[02:37] <humphreybc-cell> dutchie godbyk, you guys find android wifi strength to be a bit crap?
[08:01] <humphreybc-cell> IlyaHaykinson: thanks for the testimonial! :)
[08:01] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc-cell
[08:01] <godbyk> My phone doesn't have any problems with the wireless Internet.
[08:01] <godbyk> (wifi, that is)
[08:02] <godbyk> it does kind of suck as a phone, though -- only because the cell coverage for my house is pretty poor at the moment.
[08:02] <humphreybc-cell> godbyk: cool
[08:02] <godbyk> (I'll be moving in a few months anyway, so I'm not overly concerned about it.)
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> My wifi is bad but 3g is terrible. 2kb/s no kidding
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> Ringing them tomorrow
[08:03] <humphreybc-cell> At the supermarket now though ttyl
[08:03] <godbyk> humphreybc-cell: 'kay.  see ya.
[08:07] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc-cell: yw
[08:21] <humphreybc> android guys:
[08:21] <humphreybc> settings > about phone > status > mobile network type
[08:21] <humphreybc> what does it say?
[08:31] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'm in the basement, so no signal at the moment. When I go upstairs, I'll try to remember to look for ya.
[08:32] <godbyk> humphreybc: Oh, hey, it just found signal.  Says EDGE.  (T-Mobile)
[08:32] <godbyk> I'm in a dead zone, though, so I'm not expecting to see much.
[08:42] <humphreybc> hmm
[08:42] <humphreybc> EDGE
[08:42] <humphreybc> mine says GPRS which is the slowest network ever
[08:42] <humphreybc> I expect it to say 3G or something, that's what my plan is
[08:42] <humphreybc> i think vodafone are being a pain
[08:42] <humphreybc> i'll have to ring them tomorrow
[08:43] <ziroday> if its 3G it should say UTMS or something similar IIRC
[08:46] <humphreybc> hm
[08:46] <humphreybc> i ran a speed test today from my mobile
[08:46] <humphreybc> not connected to wifi
[08:46] <humphreybc> first go said 33kbits/sec
[08:46] <humphreybc> second go said 16kbits/sec
[08:46] <humphreybc> 100kb download file took 25 and 48 secs in each test, respectively
[08:47] <humphreybc> that is ridiculously slow
[08:49] <humphreybc> everyone run http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed on their cellphones, 100k file :)
[08:52] <humphreybc> please :)
[08:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'll have to give that a shot when I'm not in my basement. :)
[09:05] <humphreybc> haha
[09:06] <humphreybc> you're not in your mum's basement are you..
[09:06] <godbyk> nope, my own. :)
[09:06] <humphreybc> that's good. are you married?
[09:06] <humphreybc> a mrs godbyk? haha
[09:07] <godbyk> nope, not married. enjoying the bachelor's life. :-)
[09:07] <humphreybc> fair enough!
[09:14] <humphreybc> anyone know how you can update the version of android on your phone prematurely (before the official release)
[09:15] <humphreybc> 2.1 is out and about, but not released for my phone till later this year
[09:15] <humphreybc> 2.1 has PDF support so i can read the manual...
[09:15] <humphreybc> but i'm still on 1.5
[09:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: what pdf support?
[09:19] <humphreybc> gah
[09:19] <humphreybc> http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=47360
[09:19] <humphreybc> seems to depend whether you're "with google" or HTC, or branded with vodafeon
[09:19] <humphreybc> vodafone
[09:19] <humphreybc> my magic is an "Vodafone Magic with Google"
[09:20] <godbyk> I have a Nexus One, so it as associated with Google as one can get. :)
[09:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: so what's the best pdf viewer for android 2.1?
[09:23] <godbyk> when I downloaded a pdf the other day is barked about not knowing about pdfs.
[09:36] <humphreybc> no idea
[09:37] <humphreybc> haven't tried any yet!
[09:37] <humphreybc> i read somewhere that 2.1 supported pdfs natively
[09:37] <humphreybc> dutchie: idea for manualbot: a !Google: command
[09:37] <humphreybc> native support in android would be nice
[09:38] <humphreybc> they should have native text, pdf and flac support imo
[09:38] <humphreybc> RAW files would be cool too
[09:39] <humphreybc> just because i have a DSLR
[09:46] <IlyaHaykinson> can someone pull & make? i am updating to texlive 2009, and that will take a while.
[09:46] <IlyaHaykinson> and i'm afraid i broken the build or whatnot
[09:50] <humphreybc> sure
[09:50] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Sure, one sec.
[09:51] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: \textbox should be \textfield.
[09:51] <humphreybc> what the hell, chrome
[09:51] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: In ./default-apps/readingcomposingemail.tex
[09:52] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: ok, fixing
[09:52] <IlyaHaykinson> pushed
[09:53] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: builds successfully now.
[09:53] <godbyk> How goes the TL2009 install?
[09:53] <humphreybc> anyone actually know how OpenID works?
[09:53] <humphreybc> I just enter in my email and then bam
[09:53] <humphreybc> or sometimes i just click "login" without entering in anything
[09:53] <godbyk> humphreybc: ?
[09:53] <humphreybc> okay no dont worry
[09:54] <godbyk> It's supposed to take a url
[09:54] <humphreybc> i do have to enter in my password at some point
[09:54] <godbyk> then it bounces you to that server and you tell that server your login credentials
[09:54] <godbyk> the server passes back data to the original site.
[09:54] <godbyk> so the original site never knows your username/password, just the openid url
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> thanks.
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> tl2009 - 0104/2020
[09:54] <humphreybc> godbyk: ah!
[09:54] <IlyaHaykinson> so still quite a ways to go. :)
[09:55] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: nice.  how much is it downloading? did you do the full install?
[09:55] <IlyaHaykinson> i just ran the script; i think it decided to do the full install.
[09:55] <IlyaHaykinson> maybe i missed an option, maybe i didn't -- either way i would have done the full install i guess
[09:55] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: gotcha.
[09:56] <IlyaHaykinson> downloading about 2GB
[09:59] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, i guess i'll leave it to it's downloading, and go to sleep. l8r folks
[10:04] <godbyk> See ya, IlyaHaykinson.
[10:34] <godbyk> Of course, humphreybc disappears just before I run his speed test. :-)
[19:45] <maiatoday> can anyone please tell me where to find out what else I need to apt-get besides groundcontrol
[19:47] <thorwil> maiatoday: what are you intending to do?
[19:47] <maiatoday> I just want to make the pdf from the code I got from bzr using groundcontrol
[19:48] <maiatoday> I don't have any LaTex installation, I read about the install.sh script which is updated but can't seem to find it
[19:48] <thorwil> maiatoday: let me dig a bit
[19:49] <maiatoday> is there a page on the wiki to read to say what you need to do to set everything up? make reports pdflatex command not found
[19:50] <thorwil> maiatoday: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00548.html
[19:51] <maiatoday> thorwil: thanks, I'll go read and come back when I'm lost again
[19:51] <thorwil> godbyk, godbyk-android: ^ that is still the most current info, right?
[19:56] <thorwil> maiatoday: a word of warning: the tex live 2009 default installation takes something like 2 GB disk space
[19:57] <maiatoday> thorwil: no problem enough disk space, I also found the prerequisites page on the wiki
[20:00] <thorwil> maiatoday: i was under the impression that the wiki still mentions ubuntu packages. sadly the tex live version in Karmic is not sufficient anymore
[20:01] <maiatoday> thorwil: I don't know how I got onto the prerequisites page, but maybe it is a good idea to have a link there from either FAQ or Technical help, I'll edit the wiki if that's ok?
[20:01] <thorwil> maiatoday: where's that  prerequisites page?
[20:01] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Prerequisites
[20:02] <maiatoday> oh now I remember I ran the script in pkgs and it sent me to the prerequisites page
[20:03] <thorwil> maiatoday: oh, if you could add a link to that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Help where it mentions a package, that would be great
[20:04] <maiatoday> okidoki
[20:07] <maiatoday> thorwil: the install_pkgs.sh script wants you to install LaTex2009 so is the package installation info on the help page still relevant. Can you still work on the project using the repository version of LaTex
[20:08] <thorwil> maiatoday: you can work on the project without latex, as you are not required to build the manual
[20:09] <thorwil> maiatoday: but if you want to build the manual, you need the 2009 version right from the source, no package
[23:14] <humphreybc> i'm giving a talk to my old school computer class about FLOSS and the projects i'm working on
[23:14] <humphreybc> what do you think i should definitely include?
[23:14] <humphreybc> i thought they'd be interested in launchpad, quickshot, ground control, latex, compiling in lots of languages and the google lunar x prize stuff (other things i work on)
[23:15] <dutchie> you are trying to land a probe on the moon?
[23:32] <humphreybc> maybe
[23:33] <dutchie> is it sekrit?
[23:33] <humphreybc> haha nope
[23:33] <humphreybc> www.lunarnumbat.org
[23:59] <humphreybc> right off to do my talk
[23:59] <humphreybc> later folks