[00:00] <Bugsbane> Is there an easy way to get an alert when a particular package is updated in the repo's?
[00:04] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Bugsbane, yeah, sudo apt-get update , to check
[00:06] <Bugsbane> BluesKaj-Laptop: haha. Problem is the package wopn't install atm. That's why I want to know when it's updated
[00:08] <Bugsbane> I'd rather not be trying sudo apt-get install koffice-kde4 every single day for months
[00:14] <Technoviking> does dpkg-recongigure xserver-xorg not work in lucid?
[00:14] <BluesKaj-Laptop> no, just update period , if there is one, it will come down the pipe
[00:15] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Technoviking, which graphics card?
[00:15] <Technoviking> nvidia
[00:16] <Technoviking> was testing noeveua driver and no it is messed up
[00:16] <BluesKaj-Laptop> nvidia , model #?
[00:16] <Technoviking> 9400m gs
[00:16] <BluesKaj-Laptop> you should be installing the 195 version from the ppa
[00:16] <Technoviking> which ppa?
[00:18] <Technoviking> BluesKaj-Laptop: ?
[00:22] <Bugsbane> BluesKaj-Laptop: Were you saying that to me? If so, the problem is that it's not installed in the first place and has broken deps so I can't install it. That's why update isn't going to tell me about it...
[00:23] <Bugsbane> So I just need to get some kind of notification when koffice-kde is updated, although it's not installed...
[00:24] <Bugsbane> which I think jriddel said was planned (although he didn't say when)
[00:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Bugsbane,  http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/how-to-install-nvidia-190xx-drivers-in.html
[00:30] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj-Laptop: it is now in the repository
[00:30] <charlie-tca> install it through hardware drivers
[00:33] <BluesKaj-Laptop> charlie-tca,I hope Bugsbane reads your post...I already have it installed
[00:34] <charlie-tca> ooops
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I installed a couple of days ago, myself
[00:35] <Kai_> why is there a distribution upgrade available? I'm running lucid alpha 2.
[00:35] <Kai_> alpha 3 is in two days
[00:36] <BluesKaj-Laptop> one does get tired of helping those who won't help themselves tho ... I mean is so hard to google-linux for answers
[00:36] <charlie-tca> I know
[00:36] <BluesKaj-Laptop> is it so hard ?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Kai_: ????
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Seems to be almost impossible, doesn't it?
[00:36] <Kai_> BUGabundo: hi!
[00:37] <BUGabundo> what are you seeing?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> then again I update every 4h
[00:37] <BUGabundo> so its long gone A2
[00:37] <Kai_> well, it does include the rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store package and others
[00:37] <Kai_> so it looks a lot like alpha 3
[00:42]  * BluesKaj-Laptop wonders what alpha 3 is supposed to look like
[00:49] <Kai_> oh no, my laptop overheated.
[00:59] <Bugsbane> BluesKaj-Laptop: Erm, I was talking about Koffice... I'm on an ATI card :)
[01:24] <arand> liveCD now has support for TORAM \o/
[01:32] <Kai_> almost done with the distribution upgrade :D
[02:36] <Sensiva> Hello, I am running Lucid in vbox, and added my shared folders in fstab, but I have to make it noauto, or else boot process stops at mounting
[02:36] <git__> hiya
[02:43] <Kai_> I just did a distribution upgrade and now Firefox is dead. Here's something it says: Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error.
[02:44] <Kai_> I even purged it and reinstalled... no luck
[02:45] <git__> what ver of firefox u using?
[02:46] <Kai_> 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu5
[02:46] <Kai_> abrowser also has the same problem.
[02:46] <Kai_> perhaps it's something to do with xul
[02:48] <tntc> I'm having a goofy issue with lcd brightness.  Sometimes I get TRIPLE brightness events, sometimes double.  disabling gnome-power-manager and setting brightness_in_hardware recudes it to one, but if I only do one or the other, I still get two.
[02:49] <tntc> any thoughts on how I can just get gnome-power-manager to manage my brightness?  I'd even be ok with just bios managing it.  I'm on a Dell mini 1012
[02:53] <DanaG> hmm, do you know if you have anything that needs HAL?  if not, try removing "hal".
[02:53] <DanaG> Intel graphics, right?  That should have backlight support in xrandr -- and thus not need hal.
[02:54] <tntc> Indeed, intel graphics.  I tried removing hal.  It killed my synaptics touchpad (but some udev additions I pulled from the interbutts got it working again)
[02:54] <tntc> alas, I still had the same issue with brightness.
[02:54] <tntc> Apparantly dell has some goofy thing on many systems that control brightness with the hardware keys in addition to the acpi events.
[02:55] <tntc> (maybe)
[02:56] <tntc> Is there a way to fool gnome-power-manager into sending events to a dummy acpi event thinger and just let the dell thingg actually change the brightness?  GPM seems to still SEE the events, going so far as to show the double changes.
[02:56] <tntc> I still want it to be able to dim the screen automagically, so it seems unlikely
[02:57] <DanaG> hmm, the "video" parameter has a "brightness_switch_enabled" parameter
[02:57] <DanaG> try sudo modprobe -r video; sudo modprobe video brightness_switch_enabled=0
[02:58] <tntc> modprobe -r video fails because it's in use by the intel driver
[02:58] <tntc> but I'll try adding those params to the module
[02:58] <DanaG> I'm not sure what the default is.
[02:59] <tntc> in /etc/modules, right? modprobe video brightness_switch_enabled=0?
[02:59] <DanaG> you can also try killing g-p-m and starting it with --verbose in console.
[02:59] <DanaG> Actually, it's "options" when in one of those files.
[03:00] <tntc> video options brightness_switch_enabled=0 or...?
[03:01] <DanaG> options video brightness_switch_enabled=0
[03:02] <tntc> cool. Thanks DanaG.  Also, i noticed before, blacklisting video didn't work, even in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.  any idea why?
[03:02] <virtuald> in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf
[03:03] <DanaG> hmm, probably because "intel" explicitly depends on it.
[03:03] <tntc> so it'll load it even if it's blacklisted?
[03:03] <tntc> I have to say, other than the brightness issue and the touchpad being a little strange, this little guy is a hell of a linux machine.
[03:04] <tntc> I'm moving away from Windows 7 because it seems to like dropping network connections randomly
[03:04] <DanaG> tntc: check if your access points can handle wireless power savings.
[03:05] <DanaG> My school's APs can't.... and thus can be flaky sometimes.
[03:05] <DanaG> the win7 troubleshooter told me that.
[03:05] <DanaG> Anyway, my brightness control issue on radeon is worse: hotkeys show OS but don't change brightness.
[03:05] <tntc> DanaG: bah. it's not just wireless.  This is on every win7 machine I've owned.  Including wired connections.
[03:05] <DanaG> it keeps setting the level to the same number over and over.
[03:06] <DanaG> hmm, maybe you have bad karma? =þ
[03:06] <tntc> DanaG: if you echo a number directly into brightness, does it work?
[03:06] <tntc> DanaG: hehe :) Maybe, but I'm not the only one with bad karma then.
[03:06] <DanaG> Yeah, and in fact, even the brightness applet works... as long as HAL is installed.
[03:06] <DanaG> Remove HAL... no brightness control at all.
[03:06] <tntc> DanaG: guh.  that's stinks.  perhaps a module not getting autoloaded by HAL?
[03:07] <tntc> similiar to my touchpad issue?
[03:07] <DanaG> My issue seems to be that radeon doesn't support BACKLIGHT in xrandr.
[03:54] <LADmaticCA> my sound is kinda fuzzy, is there a mixer for pulse audio?
[04:01] <syn-ack> We are currently at Alpha 3 now, right?
[04:17] <arand> syn-ack: 25th innit?
[04:17] <syn-ack> arand: I was told there was a 3 day push back on the release
[04:18] <syn-ack> I had checked the timeline lastnight and it said today, must have been a last minute decision to hold off on it
[04:18] <arand> although currrent state probably going to be whats in the alpha, yea, but the freze isn't that hard I think..
[04:19] <arand> release schedule has always said a4 on 25th
[04:20] <syn-ack> we're barely going to be in a3
[04:20] <LADmaticCA> my sound is kinda fuzzy, is there a mixer for pulse audio?
[04:20] <syn-ack> arand: <jdong> I think a 3-day pushback.
 Ok, so I'm NOT nuts
 just got the freeze announcement this morning
 which mentioned a schedule delay :)
 so no, you probably correctly marked your calendar
[04:20] <syn-ack> LADmaticCA: sure is. Are you in Gnome XFCE or what?
[04:20] <LADmaticCA> syn-ack, gnome
[04:21] <syn-ack> LADmaticCA: right click on the speaker in your tray and select Properties
[04:21] <LADmaticCA> syn-ack, my speaker is missing in the tray
[04:22] <syn-ack> oh noes
[04:23] <syn-ack> Anybody happen to know the cli command for the sound properties? I run Xubuntu and I nuked my Ubuntu VM for a dailies install about 20 mins ago
[04:23] <syn-ack> I don't remember it right off hand
[04:24] <syn-ack> ah, there it is. gnome-volume-control
[04:25] <LADmaticCA> syn-ack, thanks. I was hoping for a pcm adjustment though
[04:29] <syn-ack> LADmaticCA: check the properties. I *think* you may be able to select it
[04:30] <LADmaticCA> syn-ack, thanks. Fixed it. Apparently the volume was just set too high
[04:30] <syn-ack> ;)
[05:15] <voidmage> anyone else in here having hard locks still? it's getting annoying really fast
[05:17] <ZykoticK9> voidmage, i had my 1st hard lock today - running since the beginning of the month (was playing Doom 1 at the time)
[05:18] <voidmage> mm
[05:18] <nigelb> someone running lucid can pastebin a file for me?  Please go to /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/
[05:18] <voidmage> i keep thinking they go away
[05:18] <voidmage> then they come back
[05:18] <nigelb> and copy the source_audio.py to a pastebin
[05:19] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, that file doesn't exist on my system?  sorry.
[05:19] <nigelb> ZykoticK9: ugh! its got to be there somewhere
[05:19] <nigelb> ZykoticK9: try in symptoms folder
[05:20] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, symptoms folder?  is that in a different location?
[05:20] <nigelb> it would be in /usr/share/apport
[05:20] <ZykoticK9> symptoms has a audio.py
[05:20] <voidmage> ZykoticK9: that was another hard lock
[05:20] <voidmage> :P
[05:21] <voidmage> (if i quit, it's probably because i hard locked)
[05:21] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, "locate source_audio.py" shows nothing
[05:22] <nigelb> ZykoticK9: its the audio.py I want
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> nigelb, http://pastebin.com/xZ2vaYUS - sorry Ubuntu's pastebin not resolving for my right now
[05:24] <nigelb> ZykoticK9: thanks a lot :)
[05:24]  * nigelb hugs ZykoticK9 :)
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> lol
[05:25] <voidmage> yeah...
[05:25] <voidmage> this is only /kind of/ annoying
[05:35] <voidmage> i'm practically on edge here, if it even looks like it's locked up i'm already reaching for the reset button
[05:35] <voidmage> :|
[05:38] <e3as> HI i am installing Ubuntu 10.4 After creating The partitions I get error of OUT OF RANGE in my asus Moniter but in 9.10 its solved By pressing alt ctrl + But it doesnt work in ubuntu 10.4 the lucid How can i Solve this problam
[05:41] <e3as> Anyone there
[05:41] <voidmage> trying to
[05:41] <voidmage> but i keep crashing
[05:41] <voidmage> :P
[05:41] <ZykoticK9> e3as, i'm affraid i really don't know - can you choose Safe Graphics mode or something like that?
[05:42] <e3as> it doesn't work i tried it
[05:42] <ZykoticK9> e3as, what gfx card are you using?
[05:42] <e3as> Zykotick9   NVDIA
[05:42] <e3as> gforce
[05:43] <e3as> NVIDIA
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> e3as, well then i really don't know - never had any problem with Nvidia before...
[05:44] <e3as> I had this problam also with 9.10 ubuntu but it was solved by pressing alt ctrl + while error but the same does'nt work in ubuntu 10.4
[05:45] <ZykoticK9> e3as, you might want to file a bug -- that's all the advice "I" can give... sorry.  Keep asking in the channel (not too often), perhaps someone else will have something better
[05:49] <e3as>  zykotick9     ok
[05:53] <voidmage> there we go
[05:53] <voidmage> had to boot into recovery mode, run nvidia-bug-report.sh and copy the file to my home directory, and run ubuntu-bug with elinks
[05:53] <voidmage> but i finally reported the bug without hard locking in the process
[05:54] <om26er> power applet is not showing any drop down when clicked
[05:54] <e3as> Hi I get error of OUT OF RANGE in My ASUS Moniter While Installing Ubuntu 10.4 How can i Solve it
[05:55] <om26er> any one else facing this
[05:57] <e3as> Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:59] <e3as> CAn Anyone Solve My prob of OUT OF RANGE
[05:59] <e3as> HElp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:59] <om26er> e3as, use stable release
[06:00] <om26er> !help
[06:00] <e3as> om26er I want to use 10.4 the new one
[06:00] <om26er> e3as, its not released
[06:01] <e3as> om26er I downloaded it and it work in vmware
[06:01] <om26er> e3as, its the development release if ubuntu and development releases have bug many bugs
[06:02] <e3as> Its ok i vmware but only the prob is that on viewsonic moniter its installed but not on ASUS
[06:05] <om26er> ahaa just updated rhythmbox and now next/previous buttons are greyed out in indicator application menu
[06:06] <e3as> om26er Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> Hey guys, what time is the release tomorrow?
[08:29] <Damascene> hi,
[08:29] <Damascene> any one having issues with adding channels to favorite in Xchat
[08:49] <BUGabundo_remote> bom dia
[09:25] <yofel> morning folks, back again
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> hey yofel
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> wb
[09:25] <BUGabundo_remote> what have you been up too?
[09:26] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: helping a friend moving, took the whole of last week
[09:36] <BUGabundo_remote> you guys moved the all house on your back or something
[09:37] <yofel> haha, nope, but there was some renovation work to be done first and moving from Stuttgart to Berlin (~600km) takes a while ;)
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> right
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> well, glad to have you back
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> so, gdm / plymouth bug still going,
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> nvidia blob working and so is nouveua
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> gtk slow down almost fixed
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> its fixed release but not as fast as it was prior to bug
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> but at least I can see the keyboard keep up with me now!
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> audio bugs seems stable, grub strangeness fixed too
[09:41] <BUGabundo_remote> lots of changes in indicatores
[09:41] <BUGabundo_remote> other then that you are good to go, yofel
[09:41] <vish> !test
[09:43] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: thx
[09:43] <BUGabundo_remote> welcome mister new Member vish
[09:43] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: ;p
[09:46] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: are you still getting the keyring freeze?
[09:46] <vish> now i only get it once per system start
[09:47] <vish> it improved a bit after the second git update
[09:56] <zniavre> indicator for rhythmbox still bugged no?
[10:12] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: none since I removed plymouth :p
[10:16] <vish> weird
[10:52] <edakiri> HowTo reconfigure to choose an initrd with customized module selection rather than generic?
[10:55] <yofel> edakiri: not sure if it's the best way, but you could add them to '/etc/initramfs-tools/modules'
[10:56] <yofel> run update-initramfs and the modules you want should be included
[10:57] <edakiri> maybe reconfigure update-initramfs is what i am looking for.  I am looking to change the choice made at installation whether to use custom or generic initrd
[11:05] <Damascene> the battery icon is broken on my laptop
[11:06] <om26er> Damascene, confirmed.
[11:06] <Damascene> is there a bug?
[11:06] <om26er> no
[11:06] <om26er> *not that I know of
[11:06] <Damascene> I think there should be a special section in launchpad for testers
[11:07] <Zer> y
[11:07] <om26er> Damascene, if you report the power manager  bug please give me the link too
[11:08] <Damascene> om26er, its form the power manager or from the icon set?
[11:08] <om26er> Damascene, ok, explain the problem you are facing
[11:10] <Damascene> the icons shows as black rectangle
[11:10] <om26er> Damascene, mine is this http://imagebin.org/86310
[11:10] <Damascene> what theme you are using?
[11:11] <om26er> Damascene, human
[11:12] <Damascene> mine is clearlook and the icon has no battery
[11:12] <Damascene> I switched to human and then I've the battery icon
[11:13] <Damascene> what is your problem exactly
[11:13] <om26er> Damascene, the problem you are facing is reported already let me find it for you
[11:14] <Damascene> thank you
[11:16] <om26er> Damascene, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/525295
[11:16] <om26er> and mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/526747
[11:21] <Damascene> well for me there is no sound icon at all and the battery is broken on clearlook
[11:21] <Damascene> http://imagebin.org/86312
[11:22] <Damascene> om26er, did you notice how hard is to edit picture in une
[11:23] <om26er> Damascene, never tried
[11:23] <Damascene> I just wanted to crop the full screen image but it took 10 minutes
[11:24] <om26er> no
[11:24] <om26er> its simple
[11:24] <Damascene> how?
[11:25] <om26er> open fspot, open the image you want to edit select the area of image and click crop . it will be saved in /home/username/Pictures/xxx
[11:26] <Damascene> aha, why there is no save buttons in fspot
[11:26] <Damascene> you didn't mention that you have to import the picture too first
[11:27] <om26er> "open the image you want to edit" = impott
[11:27] <om26er> import
[11:28] <Damascene> any way I suggest opening a bug to request a simple way
[11:29] <Damascene> do you have problem with adding channel to favorite in xchat
[11:29] <om26er> Damascene, open it upstream against f-sport
[11:30] <Damascene> that is the problem I should register with what ever f-spot bug system have
[11:30] <om26er> Damascene, I last set favourite channel when I install xchat and working fine
[11:30] <Damascene> can you try it now, please
[11:31] <Damascene> what ever I add to my favorite from now on it doesn't get saved
[11:31] <om26er> xchat website suggest that its last version was released  11-Jun-2008
[12:11] <gnomefreak> didnt someone file a bug on "frequncy out of range"?
[12:14] <gnomefreak>  frequency even
[12:21] <TeTeT> anyone having problems with a sandisk cruzer USB key? Mine is no longer recognized, only the built in CD image
[12:28] <rye> Has anybody running Lucid Lynx experienced any issues with java plugin for mozilla browsers? I mean is there anybody who has seen it working?
[12:31] <penguin42> rye: I've never had icedtea plugin work in years
[12:32] <rye> penguin42, I had it working, just before upgrade to Lucid, which is not that great since my banks' software requires it :)
[12:32] <penguin42> rye: Before the upgrade were you using icedtea or Sun's Java?
[12:33] <rye> penguin42, i believe that was sun java, and I still have it installed, but that seems to be ignored by my firefox
[12:33] <penguin42> ah well if you still have Sun Java then you probably need to just find out where any other plugin is hooked in - if you go to about:plugins what do you see?
[12:34] <rye> penguin42, flash, vlc, wmv through totem, divx web player through totem, quicktime, and itunes via rhytmbox
[12:35] <rye> qt is via totem as well
[12:35] <penguin42> hmm but no Java?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> can someone please run uname -a and post the output for me
[12:35] <rye> i have multiple plugins
[12:35] <gnomefreak> java works fine here
[12:35] <rye> directories
[12:35] <rye> gnomefreak, ok, then this is local issue
[12:39] <robin0800> rhythmbox now says after todays update The Ubuntu One Music Store is coming soon!
[12:39] <rye> gnomefreak, could you please tell me what plugin you are using for java from about:config page? i mean the File name
[12:41] <gnomefreak> rye: one minute
[12:43] <gnomefreak> rye: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4938/javam.png
[12:43] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[12:43] <rye> ok, great, gnomefreak, thanks! will try icedtea...
[12:44] <yofel> rye: actually firefox ignores the sun java plugin here too
[12:44] <rye> yofel, hm...
[12:44] <yofel> icedtea works, but I'm not quite happy with it
[12:46] <rye> yofel, i will be quite happy if it allows me to use my bank's interface, otherwise I will start filing a lot of bug reports:)
[12:47] <rye> "Start: applet not initialized." This is not good
[12:50] <rye> rtg@buzz:~$ sudo apt-cache policy sun-java6-bin
[12:50] <rye> sun-java6-bin:
[12:50] <rye>   Installed: 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04
[12:50] <rye>   Candidate: 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04
[12:50] <rye>   Version table:
[12:50] <rye>  *** 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 0
[12:50] <rye>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:51] <rye> hm...
[12:51] <abe3k> anyone tried the xi2 multiple input with the ubuntu 10.04 ? it ROCKS
[12:52] <abe3k> I'm using it on an eeepc and let me tell you it is so smooth
[12:52] <gnomefreak> rye that is not the icedtea package as i recall sun-jave packages are fairly useless and are not used in Lucid (some are but not what you want)
[12:53] <rye> gnomefreak, yes, indeed - this is a left-over from my 9.04 installation I believe, but the problem is icedtea plugin does not work properly...
[12:54]  * rye went to sun.com to grab latest oracle java
[12:54] <gnomefreak> rye: well that doesnt help you :)
[12:54] <abe3k> I've noticed a problem tho, when I connect another monitor, I can't move the panels to the new monitor, anyone knows a fix for this?
[12:55] <abe3k> I'm not using mirror monitors, just an extension
[12:55] <gnomefreak> rye ii  icedtea-6-jre and ii  icedtea6-plugin  i have those installed and no problems
[12:56] <rye> gnomefreak, try going to https://online.piraeusbank.com and click the second link which states "Стандартный клиент" (Standard client) - in my case the applet fails to initialize :)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> rye: that link in no good
[12:58] <rye> gnomefreak, sorry, https://online.piraeusbank.ua/
[12:59] <gnomefreak> rye: https://online.piraeusbank.ua/login.jsp seems to work fine
[12:59] <gnomefreak> rye: try going to java.com
[13:00] <rye> gnomefreak, so... after clicking on the second link the applet gets downloaded and you seel multiple input fields, right?
[13:01] <gnomefreak> rye: opps i clicked first link :(
[13:02] <gnomefreak> rye: it just crashed firefox damnit
[13:02] <rye> gnomefreak, oops, sorry about that :(
[13:03] <gnomefreak> rye: its ok im working on something anyway and dont need browser atm
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:08] <BluesKaj> is it my ISP or is the lucid main server slower than molasses in january ?
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote> fast here
[13:12] <BluesKaj> must be throttling to north america then
[13:44] <rye>  Starting with Firefox 3.6, Java-based applications will NOT work unless you are running Java version 6 Update 10 or newer. - http://www.java.com/en/download/faq/firefox_newplugin.xml?jre=1.4.2_xx . Great, I have _18, now what?
[13:48] <rye> YES!
[13:48] <rye> so, 1. it is broken in lucid, but 2. it can be fixed
[13:48] <rye> by instaling sun java
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> rye lucid will not have Sun JAVA
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> it was dropped a few weeks
[13:49] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, that's great, I will not have money :), since the bank ui uses it to perform transfers and authorize me via private key
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> no worries
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> Ubuntu is FREE
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> :p
[13:49] <gnomefreak> rye: please file a bug against java
[13:50] <rye> gnomefreak, yes, I am going to
[13:50] <gnomefreak> rye: thanks
[13:50] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, while ubuntu is free, internets and foods are not, but I can't file a bug to make free internet access and free food, it seems to be WONTFIX
[13:55] <rye> sun java plugin that needs to be fed to ff is called libnpjp2.so, if someone needs that
[13:56] <void^> any sane reason for removing sun java, by the way?
[13:56] <void^> i suppose i can understand making openjre the default, but removing it entirely is a nuissance
[13:57] <rye> openjre does not have the plugin
[13:59] <void^> the icedtea plugin is in repos at least
[13:59] <penguin42> yeh it's icedtea6-plugin
[15:28] <Admin__> when is the alpha 3 releasing?
[15:29] <arand> 25th
[15:29] <Admin__> arand, so thats... today.. right?
[15:29] <arand> 24th today
[15:30] <Oxymoron> No tomorrow is the 25th
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahahaahahahah
[15:30] <Admin__> ah....
[15:30] <Admin__> ok
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> timzones :D
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> Admin__: just get a daily
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> then zsinc
[15:30] <genii> !schedule
[15:30] <Oxymoron> arand: Btw, what features can we expect except from more stable and faster bootup and ARM mobile platforms? :P I have checked blueprints, but I want to know inside info :D
[15:31] <Admin__> BUGabundo_remote,  i hav a superslow connection... daily builds are hard to download
[15:31] <BUGabundo_remote> Admin__: daily == tomorrow :D
[15:31] <BUGabundo_remote> that's what I said: get a daily then zsync only the diff
[15:32] <BUGabundo_remote> let me see how much I'm old
[15:32] <Admin__> BUGabundo_remote, :)
[15:32]  * BUGabundo_remote does $zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:32] <BUGabundo_remote> disk IO FT losers :)
[15:32] <Admin__> BUGabundo_remote, daily gets erased after few days... alpha remain for longer period
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> $ sudo ionice -c3 -p 26578
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> much better
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> Admin__: who cares??
[15:33] <yofel> hm, is zsync much better than rsync BUGabundo_remote?
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> Read lucid-desktop-amd64.iso. Target 77.0% complete.
[15:33] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: on canonical servers: YES
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> on my machine: HELL NO
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ###############----- 78.2% 98.0 kBps 26:49 ETA
[15:34] <yofel> heh, then I'll try it out later
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: want my script?
[15:34] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: sure
[15:34] <gnomefreak> damn thanks for reminding me :)
[15:34] <arand> Admin__: Hmm, some more panel bling, TORAM now possible with liveCD, Bi.. I mean Yahoo search, Ireally haven't tested that much actually..
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> $ pastebinit ~/zsyncu
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> http://paste.ubuntu.com/383049/
[15:35] <gnomefreak> using zsync now?
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: toram? SInCE WHEN?
[15:35] <yofel> thx BUGabundo_remote
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: since crimsun made me :|
[15:35]  * BUGabundo_remote is a good boy, is a good boy, is a good boy!
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: my bug for it wasn't updated!
[15:36] <gnomefreak> why the change?
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: less server load
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> much less
[15:36] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: couple of days: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/25496/comments/36
[15:36] <gnomefreak> oh
[15:36] <Admin__> arand, i didint get u?
[15:37] <arand> Admin__: What?
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: DUPE
[15:37] <Admin__> arand, Hmm, some more panel bling, TORAM now possible with liveCD, Bi.. I mean Yahoo search, Ireally haven't tested that much actually..
[15:37] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: is that the full script?
[15:39] <arand> Admin__: yes? I'm unclear?
[15:39] <Admin__> arand, yeah.. :)
[15:40] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: not a script per si
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> just a bunch of lines I paste to certain dirs
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> kubutnu and ubuntu can't share same dirs cause of the names
[15:41] <BUGabundo_remote> other then that, sure, just run that
[15:43] <arand> Admin__: ok, so the applets in the panel will have even more empathy-facebook-twitter integration, it's now possible to copy the liveCD to ram and run it from there, being able to remove the CD. Yahoo will be default search engine. Oh, and Software Centre has gotten a featured section and ability to display added PPAs, as well as an install button on the main listing...
[15:46] <NoelJB> Yahoo as default search engine I noticed, and fixed.  :-\
[15:46] <NoelJB> Why we would want to sponsor Microsoft as a default search engine is bizzare.
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> no comments
[15:47] <yofel> NoelJB: because canonical gets some money from it iirc
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> no comments
[15:49] <Nitsuga> NoelJB, also, who minds? anyway any thinking person in the world will change it back to Google
[15:52] <NoelJB> Nitsuga, my objection was HAVING to change it back after it was already set.
[15:52] <alex_mayorga> Nitsuga: mind elaborating on "thinking person"="uses Google"?
[15:53] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, mmm do you use Yahoo?
[15:53] <Nitsuga> I know that I'm saying that people who don't use Google is stupid :P
[15:53] <Nitsuga> sorry :P
[15:54] <Nitsuga> :|
[15:55] <Nitsuga> but these time Google seems to be the only option in search engines
[15:55] <alex_mayorga> Nitsuga: sometimes, I don't want a single company know all that I want to know ;)
[15:55] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, yeah, that annoys me too
[15:56]  * vish tried to stick with yahoo and support ubuntu , but the truth is Yahoo search isnt as good as google :(
[15:56] <vish> s/truth/fact
[15:56] <Nitsuga> fortunately Google's search engine is not what it used to was, and Yahoo/MS search isn't also what it used to be
[15:56] <Nitsuga> *uset do be
[15:57] <Nitsuga> the first is worse and the second and thirs are becomming better
[15:57] <Nitsuga> vish, alex_mayorga, NoelJB  try a blind search! http://blindsearch.fejus.com/
[15:58] <alex_mayorga> the truth is people is getting lazy and becoming too dependent on search I recall back in high school I used to write down URLs you know?
[15:58] <Nitsuga> it will show google, bing and yahoo results without the branding
[15:58] <BluesKaj> now google-chrome has gone for a crap with the latest java update for FF3.6 ...the chrome browser links to mozilla plugins ..wonderful, now java in chrome keeps loading and doesn't stop
[15:58] <Nitsuga> choos the list you liked, and it will tell you wich search angine you chose
[15:58] <vish> alex_mayorga: /me too old to wirte down stuff ;p
[15:58] <alex_mayorga> Nitsuga: that's been on my del.icio.us faves for quite some time :)
[15:59] <alex_mayorga> my point is that these days kids doesn't even know what a URL is :(
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> BluesKaj: about:plugins if you please
[15:59] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, I DO write urls that I know
[15:59] <alex_mayorga> s/a/an
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's not there BUGabundo_remote
[16:00] <NoelJB> with lucid, it is currently  (again) broken to drag URLs from the browser to nautilus.
[16:00] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, i don't agree. My sister knows that she can enter facebook for example by typing www.facebook.com
[16:00] <BUGabundo_remote> BluesKaj: load from a new profile or private browsing
[16:00] <BluesKaj> no matter FF is fast again ...wonder how long that will last
[16:00] <NoelJB> instead, it wants to download the content from the URL.  :-(
[16:01] <alex_mayorga> Nitsuga: I had to talk about the internet with my English students and they put Google under every category, i.e. videos, music, social site, etc.
[16:01] <NoelJB> Oh, I take that back!  It is fixed again!  :-D
[16:02] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, music? social site?
[16:02] <Nitsuga> I understand it people confuses Google with a web browser, but with a social site?
[16:03] <alex_mayorga> Nitsuga: heres how it goes, they type google.com in the URL bar, then search whatever
[16:03] <G_A_C> it helps you find people
[16:03] <G_A_C> even if it is via other sites
[16:03] <G_A_C> I can see why people would get confused, tbh
[16:03] <coz_> google buzz
[16:03] <NoelJB> I actually never use the search bar.  I just got to the search engine.
[16:03] <NoelJB> s/got/go/
[16:03] <coz_> google friend connect
[16:04] <coz_> and its getting out of hand :)
[16:04] <coz_> also  http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi
[16:04] <coz_> I think I will switch to yahoo :)
[16:05] <alex_mayorga> if they want to go to myspace, they go google.com and type myspace, hit search, click first result
[16:06] <alex_mayorga> but I think the whole discussion is off-topic :)
[16:06] <alex_mayorga> Ubuntu or Firefox should teach kids what a URL is IMHO
[16:14] <Nitsuga> alex_mayorga, mozilla whould change the default home page to a une with a big Firefox Logo and a bunch of comonly visited sites (namely google, facebook, hotmail)
[16:14] <Nitsuga> *one
[16:42] <mpt> Does anyone on Lucid get something from Movie Player's BBC side pane that isn't "Could not connect to server"?
[16:45] <BUGabundo_remote> I don't use it, sorry
[16:48] <eagles0513875> is konversation going to be included back into lucid
[16:49] <Nitsuga> mpt, yeah I have that problem
[16:50] <mpt> Nitsuga, where are you located?
[16:50] <Nitsuga> mpt, argentina
[16:51] <penguin42> mpt: I did see something about the Beeb stopping some players
[16:51] <mpt> penguin42, exactly, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/
[16:51] <mpt> Wondering whether it's related :-)
[16:51] <penguin42> mpt: Yeh, I suspect it is
[17:17] <histo> Does anyone know if you can do a command line install from the mini.iso?
[17:18] <penguin42> histo: I'm not sure, if you are really desperate you could use debootstrap but that tends to produce some odd results
[17:19] <histo> penguin42: just wondering before I burn it and waste a disc.  but i'll try
[17:19] <penguin42> histo: Why do you want command line?
[17:20] <histo> penguin42: juz i'm going to run flux and I don't want all the bloat.
[17:21] <histo> penguin42: I'm thinking of just running debian testing
[17:21] <penguin42> histo: I'd probably start with the alternate CD; don't forget you can always pull packages out
[17:21] <histo> penguin42: yeah the minimal installation of ubuntu is twice the size of most distros
[17:22] <histo> penguin42: just a command line install is something like 690+mb
[17:22] <penguin42> histo: Yeh, well you have to have the bling right?
[17:26] <histo> penguin42: I don't want any bling is the problem.
[17:27] <penguin42> histo: Yeh, I'd start with the alternate CD, or xubuntu or the like.
[17:28] <histo> One issue i see comming is getting wpa2 to work with out network-manager
[17:29] <penguin42> ah I don't know enough about wireless to help you on that
[17:30] <histo> I thought there were problems with wpa2 and iwconfig if I remember correctly
[17:31] <penguin42> histo: You might consider wicd instead, some people like it as an alternative to nm
[17:32] <histo> penguin42: Yeah that's what i'm seeing.
[17:35] <penguin42> histo: I'm using it now (although that's jus tbecause I installed xubuntu as well)
[17:53] <penguin42> om26er: 524308 is being debated about whether it should move packages again :-)
[17:58] <om26er> bug 524308
[17:58] <om26er> yes
[17:58] <om26er> penguin42, its moving too much
[17:59] <penguin42> om26er: In the end you would think it wouldn't matter since it is corraled to a bunch of related packages
[18:00] <om26er> at last no body became the winner lol ;)
[18:05]  * om26er notices latest UNE live cd is 734mb
[18:07] <genii> !schedule > genii
[18:07] <om26er> how about /msg ubottu !schedule
[18:11] <penguin42> om26er: There it does - now it's libdbusmenu :-)
[18:11] <penguin42> g
[18:37] <Nitsuga> !schedule
[18:40] <avirulence> hi all. Has anyone tried installing plug-ins in Eclipse on 10.04?
[18:41] <Nitsuga> avirulence, i didn't tried, but what it your problem?
[18:43] <avirulence> Nitsuga, they don't show up in Window-->Preferences... I tried PyDev and ADT and both install just fine, but the plug-ins just don't show up
[18:45] <Nitsuga> avirulence, did you check the permissions?
[18:46] <Nitsuga> that is a common cause of probems in any plugin of any application
[18:49] <avirulence> Nitsuga, I installed them via Eclipse itself
[18:49] <avirulence> shouldn't the permissions be right then?
[18:49] <Nitsuga> yeas, they whould
[18:49] <Nitsuga> should
[18:49] <Adelante> hi all. what time 10.04 alpha 3 released?
[18:49] <Nitsuga> Adelante, it will release when the compilation finished
[18:49] <Nitsuga> nobody knows that
[18:50] <Nitsuga> as a reference: most buntu releases are finished about 7pm
[18:50] <Nitsuga> it may take more or less
[18:50] <Adelante> by schedule will realese 25th. what time?
[18:51] <Adelante> Nitsuga : 7pm PST or what time zone?
[18:51] <Nitsuga> Adelante, think about 6 pm (utc)
[18:52] <Adelante> great. will wait
[18:52] <genii> Adelante: GMT
[18:52] <high-rez> It appears my latest lucid update pushed me towards nouveau.  I installed the firmware, but I'm not sure which package contains nouveau_dri.so ?
[18:52] <Nitsuga> high-rez, dlocate can tell you
[18:52] <Nitsuga> just run dlocate filename or dlocat /path/to/file
[18:52] <Nitsuga> just run dlocate filename or dlocate /path/to/file
[18:52] <high-rez> Interesting.
[18:53] <high-rez> Installing.
[18:53] <high-rez> It returned nothing ;)
[18:53] <Nitsuga> you can also do that with dpkg /S but it is not as fast, reliable and organized as dlocate
[18:53] <Nitsuga> dpkg -S
[18:54] <Nitsuga> high-rez, so you don't have that file
[18:54] <Nitsuga> try usind a dash instead of a n underscode high-rez
[18:54] <jpds> high-rez: apt-file search nouveau_dri.so
[18:54] <high-rez> Right, I don't have the file.
[18:54] <high-rez> I'm trying to figure out which package actually has it.
[18:54] <jpds> high-rez: apt-file will tell you.
[18:54] <jpds> !apt-file
[18:55] <Nitsuga> jpds, dlocate is faster :)
[18:55] <high-rez> lets see if dlocate works out for me ;)
[18:55] <Nitsuga> i've tried apt-file
[19:26] <high-rez> Pfft apt-file search didn't return anything.
[19:26] <Nitsuga> high-rez, you see? dlocate ftw! ;)
[19:46] <high-rez> Nutsuga: Neither provided any results.
[19:46] <high-rez> So they were both equally worthless for me.  :)
[19:48] <Pici> Nitsuga: will dlocate look in packages that you don't have installed?
[19:49] <Nitsuga> Pici, no
[19:49] <Pici> Nitsuga: apt-file will ;)
[19:49] <Nitsuga> Pici, apt-file does?
[19:49] <Nitsuga> ohhh
[19:50] <Nitsuga> so it is slower because of THAT
[20:02] <alex_mayorga> Please get 2.6.33 then?
[20:02] <alex_mayorga> err.. would we get 2.6.33 then?
[20:03] <Pici> Er... probably not.
[20:16] <jcole> is there a way to have the "guest" session start in an xnest?
[20:27] <alex_mayorga> Pici: :(
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> what are your picks to hold bank account numbers, SSNs and such on Ubuntu?
[20:39] <jcole> alex_mayorga: seahorse
[20:40] <robin0800> Nitsuga: google chrome can already do what you are suggesting mozilla do
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> jcole: thanks
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> anyone else?
[20:41] <jcole> alex_mayorga: there is also revelation
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> jcole: is that bundled?
[20:41] <Nitsuga> robin0800, but the part of a BIG logo isn't in chrome
[20:41] <jcole> alex_mayorga: yes
[20:42] <alex_mayorga> jcole: unde "Applications"? I don't see it
[20:42] <Nitsuga> the big logo is for people to say "I use firefox" or "My web browser is firefox" instead of saying "Web browser? I think google"
[20:42] <jcole> alex_mayorga: Apps->Accessoried->Passwords
[20:42] <jcole> Accessories*
[20:42] <robin0800> Who needs a big logo when you can have 8 different sites
[20:42] <alex_mayorga> jcole, see it now, thanks
[20:45] <robin0800> Nitsuga: What I realy like is the addres bar is also the search bar
[20:59] <histo> anyone been able to run lucid ona a virtual machine. I just created one with a command line install and it won't boot.
[20:59] <histo> also how do you bring up the grub menu now that it times otu?
[21:00] <genii> histo: hold shift key down now instead of esc keyfor grub menu
[21:01]  * Pici wonders if everyone's keyboard is broken
[21:02] <histo> K can get in recovery mode now to figure out wth is going on with nomral boot
[21:04] <histo> looks like there is all kinds of memory issues in syslog
[21:07] <histo> Is there a way to disable acpi?
[21:07] <genii> kernel option of noacpi  or acpi=off
[21:09] <histo> genii: how do I add that option?
[21:10] <histo> genii: I think I got it we'll see if it works
[21:11] <histo> nope reinstalling
[21:46] <BUGabundo> so we lost DHCP cliente??
[21:46] <douglasawh-work> are this update servers getting slammed? I'm trying to get like 200MB and it's taking like 4 hours
[21:46] <jpds> douglasawh-work: Yes.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:46] <douglasawh-work> did something get released today?
[21:46] <jpds> douglasawh-work: Pick a mirror from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[21:46] <BUGabundo> douglasawh choose a mirror
[21:46] <jpds> douglasawh-work: Yes..
[21:47] <BUGabundo> douglasawh alpha 3
[21:47] <jpds> BUGabundo: No.
[21:47] <BUGabundo> ehe
[21:47] <BUGabundo> jk
[21:47] <jpds> OOo security update.
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I'm more worried about the no DHCP!
[21:48] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:49] <douglasawh-work> jpds: a security update causes the servers to get slammed? that sounds odd
[21:49] <jpds> douglasawh-work: 72MB download for almost every single Ubuntu user?
[21:49] <douglasawh-work> oh, I meant did +1 stuff get released
[21:50] <douglasawh-work> but, I guess they are on the same servers
[21:50] <jpds> douglasawh-work: You dedice: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/
[21:50] <jpds> decide*
[21:50] <douglasawh-work> I was asking about what BUGabundo responded
[21:59] <BUGabundo> crimsun: not sure this goes by you, but the new sound indicator lost the ability to use mouse scroll, to change over the indicator
[21:59]  * BUGabundo filing a bug
[22:00] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, mine works O_o
[22:00] <BUGabundo> Nitsuga: with it close? ie not expanded?
[22:01] <diverse_izzue> a program i was using in karmic, xppaut, is not in the lucid repositories. is that on purpose or should i report a bug?
[22:01] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, yes, closed. btw, nice feature!
[22:01] <BUGabundo> not for me
[22:01] <Nitsuga> diverse_izzue, you can ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:01] <BUGabundo> need a 3rd opinion
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> What is the bug number BUGabundo
[22:01] <BUGabundo> its not
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> it affects me
[22:01] <BUGabundo> filling NOW if someone confirms
[22:01] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> please ping me and I will tick affects me.
[22:02] <BUGabundo> woot LP is fasttttt... NOT
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ubuntujenkins: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/527372
[22:03] <BUGabundo> please confirm it
[22:03] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> done :)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> danka
[22:05]  * penguin42 wonders how many packages that will go through
[22:05] <diverse_izzue> on a machine with ATI R500 graphics and lucid, should i see a plymouth boot screen or is that not implemented yet?
[22:06] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, can I mark it as "No, it doesn't affect me" ?
[22:06] <Nitsuga> or will you kill a kitten for that?
[22:06] <Nitsuga> :P
[22:07] <Nitsuga> diverse_izzue, you should see it (I tink)
[22:07] <Nitsuga> plymouth is too experimental at this time
[22:07] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I can't mark it NO
[22:07] <Nitsuga> I don't even know why hey included id
[22:07] <BUGabundo> cause u never marked it as affects
[22:07] <Nitsuga> all that I found with plymouth are bugs, bugs and more and more bugs
[22:07] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, I can mark
[22:08] <diverse_izzue> it seems to work fine for redhat, so it's not well integrated
[22:08] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo, now the "This bug affects x people, does this bug affect you" question became " This bug affects 1 person, but not you"
[22:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:08] <BUGabundo> should be two! where did ubuntujenkins go ?
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> The bug does effect me and one other person
[22:10] <Nitsuga> BUGabundo,  This bug affects 2 people, but not you   Edit
[22:12] <diverse_izzue> another thing. my brightness control using g-p-m is broken (also no notification bubble). known bug?
[22:13] <zniavre> over the icon itself or inside the popupwindow ?
[22:14] <diverse_izzue> zniavre, are you talking to me?
[22:14] <Nitsuga> zniavre, did you notice that the enter-crash issue disappeared?
[22:14] <zniavre> diverse_izzue,  sorry no
[22:15] <zniavre> Nitsuga, no,  last boot it crashed
[22:16] <Nitsuga> zniavre, strange. It works for me
[22:16] <Nitsuga> zniavre, I can't take the crashdump because of that
[22:16] <zniavre> let me try again   (just updated ... few package)
[22:16] <Nitsuga> zniavre, you'll have to file the bug. I can't file a bug that doesn't affects me
[22:18] <Zorael> On a current daily live build of lucid, is nv or nouveau the default driver for Nvidia cards?
[22:18] <Nitsuga> Zorael, nv for now
[22:18] <Nitsuga> Zorael, nouveau will be used in the final release
[22:18] <zniavre> Nitsuga, it just crashed
[22:18] <Zorael> Nitsuga: All right, thanks
[22:19] <Nitsuga> zniavre, let me check it again
[22:19]  * Nitsuga rebooting
[22:19] <zniavre> :o)
[22:21] <Nitsuga> ok, let's try it...
[22:21] <Nitsuga> 3.. 2.. 1..
[22:21] <Nitsuga> worked
[22:21] <Nitsuga> no crash
[22:22] <Nitsuga> zniavre, ↑
[22:22] <zniavre> for me it crashes at gdm stage
[22:22] <Nitsuga> zniavre, I have autologin
[22:23] <Nitsuga> zniavre, so I entered xchat, and typed ok, let's try it
[22:23] <zniavre> gdm>log/pass>enter |crash |gdm>log/pass>enter ,it works
[22:23] <Nitsuga> it would crash with the enter
[22:23] <Nitsuga> but it didin't
[22:23] <zniavre> do you think it's gfx driver related ?
[22:23] <Nitsuga> zniavre, the crash is on the press of the enter key
[22:24] <Nitsuga> zniavre, i'm really sure that it is plymouth related
[22:24] <zniavre> ok
[22:24] <Nitsuga> becaus before the crash (test it) the ttys are frozen
[22:24] <zniavre> im scared to uninstall plymouth
[22:24] <Nitsuga> zniavre, it is completely safe
[22:24] <Nitsuga> zniavre, I did that to fix the problem
[22:25] <Nitsuga> uninstall plymouth -> no crash
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> Hey guys, what time is the release due?
[22:25] <Nitsuga> reinstall plymouth --> still no srash
[22:25] <zniavre> i trust you but for me boot sequence is scarry
[22:25] <Nitsuga> but in the middle there was a xorg update
[22:25] <Nitsuga> ActionParsnip, tomorrow 25
[22:25] <zniavre> a ok understand
[22:25] <zniavre> let me try
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> Just remove plymouth if its causing issues
[22:25] <zniavre> via synaptic of course?
[22:26] <Nitsuga> zniavre, you can use synaptic or aptitude
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Nitsuga: yes I know its tomorrow but what time?
[22:26] <Nitsuga> ActionParsnip, nobody knows
[22:26] <Nitsuga> it will be published when it finishes compiling
[22:26] <Nitsuga> expect that about 6pm/UTC
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Nitsuga: thanks :)
[22:27] <Nitsuga> ActionParsnip, expect that about 6pm/UTC
[22:27] <Nitsuga> no problem
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> I'll grab the torrent the day after that ;). Good times
[22:34] <zniavre> Nitsuga,  i tried to remove --purge plymouth > it started nicely (with warnings messages at boot)
[22:34] <zniavre> i reinstaled plymouth and it makes the enter bug again
[22:35] <Nitsuga> zniavre, so you will have to file a bug report
[22:35] <zniavre> you should be right thinking plymouth is guilty
[22:35] <Nitsuga> now you have extra data: removing plymouth solves the issue
[22:35] <zniavre> there is not already filed ?
[22:36] <Nitsuga> zniavre, so the complete bug title would be: X crashes when the enter key is pressed under hardware that doesn't support KMS
[22:36] <Nitsuga> zniavre, that would be strage
[22:36] <Nitsuga> search for it
[22:36] <Nitsuga> i should be filed
[22:40] <yofel> bug 516412 ?
[22:41] <yofel> zniavre: ^^^
[22:44] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/522692
[22:45] <zniavre> this one too but i do not know what VGA16FB is
[22:45] <yofel> the default vga frambuffer modules afaik
[22:45] <yofel> *framebuffer
[22:45] <yofel> *module
[22:46] <yofel> argh, I should get some sleep I guess -.-
[22:46] <zniavre> how can i know if im using this?
[22:46] <Nitsuga> zniavre, you are not
[22:47] <Nitsuga> zniavre, aren't you using nvidia's ¿
[22:47] <Nitsuga> ?
[22:47] <zniavre> yes i do
[22:47] <arand> !info virtualbox-ose
[22:48] <Nitsuga> zniavre, i think this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/516412
[22:48] <zniavre> im reading this looooong thread
[22:48] <arand> Would anyone here care to confirm if Bug #510571 exists in the current lucid version of virtualbox?
[22:48] <arand> virtualbox-ose, more specifically..
[23:07] <jcole> is there an irc room for the ubiquity ubuntu installer
[23:08] <Nitsuga> jcole, here is right to ask
[23:08] <Nitsuga> !ask | jcole
[23:09] <arand> jcole: #ubuntu-installer handles that, if you want devs.
[23:09] <jcole> ive remastered an ubuntu install cd and noticed the sources.list mirrors after the install are not the same as on my livecd... does the ubuntu installer get the values from debconf?
[23:14] <Nitsuga> jcole, it gets the values fron the location information you provide in the second step of the installer
[23:14] <BluesKaj-Laptop> jcole, your sources.list is determined by the location you enterd during the install
[23:14] <Nitsuga> if you want to add a custom repo si better to master a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:15] <Nitsuga> *it's
[23:15] <BluesKaj-Laptop> jcole, , hence the difference between the live cd and the install
[23:16] <jcole> Nitsuga/BluesKaj-Laptop: im looking to select the mirror, not add new sources... cjwatson help me, its stored here -> https://launchpad.net/bugs/39156
[23:16] <kklimonda> hmm.. my empathy settings has disappeared..
[23:17] <BluesKaj-Laptop> jcole, yes Im talking about the mirror as well , the location of your mirror is reflected in your sources.list (scuse the pun)
[23:19] <BluesKaj-Laptop> jcole, you can change the server in your package manager
[23:22] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: i know, im remastering a livecd
[23:22] <BluesKaj-Laptop> remastering?
[23:22] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: the sources.list on the livecd is modified
[23:23] <BluesKaj-Laptop> why bother?
[23:23] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: but ubiquity does not carry over that file
[23:23] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: ubiquity runs apt-setup
[23:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> you can always change the sources'list mirror later
[23:25] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: its not for me, im creating an install cd for multiple people... i would rather automate it instead of explaining to each one how to change sources.list
[23:25] <BluesKaj-Laptop> now he tells us ;0
[23:26] <jcole> BluesKaj-Laptop: usually remastering is to distribute your own version to others
[23:37] <Espen77> ls
[23:47] <rayne_> question, 9.4 and 10.1 look like the are coming out close to each other... is there a difference in these 2 versions?
[23:47] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no, that's not me
[23:49] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I filed it
[23:49] <BUGabundo> hope they look at it
[23:49] <BUGabundo> very anoying