[02:33] <rr_lap> when did they start rebuilding desktop isos?
[06:17] <ara> good morning all!
[06:18]  * ara resyncs and goes for some breakfast
[07:57] <ara> hey dpm :)
[07:57] <dpm> hey ara
[07:57] <ara> I am ISO testing pre Alpha 3
[07:57] <ara> I installed in Spanish, and everything (but the usual non translated yet strings) is in Spanish, but Firefox
[07:57] <ara> firefox remains completely in English
[07:58] <ara> is this a known issue?
[07:58] <ara> (I remember filing a bug for Karmic on the same issue)
[07:58] <dpm> not that I knew of, my FF is currently localized
[07:58] <ara> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/439392
[07:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 439392 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "After an installation of Karmic beta in Spanish, firefox is not localized in Spanish (affects: 5)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[07:58] <ara> dpm, that bus the bug I got in Karmic
[07:58] <ara> it was changed to Ubuntu translations, hence the invalid from ubot4
[07:59] <ara> which package do you think worth filing the bug again? ubiquity? firefox? translations? non of the above? :)
[07:59] <dpm> ara, Firefox + a bug task on ubuntu-translations
[08:00] <ara> dpm, ok, will do :) thanks!
[08:08] <pitti> o/
[08:09] <ara> hey pitti
[08:12] <thekorn> good morning!
[08:12]  * thekorn is syncing UNE, but it is slooooooow
[08:14] <pitti> thekorn: UNE is currently heavily oversized
[08:14] <pitti> I uploaded a fix already, being published now
[08:14] <pitti> I'll respin in 45 minutes
[08:15] <thekorn> pitti, ok, so I guess I'll just wait for the new isos
[08:48] <ara> dpm, http://launchpad.net/bugs/526897
[08:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526897 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Alfter an installation of Lucid pre-Alpha3 in Spanish, firefox is completely in English (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[09:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <pitti> o/hey davmor2
[09:05] <davmor2> pitti: how the iso's stacking up this morning?
[09:06] <pitti> haven't taken a look into results yet
[09:06] <pitti> I'm going to rebuild netbook (oversized), and re-post armel once they finish building
[09:07] <dpm> thanks ara!
[09:07] <ara> dpm, np
[09:07] <ara> morning davmor2
[09:09] <ara> davmor2, you can check http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3657/5 for some possible duplicates you may find
[09:09] <dpm> ara, ok, just blogged on http://tinyurl.com/yhkrmcz, I hope this helps getting some people interested in testing, not only translators
[09:09] <ara> dpm, thanks!
[09:10] <ara> dpm, excellent post! Thanks!
[09:11] <dpm> ara, glad you like it, thanks :)
[09:12] <davmor2> ara: does that mean the issues from yesterday are all over ;)
[09:13] <ara> davmor2, mmm, it was desktop, so I can't tell
[09:14] <davmor2> np's
[10:05] <thekorn> pitti, is UNE 20100224.1 todays iso, or will there be another respin today, it is still oversized
[10:16] <ara> thekorn, he's working on that (I think)
[10:16] <thekorn> okidoki
[10:16] <ara> thekorn, you will need to wait a bit longer :(
[10:18] <thekorn> that's not a big problem ;)
[10:24] <pitti> thekorn: I know, I'm investigating; I'm quite stunned why it is
[10:24] <pitti> I'll respin
[11:05] <dpm> ara, my first test on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3657/440 failed as well, and I didn't even get the language packs to install. I was bitten by bug 526581
[11:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubi-migrationassistant fails w/exit code 141 (affects: 1)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526581
[11:05] <dpm> I tried a second time, and I got the ubi-migrationassistant error further in the installation process, so that langpacks were installed.
[11:05] <ara> dpm, nice, I think ev and cjwatson are already looking into it
[11:06] <dpm> That time after restarting everything is localized, so I'm not sure if the Firefox bug is a real problem or simply a consequence of the ubiquity one
[11:06] <dpm> cool
[11:06] <dpm> ara, Is it possible to post one than one result per person for a given test case?
[11:06] <dpm> or are you not supposed to do that
[11:06] <dpm> ?
[11:06] <ara> dpm, you mean, more than one?
[11:07] <ara> what do you mean
[11:07]  * davmor2 will hopefully do some testing if work doesn't keep getting in the way :)
[11:07] <dpm> if you run a test case 2 times,
[11:07] <ara> I am not following you
[11:07] <dpm> and the first one fails in one way
[11:07] <dpm> and the other one in another
[11:07] <ara> how can that be? :)
[11:07]  * dpm gets it now
[11:08] <dpm> :)
[11:08] <davmor2> ara: was your fail again another linux install?
[11:09] <ara> I am not following you guys
[11:09]  * ara is still sleepy or something
[11:10] <davmor2> ara: your m-a fail was it against another linux install?  I'm wondering if I should try it against windows?
[11:11] <ara> davmor2, ah, ok, yes, it was against linux
[11:11] <ara> davmor2, but, ubi-migrationassistant seems to be failing all the time
[11:12] <dpm> ara, I tried the same test case twice, the same time in Catalan and the second one in German. 1. The first result (Catalan) was a total fail: language packs were not installed due to the bug above. 1. The second result (German) worked well translationswise (language packs were installed), but got bitten by the same ubiquity bug. I just reported on 1. on the ISO Tracker
[11:12] <dpm> I was just not sure what to do in these cases
[11:13] <dpm> but I guess I'm just suposed to test in one language
[11:13] <dpm> otherwise the test case would be too flexible, I guess
[11:13] <ara> dpm, it is an ISO tracker limitation, I am afraid
[11:13] <ara> dpm, but, you can add some comments to your report in the ISO tracker and the bug report
[11:13] <dpm> ara, np, just curious on how all this works
[11:13] <davmor2> ara: cool in that case I'll confirm it again MS
[11:13] <dpm> yeah, will do, thanks
[11:14]  * persia thinks there is value in testing in multiple languages, but that one can't necessarily expect the same behaviour in each language, so verification should be done in the language for which the issue was discovered.
[11:15]  * ara agrees
[11:16] <davmor2> persia: if I ever get change I'll learn another language honest ;)
[11:17] <persia> davmor2: Why do you need to learn a language to test it?  Have you not memorised how stuff works yet?
[11:17] <persia> One of my laptops is in Japanese, which I can't read (but would like to learn), but this does mean I end up discovering bugs with mutibyte easily.
[11:17] <davmor2> persia: cause you can't read the error message that get displayed :)
[11:18] <persia> davmor2: So?  You can cut & paste, right?
[11:18] <persia> And you can grep it against a po file, right?
[11:18] <davmor2> :)
[11:18] <persia> This is the benefit of UTF8 :)
[11:19] <davmor2> persia: just lost davmor2  you maybe have to teach me this skill someday didn't even know about it :)
[11:19] <persia> dpm: can probably suggest lots of other ways to interpret issues discovered in completely unknown languages.
[11:19] <davmor2> persia: not today though too much going on
[11:19] <ara> I can install Ubuntu in arabic with no issues :D
[11:19] <persia> davmor2: OK.  When there's not a milestone, and you're just doing smoke testing, let me know, and we'll try to get an error in some language you don't know.
[11:21] <persia> I personally use english, russian, japanese, and arabic as a good set of tests to see different layouts and issues (russian has a primarily non-ascii character set and quickly finds unicode issues, arabic is good for bindirectional layout issues, and japanese is good for multibyte).
[11:22] <ara> persia, do you have a fan club in launchpad? I might create one
[11:22] <persia> I don't know of one.
[11:23] <dpm> davmor2, you can test without having to learn another language, the test case on http://tinyurl.com/ydz2xor has everything translated in Japanese, Chinese and Korean, you can be their next hero testing Ubuntu in their language :-)
[11:23] <persia> CJK is definitely a good non-english test, as it's multibyte, which catches lots of layout issues.
[11:24] <davmor2> we don't just test the install though :)
[11:24] <ara> dpm, now I was hit by the bug of non installing any of the language packages
[11:24] <ara> dpm, using alternate
[11:25] <ara> dpm, so it seems that it is not releated to the ubiquity one :-\
[11:25]  * ara is confused
[11:25] <dpm> davmor2, I know you guys are doing a rocking job in several areas, not just the installer :-)
[11:26] <dpm> ara, the install, I meant
[11:27] <dpm> sorry, typed too fast, did not want to ping Ara
[11:27]  * ara looks in the logs to see what went wrong with lang packages
[11:48] <pitti> thekorn, davmor2, ara: seems that the netbook overflow is quite tricky, not clear yet what causes it (the original uubuntuone music store bug has been fixed, but that "only" bought us 15 MB)
[11:49] <ara> pitti, OK, thanks for the update
[11:49] <pitti> thekorn, davmor2, ara: I think I add those to the tracker now, needs an USB stick then
[11:49] <pitti> *shrug*
[11:49] <davmor2> :)
[11:49] <thekorn> pitti, ok
[11:50] <thekorn> will sync the source now and start a lice session test
[11:50] <thekorn> s/lice/live
[11:51] <pitti> thanks
[11:55] <davmor2> ara: on live cd do you get a popup windows saying there is media with software on it?
[11:55] <ara> davmor2, yes, and that it is reported, let me find the bug for you
[11:56] <davmor2> ara: I wrote a bug for alpha 2
[11:56] <ara> davmor2, dholbach wrote one as well
[11:57] <Daviey> davmor2: writing bugs is bad, bad, bad
[11:58]  * davmor2 slaps Daviey and reminds him without it you wouldn't know what to fix :P
[12:05] <ara> dpm, the reason why Catalan and, in my case, Spanish alternate is in English, is because the spanish mirror is down, and those languages are not in the CDs
[12:05] <ara> dpm, it is not related to the ubiquity bug
[12:07] <ara> persia, still around?
[12:09] <persia> What's up?
[12:13] <persia> Well, I was headed off for a bit, and won't be held by a pending response.  I'll read backscroll.
[12:15] <dpm> ara, yeah, I've had some problems with the main es mirror lately, thanks for the update
[12:16] <ara> persia, don't worry I sorted it out
[12:17] <ara> dpm, I thought the Spanish lang packs were in the alt cd, as the blueprint says, but apparently, they are not
[12:17] <ara> persia, if there are at least 8 Spanish mirrors, why is that es.archive fails all the time? do you know the logic behind it?
[12:21] <dpm> ara, they might have been taken out lately due to space. The final list of languages in the CD is not stable until around beta time, IIRC. I'll update the info on the blueprint
[12:22] <ara> dpm, thanks
[12:22] <davmor2> ara: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/520438
[12:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520438 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Update notifier is triggered on livecd saying the is a disc with updates (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[12:22] <davmor2> found it at last :)
[12:24] <ara> davmor2, I will try to find the other one to mark it as duplicated
[12:25] <dpm> ara, it seems that there are no language packs at all on the alternate CD right now, only English
[12:25] <ara> dpm, is that expected?
[12:25] <ara> davmor2, bug 520868
[12:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520868 in casper (Ubuntu) "jockey and update-manager start in live session (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520868
[12:25] <ara> davmor2, can you mark yours as duplicated of this one? I know that yours is older, but this one has 3 metoos and it is confirmed
[12:27] <dpm> ara, I guess the langpacks on the alternate CD might have been taken out due to space constraints and will be put back in later, but I'm not too familiar with the alternate CD, pitti, do you think this could be the case?
[12:29] <davmor2> ara: I wouldn't mind but you'd think mr holbach would know not to put 2 conditions on one bug ;)
[12:37] <abe3k> hello
[12:39] <davmor2> abe3k: hello
[12:43] <ara> hello abe3k
[12:43]  * ara -> lunch
[13:01] <ttx> testing server/amd64/UEC cluster
[13:05] <thekorn> testing UNE live session
[13:07] <thekorn> waht is the name of the package which provides the very first sreen when you boot from a cd? (where you can choose "Try Ubuntu ... without installing", "test memory", ...)
[13:07] <ttx> testing server/amd64/UEC node
[13:15] <ttx> testing server/amd64/UEC instance run
[13:17] <pitti> dpm: correct, we just have English on the alternates right now
[13:40] <dpm> ok, thanks pitti
[13:46] <thekorn> which netbook-launcher is the default in current UNE?
[13:46] <thekorn> the old one, or the new -efl (or whatever) ?
[13:47] <ara> efl?
[13:49] <thekorn> ara, I have netbook-launcher and netbook-launcher-efl, both available in the live session, netbook-launcher is running
[13:50] <thekorn> and I thought I've read in a blogpost that -efl will replace the old one, but I might be wrong
[13:50] <thekorn> oh, maybe I mixed it with ARM devices
[13:53] <ara> maybe plars knows better?
[13:53] <ara> or as at  #ubuntu-desktop
[13:53] <ara> ask, even
[13:57] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:58] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[13:58] <davmor2> ara: did you have any issue on live with there being no way to complete the shutdown?
[13:59] <ara> davmor2, haven't tried
[14:06] <ara> primes2h1, if the laptop testing project is dead, my suggestion is: 1) Moving old content to LaptopTestingProject/Old 2) Setting up a new LaptopTestingProject saying: if you are looking to the Canonical project, this was finished around 2005. You can check the old documentation at.... A new community driven project has been created, and you can check the documentation at... (and point to yours)
[14:08] <primes2h1> ara: That's really nice. You mean LaptopTestingTeam->LaptopTestingTeam/Old  page I think. I'll do it ASAP.
[14:16] <plars> thebwt: depends which arch you are running on
[14:17] <ara> thekorn, ^
[14:17] <plars> thebwt: sorry, misfire
[14:17] <plars> thekorn: for armel, it uses the 2d efl launcher, x86 uses the 3d (clutter based) launcher
[14:18] <thekorn> plars, already asked the question in -desktop, I now know it depends on the 2d/3d hardware
[14:18] <thekorn> plars, thanks for your answer anyway
[14:54] <thekorn> ara, is there any criteria for marking a test as "passed" or "failed", is it the number/importance of reported/linked bugs, or is it just personal feeling
[14:55] <ara> thekorn, normally, failed means that you couldn't install the system: partman failed, grub failed, things like that
[14:57] <thekorn> ah ok, so when runnin a live test, like http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/UNR-Live and all testcases work fine, "passed" is the right one to choose
[14:58] <thekorn> no matter how many "unrelated" bugs I found during the tests
[15:03] <thekorn> ara, let's say I would like to add a "Install (manual partitioning)" testcase to UNE, what is the procedure?
[15:04] <ara> thekorn, that depends on the release team, if they want to add them
[15:04] <ara> thekorn, take into account that if the are there, they need to be covered
[15:06] <ara> talk to slangasek, to see if he thinks it is worth adding such a case
[15:14] <thekorn> ara, I thought about this a bit, and I don't think it makes sense at all, as there is nothing UNE specific, this will all be covered by the reletad ubuntu tests
[16:26] <pitti> ANNOUNCE
[16:26] <pitti> just to let you know, we got some ubiquity fixes
[16:27] <pitti> I'm goign to rebuild all ubuntu/kubunt/netbook images in half an hour
[16:27] <pitti> alternates and servers will stay for now
[16:28] <davmor2> pitti: :)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> yay
[16:28] <davmor2> just as I get through looking at this first test :)
[16:29] <pitti> well, those were important, to catch the bugs in the first place :)
[16:29]  * pitti hugs the testing rockers
[16:29] <charlie-tca> I got a bad connection today. just getting them rsynced here
[16:30] <pitti> that's fine, the next set should just drop 40 MB off the netbook CD and get a new ubiquity
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Are you rebuilding xubuntu too?
[16:31] <pitti> charlie-tca: I planned to, shouldn't I?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:32] <pitti> I planned rebuilds across the board
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:36] <ara> davmor2, can you test something quickly on real HW?
[16:36] <davmor2> go on
[16:37] <ara> davmor2, kubuntu desktop, clicking on "Install Kubuntu" (without passing by the live env)
[16:37] <ara> davmor2, does it start correctly for you?
[16:38] <davmor2> might take a minute or 2
[16:43] <davmor2> ara: running now
[16:45] <ara> davmor2, at it starts ubiquity correctly?
[16:46] <davmor2> ara: nope blank screen after the plymouth logo disappears
[16:48] <ara> davmor2, same thing...
[16:49] <davmor2> bug 526486
[16:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 526486 in casper (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity not starting in kubuntu install only mode (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526486
[16:49] <davmor2> from Riddell
[16:50] <ara> davmor2, okeeey
[17:47] <davmor2> bladernr_: beard = external memory storage device,  bigger the beard the more memory ;)
[17:47] <davmor2> I'm sure cr3 will concur
[17:49] <fader_> davmor2: But it's only useful for remembering what you ate recently
[17:52] <bladernr_> davmor2:  hah! indeed. also a survival tool (prevents starvation)
[18:05] <fader_> hggdh: Looks like the desktop images are being rebuilt right now, so it's probably worth waiting a little while to try out the amd64 image
[18:05] <fader_> hggdh: Unless you were still having problems with ubuntu-server
[18:17] <hggdh> fader_: I will wait a bit
[18:17] <hggdh> thank you
[19:05] <persia> ara: Sorry for the delay: I don't know much about the mirrors,; but usually ask in #ubuntu-mirrors: it may be that one of them is having an issue that needs that sysadmin to help.
[19:57] <fader_> hggdh: FYI, live image of amd64 booted just fine for me in KVM.  Doing an install now.
[19:58] <hggdh> fader_: hum. weird (or it is personal, Murphy kicking me)
[19:59] <fader_> hggdh: There is an init script that says "while (username=='hggdh') { ; }"
[20:03] <hggdh> there you go ;-)
[20:06] <charlie-tca> hmmm, my monitor still shuts off instead of using plymouth
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I did an encrypted install, and have to type with the monitor off, to input the passphrase!
[20:21] <alex-weej> anyone here do mac testing?
[20:51] <fader_> alex-weej: What sort of mac testing?
[20:51] <alex-weej> extensive checking of regressions etc.
[20:51] <alex-weej> i don't know anyone with a mac where everything works
[20:51] <alex-weej> and i know a lot of people with macs!
[20:52] <alex-weej> so i'm thinking we're somewhat underrepresented in terms of testing
[20:53] <persia> alex-weej: Do you mean powerpc, or just Apple-branded?
[20:54] <alex-weej> intel macs
[20:55] <persia> Except for use of EFI, those ought be the same, and one usually doesn't notice the EFI, so I think you're mostly looking at kernel and video driver bugs.
[20:55] <persia> My recommendation would be to test and file the bugs.  regular milestone testing isn't going to help for that class of issue.
[20:56] <persia> So it's better to run a rolling-upgade install, and report lots of new bugs whenever there is an X or kernel update.
[20:56] <persia> And maybe perform an install once in a while, but that's unlikely to break.
[21:02] <fader_> hggdh: amd64 boots fine after install in kvm for me
[21:02] <hggdh> dammit
[21:02] <hggdh> fader_: you ran it via testdrive?
[21:03] <fader_> hggdh: No, I ran it by installing manually from an ISO I zsync'd just a bit ago
[21:03] <fader_> But the effect *should* be the same, I think
[21:03] <hggdh> Yeah. I will try it again (but now off testdrive)
[22:48] <fader_> Anybody having problems running ubiquity directly from the boot menu on the CD?
[22:49] <fader_> mythbuntu is going to the live environment when I choose 'install mythbuntu'
[22:52] <fader_> Ah, nevermind -- I/O error on my USB drive of CD images :(
[22:53] <fader_> Lousy hardware... software would be much better if it didn't have to interact with hardware
[23:16]  * stgraber updated the list of tests for Edubuntu (we only have a GUI installer now)
[23:32] <rr73> i am/was testing xubuntu 386 desktop install and the software center bug 523341 came up and it says it was fixed yesterday
[23:32] <rr73> testing on hardware
[23:36] <fader_> rr73: It's possible that the fix has been released but didn't make it into the image yet
[23:37] <fader_> In which case I'd expect it to be fixed in tomorrow's daily build
[23:37] <fader_> But I'm just guessing
[23:37] <rr73> i'm asking cause they just rebuilt the xubuntu's images today
[23:39] <yotux> What is the best way to help with testing I noticed alpha three comes out tomorrow
[23:39] <fader_> rr73: Can you verify that you're using >= 1.1.13 of the software center?
[23:39] <rr73> fader_, gimme a sec
[23:40] <rr73> eeeeerrrrrrrr it says .12 not .13
[23:40] <rr73> but that's what the image gave me, so don't worry about it then?
[23:41] <fader_> rr73: Yep, it looks like .13 didn't make it into the daily build today
[23:41] <fader_> So I wouldn't worry about it; the fix should be in a new daily build soon
[23:41] <rr73> yup, that's what slangasek just said
[23:42] <fader_> yotux: Right now we're still doing ISO testing.  If you're interested in helping test images for alpha 3, that would be great!
[23:42] <rr73> ty fader_
[23:42] <fader_> rr73: No problem; thanks for testing! :D
[23:42] <fader_> yotux: If you want to do ISO testing you'll need to create an account on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[23:43] <fader_> There's more info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[23:43] <fader_> yotux: Please also feel free to join the QA mailing list, where we discuss what to test and how to test it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa
[23:44] <yotux> faber_  is this a high volume list I assume
[23:44] <yotux> when do the ISO's drop ?
[23:46] <fader_> yotux: No, it's not particularly high volume
[23:46] <fader_> The ISOs are posted now, and are candidates for Alpha 3 images
[23:46] <fader_> So they desperately need testing :)
[23:49] <yotux> ok I will read about rsyncing and then give it a try
[23:49] <rr73> or zsync
[23:51] <fader_> yotux: Feel free to ask here if you have any questions
[23:58] <yotux> fader_ I want to do a Alt CD install test what is the most helpful for the group  was thinking "AlternateEncryptedLvm"
[23:59] <fader_> yotux: Looks good; I don't see any results for that test case yet