| seb128 | bah https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607302 | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Gnome bug 607302 in Plugins (other) "cover art search fails with 500 Client Refused" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] | 00:21 |
| seb128 | "Discogs staff have confirmed that rhythmbox users were simply placing too much | 00:22 |
| seb128 | load on their systems, so they had to block us. " | 00:22 |
| seb128 | jcastro, do you know what banshee uses for coverart? | 00:24 |
| jcastro | seb128: rhapsody->amazon->musicbrainz->somethingelse last I checked | 00:25 |
| seb128 | I though amazon broke clients too? | 00:25 |
| jcastro | it tries a bunch and snags the highest resolution one | 00:25 |
| jcastro | I can find out | 00:25 |
| jcastro | oh hey, gabaug is in here. | 00:25 |
| gabaug | jcastro: the order is listed here: http://banshee-project.org/support/faq/ | 00:27 |
| jcastro | thanks!! seb128 ^ | 00:27 |
| seb128 | gabaug, jcastro: thanks | 00:30 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - this menu issue goes away if i delete the desktop file cache | 00:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, weird | 00:35 |
| seb128 | the cache is not by user | 00:35 |
| seb128 | jcastro, gabaug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593163 | 00:35 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 593163 in Plugins (other) "Rhythmbox failed to fetch covers" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] | 00:35 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that is pretty weird | 00:36 |
| seb128 | jcastro, gabaug: this bug states | 00:36 |
| seb128 | "http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/ann.jspa?annID=483 | 00:36 |
| seb128 | We can't really implement request signing since we'd have to distribute the | 00:36 |
| seb128 | secret key to all users, so we can't use amazon's web services any more." | 00:36 |
| chrisccoulson | and the issue doesn't come back again after i recreate the cache | 00:36 |
| seb128 | do you know what banshee is doing to use amazon? | 00:36 |
| gabaug | seb128: for cover art? | 00:36 |
| seb128 | gabaug, yes | 00:36 |
| gabaug | seb128: we construct the URL based on the ASIN (which we get from MusicBrainz) | 00:37 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, hi | 01:04 |
| ArneGoetje | rickspencer3: hi | 01:15 |
| pitti | asac: ah, thanks for merging; it was applied upstream as well already | 07:12 |
| pitti | didrocks, kenvandine: netbook CD exploded by 40 MB (!); I'll upload a new rb-ubuntu-music-store which drops the erroneous python-distutils-extra dependency; I'm using the p:ubuntu/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, is that right? | 07:21 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ewww | 07:21 |
| kenvandine | yes | 07:21 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 07:21 |
| kenvandine | and good morning pitti | 07:21 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine; still awake? | 07:21 |
| kenvandine | yup | 07:22 |
| kenvandine | :) | 07:22 |
| pitti | uploaded and pushed | 07:25 |
| kenvandine | thx | 07:35 |
| kenvandine | good night all! | 07:36 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:05 |
| al-maisan | didrocks: Good morning | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey al-maisan | 08:06 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:09 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti | 08:10 |
| didrocks | installed android 2.1 on my samsung spica (== lite) yesterday. Really good :) | 08:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, got a new phone now? | 08:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: fortunately, the repair service lost my previous one. So, I had this one in exchange :) | 08:12 |
| pitti | heh | 08:12 |
| didrocks | but it was a terrible android 1.5 branded with my phone provider operator | 08:13 |
| didrocks | really buggy (you have at each boot to uninstal one app to install it again and others) | 08:13 |
| didrocks | at each boot | 08:13 |
| didrocks | a lot of defaults are lost, etc. | 08:13 |
| didrocks | so, I decided to install vanilla android + some drivers for the phone on it :) | 08:14 |
| pitti | seb128: bonjour | 08:32 |
| pitti | seb128: slept well? | 08:33 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:33 |
| seb128 | not enough but well yes! | 08:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, you? | 08:33 |
| pitti | bit short, but fine | 08:34 |
| seb128 | they are having the olympic games on the wrong coast | 08:34 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:34 |
| pitti | lol | 08:34 |
| seb128 | I watched hockey again | 08:34 |
| seb128 | but that starts at 1am | 08:34 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:34 |
| pitti | seb128: so, notify-osd is gone from today's chart :) | 08:35 |
| seb128 | waouh | 08:35 |
| pitti | and I just found out the reason for the udisks CPU increase | 08:35 |
| seb128 | oh? | 08:37 |
| seb128 | what is it? | 08:37 |
| seb128 | sorry about the rhythmbox store depends overlook | 08:37 |
| pitti | it came with the new libatasmart | 08:37 |
| seb128 | I should have spotted when I sponsored | 08:37 |
| pitti | the previous version had a bug which caused ata smart status to be broken | 08:37 |
| pitti | so it wasn't done :) | 08:37 |
| pitti | now smart reporting works again | 08:37 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 08:37 |
| pitti | but apparently that's quite expensive | 08:37 |
| pitti | I'll look into that | 08:37 |
| seb128 | I need to look into smart and how it's working | 08:38 |
| seb128 | my parents computer open a failing disk warning at every boot | 08:38 |
| pitti | seb128: bug 438136 ? | 08:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 438136 in libatasmart "palimpsest bad sectors false positive" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438136 | 08:39 |
| seb128 | but nothing reported wrong on winxp with the tools my father tried | 08:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, looking | 08:39 |
| seb128 | I though that one was fixed in a sru | 08:39 |
| seb128 | ok, it's not the same I found by then | 08:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 08:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh it's waiting for sponsoring? | 08:41 |
| seb128 | is that on your list? | 08:41 |
| pitti | no | 08:41 |
| pitti | there is no solution so far | 08:41 |
| seb128 | should sponsors be unsubscribed then? | 08:42 |
| pitti | yeah, they should | 08:42 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, does the screensaver work for you? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, define work? | 08:42 |
| pitti | seb128: when I try to unlock, it spins forever, and I have to ctrl+alt+f1 and killall gnome-screensaver | 08:42 |
| pitti | could that be related to the new keyring? | 08:43 |
| didrocks | (it's working for me) | 08:43 |
| pitti | ok, perhaps it's something local then | 08:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610678 | 08:44 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 610678 in keyring files "starts eating cpu when trying to unlock screen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 08:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, I get it on coming back from guest session | 08:44 |
| seb128 | but not if I lock and unlock the screen using ctrl-L | 08:44 |
| pitti | I get it during the timeout | 08:44 |
| didrocks | oh timeout… | 08:44 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:48 |
| seb128 | "I want to see love" | 08:48 |
| seb128 | nice bug report topic ;-) | 08:48 |
| didrocks | indeed :-) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | (it's about having a <3 smiley in empathy) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, speaking of which I fixed the icq aim issue | 08:49 |
| seb128 | backported a 1 liner change to libpurple | 08:50 |
| seb128 | that fixes it in pidgin and empathy | 08:50 |
| pitti | I saw on -changes, merci! | 08:50 |
| seb128 | de rien | 08:51 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:14 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 09:14 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks, yeah, good thanks | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 09:15 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, how are you today? | 09:15 |
| pitti | I'm great, thanks! | 09:15 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | you had quite a late night last night didn't you? | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 09:15 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yeah, wanted to get that notify-osd thing done; and it's gone from today's charts :) | 09:16 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: good thanks :) | 09:16 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: how are you? | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | fantastic! | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm good thanks | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | looking forward to the end of the week:) | 09:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, end of this week or start of next week? ;-) | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - both ;) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:18 |
| huats | morning | 09:19 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:19 |
| huats | hello mister seb128 o/ | 09:19 |
| didrocks | hello huats | 09:21 |
| * seb128 just installed meld for patch review | 09:21 | |
| seb128 | that's quite a nice software to use | 09:21 |
| chrisccoulson | i've never tried that before | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | that looks quite nice | 09:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, it's nice and shiny :) | 09:22 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it show you before and after side to side | 09:22 |
| didrocks | upstream accepts patch quite easy and is reactive | 09:22 |
| seb128 | with changed part colored | 09:22 |
| soren | meld's been around for ages. I used it a bunch in my previous job, so at least 5 years ago. | 09:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what upstream? | 09:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: meld's upstream | 09:23 |
| seb128 | soren, yes, I know about it but I don't do patch review so much usually | 09:23 |
| seb128 | or I do using vcs-es | 09:23 |
| seb128 | but for review those appindicator package changes that handy | 09:23 |
| === cypher_ is now known as czajkowski | ||
| seb128 | I could also put the source in bzr and bzr diff it | 09:24 |
| soren | seb128: It's just interesting that several people have mentioned it over the last couple of days, given that it's an old project. | 09:24 |
| soren | I forget who mentioned it yesterday. | 09:24 |
| seb128 | oh other people did? | 09:24 |
| * soren greps through logs | 09:24 | |
| soren | Yup, over in #kernel. | 09:24 |
| soren | Yesterday. | 09:24 |
| soren | Funny, that. | 09:25 |
| * mvo stil has a open bugreport to integrate it in synaptic when availalbe | 09:30 | |
| soren | mvo: Oh, for doing conffile merges? | 09:31 |
| mvo | yes | 09:31 |
| soren | Neat. | 09:31 |
| mvo | it would be so nice, but I never got around to it, should be pretty trivial to do too | 09:32 |
| * mvo will try to find a contributor for doing it :) | 09:32 | |
| * seb128 grrrrr at rsync deleting his cd iso again on ctrl-C | 09:35 | |
| pitti | seb128: do a hardlink before | 09:42 |
| pitti | seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/rsync-desktop | 09:42 |
| pitti | meh! | 09:45 |
| pitti | p-distutils-extra is still on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100224.1/lucid-netbook-i386.manifest | 09:45 |
| pitti | and it's still oversized | 09:45 |
| didrocks | what changed it? the seed change done yesterday by stevenK was on [armel] only | 09:48 |
| didrocks | (apart from the bluez and rhythmbox plugin things) | 09:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: I fixed rb-u1-music-store (that depended on it) | 09:49 |
| pitti | but now that new version is on that CD, and it's still there | 09:49 |
| pitti | apt-cache rdepends python-distutils-extra only has two pacakges | 09:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, thank you! | 09:50 |
| * pitti scratches head | 09:50 | |
| * pitti rsyncs desktop CD to try | 09:51 | |
| didrocks | hum, right, and no rdepends are installed (promissed, I didn't add Quickly to the netbook ;)) | 09:51 |
| pitti | erm, netbook | 09:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: I already checked that | 09:51 |
| pitti | germinate doesn't say anything either | 09:51 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/netbook.lucid/rdepends/python-distutils-extra/python-distutils-extra | 09:51 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| pitti | \o/ | 10:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: new size is ok after rebuild? :) | 10:34 |
| pitti | udisks is back to two thin light blue CPU bars, hardly noticeable | 10:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: rebuild is still ongoing | 10:34 |
| pitti | now I need to get this patch past David | 10:35 |
| didrocks | congrats for udisks :-) | 10:35 |
| pitti | ♪ another one bites the dust ♫ | 10:35 |
| * didrocks hugs pitti | 10:35 | |
| seb128 | pitti, is there any iso respin now or scheduled? | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - what did you do to udisks? | 10:38 |
| pitti | seb128: netbook is ongoing, server is scheduled | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, would a gnome-bluetooth upload be disruptive? | 10:38 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I deferred the initial ata smart check by half a minute; no need to do this during boot, when everything needs both CPU and IO | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, that makes sense | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: depends on how much regression potential it has | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, well it's only bluetooth ui, how much that can break? ;-) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | ie I wouldn't consider gnome-bluetooth broken being an alpha blocker anyway | 10:39 |
| chrisccoulson | ooh, i've got access to canonicaladmin.com now | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's an appindicator port but it's a fairly trivial one | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: no, but if it causes crashes on startups it's not a nice experience on the alpha, and will get us lots of bugs, etc. | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: TBH I'd wait with that until after a3 | 10:40 |
| seb128 | ok :-( | 10:40 |
| * seb128 hates alpha weeks | 10:40 | |
| pitti | didrocks: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100224.2/lucid-netbook-i386.manifest | 10:52 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's gone now, but still oversized | 10:52 |
| didrocks | and more than a little oversized :/ | 10:53 |
| didrocks | well, language packs seem to be the same than yesterday | 10:54 |
| * didrocks makes a diff against manifest | 10:55 | |
| pitti | didrocks: 23.1 against 24.2? | 10:55 |
| pitti | (23.1 was the last good one) | 10:55 |
| didrocks | yes | 10:56 |
| === czajkowski is now known as cz | ||
| === cz is now known as cztab | ||
| didrocks | pitti: nothing really noticeable: the bluez-utils + bluetooth stuff, rhythymbox-ubuntuone-plugins and its depends (python-ubuntuone, libubuntuone). The rest is only new package version | 11:00 |
| didrocks | (maybe we should have a manifest with the size of the packages as a third column) | 11:01 |
| === cztab is now known as czajkowski | ||
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, pitti: bug #526747 | 11:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526747 in indicator-applet "battery applet popup is empty" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526747 | 11:07 |
| seb128 | there is a 2 liners fix there | 11:07 |
| seb128 | if you want to do an update or queue that next time you do gpm changes | 11:07 |
| seb128 | it's a bug in the gpm appindicator patch | 11:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: som, *puzzled* | 11:11 |
| pitti | s/som/so/ | 11:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: I've just sync the new iso, I'm looking at the new packages first | 11:12 |
| didrocks | if not, there is one updated package which is *big* | 11:12 |
| pitti | right | 11:12 |
| pitti | didrocks: woudl you mind investigating this? I need to do some server ISO juggling | 11:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure :-) | 11:12 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks, merci | 11:13 | |
| * didrocks hugs pitti back | 11:13 | |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks, i'll take a look at the gpm patch | 11:42 |
| chrisccoulson | it looks like i'm going to be spending more time on gpm later anyway ;) | 11:42 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 11:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks | 11:43 |
| pitti | didrocks: any luck yet? If not, we'll just declare the one as alpha-3 and document it in the release notes that you need to use an USB stick | 11:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: sorry, I was just ensuring that the ubiquity installer create the wallpaper on live mode first. Now that it's ok, let me reboot and make some tries | 11:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, so the caching works? | 11:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: if installing in live mode, right. Apparently, not in autoinstall mode | 11:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: maybe talk to Keybuk and ask him to check the caching after an auto-install? (you know much more how this works now, sorry for delegating) | 11:54 |
| pitti | didrocks: nevermind :) | 11:55 |
| didrocks | :) | 11:56 |
| TeTeT | asac: I just installed network-manager 0.8-0ubuntu4~nmt4 from the PPA and my wireless connection broke. the nm-applet icon is spinning all the time. starting it with --no-daemon I get a usage info from dhclient | 11:57 |
| asac | ouch | 11:59 |
| baptistemm | yeah gnome-user-share release | 12:04 |
| chrisccoulson | cool | 12:04 |
| baptistemm | IT IS FOR ME !!!IT IS FOR ME !!!IT IS FOR ME !!!IT IS FOR ME !!! | 12:05 |
| baptistemm | :) | 12:05 |
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson, I was joking, if you want to do it, you can go | 12:05 |
| TeTeT | asac: in git log it says Merge remote branch 'origin/dhcp6', maybe this is where the problem comes from - just a wild guess | 12:05 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, it's for nobody we are frozen for alpha today | 12:06 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:06 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - if you have 5 minutes, would you be able to verify that gnome-user-share is not in the ubuntu-desktop packageset (I would do that myself, but i can't run edit_acl.py from work). if it's not in that packageset, i will ask cjwatson about it this afternoon | 12:06 |
| baptistemm | as this is the 1st release since 2.28.x, there should a bunch of new changes, like a new share bar in ~/Public | 12:06 |
| chrisccoulson | it has a nautilus extension now? | 12:06 |
| seb128 | sucks | 12:07 |
| seb128 | we might not want to update for lucid | 12:07 |
| seb128 | stop adding things which are init-ed at login... | 12:07 |
| chrisccoulson | we'd need to review the impact on login time | 12:07 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah | 12:07 |
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson, does it requires to be an extensions ? | 12:07 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm: yeah. those bars are usually from nautilus extensions | 12:07 |
| baptistemm | there is no way to register tha through dbus | 12:08 |
| chrisccoulson | so, i suspect it installs its own extension now | 12:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i just checked the git log | 12:08 |
| chrisccoulson | it's definately got a nautilus extension now | 12:08 |
| asac | TeTeT: i asked cypthermox to check that | 12:08 |
| asac | will upgrade later today to daily again ... then i will see too ;) | 12:09 |
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson, perhaps you can just patch to disable the extension | 12:09 |
| TeTeT | asac: good luck | 12:09 |
| asac | TeTeT: can you paste the error you got in --no-daemon? | 12:14 |
| TeTeT | asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/382930/ | 12:18 |
| baptistemm | asac, we don't use a dhcp with d-bus capabilities? (I remember to see such) | 12:22 |
| asac | baptistemm: that was dropped long ago (intrepid?) | 12:23 |
| baptistemm | ah okay | 12:23 |
| * baptistemm is totally lagging in certain part | 12:23 | |
| baptistemm | thx | 12:23 |
| asac | dhcpdbd | 12:23 |
| asac | i think was the package name | 12:23 |
| asac | thats gone now | 12:23 |
| asac | TeTeT: so yes, the dhpc6 commit seems to be the best guess | 12:24 |
| asac | i remember dan talking about our dhcp being sooo outdated | 12:24 |
| asac | looking at code it seems to add the -S or -N option | 12:25 |
| asac | for ip6 | 12:25 |
| asac | - return dhclient_start (client, "-6"); | 12:25 |
| asac | + return dhclient_start (client, "-6", info_only ? "-S" : "-N"); | 12:25 |
| asac | but not for ip4 | 12:25 |
| TeTeT | in nm-dhcp-dhclient.c | 12:25 |
| asac | right | 12:26 |
| TeTeT | asac: our dh_client doesn't seem to understand either | 12:26 |
| TeTeT | asac: I compile one without the -S and -N and test it | 12:30 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| TeTeT | asac: seems I can'\t build it anymore, gtk-doc is missing | 12:43 |
| asac | TeTeT: how are you building? | 12:43 |
| TeTeT | asac: in the upstream source, copied the debian directory from ubuntu-head and then 'debuild -b -uc -us' | 12:44 |
| TeTeT | asac: building now from our apt-get source network-manager base instead of upstream | 12:47 |
| TeTeT | asac: doesn't work for me, still the same error, hope I did build it right | 12:51 |
| asac | strange | 12:53 |
| asac | thats the same version that biult on the builders? | 12:54 |
| asac | TeTeT: ? | 12:54 |
| TeTeT | asac: yes, I've built it, but the problem with dhclient does not go away | 12:54 |
| asac | ok .thats what you mean | 12:55 |
| asac | TeTeT: from configure: | 12:58 |
| asac | + AC_MSG_CHECKING(for dhclient) | 12:58 |
| asac | + # NM only works with ISC dhclient - other derivatives don't have | 12:58 |
| asac | + # the same userland. NM also requires dhclient 4.x since older | 12:58 |
| asac | + # versions do not have IPv6 support. | 12:58 |
| asac | so ... we need newer dhclent | 12:58 |
| asac | or ... try dhcpcd | 12:58 |
| asac | --with-dhcpcd=yes | 12:58 |
| asac | in rulesa | 12:58 |
| TeTeT | asac: ok, I give it a try | 12:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: sorry, was off for lunch; looking | 13:12 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: g-u-s has no uploaders at all; this needs to be fixed by cjwatson | 13:13 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks :) | 13:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll ping cjwatson about that then. it would be useful if i could upload it again | 13:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: just done | 13:14 |
| pitti | (the ping) | 13:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks:) | 13:14 |
| TeTeT | asac: doesn't seem to work with dhcpcd and without dhclient - I have to give a class in 30 minutes, so I will continue testing tomorrow | 13:29 |
| asac | TeTeT: guess you also have to say: --with-dhclient=no ... if you already did that then thats bad luck ;) | 13:30 |
| asac | have to think about it | 13:30 |
| asac | probably have to update dhcp in the daily ppa for now | 13:30 |
| asac | but i hope for dhcpcd atm ;) | 13:30 |
| pitti | seb128, kenvandine: seems we currently get flooded with indicator patches; ok for you if I fan them out between the three of us, for review and applying? | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, that was the idea when I asked them to assign the team rather than to kenvandine | 13:43 |
| pitti | ok, fine | 13:43 |
| seb128 | bah | 13:43 |
| seb128 | gwibber crashes on start on current a3 image for me | 13:43 |
| seb128 | as do desktopcouch-service | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | hey guys | 13:44 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i have a fix for that | 13:44 |
| pitti | kenvandine: good morning! | 13:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, seems to bug #519557 | 13:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 519557 in gwibber "gwibber-service crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519557 | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | rather a work around for desktopcouch being slow to start at boot | 13:45 |
| seb128 | and bug #525542 | 13:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525542 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with BadArgumentsError in __init__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525542 | 13:45 |
| * kenvandine looks | 13:45 | |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine | 13:45 |
| kenvandine | pitti, that is what i was working on last night :) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | bug #519558 | 13:46 |
| ubottu | Bug 519558 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/519558 is private | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | have seen bug #525542 yet though | 13:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 525542 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with BadArgumentsError in __init__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525542 | 13:46 |
| seb128 | I get it on today's livecd booted on the mini with an usb key | 13:46 |
| seb128 | when I tried to open "broadcast account" I think | 13:47 |
| seb128 | yeah | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | the bad admin account thing? | 13:47 |
| seb128 | it does it every time | 13:47 |
| seb128 | dunno what you are talking about ;-) | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | 519558 | 13:47 |
| seb128 | just open the me menu and pick broadcast account | 13:47 |
| seb128 | bug # | 13:47 |
| seb128 | bah | 13:48 |
| seb128 | ah | 13:48 |
| seb128 | I get all 3 crashes together | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | ok | 13:48 |
| pitti | right same here (gwibber crashes) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | every time I try to open gwibber | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | seb128, from the live image right? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | ok, i'll boot the live image this morning | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | i have a fix to handle gracefully waiting for desktopcouch to start | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | which seems pretty reliable | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | but it feels like a real hack | 13:49 |
| pitti | kenvandine: increase the d-bus timeout? | 13:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, I've made a script to get the size of each package as well and runned it in today and yesterday's image: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/ubuntu-netbook/ | 13:50 |
| kenvandine | can you do that for service activation? | 13:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: it's not related to activation as such | 13:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: I can't find anything noticeable looking at the default. At most, we should have get something like 2MB | 13:50 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i think it actually is | 13:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: weird | 13:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: well, of course activation causes the call to take much longer | 13:50 |
| pitti | but from an API POV activiation is invisible | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | i'll look at that | 13:51 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well 525542 indicates desktopcouch crashes | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | my hack was to catch the exception and try again | 13:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: are there any additional files uninstalled on the live, out of any package? | 13:51 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, so it's not a waiting to start issue | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | yeah, that isn't related | 13:51 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I doubt it's a start race... | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | i agree | 13:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I've waiting at least 5 minutes between tries | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | not sure what that is | 13:52 |
| nigelb | seb128: upstream rhythmbox helped me out, they said --debug is too much to be asked for every bug report | 13:52 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll make sure chad looks at that | 13:52 |
| seb128 | nigelb, see ;-) | 13:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 13:52 |
| nigelb | hehe, so I'm going with just nonstandard gconf data | 13:53 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| nigelb | seb128: how do you want me to do this? debdiff or request a bzr merge? | 14:00 |
| seb128 | as you prefer | 14:00 |
| seb128 | just put the bzr url in the bug you opened | 14:00 |
| seb128 | or update the same bzr location | 14:00 |
| seb128 | easier | 14:00 |
| nigelb | I'll update the same bzr location | 14:00 |
| thekorn | hi, which netbook launcher should be used in today's version of UNE, the classical netbook-launcher or netbook-launcher-efl? | 14:01 |
| didrocks | thekorn: netbook-launcher if you have a 3D driver and hw, then n-l-efl should be launched as a fallback if you don't have it | 14:02 |
| thekorn | didrocks, ah, ok, this explains why I have different launcher in kvm and real hardware, thanks | 14:03 |
| didrocks | thekorn: it just show it works ;) | 14:03 |
| thekorn | ok, one bug I don't need to file, let's find some more ... :) | 14:05 |
| didrocks | thekorn: let's say for each bug you file and I fix, you implement one of the missing feature in LP API I need? ;) | 14:06 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, the gsd/libgnomekbd ones are pretty intrusive :( | 14:06 |
| thekorn | didrocks, deal! | 14:06 |
| didrocks | :) | 14:06 |
| pitti | thekorn: oh, does the efl launcher actually work for you? | 14:06 |
| pitti | it just crashes for me in kvm | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes :-( | 14:07 |
| thekorn | pitti, yes, it works on real hardware (eeepc) but crashes when shutting it down, | 14:07 |
| thekorn | but on kvm it indeed crashes | 14:08 |
| pitti | it crashes on startup for me; I don't have any launcher at all | 14:08 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 14:08 |
| * pitti fixes the lucid apport retracer chroots | 14:08 | |
| thekorn | right, no launcher in kvm | 14:08 |
| thekorn | what do you prefere? should I reopen old bugs (bug 277133) or create a new one? | 14:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 277133 in payson "text under icons wraps badly in netbook-launcher" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277133 | 14:09 |
| pitti | personally I prefer reopening old bugs, unless it's not 100% clear that they are identical, or the old bug has two million duplicates and 200 comments, so that working with it is impractical | 14:11 |
| pitti | but since it's didrocks's bug, it's his call :) | 14:11 |
| didrocks | thekorn: pitti: it's not the same based code, right for launcher < karmic? | 14:13 |
| didrocks | base* | 14:13 |
| didrocks | njpatel: ^ | 14:13 |
| pitti | when in doubt, open a new one rather | 14:13 |
| didrocks | if it's not the same, I prefer a new bug :) | 14:13 |
| pitti | duplication is much easier than cloning | 14:13 |
| didrocks | thekorn: just ensure it's not one related to bug #459367 | 14:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 459367 in netbook-remix-launcher "Menu anomalies for categories with >= 8 rows" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459367 | 14:14 |
| didrocks | thekorn: if you want to have a look at my high priority bug, you can find them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNE/lucid-bugs | 14:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: found the cause of the CD oversize | 14:15 |
| thekorn | great page, looks like alot of work ;) | 14:15 |
| didrocks | thekorn: just hope to be able to empty it before lucid's release :) | 14:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: it's not on the squashfs system. It's in pool/main/l (there are now the linux/ linux-firmware/ and lupin/ directories) | 14:16 |
| pitti | ooh | 14:16 |
| thekorn | I'm sure you will, UNE is going to rock! | 14:16 |
| didrocks | and as the linux package is something like 30 MB :) | 14:16 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, my next logical question is "where is definied the packages that goes to pool/ ? It's normally additional package not installed by default, right? | 14:17 |
| pitti | correct, ship-live | 14:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: none of those are in earlier CDs? | 14:18 |
| didrocks | /mnt/iso-23/pool/main/l$ du -sh * | 14:18 |
| didrocks | 197Klinux-wlan-ng | 14:18 |
| didrocks | 12Klupin | 14:18 |
| didrocks | /mnt/iso-24/pool/main/l$ du -sh * | 14:19 |
| didrocks | 29Mlinux | 14:19 |
| didrocks | 7,0Mlinux-firmware | 14:19 |
| didrocks | 10Klinux-meta | 14:19 |
| pitti | ok, lupin-support is | 14:19 |
| didrocks | 197Klinux-wlan-ng | 14:19 |
| didrocks | 12Klupin | 14:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: right, diffed the two .list files | 14:20 |
| pitti | +/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.31_all.deb | 14:20 |
| pitti | +/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_2.6.32.14.15_i386.deb | 14:20 |
| pitti | +/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image_2.6.32.14.15_i386.deb | 14:20 |
| pitti | +/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic_2.6.32-14.20_i386.deb | 14:20 |
| didrocks | I should have started by that instead of writing the script to get the package manifest size | 14:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: I don't see any change to the seed related to that | 14:21 |
| pitti | no, there isn't; I asked slangasek/cjwatson in #u-release | 14:22 |
| didrocks | (well, not sure what the supported file is really about, but well ;)) | 14:22 |
| didrocks | thanks | 14:22 |
| pitti | didrocks: as always, cj "hero" watson fixed it | 14:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: bug in the seeds | 14:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: r1447 in netbook seed | 14:27 |
| didrocks | pitti: seeing. I don't understand why we hadn't the issue before | 14:28 |
| pitti | Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0 ... | 14:30 |
| pitti | gio-querymodules: symbol lookup error: /tmp/tmpatgqLq/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_variant_type_copy | 14:30 |
| pitti | oh-uh | 14:30 |
| seb128 | needs pre-depends? | 14:31 |
| pitti | it was just in the apport chrooots, so I can't claim that it's a real bug | 14:32 |
| pitti | apt-get -f install cured it | 14:33 |
| pitti | so, lucid retracers should be happy again | 14:33 |
| pitti | fuse-utils postinst needed more permissions than fakechroot can handle | 14:33 |
| nigelb | shouldn't this statement work for an apport hook? "attach_gconf('GconfData', 'rhythmbox')"? | 14:34 |
| nigelb | (I'm not seeing the information attached) | 14:34 |
| pitti | nigelb: do you import the complete apport.hookutils namespace? | 14:35 |
| pitti | nigelb: also, the first argument needs to be the report object, not a staring | 14:35 |
| pitti | s/staring/string/ | 14:35 |
| nigelb | pitti: oh, ah | 14:35 |
| seb128 | nigelb, looks to other installed examples | 14:36 |
| nigelb | I did, then dont have this thingie | 14:36 |
| nigelb | they just use gconftool -R | 14:36 |
| seb128 | source_gnome-power-manager.py: attach_gconf(report, 'gnome-power-manager') | 14:36 |
| seb128 | there | 14:36 |
| nigelb | ah | 14:36 |
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| nigelb | seb128: that seems to contain some usernames, passwords, shall I mask it out? | 14:39 |
| seb128 | yes please | 14:39 |
| nigelb | :) | 14:39 |
| nigelb | I dont seem to be able to manipulate the data to mask it when I use "attach_gconf(report, 'rhythmbox')" | 14:45 |
| nigelb | should I go back to apport.hookutils.command_output? | 14:45 |
| pitti | nigelb: this function creates report['GConfNonDefault'] | 14:47 |
| pitti | nigelb: so you could do the filtering on this key's value after attach_gconf() | 14:47 |
| pitti | attach_gconf() is handy because it already filters out the default values, etc. | 14:48 |
| nigelb | but I havent understood how to filter the attach_gconf() | 14:48 |
| pitti | nigelb: attach_gconf(report, 'rhythmbox') | 14:49 |
| pitti | report['GConfNonDefault'] = my_filter_function(report['GConfNonDefault']) | 14:49 |
| nigelb | ah. hacking this is not easy :) | 14:50 |
| pitti | nigelb: filtering that is not any harder than calling gconftool certainly? | 14:50 |
| nigelb | pitti: no | 14:51 |
| pitti | nigelb: but of course you are welcome to call it directly, if it's any easier | 14:51 |
| nigelb | I meant hacking through apport for the first time is not easy ;) | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, hiya | 15:07 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 15:07 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 15:08 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | soooo ... | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | sabdfl asked us to turn the crank on more time on gwibber | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine has the details | 15:08 |
| seb128 | ? | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti how hard would it be start gwibber up say 30 seconds after boot? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | trivial | 15:09 |
| seb128 | but do we want that? | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i filled pitti in a little last night | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | never bad to hear that | 15:09 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: easy (but only if you actually have configured accounts) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | we probably have 80% of our users who don't need it | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, and sabdfl and i traded a few more emails after the one i forwarded you | 15:09 |
| pitti | I mean, we should only start it if you have configured accounts | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, right | 15:09 |
| seb128 | +1 | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, sabdfl did agree to that as well | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, ok, so what's the status? | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | we want to enable it in the session if you have configured accounts | 15:10 |
| seb128 | can we start by making gwibber start and not crash on today's image? ;-) | 15:10 |
| rickspencer3 | (I would think not starting an unconfigured service would go without saying, but ... heh) | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | it would be nice to delay start a little | 15:10 |
| seb128 | how do we turn it off? | 15:10 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, can you share estimates and necessary work with what you actually agreed to with sabdfl? | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it would be off by default | 15:10 |
| seb128 | I've a configured account but I do not want gwibber to start | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | uncheck it in the session :) | 15:10 |
| seb128 | ok, easy enough | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | or have an "autostart" preference in gwibber | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | seb128, how would we handle delayed starts? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | so it's a 2 lines chang | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | in fact, it shouldn't really start until after you have a network connection, I would think | 15:11 |
| seb128 | using autostart-delay key in the desktop entry? | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | it would be nice to have a general way of handling that | 15:11 |
| seb128 | + an autostart condition | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok, so that exists? | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | cool | 15:11 |
| seb128 | ie checking a gconf key to know if there is a configure account | 15:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, yeah, chrisccoulson did that this cycle | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | excellent | 15:11 |
| seb128 | we use it to delay other things already | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | there are two problems | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | hello | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, who is that guy? why do I keep hearing his name? | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | one, you have to check desktopcouch to see if there are accounts | 15:12 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey ;-) | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | my ears are burning ;) | 15:12 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | we don't want to do that :) | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | the hack would be to write a gconf key saying it was configured | 15:12 |
| seb128 | just define a key false by default | 15:12 |
| seb128 | and make gwibber enable it | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, can you capture these points in the blueprint please? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | when you first define an account | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | (after discussing here) | 15:13 |
| rickspencer3 | we need a place to document it, and we need work items | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | seb128, right, i was thinking we would just ship the autostart file as disabled (like we do now) | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | then enable it when you configure accounts | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | and having that delay is great :) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | that is hackish now | 15:13 |
| seb128 | it's either to tweak gconf keys in a programmatic way | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | the problem i see with that is syncing accounts | 15:13 |
| pitti | we shoudl start firefox by default, too | 15:14 |
| seb128 | either -> easier | 15:14 |
| pitti | and gtkblog | 15:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, and empathy! | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:14 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - and evolution | 15:14 |
| seb128 | "ready to use" | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | let's autostart eveything installed | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | then it will take 10 minutes to log in.... | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | if we installed things that's to use those ;-) | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, can i just add this to the existing sfts blueprint? | 15:14 |
| pitti | and bughugger! | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | haha | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | don't forget photobomb :) | 15:15 |
| pitti | kenvandine: please do (sfts) | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | anyway... | 15:15 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, that's what I meant, yeah | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | we would need a way to do the same thing to enable it to start if it has synced accounts from u1 | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | which i just don't know if there is a sane way to do that | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | i think we need to just punt on that, and first time you run gwibber and it sees there are configured accounts and the key isn't set... enable it | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | pitti, about the dbus timeout... got an example how to set the timeout? | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | i can't find any docs on that... | 15:17 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: you want to use a timeout other than the default 25s for dbus calls? | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | is it 25s? | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | it is failing faster than that | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | for service activation, it needs to start desktopcouch | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | and if you start it in your session, it fails frequently | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | it's 25 seconds by default, but we've had issues with this before | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | how long does it take to fail? | 15:19 |
| * kenvandine glances at the log | 15:19 | |
| chrisccoulson | we seem to be having lots of issues with activation right now.... | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | about 2s | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmmm | 15:20 |
| sabdfl | ah, you guys rock, you know that? :-) | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | hey sabdfl :) | 15:20 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: is the service name claimed before registering the object you're trying to communicate with? | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, if i let it wait about 10s it works fine | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | i don't think so | 15:20 |
| seb128 | sabdfl, hey, thanks ;-) | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | obj = dbus.SessionBus().get_object("org.desktopcouch.CouchDB", "/") | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | cdb = dbus.Interface(obj, "org.desktopcouch.CouchDB") | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | cdb.getPort() | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | fails in about 2s | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - what happens on the desktop couch side? (which I assume is what you're trying to communicate with) | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:22 |
| * kenvandine hasn't looked at that code | 15:22 | |
| kenvandine | one sec | 15:22 |
| chrisccoulson | does it claim the name on the session bus first | 15:22 |
| chrisccoulson | and then register the object "/" | 15:22 |
| chrisccoulson | i've got a feeling it's racy if you do it in that order | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | yes | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | ah! | 15:23 |
| chrisccoulson | could you try swapping that? | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | bus_name = dbus.service.BusName("org.desktopcouch.CouchDB", | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | bus=dbus.SessionBus()) | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | self.death = death | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | dbus.service.Object.__init__(self, object_path="/", bus_name=bus_name) | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | wait... how do you swap that? | 15:23 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm just wondering how to do that | 15:23 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm sure it's possible to claim a temporary name, register an object and then change your name later on | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | seems you have to have the bus_name first | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i haven't tried it though | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | you can change the name | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | not sure how... but can find out | 15:24 |
| chrisccoulson | that might be the way to do it | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | i bet this would fix lots of the problems people are having with desktopcouch | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, you have any experience with that? | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | not sure how much of a dbus guru you are :) | 15:25 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know if that's your issue there though, but i think dbus will consider the service activated once the bus name appears | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | yeah, it kind of makes sense | 15:25 |
| chrisccoulson | so, if that happens before you've registered the object you're interested in, i'd expect it to be an issue | 15:25 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, I am in no way a D-Bus guru. Every time I need to use it I have to go back to the tutorial... | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | and the tutorial is very bare | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | there is definately a problem with desktopcouch starting with dbus activation | 15:26 |
| aquarius | you ain't kiddin'. | 15:26 |
| * kenvandine is digging in | 15:26 | |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: we have a similar issue with udisks too, so i'd be interested to know how to fix it ;) | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | haha | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:27 |
| === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| aquarius | so activation notices that you've claimed your name on the bus and then calls you before you've registered an object? | 15:27 |
| aquarius | that's dense. | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, we don't know for sure | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | that is chrisccoulson's speculation | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | aquarius: i'm guessing that's how it worls, but i'm not sure | 15:27 |
| aquarius | that suggests that absolutely everyone who uses activation ought to do this temporary-name shuffle, or they'd surely get the same problem? | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | aquarius: possibly, but i'm only speculating at the moment | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | we keep getting activation issues though | 15:28 |
| aquarius | *nod* I certainly agree there seems to be an activation problem | 15:29 |
| * kenvandine looks at some C code for examples | 15:29 | |
| aquarius | I'm just puzzled by how everyone in the world isn't bitten by this, if you really have to do the hot-shoe-shuffle with temporary names | 15:29 |
| mclasen | chrisccoulson: there's been a number of activation-related fixes in dbus recently | 15:30 |
| mclasen | but yes, those races also need squashing | 15:30 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen: thanks. have you been noticing issues too? | 15:30 |
| aquarius | what's the best way of trying to debug an activation issue? | 15:30 |
| mclasen | there were issues with reloading configuration dropping pending activations | 15:30 |
| mclasen | and issues with activating things that daemonize | 15:31 |
| pitti | kenvandine: oh, does the couchdb thing daemonize? it shouldn't | 15:31 |
| pitti | I had all sorts of trouble with that when I tried that years ago | 15:31 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, does it? | 15:31 |
| * kenvandine thinks CardinalFang should hang out in #ubuntu-desktop so we could leave aquarius alone :) | 15:32 | |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen: yeah, we've had issues with things which daemonize in the past (system-tools-backends being one of them) | 15:32 |
| kenvandine | speak of the devil :) | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, does desktopcouch daemonize? | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | i don't think it does | 15:33 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen - our main issue right now is bug 521481, which seems to be related to udisks activation | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 521481 in gnome-disk-utility "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in gdu_pool_get_presentables()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521481 | 15:33 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, er, when one calls the getPort() dbus call, programs are started by something that is daemonized, the DBus daemon. | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | yeah, but desktopcouch-service doesn't daemonize | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | right? | 15:34 |
| mclasen | chrisccoulson: yeah, we thought we had that nailed with the reload fixes, but it is still around | 15:34 |
| CardinalFang | It does not detach from dbus daemon, no. | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | ok | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | so that isn't the issue | 15:35 |
| aquarius | kenvandine, the couchdb process we start gets started as daemonised. desktopcouch-service *itself* doesn't daemonise, though | 15:35 |
| CardinalFang | I don't think it's allowed to, but I'm not certain about that. | 15:35 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen - yeah. that one gets lots of duplicates | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, when using a getPort() call to start desktopcouch, we are see frequent failures if done at session start | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | and looking at the gwibber logs, it is failing in about 2s | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | the timeout should be 25s | 15:37 |
| CardinalFang | Huh. I found a problem lately where I had set couchdb log file to a place I couldn't write to, and startup failed about the same way as that. | 15:38 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: has the idea of replacing FF with epiphany or something lighter (chromium) for UNE been considered that you know of? | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, chrisccoulson speculates it might be a problem with claiming the name on the bus before registering the object | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | but it looks silly, since you need a bus_name to register the object | 15:40 |
| CardinalFang | Yeah, I'm trying to parse that. | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | so if that was the case, we would need to claim a temp name, then register the object | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | then... change the name | 15:40 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: we discussed it but no decision has been taken. Let's see at lucid UDS | 15:40 |
| didrocks | lucid+1 UDS :) | 15:40 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, which seems like a real hack | 15:41 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: I noticed that chromium is much faster start up, but uses a lot more memory so I'm not sure that makes them even :-) | 15:41 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: but epiphany seems to be really making headway, and is more tightly integrated | 15:42 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: it's too late and too controversial for lucid anyway, let's see in +1 when the time comes :) | 15:43 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: sure sure, I was not thinking for Lucid at all, I just wondered if it had been discussed before | 15:44 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, Okay, I'm trying to see how something might be out of order. aquarius, PortAdvertser class, in __init__(), we call dbus.service.Objext.__init__(). But the methods we're exporting are decorated with dbus.service.method . Isn't the decorator run at compile time, and __init__ only at instance-creation time? | 15:44 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, I do not know if that is a problem. Just fishing. | 15:46 |
| aquarius | hrm. | 15:46 |
| aquarius | I...am not sure. | 15:46 |
| CardinalFang | Me either. Probably a blind alley. | 15:47 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, are there no useful log files of that happening? | 15:48 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: I was able to change icon sizes last night, but I don't know how to change the size of the container for the categories | 15:48 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I don't have the time to look at that before tomorrow, I saw yesterday it was in the same file | 15:50 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: ok, I'll keep digging around then | 15:51 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: if you need more help tomorrow, do not hesitate to ask | 15:52 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: is ubuntu-netbook-default-settings in bzr somewhere? | 15:52 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, hang on let me reproduce and get a log | 15:56 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, confirmed, decorators run when the class is parsed. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings | 15:59 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, but d-bus can't start exporting those methods until __init__ is run, because we're not on the bus at that point | 16:00 |
| james_w | what's the bug number? | 16:01 |
| james_w | I fixed an activation issue a few months ago, so might be able to help | 16:01 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - we're still seeing the same issue with devicekit-disks / udisks | 16:02 |
| CardinalFang | aq: The Python DBus tut has exactly our code, too. | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | it never really went away, even after the issue you fixed a few months back | 16:02 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: is my fix in the dbus package? | 16:02 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - yeah, it's in there | 16:02 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: I'm assuming bug #524333 is just adding vlc to the maximus exclude_class? | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 524333 in ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings "VLC Full Page" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524333 | 16:03 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - as long as we're talking about the same fix though ;) | 16:03 |
| chrisccoulson | (the timeout issue) | 16:03 |
| james_w | yeah | 16:03 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, we've got that fix | 16:03 |
| james_w | that rules out one thing then | 16:04 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: right :) | 16:04 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: hence the "good and easy opportunity" :) | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: ok, I'll do that one and onboard | 16:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: sweet, thanks! | 16:05 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: can you reproduce? | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: yeah, I thought I'd start with some low-hanging fruit | 16:05 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: there's no xsession-errors on that bug | 16:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: that's the good way, indeed | 16:06 |
| james_w | kenvandine: what's the actual error you get when you make the call? | 16:07 |
| james_w | straight timeout error? | 16:07 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - is there a bug number? | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | james_w, i don't think so | 16:07 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, bug 527112 is useful | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | reproducing in a VM | 16:07 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: the udisks one from mario | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527112 in ubuntuone-client "xx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527112 | 16:07 |
| james_w | bug 521481 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 521481 in gnome-disk-utility "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in gdu_pool_get_presentables()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521481 | 16:08 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: I guess we don't want to get crazy with it, but what about Tomboy? | 16:08 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - i've never recreated that bug, but it still gets people reporting it | 16:08 |
| chrisccoulson | the only way for gdu_pool_new to return NULL is if the dbus call fails somehow | 16:09 |
| james_w | yeah | 16:10 |
| james_w | I want to know what error dbus is sending back | 16:10 |
| james_w | it will give some clue as to how dbus is seeing the failure to activate | 16:10 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: hem, let me think and have a try | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | i think in the desktopcouch case it is desktopcouch tracebacks, like the find_port failure | 16:10 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: yeah, it seems logical, right | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | but if you give it plenty of time to start up, it never fails | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | plenty meaning 8-10s | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | so it is like it responds to the name, but it isn't ready to respond | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, i guess the problem probably is more related to getPort failing | 16:12 |
| james_w | right | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | so perhaps it doesn't wait long enough for couch to start | 16:12 |
| james_w | so don't create a dbus.service.BusName | 16:12 |
| james_w | until you are ready to handle everything | 16:12 |
| james_w | that's what dbus watches for | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, ^^ | 16:13 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: so, that sort of confirms my earlier theory | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | so that creates the name first thing on init | 16:13 |
| james_w | either that or have the method call block until it is ready if that is possible | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | oh... interesting | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | find_port is the call that tries starting couch | 16:15 |
| CardinalFang | james_w, kenvandine, okay. Fortuitously, I have a branch that should already do this right. | 16:15 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, ^ I'm not magical, I promise. | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, can i test your branch? | 16:15 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, ! | 16:16 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, Give me two minutes to upload. | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen - you might be interested in the comments from james_w in the scrollback there | 16:16 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, you've already done the work for this even though you didn't know it was needed? that's a useful talent :) | 16:16 |
| kenvandine | thx | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | that might be what causes the udisks activation problem too | 16:16 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: that's why I want to see the xsession-errors, if it's a timeout error you get then it's likely a different issue | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | the name gets claimed on __init__ but the underlying service it needs to start doesn't start until we call the method | 16:17 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, part of the get_port through DBus cleanup that's occupied my week. | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - i'll try and find that from a later report. | 16:18 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: thanks | 16:18 |
| mclasen | chrisccoulson: I'm pretty sure that udisks does things in the right order | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen - in devicekit-disks (i assume udisks does the same), it claims the service name and then registers the object you're trying to communicate with | 16:19 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, aha, yeah | 16:19 |
| chrisccoulson | that's the wrong way round isn't it? | 16:19 |
| mclasen | chrisccoulson: talk to david, I'd say | 16:19 |
| chrisccoulson | mclasen: will do. thanks | 16:20 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, this is *not* reviewed yet. Caveat Bzrker. | 16:20 |
| CardinalFang | lp:~cmiller/desktopcouch/get_port_through_dbus | 16:20 |
| james_w | CardinalFang: care to propose that for merging so that we could easily look at the diff | 16:22 |
| james_w | ? | 16:22 |
| james_w | you can use the "Extra options" to set it as Work In Progress if it's not ready for review yet | 16:22 |
| CardinalFang | james_w, Proposed. | 16:23 |
| james_w | thanks | 16:23 |
| james_w | CardinalFang: that should help indeed | 16:29 |
| james_w | CardinalFang: it's still taking the bus name before creating the object, but that's less likely to be an issue with it starting couch up front | 16:29 |
| jcastro | seb128: do we have a page somewhere that outlines what kind of hardware support rhythmbox has? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | no | 16:30 |
| CardinalFang | james_w, Do I not need the bus name already before I can init the object? Maybe there's a Object.set_bus() or something .... /me looks | 16:33 |
| james_w | CardinalFang: did you read the docstring for Object.__init__() ? | 16:33 |
| james_w | `bus_name` : dbus.service.BusName or None | 16:33 |
| james_w | Represents a well-known name claimed by this process. A | 16:33 |
| james_w | reference to the BusName object will be held by this | 16:33 |
| james_w | Object, preventing the name from being released during this | 16:33 |
| james_w | Object's lifetime (unless it's released manually). | 16:33 |
| james_w | so you can just do self.bus_name in your class, rather than having Object do it for you | 16:34 |
| CardinalFang | james_w, I don't see that the member name is the same as the arg name, yet. Also, it seems I need a dbus.connection.Connection instance instead. | 16:38 |
| james_w | CardinalFang: you can still use dbus.SystemBus() to get the connection | 16:41 |
| james_w | self.conn = dbus.SystemBus() | 16:41 |
| james_w | self.death = death | 16:41 |
| james_w | dbus.service.Object.__init__(self, object_path="/", conn=self.conn) | 16:42 |
| CardinalFang | Okay. I meant as param to Object.__init__. """Either conn or bus_name is required""" | 16:42 |
| james_w | slef.bus_name = dbus.service.BusName("org.desktopcouch.CouchDB", bus=self.conn) | 16:42 |
| CardinalFang | Cool. | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, kenvandine how is csd looking? still buggy? | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, better... sort of | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | now i actually get a timeout error from dbus starting the service :) | 16:55 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, good from there | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i think much better | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | seb128 knows more | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, so i definately think it is an improvement... but still something not quite right | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | great to hear | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks seb128 kenvandine | 16:57 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, there is one small bug where decoration are displayed where they should not | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm | 16:58 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 16:58 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, otherwise things look good | 16:58 |
| james_w | kenvandine: is the timeout in 25s, or much shorter? | 16:59 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, Hah. That's not better. | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | haha... | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | ok, added some logging | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | it is getting the timeout error in 2s | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.284 was not provided by any .service files | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | not timeout | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | service unknown | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | hummm | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | wtf! | 17:01 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, james_w: that is really strange | 17:03 |
| james_w | kenvandine: what's the call that is triggering it? | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | obj = dbus.SessionBus().get_object("org.desktopcouch.CouchDB", "/") | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | cdb = dbus.Interface(obj, "org.desktopcouch.CouchDB") | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | port = cdb.getPort() | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | i shouldn't need to restart dbus? | 17:04 |
| james_w | nope | 17:04 |
| james_w | it's making a call on a unique name | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | the service file is installed | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | and looks correct | 17:04 |
| james_w | or, we're getting confused and this is not actually triggered by the getPort call, but by something the daemon is doing in response to that | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | no it is | 17:05 |
| kenvandine | i just put mine in a try except and printed the exception | 17:05 |
| kenvandine | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383124/ | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | log output is | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | 2010-02-24 12:02:28,784 - Gwibber GNOME Client - INFO - KEN: Before calling DC | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | 2010-02-24 12:02:36,380 - Gwibber GNOME Client - ERROR - Failed to connect to desktopcouch, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.291 was not provided by any .service files | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | so in under 2s it fails with ServiceUnknown | 17:06 |
| james_w | yes | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | and desktopcouch is actually not started | 17:07 |
| james_w | but if it is actually trying to call a method on :1.291 then that is expected | 17:07 |
| kenvandine | before it did eventually start | 17:07 |
| kenvandine | true | 17:07 |
| james_w | kenvandine: so, it may be you have something on the bus at org.desktopcouch.CouchDB when you call get_object and it then leaves the bus before you call the method on it | 17:12 |
| james_w | kenvandine: do a dbus-monitor --system while running the code again please | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | james_w, CardinalFang: a reboot did wonders | 17:13 |
| james_w | cool | 17:14 |
| CardinalFang | I don't want to hear that. | 17:14 |
| james_w | the follow_name_owner_changes parameter to dbus.bus.BusConnection.get_object is what led me to that idea | 17:16 |
| james_w | I think it may want to be false for interactions with desktopcouch | 17:16 |
| kenvandine | so now at boot, it starts in 9s | 17:16 |
| kenvandine | and gwibber waits patiently for it | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | no idea why dbus needed a restart to find the service | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | james_w, name changes aren't a problem for us | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | desktopcouch restarting doesn't break gwibber | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | afaict anyway :) | 17:18 |
| james_w | if you only call getPort once then you are ok | 17:18 |
| james_w | apart from the race I highlighted above | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | james_w, i might have missed that race you mentioned | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | can you repo? | 17:19 |
| kenvandine | repeat? | 17:19 |
| kenvandine | my laptop overheated again... | 17:19 |
| james_w | <james_w> kenvandine: so, it may be you have something on the bus at org.desktopcouch.CouchDB when you call get_object and it then leaves the bus before you call the method on it | 17:19 |
| james_w | I haven't confirmed it's actually an issue, and it could be seen as a bug in the bindings | 17:20 |
| kenvandine | oh, like desktopcouch crashes? | 17:20 |
| kenvandine | ok, in my VM desktopcouch start time (time to respond to getPort) has varied between 6 and 13s when starting in the session | 17:22 |
| kenvandine | in my sampling of 10 logins of my VM | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | and killing gwibber, couch and friends and starting gwibber | 17:23 |
| james_w | dropping caches? | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | getPort responds in about a second | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | it was with reboots | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | seems to be working well, still slower than i would like | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | but deferring it a bit should make it start fast | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | at least no apport crash dialogs :) | 17:25 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, ^^^ | 17:25 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, so in my testing no very little code review... big thumbs up from me :) | 17:25 |
| kenvandine | s/no/and | 17:25 |
| CardinalFang | Hrm. Thanks, kenvandine. | 17:26 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, i would buy you at least 3 beers if you can make desktopcouch start faster :) | 17:27 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: did you fix the dbus issue yet? | 17:27 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, this branch does | 17:27 |
| chrisccoulson | ( i was afk and haven't checked the scrollback yet) | 17:27 |
| kenvandine | lp:~cmiller/desktopcouch/get_port_through_dbus | 17:27 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine: excellent :) | 17:28 |
| chrisccoulson | right, home time for me now | 17:28 |
| chrisccoulson | bbl | 17:28 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, later | 17:28 |
| * kenvandine goes to lunch... bbiab | 17:28 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, desktopcouch crashes the same way on the installed system | 17:29 |
| seb128 | same argument error | 17:29 |
| seb128 | when trying to join admin_username admin_password | 17:30 |
| seb128 | could it be a missing depends or init? | 17:30 |
| didrocks | pitti: do I had the bg wallpaper extra work as a WI somewhere? (the one with "ubiquity doesn't use gnome-destkop in install mode, so no cache and we are screwed" and the second "netbook-launcher doesn't use gnome-desktop to draw the bg") | 17:33 |
| didrocks | not sure about 1/ apart again from the hakish way | 17:33 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, gotcha | 17:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's an issue when there is no gnome-keyring available | 17:34 |
| DanEngholm | Hi. I'm having what I think is a PolicyKit problem. I've exhausted all other resources and could really use some help. | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | ah polkit | 17:42 |
| DanEngholm | Yeah, fun stuff... | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | DanEngholm, I can't help you, but I know that robert_ancell, who won't be online till much later, has some experience based on his work with GDM | 17:42 |
| DanEngholm | OK. I can check back later. Can you be more specific on when? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, still around? | 18:17 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i am at lunch :) | 18:17 |
| kenvandine | what's up? | 18:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, the desktopcouchdb is a gnome-keyring issue at least partially, I will fix it | 18:17 |
| kenvandine | oh? | 18:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you should get the "do you want to create a keyring" | 18:17 |
| kenvandine | oh! | 18:18 |
| seb128 | it happens when there is none yet | 18:18 |
| seb128 | and couchdesktop doesn't handle nicely this case | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | why isn't that working on the live image? | 18:18 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no keyring there or on new installs? | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | i get that in a guest session... or at least i did in the past | 18:18 |
| seb128 | the keyring is usually created when you first run empathy or evo | 18:19 |
| seb128 | it asks then your keyring password | 18:19 |
| seb128 | you know the dialog with 2 entries to confirm the password | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | right | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | so that isn't working? | 18:19 |
| seb128 | anyway I've tested that the libgnomekeyring http://git.gnome.org/browse/libgnome-keyring/commit/?id=5e37e8cc09712fd8cab60e42636f260f23bacd7e change fixes it | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | great | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | thx | 18:20 |
| seb128 | np | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | that probably breaks empathy too | 18:21 |
| seb128 | yes | 18:21 |
| seb128 | I tried empathy to create the keyring | 18:21 |
| seb128 | which failed too :p | 18:22 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, anyway enjoy your lunch | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | thx | 18:22 |
| * kenvandine goes to finish eating :) | 18:22 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, did you see that there is a desktopcouch branch that should fix up the other startup issues? | 18:22 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I didn't follow details | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | seems to work well :) | 18:23 |
| seb128 | cool | 18:24 |
| chrisccoulson | good evening everyone | 18:36 |
| didrocks | good evening chrisccoulson ;) | 18:36 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 18:36 |
| chrisccoulson | have you had a good day? | 18:37 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: well, yeah, good but discovered that my *love* for wallpaper cache isn't finished :) | 18:37 |
| * didrocks hugs netbook-launcher and ubiquity install mode :) | 18:37 | |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 18:38 |
| didrocks | yours? ;-) | 18:38 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it was ok thanks | 18:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm in wind-down mode now :) | 18:38 |
| didrocks | heh | 18:38 |
| didrocks | time for dinner, bbl | 18:38 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 18:38 |
| didrocks | have a good night pitti | 18:39 |
| mvo | reviewing app-install-data updates is always fun, I just came accross "happydigger" - Program for cataloging archaeological finds" what a well choosen name :) | 18:52 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 18:53 |
| mvo | colorname … woah | 19:10 |
| didrocks | the description sounds clever :) | 19:12 |
| mvo | its pretty cool | 19:12 |
| bryceh | pitti, should we think about removing nouveau-kernel-source from the archive since we're loading it from l-b-m? | 19:16 |
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| didrocks | bryceh: so, when I use Alt + 7, I got a square around the current windows like when you press alt + tab. I have the nvidia-current package installed, any idea how to debug that? (it just happened when switching to nouveau and then to nvidia). I can't change the WM too to compiz | 19:22 |
| bryceh | didrocks, just debug it in the usual ways | 19:24 |
| bryceh | bbiab (lunch) | 19:24 |
| didrocks | ok | 19:24 |
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| chrisccoulson | didrocks - have you figured out what causes your issue yet? (with alt+7) | 20:01 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: no, I hadn't the time to debug it. But I can't run compiz as well anymore. So, switching to the ubuntu nvidia driver package had caused those regression to me | 20:01 |
| didrocks | I'm waiting for another user to confirm that as well | 20:02 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a strange one | 20:02 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps i should try installing lucid on my desktop, which has nvidia hardware | 20:02 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i don't think my gf would like that too much | 20:02 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: heh, don't make her angry :) | 20:05 |
| didrocks | I try to catching up with things I have to do first ;) | 20:05 |
| chrisccoulson | does anyone here use any virtualization other than virtualbox? | 20:44 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i use kvm | 20:44 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, is that quite easy to set up? | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | no :) | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i use virtualbox on my desktop, primarily because it's quite old and other virtualization technologies suck on it | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | not compared to virtualbox | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | but not bad | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | use virt-manager | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | but i'm wondering if i should try something else on my laptop | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll have a look at virt-manager | 20:45 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | virt-manager isn't bad | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | UI around kvm | 20:45 |
| * seb128 uses kvm | 20:46 | |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - do you find it works quite well too? | 20:46 |
| seb128 | yes | 20:46 |
| seb128 | for what I do at least | 20:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i might try setting that up on my laptop | 20:47 |
| seb128 | which is mainly testing on fresh iso boots | 20:47 |
| seb128 | and doing iso testing for milestone too | 20:47 |
| chrisccoulson | i tried it on my desktop, but it sucks on there because my CPU doesn't have the necessary extensions | 20:47 |
| chrisccoulson | but my laptop is obviously much newer:) | 20:47 |
| seb128 | yeah | 20:48 |
| seb128 | just activate the option in the bios | 20:48 |
| seb128 | and run kvm on an iso | 20:48 |
| seb128 | kvm -cdrom .iso | 20:48 |
| seb128 | you might want to allow some extra memory too I think the default is low | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll give that a try this evening :) | 20:49 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: I use "testdrive" to test ubuntu things in a VM, it's a convenience wrapper around kvm | 20:57 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: launchpad.net/testdrive | 20:57 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: it'll update your isos, etc. | 20:57 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro, thanks. i'll take a look at that too | 20:58 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - my menu bug is back again now | 21:21 |
| chrisccoulson | and i've just noticed something | 21:22 |
| seb128 | oh? | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | i've got 2 cache files in /usr/share/applications, with slightly different names | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | one of them is updated with all the latest applications, and the other one isn't | 21:22 |
| seb128 | what names? | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | i have a "desktop.en_GB.utf8.cache" and a "desktop.en_GB.UTF8.cache" | 21:23 |
| seb128 | what and the UTF is wrong? | 21:23 |
| chrisccoulson | the UTF8 one has an application in it which i just installed, and the utf8 one doesn't | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | and the application is missing from my menu | 21:24 |
| seb128 | what LC_MESSAGES do you use? | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - "en_GB.utf8" | 21:25 |
| seb128 | and the user who doesn't have the bug? | 21:25 |
| chrisccoulson | they're both using the same LC_MESSAGES, so that still doesn't explain why the user accounts were behaving differently | 21:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - actually, i'm wrong | 21:27 |
| seb128 | you can do MENU_VERBOSE=1 gmenu-simple-editor | 21:27 |
| chrisccoulson | the other account has "en_GB.UTF8" | 21:27 |
| chrisccoulson | so there's the issue | 21:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ah! | 21:27 |
| seb128 | the question is "why" now | 21:28 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah. technically, the latter locale is not supported on my system | 21:28 |
| chrisccoulson | "locale -a" doesn't list it | 21:28 |
| seb128 | python-gmenu.postinst is weird | 21:31 |
| seb128 | eval `locale|grep LC_MESSAGES` | 21:31 |
| seb128 | cache="/usr/share/applications/desktop.$LC_MESSAGES.cache" | 21:31 |
| seb128 | so it depends of the locale when the update runs | 21:32 |
| seb128 | and it will cache only one locale | 21:32 |
| seb128 | need to talk to pitti about that | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it seems like it should do it for all supported locales | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | gdm sets the environment doesn't it? | 21:33 |
| seb128 | I was going to say that | 21:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm trying to trace it back, and figure out where this bogus value comes from | 21:33 |
| seb128 | $ locale -a | grep en_ | wc -l | 21:33 |
| seb128 | 16 | 21:33 |
| seb128 | *shrug* | 21:33 |
| seb128 | we should maybe create a cache dir | 21:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I think gdm does yes | 21:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i just grep'd for "LC_MESSAGES" in the gdm source, and it seems the greeter sets it in several places | 21:34 |
| seb128 | what Language do you have in your dmrc? | 21:36 |
| seb128 | in /var/log/gdm/<user> | 21:36 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, i was just about to ask where my dmrc is now, as it's not at ~/.dmrc | 21:37 |
| seb128 | it has been moved which doesn't need a password to be unlocked ;-) | 21:37 |
| seb128 | +in a dir | 21:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - my dmrc has the correct locale "en_GB.utf8" | 21:38 |
| chrisccoulson | and the broken account has no dmrc | 21:38 |
| chrisccoulson | time to attach gdb to the greeter now so i can work out where that value comes from | 21:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, not gdm I guess | 21:40 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, possibly not, seeing as dpkg has seen the bogus locale at some point too | 21:41 |
| seb128 | trying to start a session without gdm it has UTF-8 | 21:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i confirm that too | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | just logging in to a console | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it's the same on karmic though | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | so perhaps the value in my dmrc is the wrong one :-/ | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm confused now | 21:44 |
| seb128 | it's utf8 there too | 21:44 |
| seb128 | seems it's what gdm do | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | so, gdm is messing up the case somewhere then | 21:45 |
| seb128 | the cache should probably handle any utf(-)8 without case | 21:45 |
| seb128 | well I've an extra "-" too on the non gdm session | 21:45 |
| seb128 | and listing the locales using locale use "utf8" too | 21:46 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i get the same too | 21:47 |
| seb128 | I think the easier would be to make the cache work with any case and "-" | 21:47 |
| seb128 | rather than trying to normalize the values | 21:47 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that would make sense | 21:48 |
| seb128 | iz pitti bog | 21:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, we can bug him in the morning ;) | 21:50 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i'm glad we understand that one now | 21:50 |
| seb128 | yeah | 21:51 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 21:51 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hello | 21:51 |
| * kenvandine heads out for some family time | 22:04 | |
| kenvandine | bbl | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | yay, kvm is working :) | 22:05 |
| baptistemm_ | kvm is easy to setup | 22:12 |
| baptistemm_ | I used it this week end to validate LTS upgrade | 22:12 |
| baptistemm_ | wowo I have my notification area wich is moving to the left as comes and disappear the g-p-m battery icon | 22:14 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:31 |
| seb128 | g_printerr ("Error opening %s: %m\n", device_file); | 22:31 |
| seb128 | how does that work? | 22:31 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yuck, what is that from? | 22:32 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, udisks | 22:32 |
| didrocks | hey robert_ancell, that's a long time o/ | 22:32 |
| robert_ancell | not a good sign... | 22:32 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, hey | 22:32 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, there is plenty of those, but no compiler warning in the build log | 22:32 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure why | 22:32 |
| seb128 | I feel there is something I don't get | 22:32 |
| seb128 | " g_printerr ("Error seeking to position %" G_GSSIZE_FORMAT " for %s: %m\n", | 22:33 |
| seb128 | pos, | 22:33 |
| seb128 | device_file);" | 22:33 |
| seb128 | too for example | 22:33 |
| robert_ancell | does %m automagically get replaced with strerror(errno) | 22:34 |
| robert_ancell | ? | 22:34 |
| geser | seb128: %m: (Glibc extension.) Print output of strerror(errno). No argument is required. (from man 3 printf) | 22:34 |
| robert_ancell | that's handy | 22:34 |
| seb128 | geser, robert_ancell: thanks | 22:35 |
| seb128 | learning every day ;-) | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | heh. i didn't know that either ;) | 22:40 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - you're looking at udisks crashes? | 22:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, to one yes | 22:42 |
| seb128 | bug #527202 | 22:42 |
| ubottu | Bug 527202 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/527202 is private | 22:42 |
| seb128 | I though it would be something easy maybe | 22:42 |
| seb128 | often those "crash when printing an error" are a GError not set to NULL | 22:43 |
| seb128 | or similar | 22:43 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - the string passed to printf not being NULL terminated is another common cause | 22:44 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: My gwibber just crashed but apport didn't fire off. Looking in /var/crash I see a bunch of gwibber related .crash files | 22:53 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: should I file a bug by hand or ...? | 22:53 |
| desrt | seb128: hey? | 22:55 |
| seb128 | desrt, hello | 22:56 |
| desrt | seb128: have you been shipping unstable glibs? | 22:56 |
| desrt | seb128: hi :) | 22:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, yes | 22:56 |
| desrt | sweet | 22:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, we have 2.23.4 | 22:56 |
| seb128 | jcastro, double click on those in nautilus? | 22:56 |
| desrt | so, implicitly, you'll have .24 in lucid | 22:56 |
| seb128 | jcastro, double click on those in nautilus? | 22:56 |
| seb128 | ups | 22:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, yes | 22:57 |
| desrt | ok. i'll try not to abuse you too much, then :) | 22:57 |
| jcastro | seb128: I had no idea I could do that, that's awesome | 22:57 |
| seb128 | desrt, good work on gvariant btw! | 22:58 |
| desrt | seb128: not done just yet :) | 22:58 |
| desrt | two small parts remain | 22:58 |
| desrt | i've already gotten email about "wtf?!? you removed varargs support?!?" | 22:59 |
| desrt | "no. just not landed yet." | 22:59 |
| desrt | seb128: i guess we're really far past new package freeze? | 22:59 |
| seb128 | desrt, not far | 23:01 |
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| desrt | eh. probably better off with a PPA anyway | 23:01 |
| seb128 | desrt, I would say that new packages in universe are non issue | 23:01 |
| seb128 | not a potential to break a lot | 23:01 |
| desrt | i made a test coverage tool | 23:01 |
| seb128 | using a ppa works good too :-) | 23:02 |
| desrt | ya. i'll do that. it's easy enough. | 23:02 |
| desrt | it'll be approximately 4 lines worth of dh rules :p | 23:02 |
| desrt | it's a vala (read: .c in the tarball) autotools package that depends on gtk and installs a single binary file | 23:03 |
| desrt | even i can handle that one :) | 23:04 |
| DanEngholm | robert_ancell: I hear you're the guy with whom I need to chat about a polkit problem I'm having. This is bug number 485586. | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'll put the latest gnome-user-share in to the ubuntu-desktop PPA if you want to do some benchmarks with the new nautilus extension (if i get the chance to before i go to bed) | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | did you get your mini fixed btw? | 23:19 |
| robert_ancell | DanEngholm, looking... | 23:19 |
| DanEngholm | robert_ancell: Thanks. | 23:20 |
| robert_ancell | bug #485586 | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 485586 in policykit "PolicyKit: "Not Authorized to make changes"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485586 | 23:20 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok thanks | 23:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yes | 23:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the mini, yes | 23:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, not reinstalled yet though I'm fighting with ubiquity | 23:21 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, perhaps you could post the output of "ck-list-sessions" to the bug report (from the session that has the issues) | 23:21 |
| seb128 | I spent my afternoon filling ubiquity crash bugs | 23:21 |
| seb128 | and waiting for new isos | 23:21 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it's good that you got it fixed now :) | 23:22 |
| seb128 | yeah ;-) | 23:22 |
| robert_ancell | DanEngholm, so what changed when the problem started? | 23:22 |
| seb128 | bratsche, bug #527431 | 23:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527431 in gtk+2.0 "gtk_window_set_decorated(window, FALSE) does not work when called before showing the window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527431 | 23:22 |
| seb128 | bratsche, could you look at that bug? | 23:22 |
| DanEngholm | robert_ancell: I'm not sure. I did put /etc under Subversion control but I did it in place. That is, all the files remained, just the .svn directories got added. Other than that, I have no idea. | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm - thats a known issue | 23:24 |
| DanEngholm | Oh? | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | the svn files in the seats.d folder screws up consolekit | 23:24 |
| DanEngholm | Ah hah! | 23:24 |
| chrisccoulson | and all local sessions get added to dynamic seats | 23:24 |
| DanEngholm | I can easily cull them out. | 23:25 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, just to confirm though, please run "ck-list-sessions" | 23:25 |
| DanEngholm | Will do... Working... | 23:25 |
| chrisccoulson | i suspect that you are not on Seat1... | 23:25 |
| chrisccoulson | and that is the issue | 23:25 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, nice | 23:25 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, yeah, it seems CK is quite fragile there | 23:26 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, is that fixed for Lucid? | 23:26 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, not yet AFAIK | 23:26 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, is there a CK bug on that? | 23:26 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll check in a bit though. i know it's fixed in it | 23:26 |
| chrisccoulson | s/it/git | 23:26 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, yeah, there's a bug | 23:27 |
| DanEngholm | Posted and you're right. Seat = 'Seat4'. | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll just check my bug mail | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, cool. thats the issue | 23:27 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, sweet, please update bug #485586. and we should take that change into Lucid if it is safe | 23:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 485586 in policykit "PolicyKit: "Not Authorized to make changes"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485586 | 23:27 |
| DanEngholm | OK. Is the only fix now to get rid of .svn files from some director[y/ies]? | 23:27 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, yeah. i'll tell you which folder in a second | 23:28 |
| DanEngholm | OK. | 23:28 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, bug 478274 | 23:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 478274 in consolekit "cannot mount usb volumes: "Not authorized", after upgrade to Karmic" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478274 | 23:29 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, /etc/ConsoleKit/seats.d | 23:30 |
| bratsche | seb128: Sure. | 23:31 |
| seb128 | bratsche, thanks | 23:31 |
| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, you will need to restart afterwards (you could try just restarting consolekit, but I wouldn't really recommend that) | 23:32 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, nice work | 23:32 |
| bratsche | seb128: Already fixed in my next patch. | 23:32 |
| seb128 | bratsche, good I was wondering if that was the same issue you had yesterday | 23:33 |
| seb128 | bratsche, thanks | 23:33 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - OOI, did those gsd and gpm warnings in your xsession-errors go away with the latest versions? | 23:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, yes | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | cool,thanks | 23:39 |
| seb128 | "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed" | 23:39 |
| seb128 | still get that gsd one though | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i'm going to look at that one too | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i thought i'd fixed that | 23:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks to you for the fix ;-) | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | but it seems not ;) | 23:39 |
| seb128 | what gpm change do you work on? | 23:40 |
| seb128 | just asking because I'm wondering if we should upload the gpm icon fix | 23:40 |
| seb128 | it's easy enough... | 23:40 |
| chrisccoulson | the only other gpm change i'm looking at is gnome bug 609720 | 23:40 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 609720 in gnome-power-manager "Can sometimes miss idle reset alarm, causing display to blank when it shouldn't do" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609720 | 23:40 |
| chrisccoulson | but that's not ready yet, so we should upload the icon fix | 23:40 |
| chrisccoulson | btw, the nautilus icon has the same issue as the gpm one | 23:41 |
| seb128 | oh? | 23:43 |
| seb128 | that's weird | 23:43 |
| seb128 | bratsche, bug #527431 have you read the new comments about vmware? | 23:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527431 in gtk+2.0 "gtk_window_set_decorated(window, FALSE) does not work when called before showing the window" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527431 | 23:50 |
| seb128 | bratsche, we might want to make sure to test those before beta | 23:50 |
| DanEngholm | chrisccoulson: Thanks. I'm restarting now. Will BRB to let y'all know how it worked. | 23:50 |
| seb128 | ArneGoetje, bug #407300, does that break something? | 23:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407300 in ubuntu-translations "/etc/gdm/Xsession breaks LANGUAGE" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407300 | 23:51 |
| seb128 | not sure why you assigned it to the team now | 23:51 |
| seb128 | it has been sent upstream and with open questions | 23:52 |
| DanEngholm | Ahhhhhh..... All better. Thanks! | 23:56 |
| seb128 | good night everybody | 23:59 |
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