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rr_lapwhen did they start rebuilding desktop isos?02:33
aragood morning all!06:17
* ara resyncs and goes for some breakfast06:18
arahey dpm :)07:57
dpmhey ara07:57
araI am ISO testing pre Alpha 307:57
araI installed in Spanish, and everything (but the usual non translated yet strings) is in Spanish, but Firefox07:57
arafirefox remains completely in English07:57
arais this a known issue?07:58
ara(I remember filing a bug for Karmic on the same issue)07:58
dpmnot that I knew of, my FF is currently localized07:58
aradpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/43939207:58
ubot4Launchpad bug 439392 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "After an installation of Karmic beta in Spanish, firefox is not localized in Spanish (affects: 5)" [Undecided,Invalid]07:58
aradpm, that bus the bug I got in Karmic07:58
arait was changed to Ubuntu translations, hence the invalid from ubot407:58
arawhich package do you think worth filing the bug again? ubiquity? firefox? translations? non of the above? :)07:59
dpmara, Firefox + a bug task on ubuntu-translations07:59
aradpm, ok, will do :) thanks!08:00
pittio/08:08
arahey pitti08:09
thekorngood morning!08:12
* thekorn is syncing UNE, but it is slooooooow08:12
pittithekorn: UNE is currently heavily oversized08:14
pittiI uploaded a fix already, being published now08:14
pittiI'll respin in 45 minutes08:14
thekornpitti, ok, so I guess I'll just wait for the new isos08:15
aradpm, http://launchpad.net/bugs/52689708:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 526897 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Alfter an installation of Lucid pre-Alpha3 in Spanish, firefox is completely in English (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]08:48
davmor2Morning all09:02
pittio/hey davmor209:05
davmor2pitti: how the iso's stacking up this morning?09:05
pittihaven't taken a look into results yet09:06
pittiI'm going to rebuild netbook (oversized), and re-post armel once they finish building09:06
dpmthanks ara!09:07
aradpm, np09:07
aramorning davmor209:07
aradavmor2, you can check http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3657/5 for some possible duplicates you may find09:09
dpmara, ok, just blogged on http://tinyurl.com/yhkrmcz, I hope this helps getting some people interested in testing, not only translators09:09
aradpm, thanks!09:09
aradpm, excellent post! Thanks!09:10
dpmara, glad you like it, thanks :)09:11
davmor2ara: does that mean the issues from yesterday are all over ;)09:12
aradavmor2, mmm, it was desktop, so I can't tell09:13
davmor2np's09:14
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thekornpitti, is UNE 20100224.1 todays iso, or will there be another respin today, it is still oversized10:05
arathekorn, he's working on that (I think)10:16
thekornokidoki10:16
arathekorn, you will need to wait a bit longer :(10:16
thekornthat's not a big problem ;)10:18
pittithekorn: I know, I'm investigating; I'm quite stunned why it is10:24
pittiI'll respin10:24
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dpmara, my first test on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3657/440 failed as well, and I didn't even get the language packs to install. I was bitten by bug 52658111:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 526581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubi-migrationassistant fails w/exit code 141 (affects: 1)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52658111:05
dpmI tried a second time, and I got the ubi-migrationassistant error further in the installation process, so that langpacks were installed.11:05
aradpm, nice, I think ev and cjwatson are already looking into it11:05
dpmThat time after restarting everything is localized, so I'm not sure if the Firefox bug is a real problem or simply a consequence of the ubiquity one11:06
dpmcool11:06
dpmara, Is it possible to post one than one result per person for a given test case?11:06
dpmor are you not supposed to do that11:06
dpm?11:06
aradpm, you mean, more than one?11:06
arawhat do you mean11:07
* davmor2 will hopefully do some testing if work doesn't keep getting in the way :)11:07
dpmif you run a test case 2 times,11:07
araI am not following you11:07
dpmand the first one fails in one way11:07
dpmand the other one in another11:07
arahow can that be? :)11:07
* dpm gets it now11:07
dpm:)11:08
davmor2ara: was your fail again another linux install?11:08
araI am not following you guys11:09
* ara is still sleepy or something11:09
davmor2ara: your m-a fail was it against another linux install?  I'm wondering if I should try it against windows?11:10
aradavmor2, ah, ok, yes, it was against linux11:11
aradavmor2, but, ubi-migrationassistant seems to be failing all the time11:11
dpmara, I tried the same test case twice, the same time in Catalan and the second one in German. 1. The first result (Catalan) was a total fail: language packs were not installed due to the bug above. 1. The second result (German) worked well translationswise (language packs were installed), but got bitten by the same ubiquity bug. I just reported on 1. on the ISO Tracker11:12
dpmI was just not sure what to do in these cases11:12
dpmbut I guess I'm just suposed to test in one language11:13
dpmotherwise the test case would be too flexible, I guess11:13
aradpm, it is an ISO tracker limitation, I am afraid11:13
aradpm, but, you can add some comments to your report in the ISO tracker and the bug report11:13
dpmara, np, just curious on how all this works11:13
davmor2ara: cool in that case I'll confirm it again MS11:13
dpmyeah, will do, thanks11:13
* persia thinks there is value in testing in multiple languages, but that one can't necessarily expect the same behaviour in each language, so verification should be done in the language for which the issue was discovered.11:14
* ara agrees11:15
davmor2persia: if I ever get change I'll learn another language honest ;)11:16
persiadavmor2: Why do you need to learn a language to test it?  Have you not memorised how stuff works yet?11:17
persiaOne of my laptops is in Japanese, which I can't read (but would like to learn), but this does mean I end up discovering bugs with mutibyte easily.11:17
davmor2persia: cause you can't read the error message that get displayed :)11:17
persiadavmor2: So?  You can cut & paste, right?11:18
persiaAnd you can grep it against a po file, right?11:18
davmor2:)11:18
persiaThis is the benefit of UTF8 :)11:18
davmor2persia: just lost davmor2  you maybe have to teach me this skill someday didn't even know about it :)11:19
persiadpm: can probably suggest lots of other ways to interpret issues discovered in completely unknown languages.11:19
davmor2persia: not today though too much going on11:19
araI can install Ubuntu in arabic with no issues :D11:19
persiadavmor2: OK.  When there's not a milestone, and you're just doing smoke testing, let me know, and we'll try to get an error in some language you don't know.11:19
persiaI personally use english, russian, japanese, and arabic as a good set of tests to see different layouts and issues (russian has a primarily non-ascii character set and quickly finds unicode issues, arabic is good for bindirectional layout issues, and japanese is good for multibyte).11:21
arapersia, do you have a fan club in launchpad? I might create one11:22
persiaI don't know of one.11:22
dpmdavmor2, you can test without having to learn another language, the test case on http://tinyurl.com/ydz2xor has everything translated in Japanese, Chinese and Korean, you can be their next hero testing Ubuntu in their language :-)11:23
persiaCJK is definitely a good non-english test, as it's multibyte, which catches lots of layout issues.11:23
davmor2we don't just test the install though :)11:24
aradpm, now I was hit by the bug of non installing any of the language packages11:24
aradpm, using alternate11:24
aradpm, so it seems that it is not releated to the ubiquity one :-\11:25
* ara is confused11:25
dpmdavmor2, I know you guys are doing a rocking job in several areas, not just the installer :-)11:25
dpmara, the install, I meant11:26
dpmsorry, typed too fast, did not want to ping Ara11:27
* ara looks in the logs to see what went wrong with lang packages11:27
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pittithekorn, davmor2, ara: seems that the netbook overflow is quite tricky, not clear yet what causes it (the original uubuntuone music store bug has been fixed, but that "only" bought us 15 MB)11:48
arapitti, OK, thanks for the update11:49
pittithekorn, davmor2, ara: I think I add those to the tracker now, needs an USB stick then11:49
pitti*shrug*11:49
davmor2:)11:49
thekornpitti, ok11:49
thekornwill sync the source now and start a lice session test11:50
thekorns/lice/live11:50
pittithanks11:51
davmor2ara: on live cd do you get a popup windows saying there is media with software on it?11:55
aradavmor2, yes, and that it is reported, let me find the bug for you11:55
davmor2ara: I wrote a bug for alpha 211:56
aradavmor2, dholbach wrote one as well11:56
Davieydavmor2: writing bugs is bad, bad, bad11:57
* davmor2 slaps Daviey and reminds him without it you wouldn't know what to fix :P11:58
aradpm, the reason why Catalan and, in my case, Spanish alternate is in English, is because the spanish mirror is down, and those languages are not in the CDs12:05
aradpm, it is not related to the ubiquity bug12:05
arapersia, still around?12:07
persiaWhat's up?12:09
persiaWell, I was headed off for a bit, and won't be held by a pending response.  I'll read backscroll.12:13
dpmara, yeah, I've had some problems with the main es mirror lately, thanks for the update12:15
arapersia, don't worry I sorted it out12:16
aradpm, I thought the Spanish lang packs were in the alt cd, as the blueprint says, but apparently, they are not12:17
arapersia, if there are at least 8 Spanish mirrors, why is that es.archive fails all the time? do you know the logic behind it?12:17
dpmara, they might have been taken out lately due to space. The final list of languages in the CD is not stable until around beta time, IIRC. I'll update the info on the blueprint12:21
aradpm, thanks12:22
davmor2ara: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/52043812:22
ubot4Launchpad bug 520438 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Update notifier is triggered on livecd saying the is a disc with updates (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]12:22
davmor2found it at last :)12:22
aradavmor2, I will try to find the other one to mark it as duplicated12:24
dpmara, it seems that there are no language packs at all on the alternate CD right now, only English12:25
aradpm, is that expected?12:25
aradavmor2, bug 52086812:25
ubot4Launchpad bug 520868 in casper (Ubuntu) "jockey and update-manager start in live session (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52086812:25
aradavmor2, can you mark yours as duplicated of this one? I know that yours is older, but this one has 3 metoos and it is confirmed12:25
dpmara, I guess the langpacks on the alternate CD might have been taken out due to space constraints and will be put back in later, but I'm not too familiar with the alternate CD, pitti, do you think this could be the case?12:27
davmor2ara: I wouldn't mind but you'd think mr holbach would know not to put 2 conditions on one bug ;)12:29
abe3khello12:37
davmor2abe3k: hello12:39
arahello abe3k12:43
* ara -> lunch12:43
ttxtesting server/amd64/UEC cluster13:01
thekorntesting UNE live session13:05
thekornwaht is the name of the package which provides the very first sreen when you boot from a cd? (where you can choose "Try Ubuntu ... without installing", "test memory", ...)13:07
ttxtesting server/amd64/UEC node13:07
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ttxtesting server/amd64/UEC instance run13:15
pittidpm: correct, we just have English on the alternates right now13:17
dpmok, thanks pitti13:40
thekornwhich netbook-launcher is the default in current UNE?13:46
thekornthe old one, or the new -efl (or whatever) ?13:46
araefl?13:47
thekornara, I have netbook-launcher and netbook-launcher-efl, both available in the live session, netbook-launcher is running13:49
thekornand I thought I've read in a blogpost that -efl will replace the old one, but I might be wrong13:50
thekornoh, maybe I mixed it with ARM devices13:50
aramaybe plars knows better?13:53
araor as at  #ubuntu-desktop13:53
araask, even13:53
davmor2morning fader_ cr313:57
fader_davmor2: Hey dude13:58
davmor2ara: did you have any issue on live with there being no way to complete the shutdown?13:58
aradavmor2, haven't tried13:59
araprimes2h1, if the laptop testing project is dead, my suggestion is: 1) Moving old content to LaptopTestingProject/Old 2) Setting up a new LaptopTestingProject saying: if you are looking to the Canonical project, this was finished around 2005. You can check the old documentation at.... A new community driven project has been created, and you can check the documentation at... (and point to yours)14:06
primes2h1ara: That's really nice. You mean LaptopTestingTeam->LaptopTestingTeam/Old  page I think. I'll do it ASAP.14:08
plarsthebwt: depends which arch you are running on14:16
arathekorn, ^14:17
plarsthebwt: sorry, misfire14:17
plarsthekorn: for armel, it uses the 2d efl launcher, x86 uses the 3d (clutter based) launcher14:17
thekornplars, already asked the question in -desktop, I now know it depends on the 2d/3d hardware14:18
thekornplars, thanks for your answer anyway14:18
thekornara, is there any criteria for marking a test as "passed" or "failed", is it the number/importance of reported/linked bugs, or is it just personal feeling14:54
arathekorn, normally, failed means that you couldn't install the system: partman failed, grub failed, things like that14:55
thekornah ok, so when runnin a live test, like http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/UNR-Live and all testcases work fine, "passed" is the right one to choose14:57
thekornno matter how many "unrelated" bugs I found during the tests14:58
thekornara, let's say I would like to add a "Install (manual partitioning)" testcase to UNE, what is the procedure?15:03
arathekorn, that depends on the release team, if they want to add them15:04
arathekorn, take into account that if the are there, they need to be covered15:04
aratalk to slangasek, to see if he thinks it is worth adding such a case15:06
thekornara, I thought about this a bit, and I don't think it makes sense at all, as there is nothing UNE specific, this will all be covered by the reletad ubuntu tests15:14
pittiANNOUNCE16:26
pittijust to let you know, we got some ubiquity fixes16:26
pittiI'm goign to rebuild all ubuntu/kubunt/netbook images in half an hour16:27
pittialternates and servers will stay for now16:27
davmor2pitti: :)16:28
charlie-tcayay16:28
davmor2just as I get through looking at this first test :)16:28
pittiwell, those were important, to catch the bugs in the first place :)16:29
* pitti hugs the testing rockers16:29
charlie-tcaI got a bad connection today. just getting them rsynced here16:29
pittithat's fine, the next set should just drop 40 MB off the netbook CD and get a new ubiquity16:30
charlie-tcaAre you rebuilding xubuntu too?16:30
pitticharlie-tca: I planned to, shouldn't I?16:31
charlie-tcasure16:32
pittiI planned rebuilds across the board16:32
charlie-tcaThanks16:32
aradavmor2, can you test something quickly on real HW?16:36
davmor2go on16:36
aradavmor2, kubuntu desktop, clicking on "Install Kubuntu" (without passing by the live env)16:37
aradavmor2, does it start correctly for you?16:37
davmor2might take a minute or 216:38
davmor2ara: running now16:43
aradavmor2, at it starts ubiquity correctly?16:45
davmor2ara: nope blank screen after the plymouth logo disappears16:46
aradavmor2, same thing...16:48
davmor2bug 52648616:49
ubot4Launchpad bug 526486 in casper (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity not starting in kubuntu install only mode (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52648616:49
davmor2from Riddell16:49
aradavmor2, okeeey16:50
davmor2bladernr_: beard = external memory storage device,  bigger the beard the more memory ;)17:47
davmor2I'm sure cr3 will concur17:47
fader_davmor2: But it's only useful for remembering what you ate recently17:49
bladernr_davmor2:  hah! indeed. also a survival tool (prevents starvation)17:52
fader_hggdh: Looks like the desktop images are being rebuilt right now, so it's probably worth waiting a little while to try out the amd64 image18:05
fader_hggdh: Unless you were still having problems with ubuntu-server18:05
hggdhfader_: I will wait a bit18:17
hggdhthank you18:17
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persiaara: Sorry for the delay: I don't know much about the mirrors,; but usually ask in #ubuntu-mirrors: it may be that one of them is having an issue that needs that sysadmin to help.19:05
fader_hggdh: FYI, live image of amd64 booted just fine for me in KVM.  Doing an install now.19:57
hggdhfader_: hum. weird (or it is personal, Murphy kicking me)19:58
fader_hggdh: There is an init script that says "while (username=='hggdh') { ; }"19:59
hggdhthere you go ;-)20:03
charlie-tcahmmm, my monitor still shuts off instead of using plymouth20:06
charlie-tcaI did an encrypted install, and have to type with the monitor off, to input the passphrase!20:07
alex-weejanyone here do mac testing?20:21
fader_alex-weej: What sort of mac testing?20:51
alex-weejextensive checking of regressions etc.20:51
alex-weeji don't know anyone with a mac where everything works20:51
alex-weejand i know a lot of people with macs!20:51
alex-weejso i'm thinking we're somewhat underrepresented in terms of testing20:52
persiaalex-weej: Do you mean powerpc, or just Apple-branded?20:53
alex-weejintel macs20:54
persiaExcept for use of EFI, those ought be the same, and one usually doesn't notice the EFI, so I think you're mostly looking at kernel and video driver bugs.20:55
persiaMy recommendation would be to test and file the bugs.  regular milestone testing isn't going to help for that class of issue.20:55
persiaSo it's better to run a rolling-upgade install, and report lots of new bugs whenever there is an X or kernel update.20:56
persiaAnd maybe perform an install once in a while, but that's unlikely to break.20:56
fader_hggdh: amd64 boots fine after install in kvm for me21:02
hggdhdammit21:02
hggdhfader_: you ran it via testdrive?21:02
fader_hggdh: No, I ran it by installing manually from an ISO I zsync'd just a bit ago21:03
fader_But the effect *should* be the same, I think21:03
hggdhYeah. I will try it again (but now off testdrive)21:03
fader_Anybody having problems running ubiquity directly from the boot menu on the CD?22:48
fader_mythbuntu is going to the live environment when I choose 'install mythbuntu'22:49
fader_Ah, nevermind -- I/O error on my USB drive of CD images :(22:52
fader_Lousy hardware... software would be much better if it didn't have to interact with hardware22:53
* stgraber updated the list of tests for Edubuntu (we only have a GUI installer now)23:16
rr73i am/was testing xubuntu 386 desktop install and the software center bug 523341 came up and it says it was fixed yesterday23:32
rr73testing on hardware23:32
fader_rr73: It's possible that the fix has been released but didn't make it into the image yet23:36
fader_In which case I'd expect it to be fixed in tomorrow's daily build23:37
fader_But I'm just guessing23:37
rr73i'm asking cause they just rebuilt the xubuntu's images today23:37
yotuxWhat is the best way to help with testing I noticed alpha three comes out tomorrow23:39
fader_rr73: Can you verify that you're using >= 1.1.13 of the software center?23:39
rr73fader_, gimme a sec23:39
rr73eeeeerrrrrrrr it says .12 not .1323:40
rr73but that's what the image gave me, so don't worry about it then?23:40
fader_rr73: Yep, it looks like .13 didn't make it into the daily build today23:41
fader_So I wouldn't worry about it; the fix should be in a new daily build soon23:41
rr73yup, that's what slangasek just said23:41
fader_yotux: Right now we're still doing ISO testing.  If you're interested in helping test images for alpha 3, that would be great!23:42
rr73ty fader_23:42
fader_rr73: No problem; thanks for testing! :D23:42
fader_yotux: If you want to do ISO testing you'll need to create an account on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com23:42
fader_There's more info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures23:43
fader_yotux: Please also feel free to join the QA mailing list, where we discuss what to test and how to test it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa23:43
yotuxfaber_  is this a high volume list I assume23:44
yotuxwhen do the ISO's drop ?23:44
fader_yotux: No, it's not particularly high volume23:46
fader_The ISOs are posted now, and are candidates for Alpha 3 images23:46
fader_So they desperately need testing :)23:46
yotuxok I will read about rsyncing and then give it a try23:49
rr73or zsync23:49
fader_yotux: Feel free to ask here if you have any questions23:51
yotuxfader_ I want to do a Alt CD install test what is the most helpful for the group  was thinking "AlternateEncryptedLvm"23:58
fader_yotux: Looks good; I don't see any results for that test case yet23:59

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