[05:25] <Amaranth> seems my membership is about to expire and irc council has to redo it...
[05:25] <Flannel> jussi01: You need to renew me (and everyone else!)
[05:35] <Myrtti> well that's an anticlimax
[05:43] <syn-ack> Hey guys check out "nicker" in #ubuntu... seems to me that he's trying to find some passwords by merely cat'ing /passwd
[05:43] <syn-ack> methinks he's up to no good
[05:45] <Myrtti> it's not malicious
[05:46] <Myrtti> the passwords are hashed anyways
[05:46] <syn-ack> yeah sorry about that, just realised it
[05:46] <Flannel> /etc/passwd doesn't include password data (in any form) anyway
[05:46] <syn-ack> I know. I was gonna bring that up but I read scroll after the fact, sorry
[05:49] <maco2> jussi01: lp says its gonna expire me from kubuntu op'ing. can you renew me or whatever?
[05:50] <Madpilot> jussi01, same request as maco2, only WRT ubuntu channels - I sent an LP mail as well
[05:51] <Madpilot> I thought the LP side of IRC ops management was going to be self-renewal like Ubuntu Membership is?
[05:51] <Myrtti> it's a bug and shouldn't have happened
[05:52] <Myrtti> he'll be facepalming extensively when he gets to the computer
[05:53] <Madpilot> and buried under LP notifications, as team leader is CC'd to everything LP sends out AFAIK :)
[05:56] <tsimpson> Amaranth, Flannel, maco2, Madpilot: you should be able to self-renew, the email should give you a link to follow
[05:57] <Madpilot> tsimpson, doesn't seem to.
[05:57] <Madpilot> all four LP mails just say "Contact the team and/or team lead", basically
[05:58] <Madpilot> nothing on the teams pages either
[05:59] <tsimpson> *sigh* the settings are "invite them to apply for renewal", should be "invite them to renew their own membership"
[06:00] <tsimpson> jussi01: we need to change the settings on _all_ the groups as far as I can see
[06:29] <jussi01> oh for petes sake :(
[06:32] <mneptok> screw Pete. do it for us.
[06:40] <jussi01> Ok everyone, Im sorry about the screwup, but you should be able to now renew yourselves.
[06:40] <jussi01> Ill write the the ML also
[06:40] <Myrtti> now the question of course is, do I want to... *ponder*
[06:45] <Flannel> jussi01: I don't see a renewal doohickey anywhere
[06:47] <jussi01> Flannel: let me look at that. I changed all the teams to slef renew, wonder if I need to sort something else.
[07:07] <jussi01> ok, so you should all get renewal mail tomorrow.
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <jussi01> Hiya daniel.
[07:08] <dholbach> hey jussi
[07:24] <Myrtti> !staff | complaints about Mirc at #ubuntu, realname suspicious
[07:25] <Myrtti> (btw, should the s t a f f factoid include more nicknames?)
[07:27] <jussi01> probably, or different ones depending on who are the staff that like to hang here...
[07:35] <persia> I'm not sure the bot is smart enough, but could it do something like check the cloaks of channel members and highlight ones that match a filter?
[07:35] <persia> That would grab the right set for that particular call.  I'm less sure for other calls.
[07:36] <jussi01> persia: it isnt at the moment, but it could be... you are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-bots-devel and write the plugin :)
[07:36]  * persia has severe trouble with python
[07:36] <jussi01> :(
[07:37] <jussi01> that said, anyone who feels like contributing, feel free to join us there
[07:44] <elky> the factoids are at least to a degree opt-in
[07:44] <Myrtti> true
[07:45] <elky> if we start pinging every staff here, we might have less hang here
[07:45] <elky> anyway, hoooooooometime
[07:45] <Gary> hehe, I'm looking at Mirc, just /cycle'd the chans they are in, no spam
[07:45] <jussi01> hrm, but isnt that why staff hang here? to help us out when we need it?
[07:45] <Myrtti> Gary: that happens
[07:46] <Gary> I don't mind being pinged here
[07:47] <elky> jussi01, sure, but they don't necessarily want to be pinged by us. we are only one namespace afterall
[07:47] <Tm_T> Actually I think ops should have the ops call in hilight, so bot doesnt need to list all
[07:47] <Myrtti> Gary: I've tried /cycle and I never can replicate it. it might be that the bots have a ruleset that prevents them from spamming people with certain cloaks
[07:47] <persia> elky: Very good point.  automation is nifty keen, but programs don't tend to have a social understanding.
[07:48]  * elky mutters something about technical solutions to social problems ;)
[07:48] <Myrtti> Gary: m a r i e n z has experienced same
[07:48] <jussi01> Hang on, the staff here _are_ opt in, they idle here! why should they object to being pinged for staff issues?
[07:49] <jussi01> What is the point of them being here if they are not willing to respond if theres an issue?
[07:49] <elky> jussi01, they opt in to sitting here and watchign the dialog -- not to havign something ping them
[07:49] <elky> you can help without being summonsed
[07:50] <persia> jussi01: Think inclusivity in all things.  It will ultimately pay better dividends.
[07:50] <jussi01> persia: Im including them in the ping :P :P (sorry)
[07:50] <Gary> right, that user doesn't bother a non staff cloaked user either
[08:46] <Myrtti> Gary: [10:45] < bilboed-tp> could someone kick Mirc out of the channel ?
[09:10] <gord> jussi01, ping. On 2010-03-03, seven days from now, your membership in the #ubuntu-offtopic IRC Operators (irc-ubuntu-offtopic-ops) Launchpad team is due to expire.
[09:10] <Myrtti> gord: see the mailing list
[09:10] <Myrtti> gord: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-February/000933.html
[09:11] <Madpilot> gord, all will be self-renewing (like Ubuntu Membership) by tomorrow morning, apparently
[09:11] <Myrtti> Madpilot: self-renewable
[09:11] <Madpilot> right, what Myrtti said, which I meant. Really. ;)
[09:12]  * jussi01 grumbles at himself
[09:12] <Tm_T> =)
[09:13] <Myrtti> right, time to go to the city to meet the doctor and hear the verdict about my back
[09:17] <knome> jussio1, o/
[09:17] <jussi01> heya knome :)
[09:17] <jussi01> knome: so which chans are you an op in?
[09:18] <knome> #xubuntu only, afair
[09:18] <jussi01> ok, great
[09:19] <Tm_T> awwww
[09:19] <jussi01> knome: /cycle :)
[09:19] <Tm_T> knome: /bicycle
[09:19]  * Tm_T hides
[09:19] <knome> uh?
[09:19] <knome> :P
[09:19] <knome> that was a lousy one
[09:20] <Tm_T> what did you expect? (:
[09:20] <jussi01> knome: ops in the core chans (including #xubuntu) are expected to idle here :)
[09:20] <knome> oh yeah
[09:20] <knome> jussi01, again, nobody told me :P
[09:20] <jussi01> well now you know :)
[09:20] <knome> yup
[09:21] <knome> added to autojoin list
[09:21] <jussi01> syn-ack: was there something more you needed?
[09:21] <knome> what was the way to force somebody leave a chan without kicking?
[09:22] <jussi01> knome: remove
[09:22] <knome> also, how to add channel specific data into ubottu?
[09:22] <jussi01> knome: might be worth you reviewing these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[09:22] <jussi01> !bot
[09:22] <gord> Madpilot, Myrtti - ahh, thanks
[09:23] <knome> jussi01, i've read the bot info's, but have been unsuccessful
[09:23] <jussi01> knome: !factoid-#channel is <reply>blah
[09:24] <knome> jussi01, yeah. maybe i should try that again.
[09:27] <knome> jussi01, the info page doesn't really tell how to use the /remove command. just type it into the channel?
[09:27] <jussi01> /remove knome
[09:27] <knome> okay.
[09:28] <knome> umm....
[09:29] <knome> no, i'm clueless
[09:29] <knome> where do i type that?
[09:29] <Tm_T> in channel
[09:29] <Tm_T> /quote remove nick
[09:29] <gord> knome, same place you type everything on irc ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> in irssi, that is
[09:30] <jussi01> you need to be op in that channel first of course
[09:30] <jussi01> :D
[09:30] <knome> gord, 11:28 » Irssi: Unknown command: remove
[09:30] <knome> :P
[09:30] <Tm_T> actually, I have alias remove quote remove $C $0 :$1
[09:30] <Tm_T> knome: ^
[09:30] <knome> Tm_T, ta!
[09:30] <topyli> knome, go get some scripts that will do the footwork for you :)
[09:30] <Tm_T> topyli: alias!
[09:30] <topyli> good to know the actual commands too of course
[09:30] <gord> i use chanserv.py or whatever it was, it just saves my brain having to think about anything ever
[09:30] <knome> aliases are the best
[09:31] <topyli> which reminds me, i need to update my irssi aliases
[09:31]  * topyli awaits link from someone who already did :)
[09:34]  * knome started playing with remove on private channel
[09:35] <knome> accidentally kicked myself out
[09:35] <knome> :P
[09:35] <gord> i need some scripts for droid irc :( using actual computers is so 2009
[09:36] <knome> it's now 2010
[09:36] <knome> :P
[09:36] <knome> oh
[09:36] <knome> yeah
[09:36]  * knome slaps his forehead
[09:36] <knome> note to self: do not irc until you've been awake for at least an hour
[11:58] <jrib> jussi01: how do I actually renew my membirship to an op team?  the e-mail just says I should contact you or the council and I don't see an obvious way to renew it myself at https://edge.launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-ops
[11:59] <Madpilot> jrib, apparently that self-renew change is in-progress :)
[12:00] <jrib> oh I see, so jussi's e-mail was referring to a new e-mail that hasn't been sent yet :)
[12:01] <Madpilot> a new round of LP emails is supposed to go out soonish, I think
[12:01] <topyli> keep up! progress is swift, future technologies are already in use
[12:03] <Madpilot> have you been reading old technology publications again, topyli?
[12:05] <topyli> i admit i'm a bit behind on my todo list, perhaps the reading list is also affected!
[13:16] <Myrtti> !test
[14:03] <jpds> PS: archive.u.c is freaking out with OOo security update traffic.
[14:04] <jpds> Hit people on the head with books until they switch to a local mirror.
[14:05]  * gnomefreak uses gb* and seems to work fine. someone in +1 had said it was extreamly slow. i didnt see any OOo updates today
[14:05] <elky> aussie mirrors can be as much as 48hrs out of whack
[14:05] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj was the one that said it
[14:06] <elky> eww, they'e lapsed badly
[14:06] <elky> 1 week behind
[14:07] <elky> providing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors is accurate, of course.
[14:08]  * jpds hits elky on head with book.
[14:08] <jpds> ;)
[14:08] <jpds> God damn it.
[14:09] <elky> i'm pretty sure i already use internode mirrors, but i'm doubting given that page lists them as a week behind that they manage to trump the official mirror for much
[14:10] <jpds> elky: http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/project/trace/
[14:10] <Myrtti> fi. one is dead
[14:10] <Pici> The us archive mirror is horribly slow too
[14:10] <elky> jpds, then the launchpad thing is dreadfully incorrect
[14:11] <jpds> Pici: us.archive == London.
[14:12] <jpds> Pici: host us.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:12] <Pici> jpds: thats silly
[14:12] <jpds> Pici: No.
[14:12] <Pici> jpds: true, but silly.
[14:12] <jpds> Pici: Find me someone willing to pay for the transit and maintaince and I'll happily switch the DNS over. ;)
[14:13] <jpds> elky: "This mirror was last verified on 2010-02-22."
[14:15] <elky> 2 days out is still not going to serve a whole lot of benefit if people are scrambling to archive.u.c for updates that are there now
[14:15]  * Pici switches to RIT's mirror
[14:16] <gord> if you want the latest updates but want to get from canonical's servers if canonical has newer ones (highly likely if your local server sucks) then generally the best idea is to just put your local mirrors repos in your sources.list first, then the canonical ones after. it'll prefer the local ones unless the canonical ones have newer packages
[14:17] <elky> which after several days, is likely anyway
[14:17] <jpds> Myrtti: "nic.funet.fi has had a serious hardware failure".
[14:17] <elky> anyway, i need bed, ciao
[14:18] <Pici> nn elky
[14:21] <Myrtti> jpds: where did you get that info
[14:21] <jpds> Myrtti: My mirrors email.
[14:21] <Myrtti> oh
[14:22] <jpds> Myrtti: Flipping it to se.archive now.
[14:26] <gnomefreak> there should really be a link to use to re-up op memberships
[14:26] <gnomefreak> Pici: are you still IRCc?
[14:27] <jussi01> gnomefreak: he is.
[14:27] <jussi01> gnomefreak: did you not read the mail I sent?
[14:27] <gnomefreak> i rad it
[14:27] <gnomefreak> read
[14:28] <gnomefreak> it says to contact the council or you :)
[14:28] <jussi01> Particularly the first paragraph where it says there'll be a ne mail tomorrow?
[14:28] <jussi01> no.. the one on the -irc list
[14:28] <gnomefreak> ah didnt get that far in my folders sorry
[14:29] <gnomefreak> jussi01: ok maybe i didnt get it. i got the one that says you have to agree to the requirements
[14:30] <gnomefreak> i have been having issues with email the past 2 weeks so if it was prior to todays i didnt get it
[14:40] <jussi01> gnomefreak: thats the one.
[14:41] <jussi01> gnomefreak: My apologies about the slight mess up with the launchpad teams. I have fixed the issue and the people that know tell me you should all get some mail tomorrow allowing you to renew.
[14:42] <bazhang> jussi01, question about the irc operator guidelines wrt 'probation' ; is that for all starting now, or just new operators
[14:42] <jussi01> just new ones
[14:43] <bazhang> so will my being a newer op in #xubuntu be under said probation
[14:43] <jussi01> bazhang: no.
[14:43] <bazhang> jussi01, thanks
[14:43] <jussi01> its for people who are not ops already
[14:44] <Myrtti> "you've not screwed up badly in the past, we hope you wont in the future"
[14:48]  * Pici is done screwing up the topic
[14:48] <Myrtti> there, there. Have a cookie.
[14:49] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks
[14:58] <bazhang> whoa in his quit message no less
[14:58] <gnomefreak> did the updated auto_bleh script get finished? i dont recall who was going to work on it
[15:01] <jussi01> gnomefreak: ikonia mentioned that he was, but you may want to ask if theres a copy in #freenode cause staff said they might do it
[15:01] <gnomefreak> jussi01: k thanks
[15:21] <jpds> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/
[15:21] <Pici> mmmmm munin
[15:22] <Myrtti> purty colours
[15:24] <Pici> O
[15:24] <Pici> er, I'm not sure if I shared it here, but I recently started to graph some IRC related stuff using munin: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/index.html#irc
[15:24] <jpds> Pici: Holy crap.
[15:24] <jpds> Pici: I was thinking about doing that a couple of days ago.
[15:25] <Pici> :D
[15:25] <Myrtti> so the population low point is ... are those times in UTC?
[15:26] <Pici> Myrtti: No, EST. UTC-5
[15:26] <Myrtti> aw, now you're making it difficul
[15:26] <Myrtti> t
[15:26] <Pici> Low point is ~7am UTC
[15:27] <Myrtti> so UTC+2 + UTC-5 makes it...
[15:27] <Myrtti> ah ok
[15:28] <Pici> I'd like to graph out our bans and related stuff too, but that'll take more work.
[16:01] <Pici> Okay... not that much more work.
[16:02] <Madpilot> can you plot "bans vs phase of moon" for us?
[16:02] <Madpilot> just to settle the old full moon == lunacy thing?
[16:02] <Madpilot> :)
[16:03] <Pici> That wouldn't be too difficult.
[16:03] <Myrtti> I wonder if there's somewhere also a list of school holidays
[16:04] <Madpilot> that could get long very quickly
[16:42] <Tm_T> oh, meeting this sunday
[16:43] <knome> which meeting? :P
[16:44] <Tm_T> ubuntu-irc
[16:44] <Tm_T> that means us, dear chilf
[16:44] <Tm_T> child :-P
[16:44] <knome> eh
[16:44] <knome> what time?
[16:44] <Tm_T> knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[16:45] <Tm_T> knome: also you might find #ubuntu-irc useful
[16:45] <knome> yay, extended cloaks!
[16:45] <Pici> Well, its the IRCC meeting, not every operator is required to attend.
[16:46] <Tm_T> Pici: true that, but I always see those as whole team meetings (:
[16:46] <knome> transparency + involving whole community are ++
[16:46] <Tm_T> yes
[17:50] <Guest18684> hi, i've been banned on #kubuntu, not sure why. Could someone please remove the ban or help me with a question?
[17:51] <Guest18684> i was banned before i ever said anything, i didn't act out of line or anything.. but i am connectin through a webchat interface
[17:51] <Pici> Guest18684: The topic in #kubuntu-proxy-users asks you to not change your nick... which you did.
[17:52] <Pici> Guest18684: If you part #kubuntu and #kubuntu-proxy-users, change your nick to something else, and then attempt to rejoin #kubuntu, you should be okay.
[17:52] <Pici> or just stay as Guest18684
[17:52] <Guest18684> Pici:  i did not see that and I wasn't aware that help was a registered nick
[17:52] <Guest18684> ok, will do
[17:54] <Guest18684> pici i must be blind but i do not see a mention about nickchange in the proxy-users channel. Maybe it should be added?
[17:55] <Guest18684> im off now. :) thanks :) I'll be back if it doesn't work
[17:55] <Pici> I'll take a look
[17:59] <Pici> Hrm.  I thought that the message in -proxy-users said something about changing your nick, but I don't see it now.
[18:26] <jpds> jussi01: Hi.
[18:26] <jpds> jussi01: Please extend my membership on all of my 0ps teams.
[18:27] <Myrtti> jpds: lolol
[18:37] <jussi01> jpds: I guessing 1 of 3 things in order from most likely to least likely... 1. you are playing with me, 2. you didnt read the other emails in your inbox. (properly) 3. you arent subscribed to -irc
[18:38]  * jpds reads -irc.
[18:38] <jpds> jussi01: Righto.
[18:38] <jpds> Thanks.
[18:38] <jussi01> :)
[18:39] <jussi01> jpds: I have been pinged about that like 100 times today... :D
[18:56] <Mamarok> jussi01: that's the price to pay for fame :)
[21:32] <jrib> ...
[21:33] <topyli> "kk is an abbreviation of ok"
[21:33] <jrib> ok is an abbreviation of okay
[21:33] <jrib> okay is an abbreviation of okey-doke
[21:37] <Mamarok> why would a two letter word be an abbreviation of another two letter word? Makes no sense...
[23:23] <ikonia> whos edmundo_barbosa ?