:48] <apachelogger> hence the package is empty
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I really really really commend you try to implement a rules file like http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debian/rules
[12:50] <apachelogger> to understand what that thing actually does and how it works
[12:50] <apachelogger> there is loads of documentation on this topic
[12:50] <shadeslayer> whoa!
[12:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i saw that on the ubuntu wiki page
[12:52] <Riddell> agateau: was there a decision about colibri and the dbus service file?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you run the kollide.net server?
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope, amarok does
[12:55] <shadeslayer> oh... do they give out memberships?
[12:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cant tell
[12:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:56] <apachelogger> I suppose you could ask
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or contribute super amounts to kubuntu and apply for membership
[12:57] <apachelogger> then you get access to people.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i am thinking of applying :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw the rules file you posted,should that be used as is?
[13:00] <apachelogger> no
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should learn how to write such a thing! :P
[13:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah im reading the wiki :D
[13:02] <agateau> Riddell: no :( we first thought about using a script to choose the implementation to start, then Robert Collins suggested fixing dbus instead and... I did none of them :(
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i guess : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#rules : is enough?
[13:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for the basics
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :o
[13:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the complete guide?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh and btw,kpackagekit cant handle the find best server option in karmic,fixed in lucid?
[13:08] <Riddell> agateau: but but, the kde- and gnome- stuff seemed to work fine when policykit used it
[13:08] <agateau> Riddell: according to the source, it won't, but I guess I should give it a try nevertheless
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah, that should be fixed in 10.04
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ok cool :)
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> that feature has been not working since 8.10. (You can thank amichair for fixing it)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hmm well i couldnt even find it in 8.10 afaik
[13:10] <Riddell> agateau: anyway my question was whether I should let the package into the archive
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: adept used the same dialog (it is in fact a separate program from both adept and kpackagekit)
[13:11] <agateau> Riddell: I would say renaming the .service file is needed at least,
[13:11] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ;-)
[13:11] <agateau> Riddell: so that it does not conflicts with notify-osd
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> amichair: btw, your jockey fixes are out in the wild in lucid
[13:12] <agateau> Riddell: then the "only" problem would be users of both GNOME and KDE (and Colibri)
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> amichair: plus I have commit rights to jockey trunk now, so just throw patches at me ;-)
[13:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I do hope someone has tried using it so we won't discover the bugs I planted there too late after release...
[13:12] <agateau> Riddell: in the worse case they will be able to "fix" the problem by removing colibri
[13:13] <shadeslayer> amichair: thanks :)
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I tried it when your huge batch of patches was released ;-)
[13:15] <amichair> JontheEchidna: how is the notification helper holding out? were there any issues?
[13:15] <amichair> shadeslayer: np :-)
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> amichair: it's been the default for about a month now. No issues found so far :)
[13:16] <amichair> JontheEchidna: coolness. I'm pretty busy these days and not too noisy here, but still lurkin about if u need me :)
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm a bit busier these days too
[13:17] <Riddell> shtylman: I uploaded ubiquity with the integrated progress bar hidden (although I still had the crash when trying it once so maybe that's not the issue) and with the progressDialog shown for the install
[13:38] <shadeslayer> ok ive hit a small hurdle... what are the *.install files for?
[13:47] <shtylman> Riddell: so which version of the installer is the alpha gonna ship with?
[13:48] <shtylman> shadeslayer: they say where to install the files for that particular package
[13:48] <shadeslayer> shtylman: should i leave them if i used dh_make to create them?
[13:49] <shtylman> shadeslayer: sure... you need them or else nothing will be installed with your package
[13:49] <shtylman> either that or a single install file
[13:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:49] <shtylman> the .install just allows one source tree to build multiple debs
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:50] <shadeslayer> shtylman: my debian/ right now : http://pastebin.ca/1808110
[13:51] <shtylman> shadeslayer: makes sense
[13:52] <shtylman> is it a library?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> shtylman: yes
[13:52] <shtylman> if so lib should prefix it
[13:52] <shadeslayer> libjoschey
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:52] <shtylman> likewise for the -dev package
[13:53] <shadeslayer> shtylman: control file : http://pastebin.ca/1808114
[13:54] <shtylman> again you want lib in front of the names... you don't have to put it in front of the source name iirc ... but you can
[13:55] <shtylman> its a good convention for library packages to be called lib<whatever>
[13:55] <apachelogger> IMHO the source package should be called whatever upstream calls its source
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the command to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools?
[13:58] <apachelogger> huh?
[13:59] <apachelogger> it does tell you
[14:00] <shadeslayer> where?
[14:02] <Riddell> shtylman: 2.1.26 is what I uploaded, we'll need to rebuild the images once it's in the archive
[14:02] <apachelogger> somewhere
[14:02]  * apachelogger doesnt know no context, so he cant give no contextual answers
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> could a core-dev sponsor bug 524957 and bug 524955 please?
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we're in freeze
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[14:34] <Riddell> ping tomorrow :)
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> k :)
[15:06] <shtylman> Riddell: that progress bar stuff looks nasty...
[15:13] <Riddell> shtylman: which?
[15:14] <shtylman> the backtrace... out of qt
[15:14] <shtylman> wonder why it suddenly popped up
[15:14] <Riddell> shtylman: mm, yes, it's scary
[15:14] <shtylman> did we change qt versions recently?
[15:14] <shtylman> btw...I installed your ppa version
[15:14] <shtylman> that went well
[15:14] <Riddell> shtylman: the new progress bar seems the likely candidate, the crash happens when it gets used for the first time and it's a new bit of code
[15:14] <Riddell> thanks
[15:15] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed... but I wonder what specifically about it tho
[15:15] <Riddell> it's not happening every time which is annoying
[15:15] <shtylman> cause we arn't exactly doing anything fancy there
[15:15] <shtylman> ooo
[15:15] <shtylman> that makes me think it may be a python qt binding issue
[15:15] <shtylman> something not handling memory correctly
[15:15] <Riddell> it could be although the backtrace doesn't seem to suggest it
[15:15] <shtylman> when things arn't reproducable like that... memory is sometimes a good cause...
[15:16] <Riddell> mm
[15:16] <shtylman> right...but maybe something gets corrupted
[15:20] <maco2> hmmm is there somewhere i could find a list of valid existing KActions?
[15:21] <maco2> techbase has stuff on how to create new ones but i dont see stuff on how to create new ones
[15:21] <maco2> did i just... oh goodness im tired
[15:21] <maco2> techbase has stuff on how to create new ones but i dont see stuff on what already exists
[15:22] <Riddell> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/namespaceKStandardAction.html#a71041e1fa0a0c740e00b423ae684334
[15:24] <maco2> Riddell: thanks. thats a mighty long list
[15:24] <Riddell> it's stuff like that which make KDE nice and consistent
[15:26] <maco2> :-/ do i have to do something other than throw <Action> tags into the ui.rc file to make them show up?
[15:26] <maco2> because i still see a lack of toolbar
[15:33] <Riddell> maco2: yes you have to add it to the actioncollection
[15:33] <Riddell> self.actionCollection().addAction("showcurrentmonth", curMonthAction)
[15:33] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/dDmgxphM
[15:37] <maco2> still no buttons on toolbar :-/
[15:37] <maco2> i have to leave for a class now though
[15:37] <maco2> thanks for the help
[17:11] <shtylman> is anyone else getting gpg errors on the main repos?
[17:15] <nixternal> lucid or karmic?
[17:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for the blog post.  I think I got the same X crash.
[17:18] <shadeslayer> shtylman: servers are overloaded right now,dunno if thats causing them errors
[17:22] <shtylman> nice
[17:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: on karmic?
[17:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Oh, no.  Similar symptoms on Lucid.
[17:27] <ScottK> Can't login after updating yesterday.
[17:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: you could try my trace path ^^
[17:28] <ScottK> I could.  ENOTIME for now.
[17:28] <apachelogger> ohhh, latest comment on that post suggest that it might be a race between the xset and xsetroot
[17:29]  * apachelogger finds that possible
[17:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe update fixes it anyway
[17:29] <ScottK> I'm hoping.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ok well if i have to put upstream authours... would this : http://gitorious.org/~just : suffice?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:06] <maco2> im looking at http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/phonon/Phonon.MediaSource.html and i have the import line like it says and then it tells me "MediaObject vid;" is invalid syntax (with or without the ; as in the example and whether i put Phonon.MediaObject or just MediaObject) and i dont know why :-/  any of you more experienced people know?
[18:08] <shtylman> Riddell: so we need to undo the hide progress bar changes after the alpha and see whats up right?
[18:08] <shtylman> maco2: is your spacing correct?
[18:09] <shtylman> maco2: python is very picky about leading whitespace ... needs to be either tabs or spaces... you can't mix and match
[18:09] <shtylman> maco2: also... are you trying to make a new variable vid there?
[18:09] <shtylman> if you are.. thats not how you do it in python
[18:10] <shtylman> maco2: that documentation shows the c++ example
[18:10] <shtylman> which is misleading
[18:10] <shtylman> what you would do is vid = MediaObject()
[18:10] <shtylman> and you never need the trailing ';' in python
[18:11] <maco2> shtylman: silly documentation! thank you roman
[18:11]  * nixternal warned you about the examples :p
[18:12] <shtylman> maco2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/383161/
[18:12] <shtylman> no probs
[18:12] <maco2> nixternal: it said python at the top. i thought i was safe :(
[18:13] <apachelogger> python safe
[18:13] <apachelogger> haha
[18:13] <apachelogger> rofl
[18:13] <apachelogger> :D
[18:14] <nixternal> shush you ruby lover
[18:14] <maco2> O_o
[18:14] <apachelogger> c lover!
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I saw here that there was interest in plasma-fying amarok's OSD. Amarok has KNotify notifications built in, but not enabled by default. It'd be trivial to enable these in k-d-s
[18:14] <apachelogger> asm+c lover
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> oh, "here" being https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidAyatanaIntegration
[18:14] <maco2> why does vid.setCurrentSource("file.mov") tell me that the str is an unexpected argument?
[18:15] <apachelogger> some nice asm warapped up in some evne nicer c
[18:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I do not think that we want that
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: makes the notification area even busier than it is already
[18:16] <apachelogger> ScottK might go insane!
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:16] <nixternal> maco2: it is looking for a QString. try vid.setCurrentSource(QString("file.mov")) and see if you still get it
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah. it is a bit busy, especially if you skip through a ton of songs really quickly
[18:16] <shtylman> nixternal: python string to qstring happens implicitly
[18:17] <nixternal> i thought it did, so I am wondering about that
[18:17] <ScottK> I just want my nice little update icon back.
[18:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I do not think it is suited anyway
[18:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the information is rather useless, not worth a notification
[18:17] <apachelogger> IMHO
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be too hard to make the OSD display a nice Plasma dialog as a background, though. Right?
[18:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  Don't enable those by default.
[18:17] <apachelogger> dantti: can ScottK get his update icon back?
[18:18] <maco2> QString is not defined
[18:18] <nixternal> oh oh
[18:18] <shtylman> maco2: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/phonon/Phonon.MediaObject.html#obj3067838764
[18:18] <maco2> im missing an import, i assume
[18:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I would think something like kmix does would make sense?
[18:18] <shtylman> setCurrentSource does not take a string
[18:18] <ScottK> dantti and I already discussed it once.
[18:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I recon that is osd-like
[18:18] <shtylman> it takes a media source
[18:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and also rathe ruseless information ;)
[18:18] <nixternal> maco2: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/phonon/Phonon.MediaObject.html  -  setCurrentSource(self, Phonon.MediaSource source)
[18:19] <maco2> shtylman: but it says "You can just as well use a QUrl or QString (for a local file) here"
[18:19] <shtylman> maco2: m.setCurrentSource(MediaSource(filename)) is what you want
[18:19] <apachelogger> dantti: in that case, forget about the icon ... much more important, did you push the patch yet?
[18:19] <dantti> apachelogger, ScottK can it be for 0.6.1?
[18:19] <ScottK> dantti: When is that for?
[18:19] <dantti> apachelogger: yup, you should see it on next monday release
[18:19] <maco2> shtylman: oooh that version ran
[18:19] <shtylman> maco2: it isn't picking up the automatic conversion
[18:20] <shtylman> m.setCurrentSource(QString(filename)) should also work
[18:20] <dantti> ScottK: that's when I get kde 4.4 packages :P
[18:20] <dantti> so i can port to the new systray class
[18:20] <maco2> shtylman: i think im missing an import to be able to use QString
[18:20] <ScottK> dantti: You're using the wrong distro then....
[18:20] <shtylman> but either way yea... creating the source explicitly like you did should work
[18:20] <shtylman> yes
[18:20] <shtylman> from pyQt4.QtCore import  QString
[18:20] <dantti> ScottK: nah... I like to be stable..
[18:20] <shtylman> or something along those lines
[18:20] <dantti> have to work sometimes
[18:20] <apachelogger> dantti: oh, monday already... cool ... I was just wondering because I di dnot see anything in cgit.fd.o's log of packagekit
[18:21] <ScottK> dantti: Sure.  You might try a Kubuntu live CD if you want 4.4 for a while.
[18:21] <dantti> apachelogger: every first monday of the month you get a new PK release
[18:21]  * apachelogger didnt know that
[18:21] <dantti> ScottK: but then I can't compile kpk for me :/
[18:21] <apachelogger> also, I do not think KDE 4.4 for debian will be very stable
[18:22] <apachelogger> AFAIK they stripped all of kdelibs
[18:22] <ScottK> dantti: Sure you can.  It'll just be slow.
[18:22] <apachelogger> that is bound to cause problems in the beginning
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: s/stripped/split?
[18:22] <apachelogger> right
[18:22] <dantti> ScottK: I'm talking about compiling last kpk on my debian box
[18:22]  * apachelogger has problems with finding the right words lately, maybe I should get that cecked out -.-
[18:23] <dantti> ScottK: any way 4.4 will arive pretty soon afaik
[18:23] <ScottK> dantti: You should be able to make a Kubuntu Lucid chroot and build it in that
[18:23] <apachelogger> or just install kubuntu and drop debian :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:23] <dantti> ScottK: I know, I could setup a virtual box and such.. but really i want to be able to compile it..
[18:24]  * apachelogger needs to do some learning
[18:24] <ScottK> dantti: You can make a pbuilder chroot and build it no problem.
[18:24] <dantti> apachelogger: guess I'm on the wrong channel but I still prefer debian :P
[18:24] <ScottK> I do Debian pbuilders on the *buntu boxes all the time.
[18:24] <ScottK> Sure, but no need to let Debian's slowness block your work.
[18:25]  * apachelogger is wondering
[18:25] <dantti> ScottK: I doesn't block, I have lots of others things to do meanwhile
[18:25] <apachelogger> couldnt you work against kde 4.3's kdelibs-experimental for now?
[18:25] <apachelogger> I suppose debian got tha
[18:25] <dantti> *it
[18:25] <apachelogger> and the API difference is not all that large I think
[18:25] <apachelogger> -> gone
[18:28] <dantti> apachelogger: there is, but I don't want to worry about that for now, pretty soon there will be packages and I need to do some API breaks in PK to work better with apt
[18:28] <dantti> also I'm trying to add popcon to it.. but maybe only in 0.7.. now :(
[18:50]  * JontheEchidna kindly nudges bored people towards https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[19:02]  * jussi01 wonders what people use for ripping cd's?  
[19:04] <Tm_T> jussi01: Konqueror?
[19:05] <Tm_T> ...well, that's what I used anyway, Amarok does it doo
[19:05] <Tm_T> or, did
[19:12] <neversfelde> jussi01: I think Audex does this too
[19:12] <jussi01> !info audex
[19:13] <jussi01> neversfelde: Ill try that, thansk :)
[19:20] <Mamarok> hm, I have not a clue with the current questions in #kubuntu
[19:20] <Mamarok> samba shares and kiosk is not exactly where is excel
[19:21] <Mamarok> network drivers neither
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> mm, I don't really know anything about that either :(
[19:36] <seele> UGH.. there has to be something wrong with my encrypted home directory. it takes seconds to for a list of files to show up in the file picker, and seconds for it to respond after selecting a file
[19:44] <shtylman> seele: its a feature :)
[19:44] <shtylman> anyone remember what command lets me put an ayatana style notification (or regular notification) on the screen?
[19:44] <shtylman> when I say command... I mean executable or whatnot... not api
[19:44] <maco2> notify-send ?
[19:45] <shtylman> is that still available in lucid?
[19:45] <ScottK> shtylman: Yes, that's not part of the KDE stuff we dropped.
[19:46] <neversfelde> The program 'notify-send' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:46] <neversfelde> sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin
[19:46] <shtylman> ScottK: ;(
[19:46] <neversfelde> mhh, this is a fresh install
[19:46] <ScottK> neversfelde: Not suprising.  That's never been part of our default install.
[19:47] <neversfelde> ok
[19:48] <jussi01> seele: I have that also... its a major grumble
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> whoa, trippy: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6690/amarokosd.png
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> (wrong plasma theme and the shadow's a bit weird...)
[19:51] <shtylman> woa...
[19:52] <shtylman> weird
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> I still have a bit of work to do, obviously :D
[19:52] <shtylman> heh
[19:53] <seele> jussi01: shtylman: it is *really* annoying. to the point i might revert back to a regular partition
[19:54] <shtylman> seele: I never got into the whole encrypted partition stuff
[19:54] <shtylman> maybe onday I will
[19:54] <seele> shtylman: i can see the value in it for a laptop and you travel or take it with you to a lot of places
[19:57] <shtylman> seele: indeed
[20:03] <seele> oh
[20:03] <seele> maco2: i'm going to be on tv :P
[20:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: md5 problem for kfritz fixed upstream
[20:17] <nixternal> neversfelde: seriously, choqok doesn't crash for you?
[20:18] <nixternal> do you use twitter with it?
[20:18] <nixternal> it is driving me up a wall
[20:18] <neversfelde> nixternal: no crashes and I used twitter for the last few weeks to test it
[20:18] <nixternal> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209203
[20:19] <nixternal> that is the same exact thing I am experiencing
[20:20] <nixternal> I have --purged your package, reinstalled it, removed all config files, you name it
[20:20] <neversfelde> nixternal: mhh, I am not sure, if I ever send messages to both identi.ca and twitter
[20:20] <neversfelde> I will test it
[20:20] <nixternal> neversfelde: do a couple of them, quick post (ctrl+t) @nixternal - just to see if it happens to you
[20:21] <nixternal> if it doesn't, I will find you and steal your choqok!
[20:21] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:21] <nixternal> if you do 2 of them, and it doesn't happen, i will be mad
[20:21] <nixternal> should mention that it is when I quickpost
[20:22] <nixternal> yeah, looks like a quickpost only bug
[20:23] <nixternal> is there a choqok irc channel?
[20:28] <Tonio_> hi there :)
[20:28] <Tonio_> I notice something strange with knetworkmanager...
[20:28] <Tonio_> right and left click on the icon should display the same menu
[20:29] <Tonio_> but in my case, right click displays empty lignes instead of my connections' name
[20:29] <Tonio_> anyone to confirm ?
[20:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Reboot 5 times and see if that helps.
[20:47] <shtylman> hahaha
[20:47] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, I did it 6 times
[20:47] <nixternal> have to start over now, next week though
[20:52] <maco2> shtylman: check this out. i set src.__class__.__name__ = "Phonon.MediaSource" and then get this: TypeError: Phonon.VideoPlayer.load(Phonon.MediaSource): argument 1 has unexpected type 'Phonon.MediaSource'
[20:52] <maco2> shtylman: i think youre right about kdebindings being broken
[20:53]  * maco2 mocks "error! the expected type and the received type are the same!"
[20:54] <shtylman> maco2: what happens if you do: print(Phonon.VideoPlayer.play) ?
[20:55] <shtylman> maco2: nvm.. im looking at it on my machine
[21:00] <maco2> shtylman: lp:~maco.m/gally/trunk (it should be at rev7)
[21:02] <shtylman> maco2: how do you make it?
[21:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's interesting (Amarok having normal kde notifications)
[21:03] <Riddell> we should look into that
[21:04] <Riddell> shtylman: yes we should investigate the crash more fully after alpha 3, although I'm not sure where to start
[21:04] <shtylman> Riddell: k
[21:05] <maco2> shtylman: pykdeuic4 -o twoPane.py twoPane.ui
[21:05] <maco2> shtylman: and then just "python Gally.py"
[21:05] <shtylman> right
[21:05] <shtylman> k
[21:05] <shtylman> I will investigate
[21:21] <Riddell> maco2: well, here's an interesting thing
[21:21] <Riddell> s/from PyKDE4.phonon import */from PyQt4.phonon import */
[21:21] <Riddell> now why do we have two phonon bindings?
[21:22] <maco2> Riddell: thats what a kid in my class suggested
[21:22] <Riddell> how annoying that we don't still have sime hanging around here to quiz on that
[21:23] <maco2> Riddell: that works!
[21:23] <Riddell> yay!
[21:28] <maco2> Riddell: i file bug now?
[21:30] <Riddell> maco2: I think it would be better to ask upstream
[21:30] <Riddell> probably e-mailing the pyqt mailing list asking what best practice is
[21:30] <maco2> Riddell: i thought by upstream you meant kde
[21:31] <seele> maco2: do you kno Brian Behlendorf?
[21:31] <maco2> asking why type(Phonon.MediaSource(foo)) returns "PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource" for PyKDE4 and "PyQt4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource" for PyQt3
[21:31] <maco2> *PyWt4
[21:31] <maco2> *PyQt4
[21:31] <maco2> CANT TYPe
[21:31] <maco2> seele: dont think so
[21:32] <seele> hmm.. ok
[21:32] <maco2> why?
[21:32] <Riddell> maco2: yes could ask them (him, simon) too
[21:32] <seele> maco2: he does some government open source stuff. was wondering if he was going to be at this interview thing tomorrow
[21:33] <maco2> seele: oh, no idea
[21:33] <maco2> seele: are you doing it too, then?
[21:33] <seele> [15:03:18] <seele> maco2: i'm going to be on tv :P
[21:33] <maco2> seele: wait where was that...
[21:33] <seele> in this channel an hour and half ago?
[21:34] <maco2> 15:03... i wouldve been walking from lunch to class
[21:34] <maco2> and thus offline
[21:34] <seele> what's the point of screening your irc sessions if you dont check the backlog?
[21:35] <Riddell> ** New Alpha Candidate ISOs need testing
[21:38] <Riddell> don't all jump at once
[21:39]  * JontheEchidna downloads
[21:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: which are you downloading?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/3698
[21:39] <Riddell> groovy
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll give amd64 a spin after dinner
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wonder why I didn't install amd64 on here in the first place...
[21:45] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: the backport in backports ppa of the kubuntu-firefox-installer depends on kdesudo (>= 3.4.2.3)
[21:46] <neversfelde> but only 4.2.2 is in karmic without backports enabled
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> bleh, might be easier to just remove the dependency in the code rather than backport yet another package
[21:46]  * JontheEchidna puts this on the todo
[21:48] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: my desktop is still broken, but it should be ready again soon. I can have a look at it, if you want?
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: that'd be great, thanks
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> it will either require a) backporting kdesudo or b) not using the --desktop parameter in k-f-i, but rather directly invoking /usr/bin/kubuntu-firefox-installer with kdesudo
[21:52] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I would choose a, because I have no idea about b at the moment :)
[21:55] <maco2> seele: it's not screened
[21:56] <maco2> seele: i have no idea why it didnt say i had /quit
[21:56]  * seele shrugs
[22:25] <Zorael> The current daily live amd64 image stops when booting and prompts me to "provide a name for this Disc, such as 'Debian 5.0.3 disk 1'".
[22:25] <Zorael> Plymouth eventually times out to show me this.
[22:25] <Riddell> erk
[22:26] <Riddell> no idea what that's about
[22:26] <Riddell> but we'll be able to confirm it shortly
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> sorry for the noise
[22:38] <Zorael> Ubiquity crashes with a PartMan.py traceback when trying to create a new partition in advanced mode. "...in partman_create_dialog for method, name, description in self.ctrlr.dbfilter.create_use_as(devpart): AttributeError: 'Page' object has no attribute 'create_use_as'"
[22:39] <EagleScreen> that means thet I cannot use the daily Live CD to install in expert partitionning mode?
[22:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: who or what is stubby?
[22:41] <Riddell> Zorael: do report that as a bug with   ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[22:50] <neversfelde> nixternal: I am not sure, how I can help with this choqok problem, tell me, if I can do something.
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that wiki page is a stub
[22:56] <Riddell> aah
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[23:07] <Riddell> ~
[23:07] <maco2> Riddell: whatcha doin?
[23:07] <Riddell> irc abstract art
[23:09] <neversfelde> cats on the keyboard?
[23:10] <Riddell> I can't use that excuse any more, the cats went away
[23:10] <neversfelde> mhh :)
[23:16] <Riddell> Zorael: please report your results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all too
[23:16]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:17] <Zorael> Right, I'm just still trying to get a net connection to said machine :3
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm, /usr/share/icons/oxygen/icon-theme.cache is still present in the latest isos...
[23:42] <Zorael> Can't ubuntu-bug ubiquity either; "cannot import name unicode_gettext"